1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Packers dot com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: trusted colleague West hod Kuitz. We're coming to you here 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: from our studios at lambeau Field, and I have to 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: start today's show with an apology for those of you 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: are regular listeners viewers out there who count on us 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: to be on time and punctual with our postings. Tuesday's episode, 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: as you probably noticed, was not available until Wednesday, and 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: we are very sorry about that technical issue. It's been resolved. 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Hopefully it will not come up again. So here we 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: are on Thursday, West, and Thursday's episode will be posted 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 1: on Thursday, just so you know. Sure, there's a lot 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: of people out there that were just devastated that that 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: unscripted was not available on Tuesday to recap everything that 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: happened in that game on Sunday. But yeah, we hold 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: ourselves accountable here. We do hold ourselves accountable. We've made 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: the necessary correct and we're pushing forward. Now we're flushing 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: it and now we're pushing forward here to Detroit and 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: we are pushing forward to a game on Monday Night 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: Football in Week two against the Detroit Lions. Both teams, 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: as all the teams are in the NFC North, both 22 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: of these squads for Monday night are oh and one 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: searching for their first victory of The Detroit Lions have 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: a new head coach, they have a new quarterback. What 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: what's your initial I know we don't have a whole 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: lot to go on here, but what's your initial impression 27 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: of Detroit Lions. My initial impression is the Detroit Lions 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: have begun to take on that mentality of their head coach. 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: And I think when the chapter was closed on the 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: mat Patricia Era, I believe that there are people within 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: that building and understood where things went wrong the past 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: few years and where they need to get corrected. I'm 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: not even talking about wins and losses. I'm talking about culture, 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: talking about team building and what they showed me in 35 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: that game against San Francisco, Mike, very much like the 36 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: Packers against the Saints. They could not have really gotten 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: off to a worst start, but they bounced back. And yes, 38 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there saying they got 39 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: points in garbage time, in yards and garbage time, they 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: got it back within one score, and I thought that 41 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: showed a lot from Jared Goff to be able to 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: pick himself up. I thought that showed a lot on 43 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: the Lions not quitting on themselves after giving up twenty 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: four points in the in the second quarter. That was 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: a team that played until the bitter end in it. 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: For that reason, I think the Packers have to be 47 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: ready that they're going to see a very hunger Detroit 48 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Lions team on Monday Night. Yeah. Absolutely. The The The 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: only caveat that I give with regard to the Lions 50 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: come back and getting it within one score is that 51 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: they did catch a huge break with getting an onside 52 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: kick recovery in there, which is one of those less 53 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: than ten percent propositions these days in the NFL. So 54 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: that's not going to happen very often. And the final 55 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: score that game is very different if they don't get 56 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: that one fortunate break. But they got it, and they 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: did come within twenty five yards of a potential game 58 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: tying touchdown in a game they were down by twenty 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: four points with with less than six minutes to go. So, um, 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Jared Goff? This is a 61 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: big change for the Detroit Lions because Matthew Stafford. Yes, 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: he there were times he was injured here and there. 63 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: I get it. But Matthew Stafford was the Detroit Lions 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: quarterback for a long time. He was their franchise guy. 65 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: That has now changed. Jared Goff doesn't have I don't 66 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: think he has all of the physical tools and the 67 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: physical skills that Matthew Stafford has. But Jared Goff also 68 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: has a little bit more of a winning pedigree in 69 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: that he is a quarterback who has taken a team 70 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl. This is a really interesting change 71 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: in the NFC. North Well and he has a sharp 72 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: guy that's called plays for him and Anthony Lynn and 73 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: in understanding what they want to accomplish offensively. The former 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: Chargers head coach for Chargers head coach and Mike I'll 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: be honest with you, the You're absolutely right. Golf has 76 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: been there, he's done that, he's seen it. But when 77 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: he's been successful, he's had a really capable run game 78 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: along with him. And for the first time and my 79 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: as my child, my son's childbook, Little Blue Truck Goes, 80 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: I think it was or no, it was Gruff the 81 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: Grump the first time in a very long time. Uh, 82 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: they actually have a running game here that I think 83 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: they can actually hold, you know, hang their hat on 84 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: uh DeAndre Swift and Jamal Williams. I said it going 85 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: back to training camp. I said it going back to 86 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: the offseason program. I felt like Jamal Williams is one 87 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: of the best bargain buys in the national football Like 88 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: the Greenbay Packers were extremely tight against the cap. They 89 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: couldn't bring them back, but the Detroit Lions to get 90 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: them for what they got Jamal Williams for that game 91 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: last week, you saw how valuable this guy could be. 92 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: And he had over a hundred yards from scrimmage combining 93 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: the rushing and receiving yards if I read the stats correct, 94 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: and Swift wasn't as impressive on the ground but had 95 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: eight catches had touched on. They I think are going 96 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: to be a really good battery together and I feel 97 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: like Golf throughout the course of that game, you could 98 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: see his comfort in his familiarity with those two guys flourished. 99 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: They have weapons. Mike. I think t J. Hockenson in 100 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: addition to being on my fantasy football team, I didn't 101 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: draft him. It was an auto league. I don't even know. 102 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: I was drafting, but he end up having a really 103 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: good week for me. These guys, there's talent there for 104 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: him to work off of the question I'm going to 105 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: have though, is what happens when adversity hits What happens 106 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: when people start to hit the counters against the Lions? 107 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: Jared Goff, I don't anticipate is gonna be a guy 108 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: that's gonna be thrown the ball fifty plus times a game. Yeah, 109 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: that's that's not going to be their formula for success 110 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: when that happens. I don't think the win loss ratio 111 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: is exceedingly high for golf over the years in those situations. 112 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: But he is a legitimate NFL starting quarterback and there 113 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: was a reason why the Lions felt like this was 114 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: the best package that they could get in this trade 115 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: for Matthew Stafford. It really is just going to come 116 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: down to whether or not he could play disciplined and 117 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: in those moments where he gets shut down, if he 118 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: could find a way to get the offense rolling again. Yeah, well, 119 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned the Lions running game. You mentioned t J. Hockenson, 120 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: the tight end um young rising star I think in 121 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: this league, uh, coming out of Iowa, very high draft 122 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: pick that gets us, you know, right into some of 123 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: our keys to victory here. I think when you look 124 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: at the Packers defense, you look at what happened last 125 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: week against the Saints, a lot of trouble stopping the 126 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: run and giving up two touchdown passes to a tight end, 127 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: not to mention also a crucial fourth down conversion on 128 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: a screen to a tight end. So looking at all this, 129 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: how much do the how much do the Lions come 130 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: in here on Monday night with DeAndre Swift, Jamal Williams 131 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: and t J Hockenson and those guys being the focal 132 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: point of their offense and how they attack the pack 133 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: and and this guy is not on the same levels 134 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: those other three. But even look at Quentin se Fist 135 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: being able to get a touchdown in that game against 136 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: former University of Wisconsin wide receiver and sort of a 137 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: hybrid across type player. Uh, those are the type of 138 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: players that have given Green Bay issues the past few years, 139 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: and it gives them a lot of different looks in 140 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: this game against Detroit. I'm going back to what I 141 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: said last week, Mike, nothing changes. Just because the Packers 142 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: lost by thirty five points doesn't mean that the recipe 143 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: for success to win that game is any different. You 144 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: have to win up front, and you got to do 145 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: it on both sides of the ball. There was one 146 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: statistic that I looked up when I was doing insider 147 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: in Boxes past week. The Packers now are one in 148 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: six all time, at least since two thousand eighteen when 149 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones was a starter, where they've actually in games 150 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: in which Jones has not carried the ball more than 151 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: ten times, they're one in six. They won one of 152 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: those games, the game against in two thousand eighteen. I 153 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: believe against San Francisco. They got to get the ball 154 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: in Aaron Jones's hands. They have to get the ball 155 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: on a J. Dillon's hands. And on the opposite side 156 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: of things, you can't let teams gash you for six 157 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: seven eight yards of pop on the run game. That 158 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 1: was my biggest concern in that game against the Saints. 159 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't that Kamara ended up hitting a sixty yard 160 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: gainer down the field. It was the fact that their 161 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: longest carry was fifteen yards and Green Bay still gave 162 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: up as many yards on the ground as they did. 163 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: You have to control the tempo and when you're facing 164 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: a team whose head coach is talking about biting off 165 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: kneecaps and drinking as much coffee as is available within 166 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: the Starbucks you know, entire industry. You have to be 167 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: able to bring that energy and that is the biggest 168 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: thing that I think has to change in this game. 169 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: Everyone loves Jamal Williams's a fantastic dude, great personality. Packers 170 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: got a find a way to stop him on Monday Night. Yeah, 171 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: I think. I think it definitely starts with with changing 172 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: the narrative with the run defense right away for the 173 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: Packers based on what happened last Sunday, before we switch 174 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: to the offensive side. 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I believe it's going to feel 184 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: very differently in terms of how the Packers go about 185 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: things offensively. Now, you obviously want the defense to not 186 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: give up to fifteen play touchdown drives, which you know 187 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: throws everything off in terms of possessions, everything becomes disjointed, 188 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: the clock all that. But I do think we're going 189 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: to see the Packers very, very focused on running the football, 190 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: establishing that run, the play action everything with with Matt 191 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: Lafleur's passing game, there's so much of that effective stuff 192 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: comes off of of play action. I really think Aaron 193 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: Jones and a J. Dillon are going to have their 194 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: hands on the ball quite a bit Monday night. I agree, 195 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: And I didn't mean to jump, you know in the 196 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: last segment talking about this, but it goes on both 197 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: sides of the ball, does absolutely and you have to 198 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: stop the ball and Mike, you look historically the big conversation. 199 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure when we talk to Aaron Rodgers latter day, 200 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's gonna come up again as the two 201 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: shell I've been hearing that, you know, since I was 202 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: three years old. And I mean the fact of the 203 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: matter is, I mean, over the last ten eleven years, 204 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: teams have settled that's the blueprint. That's the formula. It's 205 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: not the blueprint in the formula. All it is is 206 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: that if a team throws two safeties and its back 207 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: end and there we go light in the box, You've 208 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: got to be able to run the ball against that front. 209 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: Doesn't matter if you're running back is Eddie Lacey, James Starks, 210 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: you know Tie Montgomery. Now with Aaron Jones, you have 211 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: to be able to push the ball through those gaps 212 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: and from there that's where the Packers offense starts to 213 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: look like itself again. Why was Matt Lafleur's scheme such 214 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: a great fit for Green Bay because they had a 215 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: lot of the tools that he needed to be successful 216 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: here when you look at having Aaron Jones developing and 217 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams as just as steady as it goes back, 218 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: I to be honest with you, Mike, for as little 219 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: as we saw him in that game against the Saints, 220 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: I was pretty darn and pressed with a J. Dillon. 221 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: I actually thought he hit the whole pretty well, only 222 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: had four carries, but took it for nineteen yards. If 223 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: they can get that one too, combination going get them 224 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: twenty touches touch is together. That's where you can see 225 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: the jet sweeps open up, the slant passes open up, 226 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: the Robert Tonyan passes open up. I really you know, 227 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers hit it. I think he said it perfectly 228 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: when when he talked about how you know things go 229 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: in cycles. Right, there's going to be moments where you're 230 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: going to have adversity. You're not gonna look great, people 231 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: are gonna start to question things, and it will come 232 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: back again. I think that's the biggest key for Green Bay. 233 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: You have to come up with more energy. You have 234 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: to play better in the first quarter, but don't feel 235 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: like you don't have a team that isn't meant to 236 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: be there. They do. They just gotta get that swagger back. 237 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: And I think it starts with the run game. Yeah, 238 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: it starts with the run game, and then it continues, 239 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, with doing what the Packers do best, or 240 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: I should say what they did best last year, which 241 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: was to be one of the best teams in the 242 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: league on third down and in the red zone. We 243 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: saw both of those go away from them in Week 244 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: one against the Saints. And you know, when you look 245 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: at the third downs. Obviously, when you're in third and 246 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: eight and third and twelve and third and thirteen, that's 247 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: not where you want to be while you get in 248 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: the better third downs suations by running the football. Everything 249 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: everything goes hand in hand here. And why were the 250 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: Packers so successful in the red zone last year? Well 251 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: in part because they ran the heck out of the 252 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: ball in the red zone and then that set up 253 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: the play action for Davante Adams and Robert Tonyan to 254 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: both get double digit touchdowns. All that so it all, 255 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: it all goes hand in hand. And I think with 256 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: this Matt Lafleor offense, we've seen it enough now, you know, 257 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: thirty plus games over the course of his two plus 258 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: seasons here that that that you have to be able 259 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: to run the football with some level of authority and 260 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: some level of consistency, consistency for this offense to be 261 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: to be in rhythm, to be flowing, and to be 262 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: at its best. And a lot of that too, Mike 263 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: comes with multiplicity, It comes with different types of looks, 264 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: and last week a lot of it, because of what 265 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: the game dictated, we didn't see in the over abundance 266 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: of those looks. As I was mentioning before, a lot 267 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: of letting personnel, a lot of no huddle, and you 268 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: saw Aaron Rodgers having to kind of extend plays. Again, 269 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: it's just stuff that doesn't look like the offense looks 270 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: like when they're in a rhythm. Now, they took a one, 271 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, an unfortunate hit to their offensive, you know 272 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: arsenal when Josiah Deguar goes down with the concussion. But 273 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: there's a reason why Dominic Daphne was kept on this 274 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: fifty three. I mean, that's kind of their backup at 275 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: that h back type tight end role that they have 276 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: this game in particular, Mike, I want to I keep 277 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: saying the jet motions, but you know, I want to 278 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: see more Randall cob I want to maybe see some 279 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: Amari Rodgers. I want to give the defense different looks 280 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: so that you don't necessarily can just figure into Okay, well, 281 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: you know MVS is in in this situation, you can tell, 282 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, they want to go and do this type 283 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: of play. You know, there's so much versatility with this 284 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: group that to my eye, as we get into this 285 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: game on Monday night, that's the number one thing I'm 286 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: gonna be looking for what kind of packages are they 287 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: rolling with, what kind of scheme are they rolling with? 288 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: And can you get that offensive line comfortable with a 289 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: running game so that those young guys can really feel 290 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: and in where they need to be at. Yeah, and 291 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: the bottom line with regard to all the us going 292 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: hand in hand is when you talk about showing all 293 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: those different looks and utilizing all that versatility and offense, 294 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: you have to run more than twelve plays in the 295 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: first half before you get into two minute mode at 296 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: the end of the half. And that goes for the 297 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: offense executing, that goes for the defense getting off the field. 298 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 1: All of that is tied together in order to maximize 299 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: on that I started this last week. So I'll throw 300 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: it at you again. We've talked about a lot of 301 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: different keys to victory here, but in terms of a statistic, 302 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: a stat you're gonna look at other than the scoreboard 303 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: that tells you the Packers will win this game on 304 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: Monday night, it would be really easy for me to 305 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: use your turnover stat again because I think, again, like 306 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: I said from last week, with some of the un 307 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: scouted a lot of those things are still gonna hold 308 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: true in this game. The Packers got to win the 309 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: turnover margin. But for me, I actually think it goes 310 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: back to the gold zone. I think it is when 311 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: the Packers are in the twenty yard line being able 312 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: to finish off drives. That was the opposite inverse of 313 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: that against New Orleans. They were turning the ball over 314 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: in that area. That's not like this offense. It's definitely 315 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: not like Aaron Rodgers. So yeah, whether it is getting 316 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: the run game going or some of the run action looks, 317 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: or just being able to find receivers open down field. 318 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: The Packers get inside the red area, they have to 319 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: be able to finish those drives. You can bring up 320 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: a lot of different statistics, Mike, but the difference between 321 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: what happened with Green Bay when they got into their 322 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: gold zone in the four for four that the Saints 323 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: went with in their area, that to me was the 324 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: biggest indicator of all. You can look at time of possession, 325 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: you can look at third downs, you can look at turnovers, 326 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: the inability to score when they had the opportunities, and 327 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: then also the Saints being able to get go for 328 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: a four for four, that was a huge difference in 329 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: that ball game. Yeah, and if if I were to 330 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: point to one stat I'm going I'll piggyback off of that, 331 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: but I'll point to all point to the third downs. 332 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: I'll say the Packer. The Packers need to get back 333 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: to being on third down. That's what they were last year. 334 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: That was one of the top marks in the league. 335 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: Packers did not convert a third down against the New 336 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: Orleans Saints with Aaron Rodgers in the game. The only 337 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: third down conversion was late in the fourth quarter when 338 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: Jordan's Love was in the game. Obviously, that is not 339 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: a recipe for success, and I think I think is 340 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: a good benchmark, whether it's four out of eight or 341 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: six out of twelve, or however it shakes out. But 342 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: I think if the Packers are converting their third downs, 343 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: I think they're ultimately going to score enough points to 344 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: beat the Detroit line. I agree with you wholeheartedly. And 345 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: and to that point too. How soon we forget last 346 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: year the run that they got in scoring on their 347 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: opening possession. It's not really a statistic, but if they're 348 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: able to put points up on the board, regardless of 349 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: whether or not they differ or however, it works out. 350 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: If they're able that first offensive possession seven points is great, 351 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: three points is fine, but being able to actually get 352 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: a mark up on the board. You look at it, Mike, 353 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: It's a rhythm based offense. It always has been. I 354 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: feel like if they can get that ball rolling in 355 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: the right direction, the offense can take care of itself 356 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: from there in the second quarter. All right. Looking elsewhere 357 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: in Week two, as I mentioned at the top of 358 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: the show, every and every as everybody knows, all four 359 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: teams in the NFC North are oh and one. So 360 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: elsewhere in the NFC North, Cincinnati goes to Chicago, the 361 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: Bengals coming off of that overtime victory over Minnesota, while 362 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: former Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton will face Um, his his 363 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: longtime club there at Soldier Field. And then in the 364 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: late afternoon window, Minnesota is at Arizona. Arizona coming off 365 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: of an impressive Week one victory over an a f 366 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: C playoff team in the Tennessee Titans. They really handled them. 367 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: Minnesota frustrated with a with a road overtime defeat at 368 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: Cincinnati in Week one. These other two NFC North games 369 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: here West, what are your thoughts? Well, I would be remiss, 370 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: Mike if I didn't also mention. If you're gonna talk 371 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: about Andy Dalton facing the Bengals, Patrick Peterson, I'm going 372 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: to be playing the Arizona Cardinals right forgot so some 373 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: really good minor storylines for all the Beat writers in 374 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: those two markets to cover this week. Uh, huge gut 375 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: check moment for the for the Bears. I mean, as 376 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: as bad as it went for Green Bay against the Saints, 377 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: I thought the way the game played out for the 378 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: Bears against the Rams was probably even equally as demoralizing. 379 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: And that's for a team that already might be having 380 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: some quote unquote confidence issues going into the season. I 381 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: think Cincinnati's gonna put up some points this year. The 382 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: question is defensively, who you know? Are they gonna be 383 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: able to stop a lot of teams? I think Zach Taylor. 384 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: I think what he has there that's a brilliant scheme. 385 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: It's obviously an offshoot of the Sean McVeigh shanahan type 386 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: style the floor that we've seen in the league. I 387 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: thought they had some really smart concepts. I liked how 388 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: Burrows looked in that game. Um So, I think this 389 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: is a really good opportunity for Cincinnati to sort of 390 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: for a team that's been losing here the last two 391 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: or three years to kind of get the sales set 392 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: in the right direction against the Bears. The Minnesota Arizona 393 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: game is fascinating because Arizona comes out of the gate rolling. 394 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Chandon Chandler Jones, dude, I mean, you want 395 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: to talk about a guy that wants a contract in 396 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: his playing like he wants a contract My goodness. I 397 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: mean they might have to back up the Brinks truck 398 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: if he keeps the start going that he had in 399 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: Week one. And all it takes is one week and 400 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: everybody's talking about what's wrong with Minnesota's offensive line again 401 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: and it comes mr five sacks in Week one. Chandler 402 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: Jones to uh, to try to exploit that. Yeah, so 403 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: seeing uh, you know Arizona, we know the game there. 404 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: You know they're gonna put up points. I think Kyler 405 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: Murray is a brilliant young quarterback. Uh. For the NFC North, 406 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: those two games with Chicago Minnesota, there's a lot on 407 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: the line there as far as a Week two game 408 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: is concerned. Yeah, I mean a lot on the line 409 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: honestly for everybody in the NFC North because you don't 410 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: want to be owing to nobody, nobody wants to be 411 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: owing to There are a lot of statistics out there 412 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: in terms of what that means with with regard to 413 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: the percentage chances and whatnot, in what history shows in 414 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: terms of making the playoffs. So either the Detroit Lions 415 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: or the green Bay Packers will be one on one here, 416 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: and the Packers obviously wanted to be them. And how 417 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: crazy is the schedule for green Bay? I mean you 418 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: have your first ten games and you're playing the division twice. 419 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: I think that's how that works out in terms of 420 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: their schedule. I mean, I know the division, the Division 421 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: games are backloaded. Yeah, they're getting a lot of you know, 422 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: the Minnesota after November. Uh that whereas last year the 423 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: first two games of the season where Minneso Ota in 424 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: Detroit you had two year six Division games were you know, 425 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: we're gone right off the bat. So to your point, 426 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: schedule this year very high stakes, very interesting schedule. I 427 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: mean we don't need to talk about this, we already 428 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: discussed it in the spring. But to see Detroit and 429 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: then you have some a f C opponents coming up, um, yeah, 430 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be an interesting one for green Bay for sure. Yeah, 431 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: all right. Well, with that, we'll call it a wrap 432 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow 433 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: all of our coverage of Monday night's game from lambeau 434 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: Field against the Lions. We'll have it all for you 435 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: on packers dot com for West, I'm Mike. Thank you 436 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: for tuning in, everybody. We will see you next time.