1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Hi'm George and Ore and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast, a imparanormal podcast network. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Sander Champlain. Hi. I'm Sanders Samplain. For almost twenty five years, 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: I've been on a journey to prove the existence of 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: life after death. On each episode will discuss the reasons 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: we now know that our loved ones have survived physical 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: death and so will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: How are you doing today? Have you had a tough day? 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Have you had a good day. It seems like there's 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: so much going on in the world, and there's so 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: much happening within our lives. We can hardly catch our breath. 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: But there is a big picture, and I believe through 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: all of these episodes and our journey erniees as human beings, 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: we get to see that bigger picture. And my personal 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: avenue to share is the afterlife and it's the thing 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: that brings me joy witnessing so many things that I 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: see from week to week on our online courses and 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: our Sunday gatherings. It helps me to remember that there 23 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: is a big picture. I want to give you a 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: little insight into the mind of Sandra Champlain, who never 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: thought I'd be here today and have you listening to me. 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: You know, I was somebody who had a huge fear 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: of dying, and you've heard, maybe in my earlier episodes, 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: my quest to find evidence of the afterlife. But I 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: still deal with my own pain, my own suffering, my 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: own negative thoughts. I mean, it's all part of the 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: deal on being human. I think many years ago, after 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: I collected so much information about the afterlife and I 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: really was at peace with myself. I knew that I 34 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: wanted to share this information and have it readily available 35 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: to people. But we all have this thing called the ego, 36 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: and that's that voice that's never our champion. It's always 37 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: saying negative things. And I truly thought I wasn't smart 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: enough to write a book. Who would listen to me? 39 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm no scholar, and so everything was put on hold 40 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: for some time. Some day and I never thought that 41 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: day would happen, and to be honest with you, I 42 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: didn't care if that day happened, because living my life, 43 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: it was always very important what people thought. And once 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: we start talking about something like life after death, we 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: don't want people to think we're weird. We don't want 46 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: to be outcast by our family and friends. So I 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: put everything on hold for some day. Fast forward till 48 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: two thousand ten and my dad gets diagnosed with cancer 49 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: and several months later he ends up dying, and I 50 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: went through the toughest time of my life, really not 51 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: only losing somebody that I loved dearly, but you may 52 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: have a family like my family, who fought before Dad's death. 53 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: After he died, and it came out of the blue, 54 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: this real strange behavior from all of us, the anger, 55 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: the word spoken that we would have never spoken before, 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: and a very loving family turned into monsters. I would say, greedy, ugly, 57 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: and myself included. I couldn't see my actions from anybody 58 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: else's point of view other than my own, and I 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: was quick to judge other people in my life. It 60 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: wasn't pretty. I do think that some of the toughest 61 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: times really helps us with growth of our soul and 62 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: also helps us to be there for other people. Little 63 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: did I know that my journey into grief, with all 64 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: the evidence that I had come up with about the afterlife, 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: would have me start digging as to why rational people 66 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: behaved in such strange and mean ways over the death 67 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: of a loved one. And I realized that the more 68 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: we love, the more we grieve, and that anger in 69 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: that miscommunications and all those things are all part of 70 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: that process. The girl who wasn't going to share anything 71 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: about the afterlife started feeling that if some of this 72 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: information about grief could be shared, it would not only 73 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: help people understand the grieving process, but it would help 74 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: relationships stay whole. As you may know, I have a 75 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: book called We Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of Life 76 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: after Death, and there are several people that have told 77 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: me that they make their siblings read the Grief chapter 78 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: chapter ten around the time they know their parents is 79 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: going to pass away. They can predict the probable behavior 80 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: that they will do and to be gentle with themselves 81 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: and to be gentle with the people in their lives. 82 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: That we all handle grief a different way. So it's 83 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: very interesting, and since the book came out and so 84 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: many of the other things that I've done, the emails 85 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: that I've gotten that have helped people not take their 86 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: own lives, is well pretty humbling to me. We as 87 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: human beings, never know the pain and agony that we're 88 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: going through may lead to making that difference, that shift 89 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: with someone else in their life or someone you might meet. 90 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: I have found that I've sat next to people on 91 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: an airplane who are just coming from a funeral, and 92 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: because of the experience I have, the loss I've had, 93 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: the wisdom I've gained, I have been the right person 94 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: to be sitting next to them to give them some 95 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: words of comfort. There's even been people scared of dying, 96 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: and very courageously I've been able to share some of 97 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: the different things that have happened on my journey of 98 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: why I believe in the afterlife. I think, if you 99 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: want to call it God, the universe, whoever that higher 100 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: power is, and it could be the power within our 101 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: own soul before we get here, that we plan out 102 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: a journey for ourselves. And I'm not saying that everything 103 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: happens for a reason. I don't. I do think that 104 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: things that happen we can learn from them, and certainly 105 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: our souls can grow. But I do believe that we 106 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: come into this earth with things that we want to do, 107 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 1: things we want to accomplish, things we want to learn. 108 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: And has it happened to you that similar things keep 109 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: showing up in your life, or similar kinds of people 110 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: keep showing up in your life, and it's almost like 111 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: the universe is knocking at your door that this is 112 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: something you need to pay attention to, This is something 113 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: you need to learn. Even you might have something that 114 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: you're dealing with that's been with you all of your life, 115 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: some fear that you've had, or some struggle that you've 116 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: had that's been your constant companion, and you may be 117 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: wishing for a solution, but there may be something to 118 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: learn from that. There may be something that you learn, 119 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: and it might be self love, it might be compassion 120 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: towards yourself, might be compassion to others. But it may 121 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,559 Speaker 1: all be part of the process. I never thought i'd 122 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: be where I am today. I never thought I'd have 123 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: a show like this, not in a million years. I 124 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: was never going to tell people about this journey into 125 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: the afterlife. But if you look back on some of 126 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: the basic things that have happened to me, everything has 127 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: happened so that I am here today. It's weird, it 128 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: really is. So looking back, I remember the critical point 129 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: where I thought, or I knew, that I can make 130 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: a difference with others and it's time for me to 131 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: not be afraid and to open my mouth. And that 132 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: point might come to you, it may not, But for me, 133 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: I remember that I kept meeting people who had a 134 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: loved one who had died, and we're suffering from deep grief. 135 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: And I knew in my heart if I opened my 136 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: mouth and I could share the information, I knew that 137 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: it would really help people. But back then I was 138 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: too afraid, too afraid, Oh my gosh, I had so 139 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: much fear, so I kept my mouth shut. But it 140 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: just kept happening, and one day I couldn't stand my 141 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: own thoughts. I had so many guilty thoughts that, oh 142 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: my gosh, I have so much good information about the 143 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: afterlife and how to help people through grief, and I'm 144 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: keeping my mouth shut. I just wanted to get away, 145 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: so I took myself to the movies, and I picked 146 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: a movie that was said to be a comedy. That's 147 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm going to watch something take 148 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: my mind off my thoughts and enjoy. The movie that 149 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: I had picked was a real story about a young 150 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: man who got cancer and showed him getting chemotherapy, showed 151 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: the friends that he had had met during chemotherapy, dying 152 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: and all the grief that was felt. There were so 153 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: many tears that I shed in that comedy. I left 154 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: that movie theater and I sat in my car. I 155 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: pulled out my iPhone, and in those days, I was 156 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: new to the cell phone technology, but I knew it 157 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: had a camera. I sat in my car with the 158 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: camera face to me, and I gave what felt like 159 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: an apology to the world, and it was twenty minutes 160 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: of me looking into the camera and talking about my journey. 161 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: One day, there was a friend that I knew whose 162 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: father had died, and I said, I have a video. 163 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 1: I'll send it to you if you promised not to 164 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: show anyone. She wrote me back, and she says, Sandra, 165 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: it made such a difference in my life. And then 166 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: not too much longer, she says, you know what, I 167 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: have a friend who has a family member who died. 168 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: Can I send him your video? I says, yes, oh yes, 169 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: but make sure they don't share it with anyone else 170 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: because my ego involved and my hair is all wild, 171 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: crying makeup all over the place. It's not my best look. 172 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: The next thing, you know, her friend told two friends 173 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: and it just blew up. I decided to make the 174 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: video publicly available and it still is to this day. 175 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: In a very short period of time, I see something 176 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: on the Internet that if you want to write a book, 177 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: come to the seminar. I decided to take the seminar. 178 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: I meet a nice man who says, oh, why are 179 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: you here? And I told him very courageously about my 180 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: journey and what I wanted to do. Come to find 181 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: out he was a publisher. From there, he asked me 182 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: to put some of my feelings into words. He shared 183 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: my words with someone he knew that had just months 184 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: to live, and it made this gentleman feel like he 185 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: would be just fine when he died, that there's a 186 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: bigger picture. That publisher asked me to write a book. 187 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: That book is called We Don't Die, a skeptics discovery 188 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: of life after death. As the story goes, I got 189 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: a call from Coast to coast a m and that 190 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: one night that I shared about my book. That book 191 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: hit number one on Amazon, and I started getting several 192 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: thousand emails from people on the difference that it made. 193 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: So here's a little secret for you, because I'm not 194 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: a real sales e kind of person. Sure, if you 195 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: want to pick up the book on Amazon, you can, 196 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: But on my website, we Don't Die dot com, there 197 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: is a link right at the top that's his book links. 198 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: If you click on that, and I do ask for 199 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: your name and your email, make sure you're a real person. 200 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: Not only is there a free PDF copy of the book, 201 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: but within the book there are so many different links 202 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: that relate to the different chapters, so many different videos, 203 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: even that first video of myself in the car looking 204 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: at the camera you can see there. I love that 205 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: you're taking the time to listen to this and that 206 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: you're trusting that there will be some good information, good 207 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: information about the afterlife and also living life. But I 208 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,359 Speaker 1: do feel strongly that we will all experience grief someday, 209 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: So how to navigate that road and not have your 210 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: relationships come apart is very very important to me as well. 211 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: When we come back from the break, we'll hear from 212 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Boisson was the co founder of an organization called 213 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Helping Parents Heal. 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So check it out. You've got 240 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: nothing to lose Paranormal Date dot Com. Hi, this is 241 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: George Nori and you're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 242 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: with Sandra Champlain on the new ye hearten Coast to 243 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: Coast Day im Paranormal podcast Network and don't forget. You 244 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: can listen to Shades of the Afterlife on the Heart 245 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find your favorite shows. 246 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Shamplain. 247 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: Between recording segments one and segments two of the show today, 248 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: I got the opportunity to do something fantastic. I attended 249 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: our We Don't Die Sunday gathering. It is the best 250 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: nondenominational church service online I have ever attended. My friends 251 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: and I created it in March of just after lockdown 252 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: had happened for all of us who had to spend 253 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: time at home from the coronavirus. We always wanted to 254 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: have some kind of a spiritual service, but who knew 255 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: how to start one. Well, when lockdown happened, we decided 256 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: to just go for it. Well, a few of my 257 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: friends are mediums, so that means not only is their 258 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: music a little bit of prayer reading some inspiration, but 259 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: towards the end, we have one or two people do 260 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: medium readings on our online congregation. So just today we 261 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: had a beautiful, beautiful gathering. But I saw two mediums 262 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: work and they brought through loved ones with such detail, 263 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: and you could hear it in the recipient's voice how 264 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: happy they were to hear from their loved one in 265 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: the afterlife. Really special evidential mediumship is a great way 266 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: to believe in the afterlife. You might have heard me 267 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: say it before, but mediums can be a dime a dozen, 268 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: and just because they hold the name medium doesn't mean 269 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: that they're good. You really want to have someone that 270 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: is recommended by others, that doesn't charge a lot of money. 271 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: What I mean by that is seventy five dollars for 272 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: a half hour reading, maybe a little bit more. That's okay, 273 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hundred and seventy five for an hour, 274 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: that would be max. Some of these people out there 275 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: charging for an hour and it's awful, just awful. And 276 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: I do believe that there are great me d ms, 277 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: but you do not need to go to someone who's 278 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: charging lots and lots of money. Also, you want to 279 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: make sure they have a code of ethics. If in 280 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: the first ten minutes you're not feeling any thing, you're 281 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: not feeling, you're getting good evidence the medium reading should 282 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: come to a close and nobody pays to make sure 283 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: they have that code of ethics before you book them. 284 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: And then when you work with them, just say yes, no, 285 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: or I don't know. Please let the medium give you 286 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: the information so you're not left with did I give 287 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: that information? Our loved ones are real, they're real people, 288 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: and I just had the profound privilege of watching too 289 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: great medium's work and everybody in the audience could feel 290 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: the love from the spirit world. If you'd like to 291 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: join us at one of the upcoming Sunday gatherings, you 292 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: can go to We Don't Die dot com or Sanders 293 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: Champlain dot com and there's a tab there for free 294 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: Sunday gathering and just get the zoom link and come 295 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: on in. Moving on, I'd like to introduce you to 296 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Bosam, who is the president and co founder of 297 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: a global nonprofit organization that you might not know about. 298 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: It's called Helping Parents Heal. They've got the website Helping 299 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: Parents Heal dot org. You may be somebody listening who 300 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: has a child who has passed into the unseen world. 301 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: Two of Elizabeth's children have transitioned. I had recorded this 302 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: interview with her earlier, but I do think it's important 303 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: because Helping Parents Heal not only is support for grieving parents, 304 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: but they are one of the few organizations that acknowledge 305 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: the reality of the afterlife. So tying in the afterlife 306 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: with grief support is wonderful. Let's listen in to this 307 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: great conversation I had and you can hear for yourself 308 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: her evidence of life after death. I feel very, very 309 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: fortunate because I have two beautiful daughters who are here 310 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: right now with me. So I have a twenty six 311 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: year old daughter at Eix and a twenty four year 312 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: old daughter Christine, and then I have um two children 313 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: in spirit. So I have Chelsea who passed in and 314 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: she was only two days old. I had been in 315 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: the hospital for a very long time on an ivy 316 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: trying to keep the contractions from happening. And Um, she 317 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: finally was born in France and only survived for two days. 318 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: And then Morgan was born um In before her in 319 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: so I was thrilled to be able to go home 320 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: to him. Um, he actually saved my life when Chelsea 321 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: passed um Alix and Christine weren't born yet. When he 322 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: was twenty years old, he went on a trip with 323 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of other students. They were all at the 324 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: University of Arizona. He had been studying in China and Nanjing. 325 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: And they went to Tibet on a trip and there 326 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: were thirteen of the um and they went up in 327 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: altitude too quickly. They landed in Larsa, and then they 328 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: went up way too quickly. They arrived at the base 329 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: camp of Mount Everest. All of them were sick on 330 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: the bus going up the mountain. A lot of them 331 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: were throwing up. They were actually urinating on themselves as well, 332 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: because that's a sign, that's something that symptom of altitude thickness, 333 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: but nobody really knew about altitude thickness before this happened, 334 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: and so Um Morging was helping the other kids when 335 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: they were throwing up. Um. The Chinese tour guide was 336 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: pushing them up the mountain, and they didn't have any 337 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: other adults with them. They were supposed to have two 338 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: professors that went on that trip, and they didn't put 339 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: When they got to the camp, Morgan was feeling loozy, 340 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: um and sick, and he went to bed early after 341 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: eating dinner, and he took a night quell, and throughout 342 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: the night he kept getting up and wandering around and 343 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: calling people the wrong names, and everyone thought it was 344 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: because he was sleepy, and he went back to bed. 345 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: And in the morning when they were supposed to get 346 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: up and go back down the mountain, UH, they couldn't 347 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: wake Morgan up. And Morgan is he was six ft 348 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: six and two eighty pounds, so it was no small 349 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: task to try to get him out to the bus. UM. 350 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: They called one of the moms who's a doctor, and 351 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: found out that they had to get him down in 352 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: altitude as quickly as possible, floated him on the bus. UH. 353 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: They were going down the mountain and he stopped breathing, 354 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: and so when that happened, they got him off the 355 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: bus again to do CPR on him, and that was 356 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: when I found out from the leader of the program 357 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: that there was a problem. So I got the number 358 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: of his roommate and I was able to call his roommate, Colin, 359 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: and Colin was kind enough to tell me, miss bus 360 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: home and it doesn't look good. I don't think he's 361 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: going to survive. So I asked him to excuse me 362 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: the phone up to his ear, and when he did, 363 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: I told him that we loved him, that we were 364 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: proud of him, and not to be afraid. And right 365 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: when I did that, I felt him hugged me. And 366 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: I was in Cave Creek, Arizona. I was sitting beside 367 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: my husband Um, who was on his computer, and we 368 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: were very concerned, but my husband had no idea that 369 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: this had happened. But I truly felt him hugged me. 370 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: And I'd never even thought about the afterlife at the time, 371 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: but I knew at that moment that love lives forever, 372 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: and I knew that Morgan was with us. And as 373 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I was so calm that my 374 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: husband said, let me speak to him, Morgan, and I said, no, um, honey, 375 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but he's gone. And he was absolutely devastated. 376 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: Obviously I was as well, but I knew he was 377 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: with us. So because of this happening, and because of 378 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: the fact that I didn't see any other groups like 379 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: this that were available, All of the other bereavement groups 380 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: that existed for parents at the time didn't talk about 381 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: the signs that we got from our kids, I a 382 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: week later decided to start this Facebook group, Parents United 383 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: and Loss that you spoke up. I feel very, very 384 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: grateful because that happened. And then something even more amazing 385 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: happened with Suzanne Wilson almost immediately after. Can I ask you, Elizabeth, 386 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: back in those days, were you into yoga? Well, yes, 387 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I had just come back from yoga. 388 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: I had just been practicing yoga, and I was about 389 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: to go for my teacher certificate and start that very 390 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: soon after. I also throughout my life when I lived 391 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: in the I lived in India for five years when 392 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: I was very young, and I did a lot of 393 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: yoga at that time and continued to do yoga as 394 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: I got older, and so I truly believe that one 395 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: of the reasons that I was able to feel Morgan 396 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: hugged me was because of the fact that I was 397 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: so involved in yoga at the time. That's exactly why 398 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: I asked that question, because I remember when my dad died, 399 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't practiced in quieting my mind or being in 400 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: the present moment, and there was a lot of stress, 401 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: a lot of sibling fighting, and a bunch of stuff happening, 402 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: so I wasn't present to anything other than grief and anger. 403 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: I think that the fact that Chelsea had already transitioned 404 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: truly helped for me to be ready to get that 405 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: hug from Morgan. And not only that, but I've been 406 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 1: told by a psychic that Chelsea told her that she 407 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: had to transition because of the fact that she had 408 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: been working with me all along preparing helping parents heel, 409 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: but also so that she could take Morgan's hand as 410 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: soon as he transition and get him back to me 411 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: to hug me. So I feel incredibly grateful about that. 412 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: And this is something that I actually just found out 413 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: this year from Isabella Johnson, who's incredibly She's an incredibly 414 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: gifted psychic medium, and I don't ever want anyone to 415 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: have to experience the passing of two children. But I 416 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: think that that was the reason that I was so 417 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: prepared to be able to have that happened to me immediately. 418 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I remember an interview I had with 419 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: Dr Mary Neil, who had a near death experience, and 420 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: while she had that near death experience, she actually got 421 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: to see the future. And I believe part of it 422 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: was her son passing yes, yes, and yeah, and the 423 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: whole chain of events that would come from that. And 424 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: so I found it very interesting that Chelsea a lume 425 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: that was all lined up for it all to happen 426 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: the way it did. Because you and Mark Ireland creating 427 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: Helping Parents heal is making such an impact with so 428 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: many people globally through so many ways, and I can't 429 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: help but even notice in my life, I wouldn't be 430 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing had I not had severe grief. 431 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: Those of us that are out there in different ways 432 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: making a difference comes from our own grief, and so 433 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: maybe part of the big plan. Oh, it definitely is. 434 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: And I truly believe in collateral beauty since the movie 435 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: talks about obviously with Will Smith, I I just think 436 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: that we get so much magic that comes back to 437 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: us from our kids and from our loved ones when 438 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: they pass, and we just need to be able to 439 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: open our hearts and open our lives to that magic. 440 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a moment with Elizabeth Boisson, 441 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: co founder of Helping Parents Healed dot org. You're listening 442 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio 443 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: and Coast Coast a M paranormal podcast network. 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I'm 470 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: Sander Champlain and we're with Elizabeth Boissan, the co founder 471 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: of Helping Parents Heal dot org. Unfortunately, when your father 472 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,239 Speaker 1: passed and you had all of these things going on 473 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: with your family, it's impossible to be able to open 474 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: yourself to all of the signs and the validations and 475 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: the help that they're giving us. Because they're not just 476 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: sending us signs, they're also helping us with our lives, 477 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: and Margan has helped his sisters in incredible ways that 478 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: that just couldn't I mean, if I told you the stories, 479 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: you probably would just be blown away by the things 480 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: that he's done, carrying them home at night and other 481 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: things like that. But I think that as soon as 482 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: we are able to be and which may take a while, 483 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: and everybody's grief path is completely different, and it's fine 484 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: to be able to take as much time as we want, 485 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: the signs never stop. And for instance, I talked to 486 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: Morgan throughout the day all the time. It's good that 487 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: we now have blue tubs so that when I'm talking 488 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: in the car, people don't think I'm crazy. But anyway, yes, 489 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: I feel very very fortunate if that happened to me, 490 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: and I feel grateful for helping parents heal. But it 491 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with me or with Mark Ireland. 492 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: It has everything to do with our kids. They're the 493 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: ones who pushed us to do this, and they're the 494 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: ones who are helping us every day as we work 495 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: to help other parents. I definitely want to hear the 496 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: Suzanne Wilson's story, but then I wouldn't mind a story 497 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: about Morgan helping your daughters because that would be great, 498 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: okay stories that as well. Um right after this happened, 499 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't go back to the yoga studio because as 500 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: I just didn't feel like I could. Actually I thought 501 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: I might be able to do the practice, but I 502 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: didn't think that I could last through shivasana. Having Morgan 503 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: passed like that, in spite of the fact that I 504 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: knew that he was with me, it was incredibly hard, 505 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: the physical loss. And I know that everyone who has 506 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: had experienced the passing of a child understands this. You 507 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: feel like you have a rock right in the center 508 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: of your chest, and that rock doesn't go away until 509 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: you're able to start to learn how to breathe again. 510 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: It's very difficult. But Suzanne Wilson happened to go to 511 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: this yoga studio to see about venting a space to 512 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: give readings, and it was such a strange situation set 513 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: up by spirit obviously, because Andy, who was the owner 514 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: of the yoga studio, didn't believe in psychic medium She 515 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: didn't believe in any of that. And it turned out 516 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: that Suzanne went there and Angie was there to meet her, 517 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: and she said to her, well, how do I test you. 518 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: How do I find out if you really are a 519 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: medium or not? And Suzanne said, well, do you have 520 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: a picture for me to read? And I had sent 521 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: out my Christmas cards very early that year. I actually 522 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: sent them the day or maybe two days after working passed. 523 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: And it was a picture of the three kids, and 524 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: it was taken in France right before he went to China. 525 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: And that's all that there was on the front of 526 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: the Christmas card and or the holiday card. And so 527 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: when Suzanne saw it, she said, I see him on 528 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 1: his back on a mountain. I see a black box 529 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: up to his ear. He's saying I love you back 530 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 1: to his mom. And he said that he is a 531 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: band of three brothers. There were two other roommates in 532 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: Nanjing with him, and they both stayed in Lasa until 533 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: my husband was able to get there to be able 534 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: to pick up Morgan. Unfortunately, um, you need a visa 535 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: to get into Lassa, so it took him six days 536 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: to get there, and then he had to wait there 537 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: to be able to bring Morgan back. And the two 538 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: boys waited with Morgan and Lass up although they were 539 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: suffering from altitude sickness as well. And then she saw 540 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: him shouting from a mountaintop through a megaphone, I'm okay. 541 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: And it's so funny because the megaphone that he used 542 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: as a cheerleader at the University of Arizona was part 543 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: of his service when we did his service, it's a 544 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: huge megaphone. He was a u of a cheerleader, so 545 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: that that was very significant. Any other things that happened, 546 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: For instance, she drew a rock for Angie, and Angie 547 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: was writing all of this down, but she didn't know 548 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: the story, so she didn't know if this was true 549 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: or not. But she drew this rock and she said 550 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: that we were going to have this rock brought to us, 551 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: and it was from the place that Morgan passed. And 552 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: Colin at Christmas time brought us that exact rock that 553 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: was broken in half and it showed the break in 554 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: the rock. So that was amazing. So anyway, I had 555 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 1: never had a reading with a psychic median before, and 556 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: Angie called me the night that Suzanne had talked to 557 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: her and she said, Elizabeth, I don't know how you 558 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: feel about this, but I had this interview with a 559 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: woman who'd like to rent space at Yoga Breeze and 560 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: she was telling me all these different things about Morgan, 561 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: but I don't even know if they're true. Would you 562 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: like to have lunch tomorrow? And I said, Angie, tell 563 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: me right now. If this is seven o'clock at night, now, 564 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: of course, you just tell me everything she said right now, 565 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: and everything was right. And what's so amazing about this happening, 566 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: and I found this out later, is that one of 567 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: the things that people worry a out the most is 568 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: that it's possible for a psychic medium to read a 569 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: reader while they're sitting with them. I wasn't there. Susanne 570 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: had never met me before, and so for me to 571 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: not be giving any cues as she was talking to 572 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: Angie and Angie was just writing all of this down, 573 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: it was an amazing thing for me to hear all 574 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: of this, and so I wanted to have a reading 575 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: with Susanne as quickly as possible. But it turned out 576 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: that her husband was having some health issues, and so 577 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: it wasn't possible to be able to speak to her 578 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: for for two months, and that was really really hard 579 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: for me. I was in a good place because of 580 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: the fact that I had gotten that hug from Morgan, 581 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: but I just wanted to talk to her so badly, 582 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: and I thought there might be something wrong, that she 583 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: saw something bad in the future because she wasn't able 584 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: to speak to me, which wasn't the case at all. 585 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: So anyway, we finally were able to get together in 586 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: January of two thousand and ten, and that was such 587 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: an exciting time. Actually, when we got together, one of 588 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: the first things that she did was to bring through Chelsea, 589 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: and she brought her through at the age that she 590 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: would have been at the time, and she was telling 591 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: me exactly what she looked like. That she was the 592 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: first person to meet Bargain, and there was no way 593 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: that she could have known that. So anyway, it was 594 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: it was a really exciting thing to be able to 595 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: get together with her. One of the main things that 596 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: she told me when she did the reading though, was 597 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: that I was going to be starting this group and 598 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: that it was going to be a global group very 599 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: soon after because of the kids, and so what she 600 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: said was true. I mean, I had already started the 601 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: Facebook group but had already gotten fairly big, but I 602 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: had no idea of how big it was actually going 603 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: to get. And it's very exciting to think that they're 604 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: working that hard on the other side to make sure 605 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: that all of us are being able to connect are 606 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: working hard in so many ways, Yes they are. How 607 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: about a story about Morgan helping your daughters before Well, yes, 608 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, I've never told this publicly, but it's pretty amazing, 609 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: and I think that it will help any parent who 610 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: is dealing with the issue of having a child pass 611 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: and worrying about a sibling, because it is really hard 612 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: for siblings. I think that, um, you know, for them, 613 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: they think that they have to heal us before they 614 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: can heal themselves in many cases, and so they try 615 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: so hard to suppress all of this, you know, the 616 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: feelings that they're having to make sure that their parents 617 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: are able to move through the grief and and help 618 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: them along. But they don't necessarily deal with it as 619 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: quickly or as well as as we are able to. 620 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: But anyway, I was my daughter was studying in Paris, 621 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: and she had gone to a New Year's Eve party 622 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: with her cousin and she got very sick because she 623 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: had taken some Imma trucks, which is some very strong 624 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: migraine medication before she went out, and then she also 625 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: had some champagne while she was there. And she told 626 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: her cousin that she was going to be leaving the party, which, 627 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: because of the fact that it was in an area 628 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: of Paris that was very far from where she lived, 629 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: it was kind of a dangerous thing for her to 630 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: go home feeling as badly as she did. She had 631 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: already been throwing up. She forgot to get her coat. 632 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: She had a little, tiny New Year's Eve dress on, 633 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: and it was snowing outside, which is kind of rare 634 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: in Paris, but it was that evening. She jumped into 635 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: a taxi with some people that she didn't even know 636 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: because she was trying to just get home, and part 637 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: of the way along she as she was driving, she 638 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: realized that the people that were next to her were 639 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: people that she'd never met before, so she said, I'm 640 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: getting out here. She jumped out of the taxi, and 641 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: her last memory is of looking up seeing the streets 642 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: sign realizing that she had no idea of where she was, 643 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: and seeing the snowfall in her little tiny dress. She 644 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: woke up the next day at about seven in the 645 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: ring with her two roommates shaking her and saying, we've 646 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: got to take a train to Portugal. We're leaving for 647 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: Portugal today and she has no idea of how she 648 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: got home, but they said that it's about two in 649 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: the morning. The door burst open, and the door was 650 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: still open when they woke up, and then she was 651 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: in the bed. And she has a very slight recollection 652 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: of Morgan carrying her home, and that's the only explanation 653 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: that there can be. And Morgan used to carry he 654 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: was six ft six, as I said, He used to 655 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: carry a lot of his friends home when they had 656 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: hard nights out in China and in Paris as well, 657 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: and so I can imagine Morgan doing that for her. 658 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 1: But that was something that made her realize at that instant. 659 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: And and you know, he's been with her all along, 660 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: that she has a guardian angel and that he'll be 661 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: with her whenever she needs him. She just went to 662 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: South America for three months and traveled alone to five 663 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: different countries. We were very concerned about it, but she 664 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: was very sure of herself and she knew that she 665 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: would be fine, and she was. I know she had 666 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: some difficult situations, but he always protected her. What a 667 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: brave girl. And it's interesting because I've heard so many 668 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: stories of people that were either pulled from a car 669 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: after an accident, or were drowning and felt somebody lift 670 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: them to the shore and then people said there was 671 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: nobody there. So I love those kind of stories. They 672 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: were his cheerleader. Friends have told us other stories that 673 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: have happened. One of his friends actually who was dating 674 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: another cheerleader. They were in a car and were hit 675 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: by a car that was going seventy miles an hour. 676 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: They felt Morgan pulled them out of the car. Neither 677 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: of them had to scratch and their car looks like 678 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: an accordion when it's I mean, they showed us a 679 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: picture of it. It was incredible and they knew it 680 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: was Morgan. We'll be back with more stories from Elizabeth 681 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: in just a moment. You're listening to Shades of the 682 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 683 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast Network. 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Welcome 712 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and 713 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: we are with Helping Parents Heal co founder Elizabeth Boisson 714 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: as she's telling stories of signs from her son in 715 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: the afterlife. Another story that I think it's more incredible. 716 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: And this boy who was also a cheerleader. He was 717 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: actually the mascot of the U of a team. He 718 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: is now a firefighter and he named his son after Morgan. 719 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: But he was in a house that was burning, and 720 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: he was with another friend who was a firefighter who 721 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: was pulling He had gotten into the car to put 722 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: it in neutral and get it out of the garage. 723 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: Dan was standing watching this happen, and all of a sudden, 724 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: he was pulled backwards so strongly that he was just there. 725 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: There was no one there, but he was pulled backwards 726 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: and an air conditioning unit fell right where he was standing. 727 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: And the the other firefighter in the car saw this happen, 728 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: and he said, oh my gosh, what was And Dan 729 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 1: knew it was Morgan. He could feel Morgan pulling him backwards. 730 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: So this kind of thing has happened. I I could 731 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: go through so many of his different friends who come 732 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 1: and tell me that Morgan has done the same thing 733 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: for them. So I think he's pretty busy. I think 734 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: these kids stay very busy when they when they transition, 735 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,240 Speaker 1: we have a lot of people to take care of that. Yeah, 736 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: it's it's really wonderful, and I feel so grateful and 737 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm amazed at how powerful these kids are and all 738 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: of our loved ones in spirit. They obviously I'm sure 739 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: you've heard me say this before. Maybe not, but I 740 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 1: truly believe that their home and that we are still 741 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: in school. So they're doing amazing things. They're having a blast, 742 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: they're um, they're done, they've done everything that they needed 743 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 1: to and we're still learning. We're still here for a reason, 744 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: and so we need to be able to listen to 745 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: them and figure out what we're supposed to be doing here. 746 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: I also must say that Suzanne constantly tells me that 747 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: Morgan helps her with her readings, and he's he corrals 748 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: all the kids and helps them come through. And they're 749 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 1: all such great friends. I mean, all of them know 750 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,800 Speaker 1: each other and they come together and then they bring 751 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: us together, which is so wonderful. And another boy who 752 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: whose mother lives in Charleston, South Carolina, who had a 753 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: reading with Suzanne Wilson and who Morgan brought her son through, 754 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: Brian Threw. But now they are huge friends and they 755 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 1: do so much together. And when Susanne brought him through, 756 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: she first was talking about the fact that they were 757 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: hiking in heaven. Actually she brought him through when she 758 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: was talking to Brian's mom, Jodie. So Suzanne called me 759 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: and said, oh my gosh, it was just amazing. I 760 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: had this reading today with this mom she lives in 761 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:50,320 Speaker 1: Charleston and her son who actually passed in a Mustang Um. 762 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: He was assyxiated and he took his life. Unfortunately, he 763 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: was going to visit as all. He had everything going 764 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 1: for him. And this is this is an amazing story too. 765 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: So maybe I could just tell you a little bit 766 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: about about Brian schure Um. He had three friends who 767 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: were going to go to the Gate Bowl with him 768 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 1: in a car and he had a dream, actually a 769 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: nightmare that the car flipped and that they all passed 770 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: in the car accident. So he told his friends, let's 771 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,879 Speaker 1: not go. I'm really nervous about going, and they ended 772 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: up going anyway. The car flipped and they passed. So um. 773 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,400 Speaker 1: It was very soon after this happened. I think it 774 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,760 Speaker 1: was several months later he ended up taking his own life. 775 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 1: And what's so amazing about this story is that he 776 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: was in a collector Mustang. He I think that he 777 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: had a little bit of survivor's skill. Just an amazing kid, 778 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: absolutely wonderful. Suzanne brought both of him through hiking in 779 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: Heaven and then after of that, I went down to 780 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: have a reading with Tina Powers in Tucson. And the 781 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: reason that I had it was because we had purchased 782 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: a reading for the roommate of Alis when she was 783 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: a freshman at the University of Arizona. The roommate had 784 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: a mother. Her mother had passed at the same time 785 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: that Morgan did so the year before, and she had 786 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 1: never been to thee a psychic medium. She was really 787 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 1: sad and the angel date was coming up, so we 788 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: made the appointment for the angel date one year later, 789 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: and three of her roommates went with her. They took 790 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: her in a taxi because none of the girls as 791 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,879 Speaker 1: freshman had cars yet, and Tina just loved the fact 792 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,359 Speaker 1: that all of these girls came. But Oregan came through 793 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: during the reading and he told her, you need to 794 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: give my parents a reading. So let's see. It was 795 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 1: right before Oregan his Angel date as well, so she 796 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: called me and said that she wanted to give me 797 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: a free reading. So we went down to um Tuthon, 798 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: which was just amazing to be able to meet Tina 799 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 1: and she's such a bubbly, beautiful person. And when she 800 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: was talking to us, she said, what's this about a mustang? 801 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 1: I see a horse mustang? And she said, there's this 802 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: boy that Morgan Swift. Do you know anything about a horse? 803 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about Cave Creek. We live in Cave Creek, Arizona, 804 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,320 Speaker 1: with all the horses, and I'm thinking, no, I can't 805 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: think of who would have a mustang here. And then 806 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,879 Speaker 1: I realized, oh my gosh, she has I know where 807 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: that mustang is coming from. And she said, he wants 808 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 1: you to know that he's hiking in heaven with that boy. 809 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: So it was exactly what Susanne Wilson had said about 810 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,880 Speaker 1: a week before when she called me that Brian and 811 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: Morgan were hiking in heaven. How did you meet and 812 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: create helping parents heal with Mark Ireland. Well, that was 813 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: another amazing story because when Susanne Wilson came to my 814 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,800 Speaker 1: house to do the reading, when we were finally able 815 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,959 Speaker 1: to get the appointment, she had been at an afterlife 816 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: kind of event the week before with Jamie Clark and 817 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,799 Speaker 1: with Mark Ireland, and she told my Mark Ireland, I'm 818 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: going to be meeting with a mom next week. Her 819 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: son passed on a mountain, and Mark Ireland his son 820 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: Brandon also passed on a mountain here in in Arizona 821 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: on the McDowell Mountain range of an asthma attack, so 822 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: that was kind of unusual. So he signed a book 823 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: for me, his book Full Shift Finding Where the Dead Go, 824 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: which I absolutely loved, and Suzanne gave it to me 825 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: when she came to my house. So when she left, 826 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: when I was blown away by everything that she had said, 827 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,439 Speaker 1: I looked at I looked at this book. I read 828 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: it in two days and then I called Mark to 829 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: see if we could get together, and so we started 830 00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,759 Speaker 1: talking and he was the first speaker that I had 831 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,360 Speaker 1: in January of two thousand and ten at our first meeting, 832 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: and we had about twenty five parents that came and 833 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: talked about his book. So that was how we initially 834 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 1: started started talking together. And he would help out with 835 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: meetings after that, but it took about two years before 836 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,839 Speaker 1: he came up with the idea of possibly making this 837 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: into a group that would have affiliates and other locations 838 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: as well. And boy does it ever and then we 839 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: even have some international ones. You've got a huge online group. 840 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,799 Speaker 1: Would you talk a little bit about helping parents heal 841 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: what we can find on the website, how you can 842 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: or how people can get involved. Yes, I would love 843 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: to our As I say, our website has just been revamped. 844 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 1: I feel really grateful we we kind of fundraised to 845 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,560 Speaker 1: be able to do that. We have all of our 846 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,799 Speaker 1: groups that are available there and in all of the 847 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 1: different locations throughout the United States and in Canada and 848 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: U K. And And we also have we have our 849 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,240 Speaker 1: newsletters that are archived there. The newsletter comes out every month. 850 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: You know about the online group, they are amazing Tracy Brian, 851 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 1: Elizabeth death West, as well as Ti They have meetings 852 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: many times a month with some of the most interesting 853 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 1: speakers from the afterlife community who come and do these 854 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: zoom online meetings, and we have over a hundred parents 855 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: who come to listen to them and to be able 856 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: to ask questions of them. A lot of times it 857 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: will be psychic mediums as well, if people aren't able 858 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: to find a psychic medium where they live or might 859 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,240 Speaker 1: not be able to afford one. A lot of times 860 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: they bring through lots of validations for the parents as well. 861 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: We have monthly meetings here in Phoenix, but we have 862 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: many different affiliates throughout Arizona as well. On your website 863 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,080 Speaker 1: you can see all the different affiliates. It just may 864 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 1: happen someone listening there might be a helping parents heal 865 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,240 Speaker 1: near you. And there's also been parents that have created 866 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,919 Speaker 1: these affiliate groups. Yes, as a matter of fact, all 867 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,920 Speaker 1: of the affiliate groups are run by shining white parents. 868 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: We like to call everyone. This was a term that 869 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 1: was coined by Sudan Kiasman because we don't like the 870 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: word berieved. That's not a nice word and it's really 871 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 1: depressing and and it better explains the way that we 872 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 1: are meaning that we shine because our kids are shining 873 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,839 Speaker 1: through us. So, um, the groups, even if there isn't 874 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 1: a group in the area of you know, wherever someone 875 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,160 Speaker 1: might live. A lot of times people to just decide 876 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 1: to start their own groups if they're far enough down 877 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 1: the road to be able to do so. But then 878 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,799 Speaker 1: also the online group can reach everyone because anyone with 879 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: internet service can log onto those meetings, which is really nice. 880 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 1: Oh and another source we have, I just have to 881 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,479 Speaker 1: say is the Caring Listeners. And Dr Mark Pitstick, who's 882 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: one of our board members, got them together in the 883 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: very beginning and started this group. Um but Lynda McCarthy 884 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,400 Speaker 1: is now the head of the Caring Listeners and she's amazing. 885 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:22,360 Speaker 1: And basically the Caring Listeners are available twenty four hours 886 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,880 Speaker 1: a day for anyone to call. It's completely free of charge, 887 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 1: and we have twelve of them who are available their 888 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: phone number and their email addresses on the website. So 889 00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 1: it's under the groups of Helping parenteel. If you have 890 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,479 Speaker 1: the drop down venue it it shows Caring Listeners. So 891 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 1: that's a wonderful resource. If people aren't maybe yet ready 892 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,160 Speaker 1: to go to a meeting, or if they don't have 893 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: a meeting close by they can always call someone and 894 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,160 Speaker 1: talk to them as as frequently as they need to. 895 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,440 Speaker 1: I want to thank Elizabeth for being our guests and parents. 896 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,560 Speaker 1: If you have a child who's transitioned to the other side, 897 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,720 Speaker 1: helping parents heal dot org is a great first step. 898 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,839 Speaker 1: Since I spoke with Elizabeth, they also have a fantastic 899 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,440 Speaker 1: YouTube channel with tons of videos about grief, interviews with 900 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: all kinds of afterlife experts. There's a lot. They've also 901 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:26,160 Speaker 1: started helping father's Heal, helping siblings heal, and there is 902 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:31,879 Speaker 1: close to fifteen thousand members worldwide. I want to thank 903 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: you for your time today, thank you for listening, thank 904 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 1: you for being part of this brand new community. I'd 905 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Leave your comments at I 906 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. When you search for Shades of the Afterlife, 907 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,560 Speaker 1: there's a place to comment. I'm Sandra Champlain and you 908 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,680 Speaker 1: have been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the 909 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,960 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 910 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,000 Speaker 1: And if you like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, 911 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,440 Speaker 1: if wait until you hear the next one. Thank you 912 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,919 Speaker 1: for listening to the Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 913 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: AAM Paranormal Podcast Network,