1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Look to the folks at Farm Bureau Health Plans when 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: you need someone who understands the xs and o's of 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: healthcare coverage. They've been protecting Tennessee and since nineteen forty 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: seven with Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith, and I apologize 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: for the late start of our OTPET taping. I was 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: visiting with Titan's assistant coach Jim Schwartz, catching up. We 8 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: had not spoken in person in I guess eleven years whoa, 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: and so we were sort of going back and forth 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: a little bit and that was why I was late 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: getting to our taping site. And my apology, well, yeah, 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: you were definitely late, and so I've just been eating 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: snacks until you got here. So I appreciate that. But 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: what did you guys talk about? I would love to 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: kind of hear the backstory, because I hear so much 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: about Jim Schwartz, but I've never I've never met him. 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Were together for what amounted to my first eleven years 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: with the team, and he came in as a defensive 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: assistant and then moved up to linebacker coach and then 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: became defensive coordinator and then left to become head coach 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: of the Detroit Lions. Of course, then he went to 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Buffalo and Philadelphia, and now he's back here. He had 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: moved his family back here years ago. So Jim, because 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: the kids and everybody that the thought is they want 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: to go to high school in the same place. And 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, I was a family decision. A lot of 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: coaches do that, as you know. And so he's been 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: in the community and tons of people have seen him 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: and have said, Jim Schwartz was at Kroger or Jim 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: Schwartz was here, and yet I had had a chance 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: to visit with him. He's one of the brightest people 32 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: that I've ever met in coaching, and I'm just talking 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: about as a human being. Jim is so smart. Went 34 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: to Georgetown, Yeah, so that immediately tells you something. Not 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: everybody gets to go to Georgetown. Really interested in a 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: lot of different things outside the sports world, but also 37 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: within the sports world. He's like a huge baseball fan. 38 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: His kids, you know, really have have done well. And 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: he has one more daughter left in high school and 40 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: so she's wrapping up that. And I think he's just 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: in a really good place and I think he's very 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: excited to be part of this program. And you know, 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: that was that was what we were just sort of discussing, 44 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: was how his role is filling out. And I think 45 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: he's very comfortable being sort of an overseer, a special assistant. 46 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: And I think he's going to add a lot to 47 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: what Shane Bowen is doing on defense and a lot 48 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: to what Mike Vrabel does with the entire team because 49 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: of the completeness of his experience having been a head 50 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: coach and having been a coordinator in different places, and 51 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: he knows here, you know, he knows the Titans organization, 52 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: and so that's a that's a good thing. He seems 53 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: like a Mike Vrabel guy. And I mean that very 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: glowingly like that. That is definitely a compliment a Mike 55 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: Vrabel guy. Well, the reason I think that's true is 56 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: he was with Belichick in Cleveland, and so he's got 57 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: the Bilichick tie, and so they come from the same family. 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: It's why John Robinson understands Mike Vrabel and Mike Vrabel 59 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: understands John Robinson. Is there's this thinking process. It's like 60 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: this week the Titans signed Trevon Coley, a defensive lineman 61 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: who's been with seven teams and I think played for 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: four and has done a nice job. And then they 63 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: signed Abray Jones, who we've played against since twenty thirteen 64 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: and has always really played well in Jacksonville's defensive line 65 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: against US. Those are typical Belichick type moves. And I 66 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: was listening to Pat Kirwin, my idol on Serious XM, 67 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: talking about this, and I thought the same thing this morning. 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: Belichick always tries to find those valuable veteran on the 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: back end of free agency, because you get these guys 70 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 1: in and if they can still play, I mean you've 71 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: gotten a bonus because right now they don't have any 72 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: leverages free agents. They just want a job. If they 73 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: can't play, you're not out anything, right, you know, you 74 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 1: just move on. And so Belichick has revived so many 75 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: careers in New England by just giving veteran players at 76 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: key positions like defensive line a chance. The Kohley Jones 77 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: moves this week are typical of that, and I think 78 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna see not just the Titans, but other teams 79 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: continue to do that because if you look at the 80 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: list of free agents who are out there, still there 81 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of good veteran players that are out 82 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: there who just have no leverage because there's not a 83 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: lot of money in the market, right, and so this 84 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: is a really cool opportunity for teams to infuse experience, 85 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: infuse veteran leadership, use wisdom in a locker room for 86 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: not a ton of money, and maybe get some really 87 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: valuable pieces out of it, and infuse competition. Yep, that's 88 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: the other part, because I think when you look at 89 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: both of these players, they were undrafteds originally. They want 90 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: a job. The guys who are six seventh round picks 91 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: undrafteds or guys who have lost a job somewhere else. 92 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: You want a fourth of your players on the back 93 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: end of the roster. Maybe not that many, maybe twenty percent, 94 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: but you want those guys who are desperately fighting for 95 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: a job. They realize that this pays great money. They 96 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: want to play football, they want to stay in the NFL. 97 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: There's a sense of desperation to them in how they 98 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: go to meetings, in how they practice. And so some 99 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: of the young guys who maybe made it as undrafteds before, 100 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: made it as late round draft picks before, quickly learn 101 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: you better keep that hung because you are guaranteed of nothing. Right. 102 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: The guys like Wesley Woodyard, who was such a player 103 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: here in the later part of his career. I mean 104 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: it was because he was an undrafted guy who was 105 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: able to find his niche do a good job and 106 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: fight like hell for a job. Well, he never got 107 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: over the whole chip on the shoulder thing, right, and 108 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: that part of it staying with you. Like Abray Jones. 109 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: I would be an example. So when I would talk 110 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: to our offensive coordinators in production meetings before Jacksonville games, 111 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,559 Speaker 1: they would always talk about, we got to block Abray 112 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: Jones six four or three eight team, we got to 113 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: find a way to block him. Everyone would be talking 114 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: about Klais Campbell or Yannicking Gockway or Miles Jack or whomever, 115 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: but they would start there. They would say, he's the 116 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: guy that makes them kind of go. He is that 117 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: set piece. And so last year when we went down 118 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: to play them in December and Derrick Henry had the 119 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: big game, Abray Jones was not in the field. He 120 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: was out with an injury, and so suddenly they don't 121 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: have to worry about blocking him. He's twenty nine, he's 122 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: played eight years in the league. He's played over one 123 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: hundred games in this league. He's got fifty two starts. 124 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea what he has left. I got 125 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: no clue. I have no idea about his injury status, 126 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: no clue. But he's been a productive player in this league. 127 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: And for a Tier tart, you better keep it hot, friend, 128 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: And for guys like that, you've got to keep motoring 129 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: because a professional like this is gonna come in and 130 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: Kohlie and they're gonna put the heat on you. That's 131 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: the idea. Let this be a public service announcement to 132 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: Titans fans just everywhere. It's not about the flashy names 133 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: all the time. Do you need the consistent people to 134 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: build a team. It's not a team of just five 135 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: people whose names you've heard or who you've played video 136 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: games as. It's about the building blocks of a team. 137 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: You need everybody. You need everybody, And what you're looking 138 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: for is you're looking for the best five to go 139 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: on your roster and the best four to be on 140 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: game day right in the defensive line is what I'm 141 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: talking about. Ed. So, if Abrey Jones or Trevon Cohlie 142 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: makes you better than what you had, you know for Murchison. 143 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: They're expecting Laurel Murchison to play a bigger role this year, 144 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: but they're going to push you. Yep. There's just nobody 145 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: guaranteed of anything, especially on defense, where you weren't very 146 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: good last year. The defensive side of the ball in 147 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: general is very interesting to me this year because there 148 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: were so many good things and there were so many 149 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: frustrating things. So finding out how they're going to enhance 150 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: the good, bring in new people to increase it even more, 151 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: and then iron out some of the wrinkles from last year. 152 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: What have you seen in practice so far that you 153 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: can share with the ot people. You know, OTAs are 154 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: an interesting days. OTAs for the OTP. It's a lot 155 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: of abbreviations here, just just a lot. OTAs are an 156 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: interesting time because sometimes you get a lot of install 157 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of teaching. This year, it's felt like practice, 158 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It feels like they're not 159 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: trying to figure out some of the very basic things. 160 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: It feels like they're elevating and they're working, especially this 161 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: week with more veterans in absolutely this was the week 162 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: that we saw a lot of veteran players out on 163 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: the field. The first week, there weren't as many veterans there, 164 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: so we're all kind of looking around, like, who are 165 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: these people, because we haven't seen them without masks is 166 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: the other right, So we haven't seen faces in so long. 167 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: So now that there's some veteran people out on the field, 168 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: you're like, Oh, the Tennessee Titans, I remember you, guys, 169 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: And it's been great. It feels like a mid season 170 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: football practice to me. I thought last week was interesting 171 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: with a lot of the starters not out there because 172 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: it was a great opportunity for guys who are either 173 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: pushing for starting jobs, or pushing for playing time, or 174 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: just pushing for roster spots to get incredibly valuable reps. Yeah, 175 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: and you've got a guy like Brion Orders. Brion Borders 176 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: is a guy who played some good corner for the 177 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: Titans last year, and you're wondering, you know, could could 178 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: he sort of take over that Lashawn Simms Tye Smith role. 179 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that he's a starter, but could he 180 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: be the rotational corner that you play because on paper 181 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: and it's not right to assume, but I'm gonna do 182 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: it anyway. Christian Fulton and Caleb Farley, you figure probably 183 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: your starters Generous Jenkins could be a starter. You're thinking 184 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: that Molden could be a starter. You're not thinking Brion 185 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: Borders is a starter. Probably, But what if he becomes 186 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: a guy you're totally comfortable playing because now he's been 187 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: in your system for a year. I mean, that's a 188 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: find at not an expensive price, and that's quality depth. 189 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: So for those guys, that's a good thing. The other 190 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: guy that jumped out to me last week was a 191 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: Monti Hooker and then carrying it over to this week 192 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: with him being paired with Kevin Byard, and Kevin Byard 193 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: said something about a Monti Hooker. Amani Hooker looks like 194 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: a really good player on defense now, not just a 195 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: guy who's playing. He looks like a good player, a 196 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: different guy than two years ago. Absolutely, he looks comfortable. 197 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: He looks like that leader that he has said before 198 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: that he wanted to walk into that he wanted to 199 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: become a leader on that side of the ball because 200 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: we've had some guys leave who were leaders. So for 201 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: him to be able to make that step, still get 202 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: in the work, get the extra reps, and then still 203 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: fit in with the veteran group when they're out there 204 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: and feel like he fits right in. That is great 205 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: for the Tennessee Titans, especially that defensive backs group, yep, 206 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: because you're trying to find all of the fits, especially 207 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: due to the fact that you were in five and 208 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: six defensive back packages so much. There are realistically twelve 209 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: starters on defense when you consider the nickel as the 210 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: twelfth starter, because the nickel will probably start more games 211 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL in this day and time than the 212 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: third defensive lineman will. Right, you don't need as many 213 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: defensive linemen because you're very rarely going to play you 214 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: five guys in those spots. You're you're only going to 215 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: keep four up on game day. It's why a guy 216 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: like I give you an example, Rashad Weaver, the fourth 217 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: round pick out of Pittsburgh. If Rashad Weaver can get 218 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: to the season, the off the field thing, you know, 219 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: gets cleared up and he can become part of the 220 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: football team. Now that's an f and it's still out 221 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: there obviously, but he could line up as an outside linebacker, 222 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: but in passing downs he can put his hand down 223 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: and also be a rush defensive lineman. You're looking for 224 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: guys who have the ability to do those sorts of 225 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: things to play in those packages. Variety, variety, variety. You 226 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: want to be able to move things around, show different looks, 227 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: and have people who can fit in different space. Versatility, Yeah, 228 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: versus is a big deal overall. Amy and other news 229 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: that hit Friday afternoon. The Titans placed cornerback Kevin Johnson 230 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: on the reserve retired list, which makes Brion Borders even 231 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: more valuable now because kJ was a guy that they 232 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: were counting on for corner depth but also to play 233 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: that nickel. Yes, absolutely interesting move, but great time for 234 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: Brion Boarders, for Breon Borders, for Chris Jackson, yes, potentially 235 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: on the inside, for Elijah Molden on the inside. This 236 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: will change some calculus offensive line swap as well. The 237 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: team has waved injured tackle Anthony McKenney, who was an 238 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: opt out last year for COVID reasons. In twenty twenty, 239 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: they have waived him injured and they have added Adam 240 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: Coon to the roster. He is a three time All 241 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: America wrestler at the University of Michigan, was an All 242 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: State linebacker in high school and is just some kind 243 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: of overall athlete and so trying to make it in 244 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: the NFL as an offensive lineman. Adam Coon added to 245 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: the mix to begin OTA's next week and head towards 246 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: the Mini Cam'm gonna give him a look a lot 247 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: to watch in the coming weeks. Wrestlers are oftentimes outstanding linemen. 248 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: Really good hands, that's it. They know how to use 249 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: their bodies, they know angles, they are great with hand placement, 250 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: and they generally have exceedingly strong hands, which is a 251 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: big deal in terms of either grabbing onto somebody and 252 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: not letting them get away, or if you're a defensive lineman, 253 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: grabbing a hold of someone, as we'd like to say 254 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: in Tennessee, grabbing a hold of someone and getting them 255 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: out of the way. Yeah, two valuable things to be 256 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: able to do if you're playing on a line of 257 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: some sort that's well put. Yes, all right, So let's 258 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: talk about the Julio Jones non story of the week. 259 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: I get the sense that as the entire NFL watches 260 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: the Julio Jones thing, that people bull are surprised that 261 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: nothing has happened with Julio Jones in Atlanta. Really, the 262 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: situation is pretty simple. The Falcons have to clear cap rahim, 263 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: Julio Jones doesn't want to be there anymore. He's got 264 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: a big cap number. They can trade him now because 265 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: it's a post June first, three pm Central Time trade, 266 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: so they can divide his cap hit over two years 267 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: and they can save a bunch of money. They're not 268 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: going to cut him because they're gonna try to get 269 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: something for him. That's the whole thing. So now, as 270 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: it has been talked about by people, and I was 271 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: discussing this with somebody last night and they said, are 272 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: the Titans going to sign Hulio Jones? And I said no, 273 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: And this person looked at me like, well, like you 274 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: would have to trade for him. That's the complication. This 275 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: is not Jadevian clowney. This is a guy you're going 276 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: to have to make a trade for, which means you're 277 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: trading for his contract, you're trading for him, you're trading 278 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: an ass at, And that part of it is out 279 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: there right now. So from that standpoint, I'm not surprised 280 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: that it has been as complicated as what it is 281 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: because people know the Falcons have to do something, and 282 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: what do we always say about draft or free agency 283 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: or anything. The biggest problem you have in all of 284 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: this is when you have to do something right, because 285 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: you lose all your leverage. You lose every bit of leverage. 286 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: Do you think, in your professional opinion, Mike Keith, that 287 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: this could linger on into training camps. I don't think so, 288 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: because they've got to sign their draft picks. I think 289 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: the time limit on this is probably mid July. But 290 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean it would be surprising if it went on 291 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: that long. I think they're gonna want it cleared up 292 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: sooner than later. I would think at some point their 293 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: ownership would pick up the phone. If he keeps reading 294 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: the paper and the Falcons aren't looking very good in 295 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: this and he just tells his young general manager go 296 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: do something. Terry Fontino is a new GM, and I 297 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: think he's in a position that he's not going to 298 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: take a big hit for whatever he does here. So 299 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: if he only gets a three, I don't think it 300 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: hurts Terry Fontino the GM one way or the other. 301 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: If it was a situation where the eight year GM 302 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: is doing it, then he looks bad. I think the 303 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: way the Falcons look bad is the longer this lingers on, 304 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: and then as they go through their OTAs and their 305 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: veteran minicamp. Then they continue to get asked about it. 306 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: The veteran players get asked about it. Matt Ryan gets 307 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,959 Speaker 1: asked about it. Are they gonna make a deal with 308 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: Julio that he doesn't have to show up for veteran 309 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: minicamp because that's the only thing in the off season 310 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: you can force somebody to do. It's mandatory. Yeah, it's 311 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: a dark cloud. It's a dark cloud right now. And 312 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: you've got you sense that they're all these teams laying 313 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: in the weed and they have not made their best 314 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: offer because their feeling is the Falcons are not going 315 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: to have as much to choose from as they hope 316 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: they're going to have to choose from. Yeah, So, if 317 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: you're a team that thinks maybe you're playing the long game, 318 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: you're waiting it out a little bit to see how 319 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: desperate the other guy. Well, and here's the other thing 320 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: you're doing too, You're watching your players in mini camp 321 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: to see how certain young guys are doing at positions. 322 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: Because let's say, if a young guy is playing well 323 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: at tight end, just hypothetically for random NFLT, so you've 324 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: got a young guy who's playing well at tight end, 325 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: and you decide to make the trade for Julio Jones, 326 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: and you've got a clear cap in order to do it, 327 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: then you can go tell your twelve year tight end, 328 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: your veteran guy, we're sorry, we're gonna have to cut 329 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: you because they need the cap room and because you 330 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: know that young guy can now take his place. Interest. 331 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: So you are spending this time every day that a 332 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: team gets, you're spending this time evaluating your own roster, 333 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: because essentially everybody who's involved, supposedly with Julio Jones will 334 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: have to make moves in other places to free up money. 335 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: The talk that's out there is that you restructure contracts 336 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: if you can help doing that. You really don't want 337 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: to do that. You would rather make another move. But 338 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: whomever the team is that takes Julio Jones is dictating 339 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: a series of other moves based on the fact that 340 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: you take on his contract. You're gonna either have to 341 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: cut somebody now or not extend somebody, or you're gonna 342 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: have to figure out how you're gonna pay somebody down 343 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: the line that you had already figured out a plan 344 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: what you were going to do. I mean, there are 345 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: a lot of things that will go into this. The 346 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: other thing, too is let's say you deal him for 347 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: a two, Well, then you're not going to have that 348 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: two next year and you need well you generally do it. 349 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: I mean, let's look at the Titans two's, you know, 350 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: let's talk about Derrick Henry. Let's talk about A. J. Brown. 351 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Harold Landry. Let's talk about Christian Fulton. 352 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Dylan Raidens. All of these guys are 353 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: very much part of your plan for the twenty twenty 354 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: one Titans. The twenty twenty two two would be a 355 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: part of your team as well. In most cases, those 356 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: players are are guys that you are counting on to 357 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: become starters because their cost over their first four years 358 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: is low, right, right, And so you get a really 359 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: good player at a really reasonable price until they get 360 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: to the second contract when you really have to pay them. 361 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: And if you make this deal for Julio Jones, you 362 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: don't get that guy next year. Man, if you're Julio Jones, 363 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: how annoyed are you at the twenty twenty season and 364 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: what the cap has become? Well, and here's the other thing. 365 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: They're rumors out there he wants a new contract. Well, 366 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean I believe he's a good player, 367 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: player formed, fantastic. I mean we use the word great 368 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: too much. Yeah, but we're talking about a great player. Yeah. 369 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: I think he's a future Hall of Fame. But I 370 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: laugh because with what money. And that's just not coming 371 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: from the Tennessee. That's across the league with what money. 372 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: And I think the I think the Jones thing as 373 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: far as what it goes for the fan base and 374 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: what they're seeing now. And I'm talking about the NFL 375 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: fan base, I think they're seeing the complication of this 376 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: year and next coming true. In this instance, everybody thought 377 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: he was going to be dealt by three thirty Central 378 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: time on Tuesday. Yep. Anybody you talk, has he been traded? 379 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: Is it over? Is it? It's like everybody's refreshing Twitter 380 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: and that right, And there were these reports, Oh there's 381 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: a one. At the time, I'm sitting there going really 382 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: really seriously, somebody's going to trade a one because to 383 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: a certain extent, you're doing the Falcons a favor, you're 384 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: getting them out of cap jail. Yep. And even though 385 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: you're getting a great player, you're taking this contract that 386 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: they have to get rid of and you're getting a 387 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: great player, but an old great play. Well. The other 388 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: thing too, is there are a lot of things you 389 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: don't know, a lot of things you don't know. There 390 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: are a lot of things you don't know, and you know, 391 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: can he practice every day? How healthy is he now? 392 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean he may pass a physical and all, and 393 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: that may be great, But is his body thirty two 394 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: or is his body twenty nine? Or is his body 395 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: thirty nine? Yeah? Because you see that with certain players. 396 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: It's Derrick Henry. Ye, Derrick Henry is twenty seven for 397 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: a running back. I think it's amazing that his body 398 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: may only be twenty seven. Yep. Because for a lot 399 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: of running backs, their body's thirty five by the time 400 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: they've reached twenty seven. Running back bodies age in dog 401 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: years because get beat every single time. But I don't 402 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: think that's the case with Derek, Which is why I 403 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: think Derek he's the unicorn in that group because I 404 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: think he has that ability right which is exciting for 405 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: the Titans is that you don't have to hold your 406 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: breath as to when is it going to end? Yeah, 407 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: And with every running back it ends at some point. 408 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: We saw it end with Eddie George. This organization saw 409 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: it end with Earl Campbell traded him to New Orleans. 410 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: We saw it ending with Chris Johnson. I mean it happens. 411 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: It just happens. Yeah, But with Derek I don't see that. 412 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: But but we know him. The Titans know him because 413 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: he's in their building. And for NFL teams, the unknown 414 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: of all this is certainly a big deal. It seems 415 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: like there are more question marks than there are answers, 416 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: as there are with any new player in a time 417 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: when money and assets and all of these things are 418 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: so limited. Do you want all of those questions? Well, 419 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: do you feel good enough? Because here's the thing, if 420 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: you want to do it, you can. The funny thing 421 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: is one of the only teams that couldn't would be Atlanta. 422 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: They wouldn't really, yeah, they really wouldn't have a means 423 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: to make a trade for Julio Jones right now, which 424 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: is why they're in the mess they're in. But the 425 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: other teams that are mentioned, they can do it. It 426 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: can happen. Now, what are the other steps and what 427 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: are they knowing is coming? Because the people in the 428 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: front office have to be thinking several moves ahead for 429 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: down the line. Yep, what a time to be a lie. 430 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: But then you've got like Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers, 431 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: and the fifty fifty money right now is on him 432 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: retiring just just not playing. What that's where the money 433 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: is right now? Okay, go ahead, go ahead. No, I 434 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: don't pay. I don't pay attention to that. So I 435 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know pay attention to that. I 436 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: know you do. And so that's that's why we're both 437 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: on this show. Might really Yeah, people think he's just 438 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: gonna be like, you know what, forget it, just run 439 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: off with his girlfriend. He doesn't have a great history 440 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: of keeping girlfriend. Well that's a different chow. I mean, 441 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: that's a different point. I want to tell him what 442 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: to do in his life. But wow, that is interesting 443 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: that the feeling is that if they don't do something, 444 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: and you know, they're acting as if they're not gonna 445 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: make the trade, they're saying, we're holding on to him, 446 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: come hell or high water, And that the sense out 447 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: of his camp is that it is reasonable to assume 448 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: it's possible that he just doesn't play. Can I ask 449 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 1: a question about retirement rules? Is there an amount of 450 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: time that can pat If you say I am retired, 451 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: is there an amount of time that you have to 452 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: either stay retired or decide whether or not you're retired 453 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: to come back after a certain point you're done for 454 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, that does happen. I can't remember the 455 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: specifics of that at but yeah, that does happen. But 456 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: you're still under contract to the team, just like Gronkowski 457 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: was still under contract to the Patriots. Carson Palmer was 458 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: still under contract to Cincinnati when they traded him to 459 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: the Raiders at midyear. Yeah, I mean that's the way 460 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: that works. So interesting. I'm bad. I had kind of 461 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: gotten over Aaron Rodgers. I'm going to be honest. I 462 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: had kind of moved on in the big stories. I 463 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: moved onto the Julio Jones thing. I was kind of 464 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: okay the whole NFL world. I watched something earlier this week. 465 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: I watched them do fifteen minutes on Julio Jones on 466 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: ESPN and it was fascinating. Yeah, and it is fascinating, 467 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: and I get it, and everybody who's had a fantasy 468 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: team over the last you know, ten years, it's like, man, 469 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: you guys signed Julio Jones. Right, Well, I mean, everybody 470 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: wants Julio Jones on their team. Why would you not, right, 471 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: And it's like the future be damned, Let's do the 472 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: now because it's Julio Jones. I don't know that everybody, 473 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: even on TV understands all of the ramifications of now. 474 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: Because four billion dollars were cut out of the NFL's 475 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: earnings last year, and thus a great amount of money 476 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: has been cut out of the salary cap for this 477 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: year and next in terms of growth. I mean, had 478 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: this thing stayed on track, the salary cap next year 479 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: would probably be between two twenty and two twenty five. Now, 480 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: the max it's going to be next year after dropping 481 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: back this year, the max it's going to be next 482 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: year is two o eight. So they signed all these 483 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: contracts in twenty seventeen and twenty and eighteen with the 484 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: correct assumption that we never thought there'd be a pandemic. Well, 485 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: who who in a in a draft room set around 486 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: what you know, he don't want to sign Smith here 487 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: because he could hurt a knee and somebody in the 488 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: back of the room and there could be a pandemic, 489 00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: and everybody great point withers We appreciate that outstanding. You 490 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: have pointed out the amazing there could be a pandemic? Yeah, 491 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: in what universe did anyone in twenty nineteen even anticipate 492 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: that there could ever be something in this universe that 493 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: would happen that would have such a dramatic effect on 494 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: the National Football League. Right, Let's face it. In the 495 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: real scheme of this, this is not important. This is 496 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: us on the Official Titans podcast talking about how the 497 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: pandemic affects the NFL. I just think it goes to 498 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: the level of the profound impact that it had on 499 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: the real important parts of society. And yet it trickled 500 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: all the way down to this issue, which is number 501 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: one million, six hundred seventy nine, two hundred eighty three 502 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: on the list, right, But it is a real thing 503 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: for the source of our discussion, right, it had such 504 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: a colossal impact on the world that it is having 505 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: a colossal impact on the National Football Right, That's my point. 506 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: It's crazy, It is crazy, absolutely crazy, But here we are. 507 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 1: But here we are, And how creative are you willing 508 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: to get in situations like this? And so the Packers, 509 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: if they could let this play out for a long time, 510 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: because there's not a cap impact if he doesn't show up. Interesting, Yeah, 511 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: there is no cap impact if he doesn't show up. 512 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: They put him on the reserve did not report list, 513 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: and that's that. And he does not count until the 514 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: minute he shows up. So that's the difference in this 515 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: and Julio Jones. Interesting, the Falcons, if you believe everything 516 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: you read, the Falcons have no choice about Julio Jones 517 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: unless they go to him and they give him a 518 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: new contract and to a complete restructure and push it 519 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: off into the future, which seems unlikely at this moment. 520 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: It seems as though that's not what he would preface. 521 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: It seems like that train has left the station. Correct. Okay, Now, 522 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: if that's the case, then they don't have any choice. 523 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: The packers have a choice, and they have Jordan Love 524 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: who they drafted. That is true. So Aaron Rodgers cannot 525 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: make them trade him. No, he has no leverage. Well, 526 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: he has some leverage. I think the fact that he's 527 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the leverage because I think if he 528 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: keeps it stirred up as much as what he does 529 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: and decides to be out there and doing interviews with everybody, 530 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: that it will just get old. Yeah, And I don't 531 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: think our old friend Matt Lafleur wants to sit around 532 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: being ask about that all the time. Because the thing 533 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: we know about Matthew is he's smart, he's direct, he's 534 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: in charge, and he is not gonna want to waste 535 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: time talking about a player who doesn't want to play 536 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: for him. Not because he has any disrespect toward Aaron. 537 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: He would be that way toward the kicker, the defensive tackle, 538 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: the outside linebacker, wouldn't matter. He is a no nonsense guy. 539 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: He's got some for reference, some Mike vrabel enimation that 540 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure he is so unamused by all of that. Well, 541 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: we go back to Jim Schwartz, yep, and that's the 542 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: start of our conversation. He is a lot like Jim 543 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: Schwartz in that way. He is smart, he's no nonsense. 544 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, when when he was here, 545 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: I thought more than once about because we Schwartz was 546 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: here when he was young too, I thought more than 547 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: once about how he reminded me of Jim. I knew 548 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: Matt would be a head coach. He's got that about him. 549 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: I mean, he's twenty eight and eight in two years unbelievable. 550 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I am so impressed by what he has 551 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: been able to do in Green Bay. It's it's wild. 552 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: It is wild, but with Aaron Rodgers. But with Aaron 553 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: Rodgers who won the MVP through forty eight touchdown passes 554 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: in five interceptions. Yeah, and now who knows? I don't know. 555 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: That's why. Who does? But it's not you? I mean again, 556 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: in listening to the conversation about him not playing on 557 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: various outlets this week, I mean, he could take it 558 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: to the house. That would be so disappointing to me. 559 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: I would be disappointed in him. Why. I kind of 560 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: want him. I mean, it's his life. I mean, I 561 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: mean he's done enough, he's made No, I mean he 562 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: doesn't have to do. I want him to do the 563 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: one more super Bowl thing? Why? I just I like 564 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: that story. Oh I care about that. Yeah, I want 565 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: the Titans to do a Super Bowl store. I don't 566 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: care about Aaron Rodgers. That would be fun. Most Jeopardy, Mary, 567 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: what's your what's her name? It's a wonderful actress. She 568 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: is a wonderful actress. Good in that George Clooney movie, 569 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: the one about Hawaii was really good? All right, well, 570 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and she's lovely and I'm sure they 571 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: would have a phenomenal life together. It looks like it 572 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: when they go hiking or whatever. Are those pictures. I 573 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: look at their pictures. I think it's fantastic. Like, you're 574 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,239 Speaker 1: way more involved in this than it's interesting. I mean, 575 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: he's put he's putting out those pictures of him and 576 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: that other guy and his wife and they're out hiking. 577 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, he's trying to make the packers jealous. Okay, 578 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: everybody knows this. That's what he says. Them to be 579 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: pining after him. I don't think they are, No, they're not. 580 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: And that's more pictures. He keeps putting out the pictures 581 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: that the packers will miss him, And aren't you go see, 582 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: at this moment, I'm even more thankful for Ryan Tannehill. Yes, 583 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: I am so thankful for no drama quarterback. Funny thing. 584 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill shows back up on Monday, and they're a 585 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: bunch of veterans here. Funny how that happens. Good leadership. 586 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: Let's see a bunch of the bunch of the veterans 587 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: show up. I mean that's your that's your guy. Yes, 588 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean Aaron Rodgers a great player, great great player. 589 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not knocking it. He has also at a 590 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: different place in his career. But it's nice at this 591 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: point for what we have been through with our quarterback 592 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: carousel and that we didn't draft Aaron Rodgers when we 593 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: could have. In two thousand and five, we took Pacman Jones. Yep, 594 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: all right, well, and the pac Man thing didn't work out. 595 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: That was you think you think time? You really? Yeah, 596 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't. No, I didn't do it. No, 597 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: we had to cut out a whole part of the 598 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: caravan because we couldn't get up and tell children to 599 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: make good choices when we had a guy on our 600 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: team who wouldn't make any Yeah, that's a true story. 601 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: We ended up cutting out our school program for that 602 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: year on the caravan. So, yeah, that was bad. Could 603 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: have taken Aaron Rodgers. But now we have a quarterback yeah, 604 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: playing good ball. Yeah, good dude, players like him? Leader winning. 605 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: Do you want to be sitting in that position right 606 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: Do you want to be the Green Bay Packers right now? Yeah? 607 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: I mean I would have gone through I would go 608 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: through all the girlfriends and Olivia Munn and Danna Kopatrick. 609 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,720 Speaker 1: I would have gone through all that to have Aaron 610 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: Rodgers instead of Pacman Jones. Yes, I would have done that. 611 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: I would live through that moment. You're asking an honest question. 612 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: I'm giving you an honest answer. But because I went 613 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: through the other you're very thankful for the night. I'm 614 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: very thankful for the now, for the quiet, for the leadership, 615 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: for a guy who I think is a real good player, 616 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: who has found his system and found his plays. I 617 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: think at this moment it has worked out for the Titans. Yes, 618 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: I agree. Sometimes it's about the journey, Mike. I wasn't 619 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: here for that. We had the journey. I'm tuned back 620 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: into Aaron Rodgers. You've convinced me that I need to 621 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: focus more of my attention. I don't know what he's 622 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: going to do, I know, but I'm coming back around 623 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: to it. I need to dive into this. Apparently I 624 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: need to get on Instagram check it out. What you 625 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: need is don't get sacked by the high cost of healthcare. 626 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: Make Farm Bureau Health Plans your first line of protection. 627 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: They've been protecting Tennessee and since nineteen forty seven. By 628 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: the way, thank you to the folks at Farm Bureau 629 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: Health Plans for those sharp orcas we got this week. 630 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: That is a phenomenal addition to my home. And you 631 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: can carry it with like two fingers and you can 632 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 1: carry Okay, have you heard about my whale tail discovery 633 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: and so you do the Mike Vrabel mustache with it. Yeah. Well, 634 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: so we were standing in the parking lot they were 635 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: gifted to us, and it was so nice and I 636 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: was holding it and I was looking at and they're 637 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: telling me about how it was designed. So you can 638 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: hold it with two fingers and that's just the coolest thing. 639 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: But the way it shaped it looks like a disguise mustache. 640 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: And so I was like, or if you're in a 641 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: place where you don't need to be seen being there, 642 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: I don't know people's lives, you can hold it up 643 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: and it's like a little disguise. That's big time. M 644 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: So thank you Farm Bureau for sending those to us. 645 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Also want to say best wishes 646 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: to our colleague Mike Duel, doctor Duel leaving the Tennessee 647 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: Titans and our video department friend of all of ours 648 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: headed to the Great State of Indiana to take a 649 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: good job. Not with the Colt, not with not with 650 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: the Colt. He is adamantly opposed to any and all 651 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: insinuations that he will be a Colts fan once he 652 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: gets Indiana. He has sworn to me it will not happen. 653 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: He will not. He's a great human. He will not 654 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: turn on us. He is a great human. He is 655 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: a Titan for life. Yes, doctor Dooel, thank you so 656 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 1: much for that. That's going to wrap up this edition 657 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: of the OTP, presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. Any 658 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: other comments that you'd like to make at this point, No, 659 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: not really felt this felt like a thorough episode of 660 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: the Official Titans Podcast. I feel good about what we 661 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: have covered, and I'm getting back on this Aaron Rodgers stuff. 662 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do some slue thing. I'll have an answer 663 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: for you by Monday. Mike for Amy Wells, I'm Mike Keith. 664 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us for the o TC. Never got 665 00:37:52,640 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: a know house. I saw we got tight and butter 666 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: running through our face.