Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame or Tim Kirkshin I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshen
Speaker 1: And Dad, tomorrow you leave to go up to Cooperstown
Speaker 1: for Hall of Fame induction weekend. Your favorite weekend of
Speaker 1: the year, no doubt about it. And yesterday, Dad, we
Speaker 1: had on the show Billy Wagner, who's one of the
Speaker 1: many players being inducted into the Hall this weekend.
Speaker 2: Right, and Billy was hilariously funny on our podcast. And
Speaker 2: as you know, Jeff, we got into an argument because
Speaker 2: I made him wasn't an argument. I made a mistake.
Speaker 2: I thought I got mixed up between a groundhog and
Speaker 2: a woodchuck what Billy used to eat as a kid
Speaker 2: in rural Virginia. So Joel Oh sent us something to
Speaker 2: our great game or what email today saying love the
Speaker 2: show Fellas, But a ground hog and a woodchuck are
Speaker 2: the exact same animals. So I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: true or not. All I know is I'm learning something
Speaker 2: as we go along here, thanks in part to Billy Wagner.
Speaker 2: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a quick google, Dad, and it says, yes,
Speaker 1: a groundhog and a woodchuck are the same animal. Both
Speaker 1: are common names for the rodent marmada monics. The different
Speaker 1: names are from regional variations in language, depending on how
Speaker 1: people describe it. So maybe maybe that's how in rural
Speaker 1: Virginia how they would say it is a woodchuck or
Speaker 1: a groundhog, and we would call it.
Speaker 3: A wood chuck, even though you and I both grew
Speaker 3: up in Maryland.
Speaker 2: Right, And I think it is part of the problem
Speaker 2: is I got the two animals mixed up because I'm
Speaker 2: making ground chuck tonight for dinner, which I thought it
Speaker 2: seems to be a right that was really bad?
Speaker 3: All right, well that was not bad.
Speaker 1: But I will say one guest I want to have
Speaker 1: is Chuck Barkley, Charles Chuck Barkley.
Speaker 3: I would love to have on the show. What do
Speaker 3: you think about that.
Speaker 2: We're gonna work on that as we get closer to
Speaker 2: the basketball season. If we can get the chuck wagon
Speaker 2: the bread truck on it would be the greatest thing ever. So, Jeff,
Speaker 2: I have to share something. I had a bit of
Speaker 2: a it's not a complaint, but a bit of a
Speaker 2: challenge on one of the one of the lists that
Speaker 2: I come up with, which I come up with all
Speaker 2: the time, and I repeat, they're my lists. I don't
Speaker 2: pretend they're the correct list. But this and it wasn't
Speaker 2: a nausie to oral, and it wasn't a best of
Speaker 2: all tim it was The Mary Tyler Moore Show is
Speaker 2: better than the Dick Van Dyke Show. That that was
Speaker 2: the complaint I got from a friend. As you know,
Speaker 2: I gave my top five sitcoms of all time a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago. Not like any of this is important.
Speaker 2: Get Smart's one, All the Family two, Dick Van Dyke
Speaker 2: is three, Seinfeld's four Cheers is five. And let's be clear, Jeff,
Speaker 2: the Mary Tyler Moore Show is the sixth greatest sitcom
Speaker 2: of all time on my list, sixth greatest ever. It's
Speaker 2: pretty impressive. And I've told you that Baxter, Ted Baxter,
Speaker 2: you know the you know, the knucklehead newsman who does
Speaker 2: the you know, the anchors the news. They are much
Speaker 2: like Walter Kronkite did. My favorite episode is when the
Speaker 2: real Walter Cronkite, the greatest TV newsman in the history
Speaker 2: of our country, is actually on the show as himself
Speaker 2: and Ted meets him. The first thing Ted says to
Speaker 2: Walter Cronkite is Walter. What words do you have trouble pronouncing?
Speaker 2: He asked that the most respected news anchor in the
Speaker 2: history of the world. Oh God, so bad.
Speaker 1: Well, jokes aside, Dad, I'm a radio host of ten
Speaker 1: years just celebrated my this is now ten year anniversary.
Speaker 3: How crazy is that?
Speaker 2: Wait, Jeff straight out of Syracuse Straight to Cleveland, had
Speaker 2: your own show Vegas, Philadelphia. Really impressed, really kind of crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: really impressed, Joff.
Speaker 1: One of two words that I hate to say the
Speaker 1: most in the radio, or one we've already said four
Speaker 1: times on this podcast.
Speaker 2: Rule rule Right. It's a hard word.
Speaker 1: Hate that word that and brewery brewery right, I hate that.
Speaker 1: And you know another one is a golfer who just
Speaker 1: had quite the weekend.
Speaker 3: Rory, Rory.
Speaker 1: I have trouble saying those words, and I think it's
Speaker 1: mostly because they're just like rolling.
Speaker 3: Over a couple sounds, right, Rory, there's not a letter in.
Speaker 2: There right that that that middle R is troublesome. I understand.
Speaker 2: Theater is something that I'm not real good at and
Speaker 2: I always and I'm a writer, Jeff, I always have
Speaker 2: to think how to spell the word rhythm, because I
Speaker 2: usually get it wrong. I don't have a system on
Speaker 2: how to spell the word rhythm. It's only six letters,
Speaker 2: and I still have a little bit of trouble with
Speaker 2: Isn't that weird? Now?
Speaker 1: Rhythm is a strange one because there's a th h
Speaker 1: and a y and it's two whys.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always have to think, am I am I
Speaker 2: spelling this properly? I have to get some sort of
Speaker 2: system to remember that it's a relatively simple word. But
Speaker 2: these are the things that bother me and keep me
Speaker 2: up at night.
Speaker 1: Sho, I feel so stupid. There's only one why r
Speaker 1: H Y t.
Speaker 2: H M right, Yeah, gosh, I had to think that
Speaker 2: through all right.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna curse me with that, dad, Now I'm
Speaker 1: going to struggle with rhythm every time. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty good with rhythm, Yes, Jeff, you have great rhythm.
Speaker 1: You are a great dancer, which I can't understand how
Speaker 1: I am so bad at that and you are so
Speaker 1: good at that when I'm your father, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you get natural rhythm. I just know I don't
Speaker 1: have it and I will never have it.
Speaker 2: And that's okay. It's just I don't think you can
Speaker 2: teach something. It's like asking me to be taller. That's
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not gonna happen for me either, trust me.
Speaker 1: All Right, Dad, Well, we're going to get to each
Speaker 1: of the inductees going into the Coopersound Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: this Sunday, But I know you have some other takeaways
Speaker 1: that you want to get too.
Speaker 2: First, right, just just quickly, Rich Hill, age forty five,
Speaker 2: I've started for the Kansas City Royals on Tuesday night.
Speaker 2: So it's the fourteenth team for which he has played,
Speaker 2: ties Edwin Jackson for the most teams that any Major
Speaker 2: League teams any pitcher has ever worked for. Also, they
Speaker 2: both wore ten different uniform numbers, so I guess you know,
Speaker 2: when you switch teams as often as they do, you
Speaker 2: can't just roll in and say, hey, I'm used to
Speaker 2: wearing forty four. You know, it doesn't always work that way.
Speaker 2: Ten different uniform numbers. He started his career in two
Speaker 2: thousand and five, pitching in relief for the Cubs, that was,
Speaker 2: and the starting pitcher that day was Greg Maddox, which
Speaker 2: is just really cool. Greg Maddox is fifty nine years
Speaker 2: old now, and Rich Hill first game that he pitched in.
Speaker 2: The starter on his team was Greg Maddox. That's kind
Speaker 2: of cool, right, Dad.
Speaker 1: Think about how long ago two thousand and five was. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was the year that YouTube started. Okay, that was
Speaker 1: twenty years ago that YouTube started.
Speaker 2: Hope.
Speaker 1: John Paul the Second's death was in two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: Is he the White Sox fan?
Speaker 3: No, that's the one we just got. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 3: one we just got.
Speaker 1: I mean, just thinking about how different the world was.
Speaker 1: Remember what our cell phones looked like in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, Dad, everybody had still like the Nokia bricks.
Speaker 1: That's how long Rich Hill has been in the.
Speaker 2: League, right, and he's still going and he actually pitched
Speaker 2: okay on on Tuesday Night. Just another reminder. If you
Speaker 2: have a great curveball and you know what you're doing
Speaker 2: with the art of pitching, you can get by.
Speaker 1: And the biggest difference, Dad, is in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: the Chicago White Sox won the World Series and in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Yeah, well they're actually playing a little
Speaker 1: bit better.
Speaker 2: Okay. Speaking of pitching, Jeff Clay Thompson, one of the
Speaker 2: great shooters of all time. Throughout the first ball at
Speaker 2: a baseball game the other day and looked pretty good
Speaker 2: doing it. Well, it's not a surprise. His brother, of course,
Speaker 2: is Trace Thompson, who's played in the Major League for
Speaker 2: a bunch of years on and off. And I want
Speaker 2: to ask Trace, like, how good a basketball player were you?
Speaker 2: And he said I was pretty good, but not compared
Speaker 2: to his brother. I said, did Clay play baseball? And
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah. He was our leadoff hitter on our
Speaker 2: high school team. He was like six'. Four he was
Speaker 2: the leadoff. Hitter he didn't have much, power but he
Speaker 2: could run and he could do. Something so when we
Speaker 2: saw him throw the first ball and looked athletic doing
Speaker 2: he should because he's a great. Athlete but as we, Know,
Speaker 2: jeff not every basketball football player goes to the mound
Speaker 2: and throws an athletic. STRIKE i was impressed With Clay,
Speaker 2: thompson AND i Asked trey, once what's it like when
Speaker 2: you go shoot with your brother? Now and he, goes
Speaker 2: it's just. RIDICULOUS i feed. Him he stands in the
Speaker 2: corner and he makes like twenty five straight three. Pointers
Speaker 2: and that's what great shooters, Do, jeff.
Speaker 1: Shades Of John. Wall remember when he threw out a
Speaker 1: first pitch at A nationals. Game, yeah not, good not, understatemle, right,
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean the man was the heck of an,
Speaker 1: athlete very GOOD nba player and then, right but.
Speaker 2: He never played baseball, before and if you've never played
Speaker 2: the game, before you're not going to be able to
Speaker 2: throw a baseball particularly, well it's just.
Speaker 3: Swaying it looked Like Uncle rico throwing a.
Speaker 2: FOOTBALL i BET i could throw this football over that.
Speaker 2: Mountain it's so, bad all, right speaking of throwing a baseball,
Speaker 2: Jet Paul skeene's got to win the other. Day he's
Speaker 2: the best pitcher in The National league and probably the
Speaker 2: second best pitcher in baseball To Trek skouobl at the.
Speaker 2: Moment but now he's got five. Victories SO i just
Speaker 2: went looking for guys who have AN era under two
Speaker 2: at the end of a SEASON era under two fewer
Speaker 2: than ten, victories which is possibility For Paul skeens this
Speaker 2: year because they don't ever score him any runs in
Speaker 2: a season of one hundred and seventy five. Innings so
Speaker 2: it's only been four, times and the last time it
Speaker 2: was done was by someone in nineteen oh. Nine so
Speaker 2: If Paul skeins has AN era under, two WHICH i
Speaker 2: think he, will and has fewer than ten, wins WHICH
Speaker 2: i hope is not the, case because for his, sake
Speaker 2: he deserves to win twenty games with the way he's.
Speaker 2: Pitching he'll be the fifth guy ever to do. That
Speaker 2: do you find that interesting at?
Speaker 1: ALL i find it, shocking AND i feel bad for
Speaker 1: all those, pitchers probably none of them taking home any
Speaker 1: hardware because the team was so.
Speaker 2: Bad right, Right, Okay, jeff onto The hall Of. Fame
Speaker 2: we have five guys being inducted On. Sunday what a
Speaker 2: great day this will be in baseball and love Induction.
Speaker 2: Sunday so we'll start with each. Row and he won THE,
Speaker 2: mvp he won Ten Gold, gloves made Ten All star,
Speaker 2: teams got three thousand and eighty nine. Hits first ten.
Speaker 2: Years jef two hundred hits each. Year only player to
Speaker 2: do that set the record in two thousand and four
Speaker 2: with two hundred and sixty two. Hits last, YEAR i
Speaker 2: did a speech With Mike, messina And Mike messina looked at,
Speaker 2: me as we're at the, day it's just, talking he, Goes,
Speaker 2: GOD i hated facing a. Row he would just foul it,
Speaker 2: off and foul it, off and foul it off until
Speaker 2: he hit the ball. Hard Like that's how good he.
Speaker 2: Was he was capable of spoiling good pitches until he
Speaker 2: found one that he could hit really. Hard AND i told, You,
Speaker 2: jeff he hit a bouncing. Ball ball bounced in front
Speaker 2: of home. Plate he hit it off of one hop
Speaker 2: and lined the single to. Center SO i Called Pat
Speaker 2: gillick the next, day and he was THE gm of The.
Speaker 2: MARINERS i, Said, pat what was? That he, Goes, oh
Speaker 2: he used to practice that In japan all the, time
Speaker 2: practiced hitting a bouncing. Ball that's what great great hitters.
Speaker 2: Do he was also a great defensive, outfielder one of
Speaker 2: the greatest throwing Arms i've ever. Seen but his, bat
Speaker 2: his bats were his calling card more than. Anything and
Speaker 2: he protected his. Bats. Jeff he never like threw his
Speaker 2: bats around or slammed it. In he once told, me he,
Speaker 2: said my bad are like a carpenter's favorite. Hammer you
Speaker 2: don't throw your favorite hammer. Around you don't throw your bats.
Speaker 2: Around he protected. THEM i love.
Speaker 3: THAT i love, that and well Deserved hall Of fame,
Speaker 3: member each. Hero This sunday RIGHT. C.
Speaker 2: C sabathia is also going. In of, course when you
Speaker 2: look at, wins winning percentage and, strikeouts the only guys
Speaker 2: who can match those three numbers FOR Cc sabathia Are Randy,
Speaker 2: Johnson Roger, Clements tom Sever Justin, berlander And Greg. Maddox
Speaker 2: and the only left handers with more strikeouts THAN. C.
Speaker 2: C sabathi in the history of baseball Are Randy johnson
Speaker 2: And Steve. Carlton pretty, cool And i've also had a
Speaker 2: Relie JEFF. C. C sabathi is the greatest player ever
Speaker 2: to go by his initials and of course our Boy
Speaker 2: Billy wagner's going. In he was a great interview. Yesterday
Speaker 2: the only sets you need to know about him for his, career,
Speaker 2: well he saved four in twenty two. Games he averaged
Speaker 2: eleven point nine strikeouts per nine innings for his, career
Speaker 2: and for every nine innings pitched he allowed six. Hits
Speaker 2: so he has the lowest, total lowest hit per nine
Speaker 2: inning total of anyone who ever pitched more than nine
Speaker 2: hundred innings in The Big leagues two thirty one. Era
Speaker 2: it just shows you how difficult it was to Hit
Speaker 2: Billy wagner in his, prime.
Speaker 1: No, doubt an amazing guest once, again if you didn't
Speaker 1: listen to the episode, yesterday make sure to do. So
Speaker 1: just go back one episode and soak it in because
Speaker 1: he's getting super excited for this.
Speaker 3: Weekend.
Speaker 2: Right and of course two guys who went in through
Speaker 2: a special, committee but they're Still hall Of, famers Because
Speaker 2: Dick allen should have been A hall Of famer a
Speaker 2: long time. Ago, jeff go back and look at that
Speaker 2: rookie season, Sometime oh my, gosh one of the great
Speaker 2: rookie seasons of all, time and his eleven year, prime
Speaker 2: which was nineteen sixty four through seventy, four he had
Speaker 2: the highest offensive war in baseball and there wasn't a
Speaker 2: close second during that time and the full span of his.
Speaker 2: Career the only player who had a higher slugging percentage
Speaker 2: and ops Was Hank. Aaron that's how Great Dick allen,
Speaker 2: was and he should have been in a long time.
Speaker 2: Ago and our last, guy of course Is Dave, parker
Speaker 2: whose five year stretch he was basically the best player
Speaker 2: in baseball was nineteen seventy eight season was one of
Speaker 2: the greats of all, time won a Batting championship two
Speaker 2: years in a. Row elite defensive outfield or one of
Speaker 2: the great throwing Arms i've ever. Seen and As i've told, You,
Speaker 2: jeff he used to wear a star Of david around his.
Speaker 2: Neck why did he do? That what was his? Explanation
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i asked him, once.
Speaker 3: Because my name Is david And i'm a.
Speaker 2: Star, exactly very cool and so so sadly we Lost
Speaker 2: Dave parker a month or so ago To parkinson's. Disease
Speaker 2: he will not be there On, sunday but he will
Speaker 2: get a rousing ovation from all those because everyone knew
Speaker 2: how great the cobro.
Speaker 1: Was all, Right, dad let's jump right into our quirkchins
Speaker 1: of what's going on In Major League baseball that you're.
Speaker 2: Seeing, Okay, Jeff so at ten o'clock ten thirty the
Speaker 2: other night you called me frantically to ask me what
Speaker 2: about The phillies. Game, well they ended on a walk
Speaker 2: off catcher's interference in the bottom of the tenth.
Speaker 3: Inning And i'm like, this this has never happened.
Speaker 2: Before it. Can't so the last time it, Happened, jeff
Speaker 2: which it's, Amazing i'm surprised it. HAPPENED i don't even
Speaker 2: remember this. Time but in nineteen seventy, one The dodgers
Speaker 2: were playing The, reds and The dodgers scored on a
Speaker 2: walk off catcher's. Interference Manny moto was the third bases,
Speaker 2: Loaded Willie crawford was at the plate And Willy crawford
Speaker 2: hit the midt of the, catcher who happened to be
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy One Reds jeff our favorite, guy And Johnny.
Speaker 2: Bench it Was Johnny. Bench SO i Called John bed
Speaker 2: yesterday and he's just started yelling at, me which he.
Speaker 2: Does he's just. Kidding BUT i, said you know WHY
Speaker 2: i am. Calling he, GOES i THINK i know why you're,
Speaker 2: calling and he, said the ball was already in my
Speaker 2: catcher's mitt When Willie crawford swung the. Bat it's the
Speaker 2: worst call, ever he, Said but this is what The
Speaker 2: dodgers would, do and he was being very. Complimentary, actually
Speaker 2: they would do whatever it took to win a. Game
Speaker 2: so he claims the ball was already in his catcher's
Speaker 2: mitt When Willie crawford started the swing and hit the catcher's.
Speaker 2: Mitt for catcher's, interference which is again, automatic everyone advances
Speaker 2: one base error on the catcher and no time at
Speaker 2: bat for the. Hitter So johnny, bess do you think
Speaker 2: they's seventy? One do you think they sent it back
Speaker 2: To New york for revealed, well and of course The
Speaker 2: Red sox had a catcher's interference in the first inning
Speaker 2: of the next. Game double check With frank from The.
Speaker 2: Lives first time since nineteen sixty. One that's the farthest
Speaker 2: thing can go back and be absolutely certain of. Things
Speaker 2: that's the first time since nineteen sixty one that a
Speaker 2: team had catcher's interference in consecutive innings like, that even
Speaker 2: though they were over a span of.
Speaker 1: Two, games bottom of the, tenth bottom of the, first
Speaker 1: it was. UNBELIEVABLE i shocked.
Speaker 2: It SO i just finished our quick conversation With Johnny
Speaker 2: bench by just, saying you, Know i'll see you In.
Speaker 2: Cooperstown can't. Wait and then he, started as a tribute
Speaker 2: to Each, row he started Speaking. JAPANESE i, said, What,
Speaker 2: johnny you can Speak. Japanese he, goes. Yeah we went
Speaker 2: there on a like a tour in nineteen seventy eight
Speaker 2: in the. Offseason he, said we played seventeen games and
Speaker 2: he learned a bunch Of japanese, phrases which HE i
Speaker 2: thought he was making them. Up how AM i going
Speaker 2: to know the. DIFFERENCE i can't speak at a word Of.
Speaker 2: Japanese So johnny played seventeen games over there and hit
Speaker 2: nine home runs in seventeen. Games and he, said every
Speaker 2: TIME i if An american board player hit a home,
Speaker 2: run he got ten thousand yen for each home, run
Speaker 2: and he got like a load of candy for every
Speaker 2: home run that he. Hit SO i GOT i got
Speaker 2: ninety thousand yen a Nine and he, Said so my
Speaker 2: nickname In japan was Candy, man because every TIME i
Speaker 2: got the, CANDY i gave it to other people. There
Speaker 2: so that's That's Johnny bench's nickname In japan is Candy.
Speaker 2: Man AND i did not know that story until. Yesterday
Speaker 2: isn't this Typical Johnny? Bench he tells you, Something you,
Speaker 2: Go how COULD i have known you for this? Long
Speaker 2: you never told me that.
Speaker 3: Story he always had something up his.
Speaker 2: Sleep oh he's, great all. Right so we had a
Speaker 2: really cool thing happened the other. Day jeff Sho Hey,
Speaker 2: o'tani hitting second in the order and pitching that, game
Speaker 2: hit a home run and gave up a home run
Speaker 2: in the first. Inning how cool is? That? So Former
Speaker 2: phillies Pitcher Randy, lurch really really good hitting, pitcher was
Speaker 2: the last guy to do, it and he did it
Speaker 2: On may, seventeenth nineteen seventy. Nine And, jeff this was
Speaker 2: in the game where The phillies beat The cubs twenty
Speaker 2: three to twenty two in ten, innings one of the
Speaker 2: most famous games In Major league. History So Randy lurch
Speaker 2: is batting in the top of the first. Inning he's
Speaker 2: already facing a reliever Because dennis lamp has been knocked
Speaker 2: out of the. Game he's facing a, Reliever Donnie, moore
Speaker 2: and he hits a homer off Of Donnie moore in
Speaker 2: the first. Inning so Now Randy lurch goes out to
Speaker 2: pitch the bottom of the first. Inning he gives up
Speaker 2: a home run To Dave. Kingman he gives up a
Speaker 2: bunch more, runs and they take about after six. Batters
Speaker 2: so he started and the starting pitcher didn't win a
Speaker 2: third of an. Inning Randy lurch went a third of
Speaker 2: an inning and then they got him out of the.
Speaker 2: Game he was the last pitcher to hit a home
Speaker 2: run and give up a homer in the first. Inning And,
Speaker 2: jeff just just a note about that twenty three to
Speaker 2: twenty two. Game Mike schmidt told this story many years. Later,
Speaker 2: so back at the Old Wrigley field before they upgraded,
Speaker 2: it they didn't have like a. Score they had like
Speaker 2: the old scoreboard that didn't have the running totals of the.
Speaker 2: Game so in like the eighth, Inning Mike schmidt gets
Speaker 2: the third base and he Asks mick kellerher the third
Speaker 2: basement for The. Cubs as he's looking up at all
Speaker 2: these runs, scored and he says to mc, kellerher what's
Speaker 2: the score of the? Game because he didn't have time,
Speaker 2: to like or he couldn't count them all, up that's
Speaker 2: how many runs had been. Scored but you know now
Speaker 2: with an electronics, scoreboard it, says you, know it's eighteen
Speaker 2: to seventeen or twenty one to twenty or whatever it.
Speaker 2: Was he asked the third, basement what's the score of the?
Speaker 2: GAME i love? That that is so oh. Great Hayden
Speaker 2: Bird song of The giants had a difficult start the other.
Speaker 2: Day twenty five, pitches six of them were. Strikes SO
Speaker 2: i Called frank from The alias and, said when's the
Speaker 2: last time anybody did something had that bad of a?
Speaker 2: Control and the answer is in twenty twenty, One Tyler
Speaker 2: chatwood through twenty five, pitches seven, strikes so that was
Speaker 2: the last time any pitcher threw twenty five pitches in
Speaker 2: a game and seventy five percent of them or more were.
Speaker 2: Balls Brayce lewis of The twins had this Line. Jeff
Speaker 2: four at, bats one run, scored no, hits three, RBIs
Speaker 2: so he knocked in three runs without getting a. Hit
Speaker 2: the Last twin to do that Was Nick punto in
Speaker 2: two thousand and. Six so it's been a, while but
Speaker 2: it reminds me of maybe my, favorite my favorite box
Speaker 2: score line of all. Time Ben, petrick who used to
Speaker 2: be a catcher in the big. Leagues he had a
Speaker 2: Game jeff where he had three at, bats no, runs no,
Speaker 2: hits four, RBIs so he had a three zero zero.
Speaker 2: FOUR i asked him about it and he, said you know,
Speaker 2: WHAT i went after the. Game i'm thinking to, myself,
Speaker 2: YEAH i had a bad day. Today and then he,
Speaker 2: said and THEN i looked at the box score and, said,
Speaker 2: hey had a pretty good. Day he drove in four
Speaker 2: runs without getting a. Hit does that amaze? You?
Speaker 3: Yeah so is he sacrifice?
Speaker 2: Fly probably one of them for not to look it,
Speaker 2: up but it's like sacrifice fly, bases load of, walk two,
Speaker 2: groundouts four RBIs without getting a. Hit, wow it's. Unbelievable all, right,
Speaker 2: now this is how BAD i, Am jeff this morning
Speaker 2: Or wednesday. Morning i'm reading the box scores this time
Speaker 2: at five o'clock in the morning with a diet mountain,
Speaker 2: dew AND i look at. THAT i look at The
Speaker 2: Mariner brewer game one to. Nothing The mariners beat The,
Speaker 2: brewers and the leadoff, Guy brice terrank great defensive second,
Speaker 2: basement goes zero four with four. Strikeouts so he's the
Speaker 2: twenty fifth time this year that a leadoff guy has
Speaker 2: struck out four times in a. Game i've been charting
Speaker 2: this all. Year the shortstop for the other, TEAM Jp,
Speaker 2: crawford he hit, leadoff so he went over four with
Speaker 2: a strikeout and two grounded into double. Plays so the
Speaker 2: two leadoff guys in that game went over eight with
Speaker 2: five strikeouts and two grounded into double. Plays so this intrigues.
Speaker 2: Me can there possibly be another game in baseball? History
Speaker 2: and we played for one hundred and fifty. Years, well
Speaker 2: as it turns, out there's never been a game like. This,
Speaker 2: now keep in, mind jeb gidps were an official stat
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty one in The National league nineteen forty
Speaker 2: in The American. League But frank from The elias confirmed
Speaker 2: that's the first time since gidps became official in both
Speaker 2: leagues that the two leadoff guys went over eight with
Speaker 2: five strikeouts and two grounded into.
Speaker 1: Double that's not where you want to be coming up
Speaker 1: next here on is this a great? Game or what
Speaker 1: we've got on this state in baseball? History the best
Speaker 1: number thirty and number thirty one FOR ossi to oral
Speaker 1: and best of all ten coming up?
Speaker 3: Next all, right, dad on this date baseball. History july
Speaker 3: the twenty.
Speaker 2: Fourth, right nineteen eighty three was the famous pine tar.
Speaker 2: Game George brett hit a home run in the ninth
Speaker 2: innen to put The royals ahead of The. Yankees he
Speaker 2: hit it off Of Goose Gossage Billy martin on a
Speaker 2: recommendation from his third, Baseman Greg nettles, said go check the.
Speaker 2: Bat there's too much pine tar on the. Bat the
Speaker 2: umpires homeplate Umpire tim McClellan, said, yes there's too much
Speaker 2: pine tar on this. Bat they measured it and they
Speaker 2: Called George brett. Out so instead of hitting a home,
Speaker 2: run he was called out for having too much pine
Speaker 2: tar on the. Bat so The royals lost the, game
Speaker 2: but they, protested of, course And lee, McPhail the president
Speaker 2: of The American, league overruled and, said, no that is
Speaker 2: not too much pine. Tar the home run, counts and
Speaker 2: now The royals have a five to four over The.
Speaker 2: Yankees so On august the, eighteenth so this is you,
Speaker 2: know a few weeks, later they go back and play
Speaker 2: the ninth inning At Yankee stadium And Billy, martin the
Speaker 2: angry manager of The, yankees is so upset that they
Speaker 2: have that it's been overturned that he Played Ron guidry
Speaker 2: for that one, inning his best pitcher in center, field
Speaker 2: And Don, mattingley his left handed first baseman at second,
Speaker 2: base because he, said this is a farce that we
Speaker 2: have to play. This Dan quizenberry came in the, closer
Speaker 2: pitched one inning clean bottom of the ninth games Over
Speaker 2: royals win five Before George brett didn't even go to the.
Speaker 2: Ballpark he told me he was in a hotel. Room
Speaker 2: he didn't even go to the park because what's the,
Speaker 2: point you, KNOW i just hit a. HOMER i don't
Speaker 2: want to be a part of all. This so he
Speaker 2: was sitting in his hotel room watching the end of
Speaker 2: The Pine tar game when The royals closed it. Out,
Speaker 2: jeff one of the great. Game, yeah one of the
Speaker 2: most famous games of all.
Speaker 1: Time, well you always remember him flying out of the
Speaker 1: dugout like that's just such a core memory of how
Speaker 1: angry he.
Speaker 3: Was, Right and, however we don't hear the inning being
Speaker 3: played again very.
Speaker 2: Often, Right AND i Asked, george of course about this many.
Speaker 2: Times but he, said do you know how Big tim McClellan.
Speaker 2: Is he's six.' six he's way BIGGER than. I have,
Speaker 2: HE Said i i've running. Out there i've never been
Speaker 2: so angry in. My Life but, i'm thinking what do
Speaker 2: you do in charge of? This guy he's way bigger.
Speaker 2: Than you That Was, george brett always always great and, Last.
Speaker 2: Thing jeff on, This Date barry bond's birthday turned sixty
Speaker 2: one years. Old today three greatest hitters of. All time
Speaker 2: in order for me again we have to forget a
Speaker 2: bunch of. THINGS here i don't want any huge. Angry,
Speaker 2: arguments here three Greatest hitters i've, ever seen OR that
Speaker 2: i think are the three. Greatest Hitters, Babe Ruth Ted Williams.
Speaker 2: Berry bonds. That's it that's.
Speaker 3: The list, all right let's jump Into from ozzie.
Speaker 1: To orl you're giving us the best player each, number today. Number,
Speaker 1: Thirty right this.
Speaker 2: Is hard Because It's nolan ryan who wore number thirty
Speaker 2: and also wore number, Thirty FOUR so i wasn't sure
Speaker 2: what to, do There so i'm jumping off Here With
Speaker 2: nolan ryan is the greatest number thirty of. All time
Speaker 2: with Apologies To, Tim Rains, orlando cepaida and a. Few,
Speaker 2: others Okay But nolan ryan wore number thirty Four that
Speaker 2: matt's And, the angels and With the angels he had
Speaker 2: a three point zero seventy ra struck out twenty four
Speaker 2: hundred and. Sixteen guys the, most important he threw four
Speaker 2: no hitters as a member Of the angels two and,
Speaker 2: seventy three one and, seventy four one and. Seventy five
Speaker 2: so no one's thrown more than four. No, hitters ever he,
Speaker 2: threw seven and four of them came With. The angels
Speaker 2: and if anyone asks You Who nolan, Ryan, Is jeff
Speaker 2: he's the hardest pitcher to Hit In major. League history
Speaker 2: he is the greatest power pitcher of. All time, and
Speaker 2: uh he's one Of the he threw a baseball as
Speaker 2: hard as any man alive for twenty. Five years That's
Speaker 2: that's it's like being the world's fastest human for twenty.
Speaker 2: Five years usually last about. Five years, With That nolan
Speaker 2: ryan was incredible for his. Entire CAREER and i.
Speaker 1: Think the craziest thing to this day is the fact
Speaker 1: that he never want to. Cy young it just blows.
Speaker 2: My, mind right, it's amazing and he had a couple
Speaker 2: opportunities and. He didn't what's My Favorite nolan. Ryan's story
Speaker 2: i've told it to. You before remember when We ad
Speaker 2: let's see if you can remember. The Punchline rance Mallinick's
Speaker 2: third basement For The blue jays was, asked once what
Speaker 2: would the world be like if Everyone Was. Nolan ryan
Speaker 2: what did?
Speaker 1: He say, he said everybody would be happier and nobody
Speaker 1: would get.
Speaker 2: A hit.
Speaker 3: I think it.
Speaker 2: Was exactly everyone would love each other and no one
Speaker 2: Loved get. That's, right jeff am proud. Of you you
Speaker 2: remembered Something From rance Malini's and i've told that story a.
Speaker 2: Few times thank you. For remembering that was.
Speaker 1: Very cool there's a couple of stories that you Tell
Speaker 1: that i've kind of been ingrained in, my head like
Speaker 1: THE one i always remember. Dad Is In new york
Speaker 1: they named a candy Bar After, reggie jackson But in
Speaker 1: baltimore we name our Kids After.
Speaker 3: Brooks robinson that one ingrained, in, There.
Speaker 2: Right and i'm glad you, Remember, that Jeff Because reggie
Speaker 2: Jackson And brooks robinson share. A birthday how cool?
Speaker 1: Is that did you Know That walter johnson Died on,
Speaker 1: december tenth nineteen forty Six And tim kirkshon was Born on,
Speaker 1: december tenth nineteen, fifty six and he Went To Walter Johnson.
Speaker 3: High school he Wrote For. The pitch he Wrote for The,
Speaker 3: WIND up.
Speaker 2: I have i have. POISONED you, I have I have i've, Heard.
Speaker 2: You jeff for you to be remembering these things, Like
Speaker 2: This i'm. I'm sorry number, Thirty one number, Thirty one
Speaker 2: this is Really. Not wow this was easy Because It's
Speaker 2: greg maddox Now Again, ferguson Jenkins another Hall, Of famer war,
Speaker 2: thirty one also For. The Cubs the cubs retired thirty
Speaker 2: One for Maddox And, fergy jenkins which is. Pretty Cool
Speaker 2: But greg maddox won three hundred and fifty. Five, games
Speaker 2: jeff he had a THREE sixteen era in five thousand and. Eight,
Speaker 2: innings okay he walked nine hundred and ninety nine batters
Speaker 2: in his career in five thousand and. Eight Innings And
Speaker 2: derek lowe told me that he played Golf with Maddox
Speaker 2: and maddox told him. The story, HE said i had
Speaker 2: three starts left in my major league CAREER because I
Speaker 2: knew i was retiring at the end of. The year and,
Speaker 2: HE said i didn't walk anyone the last, three Stars
Speaker 2: because i'll be Damned if i'm going to have one
Speaker 2: thousand walks on my record In The. Baseball encyclopedia that's
Speaker 2: how important control Was To. Greg, Maddox, jeff jeff he
Speaker 2: is the greatest control pitcher of. All time he is
Speaker 2: the smartest pitcher by FAR that i have ever. Been
Speaker 2: around they just tell story after story after story about what,
Speaker 2: a magician what, a robot what. A Professor greg maddox
Speaker 2: was on. The mound do you Remember The chipper jones
Speaker 2: story that. He TOLD remember i told the story that
Speaker 2: they were going To take maddox out of, a game a,
Speaker 2: playoff Game And leo mazzoni came to. The, Mound Well
Speaker 2: bobby cox came to the mound to take, him Out
Speaker 2: And greg, Maddock said i'm not. COMING out i got.
Speaker 2: This guy he's going to foul Out To chipper jones
Speaker 2: on the. First, PITCH well i got the story. Somewhat
Speaker 2: wrong chipper. Retold it you remember how he. Retold It,
Speaker 2: leo mazzoni the, pitching coach went to the mound to
Speaker 2: Tell him bobby wants you to walk this, guy Intentionally,
Speaker 2: And maddix i'm not walking. HIM intentionally i Got this
Speaker 2: he's going to foul Out to chipper on the. First
Speaker 2: pitch first pitch he pops Out To chipper jones on the.
Speaker 2: First pitch chipper was in fair territory by like, two
Speaker 2: inches so They gave maddox a. Hard time he didn't
Speaker 2: foul out on that pitch because he was in fair
Speaker 2: territory by. Two inches so but, the KICKER which i did,
Speaker 2: not know Is That bobby cox will. It's Furious When
Speaker 2: leo mazzoni came Back that, MADDICK said i don't Care what.
Speaker 2: Bobby says i'm not walking this. Guy intentionally and then
Speaker 2: after he popped out of the, First pitch Chipper said
Speaker 2: bobby was laughing his butt off in the dugout because,
Speaker 2: he recognized WHY would i Ever Question greg maddox about something.
Speaker 2: Like this there's never been anybody quite.
Speaker 1: Like him the only thing that would have made that
Speaker 1: story better Is If Scott van pelt had. Told him
Speaker 1: And THEN leo mazooni went to The Mound, Chipper jones.
Speaker 2: Oh god it's. So Bad what scott gave me his
Speaker 2: all time oriole team with the long a's, in IT
Speaker 2: and i thought he was done With A. Joe altabelli
Speaker 2: then when he gave the pitch, A coach i just.
Speaker 2: ALMOST laughed i. Almost Died, Leo, mazzoni yes that was, great.
Speaker 3: Last but certainly not least the best.
Speaker 1: Of all tim we're picking a different, Franchise, week dad
Speaker 1: you give us the best player in the history of.
Speaker 1: That franchise what's the franchise?
Speaker 2: THIS week, i mean this week Gets, the diamondbacks Because
Speaker 2: the diamondbacks are so much in the news these days
Speaker 2: because supposedly they're going to sell at the. Trade deadline
Speaker 2: They Have, Zach Gallon, merrill kelly and of Course Jo.
Speaker 2: Hainio suarez we talk About the diamondbacks almost, every DAY
Speaker 2: so i figured let's do The greatest, diamondback ever and
Speaker 2: It Is. Randy johnson in his eight years With The diamondbacks,
Speaker 2: jet one eighteen and, sixty two he had a two
Speaker 2: eighty Three ra. He leveraged he averaged eleven point five
Speaker 2: strikeouts per, nine innings which is ridiculously high for a.
Speaker 2: Starting pitcher and of course he won Four Straight cy
Speaker 2: Youngs And randy johns animal years and. Years, ago jeff
Speaker 2: You Know randy johnson's six Foot Ten, rich donald my,
Speaker 2: dear friend once told Me That randy johnson was so
Speaker 2: tall that he didn't need a pickoff move to. Second
Speaker 2: base he just reached out to tag. The runner that's
Speaker 2: how tall And Long randy. Johnson was but he was
Speaker 2: a very he is a very, mercurial guy even though
Speaker 2: he's a fabulous photographer, HERE now i can't wait to
Speaker 2: talk to him and sit down with him and do
Speaker 2: a podcast with him about what a. Great photographery we're
Speaker 2: going to get him before the, Season's. Over JEFF but
Speaker 2: i Did a sunday night conversation with him about this
Speaker 2: had to be twenty. Years AGO so i just told
Speaker 2: him before, WE started, I, said randy we're both going
Speaker 2: to be standing up for, this interview and he thought
Speaker 2: that was the funniest, thing ever the thought of six
Speaker 2: ten and four to ten interview being interviewed by a
Speaker 2: four foot ten edge. Baseball writer so he laughed. Out
Speaker 2: loud he was in the. Greatest mood he handled all
Speaker 2: the questions professionally as he, always did so it was.
Speaker 2: Really good and a bunch of my writer friends still
Speaker 2: call that still call that the stupidest interview in the history,
Speaker 2: of television not because of the questions, the answers but
Speaker 2: just because of. The optics Me Interviewing, RANDY johnson i
Speaker 2: literally had to hold my arm straight up in the
Speaker 2: air and get on my tiptoes just to get the
Speaker 2: microphone to. His mouth can you, Picture, That, Jeff.
Speaker 3: Oh i've seen. THE photos i can picture in clear.
Speaker 1: As DAY and i got, to say when you were
Speaker 1: At The All, star game they had you at the
Speaker 1: Desk With kevin connors And. Water Perez, kevin connors by,
Speaker 1: the way, tall dude, he's.
Speaker 2: Dude he's at least six, to two maybe. Six,' three.
Speaker 1: Yeah and then they, got it right and then you've
Speaker 1: got you on the. Right side there can we get
Speaker 1: him an. Encyclopedia or something can we get him a
Speaker 1: step soul, for goodness, Sake.
Speaker 2: It's bad JEFF they Want I interviewed frank Thomas, once
Speaker 2: in baltimore and they wanted me to stand on, a
Speaker 2: MILK carton so i was the same Height As. As,
Speaker 2: Frank thomas look i'm very comfortable. With, MY size obviously
Speaker 2: i mentioned it in every show. That we do you
Speaker 2: have to be comfortable with. Who YOU are but I
Speaker 2: told him i'm not standing on a milk Carton To.
Speaker 2: Interview frank Thomas not because i'm EMBARRASSED how. Short i
Speaker 2: am that's. Not the point it's gonna LOOK ridiculous that
Speaker 2: i am the Same. Height As frank tim it's gonna look.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous at home we're only shooting from, the waist up
Speaker 2: so you can't see me standing. On THIS thing, so
Speaker 2: i said it's like THE only time i ever Told
Speaker 2: a producer i'm not doing this because it would, look
Speaker 2: so dumb because my friends at, home would go what's
Speaker 2: he standing on like a step ladder in order to
Speaker 2: be the Same Height, as frank thomas who. Is six,' five.
Speaker 1: You know it's interesting i'm trying to get a read
Speaker 1: on what you think where is your line when it
Speaker 1: comes to doing. Stupid things on television because you won't stand,
Speaker 1: on a milk crate but you will get in a Sausage.
Speaker 1: And run in milwaukee you will slide Down. The hill
Speaker 1: at williamsport you're you're, prone to doing bits but the
Speaker 1: milk crate was.
Speaker 2: Too, much for you no, It's. Not a bit jeff
Speaker 2: it is An. Artificial HIGH en hanser and. I don't
Speaker 2: need that i don't. Want to do that and the
Speaker 2: sausage race was the worst day of. My WHOLE life
Speaker 2: professionally BUT i told. You i, did it mike MCCUAD,
Speaker 2: our boss at espn told, me YOU'RE doing this and
Speaker 2: I was afraid of mike. Mccuad at the time I'm still.
Speaker 2: Afraid OF mike mcquad so i did what he told
Speaker 2: me to do for fear that he might fire me
Speaker 2: on the spot for not being the hot dog. In,
Speaker 2: the sausage race well thank you to everybody for.
Speaker 3: Catching up with us is this a?
Speaker 1: Great game Or, What, Every, single tuesday wednesday thursday we
Speaker 1: come out with a Brand new Episode of next week
Speaker 1: We're Gonna Hear, from tony gwynn junior the son Of
Speaker 1: The late The Great hall of Famer. Tony gwyn and dad,
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing too because we Not Only Talk about tony,
Speaker 1: gwinn junior's playing career but we Also Looked Back at
Speaker 1: Tony gwynn's hall of fame induction weekend almost, twenty years
Speaker 1: Ago Now And where tony gwinn, junior was for that
Speaker 1: how pregnant his.
Speaker 3: Wife was for that it was a lot going, on,
Speaker 3: In That.
Speaker 2: Interview right tony jr is just like his dad. In
Speaker 2: so many ways his voice is, identical to his, father
Speaker 2: but you know his personality and everything. Is the same way,
Speaker 2: he's so easy. Going he's so funny he's. Just Like
Speaker 2: his Dad And. I'm hoping tony Jr will be. In cooperstown,
Speaker 2: this Weekend maybe not, But, I'm GOING there jeff and
Speaker 2: i can't stress this enough How magical. A place cooperstown
Speaker 2: is it. Is just ludicrously charming to walk, down that
Speaker 2: Main street, especially on induction weekend it is the greatest
Speaker 2: three days. You could possibly spend, You've never been there you.
Speaker 2: Got to go there if you Can't go, there for
Speaker 2: induction weekend go any other time where it's less crowded and,
Speaker 2: spend a week there or spend a. Couple of days
Speaker 2: there it'll be ABSOLUTELY stunningly good and i can't.
Speaker 1: Wait to go tomorrow thank you, so much for, listening
Speaker 1: and as always thank you for being a.
Speaker 3: Part of our family
Speaker 2: Fi