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Speaker 1: Iheartradios live coverage of about twenty twenty five Steelers training camp.

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Speaker 2: Practice.

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Speaker 3: Rolling along here the fourth and final of the acclamation

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Speaker 3: period for your Pittsburgh Steelers. Mason Rudolph in the shotgun

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Speaker 3: with Caleb Johnson to his left.

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Speaker 2: Here as a team period rolls along.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Matt, We've talked about how kind of

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Speaker 3: the just the alumni, the who's who presence that the

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Speaker 3: Steelers cultivates so well at training camp. And I'm looking

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Speaker 3: down there and I'm laughing because standing in the backfield

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Speaker 3: watching all this go on, you got Max Starks next

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Speaker 3: to Ike Taylor, and just a little bit to their

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Speaker 3: right walking now with the visor on his Charlie Batch.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you sitting there before us.

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Speaker 3: You got Max, Ike and Charlie down there, and like

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Speaker 3: if no one knew who those guys were, and you

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Speaker 3: were like, oh, they're Steelers coaches.

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Speaker 4: You believe them. Of course.

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Speaker 3: Attention, they're taking notes, they're talking to each other. What

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Speaker 3: did you see on that one? It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: It is pretty cool, and I do love that so

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Speaker 4: many former Steelers, but especially great players, legends, you know,

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Speaker 4: are floating around down here, like I forget someone's probably listening.

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Speaker 4: But they just tweeted me a picture from yesterday's practice

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Speaker 4: and it was TJ. Watt sitting there on the practice

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Speaker 4: field on one of the benches with Troy Paula Mallery,

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Speaker 4: you know, like, I'm sure they've crossed paths before, of course,

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Speaker 4: but they're not teammates. And you know, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if they're talking about football, and they probably aren't. Who knows,

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Speaker 4: but the fact that Troy Paula maul is sitting next

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Speaker 4: to your all time great and I'm Jack Sawyer going, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that one, I sit at that chair someday. You know, Yes,

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Speaker 4: I think I've told this story too, but well I

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Speaker 4: know I have, but you probably haven't heard it. Like

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Speaker 4: the one years with the Browns, we were terrible and

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Speaker 4: the Ravens came to town as they do every year in

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Speaker 4: the division and pregame I'm down on the field and

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Speaker 4: mulling around. I really have no responsibilities at this point.

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Speaker 4: But home games, I go look at the other team

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Speaker 4: and I remember like Torrell Owens and going, man, I've

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Speaker 4: never seen but it looks like that, you know. But

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Speaker 4: this Ravens game, I want to say it was. It

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Speaker 4: was definitely Ogden, Lewis read I think Woodson or Dion

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Speaker 4: and Ogden, the five of them are just in this

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Speaker 4: own circle, and I don't think it maybe sucks nobody else.

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Speaker 4: I don't think was invited to go walk in that circle.

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Speaker 4: This is pregame. They're just being social. It's an hour

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Speaker 4: and a half before a game. But the backup center

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Speaker 4: doesn't go strolling into that circle, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like if I'm times about to say if X is

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Speaker 4: your worst player, but I can't come up with the

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Speaker 4: worst player ray Lewis and Ed and Rod Woodson, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like there is no worst player.

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Speaker 4: Ralph Suggs is your worst player.

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Speaker 3: There's like which one of us won't be a first

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Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Famer, right, But I was.

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Speaker 4: Just like, I wonder what they're talking about you know, like,

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Speaker 4: can can I get close to that and just listen?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that is that's what these settings, that's that is.

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Speaker 4: There's listen.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of different reasons why the Steelers aren't Rudy,

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Speaker 3: Omar Kahn, Mike Tomlin, everybody involved love coming out here

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Speaker 3: to this setting, but that's one of them.

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Speaker 2: Make no mistake about it. That's on the list.

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Speaker 3: The opportunity to kind of you know, cultivate those types

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Speaker 3: of relationships and history and lineage. I think that's the

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Speaker 3: word that I'm looking for there. But again, all NFL

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Speaker 3: teams try and do that, but I think the Steelers

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Speaker 3: are at the top of the list and and executing

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Speaker 3: it and being littered with Hall of Famers and champions

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Speaker 3: certainly helps, right.

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Speaker 4: And as does the the conversation you brought up a

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Speaker 4: few days ago, and I brought it off to mar Kahn,

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Speaker 4: you know, being one helmet guys, you know that that

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Speaker 4: had something to do with it. I question two to

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Speaker 4: bring that up, and just who else whether teams are

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Speaker 4: you gonna go check out? You know, I mean like

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Speaker 4: you come home and I don't know how much interviewing

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Speaker 4: you've done of the legends but a lot of times

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Speaker 4: Randy Grossman, Rocky Blyer. I mean, all those guys sit

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Speaker 4: down with somebody and if they're here at the right time,

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Speaker 4: it's the drive. If not, it's a different one or whatever.

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Speaker 4: But and I always think it makes me think of

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Speaker 4: Wolf always, Like the first day of training camp. I'd

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Speaker 4: see Wolf and be like, how's it going, man, He's like,

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Speaker 4: this place gives me PTSD, Like not in a good way,

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Speaker 4: like this there's It was tough being here, you know,

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Speaker 4: in those seventies, Steelers and all training camps were across

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Speaker 4: the country. Of course, and times are different, but it

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Speaker 4: wasn't all roses and Friday night lights. I mean it

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Speaker 4: was thrown up in your shoes and two A days

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Speaker 4: and no air conditioning and trying to block Joe Green.

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Speaker 2: You know that doesn't sound too enjoyable, you know, I

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Speaker 2: told you.

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Speaker 4: I mean it scars you or you know who stays

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Speaker 4: with you the work you put in here? You know?

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Speaker 3: So have I ever? So that's a good one by you.

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Speaker 3: Have I ever told you my Jackham training camp story?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if I've told you this before?

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Speaker 3: Quick, you know this, I don't even know if this

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Speaker 3: is a thirty thousand foot view, maybe ten thousand foot view.

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Speaker 3: Jackham is a big Pittsburgh Symphony fan. Cokay, my as

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Speaker 3: people who have listened to SNR over the years will know,

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Speaker 3: but I'm sure plenty of you don't. My dad just

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Speaker 3: retired recently, but was in the Pittsburgh Symphony for thirty

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Speaker 3: six years I think as a as a violinist, and

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Speaker 3: he my dad was one of the guys who would

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Speaker 3: you'd see the videos of the you know, the ten

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Speaker 3: Symphony people playing carols for the Steelers every Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my dad was always one of those people.

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Speaker 3: And so my dad's also a pretty charismatic guy like

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Speaker 3: he is, I tell him all the time, Like I

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Speaker 3: classical musician if they met him and didn't know what

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Speaker 3: he did, you know, Like he he's big personality. He's

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Speaker 3: you know, would be maybe more of like a broadcaster

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Speaker 3: or an athlete or a teacher type, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, then maybe do what we do exactly right,

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Speaker 3: exactly right. And so through that through his personality, through

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Speaker 3: his skill at the violin Pittsburgh Symphony relationship, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's met a lot of these guys and has relationships

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Dick Lebow was another one, massive Pittsburgh Symphony fan as.

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Speaker 4: As well rounded smart people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as is as is Jack Hamm and his wife Joanna,

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Speaker 3: Like I believe they have season tickets to the symphony

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Speaker 3: type thing. So over the years, my dad got to

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Speaker 3: know them. And this was twenty nineteen, Okay, Matt, So

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Speaker 3: it was my second year with the Steelers, and it

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Speaker 3: was my first year that I was going to have

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Speaker 3: my like a daily time slot on SNR.

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Speaker 4: Okay, becoming a regular in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: I would do an hour here, in an hour there,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I might fill in with you sometimes,

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Speaker 3: I might fill in with Crowley sometimes, you know, like

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Speaker 3: whatever was going on. But this was the first time

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Speaker 3: that I was going to be a regular, and I

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Speaker 3: it's a couple of weeks before training camp and there's

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Speaker 3: a symphony concert that my wife and I went to and.

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Speaker 4: Soon and I'm plenty as well go I go to one.

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Speaker 3: A year to a year, Like I look at the

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Speaker 3: schedule and see when are they doing Lord of the Rings,

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Speaker 4: Doing, Star Warks, Pops?

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Speaker 3: You guys stuff you guys are having a led Zeppelin

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Speaker 4: Give me some tickets. You would love it.

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Speaker 3: I went one time, My wife and I went with

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Speaker 3: Tounch and his wife to a Queen night one time.

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Speaker 3: It was awesome. It was so cool. The Zeppelin nights

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Speaker 3: are awesome. You would love that if they ever do

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Speaker 3: that again. Matt were, absolutely, that is not the point

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Speaker 3: of this story. I'm taking a long time to land

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Speaker 4: You will come on.

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Speaker 3: So concert's over. My wife and I are heading to

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Speaker 3: to Morton's for a drink with Jack Ham. You got

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Speaker 3: to meet me there so I can introduce you to him.

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Speaker 4: Very cool.

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Speaker 3: So we go into Morton's and we're, you know, having

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Speaker 3: that and everything. And he, you know, he still does

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Speaker 3: the Penn State broadcast. He's the state football color commentator,

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Speaker 3: Jack Hamms and has been for.

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Speaker 4: A long time.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you knew that.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm chatting with about radio. He's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. He was friendly and as kind as could be.

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Speaker 3: And you know, he knows motes a little bit as

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Speaker 3: well too, which helped, like, oh, you're doing radio with motes,

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Speaker 2: Be a lot of fun type thing.

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Speaker 3: I said to him when we were leaving and saying goodbye,

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Speaker 3: I said, hey, i'd like, you know, love to get

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Speaker 2: And he was like, absolutely, you guys, just let me know.

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Speaker 2: We'll set it up.

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Speaker 3: And I said, well, are you gonna be out at

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Speaker 3: training camp at all over those three weeks because we'll

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Speaker 3: be broadcasting from there every day.

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Speaker 2: You could just hop on with us at any point.

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Speaker 4: M hm.

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Speaker 3: He put his arm around my shoulder and he said, Wes,

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Speaker 3: you'll never see me in La Tropy. Oh really, he said,

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Speaker 3: I played twelve years for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said.

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Speaker 3: Our training camp back then was eight or six weeks long.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 3: So, he said, you do the math on that one, buddy.

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Speaker 3: He said, I spent nearly two years of my life

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Speaker 3: on that campus, in those dorm rooms, just in training

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Speaker 3: camps in my career, nearly time, nearly two of my life.

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Speaker 2: He said, you won't see me back there. I did

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Speaker 2: my time.

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Speaker 3: I did your frames going back to right, like clearly

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Speaker 3: like he did not have a nostalgic like, oh the

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Speaker 3: hallowed grounds of training camp.

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Speaker 2: It was the same PTSD thing that you were describing.

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Speaker 4: One thing that blows me away from that era. And

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Speaker 4: I didn't Labs taught me this ten years ago. I

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Speaker 4: didn't realize. I was too young too. But still, the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl champ before training camp, before the other teams opened,

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Speaker 4: played like the Senior Bowl team. Really, you played like

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Speaker 4: the college All Start.

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Speaker 3: You say that, Yes, the Super Bowl champ played the

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Speaker 2: So he's still out here.

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Speaker 4: He's credit. When he was bugging him, he went back

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Speaker 3: They don't want you to walk two hundred yards bar

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Speaker 4: Right, But that's all trading camps. He got carted off.

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Speaker 3: Justin fields got carted off, right, yeah, because they didn't

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Speaker 4: If they haven't talked to you, if they haven't, If.

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Speaker 3: But the real tell to me, Matt has been he's

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Speaker 4: Yes, and Thompson has not yet. Like for example, they

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Speaker 4: Of rings and now we all have a lot higher

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Speaker 3: But for for for Will Howard to again, it's just one,

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Speaker 3: practice number four.

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Speaker 2: There is a little ominous.

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Speaker 4: That's a little worse it did look. But yeah, pretty

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Speaker 4: pretty nice going.

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Speaker 3: On, but still sunny and nice here on the grounds

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Speaker 3: of chuck Nolefield, of course, at Saint Vincent College in Latrobe,

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania for Pittsburgh Steelers training camp.

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Speaker 2: A little peak behind.

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Speaker 4: The curt I told you this yesterday when we were

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Speaker 4: at the local watering hole Sharkies of course. But I

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Speaker 4: pulled out of here yesterday and after our show and

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Speaker 4: it was almost like eight o'clock ish. I was meeting

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Speaker 4: you and you're cruising down the main drag to get

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Speaker 4: to the highway here, and you could see like the

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Speaker 4: wall of rain, you know, like you could see exactly

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Speaker 4: where it started and stopped, like like it was like

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Speaker 4: pulling into a car wash, like I guess I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: hit this, and then it was like, I mean, there

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Speaker 4: was so much it was crazy.

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Speaker 3: That's happened to me once or twice eight years of

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Speaker 3: being out here. You can I mean it looks like

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Speaker 3: something out of a movie. Yeah, when like the.

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Speaker 2: Crows come in and take over the town.

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Speaker 3: Like you can see that wall of rain.

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Speaker 4: And it's yes, exactly right, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it is unique weather elements out here

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Speaker 3: because of the just things that happen in the Laurel Valley,

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Speaker 3: the enclosure of the mountains, all the trees in this area.

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Speaker 3: Max Starks was kind of explaining that to to us too,

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Speaker 3: that when you have a lot of trees and mountains

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Speaker 3: like you do in this area and you sit down

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Speaker 3: in it, that keeps the humidity and the moisture and

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Speaker 3: everything locked in, and that causes some some combustible elements.

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Speaker 4: Oka.

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Speaker 3: He's like, you know, like the reason that it's not

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Speaker 3: humid at the beach is because there's so much wind.

475
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Speaker 2: And there's so much over the bar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's like smoking a cigar in a

477
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Speaker 3: cigar lounge inside versus smoking one outside.

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Speaker 4: There's just so much more place exactly right, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: So that's what leads to some of the some of

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Speaker 3: the volatile weather that you see this time of year.

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Speaker 2: But so far, so good out here today.

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Speaker 3: Uh, peking peeling back the curtain for everybody, Matt.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, we all the loyal listeners of the Drive,

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Speaker 3: which you and Dale have have built up millions and

486
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Speaker 3: millions of loyal listeners here on this show.

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Speaker 2: They know that stats are a big thing that you do.

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Speaker 3: We've referenced, Matt the last couple of days and all

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Speaker 3: that you sent me some really good, uh different you

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Speaker 3: know stat packets.

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Speaker 2: Today one on one with eighteen pages long.

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Speaker 4: Bad. Yeah, Matt, that's longer.

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Speaker 3: That's longer than anything I read when I was in college.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there won't be a quiz or anything, but

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Speaker 4: we need to keep you up to speed if you're

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Speaker 4: gonna be hanging around a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I love it.

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Speaker 3: And one thing that you tweeted out today that I

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Speaker 3: thought was interesting and worth revisiting. Like we I think

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Speaker 3: we touched on this a little bit maybe on Thursday,

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Speaker 3: like the first day of training camp. But Steelers sacks

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Speaker 3: a lot out.

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Speaker 4: The offensive line.

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Speaker 3: How that relates to the just the O line verse?

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Speaker 3: How much of that is on quarterbacks for holding the

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Speaker 3: ball too long and not making the best decisions and

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Speaker 3: those quarterback sacks as well, right, Like people know this,

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Speaker 3: but not every sack is just an offensive line and

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Speaker 3: getting beat. There's coverage, there's coverage sacks, there's quarterback sacks.

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Speaker 4: It's as much a quarterback stat as there is is

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Speaker 4: an O line stat across NFL football, Yes, no question

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Speaker 4: about it. And frankly, like Peyton Manning didn't take sacks,

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Speaker 4: take you can. You cannot take sacks if you don't

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Speaker 4: want to. I mean it flat out. So something I've

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Speaker 4: referenced a lot is there when they allow a pressure.

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Speaker 4: Time to pressure is okay, and I know a pressure

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Speaker 4: Somebody saying, okay, that's a pressure. I mean, so it's

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Speaker 4: not exact. It's not like a sack is a sack

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Speaker 4: of a sack. But whatever, if we're under the assumption

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Speaker 4: that these people are doing their jobs pretty well, and

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Speaker 4: this comes from NFL dot com, so it's not just

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Speaker 4: someone making it up.

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Speaker 2: In their base flappy dot com, right right, right right.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, the Steelers last year, their average time to

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Speaker 4: pressure when they allowed the pressure, how deep in the

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Speaker 4: down are you? Was really late. It was really good.

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Speaker 4: You know you want that to be a late number.

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Speaker 4: We're not giving up pressure until three point two seconds

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Speaker 4: or whatever it is. And how good it was was

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Speaker 4: by the time that the quarterback was deemed under pressure.

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Speaker 4: Only Mahomes and Lamar were better. Okay, and they're hard

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Speaker 4: guys of pressure, you know what I mean, They're to

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Speaker 4: the best teams in the league. You know, they're Super

534
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Speaker 4: Bowl team, Hall of famers, two of those elite quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: And they're great athletes. Now, not that Wilson and Fields

536
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Speaker 4: weren't great athletes, but they're hold the ball guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they absolutely are hold the ball guys. And to me,

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Speaker 4: because the Steelers did allow a lot of sacks last year,

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Speaker 4: not the bottom of the league, but it wasn't good.

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Speaker 4: They have too many, and sacks are massive drive killers.

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Speaker 4: And but that number as well as watching every game,

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Speaker 4: you know, if it doesn't jive with the tape and

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Speaker 4: you know you're viewing and I don't bring it up. Sure,

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Speaker 4: but Fields and Wilson over their career take a lot

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Speaker 4: of sacks. They took a lot of sacks here. A

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Speaker 4: lot of those happened late in the down when your

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Speaker 4: guys blocked three point two seconds three but did their draw.

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Speaker 2: Three seconds three and a half seconds right in that wheel?

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Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, it won't go with that. There's another side

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Speaker 4: to this. It's not as good. But Rogers is not

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Speaker 4: going to hold the ball for three point three three

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Speaker 4: point four, you know, I mean it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: I mean, even on his best days when he was

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Speaker 4: the creator the athlete. The ball still came out quick,

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Speaker 4: and he doesn't take a lot of sacks like a Manning,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like he realizes that they

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Speaker 4: are drive killers. I'm not going to take many sacks,

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Speaker 4: and frankly, at his age now, I don't think he's

559
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Speaker 4: getting hit as much you used to either, you know, right,

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Speaker 4: nobody does, of course, so the quarterback side of that

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Speaker 4: almost has to change. So if if the O line

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Speaker 4: is still only allowing pressures in three point two, three

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Speaker 4: point four, whatever it is, I bet it results in

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Speaker 4: much fewer sacks the other one and this one wasn't.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of the opposite. This doesn't paint the O

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Speaker 4: line in a great picture. Is I'm not looking at

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Speaker 4: the tweet, but they allowed a very high percentage of

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Speaker 4: what the NFL now calls as quick pressures, which is

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Speaker 4: under two point five seconds. Two point Five's like the

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Speaker 4: magic number. Like if I'm an O tackle and I

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Speaker 4: can block TJ. Watt for two point five seconds, I

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Speaker 4: get an a p I get a you know, like

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Speaker 4: I checked the good box, not the bad box. But

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Speaker 4: the Steelers allowed a lot of pressures under two point five. Now,

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Speaker 4: that's concerning. Sure, But and I just think it's a

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Speaker 4: talking point. I don't know one hundred percent the answer.

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Speaker 4: Some of them flat out were Roger Jones gotta beat

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Speaker 4: the snap, no doubt, no doubt. Some of them were

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Speaker 4: flat out here's a twist or a stunt that wasn't

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Speaker 4: picked up properly, you know, a mental error.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe just Fraser McCormick. Two rookies defensive coordination.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, we love Zach Frasier, but maybe he made a

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Speaker 4: wrong line call in a rookie year.

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Speaker 3: In one of you know, the first ten starts of

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Speaker 3: his NFL.

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Speaker 4: Career, right, But I also think some of it goes

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Speaker 4: back to quarterback as well. Again, I'm not saying Fields

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Speaker 4: and Wilson are dumb, but I know, I know, I

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Speaker 4: know Rogers will know where the pressure is coming from.

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Speaker 4: And Okay, I'm in this protection. It's too late in

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Speaker 4: this in the snap uh this the snap clock. I

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Speaker 4: can't get out of it. And they beat me mentally

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Speaker 4: in the line. I know that corner's coming and he's

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Speaker 4: gonna be unblocked. Well, I'm not gonna just sit in

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Speaker 4: there and get hitting the team gone, you know, right,

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Speaker 4: right right, I'm either gonna go hot or I'm gonna

597
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Speaker 4: throw to his feet. I'm not gonna take I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna allow that to happen. Now, the old line has

599
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Speaker 4: to be better on those quick pressures. Jones has to

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Speaker 4: be pressure. You go better on those pressures. But some

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Speaker 4: of it's explainable by who's here and who isn't.

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Speaker 3: I found it interesting, no I, And again that's the

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Speaker 3: kind of stuff a lot of people. That's a very

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Speaker 3: nice window throw by Aaron Rodgers to DK Metcalf here

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Speaker 3: in a little seven on seven action that's going on

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Speaker 3: in front of us. Peyton Wilson was close, One thorn

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Speaker 3: Hill was close, Joey Porter Junior was close, but that

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers zip made it in there. There are sometimes

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Speaker 3: where I see statistics and analytics and things like that

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Speaker 3: that people do and I'm like, okay, but what does

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Speaker 3: this mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, please explain to me why I care about that

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Speaker 4: as a fan?

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Speaker 3: Like what you how you just laid it out there.

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Speaker 3: That's something that makes sense. That's I think Layman's terms, like,

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Speaker 3: you don't have to have an advanced statistical understanding of

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Speaker 3: football to get how that relates to offensive success in

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Speaker 3: lowering your sack numbers and sustaining drives and all those

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Speaker 3: different things.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm not a mathematician that understands how EPA was creation,

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Speaker 4: and I'm never gonna pretend to be, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, But I understand why it is relevant. So

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Speaker 4: I try to tell people here's another.

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Speaker 3: Four in baseball, right, like wins above replacement. I have

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Speaker 3: no idea what the equation right is, but I know

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Speaker 3: it's important.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's things like a huge on right now

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Speaker 4: is pass rate over expected, which basically just means across

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Speaker 4: the league in these situations, the league throws sixty percent

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Speaker 4: of the time, but the Steelers do it fifty eight

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Speaker 4: percent of time, so they're two percent below expectations. Now, again,

632
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Speaker 4: not perfect, maybe the winds blowing bad, or your quarterback

633
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Speaker 4: has a bad elbow or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You know, million different factors, a million different plans. Snow

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Speaker 2: Globe game in Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Dome game in New Orleans is different than a

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Speaker 4: Green Bay game in December. Of course, you know on

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Speaker 4: all those things, but still there are they really do

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Speaker 4: paint a picture, And especially when you follow a team

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Speaker 4: like we do the Steelers, when you start reading them like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that adds up and what it does for me too.

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Speaker 4: And I like to express this to the listeners because

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Speaker 4: they don't watch the other thirty one teams like I do.

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Speaker 4: You know, like you are? You are?

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Speaker 3: You are more knowledgeable about the Steelers than every other team,

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Speaker 3: I would say, act, but we could ask you about

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Speaker 3: anything involving the other other thirty one teams and you

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Speaker 3: would at least have a pretty solid baseline knowledge.

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Speaker 4: I'll take the Pepsi challenge of the thirty one others

650
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Speaker 4: against anyone in local media in this entire city, and

651
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Speaker 4: I'm discounting them. That's not their job. But I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think I bring out.

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Speaker 3: The thing, not national people who cover the entiresarily who

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Speaker 3: cover the Steelers for a little.

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Speaker 4: I do it some nation national things as well, like

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Speaker 4: ESPN For ten years, I was only nationally, you know.

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Speaker 4: So that's the way I grolle. But I like to

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Speaker 4: put that in context too, you know, like whatever it is, boys,

659
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: Steelers dropped a lot of passes this year. I'm just

660
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: making something up. Yeah, okay, they did well, let's see,

661
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 4: but there were ten teams worse, like maybe it was

662
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Speaker 4: worse than it has been in recent years. For you

663
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Speaker 4: guys to just watch Steeler games. Boy, the receivers dropped

664
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Speaker 4: more passes than they should. We agreed, we think, wow, this,

665
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean they were thirty seconds.

666
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Speaker 2: The Steelers really didn't have enough sacks last year. There

667
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Speaker 2: were sixteen.

668
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Speaker 4: They were still sixteen average, right, Yeah, I mean, at

669
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Speaker 4: least give me some contexts compared to their who they're battling.

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Speaker 4: You know, is it a problem? How can we fix it?

671
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Speaker 3: You know, it's Mason Rudolph standing back here looking downfield,

672
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: fires one to JJ gollbreath but it was punched out

673
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: nicely there by Miles killerbrew as a Oh what I'd

674
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Speaker 3: say we probably got about twenty twenty five minutes or

675
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Speaker 3: so left here in this practice, this final acclamation period practice.

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Speaker 3: Offensive line down to our left, working on some things. Uh,

677
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Speaker 3: we've got seven on seven in front of us, a

678
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Speaker 3: lot of the defense on the far side of the

679
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Speaker 3: field getting to breather some of the ones on the

680
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Speaker 3: offense here on the near side. But yeah, that is listen,

681
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Speaker 3: like of all the and it's it's it's real things

682
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Speaker 3: that you can kind of.

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Speaker 2: Earmark this time of year.

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Speaker 3: If we've talked about a lot of them, that that

685
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Speaker 3: yards per rush attempt number better be better this season. Yes,

686
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Speaker 3: that that sack number better be higher, that your sacked

687
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Speaker 3: total better.

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Speaker 4: Two season soapbox things for this offense, and I think.

689
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Speaker 2: Those are the two.

690
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Speaker 3: And again just not like, oh, they need better quarterback

691
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Speaker 3: play like we're talking. We're talking real tangible, measurable numbers.

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Speaker 4: Get me from four point one car to carry to

693
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Speaker 4: four point three. Don't don't be twenty ninth, be nineteenth.

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Speaker 4: I'm not asking you to be first difference. I'm not

695
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Speaker 4: asking to be the Ravens at six point zero. That's unattainable.

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Speaker 3: And I know, you know, I just told you for

697
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Speaker 3: the Steelers last year forty sacks, that was sixteenth in

698
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Speaker 3: the league. If they would have had six or seven more,

699
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Speaker 3: they would have been fifth or sixth in the league.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know that's not unattainable.

701
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Speaker 4: And frankly, they also caused the most forth thumbers from

702
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Speaker 4: that ground most and passes on the most passes, you know,

703
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Speaker 4: so like it wasn't like they weren't doing their job.

704
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Speaker 4: You can't just look at sacks and even like their

705
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Speaker 4: pressure rate was good and things like that. We don't

706
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Speaker 4: I'm sure we don't have time for this conversation, but

707
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Speaker 4: a new one for me. That is really really disheartening,

708
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: to be honest, and I'm not I don't mean to

709
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 4: drag down the mood. Yeah, first quarter scoring, ooh, it's

710
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: the worst in the league. It's there when the bell

711
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 4: rings after the first quarter. They have the first point

712
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: differential of all thirty two teams. They're always starting in

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Speaker 4: a hole.

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Speaker 2: And that wasn't like just a twenty twenty four problem.

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Speaker 4: It's been a problem for a while, but they were

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Speaker 4: last this year. But last year first quarter scoring differential.

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Speaker 2: Kind of the crown jewel example, if you will.

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Speaker 4: And everyone blames the offense, and they should. I mean,

719
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Speaker 4: they haven't scored an opening drive touchdown in a long

720
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Speaker 4: long time. But the defense was really bad too in

721
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Speaker 4: first quarter. You know, they allowed a lot of points

722
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Speaker 4: in the first quarter. It's a hard way to live,

723
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Speaker 4: especially when you're not a high flying passing team.

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Speaker 3: It's not the Killer Bee era where all right, right,

725
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Speaker 3: we might fall beyond fourteen, nothing, no problem. All right,

726
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Speaker 3: here comes Ben and ab and right bell and all

727
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, you right back in it.

728
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm sure there's listeners going. Well, then they

729
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: better prepare better during the week. I think they should

730
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Speaker 4: They at least need to at least look in the

731
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Speaker 4: mirror and be like, what are we doing?

732
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Speaker 2: The definition of insanity thing?

733
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Speaker 4: Right, right? Right? I mean, I think that's a worthy complaint.

734
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Speaker 4: But some people will take it too far and be like, well,

735
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: this coaching staff butesn't know what they're doing. Then, But

736
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Speaker 4: then I'll counter and be like, yeah, but they were

737
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Speaker 4: great coming out of halftime, you know, like their third

738
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Speaker 4: quarter different, right, right exactly. It's not like I don't

739
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: know football. I'm just gonna right exactly, you know. And

740
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Speaker 4: not to be a Steeler apologist, but one thing I

741
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: did kind of try to explain it away is when

742
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 4: you run as voluminous as the Steelers do, I'm the

743
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: only talk about the offense. It doesn't excuse the defense.

744
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: Tackling nausey's harder in the fourth quarter than the first,

745
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, it's found in the rock

746
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Speaker 4: and okay, this is only a two yard run, but

747
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Speaker 4: it turns into a fourth four yard run in the

748
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Speaker 4: third quarter, in a five yard run. It's a process.

749
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Speaker 4: But they're also not built to come from behind, and

750
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: they were always behind when the first quarter ended. It's

751
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: a hard way to live.

752
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Speaker 2: It absolutely is. And that's another one of those.

753
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Speaker 3: Okay, So we were we were laughing about like the

754
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: guys getting carted off at training camp, and spoke with

755
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Speaker 3: this guy at the combine.

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Speaker 2: One of my.

757
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Speaker 3: Little pet peeve things, like you say, it drives you

758
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: nuts when people say that guy's sticks. Yeah, great white

759
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: shark has instincts, all right. You know, Patrick Willis didn't

760
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: just wake up like that. He worked on it and

761
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: learned it in his craft.

762
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: Salmon doesn't swim all the way up the stream to

763
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Speaker 4: lay its eggs because it wants to and get eaten

764
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Speaker 4: by bears the whole way.

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Speaker 3: That's one of those things for me that people say

766
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: all the time is the Steelers aren't made to come

767
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: from behind. True, nobody in the NFL is really you know, like,

768
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: if you're consistently falling behind in the first quarter gets

769
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 3: real hard. Hey, if you're the Chiefs and the Bills

770
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: and you got you've got Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase,

771
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: it might be a little bit easier.

772
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: But nobody being back against the Eagles or Ravens is

773
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 4: really hard.

774
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 3: Really hard, right, I mean, and even again, like a

775
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: team like the Eagles is a good example the way

776
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 3: they want to run and control the ball.

777
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Speaker 4: They're not built to come from behind. No, they're nots

778
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 4: is not to come from behind. I'm losing by ten

779
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: with seven minutes getting shotguns the field Again.

780
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Speaker 2: I realize there's nuance in there.

781
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: There are certainly teams that are better equipped to We

782
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: need to go score fourteen points real quick.

783
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Speaker 2: So let's go do it since you have to.

784
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: Well, to their credit, they can not right. Their defense

785
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: is so bad that we've seen it over and over

786
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: that if we can't do that, we would never survive.

787
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, everybody in the NFL is sitting there saying,

788
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: we better not fall behind at the start of the game.

789
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, We better not fall into

790
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 3: a hole in the first quarter. But the Steelers have

791
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: struggled with that more than others.

792
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 4: The worst US year, I mean flat out the worst. Right.

793
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers under center here for the Pittsburg Stellars. As

794
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: we've got another little team period action in front of us,

795
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 3: handoff to Jalen Warren takes that one up the hole,

796
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 3: met quickly by Alex high Smith, but no live tackling

797
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: ass Warren will bounce around and get some some pressure

798
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 3: from Joey Porter Junior trying to punch that thing out. Matt,

799
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Speaker 3: We've got a break to get to here, final segment

800
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Speaker 3: of the second Hour. On the other side, our buddy

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00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: Mick McQuaid gonna join us from Ireland for a special

802
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: Dublin anniversary.

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Speaker 4: Awesome that we will tell you about here a few times.

804
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: Show he is. He's a good time. Yeah, we got

805
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: to meet him at the Combine.

806
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: We've talked to him for a few times and he

807
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: will join us four o'clock our time, nine o clock

808
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: Irish time. He's staying up with us a little bit

809
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: all nine o'clock or for Mick out there. So plenty

810
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: of good stuff on the way here as we bring

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Speaker 3: on home the fourth and final acclamation period practice for

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Speaker 3: your Pittsburgh Steelers. It's all happening here on a special

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Speaker 3: Well stop me if you've heard this before. But practice

823
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: has been canceled a little early because of weather in

824
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: the area. And again, Matt, like we said, I was

825
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: joking about this with Max. I had to fill in

826
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: for for Rob today on in the locker room in

827
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: my never ending quest to do seven hundred radio shows out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Record, but by the time camp breaks.

830
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Speaker 4: I think I was a marathon man. But I can't

831
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Speaker 4: keep up.

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Speaker 3: You are, I mean you are too you you do

833
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: a ton of you do a ton of stuff as well.

834
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: For sure, practice being called once again here, Like I said, stop,

835
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Speaker 3: have you heard me this before? Lightning in the area,

836
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: weather in the area. I was joking with Max this morning.

837
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Speaker 3: The weather around here, it is like it's the old

838
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: Florida adage of if you don't like the weather, just

839
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Speaker 3: wait twenty minutes.

840
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

841
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: Like, and we just saw that play out three or

842
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: four different times today where it's gone from sunny to stormy,

843
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 3: stormy to Sonny, Rainy to to to Sonny.

844
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 4: Noticeably different than like downtown Pittsburgh in the suburbs too,

845
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 4: yhich isn't that far away?

846
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, noticeably different and real quick, those those those

847
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: ominous clouds rolling in here. And I don't know if

848
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: our microphones will quite be strong enough to pick it

849
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: up since we have the windows closed here in the

850
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Speaker 3: press box.

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Speaker 2: But like we've heard some boom and thunder a couple

852
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Speaker 2: of days.

853
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw lightning and then immediately everybody was like

854
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: that play ended and get out of here, get out

855
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: of here.

856
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that they cleared the bleachers, as you can imagine,

857
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: very quickly, with the fans there kind of telling everybody else, Hey, guys, sorry,

858
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: but like there's not gonna be any autographs. There's not

859
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: gonna the guys are heading. The guys are heading back.

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00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 4: To second time that's happened, or the locker.

861
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: Room, up to the facility. And yeah, two times out

862
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: of four, now practice has Now they did get a

863
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: lot in. I mean, they didn't get short changed too much.

864
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: The good news is both of those practices you probably

865
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: lost ten or fifteen minutes right like you were you were,

866
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: you were towards your last period or two, so obviously

867
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Speaker 3: less than ideal. But it's not like you got twenty

868
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Speaker 3: minutes in today and then had to call it for

869
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Speaker 3: the rest of the day.

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Speaker 4: I yeah, And again, hanging with some of you guys

871
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Speaker 4: last night, several people thought, oh, tomorrow might just be

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Speaker 4: a total wash, you know. So they got a lot

873
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Speaker 4: of good work in, which brings me to what we

874
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 4: were seeing very much at the end there, especially ones

875
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: versus ones and team. It was getting spirited, man, I

876
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 4: mean yeah, a little aggressive absolutely Friar Moose and Ramsey.

877
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: There was definitely some lineman stuff there. Someone must have

878
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 4: said something to Rogers or he overheard it, because just

879
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 4: what I didn't hear the conversation, but just the body language.

880
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: He whipped his helmet around and said something to the

881
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: defense that I would have paid a million dollars you

882
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: know it right, all right, right, like I'm being a

883
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 4: car if you up next time or whatever, who knows, But.

884
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: Wait till the pads go on on to yeah, yeah.

885
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, But I mean they're playing hard and I

886
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 4: thought it was really good and I think a lot

887
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: of it again, not the old line stinks, but I

888
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: don't think they're real happy with their performance against this

889
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 4: really really good defensive front is the crux of it.

890
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: And I think that frustration boiled.

891
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, things are there.

892
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: There is a security guard in a poncho running across

893
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: the field, and that pawn show looks like it's about

894
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: to rip off his body because hey, he looks like

895
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 3: he has a second person running behind him.

896
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: That's how far back that that poncho is dragging.

897
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

898
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: I think some of that. I think you're right. And hey, fine,

899
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: let's let's see a little pushback. Let's see uh yeah,

900
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 3: show me. As you mentioned, it's a young offensive line

901
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: against the veteran defensive line that might be one of

902
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: the best, if not the best, in the league. But

903
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: you got to punch back, you literally and figuratively. You

904
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: got to fight back. And and I think we saw

905
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: a little bit. And again, this is nothing crazy, no

906
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: all out brawls, know, nothing like that, but just some chippiness,

907
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: just some barking back and forth, some you know, hands

908
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: on each other for a little bit longer.

909
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: And I think you're right.

910
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: I think some of that is just the offensive line saying, hey,

911
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: these first four days haven't been our best and We're

912
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 3: not gonna take that line. It's like the old adage

913
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: of like the hockey teams down five to one in

914
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: the third period, all right, I'm gonna go punch somebody

915
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: in the face.

916
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: What I mean, It's like, we're not gonna take this

917
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: laying down type thing.

918
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: And I've I've noticed some national media when I'll read

919
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: like a Steeler preview in early July pre camp stuff,

920
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: you know, like, oh, this could be a voll little relationship.

921
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 4: You know, Roger's going to be on McAfee or is

922
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 4: Ramsey going to be chirping? You know, all these big

923
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 4: personalities when the team's not doing well, and that's valid,

924
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 4: you know, like they're if things don't go well, it

925
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: could get sort of disastrous outside the walls or inside

926
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 4: the walls. Sure, I think the Steelers are looking at

927
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 4: the other way though, like what's Tomlin's greatest strength? Handling?

928
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 4: Super competitive? Huge? You know, Ben ab all these dudes

929
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: with huge egos. Joey absolutely right, And I think they

930
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: brought in huge egos, huge personalities on purpose, you know,

931
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 4: Like I listened to the Move the Sticks podcast with

932
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah and Daniel Jeremiah's background is

933
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: a scout with the Ravens. And coincidentally, he got hired today.

934
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: I got fired by the Browns. Maybe even took my office,

935
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 4: I don't know. But he understands the North and he

936
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: he was the one first one that really made my

937
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 4: wheels turn about. He's like, when we were with the Ravens,

938
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 4: and this is those years with the Steelers, I mean

939
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 4: Steelers Ravens was by far the best and most physical

940
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 4: rivalry out there, and inside the Ravens wall, they had

941
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: a sight saying we have to build a bully. These

942
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 4: guys are bullies. And I know that's a bad word nowadays,

943
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: you know, but the job on a football field on

944
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: a Sunday afternoon isn't to be nice to your opponent.

945
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: You're not paid for your disposition, right.

946
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 4: Right, I mean Lloyd, this guy right.

947
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: Right, Sorry it was Craig Lloyd, not Jason Guilden.

948
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: Sorry, James Harrison. And these guys I mean, like I

949
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: think they want to get back to And coincidentally, I

950
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: know someone that knows Jayalen Ramsey very very well. In

951
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 4: friends with his dad and knows them very well. He said, boy,

952
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: he reminds me of James Harrison personality wise, you know,

953
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 4: Like I think they want bullies on the football field.

954
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: I mean, why a black doesn't play a finesse way

955
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 4: of football, you know what I mean? Like, I think

956
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 4: they are looking for big meant big personalities that are

957
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 4: highly competitive, someone like Rogers has a little something to prove,

958
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I've been joking around and I

959
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 4: bet it's true. But if I'm Tomlin, I'm like, hey, O,

960
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 4: man's that how you want to remember in New York,

961
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: you know, like a little bit, And I bet Rogers

962
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: bites back, like, hey, you want to remember for not

963
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: when the playoff we get together and figure in both

964
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 4: those trends, you know what I mean. Like if I

965
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 4: were both those guys, I'd be poking, poking, because you

966
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: know they're capable, you know what I mean. So I

967
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: really think an off season priority was get kind of nasty,

968
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: and we were seeing it a little bit on the

969
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: field here too, which.

970
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 3: I like, I do too, And I'm looking forward to

971
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: seeing how you beat the Ravens. That's how you beat

972
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: the Ravens, the Eagles, the Lions, A lot of the

973
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: best teams in the National Football League now.

974
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: That especially this division.

975
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: Especially this division. Yeah, that is their calling card. Matt.

976
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: We have got to get to our final break to

977
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: kick off our four o'clock hour. It's going to be

978
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 3: our buddy from Steelers Ireland, Michael McQuaid.

979
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: Old Mick is going to join.

980
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 3: Us to talk about a special anniversary twenty eight years

981
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: ago today since the first ever Steelers game in Dublin,

982
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: a thirty to thirteen preseason win over the Chicago Bears.

983
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: Cordell Stewart was involved, Jerome Bettis was involved.

984
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: Mick wrote a story on that. He talked to Cordell.

985
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: We're going to talk with him a little bit about that,

986
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: and then obviously just the hype around all this game

987
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: rolling into Dublin and everything that is going on there

988
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: across the pond.

989
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: We'll do that to kick off the four o'clock hour.

990
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: On the other.

991
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 4: Side, he could talk about this team and stuff.

992
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: It's more than just yeah, he's gonna be out here

993
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: at camp next week, so we're looking forward to seeing him.

994
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: So a lot to get to in the final hour

995
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: of the program before we before we get up out

996
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: of here today.

997
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: Hopefully it'll be.

998
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: A won't be quite as soggy as it is now

999
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: by the time Matt and I are going to leave

1000
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: about an hour from now, but we are still with

1001
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Speaker 3: you for the bonus hour of the special edition of

1002
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Speaker 3: The Drive Here. It's all happening on Steelers Nation Radio

1003
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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network.