1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff give you, guys, the best independent 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: coverage that is possible. If you like what we're all about, 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: it just means the absolute world to have your support. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody, 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday. We have a great show for everybody's day. 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: But with some sad news. 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: What do we have to maakere Yeah, there is a 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: lot going on today. We're going to cover this breaking 13 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: news out of Baltimore where a major bridge collapsed after 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: being struck by a cargo ship. We'll tell you everything 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: we know about that. Sadly, there are expected casualties. Will 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: give you all of the details and some absolutely shocking 17 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: video that is coming out this morning, so we've. 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: Got that for you. 19 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: We also have the fallout after the US allowed a 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: UN Security Council vote to go through which backed sort 21 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: of cease fire. There's recriminations from these Raley side. The 22 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: US side is now going around promising that this really 23 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything at all, so we'll tell you all 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: about that. We also have a very interesting interview from 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: Donald Trump with an Israeli outlet about how he would 26 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: handle the US Israel relationship and what he thinks of 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: the way that Israel has conducted itself. Perhaps some surprising 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: comments there, very trumpy in comments. 29 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: Let's just say that. 30 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: He also had a big day in court yesterday, one 31 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: big win in terms of that massive bond amount getting 32 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: knocked down. But he also now has an official criminal 33 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: trial date on the calendar, so that is incredibly significant. 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: We also learned yesterday that Boeing CEO is going to 35 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: step down at the end of this year. It's part 36 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: of a larger leadership shakeup. We had the chance to 37 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: talk to Matt Stoller, who was tracked the Boeing fiasco 38 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: and their sort of downward spiral for years now, so 39 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: we got some really great in depth information from him. 40 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: You definitely want to stick around for that. We also 41 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: had breaking yesterday apparently Diddy Sean Combs his house in 42 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Miami and his house in California both rated by the 43 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Feds yesterday. A lot going on now. This is in 44 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: connection with a sex trafficking investigation. We have not heard 45 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: officially who is the target of that investigation, but given 46 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: all of the allegations that are out there surrounding mister Combs, 47 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: you can guess who is probably the target. 48 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: And Soccer is. 49 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: Taking a look at a new piece on podcaster Andrew Huberman, 50 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: he is not happy about the way that this turned out. 51 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: I got a lot of details for people. We'll get 52 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: into it and put my bias up front here with 53 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: pod and in the monologue he's guy's a friend, so 54 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: you know, definitely I'm biased in my presentation, but I'm 55 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: going to do my best to bring it to everybody. 56 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: All right, So we want to begin with that tragic 57 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: news out of Baltimore. Let's go ahead and put this 58 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: up on the screen, so a major thoroughfare. This is 59 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: the Francis Scott Key Bridge on six ' ninety five, 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: just outside of Baltimore, collapsing after a large cargo ship 61 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: runs into it. 62 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: If you watch this video closely, you can. 63 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: See what appears to be that ship losing power multiple times, 64 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: it looks like two times. 65 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: Before hitting this bridge. 66 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: Of course, there's going to be an investigation to find 67 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: out exactly what happened here, but this is a significant roadway. 68 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: You can also see trucks and vehicles traversing the bridge. Expectation, 69 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: as far as we know at this point is at 70 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: least seven cars fell into this frigid water. We've also 71 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: seen some reports there were potentially construction workers on this 72 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: bridge as well. They are treating it as a mass 73 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: casualty incident. Obviously a tragic, horrifying scene unfolding there. In addition, 74 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: we know this was actually the first thirty minutes of 75 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: a twenty seven day journey that this cargo ship was 76 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: just embarking upon. We can put another image up on 77 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: the screen here showing you that aftermath, as the sun 78 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: is just beginning to come up. There, I mean, this 79 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: entire truss bridge collapsing. I saw one person saying, this 80 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: is one of the largest spans of this particular type 81 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: of bridge in the world. So you can imagine, you know, 82 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: the number of vehicles that may have been on this bridge. 83 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: You know, this happening overnight. You can only imagine if 84 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: this had happened during rush hour. Terrifying scene. Sager, and 85 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: we also have a few details we can give you. 86 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen from the Wall 87 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Street Journal. So they say Baltimore Bridge collapses after being 88 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: hit by ships, sending vehicles into the river. And as 89 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: I mentioned, you know, there is an expectation that there 90 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: could be casualties here right now, around twenty people and 91 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: multiple cars they are saying are likely to have fallen 92 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: in the water. As far as we know, everybody who 93 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: was on board the ship is actually okay and Soccer. 94 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: They say they're going to be cooperating fully with the 95 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: investigation into what occurred here, but also authorities in Baltimore 96 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: saying there is no indication that this was intentional or 97 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: this was terrorism. It appears upon first glance. Will wait 98 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: for the full investigation, but to have been a horrific 99 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: technical mishap. 100 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 2: A lot of questions though around this ship. So this 101 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: is the Dolli. It's a Singaporean flagged vessel. As you said, 102 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: it was departing Baltimore for Sri Lanka, supposed to arrive 103 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: there on April twenty second, one thousand feet long, and 104 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: it was contracted byk mirsk said that they had fully 105 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: owned all of the cargo that was on board. Some 106 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: interesting details actually previously had it been involved in a mishap, 107 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: it said in a mishap previously where they did not 108 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: see any major damage. But the thing is Crystal is 109 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,799 Speaker 2: the relatively new vessel. The ship was built in twenty 110 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: fifteen by Hyundai Industries, so I mean this is a 111 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: pretty reputable corporation with a good engineering background. So there's 112 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: going to be a lot of questions here. Yeah, this 113 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: one was earlier this year, and two story earlier that year. 114 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: Following twenty sixteen, the ship was involved in an incident 115 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: where it hit a stone wall at the port of Antwerp, 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: which is sayed minor damage at the time, but nobody 117 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: was injured. So there is quite a bit of regulatory 118 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: stuff that's going to kick in now. In a similar 119 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: way the NTSB handles flight crash like, we're going to 120 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: have to see whether the pilots on board were acting propuarly, 121 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: procedure was taking place, whether there was a mechanical failure 122 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 2: that was avoidable, whether this was a maintenance issue before 123 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: it had left port. But clearly we can infer a 124 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: couple of things. It had just left port, so we 125 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: really need to examine what exactly led up to this. 126 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a major transportation catastrophe here in 127 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: the US. We were both talking beforehand. I don't know 128 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: how many times you and I have both been on 129 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: this show. Oh absolutely, anybody who lives in the DMV 130 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: has been on the bridge at least a couple of times, 131 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: or you know, driven driven. 132 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: Obstually Kyle's plan and drives to New York today very 133 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: likely would have been over this bridge if it wasn't 134 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: for you know, the fact obviously it closed and catastrophically collapsed. 135 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: But you know this is not only right there near 136 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: the port, this is also close to the Baltimore Airport. 137 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: This is one of the major thoroughfares if you're going 138 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: from DC to New York or New York to DC, 139 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: this is one of the major routes that you take 140 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: because you sort of bypass that downtown Baltimore city traffic 141 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: and take this kind of outer loop around downtown. So 142 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, this is going to cause catastrophic transportation issues 143 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: for quite a while while this is dealt with, while 144 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: the investigation unfolds, and you know, obviously will take quite 145 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: a while to reconstruct this bridge, which seeing it just 146 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: collapse like that, I mean, it's shocking. So our hearts 147 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: go out to the people who you know, have lost 148 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: loved ones in this horrific incident. Obviously, we don't have 149 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: all the details of how many people there is. Rescue 150 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: effort underway, so you know, we pray that there could 151 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: be some survivors, but a very very dire situation unfolding 152 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: and you know, truly a shocking thing to behold. 153 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: Sad it's a horrible incident. It's a you know, city 154 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: that was already This is probably the last thing they needed. 155 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: This is going to be a lot of questions here 156 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: about cargo shipping and all that. But in the immediate aftermath, 157 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: it's cold water and it's just a nightmare situation, just 158 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: driving along doing your job. A lot of these guys 159 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: apparently were construction workers who are included working in the 160 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: middle of the night and the next thing, you know, 161 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: bridge below you just blows out. 162 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: This entire thing unimaginable. Yeah, literal nightmare stuff there. 163 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: So hoping praying for everybody who's involved. 164 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's go ahead and get to the very latest 165 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: with regard to our relationship with Israel. So, as Ryan 166 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: and doctor Parsi brought to you yesterday, the US decided 167 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: to abstain yesterday in the UN and allow sort of 168 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: ceasefire resolution to go through. Previously, the US has vetoed 169 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: three different ceasefire resolutions, So the fact that we abstained 170 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: and allowed this through did appear appear to be a 171 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: shift in terms of our policy and what we are 172 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: willing to do, at least through diplomatic channels in order 173 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: to try to pressure Israel to come to some sort 174 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: of a deal and end their outrageous assault on the 175 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: Gaza strip. Let's go ahead and we can show you 176 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: as this vote went down. 177 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: Put this up on the screen. 178 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 4: The result of the voting is US for US votes 179 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 4: in favor, zero vote against, one abstention. The draft resolution 180 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: has to be adopted a volution twenty seven twenty eight 181 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 4: since A twenty. 182 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 3: Four, So that's the actual vote going down. 183 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: And immediately there were a few questions. Number one, how 184 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: is Israel going to react? And number two, is this 185 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: just another version of pr messaging shift from the US 186 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: or is this going to be backed up by some 187 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: actual policy changes. We now can answer both of those questions, 188 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: So let's start with Israel's response. They freaked out, put 189 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: this up on the screen through an absolute tantrum, Bibi 190 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 1: nan Yaho canceled the meetings of this delegation that was 191 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: supposed to come here and meet with Biden officials. Specifically, 192 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: they were supposed to be meeting about alternative plans with 193 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: regard to Rafa and the looming invasion. 194 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: There. 195 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: I'll read you a little bit from this piece, so 196 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: they say. Minutes before the vote, Natanya, who claimed the 197 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: resolution did not condition the ceasefire call on the release 198 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: of hostages and threatened to cancel the rougher meanings if 199 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: the US didn't use its veto. 200 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: That's really not even accurate. 201 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the resolution does in fact call for the 202 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: release of hostages, but that was the way he wanted 203 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: to spin it. After the US abstained, UN Ambassador Linda 204 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: Thomas Greenfield offered assurances the resolution meant the seasefire must 205 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: come as part of a hostage deal. This explanation apparently 206 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: did not reassure Netnyahu, who swiftly announced the cancelation of 207 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: that delegation. We also have some reporting on bringing you 208 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: a little bit that US officials were apparently perplexed and 209 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: confused by this and feel like he is just using 210 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: this moment for his own domestic political benefits, so put 211 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: a pin in that. More on that later, but let's 212 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: talk a little bit also about the US response. Did 213 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: this actually represent some sort of a shift. Is this 214 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: going to come this Security Council resolution with some sort 215 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: of pressure to actually get Israel to stop doing the 216 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: atrocities and starvation of the Gaza strip and actually come 217 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: to some sort of a what they said in the 218 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: Steal lasting ceasefire agreement. Well, according to Matt Lee, no, 219 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: it does not represent a shift at our position. It 220 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: comes with no pressure. It is effectively per us meaningless. 221 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 3: Let's take listen to this exchange, and so what. 222 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 5: Do you expect now that happen as a result of 223 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 5: the passage of this resolution. So I think you expect 224 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 5: that Israel is going to announce a cease fire. 225 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: I do not. 226 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 5: Is that so if you expect that Hamas is going 227 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 5: to release hostages? 228 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 6: So I'm glad you get you mentioned that, because one 229 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 6: of the things that we have objected to for some 230 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 6: time is that most of the people that call for 231 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 6: a cease fire, we believe are calling for Israel to 232 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 6: unilaterally stop operations and not calling for Hamas to agree 233 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 6: to cease fire where they would release hostages. 234 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 5: Well, I think it goes so it could so that 235 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 5: the wait wait wait wait wait wait no, but. 236 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 6: The resolution today is is an non binding resolution. 237 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 5: So what's the point? Why? Why? 238 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 7: Why? 239 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 5: Why did you abstain? Why didn't you veto? 240 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 6: We didn't veto because we thought the language and it 241 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 6: was consistent with something that the language as it relates 242 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 6: to the ceasefire and release of hostage was consistent with 243 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 6: the long stand United States position. 244 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 5: So you don't believe anything is going to happen as 245 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 5: a result of the passage. 246 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 6: Of this So I think that separate and apart from 247 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 6: this resolution, we have active, ongoing negotiations to try to 248 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 6: achieve what this resolution calls for, which is the uh 249 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 6: AN immediate ceasefire and the release of hostages. 250 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 251 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 6: I can't say that this impact this resolution is going 252 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 6: to have any impact on those negotiations. But those negotiations 253 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 6: are ongoing. They've been ongoing over the weekend and they've 254 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 6: made progress. 255 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 5: So I don't expect you to answer this now, but 256 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 5: to me, you just stick this in your pocket. If 257 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 5: that's the case, what the hell is the point of 258 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 5: the UN or the UN Security Council. 259 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 6: So we think it plays an important. 260 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 5: Role, even though absolutely nothing every and that you're going 261 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 5: to get what you would like to see, not out 262 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,119 Speaker 5: of the UN, but out of discussions. 263 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 6: So we believe it's important that the UN speak and 264 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 6: the UN Security Council speak on matters of international security. 265 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 6: It's why we've been engaged in this process, why we 266 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 6: thought we were going to have a successful vote on 267 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 6: Friday that Russia and China unfortunately and quite cynically vetoed. 268 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 6: But I do believe that ultimately, if we were able 269 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 6: to achieve a cease fire and the release of hostages 270 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 6: is going to come not through a UN process, but 271 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 6: through the process with which we've been engaged. 272 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: Yes, in Doha, what the hell is even the point 273 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: of the UN? Let me just say, God bless Matt Lee. 274 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: This exchange was extraordinary. And let me pick up on 275 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: one piece in particular because immediately not only Matt Miller, 276 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: but Linda Thomas Greenfield and others washed through the mics 277 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: to say, oh, well, this resolution is non binding, so 278 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: it really doesn't mean anything at all. Our positions the same, 279 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: and HAW hasn't changed, etctera, et cetera. This is just 280 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: making stuff up. UN Security Council resolutions are binding, so 281 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: they're just inventing new international law to pretend to the 282 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: world themselves, Israel whatever, that this is inconsequential. And because 283 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: they have taken the position that it is inconsequential and 284 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: that it literally means nothing, causing Matt Lee to ask, 285 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: what the hell is even the point of the UN? 286 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: Why did you even freakin do this? Why should we care, 287 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: revealing that it actually does mean nothing in their eyes, 288 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: and it's not going to come with any change in policy, 289 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: any pressure with regard to Israel, and is just one 290 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: more example of their BS propaganda ass covering moves that 291 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: really don't come with any sort of substantive policy difference 292 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: to try to effectuate a different policy direction. 293 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: Well, i mean, look, all of this is symbolic, and 294 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: that's part of why it's so annoying to watch this 295 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: whole charade play out. The Israelis treat it as if 296 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: it's a real change in policy. They're not stupid, and 297 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: they know that's not the case. The same thing happened 298 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: from twenty sixteen when Barack Obama, at the end of 299 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: his presidency, allowed a UN resolution to go through, which 300 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: is critical of the settlement policy. Did anything change in 301 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: the settlement policy? Crystal? Okay, so what do we learn 302 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: about that? Second though, is that the Biden administration is 303 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: doing their absolute best to get as many headlines as 304 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: possible to make it appear as if they have rhetorically 305 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: changed anything, while policy on the ground remains exactly the same. 306 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: The problem though, is that in some ways, you know, 307 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: the Israelis are not wrong in that they have even 308 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: ground somebody like Biden to the point where even whenever 309 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: you're going to ship them as many weapons as possible, 310 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: that they have to try and distance themselves from your actions. 311 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: And this is where, symbolically, I mean, what we've really 312 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: been warning about from the beginning is listen, you can 313 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: do what you want, but you are really suffering in 314 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: the eyes of the world. And this is just further 315 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: evidence of that. And that's also why they're pulling out 316 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: all the stops. We have this, for example, a tried 317 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: and true friend now in this conflict, the Israeli minister 318 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: Ben It's amen Ben Gavie it up there please on 319 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: the screen. He says that the Security Council decision proves 320 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: that the United Nations is anti Semitic and its secretary 321 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: General is anti Semitic, and it encourages Hamas. I mean, 322 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: everything is anti Semitic and or encouraging to Hamas. But 323 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I just think that the way that we 324 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: can look at this is that it is both symbolically 325 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: a problem from Israel I think in the long run, 326 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: but in the short term there has been and this 327 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: is why it was so critical to play that Matt 328 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: Lee clip. There is no change in official US policy 329 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: and that is the actual takeaway that our audience needs 330 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: to hear today. 331 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have more on that in a moment. 332 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: Let me show you the Hamas response to this. Let's 333 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. So, in a surprising statement, 334 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: this person of Pines Hamas welcomed the unsc's decision called 335 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: for its immediate implementation. Hamas also firm their readiness to 336 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: engage in a prisoner exchange process leading to the release 337 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: of detainees held by both sides. So that was their 338 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: reaction to this. And put the next one up on 339 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: this just more to the point about Israel's reaction here. 340 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: So a bunch of US officials leak to Axios's baroque 341 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: revide that they think BB is intentionally provoking a crisis 342 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: for his own domestic benefit. A US official said the 343 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: White House was perplexed by what it sees as an 344 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: overreaction by Netanyaho because in their mind, they're like, we 345 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: haven't changed our policy. This is all just some bullshit 346 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: pr stunt, So why are you freaking out? Like we're 347 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: not cutting off weapons, We're not doing anything different, So 348 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: why are you freaking out? 349 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: The official said. The White House is puzzled. 350 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister rejected the US interpretation of the UN resolution, 351 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: decided to air his differences with the Biden administration and 352 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: public and tell the US what its policy is when 353 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: the US is already stating its policy, which is different 354 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: from what Netanyahu is saying. 355 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: Quote, all of that is self defeating. 356 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister could have chosen a different course to 357 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: align with the US on the meaning of this resolution. 358 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: He chose not to, apparently for political purposes. So they're 359 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: saying here basically that the freak out is for show 360 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: for our domestic Israeli political consumption, that it looks good 361 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: for him to seem to be standing up to the 362 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: US and being angry about the UN Security Council resolution, 363 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: even as these officials went out of their way to 364 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: assure him that literally nothing is actually changing. So to 365 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: your point about it being theater like this is proof 366 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: positive of exactly that. 367 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: And to really hit this home, I want especially again 368 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: what's actually happening, let's put this please up on the screen, 369 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: is that the US at the exact same time, actually 370 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 2: found within the State Department that Israel is in compliance 371 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: with the Biden demand of international law and humanitarian aid. 372 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: The State Department has said, quote, we have not found 373 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: Israel to be in violation either when it comes to 374 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: the conduct of the war or the provision of humanitarian assistance. 375 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: This was made crystal. They had up until May eighth 376 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 2: to provide Congress with that report on its compliance after 377 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: the demand was currently happening. And the key point of 378 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: saying that they have not found it is that that 379 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: then all allows them to continue the weapons shipments and 380 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: to continue to fulfill the weapons wish lists that are 381 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: currently here. So may very careful about just accepting whatever 382 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 2: is supposedly a change in policy at the United Nations 383 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: at the brass tax level in terms of weapons that 384 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: will continue to flow. The US State Department certifies that 385 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: these weapons are being used in the international laws of war, 386 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: and the humanitarian aid is being allowed into the Gaza strip. 387 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: I expected this, and it still was absolutely enraging to 388 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: me because you literally had last week sectuary of Saint 389 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: Toni Blncoln saying that one hundred percent of the population 390 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: is facing acute food deficiencies. 391 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: Okay, he said, this is the. 392 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: First time we've ever seen an entire population suffer from 393 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: this level of food deprivation. And then not even a 394 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: week later, you and the State Department turn around and certify, Oh, 395 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 1: there's no problem with humanitarian eight. 396 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 3: No, they're not blucky. You do you think we're stupid? 397 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: Do you think we can't see the images coming out 398 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 1: the absolute desperation as people clamor for anything they can 399 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: get their hands on, eating weeds, drinking water that is unsafe, unsanitary, 400 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: making them sick making at best at best, using feed 401 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: that is meant for animals to try to put together, 402 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, something that they could possibly sustain themselves on 403 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: the entire populations at. 404 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. 405 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: You've never seen this before, and yet you're going to 406 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: certify that, Oh, no, they're not blocking humanitarian aid. This 407 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: certification came on the very same day that the UN 408 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: released a report saying, yes, it does look like genocide 409 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: based on Israel's actions, based on not just the number 410 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: of people that have been killed, but the total annihilation 411 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: of civilian life, based on Hey, we just saw it, 412 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: not just in Gaza, but we saw the largest land 413 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: grab in the West Bank that we seen in thirty years, 414 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: as we covered yesterday. And with all of this going on, 415 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: you're going to sartify, no, they're following international law. 416 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 3: Bullshit. 417 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: We just saw the drone footage of them targeting unarmed 418 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: civilians who were just walking by in Conunis and they 419 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: hit them, and when they're crawling and scrambling for their lives, 420 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: going back in and hitting them again with zero justification, 421 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: And you're going to certify now now we think it's 422 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: it's all fine, They're a riding by international law. Your 423 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: own base, fifty percent majority think that this is a genocide. 424 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: We have polling that will show you in a moment 425 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: about the way that your own voters view this conflict, 426 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: and how much the US public, Democrats, Republicans, Independence, how 427 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: wary they are are providing additional military assistance to Israel 428 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: at this moment, and You're going to go against all 429 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: of that. You're going to go against what a number 430 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: of Senate Democrats have said, including Chris van Holland, who's 431 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: no frickin rat. 432 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: You're going to go against that. 433 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: You're going to go against what every human rights organization, 434 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: including a number of Israeli human rights organizations, have said 435 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: about what's unfolding on the ground. You're going to go 436 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 1: against your own words a week ago, where you were 437 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: talking about how the whole population is being starved to death. 438 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: It's just it's outrageous. It's absolutely outrageous. And so if 439 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: there was any inkling of hope that perhaps this abstention, 440 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: remember they didn't even. 441 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 3: Vote for it, but they allowed the resolution. 442 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: To pass their Security Council, that this represented some sort 443 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: of shift in terms of this administration's support for an 444 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: ongoing genocide in the Gaza strip. 445 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 3: If you had any inkling of hope. 446 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: That that was the case, this is your answer, definitively, conclusively. 447 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: They have not shifted or budged one single inch. They 448 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: have changed their messaging for their own domestic political consumption. 449 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: And it is all a game, it is all theater 450 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: to them. BBE is playing off of it doing what 451 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: he needs to do to try to stay in power, 452 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: and Biden is changing his messaging and his rhetoric thinking 453 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: that is going to fool all of us into thinking 454 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: that there has been some actual change in policy. 455 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: And it is total and complete bullshit. Matt Miller got. 456 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: Asked about this yesterday whether they still think that, you know, 457 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: Unrich should be defunded, and asked about whether Israel is 458 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: blocking humanitarian aid. 459 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to how he responded, do. 460 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 7: You still believe is it still the US assessment that 461 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 7: Israel is not using food or assistant as a tool 462 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 7: of fool. 463 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 6: So we have not made an assessment or drawn the 464 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 6: conclusion that they are in violation of international humanitarian law 465 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 6: when it comes to the provision of humanitarian assistance into Gaza. 466 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: We have not made an assessment. I mean, Sager, what 467 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: do you make of that language? That's such like, you know, 468 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: a non answer here, because they really can't come out 469 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: and say no, they're not blocking aid because it's so 470 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: manifestly obvious to anyone who's paying attention, So they just say, well, 471 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: we haven't made that assessment. 472 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they're just living in their own house 473 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 2: of cards now at this point, because they've constructed their 474 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: entire policy such that they're trying to have the language 475 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: of humanitarianism and compliance with international law, in compliance with 476 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: US law, frankly, and then also to try and assuage 477 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 2: some of the concerns of what is just patently obvious 478 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: to any even neutral observer now at this point. So 479 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: I just see it as really collapsing within its own 480 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: like tortured logic, which frankly, that's really been the case 481 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 2: now for the Biden administration for quite some time. And 482 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: echo what you said. God bless Matt Lee and all 483 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: the other State Department reporters are on Ryan Graham as well, 484 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: who have been a great question because it all collapses, 485 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 2: you know, on it's with the most basic level of scrutiny. 486 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: And that's really what we're seeing with this guy. Even 487 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: this MSNBC training is is not coming out all that 488 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 2: useful for him in this time. 489 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: You know. 490 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: I just I think about these people, Matt Miller, kareem 491 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: jump here, like I knew her, we were at AMSNBC together. 492 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: She comes down of this like lefty anti war activist background, 493 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, how did you justify this. 494 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 2: To yourself because Trump is bad and they work for Biden, 495 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: and Biden is not Trump. I genuinely think that's it. 496 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: Was there a moment, you know, was there a decision 497 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: point where it was like, I can either advance my 498 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: career or I can hold to some sort of principle here, 499 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: and the career path was chosen. And then you find 500 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: yourself in front of a podium justifying a genocide, like. 501 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: Does it happen little by little? 502 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: Is there one sort of seminal moment that sends you 503 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: inexorably in that direction? 504 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: I think about that because it's it's crazy to. 505 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Me to say, I'm sure Matt Miller, I don't really 506 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: know him, but I know him from you know, his 507 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: MSMEBC days and whatever. I'm sure he saw himself as 508 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: this like moral liberal, progressive type. And now look at 509 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: you standing up there and saying, oh, well, we haven't 510 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: assessed whether or not they're blocking humanitarian age justifying carrying 511 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: water for all of this these we don't even know how. 512 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the number is about thirty thousand people. 513 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: We really don't know. We don't know, we don't know 514 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: how many people buried under the rubble. We don't know 515 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: what this is going to do to every single child 516 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: in the Gaza strip for the rest of their lives. 517 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: Entire thing destroyed, and you're still standing there carrying water, 518 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: doing whatever you need to do for that day's propaganda agenda. 519 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: It's utterly disgusting and these people are complete and utter monsters. 520 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: Let's move on to how the public feels about this war, 521 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: which is quite dissonant, especially the Democratic base, from how 522 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: the elite elected officials have been supporting this war. 523 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: Put this up on the screen. 524 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: So we've got a whole bunch of pulling from Pew 525 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: Research Center. You've got Dems and lean Dems basically split 526 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: on yes, no, or don't know on whether Hamas's reasons 527 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: for fighting Israel are valid, regardless of how acceptable respondent 528 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: views October seventh. 529 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: So there's a difference here. 530 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: Right, you have overwhelming sentiment against thinking that October seventh 531 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: was acceptable. Right, There's very few in the Democratic Party, 532 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: in the Republican Party anywhere that say, hey, October seventh 533 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,959 Speaker 1: was acceptable. The question is do you think that the 534 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: reason that Hamas is fighting is valid? 535 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 3: And you've got in. 536 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: The Democrats and lean Democrats, you've got thirty eight saying invalid, 537 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: thirty four valid and twenty eight not sure. And you 538 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: can see here there's a significant partisan divide. You can 539 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: also see, you know, their significant generational divide, which is, 540 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a consistent theme across a lot 541 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: of this polling. Let's go ahead and put this next 542 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: piece up on the screen because I think this is 543 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: really critical. So you have this question, is the way 544 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: that Israel is fighting this war with hamas acceptable and 545 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party with Democrats and lean Democrats, a 546 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: majority fifty two percent say it is unacceptable, Only twenty 547 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: two percent say that it is acceptable, and another twenty 548 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: six percent say that it's not sure. That they're not sure, 549 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: So Sager, this one really demonstrates how at ad the 550 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: Biden administration is with their own base of voters, and 551 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: how differently those voters are viewing what is happening here. 552 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, can we go to the next one please and 553 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: put it up there on the screen because a lot 554 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 2: of the breakdowns are actually very important. It says Americans 555 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: are divided over whether Biden is striking the right balance, 556 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: and quote percent who say Joe Biden is favoring Israeli 557 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 2: is too much amongst Democrats, that's a full thirty four percent, 558 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 2: striking the right balance is twenty nine percent, not sure 559 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: thirty three percent, and favoring Palestinians too much you have 560 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 2: three percent. So I think really what you are seeing 561 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: here is a major and consolidated shift. The next one 562 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 2: also seems very very important to me, which is about 563 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: the US military aid, because again you know you have 564 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 2: in there you the number on lean Democrats, and you 565 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: see that the majority are not really in favor of 566 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: sending aid to Israel and or or not sure, but 567 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: you also see I think some major changes kind of 568 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: in the overall view of the US electorate on Israel. 569 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: And I think that's actually what's most important. It's not 570 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: just about Democrats. We're talking here about military aid to 571 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: what was previously one of the most popular countries, you know, 572 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: in the entire United States, and when we look at 573 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: some of that loss and some of that breakdown, I 574 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: think that that has been a societal wide shift for 575 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: which Israel is really going I think to pay the consequences. 576 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: A lot of that started with BB's speech, you know, 577 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: before Congress, with Obama back in twenty fifteen, but this 578 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: has really made it so that I think Israel has 579 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: now basically allied itself with an explicit political party in 580 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: the US, and we're about to get to that too 581 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 2: with Trump, where Trump can be all over the map 582 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: on policy, is probably going to be very very pro Israel. 583 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: That said, you know, that's a very very bad strategic 584 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: way to align yourself because previously they really did have 585 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: a lot more bipartisan consensus than I think where we're 586 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: headed right now. I think ten fifteen years from now, 587 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: the current status quo is unimaginable. Yeah, with the current. 588 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: Amount of well, Trump makes some interesting comments about that, 589 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: but because you're you're gonna they're just the most Trumpian 590 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: comments on the subject you can possibly imagine. You know, 591 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: there was also a real commentary if you dig into 592 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: this data on the media coverage, because first of all, 593 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: only about half of US adults could even correctly answer 594 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: the question of whether Israelis or Palestinians had suffered more deaths. 595 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: Think about that, only half. 596 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: Of the US public thought that they could answer that 597 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: question correctly. They did not know that the toll on 598 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,479 Speaker 1: the Palestinian side has been multiples of times greater. And 599 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: then they also tracked so the people who said they 600 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: weren't sure and didn't know which side had suffered more 601 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: casualties and more deaths, they had a very different opinion 602 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: of this conflict. They were much more in general sort 603 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: of pro Israel and subject, you know, like likely susceptible 604 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: to accept the Israeli propaganda, the Biden administration propaganda with 605 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: regards to what's happening here. So I'll give you some 606 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: of those numbers. They say, those that were aware that 607 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: more Palestinians have died are about twice as likely to 608 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: say Biden is favoring Israeli's too much as to say 609 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: he's favoring the Palestinians too much. Among those who do 610 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: not know that more Palestinians have died, you have fifteen 611 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: percent saying Biden is favoring the Palestinians too much, and 612 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: only nine percent say that he's favoring the Israelis too much. 613 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: By sixty nine to sixteen, Those who know that more 614 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: Palestinians have died favor the US providing humanitarian aid, but 615 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: those who don't know the balance of casualties, only twenty 616 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: nine percent favor providing aid and twenty three percent oppose it. 617 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: So I mean There's a few things to say here. 618 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: First of all, you can see why they're so upset 619 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: about TikTok and why this has, you know, really reignited 620 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: this whole conversation about and a lot of political momentum 621 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: around banning TikTok, because it breaks up some of the 622 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: consistent propaganda that you get across mainstream media outlets to 623 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: the you know, that is so fulsome that most Americans 624 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: don't even know the very basic numbers around which side 625 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: has suffered more casualties, and that dramatically impacts the way 626 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: that they're viewing this conflict. 627 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: I thought that was really no worthy. 628 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: I thought it was noteworthy. But I'm going to say, 629 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's just TikTok. You know, I 630 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: don't spend any time. I don't literally don't even have TikTok. 631 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: But I'm on the internet, you know, I'm on Twitter. 632 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: I think that's it's not just TikTok. That's what I mean. 633 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: It's being on the internet. 634 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: They think TikTok is sort of like weekly. 635 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: I don't just you know that said. I mean, I 636 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 2: go on my Instagram reels and even there I get 637 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: served up. You know, some palastinian content or whatever. I 638 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: follow a couple of guys, people who are like military 639 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 2: analysts and others who are relatively dispassionate. More So, I 640 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: would just say, if you are not consuming mainstream media, 641 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: which is the vast majority of people under the age 642 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: of fifty five, you are. I mean, this is a 643 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: key theme of our show, right, you are living literally 644 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: in an entirely different world than if you're just getting 645 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: everything served up on CNN or MSNBC. I also think 646 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: some of it comes down to moral weight. I mean, 647 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: this is something we balance here on our show in 648 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: terms of programming and all that. But if you do 649 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: spend any time Crystal looking at the vast majority of 650 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 2: coverage that these people spend their time on, like the 651 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 2: Trump trial and the im minutia of Stormy Daniels or 652 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: MSNBC yesterday, every single hour of their show issued a 653 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: segment including Rachel maddout, dedicated to speaking out against Ron 654 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: and McDaniel, like that's what they think is important, and 655 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 2: it almost gaslights like boomers and other people in this 656 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: country and too thinking you're like, yeah, you know what, 657 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: these are the trend setting issues of our day. I mean, 658 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: here's again look, I get it. It is a bet 659 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: they're going against Nicole Wallace right exactly. Now the reason, 660 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: you know, for today, we can lead our show here 661 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: with Israel, which I don't see a lot of people 662 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 2: in cable or other doings because we're like, wow, this 663 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: is a breakdown in the US Israeli relationship. At the 664 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: same time exposes a lot of stuff. It was major 665 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: headline news, you know, all across Washington, and I just 666 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: don't see a lot of seriousness in the way that 667 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: they have coverage. So it's a there's a fulsome conversation 668 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: where I still come down on the people of the 669 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: young actually know what's up, because they really they have 670 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: better prioritization of what's really important and what's not than 671 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: the people who are the so called program. 672 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely the case, and there's it's not an accident that 673 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: they fall back to their like you know, I'm not 674 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: saying these things are like not important, what's going on 675 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: with Trump? 676 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: Right, We're going to come back. 677 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: To right, But they fall back to that because that's 678 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: very easy and very safe for them. 679 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 2: Exactly. 680 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 1: No one's losing their job over at MSNBC by saying 681 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: Trump is bad or Trump is a criminal or whatever. 682 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: But you could ask Mehdi Hassan how it went for 683 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: him at MSNBC when he was not only critical of 684 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: Israel but also was willing to really aggressively challenge Israeli 685 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: spokespeople who would come on his show. Guess what, you 686 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: don't have a job there anymore. Now you can read 687 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: into that what you will. But he's not the first either, 688 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: asked Mark Lamont Hill how that went for him over 689 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: at CNN. 690 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 3: True, So these people are not stupid. 691 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: Their career is they want to keep their job, they 692 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: want to keep their platform. They can justify that in 693 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,919 Speaker 1: their minds. However they want, you know, well, at least 694 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: I can be here and say a little bit of 695 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: something about something true and something real and something important. 696 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: And if I'm gone, then you know, the next person 697 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: may not even do that. But they understand what line 698 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: they need to walk and where the safe spaces for 699 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: them in terms of their career. And so all of 700 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: the incentives are in the opposite of direction of actually 701 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: covering this conflict in a way just that is factual 702 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: and honest as what is actually happening on the ground. 703 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: And so as a result of that, you end up 704 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: with a population where a majority do not even know 705 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: the basic fact that Palestinians have suffered multiples more losses 706 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: during this conflict than Israelis, and you end up with 707 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: the views that boomers have in this conflict, and you 708 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: can see consistently the generational conflict. The one other things 709 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 1: Sager that I thought was really interesting noteworthy is they 710 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: asked about how people felt, and these are all Americans, 711 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: right about the Israeli government approved disapprove the religious group 712 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: that had the highest approval rating for the net Nyahu government, 713 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: You're going to. 714 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: Guess evangelical absolutely, of course. 715 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: Way higher than Jewish Americans. They had much higherupprow rating 716 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: of bb Neatna, Who's government. So I thought that was 717 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: an interesting note from this poll. 718 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 2: If you ever get if you are ever on a 719 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 2: plane to Tel Aviv, you're going to find it's going 720 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 2: to be like a ten to one ratio of church 721 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 2: groups to actual Jews who are going to Israel. 722 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 3: So that's where the strongest support is. That's the bedrocker. 723 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 2: That's actually where the Israeli government and Israeli groups spend 724 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 2: a lot of money cultivating that because they know, you 725 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 2: know how powerful that is. 726 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 3: Look at the House speaker. 727 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 2: Exactly, it works, Yeah, right, the investments correct, it's not wrong. 728 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: First thing he did when it became speaker, he passed 729 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: a resolution for Israel called. 730 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 3: Bbnatna who, et cetera. 731 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: And it's you know, partly I wouldn't just say partly, 732 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: it's almost wholly because of his ideological relation. 733 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: Well, I remember walking around Jerusalem and just seeing you know, 734 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 2: you see like all of these church groups literally everywhere 735 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 2: I was. I mean, you heard American English almost everywhere 736 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 2: you went, and it really hit home for me. I 737 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 2: was like, Wow, this is a real, like well funded 738 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: operation that's happening out here. And it's only opened my 739 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 2: eyes ever since. 740 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: Yes, Donald Trump gave an interview to a right wing 741 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: leaning Israeli news outlet. 742 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 3: He was at Mar A Lago. 743 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to a little bit of what 744 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: he had to say, and then we'll read you some 745 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: of the additional quotes that weren't included in the video portion. 746 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 3: Take a lesson. 747 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 8: They would have never done that because they knew there 748 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 8: would have been very big consequences. 749 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 5: All right. 750 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 8: That being said, you have to finish up your war. 751 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 8: You have to finish it up. You got to get 752 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 8: it done, and I'm sure you'll do that, and we 753 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 8: got to get to peace. You can't have this going on. 754 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 8: And I will say, Israel has to be very careful 755 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 8: because you're losing a lot of the world, You're losing 756 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 8: a lot of support. You have to finish up. You 757 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 8: have to get the job done, and you have to 758 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 8: get onto peace. You have to get onto a normal 759 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 8: life for Israel and for everybody else here. They say, 760 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,959 Speaker 8: if I ran for if I ran for office in Israel, 761 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 8: i get ninety eight percent of the vote. I'm not Jewish, 762 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 8: and yet Israel to me is very important. That's why 763 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 8: I did. Goal on heights. Goal on heights is worth 764 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 8: trillions of dollars. Trillions of dollars. 765 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 3: Okay. He goes on, by the way, to say, what 766 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: are you. 767 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 2: Talking about with the goal on heights? 768 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 3: I don't even know. 769 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: But he goes on to say, like I asked, my ambassador, 770 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: give me a history lesson. Make it five minutes or less, 771 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: he said, And then based on that five minute conversation, 772 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: he did whatever this thing is with the goal on 773 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: he that. 774 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 2: He did recognize the goal on heids. 775 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 3: Okay, got that, Yeah. 776 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 2: But of course, in his way, he's like, it's worth 777 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 2: trillion with the real estate value of the land, very much. 778 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: Echos Kushner's comments right about how Gossa look at this 779 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: amazing waterfront property for development. Isn't this fantastic? Like the 780 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: way these people think is really something else. Obviously people 781 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: picked up on the fact that he says here multiple 782 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: times he said this throughout the interview. You have to 783 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: finish up, you have to get the job done, and 784 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: you have to get to peace. So he'll say things 785 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: like that. Then he'll also say things that are just 786 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: wholly like, well, of course I'll be great. I'll give 787 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: you everything that you want. And we know from the 788 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: last time that he was in office he did exactly that. 789 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: He did give them everything that they wanted, everything that 790 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: they asked for the Abraham Accords. You know, we're part 791 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: of the context that Hamas says was what motivated them 792 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: to commit their atrocities and attacks on October seventh. Does 793 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: not to justify Hima's actions, as just to explain to 794 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: you the way that they were thinking about this and 795 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: how they felt that their back was up against the 796 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: wall because this normalization of relations was happening. That made 797 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: them feel like the whole world is moving on and 798 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: they're forgetting about us, and we're losing any sort of 799 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: window to do anything at all. So Trump, you know, 800 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: says his typical thing about oh, this never would have 801 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: happened under me, blah blah blah. I think that's nonsense. 802 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: First of all, you can't prove a counterfactional. But second 803 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: of all, his administration was a key part of creating 804 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: this context, and that was continued by the Biden administration. 805 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: They were pushing for normalization with Saudi Arabia. 806 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 3: So both of. 807 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: These administrations and many more besides complicit in creating the 808 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: context for October seventh. 809 00:39:59,239 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 8: Yeah. 810 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 2: I have the thing about Trump, though, is he can't 811 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 2: help but strike to at least some directional truth. And 812 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 2: that's what I really found in some of these comments. 813 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 2: Let's put it up there on the screen. Of course, 814 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: the Israeli outlet didn't cut the video of this, but 815 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 2: we do have the text quote, if you were president, 816 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 2: how would you counter the wave of anti Semitism in 817 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 2: the wake of war's outbreaks? He says, well, that's because 818 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 2: you fought back, and I think Israel made a very 819 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 2: big mistake. I wanted to call and say, don't do it. 820 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 2: These photos and shots, I mean moving shots of bombs 821 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 2: being dropped into buildings in Gaza, and I said, oh, 822 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 2: that's a terrible portrait. It's a very bad picture for 823 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 2: the world. The world is seeing this every night. I 824 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 2: would watch buildings pour down on people. I would say 825 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,839 Speaker 2: it was given by the Defense ministry, and Sue said, 826 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 2: whoever's providing that is a bad image. And the Israeli 827 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 2: newscaster says, but terrorists are hiding in those buildings. He says, 828 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 2: go and do what you have to do. But you 829 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 2: don't do that. And I think that's one of the 830 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 2: reasons there has been a lot of kickback if people 831 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 2: didn't see that. Every single night, I've watched every single 832 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 2: one of those, and I think Israel wanted to show 833 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 2: it's tough, but sometimes you shouldn't be doing that. 834 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 3: So this one, do what you have to do, but 835 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 3: you don't do that. 836 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 2: This is the most revealing. Look, this is my always 837 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 2: my big defense to Trump. He at least can smell 838 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 2: where things are in the media, and he has an 839 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 2: uncanny ability through his like pr perception of the world, 840 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: to be like, Look, on a policy level, you know, 841 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 2: I support you guys, He's like, but don't do that, 842 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 2: maybe you know, in his own very Trumpian way, but 843 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 2: do what you'd have to do, but don't do that. 844 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 2: I thought about calling him, say don't do it. It's 845 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 2: a very bad picture to the world. I mean, this 846 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 2: is the like the savant ish aspect of Trump's character 847 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 2: where you can't see any other Republican ever saying anything 848 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 2: like that because they have to stay within a consistent prism. 849 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 2: But for him, he's like, I can see that this 850 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 2: is going to be a real problem for me. So 851 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 2: it's not that politically he's positioning himself differently, but he's 852 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 2: almost offering messaging advice. I would also say, he said, 853 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 2: what did he say? I think they've made a bus mistake. 854 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 2: They shouldn't do it. It's like people were like, oh 855 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,240 Speaker 2: my gosh, is Trump calling for an unconditional easquire without 856 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 2: the release of hostages in Israel. That's certainly one way 857 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 2: you could actually read it, which is the hilarious thing 858 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 2: about him and the way that he can put himself. 859 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: That is part of Trump and what is like, you know, 860 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: incredible and maddening about him is you could read into 861 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: these comments basically anything that you want because the comment 862 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: of like, oh, you have to finish the job. I mean, 863 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: that sounds really horrifying them, and he's like, you have 864 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,479 Speaker 1: to get to peace. The piece that this right wing 865 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: outlet picked up on was like, you'd be crazy not 866 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: to do what Israel did after October seventh, and that's 867 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: what they use for their headline because that's what fits 868 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: what they wanted to hear from this conversation. There was 869 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: another piece that I wanted to read you, and he 870 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: does throughout this whole interview, which I encourage you to 871 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: read because it is interesting. He keeps coming back to, 872 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, the assault on Gaza and the buildings pouring 873 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: down on people, as he said, is like a PR 874 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: problem for Israel. You heard him say, like you're losing 875 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: all this support around the world. You know, you shouldn't 876 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 1: do that, et cetera, etc. He keeps coming back to 877 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: it as like a messaging and PR problem, not like 878 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: a reality problem for Israel. But he got asked about 879 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: the Chuck Schumer comments calling for a new government to 880 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: be elected after the war is over, and let me 881 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,959 Speaker 1: reach you this because he gets into the Israel lobby 882 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: and it's again one of these things that like, you 883 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: can't imagine really any other Republican politician exactly saying these 884 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: particular things. So he says, I think it's a terrible 885 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: thing to do with regard to Schumer because it takes 886 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: all of your momentum away because they watched and they 887 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: watched the government, they watch the people what's going on. 888 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: It shows great division in the United States. You have 889 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: to have support, and you don't have the support you 890 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: used to have. Some fifteen years ago, Israel had the 891 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: strongest lobby. If you were a politician, you couldn't say 892 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 1: anything bad about Israel. That would be like the end 893 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: of your political career. Today it's almost the opposite, not true, 894 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: but anyway, put that aside, I'm never seen you have 895 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: AOC plus three these lunatics. Frankly goes on like random 896 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: rave about AOC and Rashida Tuli. Then he goes on 897 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: to say, and fifteen years ago that would have been 898 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,359 Speaker 1: unthinkable to be doing that. So Israel has to get 899 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: Israel has to get better with the promotional and with 900 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: the public relations because right now they're in ruin. They're 901 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,760 Speaker 1: being hurt very badly, I think in a public relations sense. 902 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 3: So anyway, some opinions. 903 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: Offered there about the importance and strength of the Israel 904 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: lobby from mister Trump. 905 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 2: He knows, right, this is what I mean about it. 906 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,399 Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing is he just is looking 907 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,760 Speaker 1: out for I don't think Trump is ideological about Israel. 908 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: I think it's purely transactional. 909 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 2: Right. 910 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,760 Speaker 1: You know, he got a lot of money from Sheldon 911 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: Nodelson last time around their other influential donors who for 912 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: whom this is a really key issue. He sees where 913 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: the Republican Party is and it's like, all right, well 914 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: this is just where I'm going to be. But to 915 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: your point, there's I think two other pieces going on. 916 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 1: First of all, he has a personal grievance with nan 917 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: Yahoo because he accepted the legitimacy of Joe Biden's. 918 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 2: Election, says one of the first. That's right, Yeah, so he. 919 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: Has a personal grievance with Naaniaho. And second of all, 920 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,440 Speaker 1: I think you're right that he sniffs out you know 921 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden has a real problem on this issue 922 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: with regard. 923 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 3: To his base. 924 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: So he feels like if I can even gesture it, 925 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: like we need to end this. 926 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:19,919 Speaker 3: This is too much. 927 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: There needs to be a piece that that can help 928 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: to drive that divide in the Democratic Party. 929 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 3: But you know, I mean I. 930 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: Also think I was even as these comments were all 931 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: over the map, and like I said, I think you 932 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: can kind of take from them whatever you want. To 933 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: the extent that Nan Yahu was thinking, you know, I 934 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: just need to keep this going, and Donald Trump's going 935 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: to get elected and he's just gonna let me do 936 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: whatever I want. You have to at least call into 937 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: question whether that would actually be the case based on 938 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: these comments that. 939 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 2: Bass no loyalty, is no ideology, And this was a 940 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 2: major problem during the administration. We never knew what we 941 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,919 Speaker 2: were going to get. On the one hand, we're pulling 942 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 2: out Afghanistan. The other hand, we're hiring John Bolton, So 943 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 2: which is it right? You know, so we never really know. 944 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 2: I really didn't care about policy, But what he does 945 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 2: care about is bad headline. And there are several moments 946 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 2: I'll never really forget from interviewing and meeting Trump. But 947 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 2: I can't go into too much detail. But there was 948 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 2: one instance where we're insinuating something that would have caused 949 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 2: him a bad headline, and he freaked out at a 950 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 2: personal level that I had never seen him react before, 951 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 2: and it was really in some of those moments kind 952 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 2: of covering him up close, that you could just see like, 953 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 2: this is what makes him tick. And so to the 954 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 2: extent that he's quote unquote loyal to Israel, it's like, yeah, 955 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,399 Speaker 2: maybe from a campaign perspective, but if he gets into 956 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 2: office and you're bb and you said the wrong thing 957 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 2: about Biden, or if he can sense that this is 958 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 2: going to be bad for him politically, he's going to 959 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 2: cut you loose no matter what. And that's why I 960 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 2: think you are correct. I mean, the Trump is simply 961 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,800 Speaker 2: the master of saying everything to everyone. That's part of 962 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 2: the reason why he is as successful as he is. 963 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 2: That's why people often articulate his meandering rhetoric that is 964 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 2: all over the place. But I've often found it's actually 965 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 2: a major strength for him because his supporters can see 966 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 2: be like no, no, no, he's the candidate of peace, or 967 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 2: he's a candidate of strength. Neo cons and you know, 968 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 2: isolationists alike can find whatever they want in some of 969 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 2: his rhetoric, and I think that's how he's going to 970 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 2: continue on this issue. He'll never come down as stridently 971 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,479 Speaker 2: as a Tom Cotton or any of these other folk 972 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,359 Speaker 2: because he doesn't believe it. He really doesn't well. 973 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 3: And in that way, I mean Biden is deeply ideal. 974 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 2: He is very ideological. I think Deathe's. 975 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: Locked in ideological pro Israel Zionists on this issue, which 976 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: is why he's been willing to I mean, he's risking 977 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: his entire reelect over this issue. If you just look 978 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: at the numbers, how important this has become for young voters, 979 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: for Arab America, for Muslim Americans, for Black Americans. I mean, 980 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: there is the core of the Democratic base is there. 981 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 3: There is a significant. 982 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: Portion that is deeply distraught over what is happening and 983 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: what this president is not just sitting back and watching happen, 984 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: but is shipping the weapons for and supporting diplomatically and 985 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, enabling in every way that he possis can't 986 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,759 Speaker 1: So he is actually willing to risk Trump getting re 987 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: elected for his ideological zeal and commitment on the issue. 988 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 1: Trump is just purely transactional. Now within the Republican Party context, 989 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,720 Speaker 1: it has always been the case. I shouldn't say always, 990 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: because actually if you go back to George H. W. 991 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 1: Bush and Reagan, they were definitely better on this issue 992 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: than Joe Biden and willing to stand up to Israel 993 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: in certain instances, but in the modern Republican Party context, 994 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,800 Speaker 1: that transactional math has always landed you on the side 995 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 1: of let me just do you know whatever Israel wants, 996 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,759 Speaker 1: let me back them at every turn, et cetera. 997 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 3: I don't really expect that to be. 998 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: Different, but you know, it's classic Trump just to embody, 999 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,800 Speaker 1: the way that he can say two things basically at once. 1000 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: You know, he says, go and do what you have 1001 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: to do, but you don't do that. So which is it? 1002 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 1: Do you do what you have to do from their 1003 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: perspective or do you not do that? And again, you 1004 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: can kind of read into that whatever you want to 1005 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: read into that. I actually when I that, I just 1006 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,240 Speaker 1: burst out laughing because it is so classic classic Trump. 1007 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 1: It's like Trump AI. If you asked Trump AI to 1008 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: respond to this question, that's what they'd say. 1009 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 2: I just realized Trump AI is almost literally impossible because 1010 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 2: he's so all over the map. You could never program 1011 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 2: that level of randomness into Trump's Trump is always going 1012 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 2: to have a job, and he's also really old, so 1013 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 2: he probably won't live to see it. All right, let's 1014 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 2: move on to the legal front regarding mister Trump, There's 1015 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 2: been some major developments on the money side. A huge 1016 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 2: victory for him yesterday and Court, let's go and put 1017 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. Court has agreed to 1018 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 2: pause that collection of the four hundred million dollar judgment 1019 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 2: against Trump if he is able to put up a 1020 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five million dollar bond within ten days. Quote. 1021 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 2: If Trump does it, it will then stop the on 1022 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 2: collection and prevent the state from seizing presumptive assets while 1023 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 2: he appeals. The appeals Court has also halted other aspects 1024 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 2: of the trial judges ruling that had barred Trump and 1025 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,280 Speaker 2: his son Eric and Don Junior from serving in corporate 1026 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 2: leadership from years, so they will retain leadership over their 1027 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 2: current business assets. Quote. In all, the order was a 1028 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 2: significant victory for Trump as he defends the real estate 1029 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 2: empire that vaulted him into public life, and it came 1030 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 2: just after Letitia James was expected to then initiate the 1031 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 2: effort to collect the judgment. So Crystal a much more 1032 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 2: manageable amount of money at one hundred and seventy five 1033 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 2: million dollars, especially whenever you combine it with some of 1034 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 2: the windfall that he's just received in his Truth Social 1035 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 2: IPO that is expected. Actually, Trump just yesterday, if everybody 1036 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,160 Speaker 2: wants to know, officially cracked the top five hundred richest 1037 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 2: Americans with his network, getting six billion dollars according to 1038 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,359 Speaker 2: Forbes magazine. So he's actually richer than ever today. Then 1039 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 2: he was previously expected one hundred and seventy five million. Previously, 1040 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,320 Speaker 2: you and I had discussed he had a line on 1041 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 2: a possible one hundred million dollar bond, So he was 1042 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 2: able to get a bond, and he could come up 1043 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,319 Speaker 2: with some seventy five million dollars, then he might be 1044 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 2: able to stave off of this. That's him. He still 1045 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,719 Speaker 2: has got ten more days. But this is a far 1046 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 2: far cry from the bankruptcy in the asset seizure which 1047 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 2: we all expected previously. 1048 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 3: For sure. 1049 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 1: For Trump's part, he insisted on truth Social back on 1050 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: Friday that he does have almost five hundred million dollars 1051 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,319 Speaker 1: in cash. He wants to be able to use some 1052 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 1: of that on his presidential run, which is nonsense. Even 1053 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,920 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, remember those he promised to put a 1054 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,879 Speaker 1: bunch of his own cash in his presidential campaign never 1055 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: came anywhere. Close to what he said he was going 1056 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 1: to do. But he's saying that, you know, the judge 1057 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 1: doesn't want me taking cash out to use it for 1058 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,440 Speaker 1: the campaign. So that's why the half a billion dollars 1059 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: was assessed. So anyway, he's he's sticking to the line, Oh, 1060 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: I actually have the money, is not really a problem, 1061 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,759 Speaker 1: but I just don't really want to use it for 1062 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: this regard. So we'll see what happens here in terms 1063 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,840 Speaker 1: of yeah, I mean, it's still a lot of money, 1064 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: but he probably can more easily come up with us one. 1065 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,719 Speaker 2: That's the irony if you had half a billion dollars 1066 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 2: in cash here, freaking idiot, even no financial advisor whatever 1067 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 2: to do that. Imagine if that segment about of your 1068 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 2: net worth was a liquid cash. That's incredibly foolish from 1069 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,360 Speaker 2: a financial perspective. But he's so concerned with the bravado 1070 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 2: and the appearance that he has to pretend that that 1071 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,880 Speaker 2: is the case. Let's go to the next part. This 1072 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,080 Speaker 2: is also very very important. The New York hush money 1073 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,800 Speaker 2: case now officially has a trial date set for April fifteenth, 1074 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 2: also known as tax Day, coincidentally, tearing quote into the 1075 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 2: presidential Foreign president's lawyers for what he said were unfounded 1076 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,839 Speaker 2: claims that the hush money case had been tainted by 1077 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,320 Speaker 2: prosecutorial conduct. The judge now officially set the case, despite 1078 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,600 Speaker 2: defense's calls to continue the delay and to throw it 1079 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 2: out entirely from a last minute document dump, so they say, 1080 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 2: barring now perhaps another delay, which is on the horizon, 1081 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 2: the presumptive Republican nominee will be on trial as a 1082 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 2: criminal defendant in just three weeks. And the trial, though, 1083 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 2: is of course going around the Stormy Daniels hush money 1084 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 2: case payment, a very novel legal interpretation under New York 1085 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 2: state law hasn't happened before. Even if convicted Crystal, it's 1086 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 2: very likely to go to appeals and actually, you know, 1087 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 2: set some standard as to whether this was even allowed. Uh, 1088 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 2: definitely the weakest of all of the criminal cases against Trump. 1089 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,400 Speaker 2: But of course, anytime you find yourself in the jaws 1090 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 2: of the criminal justice system, it's not great. 1091 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it is a Tawdrey yeah situation. Sure, 1092 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: if it wasn't Trump, this would be a career ender 1093 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: for pretty much any politician, right, I mean it's kind 1094 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,760 Speaker 1: of like John Edwards esque. 1095 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but which Edwards was. Edwards was not 1096 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 2: a billionaire playboy, but he he was like supposedly. 1097 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying that Trump gets away with 1098 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: shit that nobody else of course, Yeah, but I mean 1099 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,879 Speaker 1: it's destroyed, destroyed John Edwards political career. 1100 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:44,399 Speaker 3: It was over. 1101 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 2: That was it. 1102 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 3: Even though jury ultimately you know what they identify. 1103 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 2: I think it was either a mistrial or are they yeah. 1104 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,160 Speaker 1: They he didn't wasn't found guilty. Something happened in the trial. 1105 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, but anyway, he wasn't found guilty. 1106 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,400 Speaker 1: But I mean, it is that type of like Tawdrey 1107 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,400 Speaker 1: sordid cover we were up using campaign funds, etc. So, 1108 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,839 Speaker 1: you know, just to play devil's advocate here, I don't 1109 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,840 Speaker 1: want to discount that this could actually be potentially impactful 1110 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,439 Speaker 1: for the public and to you know, offer that side 1111 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: of the case. We can put this up on the 1112 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: screen for whatever reason. Biden does seem to be having 1113 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of a polling bounce right now, so 1114 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,879 Speaker 1: he for the first time in quite a while, has 1115 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 1: now surged past Trump in the This is the Economist 1116 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: average of polls. So we've got Biden at forty five, 1117 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,919 Speaker 1: Trump at forty four. I just saw some swing state 1118 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: polling this morning that actually looked decent for Biden, had 1119 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: him tied in a few key swing states. We haven't 1120 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 1: been seeing that for a little while, so there's enough 1121 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,359 Speaker 1: of a trend now that it does seem like he's 1122 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: getting a little bit of a bounce. There's a variety 1123 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,000 Speaker 1: of reasons that could be the case. One it could 1124 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 1: be that people were so impressed with his incredible. 1125 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:50,640 Speaker 3: State of a Union performance. 1126 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: Can you tell him being a little sarcastic here that 1127 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: they But I genuinely think he outperformed the very very 1128 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,680 Speaker 1: very low expectations of like can you walk up to 1129 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: the stage and like not have a visible health event 1130 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,279 Speaker 1: while you're delivering the speech. He did that, and so 1131 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: it could be That's part of why I do think 1132 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,360 Speaker 1: it's possible that. Another reason is potentially that, you know, 1133 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: the Trump legal issues have been more in the news 1134 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: and more front and center, and that would be taking 1135 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,399 Speaker 1: a toll on Trump. So I just want to hold 1136 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,359 Speaker 1: out the possibility that even though this trial is seen 1137 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,400 Speaker 1: as like the lesser of all of the various criminal 1138 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 1: charges that he's facing, the details are in some ways 1139 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: the most and are relatable. They're the most scandalous, you know, 1140 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,240 Speaker 1: And just the idea of him being a criminal defendant 1141 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,640 Speaker 1: and being in front of a jury and the case 1142 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: being made and all these allegations being put against him, 1143 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,560 Speaker 1: it could have a public impact. I don't want to 1144 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: totally dismiss that out. 1145 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,439 Speaker 2: Let's not dismiss it. You're right, and let's be fair 1146 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,440 Speaker 2: that Trump's you know, personality and stop the steal and 1147 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,719 Speaker 2: the madness and all of that. It had a huge 1148 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 2: impact in twenty twenty two. Yeah, so we can't discount. 1149 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,719 Speaker 2: That's the reason I'm willing to discount this one a 1150 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 2: little bit is this is so baked into the original 1151 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty thesis and didn't have any impact then. I mean, 1152 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 2: when I think Stormy Daniels, what am I thinking? Michael 1153 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 2: Abnatti freaking CNN and all the other media madness that 1154 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 2: we had to live through. I would say was washed 1155 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,439 Speaker 2: for everybody involved. Now, when I'm thinking January sixth, criminal tryal, 1156 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 2: I'm thinking a very different story. When I'm thinking criminal documents, 1157 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 2: I'm thinking a different story, Georgia, I'm thinking of different story. 1158 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,279 Speaker 2: So I think there are gradations within this this one 1159 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,040 Speaker 2: in particular, I think it's so baked in. Stormy Daniels 1160 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 2: had her moment, you know, Avanati had his moment. This 1161 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,800 Speaker 2: is all people know, everything there is to know about 1162 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,920 Speaker 2: this case already, and the whole case Crystal was made 1163 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,120 Speaker 2: prior to the twenty twenty election, Michael Cohen pleading guilty, 1164 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,759 Speaker 2: et cetera. That's the only reason on this one specifically, 1165 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,040 Speaker 2: I'm saying I don't think so as much. 1166 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,000 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm genuinely fifty fifty because. 1167 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: The other possibility is that just that normally reaction of 1168 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: like there you are facing criminal, like you're a potential criminal, right, yeah, 1169 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,440 Speaker 1: felon you charged you? Okay, they don't you know, the 1170 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,400 Speaker 1: no legal application or whatever. They're looking at this and like, 1171 00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, this was a messed up situation, you handled 1172 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 1: it in a disgusting way and probably in a legal 1173 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 1: way as well. And now your ass has been dragged 1174 00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: in front of a trial jury to answer these criminal charges. 1175 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 3: So I could see it just there's. 1176 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,920 Speaker 1: Also just that Trump has benefited I think from the 1177 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,400 Speaker 1: fact that he has been for a while he was 1178 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 1: a little bit. 1179 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,760 Speaker 3: On the back burner in terms of a public person. 1180 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't in people's faces every single day, and so 1181 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,800 Speaker 1: there was an ability for some of the memories of 1182 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: what it's like with Trump, what he's all about, all 1183 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,520 Speaker 1: these various scandals and things from the past, and so 1184 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,800 Speaker 1: for people to have a reminder of that, of his character, 1185 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: of this just messiness that constantly surrounds him, it can't 1186 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 1: be a good thing for him. You know, I certainly 1187 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 1: don't think if you're thinking that, oh, this is going 1188 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 1: to in or to his benefit with the general public 1189 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: in order to benefit with Republican base. Fine, but he's 1190 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 1: already won the Republican nomination with the general public, I 1191 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be a benefit for him. 1192 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,440 Speaker 3: And I could. 1193 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,560 Speaker 1: Easily see it being an actual somewhat of an issue 1194 00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,439 Speaker 1: for him. And I'm just talking about, you know, maybe 1195 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,320 Speaker 1: a few points in the polls which could make the difference. 1196 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,200 Speaker 3: So who knows. Very gotcha unfold? 1197 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 2: All right, So, we did have a pre recorded segment 1198 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 2: that we did with Matt Stoler yesterday about the Boeing 1199 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,400 Speaker 2: CEO stepping down and so some of the problems they're 1200 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,480 Speaker 2: getting into it. Matt gave us some really really insightful analysis. 1201 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,720 Speaker 1: So let's take a listen to that, all right, guys, 1202 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,640 Speaker 1: we have some big breaking news with regard to Boeing. This, 1203 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,040 Speaker 1: of course in the wake of major safety issues and 1204 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: huge questions, especially surrounding the death of a Boeing whistleblower. 1205 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,000 Speaker 1: Can put this up on the screen from CNN. So 1206 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 1: Boeing CEO Dave Calhoun is going to step down. This 1207 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,960 Speaker 1: is part of a larger shakeup of the company's leadership. 1208 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,800 Speaker 1: Apparently Boeing's chairman and the head of the commercial airplane 1209 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,920 Speaker 1: unit are also leaving. The CEO will not be out immediately, 1210 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: but he is planning to leave what they describe as 1211 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,160 Speaker 1: the beleaguered company by the. 1212 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 3: End of the year. 1213 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,680 Speaker 1: And just so happens, we have a great guy here 1214 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,080 Speaker 1: to talk about all of this. Matt Stoler is the 1215 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,800 Speaker 1: author of Goliath. He also works at the American Economic 1216 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: Liberties Project and writes at the Substack Big and he 1217 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,320 Speaker 1: is here to react to this news. 1218 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 9: Great to have you met, Thanks, thanks for having me. 1219 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1220 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:14,040 Speaker 3: Of course, so are Boeing's problems overall. But they fixed. 1221 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,400 Speaker 9: It's fixed. It's great. 1222 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,560 Speaker 10: No, I mean, there's a lot to say about this, 1223 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:23,320 Speaker 10: but Boeing has a history of having their CEOs resign 1224 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,000 Speaker 10: and being like, oh, you know, everything is fixed. So 1225 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 10: I think this happened in like two thousand and three, 1226 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,600 Speaker 10: It's happened at other you know, and also high level executives. 1227 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,800 Speaker 10: Oh we're caught for bribery, like whoa, whoops, because they 1228 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,120 Speaker 10: have a big defense unity. They just what they do 1229 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 10: is they if you are the one who gets caught, 1230 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,720 Speaker 10: then they will then you'll say, resign, will pay you. 1231 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,080 Speaker 9: Off and you go away. 1232 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,680 Speaker 10: But the rule at Boeing is don't get caught, not 1233 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 10: like let's hit your stumps, right, So it's it's also 1234 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 10: he's not resigning. He's going to stay there until twenty 1235 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,840 Speaker 10: you know, for the rest of the year. Yeah, which 1236 00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,040 Speaker 10: is it's you know, it's it's March. Like that's a 1237 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,720 Speaker 10: lot of that's like a baby, right, that's a whole bit. 1238 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,120 Speaker 10: I mean like go away, right, like it can't either 1239 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,360 Speaker 10: your take responsibility for it and you resign tomorrow or 1240 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 10: you're not. And like this is it's like classic you know, 1241 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,080 Speaker 10: halfassing it right. No, Boeing needs to be nationalized. It 1242 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,720 Speaker 10: is a disaster. It's not a viable enterprise right now. 1243 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 10: They're not making safe planes. 1244 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Take us back to how this all happens. So everything 1245 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,439 Speaker 2: January five, The door plug blows off seven thirty seven 1246 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,520 Speaker 2: Max nine. David Calhoun specifically was brought in to fix 1247 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,880 Speaker 2: the problems of the updated software system that leads to 1248 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 2: the death of some five hundred people previously. That's his 1249 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 2: entire plan. But what really gets revealed is like the 1250 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,880 Speaker 2: rot of Boeing itself, which you've done a lot of work, right, 1251 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 2: So give us the backstory about the you know about 1252 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,480 Speaker 2: airline deregulation, Boeing financialization, spinning off Spirit error Systems, which 1253 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,800 Speaker 2: coincidentally is now involved you know here, and now they're 1254 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 2: buying it back. Well, how the hell did this happen? 1255 01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,320 Speaker 10: Yeah, so Boeing was a crown jewel of American air engineering. Right, 1256 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,200 Speaker 10: It's one of the best companies we've ever created. So 1257 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 10: to understand how it got ruined, you have to start 1258 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 10: with the customers. So the airlines. Boeing has a big 1259 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,480 Speaker 10: defense arm that's always been corrupt and terrible. But this 1260 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,919 Speaker 10: is a company that they designed the B fifty two 1261 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,480 Speaker 10: in like a weekend. They made amazing flying machines. They 1262 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,280 Speaker 10: also were always disciplined by competition. Okay, but in the 1263 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 10: nineteen seventies we decided to deregulate airlines. And what's important 1264 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 10: about airline deregulation is that before deregulation, airlines were public utilities, 1265 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,560 Speaker 10: and so if you had cost right as an airline, 1266 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 10: the government would say, all right, you have a certain 1267 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,040 Speaker 10: amount of cost, we're going to say you make ten 1268 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,360 Speaker 10: percent on that right. And that's just the way it works, 1269 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 10: and so there's no incentive to skimp. There's no incentive 1270 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 10: skimp on customer like service, on flights, on anything you 1271 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 10: serve people's stake, you make a ten percent profit on that. 1272 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,160 Speaker 10: So there are problems with the public utility model because 1273 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,720 Speaker 10: it leads to inflating costs, but you're never incentivized to 1274 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,920 Speaker 10: screw people over, screw workers over because. 1275 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:04,480 Speaker 9: You make less money. 1276 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,280 Speaker 10: Deregulation flipped that, and deregulation said, now we're going to 1277 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,360 Speaker 10: move to a system where you're just trying to take 1278 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,440 Speaker 10: cost out to make things more efficient. 1279 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,320 Speaker 9: So what happens, well, they break their. 1280 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,520 Speaker 10: Unions, they start to screw their customers, they find all 1281 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,720 Speaker 10: sorts of ways to do junk fees. They're not actually 1282 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,400 Speaker 10: more profitable, like airlines periodically have to be built out, 1283 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,120 Speaker 10: but they cut service to lots of regional cities, so 1284 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,320 Speaker 10: the air grade is different today than it used to be. 1285 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,880 Speaker 10: But they also start negotiation negotiating much more aggressively with 1286 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 10: aerospace producers like Boeing, and Boeing starts to change the 1287 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 10: way that they that they price. So, for example, Boeing said, 1288 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,840 Speaker 10: when they developed the seven three seven Max, will give 1289 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,800 Speaker 10: you a rebate of a million dollars if you have 1290 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,320 Speaker 10: to change the way you train pilots. So they one 1291 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,360 Speaker 10: of the reasons the reason that they screwed up the 1292 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,280 Speaker 10: seven three seven Max design is because they were like, 1293 01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,680 Speaker 10: we don't want to change all the airport infrastructure. We 1294 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,320 Speaker 10: don't want to have to train on We're going to 1295 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,880 Speaker 10: tell all our clients they don't have to get their 1296 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,280 Speaker 10: pilots retrained on new hardware. This is going to be 1297 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 10: the same thing. But of course it was designed poorly 1298 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,160 Speaker 10: because the engines were too big for the body of 1299 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:15,800 Speaker 10: the airplane. Now one of the so the airline deregulation 1300 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,000 Speaker 10: was part of a whole financialization of the American economy. 1301 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,760 Speaker 10: So in the nineteen nineties it finally slams into Boeing, 1302 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:27,960 Speaker 10: and there's only one other commercial aerospace maker by the 1303 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,680 Speaker 10: nineteen nineties aside for Boeing, that's McDonald douglas, and the 1304 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,840 Speaker 10: government says, we love efficiency and we love monopolies. And 1305 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,880 Speaker 10: Boeing is a super high tech, awesome company run by 1306 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,200 Speaker 10: very sophisticated people. They make the best stuff in the world. 1307 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,840 Speaker 10: Very similar to Apple, very similar to Google, very similar 1308 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,200 Speaker 10: to Amazon. So they said, you know what, by McDonald 1309 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:51,600 Speaker 10: douglas's commercial aerospace unit, even though that will clearly reduce competition, 1310 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,440 Speaker 10: it will create a domestic monopoly and the only other 1311 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,080 Speaker 10: competitor will be Airbus. So the government pushed Boeing do this. 1312 01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 10: Boeing didn't need a lot of pushing. Boeing also pushed 1313 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,000 Speaker 10: the government to let them do it, and when that happened, 1314 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:08,240 Speaker 10: Boeing flipped and financialized. So this was this was this 1315 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,400 Speaker 10: a clin administration. So this is nineteen ninety six, ninety seven, ninety. 1316 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:16,240 Speaker 2: Eight, right, it's like peak nineties. Yeah, it's like you know, yeah, 1317 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,680 Speaker 2: like Mockerine is on the stage, yeh. 1318 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,560 Speaker 10: The you know, Jennifer Anderston haircut, yeah, thing right, Yeah, 1319 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:27,439 Speaker 10: that's right. And so Boeing merges with McDonald douglas. There's 1320 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,000 Speaker 10: no more domestic competition. So if you're an aerospace engineer, 1321 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,760 Speaker 10: you don't like Boeing too bad, nowhere else to work. 1322 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,120 Speaker 10: If you're a supplier and you're supplying bowing too bad, 1323 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,000 Speaker 10: nowhere else, like you have one option maybe too right, 1324 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,480 Speaker 10: and you know Aeros Airbus it's European right, so they 1325 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:49,920 Speaker 10: take forever to do things. I'm and no, I mean today, 1326 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 10: if you want to get a jet from Airbus, it's 1327 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,320 Speaker 10: twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight until you can 1328 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,160 Speaker 10: deliver because there's so much demand. 1329 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,080 Speaker 9: So okay, So. 1330 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,320 Speaker 10: What starts to happen in almost immediately when the mergers, 1331 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,360 Speaker 10: when the merger happens is there's a fight between the 1332 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:12,680 Speaker 10: NBA Wienies, the being counters and the engineers. 1333 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,680 Speaker 9: And the engineers have always had a lot. 1334 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,760 Speaker 10: Of power at Boeing because they go to the NBA 1335 01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,240 Speaker 10: whenies and they say, give us a bunch of money, 1336 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:19,280 Speaker 10: we'll design a cool plane. 1337 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,240 Speaker 9: And it always worked before, so usually they said yes. 1338 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,400 Speaker 10: But in nineteen ninety six seven eight, they were like, no, 1339 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:26,920 Speaker 10: we are now going. 1340 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:27,640 Speaker 9: To offshore things. 1341 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,720 Speaker 10: We are going to do things in a completely different way, 1342 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,880 Speaker 10: and we're going to you know, you guys are no 1343 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,640 Speaker 10: longer an advantage for the company. You're a cost center. 1344 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,440 Speaker 10: These are the engineering people, right, the workers, the people 1345 01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,520 Speaker 10: that make the planes and have the embedded knowledge to 1346 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,760 Speaker 10: actually construct these things. And so they go after them, 1347 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,400 Speaker 10: and the end the being counters win and they start 1348 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,040 Speaker 10: to cut safety, they start to you know, there's the 1349 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,280 Speaker 10: first strike of the engineers. Ever like it was a 1350 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,240 Speaker 10: white collar union. There was more like a debating society 1351 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,680 Speaker 10: or a club. And then they actually go on strike 1352 01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,240 Speaker 10: in the in the early two thousands. And the first 1353 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,040 Speaker 10: plane that's built with the new outsourcing model is the 1354 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,240 Speaker 10: seventy to seven Dreamliner. 1355 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,919 Speaker 9: It's sort of a disaster. Yeah, Boeing moves. 1356 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,200 Speaker 10: Yeah, Boeing moves their headquarters from Seattle to Chicago so 1357 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,240 Speaker 10: they don't have to be near the people they're laying off. 1358 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,880 Speaker 10: They move a lot of work to South Carolina because 1359 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,840 Speaker 10: it's because it's non union. And now they move their 1360 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 10: headquarters to DC because for lobbying purposes, and so it 1361 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,480 Speaker 10: just gradually and the seventy seven max is that was 1362 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,680 Speaker 10: the culmination where they decided to make explicitly unsafe, bad 1363 01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:35,640 Speaker 10: engineering decisions for financial reasons. And they haven't really fixed it. 1364 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,120 Speaker 10: I mean, the software patch is better, but that needs 1365 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,520 Speaker 10: to be completely re engineered, and that's why they also 1366 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,680 Speaker 10: didn't fix any of the I mean the door blowout 1367 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,439 Speaker 10: with Alaska Air. 1368 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,520 Speaker 9: That's not some big engineering thing. 1369 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,680 Speaker 10: That's just like the dudes just didn't put these crews 1370 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,840 Speaker 10: in right, Like that's like, that's like very very bad, right, 1371 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,600 Speaker 10: just they were not doing quality checks. 1372 01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:57,960 Speaker 9: So it's embarrassing. 1373 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,200 Speaker 10: But also that whole culture that was put in there 1374 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,280 Speaker 10: in the nineties of being counters who are super hostile 1375 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,920 Speaker 10: to safety, to consumers, to customers, to workers. 1376 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,240 Speaker 9: They need to be removed. They need to be pulled 1377 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,680 Speaker 9: out of that institution. 1378 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,920 Speaker 10: I think it needs to be nationalized and the company 1379 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,360 Speaker 10: needs to be restructured. Otherwise, we have all of these 1380 01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,840 Speaker 10: planes that are Boeing planes and people are terrified to 1381 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:24,160 Speaker 10: fly on. 1382 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,920 Speaker 2: Them, as they should be, and that I mean, how 1383 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,920 Speaker 2: many billions of dollars we build these people out right? 1384 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,280 Speaker 2: I mean that's what people would be like, Oh, you're 1385 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,960 Speaker 2: messing with private enterprise. I'm like, okay, but you know 1386 01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,080 Speaker 2: how many fifty billion, one hundred billion just in the 1387 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,160 Speaker 2: last decade or so if we go back to to 1388 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,680 Speaker 2: the two thousand and one is probably even more a 1389 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,360 Speaker 2: term number of taxpayer dollars that we've used to prop 1390 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:42,320 Speaker 2: up the Boeing company. 1391 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,320 Speaker 10: Yeah yeah. In the Cares Act right during the during 1392 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,919 Speaker 10: the pandemic, they put a twenty five billion dollar line 1393 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,080 Speaker 10: item for like it was not They. 1394 01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,920 Speaker 9: Didn't say Boeing. They were like for a national security 1395 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 9: aerospace company that rhymes with shmowing. 1396 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,840 Speaker 10: Yeah, and you know, and then they didn't have to 1397 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,920 Speaker 10: take the money because they could just borrow money at 1398 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,600 Speaker 10: preferential interes states because everyone knew, okay, Boeing is. 1399 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,240 Speaker 9: A federal taking care of Yeah. 1400 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, so you can't you can't even measure it right 1401 01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,439 Speaker 10: because everybody you know Boeing is too big to fail. 1402 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,160 Speaker 10: It's it's essentially a government. When I say nationalized, I 1403 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,520 Speaker 10: don't mean you know, we need to take it over 1404 01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,479 Speaker 10: like we it is, we own it. I mean we've 1405 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,479 Speaker 10: been backstopping it for a long time as you owe it, 1406 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,000 Speaker 10: so like we should just formally take it over, restructure it, 1407 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:24,920 Speaker 10: probably break it up so that you know, you have 1408 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,960 Speaker 10: the defense arm and then maybe you create a couple 1409 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,760 Speaker 10: of civilian aerospace makers, reintroduce some competition, and that's that's 1410 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,080 Speaker 10: the way that you definancialize this industry. 1411 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,680 Speaker 1: How does the FAA fit into this picture where their 1412 01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,280 Speaker 1: failures there as well. Is that also part of this 1413 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:41,960 Speaker 1: deregulatory train t. 1414 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,360 Speaker 10: Yeah, so so it's a great question. So this gets 1415 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,000 Speaker 10: to like a question of political economy. Right prior to deregulation, 1416 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,559 Speaker 10: because costs are not a problem but a benefit, they 1417 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,040 Speaker 10: didn't want to get. They didn't want to gut their regulators. 1418 01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,439 Speaker 10: Regulators were fine if regulators imposed costs on them. Cool, 1419 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,519 Speaker 10: that's just more money, right, that's another ten percent a profit. 1420 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,679 Speaker 10: Right after deregulation, all of a sudden, the airline industry 1421 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,280 Speaker 10: and Boeing and the aerospace makers are lobbing to gut 1422 01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,760 Speaker 10: the FAA, and so you see this systemic reduction in 1423 01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:20,559 Speaker 10: funding and ultimately Boeing is they they're doing voluntary like 1424 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,600 Speaker 10: self regulation because there just aren't even enough inspectors. And 1425 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,080 Speaker 10: the political economy, there's no political support to actually regulate 1426 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,280 Speaker 10: the industry, either the airlines or Boeing. Now under Trump, 1427 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,240 Speaker 10: and this was a real embarrassment to the FAA and 1428 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:44,000 Speaker 10: to frankly, the America when the Max crashed right for 1429 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,000 Speaker 10: the second time. America is renowned for having the best 1430 01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,439 Speaker 10: aviation regulators in the world. People followed us, right because 1431 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:52,320 Speaker 10: we were really good. 1432 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:53,160 Speaker 2: And care about safety. 1433 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,120 Speaker 9: Trump was the last. 1434 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,519 Speaker 10: This was I think a under Trump, America was the 1435 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,759 Speaker 10: last country to ground the MAX, which was awful. 1436 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,400 Speaker 9: I mean there, it was just awful. 1437 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 10: Right and under Biden, and I'm not a Biden partisan. 1438 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,960 Speaker 10: There are a lot of parts of the bidenmistration that 1439 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,920 Speaker 10: have been really problematic. But the FAA, first of all, 1440 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,840 Speaker 10: has the first has a full time administrator. It's always 1441 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,959 Speaker 10: been acting because they never send an never bothered confirmator. 1442 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,639 Speaker 10: They actually have one, and they've been very aggressive. They've 1443 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,679 Speaker 10: put caps on the number of planes Bowing can produce, 1444 01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,280 Speaker 10: which hits their cash flow, which hurts. 1445 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:31,880 Speaker 9: It hurts. 1446 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,280 Speaker 10: They have inspectors on the ground actually looking at the 1447 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,320 Speaker 10: safety systems. They're being very aggressive. They also are thinking 1448 01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,280 Speaker 10: of putting a cap on the growth of United Airlines, 1449 01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,960 Speaker 10: which is super aggressive because of safety problems there. And 1450 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,280 Speaker 10: so what you're seeing is actual governance from the FAA 1451 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:52,640 Speaker 10: and the Department of Transportation. 1452 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:53,920 Speaker 9: It's not enough, and. 1453 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,160 Speaker 10: We have to restructure the political economy of the whole industry, 1454 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,599 Speaker 10: but it is something, and that is more than we've 1455 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 10: had in a really long time. 1456 01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,680 Speaker 1: And lastly, Matt, what did you make of these specifics 1457 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,200 Speaker 1: of the whistleblower who was found dead in the middle 1458 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,800 Speaker 1: of his deposition. But what did you make of the 1459 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,599 Speaker 1: specifics of the allegations he was making about Boeing and 1460 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,840 Speaker 1: what they had to lose with this individual who by 1461 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,080 Speaker 1: all accounts was very credible, who was billing the tea 1462 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,040 Speaker 1: about their production, especially in South Carolina. 1463 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,479 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean what I from what I understand, I mean, 1464 01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:28,680 Speaker 10: he was saying things that were pretty extraordinary about the 1465 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,680 Speaker 10: particularly the seventy seven Dreamliner, and you know, things like 1466 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:37,799 Speaker 10: how they would the managers would like steal defective parts 1467 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,680 Speaker 10: from the closet where they kept them, saying don't use 1468 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:41,000 Speaker 10: these parts. 1469 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,080 Speaker 9: They would steal them and then put them on the planes. 1470 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:44,920 Speaker 10: So like, you know, stuff like that, and it was 1471 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,680 Speaker 10: very you know, they had he had been a whistleblower 1472 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,400 Speaker 10: for seven years, but the stuff that he had been 1473 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,719 Speaker 10: he was deposed that day that he died was pretty 1474 01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,519 Speaker 10: incendiary and he was going to do more. And so 1475 01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,439 Speaker 10: you know, look, I'm not saying that Boeing killed him, right, 1476 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 10: Like it's weird that he would be found dead, but 1477 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,000 Speaker 10: they totally killed him. 1478 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,040 Speaker 9: Like why are. 1479 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,720 Speaker 2: You covering your asposes? 1480 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,519 Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, I'm just kidding, but I'm not kidding. 1481 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,320 Speaker 1: Well, there's there needs to be a fullsome investigation and 1482 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,120 Speaker 1: Boeing out a lot to lose from this man's allegations. 1483 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, look, they don't deserve the benefit of 1484 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,320 Speaker 10: the doubt. That's like, the bottom line here is that 1485 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,960 Speaker 10: they clearly the company. You know, there were when the 1486 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,960 Speaker 10: first Max crashed, Okay, that's a tragedy, but then they knew, right, 1487 01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,200 Speaker 10: the board knew that there were safety issues and they 1488 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,559 Speaker 10: didn't do anything about it, and then the second one crash. 1489 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,960 Speaker 10: So this is a company willing to kill people, right, 1490 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:37,519 Speaker 10: we know that. 1491 01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:38,120 Speaker 9: I don't. 1492 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,519 Speaker 10: You know, obviously I have no idea what happened, right, 1493 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,000 Speaker 10: But like by all accounts, the guy was not suicidal. 1494 01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,400 Speaker 10: He told friends, you know, if I die, it's not suicide. 1495 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,720 Speaker 10: And like, I think the most telling thing is that 1496 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,040 Speaker 10: his last meal was Taco Bell, and no one's last 1497 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,840 Speaker 10: meal Taco Bell. 1498 01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,439 Speaker 9: So like, I don't if. 1499 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,160 Speaker 3: I agree with that that analysis, I'm. 1500 01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,400 Speaker 2: Not going to stand for that. I like Taco Bell 1501 01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,120 Speaker 2: too much. Well, that said, I think your point is 1502 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,160 Speaker 2: taken is that, look, this is a company again that 1503 01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:08,120 Speaker 2: was criminally negligent, that avoided criminal charges. By the skin 1504 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,519 Speaker 2: of their teeth last time around. There's a lot of 1505 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,439 Speaker 2: people with a lot to lose on this when there's 1506 01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,160 Speaker 2: no reason for the DOJ not to give that, you know, 1507 01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,000 Speaker 2: not to give throw the book at him at least 1508 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,400 Speaker 2: this time around. And so man has been making very 1509 01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,280 Speaker 2: credible allegations, well very inconvenient timing. 1510 01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:25,120 Speaker 1: You know, for them, really very fortunate for them that 1511 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,040 Speaker 1: he's taken out of the picture. I'll just say that, Matt, 1512 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:28,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much. 1513 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,519 Speaker 3: Great to have you, appreciate it, apsure you. 1514 01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:31,160 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. 1515 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, our pleasure. 1516 01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:36,160 Speaker 2: Major news yesterday federal authorities reading the homes of Sean P. 1517 01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,559 Speaker 2: Diddy Combs. Let's go and put some of this up 1518 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,720 Speaker 2: there on the screen. So here we have video from 1519 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,560 Speaker 2: the sky of Los Angeles where you have Homeland Security 1520 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,640 Speaker 2: investigators dragging individuals outside of a home that was that 1521 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,240 Speaker 2: was linked to mister Shawn Combs. You can see that 1522 01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,840 Speaker 2: there are investigators that are on site. They appear to 1523 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,240 Speaker 2: be both executing a search warrant and searching all throughout 1524 01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,160 Speaker 2: the house or evidence for what appears to be tied 1525 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:07,960 Speaker 2: to a sexual misconduct investigation, even possibly involving minors with 1526 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,640 Speaker 2: the most noteworthy part of this crystal is that they 1527 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,400 Speaker 2: were simultaneous raids, both on homes in Los Angeles and 1528 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,320 Speaker 2: in Florida. In Miami, there was video that appeared to 1529 01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,719 Speaker 2: show federal investigators and authorities on some of his personal 1530 01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,920 Speaker 2: assets like boats and others. There's also been a video 1531 01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,400 Speaker 2: that has now surfaced of showing mister Combs at the 1532 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:33,040 Speaker 2: Miami Airport just like kind of pacing aimlessly. He has 1533 01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,679 Speaker 2: not yet been arrested by federal authorities and they haven't 1534 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,240 Speaker 2: really issued any details such and so forth. But a 1535 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,800 Speaker 2: lot of this just comes on the heels of what 1536 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,080 Speaker 2: have been stunning allegations against mister Combs. Let's go and 1537 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,280 Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen from the Los 1538 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,280 Speaker 2: Angeles Times. They do a decent job here of writing 1539 01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,840 Speaker 2: up some of the recent shakeups that have happened. Quote. 1540 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,320 Speaker 2: Four separate plaintiffs have now filed civil lawsuits against Combs 1541 01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,320 Speaker 2: in the last month, accusing him of rape, sex trafficking, 1542 01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,760 Speaker 2: a minor assault, and a litany of other alleged abuses, 1543 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,080 Speaker 2: imperiling his empire and sending shockwaves through the music industry. 1544 01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,000 Speaker 2: These include his former girlfriend Cassandra Ventura known as Cassie 1545 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,280 Speaker 2: accusing him of rape and forcing her to have sex 1546 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,080 Speaker 2: with male prostitutes in front of him, along with repeated 1547 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,479 Speaker 2: physical assault. Mister Combs actually settled that suit. You have 1548 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,240 Speaker 2: another woman who is accusing Combs in a suit of 1549 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,559 Speaker 2: drugging and raping her in nineteen ninety one, recording the 1550 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,720 Speaker 2: attack and then distributing that footage without her consent. A 1551 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,280 Speaker 2: third woman filed a third suit in which she claimed 1552 01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,559 Speaker 2: that Combs and Guy singer Aaron Hall sexually assaulted her, 1553 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,400 Speaker 2: and the most recent suit says that Combs and former 1554 01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,240 Speaker 2: Bad Boy label president Harve Pierre gang raped and sex 1555 01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,680 Speaker 2: trafficked a seventeen year old girl. Pierre said in a 1556 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,759 Speaker 2: statement the allegations were discussing false and a desperate attempt 1557 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,519 Speaker 2: for financial game. To be clear, Combs is denied all 1558 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,479 Speaker 2: of this. But you know, anytime that the FEDS are 1559 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,240 Speaker 2: raising two of your houses in connection with an investigation 1560 01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,120 Speaker 2: like this, it's clearly that there is something serious going 1561 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:00,920 Speaker 2: on latest that we. 1562 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,360 Speaker 1: Know on the raids of both the Miami and the 1563 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,320 Speaker 1: California homes. A Homeland Security investigation spokesperson said the raid 1564 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,479 Speaker 1: was executed as part of a quote ongoing investigation. Law 1565 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,080 Speaker 1: enforcement sources told ABC News that the search warrant was 1566 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:19,360 Speaker 1: being executed in La. Combs's sons were detained outside the home, 1567 01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:23,400 Speaker 1: as is customery in such circumstances, and then released without charges. 1568 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,559 Speaker 3: We have an official statement, they say. 1569 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,719 Speaker 1: Earlier today, Homeland Security Investigations New York executed law enforcement 1570 01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,679 Speaker 1: actions as part of an ongoing investigation with assistance from 1571 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,400 Speaker 1: HSI LA, HSI Miami, and our local law enforcement partners. 1572 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,080 Speaker 1: We will provide for their information as it becomes available, 1573 01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:46,479 Speaker 1: and law enforcement sources also said to ABC News the 1574 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,000 Speaker 1: searches are being carried out as part of a federal 1575 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,719 Speaker 1: investigation led by the Southern District of New York into 1576 01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:56,000 Speaker 1: alleged human trafficking. No criminal charges, though, have been filed 1577 01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,960 Speaker 1: in the investigation. So that's the most of what we 1578 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:00,759 Speaker 1: know about what's going going on here. 1579 01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:05,040 Speaker 3: But you know, this all started with Diddy. 1580 01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,200 Speaker 1: There had been rumors about him on different like hip 1581 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,160 Speaker 1: hop podcasts and whatever, but this all really went mainstream 1582 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:18,879 Speaker 1: when Cassie filed her suit against him, alleging years of psychological, physical, 1583 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,720 Speaker 1: and sexual abuse. Just to give you some of her allegations, 1584 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,800 Speaker 1: she accused him of rape and for forcing her to 1585 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,639 Speaker 1: have sex with male prostitutes in front of him, along 1586 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,200 Speaker 1: with repeated physical assaults. She claimed that in twenty twelve, 1587 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,439 Speaker 1: Combs told her that he was going to blow up 1588 01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:38,040 Speaker 1: the car of rap artist Kid Cutty, suspecting that Cassie 1589 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,280 Speaker 1: and Cutty were dating. The suit alleges that around that time, 1590 01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,919 Speaker 1: Kid Cutty's car did in fact explode in the driveway, 1591 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,800 Speaker 1: and Cutty told the New York Times quote, this is 1592 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,280 Speaker 1: all true. In twenty fifteen, this is a different There 1593 01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:56,080 Speaker 1: were a variety of allegations against him, alleging physical assaults too, 1594 01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,200 Speaker 1: throughout his career. I was actually as I went through 1595 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,000 Speaker 1: the timeline, I was sort of shocked. I didn't realize 1596 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,519 Speaker 1: the number of actual physical assault allegations against him. Cassie 1597 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,720 Speaker 1: also alleged years of physical, psychological, and emotional abuse. She 1598 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,559 Speaker 1: claims Combs forced her to purchase and take illegal drugs 1599 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,599 Speaker 1: like cocaine, ketamine, and ecstasy that he filmed her as 1600 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,720 Speaker 1: he forced her to participate in sex with male sex 1601 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,400 Speaker 1: workers in multiple cities for his own voyeuristic pleasure in 1602 01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,840 Speaker 1: a practice he called freak offs, and that he beat 1603 01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,040 Speaker 1: her on many occasions in retaliation for talking to other men, 1604 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,760 Speaker 1: often with witnesses present. Some of the gruesome details of 1605 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,559 Speaker 1: what Cassie alleged included that she was suffering severe memory loss, 1606 01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:40,599 Speaker 1: potentially from these routine alleged beatings from Diddy, and that 1607 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,040 Speaker 1: he was so controlling that even when she sought medical 1608 01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:48,520 Speaker 1: help for that memory loss, again potentially resulting from these beatings, 1609 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,639 Speaker 1: he got the x rays, he. 1610 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,160 Speaker 3: Controlled the medical records. That was the level of. 1611 01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,920 Speaker 1: Total control he had over her, according to Cassie. Immediately 1612 01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,840 Speaker 1: after the charges come out, they settle. And this was 1613 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,559 Speaker 1: the context we were talking before of that New York 1614 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,200 Speaker 1: Survivor's Law. This is the law that was put through 1615 01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,880 Speaker 1: that gave basically a temporary window for any sort of 1616 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,120 Speaker 1: sexual assault claims where the statute of limitations had expired. 1617 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,919 Speaker 1: It allowed people to bring those claims in the context 1618 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:16,840 Speaker 1: of a civil suit. 1619 01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:17,920 Speaker 3: So that was the. 1620 01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,280 Speaker 1: Context for actually a number of these claims against Ditty. 1621 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,160 Speaker 3: And as I said. 1622 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,400 Speaker 1: Before, there are a range of allegations against him, and 1623 01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,680 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Sager, the most recent one having to 1624 01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,320 Speaker 1: do with allegations of sex trafficking a minor. So we 1625 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,519 Speaker 1: can all guess that this investigation likely has to do 1626 01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,640 Speaker 1: with some of the allegations against him, and just to reiterate, 1627 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,040 Speaker 1: he denies all of this and says that none of 1628 01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:42,439 Speaker 1: it happened. 1629 01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,840 Speaker 2: He denies everything. Yeah, I mean, we'll take it for 1630 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,080 Speaker 2: what it's worth. I think the timeline, though, is pretty damning, 1631 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,360 Speaker 2: and we can put that on the screen please from NPR. 1632 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,360 Speaker 2: I encourage people to go through and read this. Look, 1633 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,920 Speaker 2: I don't wasn't all that familiar, I guess with all 1634 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,200 Speaker 2: of this details here about mister Combs. But when we're 1635 01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,839 Speaker 2: going back, you know, he started his music industry career 1636 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,960 Speaker 2: here in nineteen ninety and according to this twenty twenty 1637 01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,360 Speaker 2: three suit, he actually in nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety one, 1638 01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,840 Speaker 2: then allegedly began to sexually assault this victim and a 1639 01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,400 Speaker 2: friend after a music industry event, where he beat her 1640 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,840 Speaker 2: several days later, whenever he was confronted again in nineteen 1641 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,080 Speaker 2: ninety one, immediately after beginning this, according to that lawsuit, 1642 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,040 Speaker 2: allegedly drugs, sexual assault, videotapes nineteen year old after going 1643 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,719 Speaker 2: on a date with him. Then you continue down the line. 1644 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,759 Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety six, comes is found guilty of criminal mischief 1645 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,120 Speaker 2: for threatening a photographer from the New York Posts with 1646 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,920 Speaker 2: a gun. Then you see. In nineteen ninety nine, he 1647 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,080 Speaker 2: has arrested charge with two felonies second degree assault criminal 1648 01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,880 Speaker 2: mischief in the beating of a record executive and two 1649 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,479 Speaker 2: bodyguards who beat them with their fists, a telephone, a 1650 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:49,200 Speaker 2: champagne bottle. He publicly apologized, he asked for the charges 1651 01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,880 Speaker 2: to be dismissed. He reportedly then paid the individual some 1652 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,240 Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars in assault charges were dropped. It's 1653 01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,559 Speaker 2: like we continue down this road, Crystal, and every five 1654 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,040 Speaker 2: years or so we see a pop up of a 1655 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,200 Speaker 2: gun charge, a violence charge, an allegation. But it does 1656 01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,920 Speaker 2: seem to be that everything began a real crescendo with 1657 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,839 Speaker 2: his cementing of social status through his all white party 1658 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:17,840 Speaker 2: in the Hampton's, through networking and using his power, his influence, 1659 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,960 Speaker 2: his money, just surround himself with some of these sycophans 1660 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,920 Speaker 2: and to allegedly, you know, conduct, have some of the 1661 01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,120 Speaker 2: horrible conduct that is detailed here. You really just read 1662 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,479 Speaker 2: like a timeline of somebody going completely out of control. 1663 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,799 Speaker 1: Well, he became, I mean, this is an iconic figure, yeah, 1664 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,599 Speaker 1: right in his own right in terms of being an artist. 1665 01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,599 Speaker 1: He became not only like a hip hop mogul, but 1666 01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,280 Speaker 1: also this sort of cultural mogul with you know, clothing 1667 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,000 Speaker 1: line and all you know, an alcohol line and all 1668 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:53,320 Speaker 1: sorts of other business deals. So he was is larger 1669 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:57,439 Speaker 1: than life, and you know, that's part of what can 1670 01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:02,639 Speaker 1: allow this sort of culture to persist, because people feel 1671 01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,400 Speaker 1: that their whole career, their you know, entire paycheck, their 1672 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,519 Speaker 1: entire life is dependent on staying quiet, on going along 1673 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:14,120 Speaker 1: to get along and not unearthing these you know, longtime 1674 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:18,160 Speaker 1: allegations against him. And so you know, Cassie is really 1675 01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,000 Speaker 1: the one who through that New York Survivor's Law, she 1676 01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,040 Speaker 1: really broke the seal on again a lot of rumors 1677 01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:25,760 Speaker 1: and there were certain things, as you mentioned, that were 1678 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,920 Speaker 1: in the public record in terms of charges and things 1679 01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,000 Speaker 1: that he was found guilty of, but she really opened 1680 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:35,200 Speaker 1: the door for these other you know, allegations to be launched. 1681 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,840 Speaker 1: And it does make me think, you know, I was, 1682 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,599 Speaker 1: I was a little unsure about the New York Survivor's Law, 1683 01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,519 Speaker 1: but in this context, like it does make me feel 1684 01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,360 Speaker 1: like this this made a lot of sense and did 1685 01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,400 Speaker 1: provide a window for justice for a lot of people 1686 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:53,360 Speaker 1: who you know, back twenty thirty years ago, you probably 1687 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,160 Speaker 1: felt like, especially when you're going up against a powerful person, 1688 01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,680 Speaker 1: you have no chance, like there's absolutely no chance that 1689 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,599 Speaker 1: you can bring these allegations and be met with anything 1690 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,280 Speaker 1: other than having your entire life completely destroyed and no 1691 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:10,120 Speaker 1: one taking you seriously, and so providing this window where 1692 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,880 Speaker 1: people could once again come forward. First of all, you know, 1693 01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,560 Speaker 1: the times have changed somewhat, but also it did he 1694 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,479 Speaker 1: is also not quite the towering figure that he once was. 1695 01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,719 Speaker 1: Still incredibly wealthy, incredibly powerful, all of those sorts of things, 1696 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,360 Speaker 1: but maybe not quite at the pinnacle that he used 1697 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,040 Speaker 1: to be, and so that provides the opening for these 1698 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,360 Speaker 1: incredibly serious charges to be made against him. So, you know, 1699 01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,160 Speaker 1: that's what we know at this point. We'll see where 1700 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:36,519 Speaker 1: the investigation leads. 1701 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,479 Speaker 2: Oh, welcome the investigation. I think it's good. I think 1702 01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,360 Speaker 2: there's a lot of famous people who've been hanging out 1703 01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,280 Speaker 2: with him, I mean, succording to some of the allegations 1704 01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,040 Speaker 2: out there. I mean it was like a Signamo laer 1705 01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,920 Speaker 2: Epstein type situation. They've got Prince Harry now who's been 1706 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,600 Speaker 2: named in a lawsuit. You've got a lot of celebrities, 1707 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,479 Speaker 2: you got politicians and others, I mean socially he was 1708 01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,200 Speaker 2: a major and towering figure of New York and in 1709 01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,920 Speaker 2: Hampton's La Society Miami, you know, hanging out with the 1710 01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,679 Speaker 2: all these people, and I mean, this type of behavior 1711 01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,040 Speaker 2: does not happen in a vacuum. And in fact, these 1712 01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,719 Speaker 2: type of people who exhibit this type of behavior often 1713 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,679 Speaker 2: enjoy and get off in flaunting it in other people's face. 1714 01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,160 Speaker 2: So it's like, well, how many people out there really 1715 01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,639 Speaker 2: knew about what was going on? Almost every single instance. 1716 01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 2: You know, it was part of the power that you 1717 01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,479 Speaker 2: could get away with stuff like this. Yeah, continue to track. 1718 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,920 Speaker 3: That between this and have you watched Quiet on set yet? 1719 01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:25,519 Speaker 2: I haven't watched it yet. It's four parts, which I 1720 01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:26,960 Speaker 2: did not realize. I thought it was a single one. 1721 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,960 Speaker 3: They're each Yeah, you know, like fifty minutes or something. Okay, 1722 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,719 Speaker 3: you're gonna get through it quickly on double speed. 1723 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,600 Speaker 1: But you know, it's just made me really reflect on it. 1724 01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,560 Speaker 1: Seems like in literally every corner of the entertainment industry, 1725 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,640 Speaker 1: you have some sort of like Harvey Weinstein. 1726 01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,840 Speaker 2: Especially in the nineties, especially in the nineties when everything 1727 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,040 Speaker 2: was so centrally powerful. 1728 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's true, Yeah, that's probably, that's probably very true. 1729 01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,920 Speaker 1: But because you have this dynamic of you know, you 1730 01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,120 Speaker 1: have so many people who are desperate for these slots. 1731 01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:01,040 Speaker 1: You have these massive power imbalance. Is you have a 1732 01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,200 Speaker 1: lot of people who are very vulnerable, who may not 1733 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,120 Speaker 1: have a lot of money, who are just you know, 1734 01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,000 Speaker 1: depending on you, desperately hoping for their chance. 1735 01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,240 Speaker 3: They think this is their one opportunity. 1736 01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,160 Speaker 1: It leads to them, you know, let me stay quiet, 1737 01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,240 Speaker 1: Let me put up with these things that I think 1738 01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,120 Speaker 1: are unacceptable because I have to, because you know, I'm 1739 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,280 Speaker 1: dependent on this and other people are dependent on me, 1740 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,160 Speaker 1: et cetera. And it does create a climate that is 1741 01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,080 Speaker 1: very rife for abuse. You see it also with the R. 1742 01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:27,479 Speaker 3: Kelly. 1743 01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean similar, similar type of allegations you know 1744 01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,559 Speaker 1: here of that level of control, of control of partner's 1745 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,799 Speaker 1: control of the psychological abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, mental abuse, 1746 01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:44,120 Speaker 1: et cetera. Very similar type dynamics between these these cases 1747 01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:48,000 Speaker 1: as well. So anyway, we'll watch and see what unfolds. 1748 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:52,280 Speaker 1: But if any fraction of the allegations against him are true, 1749 01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,200 Speaker 1: I hope that his ass pays for it. 1750 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:54,439 Speaker 7: Well. 1751 01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,679 Speaker 2: Especially the Feds here are now involved, and that shows 1752 01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,400 Speaker 2: you the seriousness with their taking that sex trafficking charge 1753 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,920 Speaker 2: because that is as moving people across state lines for purposes, 1754 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,280 Speaker 2: especially including minors. So definitely hope that. 1755 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,320 Speaker 3: Justice is done here, Tager, what you're looking at? 1756 01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,040 Speaker 2: Well, before I get started, I want to get a 1757 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,559 Speaker 2: few things out of the way. First, is I'm biased 1758 01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,759 Speaker 2: in the story I'm about to cover doctor Andrew Huberman. 1759 01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,400 Speaker 2: He's a personal friend to the point We've exchanged text, 1760 01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,439 Speaker 2: phone calls, we've met in person. A lot of my 1761 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,080 Speaker 2: anger around this is of seeing my friend smeared. But 1762 01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,600 Speaker 2: I'm also going to try and fuse my personal outrage, 1763 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,719 Speaker 2: add an injustice to a friend with some journalistic rigor, 1764 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,000 Speaker 2: and expose what I believe to be a genuine hit 1765 01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,840 Speaker 2: job that has bigger cultural implications. Let's start with the 1766 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,880 Speaker 2: smear job itself. New York Magazine, which is a subsidiary 1767 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,120 Speaker 2: of Vox Media, published a front page story on Monday 1768 01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:43,799 Speaker 2: morning titled Falling for Doctor Huberman The private and public 1769 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,400 Speaker 2: seductions of the world's biggest pop neuroscientists. Now, you might 1770 01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,320 Speaker 2: expect the story to detail perhaps some health lies or 1771 01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,240 Speaker 2: bad advice possibly that was proven from the most popular 1772 01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,200 Speaker 2: health podcast in the world. And you open up that story, 1773 01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,240 Speaker 2: you find eight thousand words. After reading them all, you 1774 01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,360 Speaker 2: will come away with this information doctor Andrew Huberman, who 1775 01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,679 Speaker 2: is unmarried, engaged in simultaneous relationships with up to six 1776 01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:09,040 Speaker 2: women according to his ex girlfriends and lovers. I'm not kidding, 1777 01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,599 Speaker 2: and if you want, you can read the entire piece 1778 01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,479 Speaker 2: for yourself. Is exhaustively details a lead up of how 1779 01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,640 Speaker 2: Huberman has self admitted to therapy and a tough childhood. 1780 01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,520 Speaker 2: Then immediately begins to parse in detail these scurrilous allegations 1781 01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:23,679 Speaker 2: of his ex girlfriends, who apparently have formed their own 1782 01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,800 Speaker 2: group chat to try and take him down. What is 1783 01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,360 Speaker 2: crazier is what I then found out by asking those 1784 01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,479 Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Now, according to those familiar with New 1785 01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,040 Speaker 2: York Magazine's of original reach out to doctor Huberman, the 1786 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,880 Speaker 2: vibe started out quite a bit different the New York 1787 01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,680 Speaker 2: Magazine's original email, which I obtained, and is so unbelievable 1788 01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,679 Speaker 2: that I was given permission to read a few quotes 1789 01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,120 Speaker 2: for you here on the show is. In August of 1790 01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:50,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, New York Magazine reporter Carrie Howley emailed saying, quote, 1791 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,160 Speaker 2: I am writing in the hopes that one of my 1792 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,799 Speaker 2: big stories this year might be the phenomenon of doctor 1793 01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,240 Speaker 2: Andrew Huberman. When my editor suggested I look into it him, 1794 01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,960 Speaker 2: I basically shot him down. It didn't seem like the 1795 01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,640 Speaker 2: kind of thing I would be into. I listened to 1796 01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:10,400 Speaker 2: a single episode. Predictably, months later, I'm fully addicted and devoted, 1797 01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,880 Speaker 2: she adds, continues due to some of the episodes that 1798 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,360 Speaker 2: deal with stress, I'm taking care of my mental health. 1799 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,799 Speaker 2: It was almost like I couldn't engage or become interested 1800 01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:24,000 Speaker 2: until doctor Huberman made it all profoundly concrete and chemical. 1801 01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,960 Speaker 2: I know I'm far from the only person to have 1802 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,160 Speaker 2: experienced this change. She adds a few more buttery things 1803 01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,800 Speaker 2: about how much she loved the podcast, and she said 1804 01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:37,760 Speaker 2: and got no reply. Now the story should have died there, right, No, no, no, no. 1805 01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:41,679 Speaker 2: Suddenly the Huberman love affair turned into something very different. 1806 01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,160 Speaker 2: Months later, Those familiar say that Huberman's colleagues, his family, 1807 01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,960 Speaker 2: and his friends from high school began to be inundated 1808 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,760 Speaker 2: with emails from New York Magazine requesting anonymous information on 1809 01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,599 Speaker 2: doctor Huberman. One of the emails reads as follows, subject 1810 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:59,360 Speaker 2: line off the record conversation with New York mag email 1811 01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,160 Speaker 2: text quote. In the interest of transparency, there have been 1812 01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,840 Speaker 2: serious allegations made about Andrew as well as the academic 1813 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,719 Speaker 2: work that he is up to these days. Now, hold 1814 01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,640 Speaker 2: on the second, what serious allegations that he was not 1815 01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,320 Speaker 2: faithful to his girlfriend? Why is that pertinent to speak 1816 01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,920 Speaker 2: to his colleagues about? And what about his work at Stanford? 1817 01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,200 Speaker 2: What are you talking about here? It turns out nothing. 1818 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,720 Speaker 2: Despite the author's best efforts to smear Andrew Huberman's work 1819 01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,360 Speaker 2: at Stanford and presenting him with some no show at 1820 01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,439 Speaker 2: his own lab, insinuating that something was afoot because of 1821 01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:38,120 Speaker 2: its transition, Stanford itself stood up for him in the piece, 1822 01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:43,000 Speaker 2: saying his lab was fully operational. Nothing she was insinuating 1823 01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:47,040 Speaker 2: was true. As for these quote serious allegations, again, literally 1824 01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,479 Speaker 2: it is from his personal life. And where did these 1825 01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,080 Speaker 2: allegations come from? Well, it doesn't take a genius to 1826 01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,599 Speaker 2: see that the sources of the story are jilted lovers 1827 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,840 Speaker 2: of Andrew Huberman's And it appears, based upon my conversations 1828 01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:00,439 Speaker 2: again with those familiar, that the reporter was able to 1829 01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,639 Speaker 2: make contact with them by literally trolling for negative comments 1830 01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:07,160 Speaker 2: on Reddit threads and Instagram comments. So the timeline is 1831 01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,600 Speaker 2: basically this, She asked for a profile and pretended to 1832 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,240 Speaker 2: be a fan. He said no or basically didn't reply. 1833 01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,879 Speaker 2: Then she connects with these jilted lovers, leaving anonymous comments 1834 01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:20,360 Speaker 2: on the Internet. Then those claims, including incorrect ones about 1835 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,479 Speaker 2: his work at Stanford, are presented to colleagues, friends, and 1836 01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,920 Speaker 2: family of Huberman's, including his own father, to react to. 1837 01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,959 Speaker 2: Any positive comments attesting to his character were not included 1838 01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,599 Speaker 2: in the story. The full allegations of the women were 1839 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:37,519 Speaker 2: printed with complete credibility, even though many have exhibited some 1840 01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,439 Speaker 2: pretty crazy behavior in their retaliation against him. So those 1841 01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,720 Speaker 2: are the specifics of how this all came to be. 1842 01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,120 Speaker 2: But let me just put this aside right now and 1843 01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,200 Speaker 2: just say this. Let's say every word of it is true, 1844 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:53,280 Speaker 2: every last word. What is the relevance of any of this? 1845 01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:57,280 Speaker 2: Not once in this story did they ever dispute a 1846 01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:00,880 Speaker 2: single word that Andrew Huberman ever said on his podcast. 1847 01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,720 Speaker 2: Not once did they prove that he is less than 1848 01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,559 Speaker 2: he says he is, including the fact that Stanford University 1849 01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,880 Speaker 2: publicly confirms that he remains not only a professor, but 1850 01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,800 Speaker 2: one who continues to publish research and teach students at 1851 01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:17,520 Speaker 2: this university. Not once were they able to prove misinformation, malinformation, 1852 01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,479 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. This is not a story. 1853 01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,439 Speaker 2: It is a character assassination of yes who a man 1854 01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,759 Speaker 2: who is my friend, but a man who I believe 1855 01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,120 Speaker 2: has changed millions of lives for the better. Andrew Huberman 1856 01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,439 Speaker 2: does not tell you to do anything. He gives you 1857 01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,640 Speaker 2: information that you can research and check for yourself. He 1858 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,200 Speaker 2: gives you protocols like look in the sun in the 1859 01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,360 Speaker 2: morning if you want to sleep better, avoid alcohol, and 1860 01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,599 Speaker 2: by and large, to try and live a healthier lifestyle. 1861 01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:46,080 Speaker 2: Or he will interview a world renowned scholar on the subject, 1862 01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,040 Speaker 2: and he will draw out information that might be relevant 1863 01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,439 Speaker 2: to you if he want it to be. As far 1864 01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,280 Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, that's the only thing that's relevant about him. 1865 01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,880 Speaker 2: And if they could find anything he said regarding that 1866 01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,600 Speaker 2: which is wrong or was malicious, I'm all years and 1867 01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,080 Speaker 2: I wouldn't doing anything like this. They didn't. That's why 1868 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,679 Speaker 2: I'm doing this monologue, because this was an attempt, for 1869 01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,080 Speaker 2: some reason or the other to take him down for 1870 01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,559 Speaker 2: just simply being the most popular health podcaster in the world. 1871 01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,000 Speaker 2: He doesn't have to rely on mainstream media to get 1872 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,639 Speaker 2: this information, and I guess that alone is his crime. 1873 01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:17,920 Speaker 2: For which he has now been sentenced and convicted in 1874 01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,439 Speaker 2: the court of public opinion by New York Magazine. It 1875 01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,080 Speaker 2: is not right and if you ever benefited from his advice, 1876 01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,000 Speaker 2: you should share this with people you know so the 1877 01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,040 Speaker 2: actual truth gets out there. Crystal. 1878 01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,320 Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue, 1879 01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,120 Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. All right, 1880 01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,880 Speaker 1: we have one more important story we wanted to get to. 1881 01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:38,400 Speaker 1: We can go and put this up on the screen. 1882 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,920 Speaker 1: Julian Assange has staved off extradition to the US, at 1883 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:43,960 Speaker 1: least for now. 1884 01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,519 Speaker 3: This is breaking news just this morning. This according to 1885 01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,680 Speaker 3: a UK court. Let me read you a little bit 1886 01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:48,960 Speaker 3: of this. 1887 01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,760 Speaker 1: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has fended off the threat of 1888 01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:55,479 Speaker 1: immediate extradition to the US after the High Court in 1889 01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,599 Speaker 1: London asked the US for more assurances. US authority say 1890 01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,080 Speaker 1: Assange fifty two, put lives at risk by publishing secret 1891 01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,720 Speaker 1: military documents and have four years been seeking his extradition 1892 01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,240 Speaker 1: on espionage charges. Put aside the US nonsense story there. 1893 01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,879 Speaker 1: At a two day hearing last month, Assange sought permission 1894 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,240 Speaker 1: to appeal the UK's twenty twenty two approval of his extradition, 1895 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,960 Speaker 1: arguing the case against him was politically motivated and that 1896 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,200 Speaker 1: he would not face a fair trial. In a ruling Tuesday, 1897 01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:24,120 Speaker 1: a panel of two judges said that Assange, an Australian citizen, 1898 01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,679 Speaker 1: would not be extradited immediately, and gave the US three 1899 01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:31,920 Speaker 1: weeks to give a series of assurances about Assange's First 1900 01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,759 Speaker 1: Amendment rights and that he would not receive the death penalty. 1901 01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:37,880 Speaker 1: The US fails to give these, Assagne would be allowed 1902 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,200 Speaker 1: to appeal his extradition at a hearing in May. They 1903 01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,200 Speaker 1: go on to say the ruling potentially offers Assange an 1904 01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,080 Speaker 1: extraordinary lifeline in a year's long saga that saw him 1905 01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,439 Speaker 1: shoot to global prominence for revealing to CNN what he 1906 01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,160 Speaker 1: described to CNN what I think anyone would describe as 1907 01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:58,439 Speaker 1: war crimes. So you know, saga. Listen, it's a victory 1908 01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,559 Speaker 1: for Assange. He gets to live to fight another day. 1909 01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,080 Speaker 1: Of course, we should not lose sight of the fact 1910 01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,519 Speaker 1: that he continues to be held in detention at grave 1911 01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,639 Speaker 1: risk to his health, which according to his family, has 1912 01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:16,080 Speaker 1: severely deteriorated, and his legal prospects are still in complete. 1913 01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:21,639 Speaker 1: Limbo just to remind everybody, the Obama Biden administration had 1914 01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:26,439 Speaker 1: decided they could not charge Julie Assange without implicating core 1915 01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:30,800 Speaker 1: First Amendment rights, and in particular without implicating outlets like 1916 01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,439 Speaker 1: The New York Times. The Trump administration took a more 1917 01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:39,439 Speaker 1: aggressive approach. They even had reportedly Mike Pompeo and others 1918 01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,920 Speaker 1: were even floating plans for, Hey, maybe we should just 1919 01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:46,280 Speaker 1: assassinate this guy outright, which is complete insanity. That did 1920 01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,479 Speaker 1: not get nearly enough attention, by the way, from the 1921 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,639 Speaker 1: US press, which supposedly cares so much about press freedom. Right, 1922 01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:57,479 Speaker 1: So Trump administration begins this prosecution. The Biden administration now 1923 01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:02,120 Speaker 1: has continued that prosecution and are seeking his extradition from 1924 01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,320 Speaker 1: the UK, where he has been held now for years, 1925 01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,800 Speaker 1: for seven years actually before that was hold up as 1926 01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,759 Speaker 1: a political refugee at the Ecuadorian embassy in the UK capital. 1927 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,160 Speaker 1: So he's been five years in London's Bellmarsh Prison and 1928 01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,720 Speaker 1: before that's seven years in the Ecuadorian embassy. I mean, 1929 01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,600 Speaker 1: it's just insanity that is unfolding, and the reason we 1930 01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:21,639 Speaker 1: always want to update and keep an eye on it 1931 01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:26,000 Speaker 1: is not only because of the personal ramifications for Julian Assange, 1932 01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:29,240 Speaker 1: his young family, his brother and father who we've we've 1933 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,960 Speaker 1: met and interviewed here on the show. He loves, appreciates him. 1934 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,599 Speaker 1: This is a human being first and foremost, but also 1935 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,240 Speaker 1: because of the way that this tramples on First Amendment 1936 01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:44,280 Speaker 1: rights and especially rights to publish information that implicates powerful people. 1937 01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,360 Speaker 1: And you know, as of now Collateral Marto, which got referenced, 1938 01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,479 Speaker 1: you know, in the show here yesterday with regard to 1939 01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:53,200 Speaker 1: the similarities to drone footage that came out of the 1940 01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:58,080 Speaker 1: Israel's assault on Gaza, incredibly impactful. But the individuals who 1941 01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:02,320 Speaker 1: were in collateral murder they never face charges. And Julian Assange, 1942 01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,280 Speaker 1: for releasing that information that was in the benefit of 1943 01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:09,080 Speaker 1: the public interest of exposing what was happening, has been 1944 01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:14,240 Speaker 1: locked up now four years, persecuted four years, and his life, 1945 01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,559 Speaker 1: according to his family, is literally on the line. 1946 01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, his family's been saying that here and anywhere else 1947 01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:23,240 Speaker 2: that you could find them. It's been fourteen years. Previously, 1948 01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,719 Speaker 2: did you mention this Crystal about the guilty plea previous 1949 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,880 Speaker 2: or have you read those details, or if his family 1950 01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:32,719 Speaker 2: had explored possibly going through that, if this had gone through, 1951 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,759 Speaker 2: but that's still very unfortunate because it sets the legal 1952 01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:41,000 Speaker 2: precedent for the prosecutorial direction of actual journalistic crimes. This 1953 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:44,439 Speaker 2: was news that broke several days ago, and it does remain. 1954 01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:47,240 Speaker 2: It appears their backup plan, and it's one which would 1955 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,719 Speaker 2: allow him to plead guilty and possibly either have time 1956 01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,639 Speaker 2: served or spend some five years behind bars and then 1957 01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,680 Speaker 2: eventually be released. But given what we and we know 1958 01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,559 Speaker 2: at a personal level of his mental state, given what 1959 01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,080 Speaker 2: his family has told us, including here in the studio, 1960 01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,720 Speaker 2: the guy needs to be let out almost immediately. Yeah, 1961 01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,120 Speaker 2: and you know the case needs to be dropped against him, 1962 01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:07,679 Speaker 2: but don't expect anything like that to happen. 1963 01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,120 Speaker 3: The Australian government agrees. 1964 01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had the there's two Australian MP's on our 1965 01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,400 Speaker 2: show who were from different sides of the aisle who 1966 01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:13,960 Speaker 2: talked about that. 1967 01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're calling for his release, so in any case, 1968 01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, they've the US has got a few weeks 1969 01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:22,360 Speaker 1: to make these assurances and then we'll see what happens 1970 01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,080 Speaker 1: after that, if he's going to be able to have 1971 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:28,479 Speaker 1: a full hearing appealing for extradition in May, or whether 1972 01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,080 Speaker 1: they decide at that point. Okay, the extradition process could 1973 01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:32,840 Speaker 1: move forward, and then we'll see what happens from there, 1974 01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:34,800 Speaker 1: but wanted to make sure to give you all the 1975 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:36,479 Speaker 1: very latest in this very important case. 1976 01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. All right, Thank you guys so 1977 01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,040 Speaker 2: much for watching. We appreciate you. We'll see you all 1978 01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:40,320 Speaker 2: later