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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this week on the show, I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by the one and only Bill Winky to dive into

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Speaker 1: how his approach to hunting the white tail rut has

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Speaker 1: evolved in recent years. All right, welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light. Today,

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Speaker 1: We've got a good one, ladies and gentlemen. We're talking

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Speaker 1: the white tail rut and I'm joined by Bill Winky.

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Speaker 1: Most of you, I would assume know who Bill Winky is.

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Speaker 1: He was the founder and the host of Midwest white Tail,

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Speaker 1: a little show that has been on the air for

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Speaker 1: many a year now wildly successful. Um. Bill has made

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Speaker 1: a living hunting, talking about, writing about filming big white

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Speaker 1: tailed deer and teaching folks how to hunt them. And

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Speaker 1: he's recently now kind of taking a step away from it.

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Speaker 1: He's gotten away from the media side of things, and

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Speaker 1: he's hunting new country in new ways, and all of

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Speaker 1: that I think has led him, um kind of having

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Speaker 1: a refreshed, new perspective on some certain things. And so

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to do was dive in with Bill

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Speaker 1: on a his general approach to the White Tail Rut.

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Speaker 1: Everything from how he believes the rut evolves over the

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Speaker 1: course of the year, to his favorite stand sites, to

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Speaker 1: now in late October, all that kind of stuff. We

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Speaker 1: we break down a lot of the essentials that you

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Speaker 1: need to know to hunt this upcoming time of the year.

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Speaker 1: But I also wanted to dive into how things have

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Speaker 1: changed for him, how he views things differently maybe now

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Speaker 1: than he used to, what he does differently now than

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Speaker 1: that I think might surprise you, and I think will

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Speaker 1: represent a new view on hunting the ruck compared to

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Speaker 1: maybe some things you've heard from Bill in the past.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited for you to get to hear that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm also excited just in general for what we've

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Speaker 1: got ahead of us, because this is it, guys. This

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Speaker 1: is what we've dreamed of for eleven months or however

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Speaker 1: long it's been since the last time you saw running action.

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Speaker 1: It's here. When this podcast comes out will be October

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Speaker 1: twenty eight, which for most parts of the country is

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Speaker 1: the kickoff. I mean, it's it's happening. I'm hoping you're

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Speaker 1: spending a lot of time in the tree right now

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Speaker 1: in the weeks to come. Um, I've had a crazy

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Speaker 1: got to update all of you on what's actually happening

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Speaker 1: in my personal hunting life. Let me give you a

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Speaker 1: gonna be sort of a reckless abandon that takes place

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00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: at that time. And then after the first dough or two,

432
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, then they sort of settle into the business

433
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,959
Speaker 1: of the run and then it becomes a lot tougher.

434
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: You don't get nearly as much daylight movement as you

435
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: as you really sink into the middle of the rut.

436
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: Nobody thinks that the middle of the run is when

437
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: the action is at that. I really feel like the

438
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: action is that the front is. You know, before those

439
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: bucks get a whole out of breeding under their belt,

440
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: they're a little bit you know, a little bit perkier,

441
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more active. They're covering ground they might

442
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: be they'd be uh sibly you're trying to find that

443
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: next dough. Uh So, I feel like right now you

444
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: want to hunt as close to the areas where you've

445
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: been getting pictures of a buck. You're coming into this

446
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: time frame as you can, you know, without because he's

447
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: not going to be traveling a lot. Like I said,

448
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of best case scenario. The ruggets got him

449
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: fired up, but he's he's not really uh leaving his core.

450
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna find him where you expect to find him.

451
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: Uh So, I like this time. You know, I feel

452
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: like I killed a nice buck last year and the

453
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: of October, and the year before that, two thousand nineteen,

454
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: I killed a really nice one on October. You know,

455
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: I was a little bit earlier in my start that year.

456
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: Uh you know, like I said, I gotta a definite

457
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: favoritism toward this last week of October. Then the first

458
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 1: maybe ten to twelve days of November, you're hunting the

459
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: dose because they're still using their their more traditional areas.

460
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: You know, they're feeding still for the most part, in

461
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: the places where they've been feeding all fall, and they're

462
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: betting in the places where they've been betting all fall,

463
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: and then you hit a certain point in the run

464
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: where everything kind of falls apart, and that's sometime after

465
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: the twelve I call it the lull of the run.

466
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: You know. It's just a time when it seems like

467
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: most of the doughes that most of the dose, but

468
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: the highest number of dose are an estris, you know,

469
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: so the box have really settled into into the business

470
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: of breeding. It's not this fever paste like you've got

471
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: early in the run. They're just taking care of business,

472
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: and they do most of that at night. They're not

473
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: active really pursuing doughs during the day. They're not covering

474
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: a lot of ground. They don't have to because so

475
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: many of them are an esters um and the doughs

476
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: themselves have been badgered enough that they're not really used

477
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: in their normal areas anymore. So it gets a lot

478
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: tougher I feel like during that part of the run,

479
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'll take a few days off there just

480
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: get away from that, you know. But that's uh, that's

481
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: the hardest part. I feel like to to hunt. All

482
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: you're doing I think they're in that part of the

483
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: run is just being out there and hoping that the

484
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: hot dough comes by. Because if you get a hot

485
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: dough to come through, so usually have a buck or

486
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: two behind her. It's not like like the early in

487
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: the run when there might be five or six bucks

488
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: chasing after her, but you should have something trailing behind

489
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: her and uh, you know, trying to catch up. So

490
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: you're typically hunting a little bit further away from the

491
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: open areas back in the in the heavier cover those doors,

492
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: are trying to get away from being badgered by every

493
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: single buck out there. Uh. That that time frame, I

494
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: feel like takes takes this up until about roughly of November.

495
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: And in a lot of states, your your past the

496
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: bow season, you know, so you're not really hunting natural

497
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: movement patterns anymore. You're hunting, you know, more of the

498
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: forced movement that comes with the firearms season. But in

499
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: the states that I've been hunting, mostly like Iowa, Kansas,

500
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: you're still during the bow season, which is my preference.

501
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: Of course, I'd like to be able to hunt the

502
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: rut the hole. The November was my bow. So if

503
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: you're in one of those places that you'll see after

504
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: about the November as you'll see the does and going

505
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: back to food, but you'll see that little burst of

506
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: extra movement said by the older aged last bucks trying

507
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: to pick off that last you know, hot dough. That's's

508
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: on the kail end of the of the bell curve.

509
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: So if you think of you know, the number of

510
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: those in Estrius as the in the bell shape, you know,

511
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: early in the rut there's not very many. Then in

512
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: the middle of the rout, which is roughly about November

513
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: fift in most parts of the country, that's when the

514
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: highest number are in Estris, and then the bell starts

515
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: sweeping back downward. Then you get to, you know, with

516
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: the lower end of that, and that's somewhere around of

517
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: November where the you come to the end of the bell.

518
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: So when you have less, does you know the bucks

519
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: haven't quite completely lost interest in the run yet at

520
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: least the older one seven and you'll still see them,

521
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: just maybe a second wave of of natural movements during

522
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: that last part of the rut, and that's mostly around food.

523
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: You can still do well in the mornings, you're getting

524
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: around bedding areas, you know, but it seems like the

525
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: bulk of the action is in the last part of

526
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: November is back around food again in the in the evenings,

527
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: um so hopefully I didn't throw too much at you.

528
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: But that's I've just seen that. I guess I've hunted

529
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: every day of the run for thirty some years, um,

530
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: like the whole month of November, the last week of October,

531
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: for that five weeks, for thirty years, uh, in some

532
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: pretty good areas. And that's just what I've seen, you know,

533
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: the accumulation of all those experiences. And you'd have a

534
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: hard time convincing me that that that's not the way

535
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 1: it goes down. That's that's super helpful. I want to

536
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: rewind now, So if we ended there at the end

537
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: of November, let's rewind back to the end of October,

538
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: which is where we are right now. You mentioned that

539
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: last year you killed one on the twenty nine, and

540
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: the year before you killed it on there. Tonight you're

541
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: heading in You're probably gonna kill one tonight. So and

542
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: when this, when this podcast drops, will be the so

543
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: people listening on the day it comes out, you know,

544
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: we're right at the tail end of October. So I

545
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: think it's worth expanding a little bit on this just

546
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: because people will be, you know, ready to put this

547
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: into action right away. Can you just dive in a

548
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: little bit more specifically those last days of October. Maybe

549
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: there's an anecdote from last year's hunt or the year

550
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: before that would illustrate it. Maybe not, but just a

551
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: few more of those next level things to be thinking about.

552
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned that these bucks are still you know,

553
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: pattern or bull, They're still in their home range, but

554
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: they're feeling a little more frisky. Uh. What are those

555
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: next level things that you've been able to do to

556
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: to actually take advantage of those behavioral things that can

557
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: help you this time year, but some people aren't able to.

558
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: I think, you know, there's there's not a a big

559
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: difference in the way that you hunt the last week

560
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: of October versus the first week of November. You might

561
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: just be a little bit more aggressive once you get

562
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: into November. But I still go up on the on

563
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: the ridges and the mornings, and you know, hunt near

564
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: the betting areas. I might not, like I said, dive

565
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: quite as deep is what I would a week later,

566
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: because I always feel like, you know, push comes to

567
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: shove on an average year, normal conditions, normal weather, Nomember

568
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: seventh is pretty hard to beat. So I'm always trying to,

569
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, sort of build up to that that time frame.

570
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: So I want to make sure that I don't hunt

571
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: all of my best spots too hard, too soon, because

572
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I've got some places to

573
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: fall back on, you know, during that time when I think,

574
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the bucks are going to

575
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: be on their feet, you know that that last hard

576
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: push before the majority of the does or a high

577
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: percentage of the does are in the asterisk. Uh. So

578
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm still in late October. I'm hunting around the food

579
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: in the evenings. I think you can't go wrong there,

580
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: and I'm hunting closer to the betting areas. And you

581
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: don't have to know exactly where the buck is betting. Uh.

582
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it would beneficial. But right now

583
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: he's covering from the ground. I mean, he's not getting back,

584
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: and he may not even go back to his betting area.

585
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: He may have five different betting areas, you know. I mean,

586
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: they're not that predictable. So it's not as if you

587
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: know you're programming at a computer, you're gonna come up

588
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: with the same answer every time. Uh. They do a

589
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that's still a little bit unpredictable. Even

590
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: once you know where they live. So just be back

591
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: in there in places that makes sense from a hunt

592
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: ability standpoint, in places where you're not gonna bump anything

593
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: on the way in and out. You know, the wind

594
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: is completely in your favor while you're on stand don't

595
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: take any real risks the last week of October and

596
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: just rely on the fact that they're feeling their oats

597
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: a little bit and they're gonna they're gonna be moving more.

598
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: You don't have to go to dam as much as

599
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: you have to be in their core someplace that you

600
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: know that's favorable to you. Uh. But you would hunt

601
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: the buck's core born. You know, as you get into November,

602
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: you might spread out a little bit more and hunt,

603
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, do concentration areas. But if you know where

604
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: there's a buck living, you'll hunt around that spot. Uh.

605
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: And I guess that's the main thing I would say

606
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: for October is you know he's still around there someplace

607
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: he hasn't He hasn't you're kind of giving up his

608
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: his early fall patterns yet, Yeah, it would it. Well,

609
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: let me throw you my strange situation. And I'm just curious.

610
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I think I know what you'll say, but I'm curious

611
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: if you've got any different thoughts than what I have.

612
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: I have a set of trips coming up that are

613
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: gonna send me out of state for almost the entire

614
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: month of November. So that leaves me just this week,

615
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: so the last week of October, to try to kill

616
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: one of my target bucks on my local spots. Um,

617
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: So if you only had this last week of October,

618
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: is the entirety of your rut related hunts in your

619
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: Let's say this, you know a spot that you're a hunt,

620
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of the spot that you would you would

621
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: like to hunt a bunch of typically, Uh, would you

622
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: do anything different than what you just described other than

623
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: just being more aggressive? Yeah, be more aggressive. I would

624
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: get to where you think he's living quicker. Um, you know,

625
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ease in like this evening. I'm gonna be

626
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: on the bridge tomorrow morning. I'll probably what I'll probably

627
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: do this evening is I'll go into one of my

628
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: redneck blinds. I moved some trailer blinds around a few

629
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: days ago. I'll probably go into one of them this

630
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: evening and then just take my sleeping bag and sleep

631
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: in there tonight tomorrow. That way, I don't have to

632
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: bump any deer leaving. Um, I don't have anybody to

633
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: drive in and run the deer off from the spot

634
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: run rather to be hunting. So I don't want to

635
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: walk out of there, you know, even climb down and

636
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: get onto a four wheeler and spook those deer back

637
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: in that area. Um. But he could come out there.

638
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's basically on the edge of a

639
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: cornfield right below the ridge where I think this deer

640
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: mostly live. Um, So he could be there tonight, and

641
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: I certainly don't want to run the risk of of

642
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: educating any deer on the way out. So I'll sleep

643
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: in the blind tonight, hunt it tomorrow morning, even though

644
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: it's not an ideal morning spot. And then uh, I

645
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: may do the same thing for a couple more days

646
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: in other parts of that same cornfield below that ridge,

647
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: just kind of bounce around a little bit on the fringe,

648
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: not really getting in there. But then, you know, towards

649
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: the end of this week, I'm gonna be up on

650
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: that ridge where I think he's living, and uh, I

651
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: may go. I may go in there for an you know,

652
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: an afternoon hunt set to stand up. But I've got

653
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: a little system I brought with me. I don't know

654
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: if it's gonna work or not yet. I haven't haven't

655
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: quite decided, but I've got a warm sleeping bag and

656
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: a little bitty stack. It's basically, you know, a super

657
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: lightweight bag that goes over the top of my sleeping bag.

658
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna carry that in for the afternoon hunt

659
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: and then, uh, you know, at the end of legal shooting,

660
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: tip just climbed down to the ground and sleep at

661
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: the base of the tree and once again. Yeah, so

662
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean we'll see. Like I said, in theory, it

663
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: all sounds good. But if it's twenty five degrees and

664
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm you know, thrilled up at the base of the tree,

665
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: that might not be very much fun. But the idea,

666
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: of course, has not spooked this deer coming and go.

667
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna be aggressive, you have to be

668
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: cautiously aggressive, if that if that makes sense, and that

669
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: means that you can't take risks with your entry and exit,

670
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: but you can go in there where that deer lives

671
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: if he doesn't know you're coming and going. Uh So

672
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: that's what I would say, is, you know, just be

673
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: aggressive and go to where you think he's living as

674
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: long as you can get away with it. But if

675
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: you don't think you could get away with it, then

676
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. It's not worth a foolish risk,

677
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: uh at any point of the season. But you know,

678
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: uh kind of a well considered you know, I'm playing

679
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: the risk reward game here and it seems to follow

680
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: my way. Uh. I'd say you'd be aggressive then because

681
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: you don't have you don't have to save it for

682
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, November seven, you can you can play all

683
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: your cards right away. Yep, no downside other than using

684
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: up those six seven days I have and then wait

685
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: till next year. So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's too bad

686
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: that you can't say. Well, I mean, I'm sure you've

687
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: got some fun hunt Una. It's too bad you can't

688
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: put it all together on on your local spot there

689
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: for longer. Yeah, it's gonna be a different kind of year.

690
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm used to getting some quality time chasing

691
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: some of these these dare I know well, so hopefully

692
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: can pull it off early, but if not, it will

693
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: make for a good, longer story that continues into next

694
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: year and learn some stuff. Um, you mentioned that you're

695
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: gonna sleep in your blind, your red neck blind maybe tonight,

696
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: and you mentioned sleeping at the base of a tree

697
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: once you get later into the week. I mean that's

698
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: some hardcore. You know, you're really dedicated to these access

699
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: and exit kind of situations and making sure you're not

700
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: spooking these deer. I was gonna ask if you get

701
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: more lax with your access during the rut. It sounds

702
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: like that's not the case. Can you can you speak

703
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: to just in general, how you feel about entry and

704
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: exit during the rut and how you think about differently.

705
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: Are there things you do different this time of year?

706
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: Do you allow yourself to cut some corners or be

707
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: a little bit riskier with it because you know it's

708
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: the rut and you have to try things. What's what's

709
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: your take on all that? I think you can you

710
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: can be more aggressive if you're hunting peer travel rouse,

711
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, if you're hunting endpoints, you know where the

712
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: deer kind of pool up, like I say, a betting areas,

713
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: an endpoint, in a feeding area, in an endpoint, but

714
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: there are spots in between, like maybe there's a ditch funnel,

715
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, where the deer go up around a ditch

716
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: when they're walking. You know, just cruising back and forth

717
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: between betting areas, or they're going from a betting area

718
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: to a feeding area or whatever, those kind of spots,

719
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: because the deer aren't necessarily going to be there when

720
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: you're going in and out. Uh. In theory, at least,

721
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: you know you're going in before they traveled through, and

722
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: you're going out after they've traveled through on the on

723
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: an afternoon hunt and vice verst on the morning. Um,

724
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: you know you can come and go a little bit

725
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: more freely, but when you're hunting near those endpoints, and

726
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: again I'm talking feeding areas and betting areas, uh, you

727
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: have to be super careful because if you educate the

728
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: deer in those places, then the whole the whole system

729
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: breaks down, um, because then they're more cautious and they're

730
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: not moving naturally anymore, and you're not gonna have nearly

731
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: as much daylight activity in those areas. So that's kind

732
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 1: of my sense. I don't I don't get riskier during

733
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: the run. Uh, I don't take more chances. I hunt

734
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: super cautious through the whole season. Um. I'm just being

735
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: a little bit more hardcore now because I don't have

736
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: a cameraman there's nobody that's gonna these laying there saying,

737
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, how come we're out here again? You know,

738
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: what was you? What were you? What were you thinking

739
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: when you said we were going to sleep at the

740
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: face of this tree? Remind me of that again, you know,

741
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: So you can be a little bit more hardcore when

742
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: it's just you. But I don't think i'd subject to

743
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: cameraman to two you know what I'm gonna go through. Uh.

744
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: The other thing is we never really did this kind

745
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: of stuff because we had to produce those daily up

746
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: as notes all the time. But there was really no

747
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: way to do that. Can't hunt like this, Yeah, but

748
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: we also had we also had people around that could

749
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: come and you know, blow the field, and you know,

750
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: there were ways, there were ways to get out of

751
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: a feeding area the evening. It's harder to get out

752
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: of a betting area, you know, in the that it

753
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: is to get out of a feeding area, because you know,

754
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: you can't just drive in there with a four wheeler

755
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: and mount the deer off like you get a feeding area. Yeah.

756
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: This this is just a quick aside. But people watching

757
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: from the outside, I'm sure watched you hunting your home

758
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: farm for years and years and producing Midwest white tail

759
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: and killing all these big deer and all that kind

760
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: of stuff. Um, And now they might look at you

761
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: and say, oh, he's just hunting a farm. He can't

762
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: do anything special to it. He doesn't even own it.

763
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: He has to get in here hard and sleep on

764
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: the ground, and he doesn't have a show. And there

765
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: aren't people do menting everything, and they might think that, oh, man,

766
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Bill must be missing what he used to have. But

767
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm curious listening to you. I'm wondering. I'm thinking, maybe

768
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: is this unbelievably liberating? Is this incredible if we get

769
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: to go back to this, or or what is your

770
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: thought on this new phase of your hunting life you

771
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: find yourself in. And I haven't been too secretive about

772
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: you know what I did. I like helping people get

773
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: better at deer hunting. I liked producing Midwest white til.

774
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: It was a good business. You know. I got to

775
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: do it on my own terms, on my own land.

776
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: I didn't have to travel. I could watch my kids

777
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: grow up, you know, I could. I could be around

778
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: so I got the best of really a lot of

779
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: world there. Now. You know, if I don't feel like

780
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: going hunting. Sometimes I just won't do I'll go see

781
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: mom and dad, or I'll go watch the high school

782
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: football game or whatever, you know, and and uh or

783
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: maybe I'll go sit on a piece of public land

784
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: just because it's a beautiful view of the Mississippi River

785
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: or something like that, you know where. You know, back

786
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: in the day, everything had there was an agenda attached

787
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: to every hunt. You know, we had to get viewership.

788
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: We had to maintain you know, our storylines. We had

789
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, react to the audience. We had

790
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: to you know, produce something. We had to create value,

791
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: and uh aren't have to create any value just go

792
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: deer hunting. So from that standpoint, it's it's a lot

793
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: more liberating. I mean, I I missed uh opponent land.

794
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of headaches to go with

795
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: that too, as you know, um, you know, it's not

796
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: it's not just this perfect world where you wake up

797
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, this is awesome. I've got a farm,

798
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: you know, there's Cole's getting out, and there's all kinds

799
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: of stuff. You gotta deal with it, you know, if

800
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: you're just leasing it or hunting on provision, or hunting

801
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: public land or something like that. You don't have all

802
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: those issues. Uh, but what you do have when you

803
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: own it is the ability to set it up so

804
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: that it's very productive. Uh. And uh I do. I

805
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: do miss that, and I do miss uh spitting a

806
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: tree and looking around and saying, well, you know, if

807
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: I cut down, you know, these twelve trees over here

808
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: in this corner, I have another, you know, brushy spot

809
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: for the deer to bed in or whatever. You you're

810
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: always thinking when you're hunting about your management projects. Um,

811
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: but I don't do that now because I'm not on

812
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: land that I have any control. Yeah. Overall, I'd say

813
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: it's way more relaxing, uh, now that it's been for

814
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: quite a while. Yeah, yeah, imagine that's great. So back

815
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: to back to how to kill deer. Now that we

816
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: know how to kill deer and have a little more fun, Um,

817
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: back to the house of the hunting part. You know,

818
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: you have been writing about hunting the rut and talking

819
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: about hunting the rut uh longer than almost anyone these days.

820
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been doing it for a lifetime,

821
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: and I have been out nearly as long as I have.

822
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: I been doing as you have. So what I'm curious

823
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: about is this there's these two major pillars of rut

824
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: hunting strategy. I guess you could say, right, it's the

825
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: It's kind of like scripture. It's recited over and over

826
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: every year. Every single article about the RUT is going

827
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: to include this. Every you know, it's it's the basics

828
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: that everybody knows. It's hunt the does, and it's hunt

829
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: pinch points or funnels, right, I mean, those two things

830
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: are kind of tried and true concrete. This is the

831
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: the two foundational principles of hunting the RUT. I'm curious

832
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: what are we missing or what has been oversimplified, or

833
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: what are we getting wrong? If you were to review

834
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: conventional wisdom and all the things you've said over the

835
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: years and other people have said in in this line

836
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: of business, now that you've seen it all, you've read

837
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: it all, you've wrote it all, is there anything that

838
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: we're missing on those two fronts? What would you add?

839
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: I think that every situation it is different, and we

840
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: try to stereotype because we want to help people. We

841
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: have to generalize certain things. You know, we have to say,

842
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, this is the trend or this is how

843
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, kind of things usually go, but every situation

844
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: is a little bit different. And you know, the art

845
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: of hunting, I think is playing that risk versus reward

846
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: game where risk is how much impact that you're making,

847
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: what your chances are of educating the deer that you're hunting,

848
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: and then the reward is, you know, what of them,

849
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: the likelihood of one of the bucks I would like

850
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: to shoot walking through during daylight? You know. So I

851
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: think that's the that's the part that you know, maybe,

852
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: like I said, every situation is unique. Uh. You know,

853
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: if you're hunting public plan, it's a way different way,

854
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: different setups. If you're hunting on permission and there's two

855
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: or three other guys there, or you're hunting you know,

856
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: acres versus hundred acres, that that formula changes, you know,

857
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: every single place that you go. And there's a perfect

858
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: way to hunt. It may not be perfect from the

859
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: standpoint of this you're gonna kill, but there is a

860
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: best way to hunt, uh, in each one of those situations. So,

861
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, I think maybe we overlook the heart of

862
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: deer hunting a little bit and and uh, but no,

863
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: you can't go wrong hunting, does I mean, that's that's

864
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: the underlying principle of I think you know the pitch points. Uh,

865
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: you know that's that can work really well too, But

866
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: you know it's still in the in the context of

867
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: hunting goes and hunting around does Uh. You know, there's

868
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: there's there's The run isn't very complicated. Um, you know,

869
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot that you have to do

870
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: really well, but you know you can't let them even

871
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: know that you're hunting them, and you gotta hunt ideally,

872
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, close to doms. So I don't know. I

873
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: think sometimes we're trying to make it more complicated because

874
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: we have to sell articles and we have to try

875
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: to try to get people so interested in in some

876
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: new philosophy. You know, there's been a whole lot of

877
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: discussion of buck betting areas all this stuff, and I'm like, well, maybe,

878
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I don't know. I mean, I've

879
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: hunted a long time and I've never really felt like

880
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: I had to know where they bet. You know, I

881
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: need to know which part of the property that I'm

882
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: hunting they live in. But you know, I feel like

883
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: they've got options, so they might have two or three

884
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: different places where they bet. I just need to know,

885
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, how I can hunt their general area without

886
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: them knowing that I'm there. That's the heart. Is there

887
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: anything when it comes to that art that you have

888
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: had to change in recent years? Is there any way

889
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: that you're thinking or or approach to that side of

890
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: things has evolved recently because you've had a lot of

891
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: time to fine tune this. I gotta believe, even though

892
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: you've been killing deer for decades now successfully, that you

893
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: must be better now than you were obviously. Yeah, youliminate,

894
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: you eliminate all risks, you know. I mean, let's say

895
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: you've got fifty tree stands down. Let's just say for

896
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: the sake of argument, and there's only six of them

897
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: that are no brainers. That's set up really well, those

898
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: are the only six I hunt down. I've got forty

899
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: four tree stands sitting there that I don't hunt anymore.

900
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: That's what's changed. Uh. I don't take any risk with

901
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: educating deer. And again that kind of goes back to

902
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: the places that I hunt. If I was hunting more

903
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: places where there was competition with other hunters, I would

904
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: probably have to be more aggressive. But you know you've

905
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,479
Speaker 1: got the spot, know you've got one. Maybe you've got

906
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: five of them. Like, man, I just love hunt there,

907
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: but I know that when I go in there, I'm

908
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: gonna bust solfing coming out. But I just can't help myself.

909
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in there anyway. Don't hunt that spot,

910
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, find it, find a different way, a different

911
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: creative way to hunt it. Put a blind in there

912
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: and sleep in the blind. Do do something else, but

913
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: don't both close deer. You know, you think that it

914
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: doesn't create that much damage, but it does. M That's

915
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: that's the reason that we aren't consistently successful is because

916
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: the deer know that we're hunting them. It's not because

917
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: they're smart. Uh, they really aren't smart. They're just really

918
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: good at knowing when you're there and when you've been there.

919
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: And then they're nocturnal, and with the bow hunting natural movement,

920
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, a nocturnal buck is your enemy, you know.

921
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: So it's that's what I think it really Maybe that's

922
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: what's happened to be over the past ten years, that

923
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't have thought about earlier, because I would

924
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: have hunted all fifty of those spots and just taken

925
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: my lumps. Now, the amount of sanctuary in the properties

926
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: that I hunt is fast. You know, Let's say I'm

927
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: hunting a five acre area you know I might be

928
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: I'd never go into just because there's no easy way

929
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: to hunt it without bumping something. So what do you

930
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: it's more of the more extreme, more extreme. I'm curious

931
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: what do you do when one of your bulletproof sets

932
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: ends up not being bulletproof? Though? So you've got to

933
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: one of these places that you've got figured out, and

934
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: then maybe your target buck surprises you and goes down

935
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: wind and wins you, or a family group of dose

936
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: does something like that and blows for half an hour

937
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: at last light. Uh, what do you do when they

938
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: figure you out? And and now you have to react

939
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: to that? Well, it was probably never bulletproof to begin with. Then, Um,

940
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: there's there's not very many really really perfect stand locations. Um,

941
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: you might find a dozen of them in your lifetime,

942
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: maybe more. If you own land, you can create them.

943
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: You know, I know how to create some of those

944
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: kind of spots. Basically, you have to have a safe wind.

945
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: You have to have a direction where the wind can blow,

946
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: where you know that they aren't gonna get down wind view. Uh,

947
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: that's what makes the bulletproof. And then you use that

948
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: for your entry and exit because for whatever reason, maybe

949
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: it's a lake, maybe it's a river, whatever it is,

950
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: there's something that prevents them from getting down wind. Well,

951
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: that's your entry at eggit ground whatever that you know,

952
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: whatever that thing is, that trade feature, that's that's how

953
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: you're getting get it out. That's how you get a

954
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: bullet throop. Stand Um. The other thing I've done a

955
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: lot more up your recently. You know, I get criticized

956
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: for hunting these red neck blinds all the time because

957
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: people would rather see me in a tree. Well now

958
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: they can't see me doing anything, so nobody criticizes me anymore.

959
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: But if you if you close up the doors and

960
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: windows on those things, uh, the deer don't smell you.

961
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: And and uh, you gotta have some of the more

962
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: recent blind Some of the stuff that they made, you know,

963
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: six or eight years ago didn't have as many hinges,

964
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: you know, and and the gaskets weren't quite as good,

965
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: and they weren't air tight. The current batch of blinds

966
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: are almost air tighting. I mean, towards the end of

967
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: filming for Midwest might tell that was what we were

968
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: doing and we were never getting busted. We'd have two

969
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: people in those things, and I was sitting there until

970
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: the very last second with the windows closed and then

971
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: just speak, open the window real quick and then take

972
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: my shot out and that would be uh, that's his

973
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: cloth as the bulletproof that you can get in in, uh,

974
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: especially getting around small feeding areas. You know, it's hard

975
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: to hunt a ridge top, you know, with a bunch

976
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: of cover out of the blind. But if you're in

977
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: a feeding area or a small opening, natural opening or whatever,

978
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: the spot where the wind is really tough to play,

979
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: just stay in the blind with the windows closed and

980
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: open it right at the last second to get your

981
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: shot and you're not gonna spook any deer. But that's

982
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: that's the other extreme, is uh, you know, finding ways

983
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: to completely eliminate the chance of getting winded. So speaking

984
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: of these, you know, potentially bulletproof sets, it brings to

985
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: mind for me, Um at least when you're when you're

986
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: talking through this, I'm starting to envision different places like

987
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: that that I've seen, or I'm starting to kind of

988
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: draw up ideal scenarios in my head, which makes me

989
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: want to hear from you could you could you maybe

990
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: either think up imagine a couple of these ideal sets,

991
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: or could you describe a handful of these that you

992
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: have yourself hunted in detail? Like I'm talking a perfect

993
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: rut hunting stands. I'd love to hear what the terrain

994
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: and habitat features around it that make it so good.

995
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about how you have the access

996
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: planned and makes it so good. I'd love to hear

997
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: about what the wind situation that makes a bulletproof, um,

998
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: how high in the tree, what kind of true whatever

999
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: it is like that. I'd really be interested if you

1000
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: can think of two or three examples like this, I

1001
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: think would really help people to visualize and put something

1002
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: like this into action themselves. Do you have anything that

1003
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: comes to mind? Yeah, oh yeah, a bunch of of them.

1004
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: So the I can give you a terrain related one.

1005
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: I used to hunt a spot when I was a kid.

1006
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: I haven't hunted their sins, but it was on the

1007
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: up edge of a rock barry and some of this

1008
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: bluff country. You know, there's limestone in the in the bedrock,

1009
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: and they'll eat away at it from the bottom, you know,

1010
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: and create these these you know, big I don't know

1011
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: what you called. You know, craters in the side of

1012
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: the ridge where they taken out the stone and grounded

1013
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: up they travel out of it. Well, that's a sharp

1014
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: drop off, that's like a cliff that that creates a

1015
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: funnel for one thing. You know now that here that

1016
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: are traveling that side of the slope, they have to

1017
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: go up around that quarry because they can't they can't

1018
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: go through the quarry because of just the sheer drop off,

1019
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: so they go up around it. Well, that creates a

1020
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: funnel at the top of the wary edge. And then

1021
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: if you hunt it with the wind coming to safe

1022
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: from the the ridge towards the quarry, so it's blowing

1023
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: across the top of the ridge, taking your stand out

1024
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: over their quarry, and you've got your tree stands that

1025
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: maybe twenty yards or fifteen yards and wary edge. Uh,

1026
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: there's no way you're ever going to get sented. So

1027
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: now the trick is how do you get in and

1028
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: out of there? You know with how think any deer? Well,

1029
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: they're not going that side hill because the quarry is there.

1030
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: So you park at the quarry and then you walk

1031
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: up along the edge. You know, like the cliff edge,

1032
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, from the bottom of the valley up you

1033
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: work your way up around the cliff edge and get

1034
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: in your tree. Well, they're never gonna smell where you walked. Um,

1035
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: that's a no brainer. I did a spot like back

1036
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: quite a bit when I was a kid. Um I'd

1037
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: just spotted in Kansas. There was another no brainer. There

1038
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: was all of the cover was on the on one

1039
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: side of this creek, and the creek was fairly deep.

1040
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: You had to have waiters in order to cross this creek.

1041
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: And on the one side of the creek where I

1042
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: park was all winter wheat. On the other side of

1043
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: the creek was this like maybe area of habitat. It

1044
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: was just the spot that didn't get farmed. It was

1045
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: too rough for something. I can't remember why. But I

1046
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: would just park, you know, back on the opposite side,

1047
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: on the away from the you know, back side of

1048
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: the winter weed, away from the creek. Walk across the

1049
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: winter week field. Usually I try to follow a tree

1050
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: line or something, a fence line, something where I'm not

1051
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: just walking right across the middle of the field, get

1052
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: into the creek, walk the creek up to the base

1053
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: of your tree, stands, climb up the creek bank and

1054
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: get into your tree. So you hunt that with the

1055
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: wind blowing from the habitat on the other side of

1056
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,439
Speaker 1: the creek across the creek out into the winter wheat.

1057
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,919
Speaker 1: And granted you could get the odds deer that would

1058
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: come into that winter wheat on the other side of

1059
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: the creek, but there's no habitat on that side, and

1060
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: it's really hard to cross that creek. You know, it's

1061
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: about waist deeper. So and the deer don't really mess

1062
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: with it because I've got plenty of food on the

1063
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: side that you know has the habitat. Uh. That was

1064
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: a no brainer. Uh. Anything that has to do with

1065
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: rivers or lakes, you can always find a spot where

1066
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: the deer can't get down window you. And you know,

1067
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: whether you need a little boat or sometimes you can

1068
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: get by with waiters, but you access it from that direction,

1069
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be are there because the train features

1070
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: they prevent the deer from from going there to begin with.

1071
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: Another one that you run into quite a bit is

1072
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: in pasture country. You'll get areas where the cattle have

1073
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: access to a field and and they've they've eaten it

1074
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: right down to the ground basically, but on the edge

1075
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: of that there's a wood lot and the cows are

1076
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: fenced out of the wood lot, or maybe it's on

1077
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: the neighboring property. Whatever. Well, the deer don't really go

1078
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,479
Speaker 1: across that old pasture. There's really nothing there for them.

1079
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: So you might get the odd one that goes across

1080
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: if there's something to know that on the other side

1081
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: of it that they're trying to get to, like a

1082
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: standing cornfield or another wood lot or something like that.

1083
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: But normally they don't travel across these wide open pastures.

1084
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: They stick to the fence lines and they stick to

1085
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: the cover. Well, now you've got a spot where the

1086
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: deer aren't going to be downwind of view. You know,

1087
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: you can use maybe a little low spot in the

1088
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: pasture or whatever, you know, anything you can do to hide.

1089
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: You slip in there, step in a little ways into

1090
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: that into that wood lot, you know, twenty ars or

1091
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: so in set your tree stand out with the wind

1092
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: blowing out into the pasture. Um, you know, your odds

1093
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: of you're messing that up are pretty low. Uh, it's

1094
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: even better yet if it's a travel area, you know,

1095
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: over the deer going from you know, point A to

1096
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: point B and passing through that spot. I mean, if

1097
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: you start, if you start thinking about it, just come

1098
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: up with tons of spots like that. Another one that

1099
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: works really well too, really quick is you know, if

1100
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: you get high enough on a ridge similar to like

1101
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: like I said, talking about the edge of that quarry,

1102
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: but if the land drops away from you fairly quickly

1103
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: on the downwind side, uh, the deer passing on that

1104
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: side of you are going to be below your senstory

1105
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 1: and you want to be up close to the top.

1106
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: So because someways you get swirling, you know, where the

1107
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: wind comes over the top of the ridge, then it

1108
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: starts to swirl dropping into that valley. So if you're

1109
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: above that swirl point, uh, your sense is going to

1110
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: stay above the deer in the entire valley down the

1111
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: downward side of you. Um. That's kind of how I

1112
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 1: set up in betting areas. I tried to get situations

1113
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: like that on these ridgetop betting areas because then I

1114
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: can approach it into the wind, get into my tree

1115
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: on the downwind edge of the ridge, and then any

1116
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: deer that travels, you know, through there, even if they're

1117
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: you know a little bit down windom me, Um, they're

1118
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: not going to pick up I sent. So those are

1119
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: just a few, uh but you know, you study an

1120
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: area long enounce and you'll figure out, you know, how

1121
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: to turn sponsor we're a little bit tougher to hunt

1122
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: into no brainers by just tweaking them a little bit.

1123
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: On that example, that last one related to ridges, I

1124
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: think this is a good time to dig a little

1125
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: bit more into that specific terrain feature because so many

1126
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: places across the country have some version of a ridge

1127
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: that deer use in relatively predictable ways. And I know

1128
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: that you mentioned in this new area hunting and that's

1129
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: kind of the name of the game, and you described

1130
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: it as pretty straightforward. Can you elaborate a little bit

1131
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: more on how you're setting up like eight number one,

1132
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: how do you believe these deer are using those ridges?

1133
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: And then be maybe a little more detail on how

1134
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: you're choosing whearing the ridge you want to set up.

1135
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: I understand that you're getting up there, uh down on

1136
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: the down wind side, blowing your wind into the valley,

1137
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: but more detail on that would be helpful. Well, then

1138
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: I'll start with that first. Whenever possible, we'll try to

1139
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: find there's a like a little uh, I guess it's

1140
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: a little valley or a little hollow or draw leading

1141
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: up the ridge, leading up the side of the ridge.

1142
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: We'll go around the tops of those little draws. So

1143
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: if you have an erosion, bitch, let's say, for example,

1144
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: that comes down off of off a ridge. Uh, that's

1145
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: a that's a prime example of of a train feature

1146
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: that they're going to go around. But it can be

1147
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: more subtle than that. It can be just that you know,

1148
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: five ft six foot deep dip, you know, where the

1149
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: the terrain kind of you know, it's kind of hard

1150
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: to I'm showing you on a topo map, but you

1151
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: can probably envision it. It's not Most bridges aren't just perfect.

1152
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: They've got play them, you know, going on either side.

1153
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: So all you to go up the draw and then

1154
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: set up at the top of that draw, because then

1155
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: you get a little bit of a bottleneck the fact

1156
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: at the top, because the deer are gonna, like you said,

1157
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: tend to follow that contour around, and then you get

1158
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: to keep a little bit more out of sight coming

1159
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: and going because you're down in that little draw. In

1160
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: places where you don't have those draws, really what you're

1161
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: doing is playing a trade off of how far out

1162
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: towards the end of the point that you want to go,

1163
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: because the density of betting seems to get higher the

1164
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: further towards the end of the ridge that you get,

1165
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: like the point. And you know, sometimes you don't have

1166
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: bridges I guess that don't have points. Uh, you know,

1167
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: they're just like long ridges that run along the side

1168
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: of a creek or something like that. But normally they

1169
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: go out to a point. You know, it's because there

1170
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: their valley that joins you know, the one that that

1171
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: overlooks you know that the that the ridge overlooks normally

1172
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: to go out to a point, and that's where the

1173
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: the key betting area is. The deer will bet, will

1174
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: bet all along the ridge. But they really do like

1175
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: to favor that very in because then they can see

1176
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: in every direction. They don't really have stuff that sneaks

1177
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: up on them. They can smell what's behind them, and

1178
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: they can see everything that's out in front of them.

1179
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: Um so, so naturally they like to get out on

1180
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: those points. So I don't like to set up right

1181
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: out on the point because I feel like it's hard

1182
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: to get out of a morning stand of the deer

1183
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: betting close to you, and if you're gon try to

1184
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: hunt that spot at the afternoon for whatever reason, it's

1185
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: gonna be super hard to get in there because the

1186
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: deer are gonna be there, you know, are anyone you're

1187
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: trying to sneak in. So that's the other thing I

1188
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: would look at is trying to anticipate where the deer

1189
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: are actually going to be vetted. And uh, I don't

1190
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: want to set up right on top of where they're

1191
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: going to be vetted. I would rather be a little

1192
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: ways off and let the move but you know, let

1193
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: the run in the in the activity that takes place

1194
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: in those in those areas, you know, move a buck

1195
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: within bow range rather than runt of the risk of

1196
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: being right on top of the deer that are betting there. Yeah,

1197
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You know, when when thinking about a

1198
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: situation like this, like hunting a ridgeline or you know,

1199
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: the head of a ditch that kind of funnels deer

1200
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: along as they cruise along that ridge or any other terrain,

1201
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: pinch point funnel, etcetera. A lot of times we envision

1202
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: those types of setups as being as being a spot

1203
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: where you wait for you know, opportunity, you wait for

1204
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: any buck that's gonna come through there, or what any

1205
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: buck of your age, target rain or whatever it is.

1206
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: It's not the kind of thing that you typically think

1207
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: about when trying to kill a specific buck. And really

1208
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: I think that applies a lot of the time to

1209
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,439
Speaker 1: the rut in general. Right when people think about the rut,

1210
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: folks claim that, yeah, you can't pattern one. I'm curious

1211
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: if you if you have a thought on approaching the

1212
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: rut with a specific deer in mind, you know, do

1213
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: you do anything different? Can you pattern a deer in

1214
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: any kind of way during the rut or is it

1215
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: kind of hoping and praying? So I think you can.

1216
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: I think that they they may not be quite as predictable,

1217
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: but they're still gonna be staying somewhere near there their

1218
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: typical core, you know, like wherever you found them in

1219
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: the middle of October, they're gonna be in that general area.

1220
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: Some of them will just take off, think you know,

1221
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: their on the odd box. They will leave and go

1222
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: file away or whatever two miles away. Do you hear

1223
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: those stories all the time, But that's not been really

1224
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: my experience. In general. The bucks usually don't just take

1225
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: off and leave. Um. They may, they may expand their

1226
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: range a little bit, but more than anything, they're just

1227
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: tied up with does and they're breeding does and they're

1228
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: not really moving. Um. So I don't feel like you

1229
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: can't kill them in in their in their normal rages.

1230
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: They're normal, you know, on near their normal core, in

1231
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: the spot where they spend most of their time in October.

1232
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: It's still the spot where you should be able to

1233
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: find them, uh during the run, just not quite as

1234
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: consistently because they're not there every day. That's the that's

1235
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: prime to the difference, because you know, there might be

1236
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: on one end of their range for two days breeding

1237
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: a dough and then on the other end of their

1238
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: range for two days breeding a dough, whereas in October

1239
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: they might have been in their core or near their

1240
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: core every single day. But you can still kill them,

1241
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, on purpose during the bun. You don't have

1242
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: to abandon the hope of of you know, trying to

1243
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: kill a specific buck. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen the same

1244
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: thing in a lot of places too. And I know

1245
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: that some studies have even shown when radio coloring or

1246
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: GPS coloring these bucks that you know they do have

1247
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: those core key places that they keep returning to, like

1248
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: those dope beetting ears or a doe feeding ear, and

1249
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: they they cycle through often. So I do think that's

1250
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: one of those things that's gotten overblown, is that people

1251
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: think these deer throw all caution and reason to the

1252
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: wind and they just run around willy nilly. But they

1253
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: still have a goal in mind. Of course, when they

1254
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: get on a dough, then it does become kind of wild.

1255
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: But when they're seeking a dough trying to find those doughs,

1256
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: there's there's a handful places where they usually will be

1257
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: in any given spot, and those bucks know it. So

1258
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: we'd be wise to do the same thing, right, Yeah,

1259
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: I think so, you know, it's just unfortunate that that's

1260
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: the run only has a few really good days, you know,

1261
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: like you're saying, people think it's willy newly, you know,

1262
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: wide open from the beginning to the end, but it's

1263
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: not because they just don't move really really well very often.

1264
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: Uh And and I think a hot dough is one

1265
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: of the triggers. And sometimes it has to do with

1266
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: the weather, and sometimes it's just stuff. I don't know why,

1267
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: but you'll have days during the rotten where you'll see

1268
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, ten bucks and you think, oh man, things

1269
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 1: are busting loose, this is gonna be awesome. Then the

1270
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: next day you don't see any and you're hunting, you know,

1271
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: basically the same areas. So it's not like it's an

1272
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: end to end action packed time. Uh. You know, you

1273
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: still have to be there, you know, as often as

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01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: you can, you know, put your time in so that

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01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: you're there during those five or six days when it's

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 1: really good, you know. And they're not five or six

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01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,480
Speaker 1: contiguous days either. They're just five or six days, and

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01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: sometimes you can predict them and sometimes you can't. It's

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01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: it's a yeah, it's it's an interesting game. I've learned.

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: I learned that the hard way too, that it's not

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01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: it's not good all the time. So curious about the

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01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: upcoming conditions. Speaking of days that are better than some

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01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: across at least a lot of like the Upper Grade Lakes,

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01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: the Midwest, central parts of the country, we've got a

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01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: lot of rain pushing through and you know, a lot

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: of wind as these fronts are moving across the country. Uh.

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: As far as that rainy days or just after big

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01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: rainy days and then windy days with the fronts pushing through.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on on how dear activity, your buck

1290
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: activity in this time of year is impacted by that.

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01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think they move very well when

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: it's raining hard. Um, A light rain doesn't seem to

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01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: impact them that much. And people think that they don't

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01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: like to move when it's windy, but that's not been

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01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: my experience either. You know. I feel like windy days

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: can be really really good. Some of my very best

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01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: hunts have been on pretty windy days, So don't let

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01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: the in throw you. In fact, I've had a lot

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01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: better success on windy days than I have on still days. Um.

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01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if the deer they just kind of

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: get a little bit edgier on those still days. I

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01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: think it's because they can hear everything, and so they

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01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: just stand there listening. You know, like they'll hear vehicle

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01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: on a gravel road two miles away and they'll stop

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01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: to listen, you know, where if the window was blown

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01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: fifteen miles an hour, they wouldn't hear that truck und

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: yards away because of the leaves, you know, the leaves

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01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: rattling in the trees. So I feel like they're they're

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01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: hyper sensitive on still days and they don't travel as

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01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: well as they do on windy days. Yeah, it's a

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01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: it's just the opposite of what some people think they're Yeah, well,

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01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 1: I'd say that's good news for for folks across across

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01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot of the country this week at least, because

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01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: that seems to be in the forecast. Yeah. I know,

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01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: you've got to run here pretty quick because you you've

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: got a big hunter head of you, and I know, um,

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01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: I know that you've got high hopes for it. I

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: do too, So I to just wrap it up with

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01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: one last kind of thought here. Question. I've always thought

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01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: that a lot of rut hunting success. Of course, that

1321
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: the excess knows matter and spending out time out there

1322
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: that matters a ton, of course. But there's this other

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01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: side of the rut that is happening between our ears.

1324
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: There's this whole mental side of you know, hunting, this

1325
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: this high pressure like this is we build up the

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01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: rut so much all year, right, we were eat, sleeping,

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01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: and breathing just to get to this period. This is

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01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: the super bowl of our season. And then it gets

1329
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 1: here and it's the million different things that are possible

1330
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: during the rut UM, I'm curious for you, Bill, what

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01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: do you view as maybe the greatest mental challenges we

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01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,799
Speaker 1: typically face during the rut and how have you learned

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01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: to overcome them? Or when I bring this topic up

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01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: of the mental challenges of the rut, what comes to

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01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: mind do you? And how have things evolved for you?

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01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: I think the biggest challenge that we have is we

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01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,440
Speaker 1: treat it like a sprint and not a marathon. Um.

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01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: You know, we we get into it and we're so excited,

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01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: and we go to our best spots and we burn

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01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: them out, and then we go to our next best

1341
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: spots and we burn them out. And you know, we

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01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: need to treat the rut, especially if you have enough

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01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: days to hunt, you know, where you don't have to

1344
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: go for broke right away. You need to treat it

1345
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: as a marathon and not a sprint, um, because you

1346
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: have better success, you know, over the long haul by

1347
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: being patient and working your way in on the stuff

1348
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: that makes sense rather than just diving in on top

1349
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: of it right from the start. Um. But other than that,

1350
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, you can get worn down. But you know,

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01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: as hunters, we love this stuff, so it's not like

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: when you get worn down It's not the same as

1353
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: if you're you know, going out and running five miles

1354
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: a day and you're like, I need a break from this.

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01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: It's more of a you know, it's a different kind

1356
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: of worn down. It's not the kind of worn down

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: that you're hoping to get away from. It's it's the

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01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: kind of worn down that you love. Um, So I

1359
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: don't look at that and say, well, I've gotten burned out.

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01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: I never get burned out on hunting the run. Um,

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01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: it's just you just have to be patient and and

1362
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: and not get too uh, you know, too crazy right

1363
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: off the bat, because you can ruin your season by

1364
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: being impatient. And Uh, that's just what I would caution people.

1365
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Wise

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01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: wise words, Bill, Well, I know you've got to get

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01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: out there and hit the woods. Since I want to.

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01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: I want to let you get that get after it. Uh.

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01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want folks to keep an eye

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01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: out from you? Or is there any place people can

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01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: still keep in touch with you or stay abreast of

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01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: what you're up to these days that you want to share.

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01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: I'll probably get back into media a little bit more

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01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: again at some point I'm taking a break, kind of

1375
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: hitting the reset button. But I mean I do have

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01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: the bill Winky dot com website going. I haven't got

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01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: a whole lot of content on there. Um, you know,

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01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, pop into it's a while

1379
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: and answer questions that people might have and and that

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01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: sort of thing. But um, you know, for the most part,

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01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of flying under the radar, hitting the

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01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: reset and then kind of seeing you know where I

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 1: you know where I come back to the surface again. Uh.

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01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: You know, it just thirty some years of going as

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01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: hard as I could go, It's time to take a

1386
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: little break and reassess, you know, everything about it, not

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01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: only just the business part of it, but even my

1388
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: own motivation and you know what, what about it that

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01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: fires me up? Um. So, so I'm not really doing

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01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: a whole lot, which is fine with me right now,

1391
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: but I do have to get back to work, so

1392
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: it's not like I can go on forever like this. Yeah. Well,

1393
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: it sounds like a much a well deserved rest, and

1394
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're enjoying it. I don't know if

1395
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: it's deserved, but it sure is nice. I bet I'm

1396
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: jealous of all the trout fishing you've been doing. In particular,

1397
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: I've seen that. Yeah, I've been see. That was something

1398
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: I did growing up as a kid too. I was

1399
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: a big time trout fisherman. Not awesome at it, but

1400
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: I went all the time, you know. And just getting

1401
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: back to that, you know, and having fun, you know,

1402
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: getting that little tug on the end of the line

1403
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: is because uh, that's been that's been good for me too. Yes. Well,

1404
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: if you're ever swinging through eastern Idaho or western Wyoming,

1405
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: you're welcome to go fishing me at my cabin out

1406
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: there any summer. You just let me know. Well, we

1407
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: might have to hit the h Henry spork at some

1408
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: point then, oh man, the heater spork is right, it's

1409
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: in my backyard. Well, let's go. We'll plan on it.

1410
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: It'll be you tell me when it's best and I'll

1411
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: be there. All right, Let's let's talk soon. Bill. Good

1412
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: luck tonight and the rest of your rut. Yeah sounds

1413
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: good to you too. Thank you. All right, that's it.

1414
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this one. Thank you for tuning in.

1415
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: We'll keep this short and sweet. Get out there, get

1416
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: your button a tree or a ground blind or a

1417
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: patch of weeds, whatever it is, get outside, chase those

1418
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: dear and have a good time. Execute, but have a

1419
01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: good time, and until next time, stay wired, don't m hm.