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Speaker 1: We're talking football again with JJ Stangovitz. I'm Matt Taylor.

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Speaker 1: We're back on Radio Row. This is day two of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Combine in downtown Indianapolis inside the Convention Center.

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Speaker 1: We're joined on site right now by Cynthia Freeland, NFL

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Speaker 1: network analytics expert. Freshed It. Yeah, take two on that one.

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Speaker 1: Hit the time out button. But NFL Network providing live

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Speaker 1: coverage of the Combine March second through the fifth. We're

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Speaker 1: here to talk at all with Cynthia. Cynthia, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Indianapolis. How excited are you that the combine stayed

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Speaker 1: in town here for us? I never get the home

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Speaker 1: know who do I write a letter too? Can we

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Speaker 1: start a letter rating campaign? So far it's working perfect.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that would make the combine better is

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Speaker 1: if someone could get my dog here, because I became

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Speaker 1: became a dog mom this year and I just like,

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Speaker 1: very nice to your dog. But next combine you could

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Speaker 1: of its kill. Yeah, it's perfect. No, Gordy, my dog's

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Speaker 1: I know you're sick of talking about the quarterback. You're

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Speaker 1: making the rounds here, but unfortunately you know the cults

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Speaker 1: back drop and where they're at right now. I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm prefacing everything because I know this is

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Speaker 1: what we're going to get into. But for you, which

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Speaker 1: of the top quarterbacks analytically is the most intriguing going

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Speaker 1: into the draft? Intriguing to me means who am I

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Speaker 1: most interested to understand more about, um, not who I

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Speaker 1: necessarily think will go first in the draft. Right I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at Kentucky and I think maybe we'll like I

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Speaker 1: love that big arm. I know there are a lot

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Speaker 1: this is a really interesting quarterback year. This feels like

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Speaker 1: one of those years where the best one in five

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Speaker 1: years isn't going to come out of the first picks, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, no offense to Houston or whoever decides to

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Speaker 1: you gotta pick where you pick, right. But it feels

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Speaker 1: to me like this is one where you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to get the right fit, with the right system, with

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Speaker 1: because when you're looking through there's no to me, there's

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Speaker 1: no clear cut, like, there's no way Andrew Luck in

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Speaker 1: this draft, right, Like everybody says that, but you can

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Speaker 1: say that to Colts fans because you actually did get

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Speaker 1: most perfect prospect ever. To me, there's none of that.

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Speaker 1: So Will Levis to me, like, I like his film

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Speaker 1: So I think that it matters the fit all around.

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Speaker 1: for what they'd like to do in this next season,

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Speaker 1: given the achievable free agents and mix of players that

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Speaker 1: exactly what we need to know. That's real, that's the

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Speaker 1: real stuff. Are there stats that you often see carry

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Speaker 1: Row with US. I want to stay on on something

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Speaker 1: you just talked about the college game. How much of

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Speaker 1: at quarterbacks, and with a coach like Shane Stiken there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of NC double A stuff with Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: like overpaying running backs, but I don't like overpaying position right, Like,

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Speaker 1: maybe the Colts trade up analytically, like what what charts

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Speaker 1: it really does follow the equity that the Jimmy Johnson

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Speaker 1: I'll go if the Jimmy Johnson chart because that's what

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Speaker 1: I think people have convinced themselves that they're better at

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Speaker 1: so we'll go I'll go get this guy. I think

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Speaker 1: It's the same things you know every every other market,

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Speaker 1: seven other teams, and so your unique value, okay, like

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Speaker 1: like I actually think you should find efficient traits, like

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Speaker 1: People think I'm nuts for saying that, but I have

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Speaker 1: some cases where it's proved out, so you get the

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Speaker 1: darned player. Still they still gotta turn into a good player. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff is always se from the NFL network. Now Michigan,

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Speaker 1: I'm a Michigan native, Michigan native, but with Wolverine or Spartan, Well,

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Speaker 1: I went to I went to business school at Northwestern, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So while I'm a wild okay, i'm a wild above. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go. So none of the above. But that's

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Speaker 1: because like two hours, I kind of like them both,

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Speaker 1: which is there you go, weird Big ten country though,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. So I'm also like Indiana, pro do you Ohio,

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Speaker 1: and truly like I don't. I love the Big ten

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Speaker 1: and I love I live in southern California now, and

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Speaker 1: I love that I'm gonna be able to see like

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Speaker 1: my Big ten teams without leaving laid right there. That's right.

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Speaker 1: It's growing UCLA at USC joining the mix that seems

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Speaker 1: like a Big ten team whatever somebody who was transplanted here.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna admit something that I should probably not. But

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Speaker 1: I like EU and pre Do equally. You know, I

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Speaker 1: have nothing against either team. They're both cool and fun.

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Speaker 1: Has not a lot of people and everyone's gonna hate me.

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Speaker 1: Now it's great, No, it's all right. Well, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. I know you gotta run. Enjoy the rest

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Speaker 1: of your stay in Indie and always enjoy your work

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Speaker 1: on the Thanks guys,