WEBVTT - #611 Packers Unscripted: Lowdown on Lions 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:10.640 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.600 Packers dot com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.239 trusted colleague West hod Kuitz. We're coming to you here 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.680 from our studios at lambeau Field, and I have to 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.680 start today's show with an apology for those of you 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.040 are regular listeners viewers out there who count on us 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:30.360 to be on time and punctual with our postings. Tuesday's episode, 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.120 as you probably noticed, was not available until Wednesday, and 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:38.199 we are very sorry about that technical issue. It's been resolved. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.680 Hopefully it will not come up again. So here we 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.000 are on Thursday, West, and Thursday's episode will be posted 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.319 on Thursday, just so you know. Sure, there's a lot 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.880 of people out there that were just devastated that that 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.640 unscripted was not available on Tuesday to recap everything that 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.680 happened in that game on Sunday. But yeah, we hold 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.840 ourselves accountable here. We do hold ourselves accountable. We've made 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.720 the necessary correct and we're pushing forward. Now we're flushing 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.320 it and now we're pushing forward here to Detroit and 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.959 we are pushing forward to a game on Monday Night 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.319 Football in Week two against the Detroit Lions. Both teams, 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.000 as all the teams are in the NFC North, both 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.240 of these squads for Monday night are oh and one 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:22.440 searching for their first victory of The Detroit Lions have 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.800 a new head coach, they have a new quarterback. What 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:27.600 what's your initial I know we don't have a whole 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.679 lot to go on here, but what's your initial impression 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:34.759 of Detroit Lions. My initial impression is the Detroit Lions 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.520 have begun to take on that mentality of their head coach. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.800 And I think when the chapter was closed on the 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.319 mat Patricia Era, I believe that there are people within 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.800 that building and understood where things went wrong the past 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.520 few years and where they need to get corrected. I'm 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:54.160 not even talking about wins and losses. I'm talking about culture, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.480 talking about team building and what they showed me in 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.560 that game against San Francisco, Mike, very much like the 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.200 Packers against the Saints. They could not have really gotten 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.640 off to a worst start, but they bounced back. And yes, 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:07.920 there's a lot of people out there saying they got 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.160 points in garbage time, in yards and garbage time, they 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.000 got it back within one score, and I thought that 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.239 showed a lot from Jared Goff to be able to 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.160 pick himself up. I thought that showed a lot on 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.880 the Lions not quitting on themselves after giving up twenty 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.600 four points in the in the second quarter. That was 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.840 a team that played until the bitter end in it. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:27.520 For that reason, I think the Packers have to be 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.280 ready that they're going to see a very hunger Detroit 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.000 Lions team on Monday Night. Yeah. Absolutely. The The The 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.760 only caveat that I give with regard to the Lions 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.200 come back and getting it within one score is that 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.600 they did catch a huge break with getting an onside 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.160 kick recovery in there, which is one of those less 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.840 than ten percent propositions these days in the NFL. So 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.320 that's not going to happen very often. And the final 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.320 score that game is very different if they don't get 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.639 that one fortunate break. But they got it, and they 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.760 did come within twenty five yards of a potential game 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.240 tying touchdown in a game they were down by twenty 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:06.799 four points with with less than six minutes to go. So, um, 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.440 what are your thoughts on Jared Goff? This is a 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.560 big change for the Detroit Lions because Matthew Stafford. Yes, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.520 he there were times he was injured here and there. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.440 I get it. But Matthew Stafford was the Detroit Lions 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.160 quarterback for a long time. He was their franchise guy. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:26.399 That has now changed. Jared Goff doesn't have I don't 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.480 think he has all of the physical tools and the 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.760 physical skills that Matthew Stafford has. But Jared Goff also 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.720 has a little bit more of a winning pedigree in 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.280 that he is a quarterback who has taken a team 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.920 to a Super Bowl. This is a really interesting change 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.160 in the NFC. North Well and he has a sharp 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.720 guy that's called plays for him and Anthony Lynn and 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.280 in understanding what they want to accomplish offensively. The former 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.840 Chargers head coach for Chargers head coach and Mike I'll 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.400 be honest with you, the You're absolutely right. Golf has 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.200 been there, he's done that, he's seen it. But when 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.120 he's been successful, he's had a really capable run game 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.200 along with him. And for the first time and my 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.560 as my child, my son's childbook, Little Blue Truck Goes, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.240 I think it was or no, it was Gruff the 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.640 Grump the first time in a very long time. Uh, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.719 they actually have a running game here that I think 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.880 they can actually hold, you know, hang their hat on 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:23.960 uh DeAndre Swift and Jamal Williams. I said it going 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.960 back to training camp. I said it going back to 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.039 the offseason program. I felt like Jamal Williams is one 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.560 of the best bargain buys in the national football Like 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:32.960 the Greenbay Packers were extremely tight against the cap. They 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.000 couldn't bring them back, but the Detroit Lions to get 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.720 them for what they got Jamal Williams for that game 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.000 last week, you saw how valuable this guy could be. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.680 And he had over a hundred yards from scrimmage combining 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.120 the rushing and receiving yards if I read the stats correct, 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.560 and Swift wasn't as impressive on the ground but had 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.919 eight catches had touched on. They I think are going 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.839 to be a really good battery together and I feel 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:56.880 like Golf throughout the course of that game, you could 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.000 see his comfort in his familiarity with those two guys flourished. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.919 They have weapons. Mike. I think t J. Hockenson in 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.600 addition to being on my fantasy football team, I didn't 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.279 draft him. It was an auto league. I don't even know. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:08.680 I was drafting, but he end up having a really 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.279 good week for me. These guys, there's talent there for 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.200 him to work off of the question I'm going to 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:19.400 have though, is what happens when adversity hits What happens 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.320 when people start to hit the counters against the Lions? 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:24.920 Jared Goff, I don't anticipate is gonna be a guy 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.560 that's gonna be thrown the ball fifty plus times a game. Yeah, 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.880 that's that's not going to be their formula for success 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.800 when that happens. I don't think the win loss ratio 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.200 is exceedingly high for golf over the years in those situations. 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.360 But he is a legitimate NFL starting quarterback and there 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.960 was a reason why the Lions felt like this was 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.960 the best package that they could get in this trade 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.040 for Matthew Stafford. It really is just going to come 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.120 down to whether or not he could play disciplined and 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:52.960 in those moments where he gets shut down, if he 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.480 could find a way to get the offense rolling again. Yeah, well, 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.120 you mentioned the Lions running game. You mentioned t J. Hockenson, 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.960 the tight end um young rising star I think in 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.440 this league, uh, coming out of Iowa, very high draft 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.159 pick that gets us, you know, right into some of 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.600 our keys to victory here. I think when you look 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.000 at the Packers defense, you look at what happened last 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.719 week against the Saints, a lot of trouble stopping the 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.880 run and giving up two touchdown passes to a tight end, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.680 not to mention also a crucial fourth down conversion on 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.599 a screen to a tight end. So looking at all this, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.840 how much do the how much do the Lions come 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.320 in here on Monday night with DeAndre Swift, Jamal Williams 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.160 and t J Hockenson and those guys being the focal 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.240 point of their offense and how they attack the pack 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.279 and and this guy is not on the same levels 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.360 those other three. But even look at Quentin se Fist 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.920 being able to get a touchdown in that game against 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.159 former University of Wisconsin wide receiver and sort of a 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.200 hybrid across type player. Uh, those are the type of 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.640 players that have given Green Bay issues the past few years, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.200 and it gives them a lot of different looks in 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.960 this game against Detroit. I'm going back to what I 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.039 said last week, Mike, nothing changes. Just because the Packers 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.760 lost by thirty five points doesn't mean that the recipe 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.240 for success to win that game is any different. You 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.520 have to win up front, and you got to do 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.440 it on both sides of the ball. There was one 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.800 statistic that I looked up when I was doing insider 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.560 in Boxes past week. The Packers now are one in 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.280 six all time, at least since two thousand eighteen when 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.320 Aaron Jones was a starter, where they've actually in games 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.360 in which Jones has not carried the ball more than 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.800 ten times, they're one in six. They won one of 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.600 those games, the game against in two thousand eighteen. I 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.280 believe against San Francisco. They got to get the ball 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.240 in Aaron Jones's hands. They have to get the ball 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.120 on a J. Dillon's hands. And on the opposite side 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.200 of things, you can't let teams gash you for six 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.960 seven eight yards of pop on the run game. That 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.239 was my biggest concern in that game against the Saints. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.960 It wasn't that Kamara ended up hitting a sixty yard 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.920 gainer down the field. It was the fact that their 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.080 longest carry was fifteen yards and Green Bay still gave 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:57.800 up as many yards on the ground as they did. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.480 You have to control the tempo and when you're facing 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.520 a team whose head coach is talking about biting off 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.960 kneecaps and drinking as much coffee as is available within 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.360 the Starbucks you know, entire industry. You have to be 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.840 able to bring that energy and that is the biggest 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.480 thing that I think has to change in this game. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.600 Everyone loves Jamal Williams's a fantastic dude, great personality. Packers 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.760 got a find a way to stop him on Monday Night. Yeah, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.720 I think. I think it definitely starts with with changing 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.600 the narrative with the run defense right away for the 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.320 Packers based on what happened last Sunday, before we switch 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.920 to the offensive side. West a shout out to our sponsors. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.000 Serious x M NFL Radio delivers hard hitting, it hitting 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.960 analysis and up to the minute NFL news that true 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:42.840 football fanatics need seven three six And at Cousin Subs, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.800 we have something for everyone like our Wisconsin Cheese Kurds, 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.920 mac and Cheese, golden fries, and creamy shakes, all paired 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.679 with your favorite sub or sub in a bowl. Cousin Subs, 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.240 we believe in better. You touched on it already. West. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:59.520 As far as the Packers run game, we know that 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.640 Monday Nights game is. I believe it's going to feel 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.880 very differently in terms of how the Packers go about 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.640 things offensively. Now, you obviously want the defense to not 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.360 give up to fifteen play touchdown drives, which you know 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.959 throws everything off in terms of possessions, everything becomes disjointed, 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.319 the clock all that. But I do think we're going 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:25.040 to see the Packers very, very focused on running the football, 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.840 establishing that run, the play action everything with with Matt 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.800 Lafleur's passing game, there's so much of that effective stuff 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:38.120 comes off of of play action. I really think Aaron 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.000 Jones and a J. Dillon are going to have their 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.440 hands on the ball quite a bit Monday night. I agree, 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:43.920 And I didn't mean to jump, you know in the 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.040 last segment talking about this, but it goes on both 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.680 sides of the ball, does absolutely and you have to 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.560 stop the ball and Mike, you look historically the big conversation. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.320 I'm sure when we talk to Aaron Rodgers latter day, 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:56.920 I'm sure it's gonna come up again as the two 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.760 shell I've been hearing that, you know, since I was 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.560 three years old. And I mean the fact of the 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.000 matter is, I mean, over the last ten eleven years, 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.040 teams have settled that's the blueprint. That's the formula. It's 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.200 not the blueprint in the formula. All it is is 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.439 that if a team throws two safeties and its back 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.520 end and there we go light in the box, You've 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.640 got to be able to run the ball against that front. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.880 Doesn't matter if you're running back is Eddie Lacey, James Starks, 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.120 you know Tie Montgomery. Now with Aaron Jones, you have 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.920 to be able to push the ball through those gaps 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.400 and from there that's where the Packers offense starts to 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.719 look like itself again. Why was Matt Lafleur's scheme such 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:35.720 a great fit for Green Bay because they had a 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.559 lot of the tools that he needed to be successful 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.800 here when you look at having Aaron Jones developing and 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.520 Jamal Williams as just as steady as it goes back, 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:45.720 I to be honest with you, Mike, for as little 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.400 as we saw him in that game against the Saints, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.880 I was pretty darn and pressed with a J. Dillon. 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.400 I actually thought he hit the whole pretty well, only 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.280 had four carries, but took it for nineteen yards. If 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.280 they can get that one too, combination going get them 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.960 twenty touches touch is together. That's where you can see 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.199 the jet sweeps open up, the slant passes open up, 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.440 the Robert Tonyan passes open up. I really you know, 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.960 Aaron Rodgers hit it. I think he said it perfectly 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.000 when when he talked about how you know things go 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.000 in cycles. Right, there's going to be moments where you're 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.200 going to have adversity. You're not gonna look great, people 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.200 are gonna start to question things, and it will come 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.319 back again. I think that's the biggest key for Green Bay. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.160 You have to come up with more energy. You have 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.040 to play better in the first quarter, but don't feel 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.000 like you don't have a team that isn't meant to 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.880 be there. They do. They just gotta get that swagger back. 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.480 And I think it starts with the run game. Yeah, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.640 it starts with the run game, and then it continues, 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.120 you know, with doing what the Packers do best, or 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.560 I should say what they did best last year, which 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.199 was to be one of the best teams in the 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.160 league on third down and in the red zone. We 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.920 saw both of those go away from them in Week 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.640 one against the Saints. And you know, when you look 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.320 at the third downs. Obviously, when you're in third and 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.440 eight and third and twelve and third and thirteen, that's 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:58.880 not where you want to be while you get in 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.000 the better third downs suations by running the football. Everything 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.800 everything goes hand in hand here. And why were the 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.440 Packers so successful in the red zone last year? Well 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.920 in part because they ran the heck out of the 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.160 ball in the red zone and then that set up 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.400 the play action for Davante Adams and Robert Tonyan to 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.520 both get double digit touchdowns. All that so it all, 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.280 it all goes hand in hand. And I think with 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.200 this Matt Lafleor offense, we've seen it enough now, you know, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.120 thirty plus games over the course of his two plus 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.840 seasons here that that that you have to be able 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.720 to run the football with some level of authority and 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.960 some level of consistency, consistency for this offense to be 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:41.560 to be in rhythm, to be flowing, and to be 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.120 at its best. And a lot of that too, Mike 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.040 comes with multiplicity, It comes with different types of looks, 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.280 and last week a lot of it, because of what 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.320 the game dictated, we didn't see in the over abundance 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.800 of those looks. As I was mentioning before, a lot 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.640 of letting personnel, a lot of no huddle, and you 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.280 saw Aaron Rodgers having to kind of extend plays. Again, 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.480 it's just stuff that doesn't look like the offense looks 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.400 like when they're in a rhythm. Now, they took a one, 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.920 you know, an unfortunate hit to their offensive, you know 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.240 arsenal when Josiah Deguar goes down with the concussion. But 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.720 there's a reason why Dominic Daphne was kept on this 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.040 fifty three. I mean, that's kind of their backup at 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.720 that h back type tight end role that they have 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.520 this game in particular, Mike, I want to I keep 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.480 saying the jet motions, but you know, I want to 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.360 see more Randall cob I want to maybe see some 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.800 Amari Rodgers. I want to give the defense different looks 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.480 so that you don't necessarily can just figure into Okay, well, 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.400 you know MVS is in in this situation, you can tell, 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:37.840 you know, they want to go and do this type 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.559 of play. You know, there's so much versatility with this 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.800 group that to my eye, as we get into this 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.760 game on Monday night, that's the number one thing I'm 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.640 gonna be looking for what kind of packages are they 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.640 rolling with, what kind of scheme are they rolling with? 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.280 And can you get that offensive line comfortable with a 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.600 running game so that those young guys can really feel 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.240 and in where they need to be at. Yeah, and 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.400 the bottom line with regard to all the us going 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.400 hand in hand is when you talk about showing all 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.480 those different looks and utilizing all that versatility and offense, 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.840 you have to run more than twelve plays in the 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.880 first half before you get into two minute mode at 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:12.360 the end of the half. And that goes for the 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.280 offense executing, that goes for the defense getting off the field. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.599 All of that is tied together in order to maximize 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.120 on that I started this last week. So I'll throw 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:23.680 it at you again. We've talked about a lot of 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.800 different keys to victory here, but in terms of a statistic, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.760 a stat you're gonna look at other than the scoreboard 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.200 that tells you the Packers will win this game on 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.600 Monday night, it would be really easy for me to 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.720 use your turnover stat again because I think, again, like 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:39.240 I said from last week, with some of the un 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.760 scouted a lot of those things are still gonna hold 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.440 true in this game. The Packers got to win the 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.280 turnover margin. But for me, I actually think it goes 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.600 back to the gold zone. I think it is when 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.880 the Packers are in the twenty yard line being able 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.880 to finish off drives. That was the opposite inverse of 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.080 that against New Orleans. They were turning the ball over 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.840 in that area. That's not like this offense. It's definitely 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.640 not like Aaron Rodgers. So yeah, whether it is getting 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.800 the run game going or some of the run action looks, 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.520 or just being able to find receivers open down field. 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.960 The Packers get inside the red area, they have to 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.400 be able to finish those drives. You can bring up 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.360 a lot of different statistics, Mike, but the difference between 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.400 what happened with Green Bay when they got into their 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.840 gold zone in the four for four that the Saints 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.360 went with in their area, that to me was the 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.720 biggest indicator of all. You can look at time of possession, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.600 you can look at third downs, you can look at turnovers, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.040 the inability to score when they had the opportunities, and 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.160 then also the Saints being able to get go for 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.280 a four for four, that was a huge difference in 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:35.880 that ball game. Yeah, and if if I were to 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.920 point to one stat I'm going I'll piggyback off of that, 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.240 but I'll point to all point to the third downs. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.080 I'll say the Packer. The Packers need to get back 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.080 to being on third down. That's what they were last year. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:47.760 That was one of the top marks in the league. 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.080 Packers did not convert a third down against the New 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.720 Orleans Saints with Aaron Rodgers in the game. The only 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.400 third down conversion was late in the fourth quarter when 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.640 Jordan's Love was in the game. Obviously, that is not 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.760 a recipe for success, and I think I think is 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.160 a good benchmark, whether it's four out of eight or 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.680 six out of twelve, or however it shakes out. But 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.320 I think if the Packers are converting their third downs, 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.400 I think they're ultimately going to score enough points to 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.040 beat the Detroit line. I agree with you wholeheartedly. And 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.600 and to that point too. How soon we forget last 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.160 year the run that they got in scoring on their 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.520 opening possession. It's not really a statistic, but if they're 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.680 able to put points up on the board, regardless of 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.840 whether or not they differ or however, it works out. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.720 If they're able that first offensive possession seven points is great, 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.880 three points is fine, but being able to actually get 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.640 a mark up on the board. You look at it, Mike, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.480 It's a rhythm based offense. It always has been. I 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.640 feel like if they can get that ball rolling in 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.720 the right direction, the offense can take care of itself 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.720 from there in the second quarter. All right. Looking elsewhere 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.120 in Week two, as I mentioned at the top of 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.000 the show, every and every as everybody knows, all four 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.560 teams in the NFC North are oh and one. So 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.560 elsewhere in the NFC North, Cincinnati goes to Chicago, the 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.439 Bengals coming off of that overtime victory over Minnesota, while 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:09.880 former Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton will face Um, his his 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.720 longtime club there at Soldier Field. And then in the 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.680 late afternoon window, Minnesota is at Arizona. Arizona coming off 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.720 of an impressive Week one victory over an a f 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.840 C playoff team in the Tennessee Titans. They really handled them. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.120 Minnesota frustrated with a with a road overtime defeat at 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.280 Cincinnati in Week one. These other two NFC North games 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.719 here West, what are your thoughts? Well, I would be remiss, 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.439 Mike if I didn't also mention. If you're gonna talk 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.480 about Andy Dalton facing the Bengals, Patrick Peterson, I'm going 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.000 to be playing the Arizona Cardinals right forgot so some 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.600 really good minor storylines for all the Beat writers in 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:50.120 those two markets to cover this week. Uh, huge gut 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.520 check moment for the for the Bears. I mean, as 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.760 as bad as it went for Green Bay against the Saints, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.760 I thought the way the game played out for the 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.919 Bears against the Rams was probably even equally as demoralizing. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.200 And that's for a team that already might be having 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.600 some quote unquote confidence issues going into the season. I 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.760 think Cincinnati's gonna put up some points this year. The 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.879 question is defensively, who you know? Are they gonna be 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.080 able to stop a lot of teams? I think Zach Taylor. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.040 I think what he has there that's a brilliant scheme. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.879 It's obviously an offshoot of the Sean McVeigh shanahan type 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.080 style the floor that we've seen in the league. I 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.440 thought they had some really smart concepts. I liked how 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.760 Burrows looked in that game. Um So, I think this 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.919 is a really good opportunity for Cincinnati to sort of 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:29.679 for a team that's been losing here the last two 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.720 or three years to kind of get the sales set 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.800 in the right direction against the Bears. The Minnesota Arizona 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.399 game is fascinating because Arizona comes out of the gate rolling. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.600 I mean, Chandon Chandler Jones, dude, I mean, you want 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.480 to talk about a guy that wants a contract in 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.480 his playing like he wants a contract My goodness. I 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.240 mean they might have to back up the Brinks truck 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:50.960 if he keeps the start going that he had in 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.560 Week one. And all it takes is one week and 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.560 everybody's talking about what's wrong with Minnesota's offensive line again 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.600