Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is verdict with Senator Ted Kruz Ben Ferguson with
Speaker 2: you and Senator The state of free speech is something
Speaker 2: that has not been talked about a lot lately because
Speaker 2: we had this big victory here with Donald Trump and
Speaker 2: conservatives in charge. But we are seeing an insane crackdown
Speaker 2: on free speech in Europe right now and it is
Speaker 2: a very concerning moment.
Speaker 3: It is indeed, and let me say, free speech is
Speaker 3: a fundamental liberty. There's a reason is protected in the
Speaker 3: First Amendment to the Constitution. And on this podcast we
Speaker 3: have covered the assault on free speech in the United Kingdom. Sadly,
Speaker 3: it is not just the UK, it is all of Europe,
Speaker 3: it is the United States. It is a global assault
Speaker 3: on free speech. But tonight we're going to break down
Speaker 3: Number one. Jd Vance. He gave an incredible speech in
Speaker 3: Europe that I think really was important. It was calling
Speaker 3: out Europe for its abandonment of the values of free
Speaker 3: speech and how much of Europe has given up on
Speaker 3: those values. Secondly, we're going to talk about dose elon Musk,
Speaker 3: diving into the incredible waste and abuse we see in
Speaker 3: our federal government and in particular over four trillion dollars
Speaker 3: in federal payments that are unaccountable that we cannot figure
Speaker 3: out where they went. We're going to break that down
Speaker 3: as well.
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Speaker 2: are we talking about.
Speaker 1: Free speech in Europe. Let's talk about America.
Speaker 2: This is a I think a flashpoint and a warning
Speaker 2: point that we could be where Europe is if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for one election and this last one of the
Speaker 2: one I'm talking about, and that was part of the
Speaker 2: reason why I think jd Vance was so blunt in
Speaker 2: his speech in Europe about what they're doing to crack
Speaker 2: down on people just expressing their opinions.
Speaker 3: Well, listen off. In Europe and the United States flow
Speaker 3: on similar trend lines. You look at in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 3: ron O Reagan became president, Margaret Thatcher became president. You
Speaker 3: look at after that, you had George Herbert Walker Bush,
Speaker 3: and then you had John Major. You look at Bill
Speaker 3: Clinton and Tony Blair. There are similar trend lines between
Speaker 3: the United States and Europe, and those trend lines are
Speaker 3: interwoven when it comes to fundamental liberties under the United
Speaker 3: States Constitution, the First Amendment, you've got religious liberty and
Speaker 3: free speech, and those are the two fundamental rights upon
Speaker 3: which all of our other liberties are built. And one
Speaker 3: of the most distressing things you look back, even five
Speaker 3: ten years ago, the left defended free speech. The left
Speaker 3: believed in free speech. As I look at today's Democrats,
Speaker 3: one of the things that scares me the most is
Speaker 3: the left has abandoned free speech. They've decided if you
Speaker 3: don't say what we agree with, we will silence you,
Speaker 3: we will cancel you, we will use big tech to
Speaker 3: muzzle you, we will use the power of government to
Speaker 3: fire you, to oppress you, and even to incarcerate you. Now,
Speaker 3: the last piece may seem extreme. You might say, Okay, look,
Speaker 3: we don't live in a world where you get locked
Speaker 3: up for what you say. Well, you know what, much
Speaker 3: like the Canarian the coal Mine, Europe is a precursor
Speaker 3: to where America is heading. And if you look at Europe,
Speaker 3: we have seen an assault on free speech that is terrifying. Now,
Speaker 3: on this podcast, you and I have talked about in
Speaker 3: the United Kingdom, in particular the efforts to prosecute those
Speaker 3: who tweet things that are deemed unacceptable, those who speak out,
Speaker 3: those who speak out against the epidemic of child rape.
Speaker 3: Child rape we see from Pakistani Muslims engage in rape gangs,
Speaker 3: raping not just hundreds, but thousands of children. And yet
Speaker 3: in the UK for years, for decades, there was a
Speaker 3: culture of repression and on the unwillingness of the political
Speaker 3: environment to talk about it. Now, I will say, we
Speaker 3: saw JD. Vans, my friend the Vice President, go to
Speaker 3: Europe this past week and give a speech that I
Speaker 3: think is really important. It shocked Europe. He was at
Speaker 3: the Munich Security Conference, which I've been to before. It's
Speaker 3: a conference that many of the nations of Europe go
Speaker 3: to the United States go to. They're typically roughly a
Speaker 3: dozen to twenty US senators to go to. And he
Speaker 3: gave a speech normally a government officially supposed to give
Speaker 3: a speech about how America and Europe were on the
Speaker 3: same side. We're all standing together. Rah rah rah JD.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of him. The speech he gave, he called
Speaker 3: out Europe for their willingness to violate free speech. I
Speaker 3: why don't you give a listen to this excerpt from
Speaker 3: JD's speech.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, when I look at Europe today, it's sometimes
Speaker 4: not so clear what happened to some of the Cold
Speaker 4: Wars winners. I looked to Brussels, where EU Commission commissars
Speaker 4: warrened citizens that they intend to shut down social media
Speaker 4: during times of civil unrest the moment they spot what
Speaker 4: they've judged to be quote, hateful content. Or to this
Speaker 4: very country where police have carried out raids against citizens
Speaker 4: suspected of posting anti feminist comments online as part of
Speaker 4: quote combating misogyny on the Internet a day of action.
Speaker 4: I looked to Sweden. We're two weeks ago the government
Speaker 4: convicted a Christian activist for participating in Kuran burnings that
Speaker 4: resulted in his friend's murder, and as the judge in
Speaker 4: his case chillingly noted, Sweden's laws to supp pposedly protect
Speaker 4: free expression do not in fact grant and I'm quoting
Speaker 4: a free pass to do or say anything without risking
Speaker 4: offending the group that holds that belief. And perhaps most concerningly,
Speaker 4: I look to our very dear friends, the United Kingdom,
Speaker 4: where the backslide away from conscience rights has placed the
Speaker 4: basic liberties of religious Britons in particular in the crosshairs.
Speaker 1: A little over two years ago.
Speaker 4: The British government charged Adam Smith Conner, a fifty one
Speaker 4: year old physiotherapist and an Army veteran, with the heinous
Speaker 4: crime of standing fifty meters from an abortion clinic and
Speaker 4: silently praying for three minutes, not obstructing anyone, not interacting
Speaker 4: with anyone, just silently praying on his own. After British
Speaker 4: law enforcement spotted him and demanded to know what he
Speaker 4: was praying for, Adam replied simply, it was on behalf
Speaker 4: of the unborn son he and his former girlfriend had
Speaker 4: aboarded years before.
Speaker 1: Now, the officers were not moved.
Speaker 4: Adam was found guilty of breaking the government's new buffer
Speaker 4: zones law, which criminalized as silent prayer and other actions
Speaker 4: that could influence a person's decision within two hundred meters
Speaker 4: of an abortion facility. He was sentenced to pay thousands
Speaker 4: of pounds in legal costs to the prosecution. Now, I
Speaker 4: wish I could say that this was a fluke, a
Speaker 4: one off, crazy example of a badly written law. Being
Speaker 4: enacted against a single person. But no this last October,
Speaker 4: just a few months ago, the Scottish government began distributing
Speaker 4: letters to citizens whose houses lay within so called safe
Speaker 4: access zones, warning them that even private prayer within their
Speaker 4: own homes may amount to breaking the law. Naturally, the
Speaker 4: government urged readers to report any fellow citizens suspected guilty
Speaker 4: of thought crime. In Britain and across Europe, free speech,
Speaker 4: I fear is in retreat.
Speaker 2: Not only did he just call them out to their face,
Speaker 2: he told the world what each one of these countries did.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, Amen, Listen when it comes to what
Speaker 3: fundamentally matters if we want to stay free, religious liberty
Speaker 3: is fundamental and free speech is fundamental. JD talked about
Speaker 3: how in the United Kingdom, silently praying has now been
Speaker 3: deemed a criminal offense. It is difficult to find a
Speaker 3: more staggering affront to individual liberty than that. And listen,
Speaker 3: I think we have an obligation to stand up and
Speaker 3: speak out. You know, Ben, I've talked about how Heidi
Speaker 3: and I were a mixed marriage. What do I mean
Speaker 3: by that? Heidi is a Francophile. I'm an angli phile.
Speaker 1: Heidi loves Paris.
Speaker 3: It's our favorite city on plunder Earth. I love the Brits.
Speaker 3: I love the United Kingdom. I love the incredible innovation,
Speaker 3: the incredible leadership of the Brits. So we're different and
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I a p preach to the French,
Speaker 3: but the beauty of a marriage as you combine both.
Speaker 3: It breaks my heart to see the Brits abandoning free speech.
Speaker 3: And the Brits are not alone, it's all of Europe.
Speaker 3: I want you to listen to this. This is from
Speaker 3: sixty minutes this past Sunday. This is a group of
Speaker 3: German prosecutors discussing German law about free speech. I got
Speaker 3: to say this clip horrified me, fundamental.
Speaker 1: Give a listen.
Speaker 5: Is it a crime to insult somebody in public?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes, and it's a crime to insult them online as well.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 6: The fine could be even higher if you insult someone
Speaker 6: in the Internet. Why because in Internet it stays there.
Speaker 6: If we are talking you face to face, you insult
Speaker 6: me and sold you okay, finish. But if you in
Speaker 6: the internet, if I insiled you or a politician.
Speaker 5: That ticks around forever, yeah.
Speaker 7: The prosecutors explain German law also prohibits the spread malicious gossip,
Speaker 7: violent threats, and fake quotes. If somebody posts something that's
Speaker 7: not true and then somebody else reposts it or likes it,
Speaker 7: are they committing a crime.
Speaker 6: And the case of reposting it as a crime as well,
Speaker 6: because the reader contstinguished whether you just invented this or
Speaker 6: just reposted it.
Speaker 5: That's the same for us.
Speaker 7: The punishment for breaking hate speech laws can include jail
Speaker 7: time for repeat offenders.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love how they say if you post
Speaker 2: something and notice the question there from sixty minutes about politicians,
Speaker 2: So you're on the other side, right, it's a divided country.
Speaker 2: You post something about somebody that you disagree with, they
Speaker 2: can now use that to lock you up, is what
Speaker 2: they're saying. And the prosecutor's like, yes, yes, that's exactly
Speaker 2: what we're going to do.
Speaker 3: Now. This is the government saying, if you dare say
Speaker 3: something we disagree with, we will lock you up. So
Speaker 3: I sent two tweets in the last twenty four hours,
Speaker 3: one retweeting this exchange. I said, this is not the
Speaker 3: first time the Germans have threatened to arrest you if
Speaker 3: you say something that the government doesn't like, and then
Speaker 3: number two, I retweeted the same exchange, but I said,
Speaker 3: so if someone called these guys quote goose stepping Nazis
Speaker 3: for gleefully enforcing totalitarian speech codes, that would be deemed
Speaker 3: a crime in Germany, I got to say on both
Speaker 3: of those. And by the way, I literally wondered, when
Speaker 3: I'm typing in these tweets. Listen, I'm a sitting senator
Speaker 3: from the Great State of Texas in the US Senate.
Speaker 3: As I'm typing in these tweets, I wondered, Gosh, if
Speaker 3: I visit Germany a year from now, will these bastards
Speaker 3: try to arrest me because I sent a tweet? And
Speaker 3: you know what, fine, if they do it, let's go.
Speaker 3: But let me say, how messed up is that that
Speaker 3: If I'm sitting on my phone saying, you're threatening to
Speaker 3: lock people up for saying things your government doesn't like
Speaker 3: and people are afraid. Okay, I cannot disagree with the
Speaker 3: totalitarian government. That's frightening. What has happened to Europe when
Speaker 3: free speech is speech? That terrifying to the European government
Speaker 3: that they're willing to imprison you for disagreeing with the
Speaker 3: orthodoxy of their beliefs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Adolf Hitler would be proud.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest if this, because this is exactly what
Speaker 2: he did to people that disagreed with him.
Speaker 1: He would lock them up.
Speaker 3: By the way, if you travel to Germany and get arrested,
Speaker 3: I'm going to send you a cake with a file
Speaker 3: in it to chisel through the bars so you're at
Speaker 3: my back. But listen what you said. Adolf Hitler would
Speaker 3: be proud. Germany has a little bit of PTSD coming
Speaker 3: out of World War Two. And listen, the Germans they
Speaker 3: don't like being the bad guys of history. And I
Speaker 3: get Listen, I'm not German, but I get if you're
Speaker 3: a modern German and you're kind of like, wait, our
Speaker 3: people were like, we're literally the Nazis. I get that
Speaker 3: that would be traumatizing, that that would make you upset,
Speaker 3: Like what wait, you know, when's the last time you
Speaker 3: saw a movie where the Nazis were the good guys.
Speaker 3: They're incredibly nervous about that, but they've swung so far
Speaker 3: to the other direction, you know.
Speaker 1: I remember, I think.
Speaker 3: It was in high school. I wrote a paper on
Speaker 3: how left and right in politics is not a straight line.
Speaker 3: It's not left on one side, right on the other.
Speaker 3: It's rather a circle where the extreme left and the
Speaker 3: extreme right intersect. They're both willing to interfere with individual
Speaker 3: liberty because of their radical ideology. This is a great example.
Speaker 3: I get if you're a German, you don't want to
Speaker 3: recreate the path of the Nazis. But you know what,
Speaker 3: if your government is willing to arrest someone for saying
Speaker 3: something thing you disagree with, guess what you're recreating the
Speaker 3: path of the Nazis.
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Speaker 2: abuse within our government. And then there's this new headline
Speaker 2: that came out of the White House, and that is
Speaker 2: a bombshell that there has been four point seven trillion
Speaker 2: dollars that has been spent that is untraceable in the
Speaker 2: way that the payments went out from the Treasury Department.
Speaker 1: Explain that to America.
Speaker 3: Well, let me read from our article in Fox News
Speaker 3: does says it found nearly untraceable budget line atems responsible
Speaker 3: for four point seven trillion in payments. The Trump administration's
Speaker 3: DOGE discovered an identification code linking US Treasury payments to
Speaker 3: a budget line at THEM, which accounts for nearly four
Speaker 3: point seven trillion dollars in payments which was oftentimes left blank.
Speaker 3: The Treasury Exit symbol TAS is an identification code linking
Speaker 3: a Treasury payment to a budget line at HIM standard
Speaker 3: financial process. Doze wrote in posts on x in the
Speaker 3: federal government, the TAS field was optional for four point
Speaker 3: seven trillion dollars in payments and was often left blank,
Speaker 3: making traceability almost impossible. As of Saturday, this is now
Speaker 3: a required field increasing insight into where money is actually going.
Speaker 3: So understand four point seven trillion dollars. Listen, A million
Speaker 3: dollars is a lot of money. A billion dollars is
Speaker 3: a crap ton more, it's actually a thousand times more.
Speaker 3: A trillion dollars is a thousand thousand times more than
Speaker 3: a million dollars, And four point seven trillion is even
Speaker 3: in federal government spending a massive amount. The point here
Speaker 3: is the money that has been coming from the federal
Speaker 3: government has been massively wasted, and there has been no accountability,
Speaker 3: and the entire governmental system is reacting in pain and
Speaker 3: horror and agony that Donald Trump and Elon Musker bringing
Speaker 3: finally accountability to it.
Speaker 2: You look at the four point seven trillion. Is this
Speaker 2: done on purpose? For this exact reason? If you don't
Speaker 2: know where the money's going, you can't trace the money,
Speaker 2: then you can't ask questions.
Speaker 3: Oh look, yes, and no. I had an old boss
Speaker 3: of mine, my very first boss, who said this was
Speaker 3: actually quite profound. He said, never blame on malice what
Speaker 3: can be explained with incompetence. Look, that explains a lot
Speaker 3: of government. There is massive waste, there is massive politicization
Speaker 3: and weaponization. If you're spending your own money, you care
Speaker 3: about it, Ben you care about your own money. If
Speaker 3: you're spending someone else's money, you don't care about it.
Speaker 3: And that problem in government is there's a culture of
Speaker 3: endemic waste that is enormously problematic, and you combine that
Speaker 3: with a politicization that there's a it doesn't matter I'm
Speaker 3: spending someone else's money, I don't care, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to spend it to promote transgender witches in some far
Speaker 3: off country. That's what we've seen and that's what Trump
Speaker 3: and Elon are exposing.
Speaker 2: You talk about what all they're exposing Outside the four
Speaker 2: point seven trillion in payments that we can't trace, let's
Speaker 2: talk about illegal immigrants receiving benefits and the media. By
Speaker 2: the way, they're going to defend everything they can, even
Speaker 2: if it's indefensible.
Speaker 3: A great example of that, man, And let me ask
Speaker 3: you this, is there one Democrat you know who has
Speaker 3: criticized one single example of massive waste, abuse and fraud.
Speaker 3: And by the way, by Democrat. I don't mean James Carve.
Speaker 3: We talked about that two days ago. I don't mean
Speaker 3: a consultant. I mean one elected Democrat. I can tell
Speaker 3: you in the US Senate, I don't know of a
Speaker 3: single one, do you.
Speaker 1: No, not a single one.
Speaker 2: And you would think at some point they could, they
Speaker 2: would come out and go, yeah, this is good for Americans,
Speaker 2: it's good for my district. It's good for the taxpayers
Speaker 2: that represent that. We're not going to spend money on X,
Speaker 2: Y or Z. None of these egregious items that we've
Speaker 2: listed on the show, and we've done a really good
Speaker 2: job of keeping people up to date.
Speaker 1: We're where the money's going.
Speaker 2: None of them have been criticized by the Democrats and
Speaker 2: in the media. Again, they are just hell bent on
Speaker 2: saying Donald Trump bad, Elon Musk bad, Doge bad.
Speaker 1: Here's a great example.
Speaker 3: Listen to this exchange with Stephen Miller, because it is
Speaker 3: it is hysterical. By the way, tonight, I saw Steven.
Speaker 3: I was at a party, so Howard Luddick was just
Speaker 3: confirmed as Commerce Secretary. He had a party in his house.
Speaker 3: I saw Stephen this evening and I told him, great job.
Speaker 3: On CNN listen to this exchange, because she really is.
Speaker 3: It's nutty. And I gotta say, CNN has become a
Speaker 3: clown show. It's not even it's not even real journalism.
Speaker 3: It's just silly. But listen to this back and.
Speaker 8: Forth you mentioned yesterday and you mentioned again here, uh,
Speaker 8: illegal immigrants who are getting child tax credits? If are
Speaker 8: you looking for that information in the I R S data?
Speaker 9: Anytime a crime is committed, of course there should be
Speaker 9: an investigation.
Speaker 1: Is it your position that.
Speaker 9: Of somebody who is in the data, the federal government
Speaker 9: will find every illegal alien who is stealing American tax
Speaker 9: pair of dollars? And that's what Americans.
Speaker 8: Find that in the I don't even that. It's a
Speaker 8: simple question, man. And you find that information in the
Speaker 8: IRS data and share.
Speaker 9: That with lawn IRS investigators find illegal aliens stealing tax
Speaker 9: payer money, of course I'll be referred to ICE. Of course,
Speaker 9: It'll be referred to Homeland security investigations.
Speaker 1: Of course it will be.
Speaker 9: Surely, your position is not that we should let illegal
Speaker 9: aliens steal taxpayer dollars. You want to talk about something
Speaker 9: to be upset about, that's it. What do you think
Speaker 9: the millions of illegal aliens who have also stolen social security.
Speaker 9: Illegal aliens in mass have fake social Security numbers, they
Speaker 9: have fake identities.
Speaker 1: Those are felonies.
Speaker 9: Why should there be an entire class in this country
Speaker 9: that is immunized from criminal prosecution and arrest for committing
Speaker 9: felonies felony, theft of taxpayer information, felony, theft of social security, felony,
Speaker 9: theft of identity. These are all crimes. And yes they
Speaker 9: will be investigated, Yes they'll be prosecuted, and yes he
Speaker 9: will be deported. And you know what deportations. Americans will
Speaker 9: get jobs, Americans will Americans will get housing.
Speaker 8: Even if they got a child, if they got a credit,
Speaker 8: a child tax credit, and they will be referred. You're
Speaker 8: saying to Ice for that, and you would expect imported
Speaker 8: for that?
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 8: Is that the position of the administration.
Speaker 9: If it is found that a crime has been committed,
Speaker 9: they be referred. If it is justifies the prosecution, they'll
Speaker 9: be prosecuted. If it justifies a deportation, they will be deported.
Speaker 9: This will be based on existing IRIS protocols and procedures
Speaker 9: for criminal investigation and fraud.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 9: The difference is that no one is given immunity anymore.
Speaker 9: No one is given permission to break the law anymore,
Speaker 9: because this is not a country, this is not a
Speaker 9: sovereign territory. If illegal aliens can freely steal billions with
Speaker 9: a b billions of taxpayer dollars, and I would have
Speaker 9: to imagine that that CNN, which is endlessly talked about
Speaker 9: the importance of democracy and the rule of law, would
Speaker 9: say that no class in this country should be above
Speaker 9: the law, least of all illegal aliens who've trespassed on
Speaker 9: our territory.
Speaker 8: Stephen, I'm just asking. I wanted to get your position
Speaker 8: on some things this. We're not taking a position here.
Speaker 8: We wanted to get some answers to some questions. There
Speaker 8: are so many questions that need to.
Speaker 9: Be able in fact, indifferent or unbiased on these questions.
Speaker 8: But thank you, Stephen Miller, Thank you so much much
Speaker 8: for your time. Really appreciate it. And we'll be right
Speaker 8: by here.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, we don't take positions here, and
Speaker 2: I love I grids. He grins and laughs in her face,
Speaker 2: like are you kidding me? Everybody watching right now knows
Speaker 2: exactly what you're doing, and you're trying to act like
Speaker 2: we're doing something wrong when in fact we're saving taxpayers dollars.
Speaker 3: What Miller is saying is exactly right. The federal government
Speaker 3: should enforce the law. If you have illegal aliens who
Speaker 3: are stealing from the taxpayers, they should be prosecuted. And
Speaker 3: the bizarre position CNN is taking is, well, if the
Speaker 3: IRS knows that you're illegally stealing from the taxpayers, the
Speaker 3: IRS shouldn't tell that to the rest of the federal government.
Speaker 3: You should protect the illegal aliens who are stealing from
Speaker 3: the taxpayers. That's a weird proposition. Why is the IRS
Speaker 3: separate from dj separate from DHS, separate from ICE, separate
Speaker 3: from all of the different federal agencies. And CNN is
Speaker 3: so vested in saying, we want millions of illegal aliens
Speaker 3: here and we want there to be no consequences. So
Speaker 3: their continuing to engage in fraud, to work illegally, to
Speaker 3: draw so security payments, to draw government payments fraudulently, that
Speaker 3: is CNN's position. And I got to say, I'm going
Speaker 3: to credit Steven Miller for calling out CNN for they're
Speaker 3: not engaged in news. They have a position on this.
Speaker 3: They don't want the law enforced, and I gotta say
Speaker 3: I think the American people do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: We're going to keep covering this issue and watch the
Speaker 2: money for you because these are the moments that we
Speaker 2: have to just say, Hey, here's the choice. Do you
Speaker 2: want illegal immigrants having all this money or do you
Speaker 2: want to save this money when they're breaking the law.
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