1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Zach Wheeler. Welcome to Philly Show. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todds A lucky It's the 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: Phillies Show. Phillies spring training is over. They are back 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. Opening day is Thursday afternoon against the Rangers 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: at Citizens Bank Bark And today in this episode, Phillies 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: pitching coach Caleb Cotham. You will absolutely learn a lot 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: about the Phillies pitchers about pitching. Great conversation here. It 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: is Caleb Cotham. 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: Caleb, thanks for coming on The Philly Show again. Returning guests. 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 3: We appreciate it. We know how crazy busy you are. 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: Let's just start with we're recording this Friday afternoon. There's 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: three more great for league games ago. Just your general 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: thoughts on what you've seen from this Phillies pitching staff 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: this spring and just generally speaking, guest, kind of what 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: has you excited because spring is a time for unending 16 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 3: optimism and excitement about what the season could bring. 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's fun like spring training is 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 4: fun because you get a lot more kind of in 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 4: the weeds working with guys. So I think the guys 20 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: that are on the team I think have gotten a 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 4: little better, which you know, we're fortunate to have like 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 4: a handful of pitchers where getting a betters, it's pretty 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: tough at times to find kind of those stretch points. 24 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 4: So you know, god Zeus has gotten, has change up 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 4: a little bit better, his sinkers a little bit better. 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: He's understanding his game even better, you. 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 4: Know, navigating the World Baseball class with Noelan Sanchy, but 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 4: just their their pros. 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: That was good. But then you know, like today was 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: really cool. 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 4: I've been working on a lot of things with bowling 32 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 4: and getting to know him, and that was probably his 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 4: best outing. 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: He's up to ninety nine, which was really cool to see. 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think generally, you know, found a couple of 36 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: things here and there, and a lot of the younger 37 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 4: guys gotten a full dose of kind of who we 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: are and what we do. And it's just been fun 39 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 4: to work with a group of new guys, but also 40 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 4: the guys that are returning. There's a lot of time 41 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 4: in there, so you can kind of go on things 42 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: pretty fast. 43 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 5: So Chris Sanchez has been named opening day starter. I mean, 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 5: I remember when you guys got him, it was a 45 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 5: minor league trade. Essentially, I think there was a roster 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 5: situation in Tampa Bay and his development has been amazing. 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 5: How much personal satisfaction do you and your staff take 48 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 5: out of that watching this guy become one of the 49 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 5: best in the business if you know him and Schoogle 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 5: out there pitching to the two best left handers in 51 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 5: the business according to a lot of war metrics and whatnot. 52 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 5: Just to see him grow and not only that, what's 53 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 5: the next piece of growth for him? 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good example of like it. 55 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 4: It's tough, like when he's been so on for a 56 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 4: while Nowaday, you know, it's do he add another pitch? 57 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: Do so? 58 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 4: For him, it's just can we get to get to 59 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: the spots that he wants to get to as consistent 60 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 4: as we can. But you know, rewinding all the way 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 4: back to the first time I ever saw him in 62 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, knew it was a great arm. It 63 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 4: was a good competitor, very projectable body. He's like that 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 4: guy that was having a lot of There's a lot 65 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 4: of joy about his his work. You could tell how 66 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 4: he interacted with his teammates, But the skill of throwing 67 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: the ball and the strike zone wasn't quite there, so 68 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: you know, it takes time for guys, and he is 69 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: a he's a bigger dude lot, there's a lot going on. 70 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 4: He's if you watch video from you know, twenty twenty one, 71 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 4: twenty two is sands. She compared it now even if 72 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 4: you go to twenty three twenty four, like how much 73 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 4: tighter his delivery's gotten, how much more consistent his delivery 74 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 4: has gotten. He knows where his his hand and his 75 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: feet and his hips, all his piece of his delivery 76 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 4: are in space. 77 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: And I think once. 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 4: He he it's cool to see a guy that worked 79 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: as hard as he did at it for it to click. 80 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: I think it's you know, it's a sum of all parts. 81 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 4: Like obviously Chris is the is the biggest part of that, 82 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 4: but you know the training staff and Morgan with you know, 83 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 4: the all the strength conditioning pieces, the nutrition, the physicality. 84 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: You know, I'm fortunate to have a lot of really. 85 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: Good people around that that helped me accomplish things that 86 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: we want to do on the pitching side. So you know, 87 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 4: Chris did the work, and but once he started smelling it, 88 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 4: you know into. 89 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: Twenty four middle twenty four of. 90 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: Like how we're like, how good do you want to 91 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 4: be and how good can you be? And he's just 92 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: taking it and run with it. Like it's like a 93 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 4: game like today against Scooble. It's his first game back. 94 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 4: He's done a lot of travel families here, it's just 95 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 4: ho hum, and he just goes to work and blitzes 96 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: the strike zone, you know, and it's like today would 97 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: be kind of you know, how how consistent can he 98 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 4: get when he goes to that two strike slider to write, 99 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 4: he's in, It's balanced, it's not hung. 100 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: And that's why we do spring training. 101 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's it's an incredible journey for him 102 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: and he's earned it every step. 103 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Of the way. 104 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 6: You mentioned the word joy. 105 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 5: I think that's awesome because when I see him pitch, 106 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 5: I see a guy that's having sort of. 107 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 6: The time of his life and he's really enjoying it. 108 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 5: You know, last year World Baseball Classic, this year, this 109 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 5: spring training, and now he's going to get the opening 110 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 5: day's start, and I just think maybe the best is 111 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 5: yet to come. He's only twenty million years old, he's 112 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 5: in great health. He's he's what's he doing with the slider? 113 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 5: Is he just brushing it up? 114 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 6: Or is he adding it. 115 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: No, it's the same pitch. It's just more of an 116 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: execution focus. 117 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 4: And you know some of that stuff will change day 118 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: to day and game the game, but really it's you know, 119 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 4: we're talking two pitches of his whole of his whole 120 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 4: outing where it's like, hey, you know, let's work on 121 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: that a little bit. 122 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: You're trying to you have to nitpick right now. 123 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: So but that's what he requires, and that's what you 124 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 4: know this game's requiring because he is so good right now. 125 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 4: But yeah, I think joy, you know, I think Derrek 126 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: Johnson like my mentor for sure in the in life, 127 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 4: but pitching, like he says that, you know, you learned 128 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: everything you really need to know about this game and 129 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 4: little league. You know, it's have fun play ard big 130 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: a teammate, Frost strikes hit the ball, and I think 131 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: you baseball is a weird thing where it's not weird, 132 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 4: but you know, you learn all those things and you 133 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 4: go on this journey and he's come backed all the 134 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: way where he's playing the game like a little leaguer 135 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 4: And that's a really good compliment because the skills are better, 136 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 4: the routines are better. 137 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: You're a professional these things and you can go out 138 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: there and play a game. 139 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 4: And like, I think it's important for pitchers to. 140 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: Be part of the game because you can. 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I talked to you the other 183 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: day about it, and I thought it was just fascinating 184 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: in terms of how that can maybe help him get 185 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: a little extra tick on his fastball. And can you 186 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: kind of for those that didn't maybe read that story, 187 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 3: kind of explain how kind of going back to that 188 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: can kind of help him be a better picture this 189 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: year and kind of bounce back. 190 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think long toss and long toss has 191 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 4: been a great thing forever and we've probably gotten away 192 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 4: from it a little bit where the job is throwing 193 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 4: the baseball. And I love cloud care, I love weighted balls. 194 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 4: I love anything that we possibly can do to help 195 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 4: the picture better. I think there's a there's for sure 196 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 4: a place for those. But for a guy like Nola, 197 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 4: like you could say, hey, we want you to throw harder, 198 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 4: we want you to do this weighted ball program. It's 199 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 4: like a guy like Aaron whose physicality is as good 200 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 4: as anybody, and maybe in life like he's that put together. 201 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 4: He's he's as strong as he ever has been. He's 202 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 4: still moving fast. So a lot of it, like the 203 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: what we were talking about the other day, it's just using 204 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 4: log toss as a strategy to reveal a velocity, it's 205 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 4: probably there right, And to do that you got to 206 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: you gotta let the ball rip. So like my favorite 207 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: way to do long toss is you're just going very 208 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 4: easy and you're leting distance create intensity. So I can 209 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 4: throw a ball pretty easy and get the ball one 210 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: hundred feet throw. I can throw the ball pretty easy 211 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 4: and get one hundred and twenty feet. I got to 212 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 4: put it up in the air, though. But once you 213 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 4: get out to two hundred and two fifty, that easy 214 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 4: mindset has become intensity because the ball has to get 215 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 4: there right, And you're pairing that with on the way in, 216 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 4: he's you know, pulling all that that freedom out into 217 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 4: a ball on a line, and I think for him 218 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 4: it's just revealed. 219 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: You know, oh I can't, I can't move this fast. 220 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm good. 221 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 4: What we're talking about too, It's he's he's at the 222 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: tip of the spear command wise, so you know, if 223 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: we sacrifice just a bit there to throw a little harder, 224 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 4: the calculus or just the math works out there for him, 225 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: and you know, he's done that, and there's a piece 226 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 4: of it's almost a pitcher's version of meditation. When you're throwing, 227 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 4: there's not as much of a target, you're able to 228 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 4: just kind of throw and can get kicked guys back 229 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 4: to like enjoying, you know, catch play and throwing. 230 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: But it's been really good for him. 231 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 3: Do you get any sense that he's like excited about 232 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: where he is, because you know, when we talked to him, 233 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 3: I always joked at you don't know if we talked 234 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 3: to him interview postgame, you wouldn't know if he through 235 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: eight scoreless with nine punch outs, no walks, or he 236 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: gave up five runs in four innings, like he's so 237 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 3: even keel. So do you get any sense that he 238 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: he's like more excited than normal or is it the 239 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: same thing with you? 240 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's definitely it's less trying to think 241 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 4: of the right word. It's not tinker, but it's less 242 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 4: like I gotta get this right, I gotta get that right. 243 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 4: So everything, and I think the work and the long 244 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: toss it's kind of got him in a spot where 245 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 4: his deliveries in such good spot. The pitches came back 246 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 4: quicker than they ever have kind of ramping into the season, 247 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 4: So there's a little less like the changeup's very good 248 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 4: right now, the curveball is very good right now and 249 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 4: kind of the rising tide lifting all ships for him. 250 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: So there's a little more focus in bullpens, like we. 251 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 4: Don't have to do as much work, just kind of 252 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 4: calibrating the shape of this and the shape of that. 253 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 4: It's like we can go to work and face hitters 254 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: and talk about you know, hey, let's work on getting 255 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 4: the curveball on both sides of the play, change up 256 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 4: on both sides of the play. 257 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: More pitching things. 258 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 4: Aaron throws a lot in his pins, but you know, 259 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 4: you can only work on so many things when you're 260 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 4: throwing twenty five thirty thirty five pitches in the side. 261 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 4: So we're able to kind of get right to it, 262 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: and that's that's fun for Aeron, you know. But yeah, 263 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 4: I mean he's he's even killed as they come. There's 264 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: a lot of times he'll throw a pitch in the 265 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 4: pen and I'm like, you didn't like that, and he goes, no, no. 266 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: I did. So that is it's it's it's business approach. 267 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 4: But he's doing in his own way, like there's a 268 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: lot of joy there and he loves to compete, but 269 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: he loves making pitches. 270 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's in a great spot right. 271 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 5: Now in that little tick of velocity, what does it 272 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 5: do for his across the board wrap apart? 273 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 4: Well, I think for him it helps keep uh, you know, 274 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: pitches where they're intended to throw or be thrown. So 275 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 4: I think the four team he typically like if you're 276 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: throwing harder, he typically probably are getting more extension. You know, 277 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 4: you're able to flight the ball. And for him, like 278 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 4: keeping a ball on his glove side when he wants 279 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: to be on the glove side, I think it's it's 280 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 4: a little bit in jest, but I say to a 281 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 4: lot of the guys like it's easier to command a 282 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 4: sniper rifle than it is a NERF gun. So I think, 283 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 4: you know, he has a lot of movements. So in 284 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 4: a lot of ways, the movement we see on some 285 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 4: of the tracking stuff is similar, but the ball is 286 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 4: kind of tracking to that spot. And then I think 287 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 4: from attacking hitters, like if hitters are having to be 288 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 4: ready for ninety three ninety five versus ninety ninety two 289 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 4: ninety three, it's at easier to get away with some things. 290 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: It's also easier to pitch. 291 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 4: How he just pitches where there's an incredible mix the 292 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 4: curveball's a little harder. 293 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: And I think when he's throwing a little harder, the curveball. 294 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: Being around eighty eighty one, like when he's touching those higher, 295 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 4: higher velo curveballs, like they become really good. So I 296 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 4: mean he can get it done at eighty six too, right, 297 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 4: It's just he's got a. 298 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: Little bit of margin for air and the strike zone. 299 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 5: How much of his season last year was just physically 300 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 5: he just didn't feel good. 301 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's that's the majority of him for me. 302 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's tough to battle nicks and like 303 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 4: the nix and bruises and the small here, small air 304 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 4: and like you if you don't feel great, it's really 305 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: tough to be all in and play the game and 306 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 4: make pitches. And so he's kind of battling that. And 307 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 4: I think he's so in tune with his delivery. You know, 308 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 4: there's a gap there where he kind of wanting to 309 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 4: get the move right. So the pitches are right, but 310 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 4: there's some things limiting him and the delivery. I think 311 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 4: anytime you have, you know, anything with your feet, it's 312 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 4: it's really hard because it's such a strong bait. That's 313 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: a big part of the base and landing and feel 314 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: and stride and direction. 315 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: But he did. 316 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 4: He did a really nice job navigating that. But you know, 317 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 4: having that perspective, it's all. It was also a great 318 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: time for us to kind of whittle down and talk 319 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 4: a lot about his delivery. 320 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: So this offseason with the long costs, just getting really 321 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: clear on what we were after and when he was after. 322 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: And he's he's gone done the work. 323 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 4: And again he's in a great spot, as good as 324 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: I've ever seen him in spring training. 325 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: Rob Rob told us after Friday's game that laid out 326 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: the rotation and he said, Andy's Andrew Panter's going to pitch. 327 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: I guess that second game against the Nationals, he said, 328 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: we've told the Andrew that he's that he's made the team. 329 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: And it's been kind of cool talking to him after 330 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: his starts. He seems to be super self aware of 331 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: the things that he does right and also the things 332 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: he does incorrectly. I think it was like two starts ago, 333 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: he had that really good two first innings against the Orioles. 334 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: The third inning, the vello he's fell behind, the vello 335 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: dropped and he's like, I was just kind of slowing 336 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: down my pace and I can't slow down my pace 337 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: and I've got to stay aggressive. And then he seemed 338 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: to like be strong all the way through against the 339 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: braves the other day. What's kind of impressed you about 340 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: him this spring and that that does he have a 341 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: lot of self awareness about himself? 342 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's the most impressive thing to me. 343 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 4: And I you know, a lot of times that perspective 344 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 4: and the ability to kind of even have that perspective 345 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 4: inside a game takes time, takes experience, takes you know, 346 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: some somebody that's kind of brought you under their wing. 347 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: And I think he's kind of got that. Naturally. 348 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 4: The game is slow for him, and I think because 349 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 4: it's slow, he could he can't get slow in his delivery. 350 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: Some times he can get Maybe. 351 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 4: It's not overthinking, but you're really in tune with this 352 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 4: and that. So I think it's a it's a carrying 353 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 4: skill for a starter to be able to, you know, 354 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 4: have an idea of what just happened, Like you don't 355 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 4: come out of this like, oh my gosh. 356 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: Where was the pitch? 357 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 4: And his his awareness, his ability to be aware pitch 358 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 4: to pitch, his ability to like reconcile the inning that 359 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 4: just happened, have a conversation and go and make an 360 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 4: adjustment inning to inning, Like it's it's really good, and 361 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: you just extrapolate that in between starts. It's very good. 362 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: And think he's gotten better like regulating intensity in his sides. 363 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 4: So he's doing a really nice job, especially for a 364 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 4: guy his age of balancing the game and competing with 365 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: the work, because sometimes those can overlap and you can 366 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 4: get in a weird spot in the game. So it's 367 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 4: this happened, you know, like he's saying and like, what 368 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 4: do we want to do about it? And we'll work 369 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: on a little bit, and it's just gotten a little 370 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 4: better each time. And when he has had that little 371 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: snap through with the orioles, like there's like there's just awareness. 372 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: So it's like not like, oh my gosh, what do 373 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: I do. 374 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 4: Well, I'll just do this and I'll make a decision 375 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 4: to do it differently, right, he doesn't. 376 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: So that was really good. In Atlanta the other day we. 377 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 6: Two walks this spring. 378 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, given last year with maybe some command control issues, 379 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 5: is that pretty encouraging. 380 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: To for sure. 381 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 4: I mean he's gonna throw the ball to plate, and 382 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 4: I think first year after Tommy John there's just other things. 383 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: There's things you can't even you know, you can't control 384 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: for he came. 385 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 4: To really evaluate in a sense, but he's his ability 386 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 4: to throw all his pitches in the strike zone, he's 387 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 4: gonna really help him out. So I think he can 388 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: he can have games where the fastball is really good 389 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 4: and he features that. 390 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: There's games where the sweeper is gonna be really good, 391 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: the curveball. 392 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 4: But I think similar to Nolan, like your ability to 393 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 4: throw a bunch of pitches for strikes, it makes you 394 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 4: really tough. 395 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 6: What do you consider kind of a win for him 396 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 6: this season? 397 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 5: He pitched one hundred and eighteen innings last year between 398 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 5: a couple levels. 399 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sure there'll be a jump. I don't 400 00:17:59,680 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 6: know what. 401 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 7: Is it. 402 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 5: Just make every start be healthy, as simple as that, 403 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 5: and the talent will rise up. 404 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I have a really number. 405 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 4: I think it's it's one of those things it's easy 406 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 4: to say, like, oh, we do you know, twenty twenty 407 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 4: five innue jump? We do the X percentage jump. But 408 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 4: I think leaving a little breathing room for what guys 409 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: could be capable of. I think with our our training staff, 410 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 4: guys around him the bullpen we have, you know, like 411 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 4: a win for me would be just him his best 412 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 4: or his good showing up consistently. I don't need him 413 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 4: to really be better than he is. I don't need 414 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 4: him to do more than it's capable of. And I 415 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 4: think if he just does that, we'll figure it out 416 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 4: and he'll get better because of it. The game will 417 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 4: teach him a lot. The big leagues have a have 418 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 4: a knack for teaching you. So I don't want to 419 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 4: necessarily put a number on or like this amount of starts. 420 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 4: It's like today, today, the start, and then we'll we'll 421 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 4: make adjustments because you know, it's kind of what you 422 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 4: have to do, no matter if you put a number. 423 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: On it or not. 424 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: So I think it's just how good can we get 425 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 4: at this turn and him being completely honest with how 426 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 4: he feels so we can address things, which he's done 427 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 4: a fantastic job, and you know, managing the work in between, 428 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 4: Like there's just a lot of learning the first couple 429 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 4: of months to because we do have a you know, 430 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 4: we want to win a championship. So taking care of 431 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 4: the first first, you know, call it month, month and 432 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 4: a half, two months, because we. 433 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: Got a double vision. 434 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 4: We talked about it's like today this week, but we're 435 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 4: also like we need to have an. 436 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: Eye on where we want to be, where we want 437 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: to go. 438 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 4: Do we need to take a take some medicine here 439 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 4: for what we can be down the stretch. 440 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 6: And the team you're a team built for October? 441 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, And is that kind of fit in with the 442 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 5: philosophy of getting Zach Wheeler ready for sure? 443 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a pretty good one. 444 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, you want him firing in October for sure? 445 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean if we're at our best at the end, 446 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: that's we're in a good spot. 447 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 4: So that's that's definitely a piece of you know, I'm 448 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 4: not saying this is the case, but he's like that 449 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 4: is an example, like if it's one more, start to 450 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 4: feel really great about you know. The biggest thing we 451 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 4: talked about with anyone that's on a rehab or building up, 452 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 4: it's like, when you're here, let's you're here, yeah, right, 453 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 4: and you're ready to go, and you know, that's that's 454 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 4: kind of where it's at right now. We'll see, you know, 455 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 4: his next one will just start that process. But he's, uh, 456 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 4: we're a lot better if he's in there. You know, 457 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 4: he seems to be in great, great spirits with everything. 458 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if he's not, like I've said this 459 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 3: to Jim before, like, if he's not, he's really hiding 460 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 3: it well because he seems to be really upbeat. The 461 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: body language is great, you know, on the mound, coming 462 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 3: off the mound, and he's live vps. 463 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, the just very very normal, 464 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: Like you know, he's not. 465 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,239 Speaker 1: Throwing ninety nine yet, it's still a little build up 466 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: of that. 467 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 4: But the turns of how the ball's exploding out of 468 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 4: his hand, the finish on his breaking balls, the split, 469 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 4: like all the whole package is the ball's flying very well. 470 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 4: There's not you know, kind of the weird fastball here 471 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 4: and there where you're kind of working through your slot. 472 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 4: So I think the biggest thing with what he's gone 473 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 4: through is that slot's been really consistent. The shapes of 474 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 4: his pitches have been very consistent. So the command's been 475 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 4: pretty good, right, and I think he's also he's super loose, 476 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 4: got a lot of things going on as delivery. There's 477 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 4: always a calibration period for him in spring training where 478 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 4: it's like there's a lot of checkpoints in his delivery 479 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 4: he needs to go through, but he's kind of blown 480 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 4: through those in a good way, right, So you know 481 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: he's in a good spy. I think you know, the 482 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 4: velo comes from the games intensity to build up. It's 483 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 4: not he's not throwing slow by any means, but you know, 484 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 4: the whole show is looking very good. So I think 485 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 4: you know he likes where he's at. He's in a 486 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 4: good spot to keep saying that. Yeah, we're excited for 487 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 4: him to get out and get going. 488 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 6: You're close to him. 489 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 5: Did you get a feel how much he missed it 490 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 5: down the stretch last year in October? What a It 491 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 5: was a tough thing for him to deal with not 492 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 5: being there. 493 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: He for sure wanted to be there. 494 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 4: He loves he loves pitching, and he likes the ball 495 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: in big spots. So anytime he's not able to do that, 496 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 4: you know, it's a great teammate. And yeah, I mean 497 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 4: you kind of you want guys to feel that way. 498 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 4: It's like, we got a lot of dudes that they 499 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 4: like having the baseball in their hand, which is it's 500 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 4: easy to say, but some guys don't necessarily love the 501 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 4: baseball and big spots, and he sure does. 502 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 7: Aj This episode is brought to you by our friends 503 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 7: at Fox one. Fox one is where you can watch 504 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 7: a J. Pierson and I get this email every week 505 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 7: now AJ that says what to watch this week on 506 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 7: Fox one. 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So there wasn't 534 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 4: just a lot of that. If it's more probably more 535 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 4: on the business side and how how stuff gets done 536 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 4: that way. But yeah, I mean from a standpoint of 537 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 4: you know, who you'd commit to long term, Zeus is 538 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 4: he's exactly what you want the attention to detailing is work, 539 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 4: the aptitude, the teammate in him, like how he's how 540 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 4: he's taken a process that worked, he's addressed things that 541 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 4: maybe didn't work in the past, and he's elevated and 542 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 4: he's taking advantage of all these things that we can 543 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 4: offer in the training room and weight room. 544 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: Like he's just he's just that guy. 545 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 3: So he's throwing a split change is that? I mean 546 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: what I mean, it's what do you call it? That's 547 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 3: where change up, split fosh split change. 548 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 4: Like he's just he's we're trying to get the ball 549 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: to to have more more drop to it. 550 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: That's really. 551 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, that's all the names people can call them. 552 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was it's go ahead, go ahead. 553 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 4: Sorry, No, I mean it's just there's infinite amount of 554 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: ways you can kind of grip change up. Yeah, kick change, spike, 555 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 4: double double kick change. 556 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: So we asked lazarre. 557 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 3: Thos because we loved like geeking out on grips and 558 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 3: how guys learn how to throw pitches. And you know 559 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: two guys that were we cover, I mean I covered 560 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 3: Jamie Moore and Cole Hammill's had great circle changes. So 561 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: I asked, heyesus, I said, does anybody throw a circle 562 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 3: change anymore? Do you even learn it? He's like, I 563 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 3: think everybody's kind of doing like a were like a 564 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 3: split type of thing. 565 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: Is that is that? 566 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 3: Is that accurate? Like would you ever in the off 567 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: season go, hey, we want you to throw a change up. 568 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: Here's a circle change up grip or is that kind 569 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: of like not really in vogue now? Or is it 570 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 3: just what have you learned about it? 571 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 4: I guess right, depends on who you ask and if 572 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 4: but me me speaking for myself, like I think you 573 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: want to have the ability to not have like and 574 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 4: a way of doing this. It's like, hey, this is 575 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 4: how we grip change ups, here's how we're gonna throw them. 576 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: Because everybody's different. 577 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 4: Everyone's arm actions different, their their pattern of how they 578 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 4: kind of work through the balls different, what they're capable 579 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 4: is different. So you're trying to use all these fancy grips, 580 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: the bosh kickchains, you're trying to create. 581 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: Everyone's trying to create kind of same shape. It's like, 582 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: do we want to kill. 583 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 4: Run and have to act more like a splity to 584 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 4: go really down low spin rate, or do we want 585 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 4: more run? But everybody needs it to have depth. We 586 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 4: need change ups to typically have depth and run. It's 587 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 4: just a question of how much based on all your 588 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 4: other pitches. So like for Zeus, I mean it's not 589 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 4: not secret, Like the four seam is a big part 590 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 4: of his game. 591 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: So just creating as much separation on that as we can. 592 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 4: But I'll say on the change up, if I had 593 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 4: someone that I was starting and just gonna start learning 594 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 4: a change up, I would put a circle change in 595 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 4: their hand right away because you never know, right And 596 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 4: I think there's a let's start at the white belt 597 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 4: level part of this that it's you know, a lot 598 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 4: of you can do a lot of crazy grips, you 599 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 4: can create a lot of cool numbers on a track man, 600 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 4: and we use the heck out of those things. 601 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: But change ups are unique that if you just have 602 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: one that's good. 603 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 4: Enough and you can throw it competitively in the zone 604 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: and fastball counts, you have a chance to get a 605 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 4: hitter out. So this is a pitch that's built to 606 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 4: get a hitter out. Now, if it's really good, you 607 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 4: can start talking like we're going to strike guys out 608 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 4: with it. We're gonna get a whiff with it. But 609 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 4: circle change works for a lot of guys. I think 610 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 4: the guys that maybe they throw it and it acts 611 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 4: too much like a fastball. Then we got to start, 612 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 4: you know, moving the finger here, splitting the grip there, 613 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 4: curling a finger like, doing things because there's I mean, 614 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 4: there's infinite amount of things people have said, I want 615 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 4: to squeeze it between my thumb and ring fingers, my 616 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 4: pinky finger. 617 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: Why I moved my thumb up when I want. 618 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 4: To make it move this It's like it's a field 619 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: pitch as much as any pitch. So just kind of 620 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 4: tests our grips, specifically to zeus and one he feels 621 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 4: good with, and it's like to me, it's just a 622 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 4: change up. 623 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's a. 624 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what you'd call it, but it's 625 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 4: not as it's not a crazy grip, but he's he's 626 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 4: got to feel through it and like, ah, it's it's 627 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 4: it's been really good in spring and he's getting a 628 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 4: little more for it. 629 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: But it got really good into the year. 630 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: Last year he was throwing a lot and those like 631 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 4: those fastball counts and getting guys to think is a 632 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 4: lot of hitters are trying to get him, you know, 633 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 4: close to him. With the four scene, it's a pitch 634 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 4: we get him out with. I don't need it to 635 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 4: be that nasty, right, It's just it needs to be 636 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 4: because a nasty pitch thrown the competitively. It's like, I 637 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 4: just want to present this thing as a fastball and 638 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 4: they swing at it like it's a fastball and it's not. 639 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 6: What an addition he's spent to franchise. Yeah, can we 640 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 6: switch real quick to the bullpen? Get a few thoughts 641 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 6: on the bullpen. 642 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 5: I mean, when I go back to the acquisition of 643 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 5: Duran to trade deadline, he's still kind of a new 644 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 5: face here and you had Bowling and Bacchis and Keller, 645 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 5: so in a lot of ways. 646 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 6: There's a lot of new looks down there. Any any 647 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 6: any of those new looks really excites you. 648 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean Bacchus is, I mean, Doran is very good. 649 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 4: I think we got a feel for him, and it's 650 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 4: cool to have a spring training with him and get 651 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 4: to know him even more in like a build up mode. 652 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: He's great. But Bacchus has. 653 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 4: Thrown the ball incredibly well, very unique look, really good competitor. 654 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 4: He's slinging it from down under and he's you know 655 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 4: what he did the other day and in Tampa against 656 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 4: the Yankees, like he he threw some really good pitches 657 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 4: through the heart of their order and it was it 658 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 4: was pretty good. 659 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: So he's a he's a tough look. He's throwing a 660 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: little harder. 661 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 4: Uh. You know, he came in thinking if we can 662 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 4: get him throw a little harder, and he kind of 663 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 4: showed up and he was like, oh wow, he's still harder. Yeah, 664 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 4: and he's kind of rolled with it. So he's he's 665 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 4: got him out very well. 666 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: He's it's it's been quick innings, it's it's been clean. 667 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 4: He's attacking him and I think bowling, especially today was 668 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 4: kind of a kind of capped off a pretty good spring. 669 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 4: He's working on a bunch of different things, Like the 670 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 4: sweeper is a very new pitch and today is probably 671 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 4: as good as as good as it's been. He started 672 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 4: throwing that kind of towards the end of the offseason, 673 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 4: so it's been really impressive. Like how fast he was 674 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 4: able to pick that pitch up because he also has 675 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 4: a really good slider. His change up was probably as 676 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: good it's been on camp today. Fastball is, he's got 677 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 4: a very good fastball, and when he's throwing hard like 678 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 4: he was today, it's maybe the best fastball. But I 679 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 4: mean he gets some of the most with at the 680 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 4: top of his own as anyone in the game. So 681 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 4: you know, he's he's thrown a bunch of strikes. Back, 682 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 4: he's thrown a bunch of strikes. I think our guys 683 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 4: that are you know, returning guys, they've been very clean 684 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 4: as well. So it's it's been and it's been good 685 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 4: from that perspective. 686 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 3: Yes, I just have one last question is like what 687 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 3: gets you like what do you love most about being 688 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 3: a pitching coach. I mean, you know, I don't know 689 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: if you have any angles on managing down the road 690 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 3: or if somebody said, hey, we'll sign you a twenty 691 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 3: five year deal. You can be a pitching coach. You 692 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 3: know what, what kind of gets you fired up doing 693 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 3: this job? 694 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 695 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 4: I mean I love pitching. I love baseball, and I 696 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 4: it's it's what I know the most. And I think 697 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 4: the biggest part of being a pitching coach, the coolest 698 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 4: part is you know you're working behind the scenes to 699 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 4: try to keep guys in the bump. 700 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: We're bumpers in the bowling alley. I kind of think 701 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: of it like that. 702 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: But you you know, you take something that you feel, 703 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 4: you know, maybe they're struggling with something, maybe you think 704 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 4: that it's going to help them, and they buy in 705 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 4: and they it works, and there's like those light bulb 706 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 4: moments where you see guys take the next step. I 707 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 4: think those are really cool because you're, you know, you're 708 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 4: a small piece of that journey. 709 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: You're trying to. 710 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 4: Get them to where they want to be, and I think, 711 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 4: you know, doing it here with the ownership, we have 712 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 4: the team, we have the type of pictures that we have. 713 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 4: You know, I couldn't ask for. I wouldn't want to 714 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 4: be anywhere else. It's the fans, like the weight of 715 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 4: expectation is fun, and getting hitters out is fun. And 716 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 4: doing it at the highest level and the biggest spots 717 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 4: is fun. And I think, you know, trying to get 718 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 4: these guys that are already really really dang good at 719 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 4: this game a little bit better. It's a big ask 720 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 4: and it's it's it's fun to try to figure it out, 721 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 4: but you know, getting to do what you want with 722 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 4: the people you want to do it with, around the 723 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 4: players that we have and the pictures we have, Like, 724 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 4: I can't ask for much more than that. 725 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 3: So I and then this is literally my last question 726 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 3: is when you go on the mound during a mound visit, 727 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 3: obviously we don't know what you're saying, but is it 728 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 3: is it always busy? Do you have any like sarcastic 729 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 3: sense of humor if you want to calm a guy down, 730 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 3: Like what is that? Because I was talking to some 731 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 3: pictures about JT. They said JT always comes out and 732 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: does the same thing, goes how you feeling, Uh, we're good, 733 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 3: We're gonna get out of this. What do you what 734 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 3: do you got for this guy? Some guys like Wheeler 735 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: and Tywan will say you pick I don't want to 736 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 3: you know, just just pick it for me. What are 737 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 3: you generally like out there? 738 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: I don't joke a whole lot. 739 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know, it's just you're not out 740 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 3: there because like a guy's pitching, well, so you because 741 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: something's going wrong. 742 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 4: But I think you know JT's JT is great because 743 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 4: he'll take his own visits. So like usually when I'm 744 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 4: out there, it's it's for sure to take a get 745 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 4: him to take a blow. I usually say that. I 746 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 4: mean it's mountain visits are are funny. It's like, you know, 747 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 4: you want when they go really good, usually have something 748 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 4: that you're on guard for. You've communicated, we've talked about 749 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 4: before the game, and it's kind of showed up. But 750 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 4: a lot of it, a lot of it is JT. 751 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 4: And you know, nine times out of ten and it's 752 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 4: it's you know, what are you feeling and how you're doing? 753 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: And they typically say I'm doing good. 754 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: You know. 755 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 4: I think there's a guy he came into camp a 756 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 4: couple years and he named Joel Turner, and he coaches 757 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 4: guy's archery, and he didn't know anything about mountain visits 758 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 4: and he he's like, well, what are you kind of 759 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 4: the same questions and what do you say out there? 760 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 4: He said, Well, you know, usually say how you doing? 761 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 4: He goes, hell, can you get a good answer? I'm like, never, 762 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 4: they always say good. 763 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: So sometimes I will say, like, you know, what are 764 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: you saying to yourself? What's the self talk? 765 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 4: Like what do you And it's like, oh, my slider's 766 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 4: bad right now? Right, And then you can kind of 767 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 4: get a little bit. But we're you know, we're typically 768 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 4: looking at like movement and the delivery, giving him a blow, 769 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 4: and then it transitions quickly to JT and we're talking 770 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 4: about the next hitter, cause it's getting a little. 771 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: External focus like, well, you know this guy, what do 772 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: you wanna throw? Ah? Now, maybe give him a little 773 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: bit of a plan. 774 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's it's not reinventing the wheel, but trying 775 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 4: to trying to give him something. 776 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: Though. 777 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 5: The most the most famous Mound visit in Philly's history 778 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 5: in the only eight World Series, when Brad Lynch was 779 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 5: getting ready to face Rakinski for the final out, Rich 780 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 5: Duby goes with him out right, yeah, Rich, He says, 781 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 5: you ever faced this guy? 782 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 6: And Lych says, yeah, he waffled me. 783 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 3: And Ryan Ryan Howard's he had to cover his mouth 784 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 3: with his glove. 785 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 6: Slaughter threw the final out. 786 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, Caleb, thanks a lot, Man, I appreciate, thank you, 787 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 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