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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. I am your host

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Speaker 1: with Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all have different

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Speaker 1: definitions of success. For you, it may be the size

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Speaker 1: of your paycheck. Mine is basically inspiring people to accomplish

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Speaker 1: their goals and live their very best life. I always

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Speaker 1: tell people on this show and every episode, it's time

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Speaker 1: to stop reading other people's success stories and really start

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Speaker 1: writing your own. People always talk about their purpose or

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Speaker 1: their gift. If you have a gift, lead with your gift,

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Speaker 1: and remember this, don't let your friends, family, a coworkers

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Speaker 1: stop you from planning or living your dreams. My guests,

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Speaker 1: so Money Making Conversations Masterclass today is Anthony. Anthony Fleming,

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Speaker 1: the third Anthony as an actor has known for his

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Speaker 1: role in Fox. Some of these are just some of

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Speaker 1: the role. Man has a tremendous resume Foxes Television, Serious,

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Speaker 1: prison Break. He's also appealed on Divergent, NBC's Chicago Fire.

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Speaker 1: But currently he's starting in the shows that I watched

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Speaker 1: every Sunday. Pole Book for Force, A tendant, a tend

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Speaker 1: of episode Drama said in Chicago, one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: cities is the third stamer to Pole or you know,

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Speaker 1: you know Power University. You've got the MC universe, you

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Speaker 1: fourth book. Paula breaks apart and comes together. All different

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Speaker 1: types of family are. Everybody is surrounded by Tommy. But

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Speaker 1: he has a character that JP did. He plays on

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Speaker 1: the show Gifted jazz musician. Uh, let him know. I played,

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Speaker 1: As Richard JP's life feels he still cares the pain

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Speaker 1: one and only Tommy. Please. Welcome to Money Making Conversations, Masterclass,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Flaming the third. How you doing, sir? I'm doing great?

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Speaker 1: How you doing? Oh? Pretty good? I try to say

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Speaker 1: everything up. Man. Let everybody know who I'm talking to. Anthony.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit more about you. Where you

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Speaker 1: based at right now? Anthony born and raised in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I currently live in Chicago, where I was in Chicago

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Speaker 1: with Steve Hardy that was up to doing this talk

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Speaker 1: show from twenties twelve the twenty seventeen. So Chicago quickly

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Speaker 1: became one of my favorite cities. Man. Now now that

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Speaker 1: I do, I will tell you this, and you could

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Speaker 1: probably agree with me on this. I have clothes that

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Speaker 1: But the beauty of Chicago. Talk to us a little

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Speaker 1: bit about that. That That that that the culture of Chicago,

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Speaker 1: what your relationship was introduced? How I'm just letting everybody

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Speaker 1: more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Those

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