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Speaker 3: that we're talking about too, I started to realize that

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Speaker 3: not being an expert isn't a liability, it's a real gift.

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Speaker 2: If we don't know something about ourselves at this point

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Speaker 1: If you can die before you die, then you can

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Speaker 3: I thought it was insane. Yeah, and I didn't know

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Speaker 4: Hey, y'all, my name is Kat. I'm a human FIR

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Speaker 4: and a licensed therapist. Second and right now, I'm inviting

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Speaker 4: you into conversations that I hope encourage you to become

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Speaker 4: more curious and less judgmental. About yourself, others, and the

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Speaker 4: world around you. Welcome to You Need Therapy. Hi guys,

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Speaker 4: and welcome to a new episode of You Need Therapy podcast.

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Speaker 4: My name is kat I am the host, and wanted

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Speaker 4: to give a quick reminder before we get into this

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Speaker 4: week's episode that although this podcast is hosted by a therapist,

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Speaker 4: Hope that it can help you at some point in

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Speaker 4: So recently, I have been plagued with a newfound frustration

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Speaker 1: Nobody knew what it was.

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Speaker 4: That's the like the framework from which I approach therapy.

442
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 4: And I'm doing attachment based therapy for all these years.

443
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 4: Nobody knows I'm doing it until maybe one day I

444
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 4: have a conversation do some psycho education with a client.

445
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 4: But now all of a sudden, I get clients that

446
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 4: are coming in saying, I think I'm this attachment. I

447
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: think this person's this attachment. Da da dada da, And

448
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 4: I think it's helpful. I do a lot of education

449
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 4: on this podcast about attachment because I think it's something

450
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 4: that everybody should have access to understand shouldn't gate keep that,

451
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 4: but because now it's something that's more widespread. Anybody is

452
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 4: making a video about attachment, and sometimes I'm like, that

453
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 4: is not true, or like I don't know where they

454
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 4: got that, or that could be true, but it also

455
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: could not be true.

456
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 3: I don't know.

457
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so how do.

458
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: You kind of approach that stuff in the dietitian world

459
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 4: where people are coming in and being like I'm so bloated,

460
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 4: or my hormones feel imbalanced, or I've just been so moody,

461
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 4: or did it I think I need to do this program?

462
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 4: How do you approach that from your professional stance?

463
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Speaker 3: Well, something that came up for me as you were

464
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Speaker 3: sharing about just thinking about the person's nervous system of

465
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 3: like I would rather go to someone who seems so

466
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 3: certain and confident in their interventions in their program, versus

467
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Speaker 3: someone who has that more nuance, like we don't know

468
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: it's nuanced, it's complicated. You know.

469
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Speaker 2: I could imagine, you know, suffering from ronic illness or

470
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 2: chronic pain, or just like not feeling good in general,

471
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: Like oh my gosh, there's a mint suffering there. I

472
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: would probably want to take my chances on the person

473
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: that sounds so certain that the results steel so tangible,

474
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 2: like having hope that this could be resolved asap if

475
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: I go with this confident person. And so yeah, when

476
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Speaker 2: a client steps into my office, especially as an eating

477
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: disorder dietician, I sort of come with the understanding that

478
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: there's probably some dysregulation at play, Like this person's coming

479
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 2: here with suffering, and it makes so much sense that

480
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: they might feel a sense of urgency or some hope

481
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: in this like radical cool program or diagnosis that they

482
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Speaker 2: could pursue.

483
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Speaker 3: And I think part of my job is.

484
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: To model with them and for them a sense of

485
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: groundedness and like taking all of their concerns and their

486
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: fears and their suffering and kind of coming down to

487
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: a point where we can just meet and say, hey,

488
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, looking at this like hierarchy of needs.

489
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Speaker 3: We're up here doing like genetic testing. Let's come down

490
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: here and talk like, Hey, what is sleep like? Hey

491
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 3: what's your community? Like? Are we eating enough? Of course,

492
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: as a dietician, I'm gonna ask about the food and

493
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: not even like are you eating seed oils or not?

494
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a very big one right now,

495
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: But I'm like, hey, are we eating enough because at

496
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: the end of the day, if you're not nourished, yeah

497
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 3: you're gonna have hormonal issues. Yeah you're gonna be inflamed.

498
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: But maybe it's not as the intervention isn't as exciting

499
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Speaker 3: as you know, what you might find online easily accessible.

500
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm so glad you said that that, Like,

501
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: of course it makes sense that somebody is going to

502
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 4: gravitate towards some.

503
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: Of this stuff.

504
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said at the beginning of this, like I

505
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 4: was sitting there being like, do I need this thing?

506
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I don't, I get it.

507
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 4: And I think that's why I have so much compassion

508
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: for this conversation and so much energy around it is

509
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: because if I wasn't in the work that I am doing,

510
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 4: I'd be buying every single program that they're Yeah, of

511
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 4: course it comes from a good place. None of this

512
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: comes from on the consumer side wanting to harm myself

513
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 4: for the most part, right where I would be hard

514
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: pressed to find somebody who's trying to do that. And

515
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 4: it is very interesting what the interventions are so specific

516
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: and like intricate and extreme.

517
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: And kind of inaccessible to like the cost of all

518
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: these different tests and supplements and.

519
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: Well and even you talking about the like cycling with

520
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 4: doing a pilates class at a certain time of your peers,

521
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: like there is truth in all of this. There might

522
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 4: be certain things that feel better on your body and

523
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: through your cycle. Maybe this is what you if I'm

524
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 4: lacking energy, I definitely don't have the energy to do

525
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 4: this program, and so I feel like I'm failing it

526
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: before I even start it.

527
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

528
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 4: What I hear you saying is Okay, all of that

529
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: stuff might not be not helpful. I don't know, But

530
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 4: why are we not looking at the basics before you

531
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Speaker 4: are doing this very intense thing, very expensive thing, very

532
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 4: extreme thing that you might actually not need. You might

533
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 4: just like need some more food. And so it's interesting

534
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 4: that the not that either way is easy. You're navigating

535
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: this more simplistic road, let's look at the basics, and

536
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 4: we're wanting to get real complicated with it. And I

537
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 4: don't know that we have an answer for why that is,

538
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 4: but I just find it very interesting.

539
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: Oh it's so interesting, it really is. And I think

540
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: given our medical model that is inherently like fatphobic and

541
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: like rooted in like so much health ism and like

542
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: pretty black and white in terms of like this is

543
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: a rent food versus a green food or whatever. I

544
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: think a lot of clients maybe are people in general

545
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: who are struggling with this or find themselves pulled to,

546
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: you know, this type of marketing. They've learned from maybe

547
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: other health providers that it isn't the food, Like maybe

548
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: you are.

549
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: Eating so healthy. I've never seen someoney so many salads

550
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: or go vegan for so many years.

551
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: Like everything you're doing with food is right, so something

552
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: else has to be wrong. But like, as eating disorder professionals,

553
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure you and I kind of have a red

554
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: flag of like what do you mean we're like only eating.

555
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: You know, salads or whatever, like eh, And so they.

556
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: Can almost be taught that what they're doing is right,

557
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: so something else has to be so deeply wrong when

558
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: really they just needed someone to like recognize and call

559
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: out like the health ism or the wellness.

560
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: Culture at play.

561
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: I want you to read that post that you put

562
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: up recently that I message you when you put up

563
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: yeah but something, when you said that, you know, I

564
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: actually need to pull these up to I asked people

565
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: on Instagram to send me anything that fell into this category.

566
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: That they've kind of seen or fell into or caused

567
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: them to click the follow button or like do I

568
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 4: have that?

569
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: So I'll get to that in a second.

570
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Speaker 4: But you know how you were talking about how are

571
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: like won the medical model. It doesn't help the rest

572
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 4: of the world in this space where looking a certain

573
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: way is glamorized from a health standpoint, and health is

574
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: even a complicated word. Crystal and I talked about it

575
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 4: two weeks ago on the podcast about like what even

576
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 4: does this word mean?

577
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: And can we even still use it in good faith?

578
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: But I'm just thinking of somebody who might be for

579
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 4: the sake of the word healthy, but they look a

580
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: little bloated at some point in their day or whatever,

581
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: and so we're automatically diagnosing that as there's a problem

582
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: if you feel or look bloated after you eat something

583
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 4: or a certain time of the day or a certain

584
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: time of the month or whatever, we're automatically saying there's

585
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: a problem and we got to fix it, versus like

586
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: maybe that's normal or what even is bloating?

587
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: Do you even know what that is? And that's just

588
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: one example of it.

589
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: But when somebody actually is doing okay and living a

590
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: great life, and whatever we are being I guess going

591
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: back to like fear and sex, like we see, oh,

592
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: there must be something wrong with me because that thing

593
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: or somebody who says or does all the right things.

594
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: And I'm using air quotes. You guys can't see it.

595
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 4: But like on the other side, this person that's like,

596
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: but I'm vegan and I've never touched anything that's ever

597
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: been fried, and I do yoga six times a day.

598
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: Why why am I struggling with this fatigue? I eat

599
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: so much da da d D. It's like, maybe that

600
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: those things are not necessarily all that they're cracked up

601
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: to be. Why are we glamorizing these things? And then

602
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: this other person who actually is maybe living in line

603
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: and take and it's fine, they think that there's something

604
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 4: wrong with them.

605
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: So many of the like recommendations that we hear from,

606
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: like wellness culture, the medical system or whatever, like hey,

607
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: eat low sugar things. So so many of our foods

608
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: have sugar alcohols in them. Well sugar alcohols are notorious for.

609
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: Like ricking havoc on the gut microbiome, which there's so

610
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: much we don't know about the gut microbiome.

611
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna have that huge disclaimer, like if

612
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: anyone says that we know everything about the gut microbiome, no,

613
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: we don't. Like there're like truions of bacteria and there

614
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: we haven't even scratched the surface. We probably know five

615
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: percent of what will be learned down the road about.

616
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: The gut microbiome.

617
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Speaker 2: But all that being said, like, Okay, if we're not eating,

618
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: then our gut microbiome is gonna be diminished in population,

619
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be as strong or as healthy if

620
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: you will. And then if we're gonna throw something like

621
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: sugar alcohols on it because we're told, you know, eat

622
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: less and avoid sugar at all costs, you will feel

623
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: not great.

624
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: And it's not because you're doing anything wrong. You're following

625
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: what is like common knowledge. And I'm using air quotes too,

626
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: but like those things wreck havoc on our bodies, and

627
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's so backwards. It's like, Okay, are we

628
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: like making recommends that are creating problems that then in

629
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: turn we can like fix on the back end by

630
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: maybe even making more recommendations that we'll cut these foods out,

631
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: which is going to hurt the variety or the diversity

632
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: of our gut microbiome causing even more blowning in the future.

633
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: And so you know that's just one example, but it

634
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: gets so so vicious fast.

635
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So will you read that post?

636
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Speaker 4: Because I went on this like Instagram brand if any

637
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 4: of you guys remember it a couple of weeks ago,

638
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: about some of this stuff, and then I saw you

639
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 4: post this and I was like, oh, this is what

640
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: I'm talking about. So I want you to read what

641
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 4: you wrote. I think I reposted it. I'm pretty sure

642
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: I did so. You might have already heard it, but

643
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: it doesn't hurt to hear it again. So we read

644
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: that for us. So I want you to read what

645
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 4: you wrote. I think I reposted it. I'm pretty sure

646
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: I did so. You might have already heard it, but

647
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: it doesn't hurt to hear it again, so.

648
00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: We read that.

649
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: Yes, okay.

650
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: Is it a hormonal imbalance or is the result of

651
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: an active eating disorder? Is it a food intolerance or

652
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: is it a symptom of restriction? Is it chronic fatigue

653
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: with a unique root cause or is it a symptom

654
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: of an eating disorder. Is it blood glue coat management

655
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: or is it full blown orthorexia? Many symptoms we search

656
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: for a root cause for are often symptoms of a

657
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: minimize and rationalized, full blown eating disorder. Your experience with

658
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: these symptoms are real and valid and of course deserve

659
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: care and acknowledging the role that a rigid, perfectionistic, health

660
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: obsessed eating disorder has had in your health journey is

661
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: just as real, valid and deserving of care. No amount

662
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: of testing, supplements or alternative medicine is going to heal

663
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: your body if there's an active eating disorder. Often eating

664
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: disorders are ignored because it would also simultaneously challenge and

665
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: or threaten the other treatment protocol.

666
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 4: Okay, so not everybody that is listening to this is

667
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: going to probably identify with the.

668
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: I was looking for this, but it was an eating disorder.

669
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 4: But I find that posted to be so important because

670
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 4: kind of like we were talking about in the beginning.

671
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: It's not always people's fault.

672
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: Our system and our society, our world is not set

673
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 4: up to be paying attention to this stuff as even helpers.

674
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: And that's all to say that there's some things.

675
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 4: That I don't know about in the therapy world that

676
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: I'm not maybe not thinking of too. And that's why

677
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: it's important to name our limitedness.

678
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: But there are so.

679
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 4: Many things that we are over complicating and ignoring the

680
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 4: actual sometimes not on purpose.

681
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: Issue is so easy the.

682
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 4: Way our systems are set up right now, And it

683
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 4: was like a carousel.

684
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called?

685
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: You can slide them, Okay, So they are all different

686
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: like pages, and I was like, oh my gosh, this,

687
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this, oh my gosh, this we are

688
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 4: I feel like so not wanting as a society to

689
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 4: acknowledge it, any of that stuff. And I just wonder,

690
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: and I think the answer can be different for so

691
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: many people. Why we don't want to go there, Like

692
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: why we don't want to like, let's check all these

693
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 4: boxes first before we go to this box. Let's make

694
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 4: sure you're getting proper nutrition and you are eating enough.

695
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 4: And I mean you're talking about like our sleep all

696
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 4: let's go there before we diagnose you with this very obscure,

697
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: rare whatever that actually isn't going to give you relief either.

698
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is right now?

699
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: Oh man? I mean I don't think.

700
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: Like hoping someone get eight hours of sleep a night

701
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: consistently is super super profitable. I mean, one of the

702
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: interventions would be like get off your phone thirty minutes

703
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: before bed, But thirty minutes of scrolling is valuable.

704
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: Right.

705
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 4: That's such a good point because we are really even

706
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: I'm like smiling as I say this.

707
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: It's not funny.

708
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: I will buy whatever freaking product there is. I will

709
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 4: take whatever supplement, I'll do whatever crazy thing. I'll pay

710
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 4: that person to take their course. But I can't not

711
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 4: scroll on my phone for thirty minutes before bed.

712
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: That's two. I can't.

713
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: And it might not be that simple, but like the principle,

714
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 3: right know, like I cannot even identify with like, oh,

715
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: I just don't want to even have to, like, you know,

716
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 3: put in the work or do something that would feel

717
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: uncomfortable temporarily let me just like cash out like grocery kickup,

718
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 3: you know, or whatever, because I'm like, I don't want

719
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: to do it, you know.

720
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I think also it part of it, it's

721
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 4: the like, yeah, I don't want to do that. I

722
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 4: don't want to give up this thing that I like.

723
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: But the other part is it's hard for us to

724
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 4: believe that that's gonna make a difference. Yeah, because what

725
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: you said in the beginning of like, well they're coming

726
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 4: at this with this like I'm going to save your

727
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: life with this sup supplement. I when I ask people

728
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: to send me stuff that like they've kind of like

729
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 4: been duped on, I got a lot of the same stuff,

730
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: which was interesting. So many people say me, this product

731
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: with I had never seen, which I'm surprised by called colon, broom.

732
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: Have you heard of it?

733
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 4: No colon and then broom. So this is not an

734
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: ad for it, so I hope that nobody takes it

735
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: that way. It's like this very very expensive supplement that

736
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 4: basically it promises like weight loss. I mean one of

737
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: the ads is like say goodbye to period cramps.

738
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: And I looked at it. I like went to the website.

739
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: I had to like fill out this like test and

740
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 4: take this test before it would like enter me into

741
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 4: the website. So I like did this test, asked for

742
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 4: like my weight, my age, like different whatever, and then

743
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 4: gave me like a recommendation like a how much what

744
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 4: product I should take? How much I should take whatever,

745
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 4: blah blah blah.

746
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: One the product was.

747
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: Freaking expensive, like I can't I don't remember how much,

748
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: but it was so expensive and it did that like

749
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: urgency thing where it was like if you buy it

750
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: right now, you'll get it for sixty dollars instead of

751
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty. And so I'm like, well, I

752
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: guess I should buy it now. But I looked at the.

753
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to know the ingredients of it, like what

754
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: is this? I still didn't know what it was.

755
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: What did you find?

756
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: So it took me like at least ten minutes to

757
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 4: even figure out what this product was. I didn't understand

758
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: what it was going to do or anything. Finally, I

759
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 4: like got to a page and like clicked on something,

760
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: scrolled down and looked at the ingredients and it's just fiber.

761
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: It's met a muciul That's what it is.

762
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay.

763
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 4: So I'm like texting I'm looking it up, and as

764
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: I'm doing it, Crystal, which is on a lot of

765
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 4: the people, I'm mentioning her casually, but because she's been

766
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: on here multile times since Caroline knows her. But I'm

767
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 4: texting Crystal, who works in my office and she's a dietician.

768
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, have you heard of Colon Broom?

769
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 4: And she's like yeah, And I'm like I can't believe

770
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 4: this and she's like, yeah, it's just a really expensive

771
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: fiber and it has like nice packaging. Yes, And these

772
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 4: people are I mean spending so much money on something

773
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: that won they probably don't need YEA two, it's not

774
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: going to solve your period cramps. But also like it's

775
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 4: another one of those things that they're like diagnosing an

776
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: issue in me of like, oh, I didn't know that

777
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: I needed to get rid of them.

778
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: I guess they are kind of bad.

779
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: Maybe this product will help me and it's literally just

780
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: gonna make I mean help me poop or something. But

781
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: do I need to spend one hundred.

782
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: Fifty dollars on it?

783
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

784
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 4: I wish I remembered all the questions that I asked,

785
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 4: But it was like, if you take our product for

786
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 4: this long, by mid February, you'll be at this weight.

787
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: And like gave me like literally I could change nothing.

788
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 4: I would just take this product and I would just

789
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: like magically be I don't know, ten fifteen it was

790
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: something crazy pounds lighter.

791
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: One.

792
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 4: I didn't know I needed to lose weight. Two am

793
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: I just like pooping out a bunch of like weight

794
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 4: that's sitting in my body is there's fifteen pounds of poop.

795
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 4: I just like it was so interesting to me. And

796
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 4: I know if I was twenty two years old, I

797
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: would sign up for from membership of that, like I

798
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 4: would be getting that every month.

799
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I would be like, this is what's wrong, Like

800
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: this is why I haven't been able to lose x

801
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: y Z weight that I want to in an active

802
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: eating disorder. Right, this is versus like, no, you don't

803
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 3: have weight to lose, You're at a biologically appropriate weight.

804
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: It's just fiber. It can't do those things anyway.

805
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, And then I was I went down a

806
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 4: rabbit hole of this product. But I was like looking

807
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 4: at their different ads and it was like these people

808
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: who like their lives were dramatically changed, like everything about

809
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: them was changed, and I'm like, damn, I didn't know

810
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 4: that Meta Musil could be changing my life this much.

811
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: Also, I didn't know I was so on.

812
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 4: It's like one of those things that I didn't know

813
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 4: I was so unhappy until I saw this ad.

814
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: And then you have to like snap out of it and.

815
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 4: Be like, wait, I'm okay, yeah, and I actually don't

816
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 4: need this product at all. That's kind of what I'm

817
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 4: getting to added extreme that's not an influencer, but you

818
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 4: better believe there's a million people well that our influencers

819
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: that are getting paid to push that product.

820
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, which is like gets into like a whole

821
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: ethical thing of we are asking these people who have

822
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: social status in a sense to advertise this product for us,

823
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: whether or not this product is even delivering on what

824
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: it says it does, or is a good product, or

825
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: is safe to take, or my marketing claims are appropriate

826
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: in terms of like I mean, that's awful that they

827
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: would say to you, like you could lose this.

828
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: Much weight by this time, Like oh my gosh, I

829
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: think of any of my clients in an active eating disorder, like.

830
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like harmful, Like that's not bad, Like that's harmful.

831
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: And what happens when that doesn't happen, Because that's probably

832
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 4: not gonna happen. And what happens if it doesn't happen?

833
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 4: I blame myself. I did it wrong.

834
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh it's bad.

835
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 4: I'm having like a light bulb moment in this conversation.

836
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 4: I think that sometimes frustrates me with like going back

837
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 4: to just the like basic influencer becomes coach whatever is

838
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: you do their thing, you do their program and whatever,

839
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 4: and it doesn't solve your problem. And it's not because

840
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 4: their program is flawed or maybe that their program isn't

841
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: for you. It's because either I didn't do it correctly,

842
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: I didn't try hard enough, or I'm so far gone

843
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 4: that even this person who knows how to help me

844
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 4: can't help me.

845
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, And our brain is prime to I mean,

846
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: you're the therapist, so please correct me if I'm wrong,

847
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: But I would say our brain is prime to like

848
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: collect confirming evidence rather than our brain is prime to

849
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: like collect evidence that is naturally disconfirming. And so again,

850
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 3: when we're going on social media, if what their marketing

851
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: is fear in their.

852
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: Messaging, it's like, hey, you need this for a better

853
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: happy life, just like you're saying. If my core belief

854
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: is I'm unhappy or things don't work for me, but

855
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: this maybe could it just like grows that core belief

856
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: of I'm not good or you know, I'm shameful or whatever.

857
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 3: It might be. And again, like the risks of what

858
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: we just take in so casually on social media when

859
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: it comes to our health or different programs we could

860
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: or could not be doing to alleviate or suffering. It's

861
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: risky business. And there's no informed consent for like any

862
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: of this. But there's no informed consent where there is

863
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 3: bird die picians and therapists, and you can only inform

864
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: to a certain degree, but it's way more out in

865
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 3: the open.

866
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, And for people that don't know what that means,

867
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 4: when you say there's no informed consent, what do you

868
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 4: mean by that? Because that I've never even thought about that.

869
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: So I guess when someone like starts working with you

870
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: or me, they have to sign this form that says

871
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: informed consent where basically we share like what they could

872
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: expect in working with you know, a psychotherapist or registered dietitian, like, hey,

873
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: things might feel really hard as we challenge some of

874
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 2: these or hey we might kind of poke and you know,

875
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: explore some of these really challenging things might get worse

876
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: before it's better, you know, just different risks that could

877
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: be assumed in moving forward with this process.

878
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 3: And one I don't know.

879
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: I've had an Instagram account since it was open, so

880
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have a new informed consent

881
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: thing you have to do when you make a new account.

882
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: But like when we go on social media, we are

883
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: guinea pigs for social media, Like we don't know the

884
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: full extent. Even though we're learning more and more about

885
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: what it does to our brain, let alone marketing health

886
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: interventions on social media, we have no idea how that

887
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: fully affects our nervous systems, our health.

888
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: And yeah, we just don't know the risks that we're assuming,

889
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, that's dangerous and it's not ethical.

890
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: That's a whole other layer. I literally never thought about that.

891
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: Where as a helping professional, and anybody who's listened to

892
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: this podcast for a while also knows that I have

893
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 4: gone on this like of what is ethical for me

894
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 4: to be able to talk about on here, what's ethical

895
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 4: for me to be able to show up on social

896
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 4: media with Like, I have this very weird relationship with

897
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 4: social media and my profession because many things some that

898
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: you're talking about, And one of the reasons I have

899
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 4: this podcast is to make some of the information that

900
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 4: I think sometimes is limited to people that can afford

901
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 4: therapy more available for I just don't think there's things

902
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: that we should have to keep, like the attachment stuff. Also,

903
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: there are certain things about attachment theory I don't feel

904
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 4: comfortable talking about on this open forum that then you

905
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 4: can take and interpret without being to have a conversation

906
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 4: with me about making sure you're hearing me correctly or

907
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 4: clarifying anything. And that's why I mean, I was even

908
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: telling Caroline before we started, like I'm super anxious talking

909
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 4: about this stuff because you guys don't have the ability

910
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: to say, wait, I want to make sure IM understand.

911
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 4: I don't have the ability to see you where you are.

912
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 4: I'm sure you have certain clients, depending on where they

913
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 4: are on their journey, there might be something that you

914
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 4: share with them or you don't. And you can have

915
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 4: two clients that you shared this information with this person,

916
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 4: but it is not appropriate yet to go down that

917
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 4: path with that person because they're too vulnerable, fragile, et cetera.

918
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: And I don't have that.

919
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: We can't do that on here, and so I can't say, like,

920
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 4: you guys can listen to this, but you can't. I

921
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: can put a disclaimer, but people are going to do

922
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 4: whatever they want. And I feel like I'm bound by

923
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 4: my license, Like there are certain things that I literally

924
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 4: can't do my career.

925
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 3: Gone.

926
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Yes, it's the accountability.

927
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: I have that accountability, and like sometimes it's annoying, Like

928
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: sometimes it really is annoying However, eventually I start to understand, Oh,

929
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 4: I see why that would not be appropriate, because that

930
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 4: would be very harmful. And yes, yes, boundaries are so annoying,

931
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 4: and also they are very helpful, yes, and life saving

932
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 4: at times. And I'm not saying that everybody who doesn't

933
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: have a licensing board is going to be unethical to

934
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 4: some degree, but we have to remember that there are

935
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 4: people out here that can say whatever they want and

936
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. Therefore, they also might not know how

937
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 4: important something like as simple as informed consent is. And

938
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 4: so that's where I come from. I don't want to

939
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: like come at all these people and coaches that are

940
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 4: out there, because there are people that I think can

941
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: be very helpful. I don't want to like come at

942
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 4: them and be like, you guys are evil. Sometimes it's

943
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: just like you don't know what you don't know.

944
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: Of course, Yeah, And is.

945
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: The harm that could be done by the content that

946
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 4: you're producing worth the money that you're.

947
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: Making off of it?

948
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: Is that vibe TikTok or viral instagram post? I really

949
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 4: struggle with this where the stuff that tends to go

950
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 4: viral is that really sexy, extreme black and white? If

951
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: you feel da da da da da, then you are

952
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 4: da da da da da And yeah, I'm sure that

953
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: helps their business. Heck yeah, And is that appropriate? Like

954
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: is it worth it? And I've struggled that for a

955
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: while where I want even like with a podcast Instagram

956
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 4: disclaimer for those of you guys that don't know, I

957
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: don't actually make all the posts because I'm not that

958
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 4: savvy with social media in general. However, one of the

959
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 4: conversations I had with the person who does it, which

960
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 4: she is a therapist, so she has that brain, is

961
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: I want to market this podcast because I want people

962
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 4: to be able to get this content, but I don't

963
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: want to do it at the expense of our integrity

964
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 4: and people's safety. And so sometime the stuff that's going

965
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: to probably get the most attention is stuff we're going

966
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: to have to say no to and that sucks. And

967
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 4: it comes back to like, what's the goal. Is the

968
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: goal to help people or is the goal to have

969
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 4: the biggest following? And maybe that's not what some of

970
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 4: these people are are asking that are have these huge followings, right, thousands,

971
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 4: if not hundreds of thousands of followers. Is your goal

972
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 4: to help people or is it to get the biggest

973
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: following or make the most money. And it sucks to

974
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 4: have to answer that question honestly sometimes because yeah, you

975
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 4: might be leaving something on the table, and.

976
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 2: If what you're selling is like perhaps like your own

977
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 2: disordered eating too, Like we have to keep in mind

978
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: eating disorders or egos and tonic. So like in my

979
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: eating disorder, hypothetically, if I were like this online coat,

980
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: I would have dud on the hill that.

981
00:50:58,719 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: I was helping people.

982
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: I oh, yeah, convinced, right, and like I have compassion

983
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: for that. But it's also like you can't see it right,

984
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: like you were saying, you don't.

985
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: Know what you don't you don't know, you know.

986
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 4: I used to be really embarrassed of this, but now

987
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, people need to know this. And also it's

988
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 4: part of my story that when I went to grad school,

989
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 4: my eating disorder was at its worst my senior year

990
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 4: of college, and I had already planned to become a therapist.

991
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 4: And I got like pissed that I had gotten this

992
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: degree in Child and Family studies because I decided that

993
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: I wanted to be a dietitian.

994
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: Which I'm sure that this is more common than not.

995
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so what I decided when I went to

996
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 4: grad school, was like, Okay, I can solve this.

997
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm already going to grad school. I already have this degree.

998
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: Da da da da da. I can't go back and

999
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: get another undergrad whatever.

1000
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 4: But what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna work in

1001
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 4: eating disorders and I'm gonna help people with binge eating

1002
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 4: disorder lose weight.

1003
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: That was my thought process.

1004
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 4: But the caveat there is that was the thought process

1005
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: of somebody with a sick brain, like I was not well.

1006
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 4: And again when you said I would have died on

1007
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: the hill that I'm helping people, the amount of chaos

1008
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 4: I caused in my family thinking that I was like

1009
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 4: being helpful, but I was actually hurting people.

1010
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: It's insane.

1011
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 4: And I even my first year of grad school got

1012
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 4: a health coaching certification. And it was during that certification

1013
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 4: I was getting that and I was also in therapy

1014
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 4: at the same time.

1015
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: I realized, wait a second, I could get this certification

1016
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: with my eyes closed. I got it.

1017
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 4: I didn't watch one lecture, I didn't do any assignment.

1018
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: I got on the calls and I muted them. And

1019
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 4: I have the certification. Basically, what I am certified in

1020
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 4: is how to give people my eating disorder.

1021
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 3: Oh h wow.

1022
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 4: And the good news is social media wasn't what it

1023
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 4: was back then, so I had I deleted it years ago,

1024
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 4: but I had an Instagram account and it would be

1025
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 4: I wish I didn't delete it because it would be

1026
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 4: such a good like.

1027
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: Research tool, research tool.

1028
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it's that what you're saying is, yeah,

1029
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 4: we have to be careful because I really thought I

1030
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 4: was going to help people. And that's why I think

1031
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 4: why I have the compassion is I thought that I

1032
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 4: was going to help people feel happy and healthy and

1033
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 4: this and X y Z yeah, not realizing that I

1034
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 4: was actually miserable, Yeah, and really just wanted somebody to

1035
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: like co miserate in this with me and wanted to

1036
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 4: not be alone. And so I share that not to

1037
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 4: like give all my personal history to everybody, but to

1038
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 4: let you guys know that this is actually something that

1039
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 4: happens more often than not.

1040
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I.

1041
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: Think a lot of people that listen to this trust me. Yeah.

1042
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: Well you would have trusted me ten years ago too, And.

1043
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 4: That's why I don't want anybody to hear this thinking

1044
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 4: that I'm like wanting to put these people in jail.

1045
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: It's like, I just want us to open our eyes

1046
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1047
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, have like some discerned, like lean on our own

1048
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 3: intuition of like this aniot and like does any of

1049
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: this sound fishy or weird or too good to be true?

1050
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 3: And like why does my brain like that so much?

1051
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: Why do I feel so excited or hopeful about it too?

1052
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: You know?

1053
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1054
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Well I could keep going about talking about

1055
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 4: this forever. Maybe it needs to be like a whole series. Okay,

1056
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 4: So from your perspective, because I was kind of talking

1057
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 4: about how earlier I have to really, you know, be

1058
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 4: careful about how I market myself as a human, as

1059
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 4: a therapist, how I market this podcast, because we too

1060
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 4: can fall into that trap of you know, fear and sex.

1061
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah.

1062
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 4: And one of the things that I think that I'm

1063
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 4: seeing a lot is the like fear mongering that people

1064
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 4: do fall into the traps of. And so how do

1065
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 4: you see yourself differentiating because it is just life, like,

1066
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 4: we have to mark ourselves if we want to be

1067
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 4: able to help people. People have to know that you're

1068
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 4: available and who we are, right, and so how do

1069
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 4: you see the way that you're doing that different than

1070
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 4: some of the things that we've been talking about.

1071
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'd be interested to see what your thoughts

1072
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: on this are too. But I feel like.

1073
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to sell people when I'm marketing is

1074
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: an opportunity to work with me in my unique skill set,

1075
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: because I pull from all of these different therapeutic modalities

1076
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: and I pull from my different experiences, and I really

1077
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: try to meet the client where they're at. Like, thinking

1078
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: about every single one of my clients past and present,

1079
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: all of their stories are different in each of their

1080
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 2: recoveries looks different, and so my skill set, I really

1081
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: aim for what I provide them in session or in

1082
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: a masterclass or whatever it might be, to guide them

1083
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: back to them and their unique values and their own

1084
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: agency and autonomy rather than steering them toward becoming dependent

1085
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: on a supplement I'm selling or to like build this

1086
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: cult following for my sake. You know, it sucks to

1087
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 2: see people suffer, and you know, our job is so

1088
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: rewarding and beautiful, right, like forming those relationships and seeing

1089
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: clients like just like live.

1090
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: Their life to the fullest.

1091
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 2: And so yeah, like our job is rewarding and it's hard,

1092
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: and I do it really to help others like find

1093
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: joy in their own life versus my own profit, over

1094
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Speaker 2: and over and over again, Like I'm not selling.

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Speaker 3: Them my product's my philosophy necessarily.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that I feel super similar where and

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Speaker 4: I kind I feel like I might have said a

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Speaker 4: little bit of this earlier. But there's there's certain things

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Speaker 4: that I will do with a lot of my clients,

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Speaker 4: whether it's activities that I do, or there's certain things

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Speaker 4: that I teach them. Sure that I think generally a

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Speaker 4: lot to not everybody, but a lot of people get.

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Speaker 4: But there is not one system I use. You're not

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Speaker 4: coming into a program that I've developed that we cannot

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Speaker 4: kind of move a steer away from or shift or change.

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Speaker 4: And I can speak to the therapy part more, but

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Speaker 4: when you're coming into therapy, most of the time, you're

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Speaker 4: in a very vulnerable space. You're not usually coming to

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00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 4: therapy because like everything's awesome. You're coming to therapy because

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Speaker 4: everything's not awesome and you don't know what to do

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Speaker 4: about it, and you want somebody to a lot of

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Speaker 4: times you want somebody to fix something.

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Speaker 1: But the goal of what I do a lot of

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Speaker 1: times is not to fix anything.

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Speaker 4: For somebody, it's to help them figure out what they need.

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Speaker 4: And I mean it's kind of like a long standing

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Speaker 4: joke in therapy is that, like, yeah, we are constantly

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Speaker 4: like working ourselves out of a job. I don't want

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Speaker 4: clients to continue to have to need to come to me.

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Speaker 4: I don't want them to need me to answer things

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Speaker 4: for them. I want to help empower them.

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Speaker 1: And this was also.

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Speaker 4: Rilled into us in school, like the word empowerment. It's

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Speaker 4: like I never heard it before, and then like all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden, I'm like, Okay, do I need to

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Speaker 4: get this tattooed like on every limb of my body?

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Speaker 1: And I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I guess I didn't realize until I was doing the work, like,

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Speaker 4: oh my god. Why this is so important is because

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Speaker 4: it one, it helps us stay in the ethics of

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Speaker 4: what we do. But that is what our job is,

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Speaker 4: to help people become more autonomous, not to help people

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Speaker 4: become dependent, and also recognize that not everybody's going to

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Speaker 4: do that in the same way. And I can't know

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Speaker 4: what somebody needs until they kind of figure it out

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Speaker 4: alongside me. And you know, we'll do intake sessions and

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Speaker 4: we'll get information and we'll pool some stuff. But even

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Speaker 4: just having somebody's history and some of their like I

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00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 4: don't know, information is not enough for me to diagnose

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Speaker 4: somebody with anything or give them a full on treatment

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00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 4: plan that does not change that could be a whole

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Speaker 4: episode itself. Is that I guess we're we're marketing an

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Speaker 4: opportunity what you say. What you said was, I'm I'm

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Speaker 4: marketing an opportunity to work with me to help somebody

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Speaker 4: else figure out what it is they specifically need, versus

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Speaker 4: I'm marketing a opportunity to work with me so they

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Speaker 4: can have my specific plan or product again the products

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Speaker 4: or whatever. I also, I guess I feel very strongly

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Speaker 4: that like, I'm not the only therapist that can help everybody,

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Speaker 4: and I can help somebody also, like if I'm not

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Speaker 4: their therapists, they probably can find a different one. And

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Speaker 4: I say this not in like a fake humble kind

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Speaker 4: of way. I say this in the like or like

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Speaker 4: what is me? I say this in that like, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think I'm good at what I do, But I

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Speaker 4: don't think that that means that you can't get just

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Speaker 4: as good of an experience with another therapist.

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Speaker 1: And I'm also not going to fit with everybody.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Yeah, your skill thut is so unique to

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Speaker 2: you as you know, the kind of therapy you do

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Speaker 2: versus another therapist, and you know, similar to me, we

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Speaker 2: all have different relational styles or jokes we tell in.

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Speaker 3: Session, or even what the room looks like. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just all so unique. Yeah, the person maybe wants

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Speaker 3: or feels most comfortable with, and that's fine, but it's good.

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Speaker 4: I think that that probably helps us stay in this

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Speaker 4: space of the extreme marketing where because I really don't

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Speaker 4: believe I really don't believe that like I have the

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Speaker 4: solution to everybody's issues.

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Speaker 1: I work specifically with eating disorders.

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Speaker 4: I don't have a solution to everybody's eating disorder, right,

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Speaker 4: I don't have that. I can help some people recover

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Speaker 4: from it, but it doesn't mean that like I'm going

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Speaker 4: to be able to, like without fail, help every single

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Speaker 4: person that comes into my office do this thing that

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Speaker 4: they want to do. But I think that that belief

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Speaker 4: system that I think maybe comes from the reality of

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Speaker 4: how we were trained, is very helpful without us even

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Speaker 4: knowing it. So we could sit here forever and continue

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Speaker 4: to talk about this and what I really hope a

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Speaker 4: lot of you guys got out of this conversation is

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Speaker 4: even going back to what we were just saying, is

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Speaker 4: an opportunity to feel more empowered about your ability to

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Speaker 4: make choices and differentiate between what it is that I

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Speaker 4: may be struggling with and what actually is not a

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Speaker 4: thing for me, and to give you some more context

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Speaker 4: of what we might be needing to pay attention to

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Speaker 4: when we're getting sucked into that marketing trap that I

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Speaker 4: see out there. And then on the other side of things,

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Speaker 4: on the I want to call them influencers because I

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Speaker 4: don't know what else to call them.

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Speaker 1: But like coaches, I don't know all of those people.

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Speaker 4: If you're listening to this and not everybody that is

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Speaker 4: a coach or an influencer is going to fall into

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Speaker 4: this category, I hope that that is very clear. But

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Speaker 4: if you're listening to this and you feel like a

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Speaker 4: tinge of like, ooh do I do that? I hope

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Speaker 4: that you can hear this conversation with compassion for yourself too,

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Speaker 4: knowing that, like I, I also might have been doing

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Speaker 4: the same thing if social media was what it was

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Speaker 4: at a certain period of my life, yea, and acknowledging

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Speaker 4: that is only going to probably make you better at

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Speaker 4: what you do and help you probably help more people.

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Speaker 2: I think you did such a beautiful job of just

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Speaker 2: like dripping compassion through this conversation. That is is hard

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Speaker 2: and it's tricky. We're talking about people's livelihood, people's help,

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Speaker 2: people's relationship with food, with themselves, with social media. Like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it's so complex. So I just appreciate

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Speaker 2: your willingness to go there today with me. I really

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Speaker 2: enjoyed this conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad that I had you to hear to

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Speaker 4: give your side of things. And I want anybody who's

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Speaker 4: listening if you are like, oh, Caroline made a lot

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Speaker 4: of sense.

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Speaker 1: I want to work with her. I want to learn

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Speaker 1: more from her.

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Speaker 4: I want to see how she is showing up on

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Speaker 4: social media maybe to give a little bit of it

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Speaker 4: could be helpful to follow your account, just to see

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Speaker 4: an example of kind of what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So where can people find you on the internet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can find me at mintoeat dot com or

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Speaker 2: at ment to eat on Insteadgram.

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Speaker 4: Okay, awesome, and I'll put that stuff in the show notes.

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Speaker 4: If you are wanting to work with Caroline specifically, there

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Speaker 4: are places that she can work with you and there

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Speaker 4: are places that she cannot, So if that is something

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Speaker 4: that you're interested in as well, she's a little different

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Speaker 4: where like my license, I can only see you if

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Speaker 4: you're in Tennessee, so it's pretty easy. If you are

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Speaker 4: curious about that, then go to her website and you

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01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 4: can contact her through there and see if that's an option,

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Speaker 4: and hopefully I'll have you back again to do some

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Speaker 4: kind of Part two.

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Speaker 3: Would luck too.

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Speaker 4: You can follow me on Instagram at Kat dot defada

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Speaker 4: at You Need Therapy podcast, and you can follow my

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Speaker 4: practice at three Quarts Therapy. If you have any questions, feedback, anything.

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01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 4: If there's some stuff that popped up for you during

1241
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 4: this episode, whether it's stories, examples, or like clarifications or

1242
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 4: question send them to Katherine at Unique Therapy podcast dot com.

1243
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 4: And if you have a question that you would like

1244
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Speaker 4: Caroline's feedback on, you can still send it there and

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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 4: we can have her back for a mini episode for

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Speaker 4: a Couch Talks episode one day in the future. That

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Speaker 4: is going to do it for me. For now, I

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Speaker 4: will be back with you guys on Wednesday. Until then,

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Speaker 4: I hope you have the day you need to have