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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Friends and neighbors. As you can

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Speaker 1: tell from the background music playing gently behind us, we

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Speaker 1: are Texas bound in today's episode. I'm bed loping along

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Speaker 1: on our our ponies, get along, little dog that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm no um and we're riding on the range today.

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Speaker 1: We are We're riding around the great American West points

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Speaker 1: north and south. We are joined in spirit with our

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Speaker 1: super producer, Casey Pegram, who is still away in France. Man,

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Speaker 1: I bet he's living it up, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: him the other day and I was like, Man, you're

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Speaker 1: having a blast. He goes, yeah, I man, I just

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Speaker 1: saw a ten hour film that does sound like him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when I was what I was talking to him. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I always have to check to see if this is

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Speaker 1: going to be the trip where he decides to stay

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Speaker 1: in France. So do us a favor right to him,

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Speaker 1: Let him know that he has to come back at

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Speaker 1: some voy because it's just not the same without him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like when a band gets back together

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Speaker 1: but they have a different lead singer. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: been to a concert like that, No, but I do remember.

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Speaker 1: The thing that always comes to mind is when um

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Speaker 1: Ozzy left Black Sabbath and was replaced by Ronnie James Dio.

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Speaker 1: That just seemed that seemed like heresy, which I guess

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Speaker 1: and that's a good point. But before we go too

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Speaker 1: no Dan Ondo nor On Osborne to say that they

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Speaker 1: for a long long time, but now it's time for

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Speaker 1: him to pass the torch back to Ozzie. And both

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Speaker 1: both of these performers are legends. And speaking of fantastic segues,

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Speaker 1: today's episode is about alleged we got there, you did

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Speaker 1: it man, alleg gent allegedly, allegedly, allegedly a leggy legend.

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Speaker 1: My girlfriend this morning called me the the King of

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Speaker 1: dad jokes. She did not mean it as a compliment.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with doing dad. It's

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Speaker 1: and I'm proud of it. Most I think most people

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Speaker 1: I agree, Dad bod dad jokes. It's like a term

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Speaker 1: the only thing that got us a producer in the

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Speaker 1: super producer Eden Brown. Okay, I see where you're going

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Speaker 1: with that, and thank you eating for saving the show.

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Speaker 1: So there's this alleged uh hero of today's story. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this allegedly leggy legend better known as Antonio Lopez de

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Speaker 1: Santa on A. That is a mouthful allegedly leggy legend. Man,

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Speaker 1: we could do we could do another leg of that,

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Speaker 1: I think big time. So this guy Santa Anna. You

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Speaker 1: may have heard of him before. He was born on

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Speaker 1: February one, seventeen ninety four, and he was a tremendously

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Speaker 1: influential politician. In general, we wouldn't call him a war lord,

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Speaker 1: different times. Yeah, world class legoomaniac. Yeah, he's gonna keep

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Speaker 1: this rolling. Sure we could uh. He was often described

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Speaker 1: world class manufacturer of lore pertaining to his favorite guy,

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Speaker 1: General Santa Ana himself. He is probably most famous, at

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Speaker 1: least in the United States today for his activity during

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Speaker 1: the Texas Revolution from eighteen thirty five to eighteen thirty six,

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Speaker 1: notorious sacker of the Alamo. Right, there were some Texan

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Speaker 1: and they earned this defense with blood. There were about

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Speaker 1: And that's why you'll hear the battle cry remember Goliad

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Speaker 1: on the twenty one April in eighteen thirty six. During

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Speaker 1: It's true. He is sort of remembered similarly to Napoleon

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Speaker 1: It will come into play later. I'll remember to bring

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Speaker 1: events that occurred after the album, which is briefly, all

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Speaker 1: those those Alamo centric atrocities you mentioned probably really got

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Speaker 1: the Texan rebels fired up, and they ultimately won their

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Speaker 1: That is where the famous the famous call to arms

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Speaker 1: pastry war band? That sounds delicious. I'm delayed, you asked.

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Speaker 1: So there's another geo political thing going on here. France

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Speaker 1: of what was it, sixty thousand pasos sixty that's right,

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Speaker 1: for the pastry war. They gave this ultimatum to Mexico

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Speaker 1: The Mexican Congress said their version of heck noo, are

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Speaker 1: all over one French bakery. It must have been a

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Speaker 1: so back to this Greek descripture by Christopher Clyde right

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Speaker 1: there right in there for History, Yeah, Santa Anna was

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Speaker 1: savage exactly, And they're all about it. So they're able

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Speaker 1: my happy place show. I'm really sad that it's not

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Speaker 1: on any of the streaming services anymore. But I was

426
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Speaker 1: able to dig this up from a DVD that I

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Speaker 1: have of this particular season. The episode is called the

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Speaker 1: Final shin salt Um and it opens with Peggy Hill

429
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Speaker 1: as a substitute teacher because as we know, that's what

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Speaker 1: Peggy Hill does um of her son Bobby's history class,

431
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: Texas History. And they're doing a little play that sums

432
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Speaker 1: up this this very event. So you just play it, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's do it now. In preparation for our field trip.

434
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Speaker 1: Your classmates are going to act out a little known

435
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Speaker 1: episode of Mexican American history. The year is eighteen forty seven.

436
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: In General Santa Anna, I led the Mexican army at

437
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: the Elmo where we defeated Texas. We are at the

438
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: Battle of Sarah Gordo eleven years later, and we are hungry. Sir,

439
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: I will hold your artificial leg while you eat chicken. Mhmt.

440
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: Look out, it's the Illinois Volunteer Infantry up on General.

441
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: I stole your fake leg. Oh well, that was beautiful.

442
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: That was just inspired. So yeah, I mean, need we

443
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: say more? I guess not. So there's a little artistic

444
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: license with that particular clip. But the way I've read

445
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: it is that Santa Anna knew that the Illinois um

446
00:28:53,400 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: soldiers were approaching, and he hastily retreated, leaving his carriage abandoned,

447
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: complete with his half eaten roasted chicken, about eighteen thousand

448
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: dollars in gold in gold, and one more thing, his

449
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: fake leg. So this prosthetic leg becomes a trophy piece.

450
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: People were flocking to county fairs to pay a little

451
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: bit of money to get a peek at this relic,

452
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: and eventually it fell into the possession of the Illinois

453
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Speaker 1: State Military Museum. Yeah, because I guess they were the

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Speaker 1: ones that the you know, the soldiers from Illinois were

455
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Speaker 1: the ones. What what got it? It seems a little

456
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: odd though, that it would end up in Illinois, considering

457
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: that Texas um had much more of a close connection

458
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: with with General Santa Anna and his memorabilia right right,

459
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: And in the recent years, even unto the modern day,

460
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: this possession of Santa Anna's leg has become controversial. So

461
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: in Texas in the modern day, several groups of people

462
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: are petitioning Illinois to return the leg, the prosthetic leg

463
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Speaker 1: of Santa Ana to Texas. You can read about this

464
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: in the Chicago Tribune. You can read about this in

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Speaker 1: the museum site itself. But it does seem unusual, doesn't

466
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Speaker 1: it that it would end up in Illinois, of all places,

467
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Speaker 1: simply because the people who originally captured the leg where

468
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: themselves from Illinois. It's true, Um, it's actually this. There's

469
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Speaker 1: a museum in in Texas called the Sanya Sinto Museum

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Speaker 1: of History that has tons of Santa Ana memorabilia. Um.

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Speaker 1: They have like a glove, uh, and they have like

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Speaker 1: silverware that he left behind during the Battle of Santa

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00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: sinto um plates all kinds of things related to this

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Speaker 1: historical figure. But what they don't have, uh and would

475
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: very much like to have, is that fake leg. But

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00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: Illinois is not giving it up anytime soon. No. Unfortunately

477
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: for the people who wish to see it returned, the

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00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: directors the management of both the museum and the Illinois

479
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: Department of Military Affairs are not budgeting. Colonel Brad Layton,

480
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: the public affairs director of the Illinois Department of Military

481
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Speaker 1: Affairs as recently as two thousand and sixteen, said when

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Speaker 1: asked if they would ever return this leg to Texas,

483
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: he said, the answer is no. We paid for that

484
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: leg with Illinois blood and so Nold, there's another quote

485
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Speaker 1: that you found from the same King of the Hill episode,

486
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Speaker 1: the Final shin Sult and in this clip we can

487
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: see this clip is a little bit different because they're

488
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: taking a sort of an alternative universe approach, but we

489
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: can see how many people would react to the mention

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00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: of Santa Anna's leg, especially a grizzled Texas war hero

491
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: like Grandpa hill Cotton, one of my favorite characters in

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00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: the show Here we Go, Hank. That reminds me we

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00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: need some chaperons for Bobby's class trip. What kind of

494
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: trip by Vegas? There's a general and exhibit the museum.

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00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: We did at play about him in school and I

496
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: was one of his province. Yeah, yeah, I know all

497
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: about Santy Anny. We got his walking laud under glass.

498
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: Neil Noise, I'm glad to say, actually, Cotton, the leg

499
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: is coming through Arland. America is finally returning the leg, Tomco.

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00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: What take it easy, Dad? Take it easy? You see Bobby,

501
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: your daddy's generations giving away everything we fought for, pant

502
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: him off the now Mexican leg people give back down

503
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: to his backers that you had him. And while the

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00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: real life press that A is not traveling to Mexico,

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00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: or at least not as we record this. Uh. The

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00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: clip does a decent job of depicting the emotions involved.

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00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: And now the leg store means in Illinois and the

508
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: people who could return it to Texas are categorically against it,

509
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: so it looks set to stay there. Yeah, it's also

510
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: Mexico wants it back all the while. Um sant Ana,

511
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: even during his life, was was petitioning to get it

512
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: back in Mexico has continued to ask for it back.

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00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: You can kind of see why Illinois would be so

514
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: fond of the leg um. They went so far as

515
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: to name one of their cities after the Battle of

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00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: Sarah Gordo, which took place in Mexico, Um sarah Gordo,

517
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: which means fat hill. Right. Yeah, And at this point

518
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm probably wondering what happens to Santa Anna after he

519
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: has lost his leg that he spends you know, much

520
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: of his later life petitioning to have returned. From eighteen

521
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: fifty five to eighteen seventy four, he lived in exile

522
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: in various parts of the world, in Cuba, Columbia, the

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00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: United States, the Island of St. Thomas. A lot of

524
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: Napoleon analogs here right right, like Saint Helena and Elba.

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00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: He had left. He being Santa Anna, had left Mexico

526
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: due to his unpopularity after his defeat in a participated

527
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: in different gambling businesses and other industries, hoping that he

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00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: would become rich. Oh, we didn't even talk about his marriages.

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00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: Did you know what he He had a habit of

530
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: marrying wealthy teenage women for the for the financial benefits.

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Speaker 1: Ariss is kind of yeah, and one of the one

532
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: of the legends is that during one of his weddings,

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00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: he didn't show up to the ceremonies. What a piece

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00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: of work. I guess he was busy. He could work

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00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: at it. I mean, you know, everybody knows scheduling is

536
00:34:52,520 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: tough or anything. So one of the things he did

537
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: in his later life in the eighteen fifties, he brought

538
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: the first shipment of chick la to New York. Yeah,

539
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: he helped introduce chewing gum to the United States. He

540
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: originally intended it to be used in tires, which makes sense,

541
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: you know at the time. But he had hoped that

542
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: he could hang out with his friend inventor named Thomas

543
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: Adams and create a rubber substitute, which a lot of

544
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: people were looking for in this day and age, and unfortunately,

545
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: they could not use the chick la in that In

546
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: that application. However, Adams figured out that if he added

547
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: flavorings and sweeteners to the plant to the chick la,

548
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: he could create quote rubber chewing gum, and the company

549
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: that Adams started would become one of the largest in

550
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: the United States, rivaled only by that of William Wrigley Jr.

551
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: Wrigley Gum. Yeah, I like a good juicy fruit. Yeah,

552
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: oddly enough. I don't know if we've mentioned it on

553
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: this show, but you know, juicy fruit is an entirely

554
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: manufactured flavorage doesn't exist. They made it up synthetically, and

555
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: that's why it's not that's why it is not tied

556
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: to any specific fruit flavor. But it's still you know,

557
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: it has the waft of a fruit like flavor. Right. Yeah,

558
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: last thing only because we we skipped it. We probably

559
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: should have brought this up earlier. Apparently the Illinois Infantry,

560
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: the fourth Illinois Infantry, actually captured as an additional um

561
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: Santa Ana leg that's true. Yes, yeah, we should mention

562
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: because the one that people think about and get all

563
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: worked up about is, you know, the full Monty cork

564
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: manufactured prosthetic. But that one would have been probably a

565
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: little more difficult to put on. So as a secondary,

566
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: as a backup, he also had something of a more

567
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: humble peg let egg uh and apparently Lieutenant Abner double

568
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: Day like to use it as a baseball bat. And

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00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: it's on display right here in our town of Atlanta, Decatur,

570
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: in fact um, at the former governor's mansion, Oglesby Mansion.

571
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: So we should check that out, we should do a

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00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: field trip, and we should also bid a due to

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00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: Antonio Lopez de Santa Ano. What a winding and twisted

574
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: story this one was. Now there is a good There

575
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: is a good ending, at least on a personal level.

576
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: In eighteen seventy four, under the terms of a general amnesty,

577
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: he was able to return home to Mexico. His vision

578
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: had deteriorated to a extreme degree due to the development

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00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: of cataracts. He was largely dismissed or ignored by the

580
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: government of the time, and he hadn't been in politics

581
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: since eighteen fifty five. Eventually, he passed away at his

582
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: home in Mexico City in eighteen seventy six, at the

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00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: age of eighty two. He was buried in a glass coffin.

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00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: That's cool, like snow white. And imagine, you know, for

585
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: someone who lives a such a violent life in war,

586
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like winning the lottery to die

587
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: in peace at your own home. Not to mention at

588
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: eight two, life expectancy back in those days was was

589
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: not not near that. And to have, you know, life

590
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: expectancy for soldiers of course, yeah, but just in general, right,

591
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it pretty pretty impressive that he

592
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: that he made it that far and had gone through

593
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: so much intense stuff. Um, but yeah, that's not that's

594
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: that's not a happy ending exactly, but it's it's a

595
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: little dignity for this mavericky, complex peacock of a man. Yeah,

596
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: it's it's bitter sweet, but it is peaceful and that's

597
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing wrong with that. You can't be

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00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: angry at that. However, however, you can visit Illinois, you

599
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: can visit Atlanta, and you can see these legs in

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Speaker 1: person if you would like to check out, at least

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00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: in the case of Illinois, a relic that traveled the

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Speaker 1: Udinean States as a tourist attraction. If you do happen

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00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: to go there, please send us some photos. I would

604
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: like to see it if you if you could take

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00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: a selfie in front of the leg and I you know,

606
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: this brings us back to the earlier question that we

607
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: explored in the Corpses in the Diorama episode, which is

608
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Speaker 1: about ownership and ethics in museum collections. What do you think, folks,

609
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: should Illinois retain possession of this leg? Does it belong

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00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: in Mexico? Does it belong in Texas? Does it belong

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00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: somewhere else? And if so, why let us know. You

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Speaker 1: Nolu jump and in commented on some threads. I still

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Speaker 1: haven't posted, uh, I still haven't posted a response to

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Speaker 1: his favorite historical jerk. And apparently we're going to get

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see. I can't wait to see

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Speaker 1: who his fake dad is. That's right. Yeah, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: think he was telling us about that off air. So

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Speaker 1: thank you as always very much for listening. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to our super producer, Casey Pegram. Thank you to our

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