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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The nobs addition, as we take

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Speaker 1: an in depth look at who the Bengals are going

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Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft. Obviously, I don't really know who

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Speaker 1: a look at ten players who have popped up on

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Speaker 1: mock drafts as the thirty third overall selection in this

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Speaker 1: year's draft, and you'll hear from people who have great

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Speaker 1: information about each player. Before we get to that, I'll

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Speaker 1: spend five minutes with Bengals head coach Zach Taylor. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: he is still not permitted to discuss the Bengals editions

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Speaker 1: in free agency. Teams can't comment until the players have

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Speaker 1: talk to Zach about Andy Dalton, age a Green, and

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Speaker 1: much more. The Bengals Boot Podcast is presented by Prime Sport,

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Speaker 1: for all you're doing to help us cope with this crisis. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get to football, all beginning with my conversation with

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Speaker 1: head coach Zach Taylor. As I mentioned, the league is

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Speaker 1: with Zach by asking him about the team's aggressive approach

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Speaker 1: this year. Did you feel like it was important to

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Speaker 1: change the perception around the league and also within your

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Speaker 1: just about improving our team. That's the whole focused on.

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Speaker 1: We don't again. Our motto has been it's about us.

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Speaker 1: us anticipated happening. You hap until July fifteenth to try

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Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt. We'd obviously like to see Aj in

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Speaker 1: something that he'll continue to get better at. But a

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Speaker 1: Denzel has those qualities. I think I've seen, you know,

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Speaker 1: at the collegiate level. I've seen Denzel display leaping ability

432
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: better than what we saw from Josh when he was here.

433
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Speaker 1: But the first one I would compare him to the

434
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: first one that comes to mind, would beat Josh Roordon.

435
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: And you know, you take away the off field stuff

436
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: with Josh and that's a I think a complimentary on

437
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: the field preparison. That's a wow to me. If you're

438
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: talking about Josh Gordon on the field, that's one of

439
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: the best wide receivers in the NFL. Yeah. Absolutely, he

440
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: absolutely was, and unfortunately just couldn't stay, you know, out

441
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Speaker 1: of trouble off the field. And let me make the point,

442
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: I think Denzel's going to be a really good citizen.

443
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: You know he's going to be He'll represent whatever team

444
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: drafts him, well, he'll he'll buy into the city wherever

445
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: he is. You know, there was never any off the

446
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: field issues with Denzel here at Baylor. Bengals beat writer

447
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: Paul Deaner Junior recently did a seven round Bengals mock draft,

448
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: and his second round pick was Oklahoma middle linebacker Kenneth Murray.

449
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Speaker 1: I spoke to the voice of the Sooners, Toby Rowland

450
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Speaker 1: a great first off. The thing that I think about

451
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: with him is his personality is he's got great charisma.

452
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: He has been a team leader from the moment he

453
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Speaker 1: stepped on campus. Not one of those lead by example

454
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: quiet guys. He's vocal, he's charismatic. Guys rally around him.

455
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Speaker 1: Well as for his play, everything you'd really wanted at

456
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: that position. Good size, six, two sixty three, great speed.

457
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 1: I would say as his career progressed at Oklahoma, he

458
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: got better and better at becoming instinctual. Early in his career,

459
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: you could tell he was trying to figure out what

460
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: gap he was supposed to be in, and he'd be

461
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: slow to the play a little bit. And you saw

462
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Speaker 1: last year especially, and even at the latter parts of

463
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Speaker 1: the year before that, he was playing very instinctual, hair

464
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Speaker 1: on fire football and flowing very well. So I think

465
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: he's going to be a tremendous pro. There's a track

466
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Speaker 1: record where he is concerned. He was a three year starter,

467
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of snaps to evaluate for NFL teams.

468
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Speaker 1: Do you consider his strength the run game or pass coverage?

469
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: I would say definitely the run game. I you know,

470
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: he's been a middle linebacker from the day he stepped

471
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Speaker 1: on campus, and to start as a freshman at that

472
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: position at Oklahoma is something. I mean, they've got quite

473
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Speaker 1: a history there all the way back to Bosworth and

474
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Speaker 1: Layman and Rocky Kalmus and on and on and on.

475
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: So he's an impressive physical specimen. I would say he

476
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: is average in pass coverage and way way above average

477
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: in the run game. You started out by talking about

478
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: him as a person, and I've read that he is

479
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: the son of a minister and his family helped raise

480
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Speaker 1: special needs kids. Is that where that foundation comes from.

481
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's the case we had. We saw several

482
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Speaker 1: examples while he was year of him helping out with

483
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Speaker 1: the patients at the OYU Children's Hospital. There's a big

484
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: connection between the OU football team and the OU Children's Hospital,

485
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: and they will come several of their patients will come

486
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: to practices, come to games in the locker room, and

487
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll see guys kind of adopt

488
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Speaker 1: a patient to be their buddy. And Kenneth was always

489
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: a favorite. All the kids loved him just because of

490
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: what we were talking about earlier. He's got an infectious personality,

491
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: he's got a big personality, he's got a lot of

492
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: charisma to him, and he's right in the middle of

493
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: everything on Saturday when you look at on the football field.

494
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: So this podcast is about candidates to be the first

495
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: pick in the second round. The Bengals have the thirty

496
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: third overall pick. Is that a good range for Kenneth

497
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: or do you see him as a potential first round

498
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: pick several picks ahead of thirty three overall. Yeah, my

499
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: hunch would be he's gone by then. I think you're

500
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: gonna have to move up into the first round to

501
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: get him. I think he's probably in the eighteen to

502
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: twenty five range. I've seen some mock drafts lately that

503
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: even have him closer to fifteen. Get Ever, know, once

504
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: you get into these things and trades start happening and

505
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: stuff like that, if Kenneth Murray is around with the

506
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: first pick of the second round, I think Cincinnati would

507
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: probably jump at the opportunity at him at that point.

508
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: Do you have any questions at all about his NFL potential? No,

509
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: I think that. You know, he had a hamstring situation

510
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: at the combine running his second forty time, he came

511
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: up lame, but that it appears everything is has healed there.

512
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: He is a tremendous physical specimen. He's got his head

513
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: on straight. I don't think you're gonna have to worry

514
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: about anything there from an attitude or a personality standpoint,

515
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: So I maybe pass coverage early in his career until

516
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: he learns the NFL game a little more, but I

517
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a great pro Before we get

518
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Speaker 1: to our next player. Here's a reminder that you can

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Speaker 1: take your Bengals pride to the next level in twenty

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Speaker 1: Another linebacker who recently appeared at the top of round

522
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: two in a mock draft is LSU's Patrick Queen, and

523
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: this is another case where he's not the only player

524
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: on his team that could be under consideration. Several people

525
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: have suggested that it would be natural to select Joe

526
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: Burrow in round one and one of his favorite targets,

527
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson in round two. I discussed Queen, Jefferson and

528
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: Burrow with Tigers play by play man Chris Blair. Well,

529
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: that's one of those guys that I think did nothing

530
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: but absolutely dan just improve his stock as the season

531
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: that went along. You know, going into the year, calebon

532
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: Chanson alone with Michael Divinity were kind of the guys

533
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: that I think was on everybody's radar. But you know,

534
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: when you watch the game, and I'm sure scouts saw

535
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: it in person have been broke film. They began to

536
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: see that Patrick Queen had all of the assets and

537
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: had the high motor that the teams are looking for.

538
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: And to me, I think there's several on this team.

539
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: I know we're going to talk about Justin Jefferson coming up,

540
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: but you know there were several members of the Championship

541
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: Tigers that that kind of came on the scene early

542
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: and often as the season went through, and then we're

543
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: able to climax with big games on the big stages,

544
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: the SEC title game, the Peach Bowl, and ultimately the

545
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: National Championship game. And to me, Patrick Queen is one

546
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: of those that just jumped off the screen just in

547
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: the way that he played. I mean, you know, you

548
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: look at Devin White who came out of LSU two

549
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: years ago, and one of the things about Devon that

550
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I think impressed so many people was whether or not

551
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 1: he made the tackle regardless of where it was on

552
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: the field. You saw him around the football, he had

553
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: just an incredible way to cover side to side and

554
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: we all were stunned, frankly this year that we said

555
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: the same thing about Patrick I mean he was in

556
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: on plays wherever it was on the field, he was

557
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: great and run support, he could cover the middle of

558
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: the field in the passing game, and had the speed

559
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: and really to know how to find the football. And

560
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: to me, that's what makes him stand out. He's listed

561
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: at six feet tall, two hundred and twenty nine pounds,

562
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: ran a four five forty and he's only twenty years old.

563
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: Do you think he will get bigger and stronger. Yeah,

564
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's one of the things, you know, the

565
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: coaching staff at LSU talked about was, you know, as

566
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: the season went on last season, we would ask, you

567
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: know what about the emergence of Patrick Queen and Tommy

568
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: Moffat the strength and conditioning guru here at LSU, as

569
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: well as the defensive coaches. So we have, you know,

570
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: yet to begin to scratch the surface of where Patrick

571
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: Queen will end up. And I think they were kind

572
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: of referring to the fact that there's a chance for

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Speaker 1: him to get bigger and stronger. So when you put

574
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Speaker 1: the package as a twenty year old now going into

575
00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: a professional NFL weight program along with to speak, I

576
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: think you could end up coming out of that machine

577
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: as a monster. I read one Scott and report that

578
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: said great in coverage in the passing game, not as

579
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: strong in the run game. Is that fair? It's fair?

580
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean I think that some of his bigger plays. Obviously,

581
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: the interception against Alabama is one of the highlights of

582
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: Patrick Queen's career, and that was pretty good coverage downfield

583
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: against the great troup of receivers and a pretty dagon

584
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: good quarterback into a tongue baaloa. So I think you

585
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: probably would say his passing coverage as a linebacker's probably

586
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: his strength. But as the season went on, I mean

587
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: LSU gave up a lot of yards rush you during

588
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: the first maybe six seven games. I mean that was

589
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: the Achilles Seal of the LSU defense, not just Patrick Queen.

590
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: And then as you know, they got more healthy, they

591
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: had some improvements in depth on the defensive front. Suddenly

592
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: we realized this team wasn't so bad against the run.

593
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: You know, the thing that was held over LSU, if

594
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: you remember, was the run game that will miss put

595
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: together with their misdirection option play that kind of kept

596
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: them in the ballgame. And everybody said this LSU defense

597
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: can't stop the run. Well, they did a pretty good job,

598
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: and Patrick Queen was a part of that when they

599
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: absolutely shut down Georgia in the SEC title game. So

600
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: I think if you take his season as a whole,

601
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: you probably could say there's some improvement to be made there,

602
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: and no doubt he's going to make those improvements as

603
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: he gets older and more experienced. But I think Patrick

604
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: did a much better job as did the entire LSU

605
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: defense down the stretch of that championship run against the

606
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: rushing attack. What's Patrick Queen like as a person? Really

607
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: good guy? You know, it's it's one of the amazing

608
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: things about this team. And you could pretty much ask

609
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: me about any of the defensive or offensive standouts from

610
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: a year ago and I will talk about their team mentality.

611
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: And you know, coach Osaron talked about it all the time.

612
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't about the individual. It truly was about the

613
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: name on the front of the jersey, and Patrick kind

614
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: of itemizes that. He's a guy who against a good

615
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: set of linebacker caleban Chassau and Michael Vivinity, who already

616
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: mentioned some of the younger guys Marcel Brooks that got

617
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: some playing time there in the middle of the field.

618
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: They pushed each other. They were competitive, but they were

619
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: not afraid and didn't mind when the other guy had

620
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: the heck of a play. I mean, I can you

621
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: can go back and watch some of the b roll

622
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: of some of the games. The celebrations these guys had

623
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: for each other kind of stood out to me. So

624
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: when I think about Patrick Queen, I think about a

625
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: guy that is that his team first, me second, and

626
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, again being twenty years of age, with a

627
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: lot of talent, and I think a lot of upside

628
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: if I'm a coach, if I'm a coordinator, I want

629
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: a guy that's team first, and I think that's what

630
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: you get in Patrick Queen. Let's turn to another candidate

631
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: to potentially be the thirty third pick in the draft,

632
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver Justin Jefferson. One hundred eleven catches, fifteen hundred

633
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: forty yards, eighteen touchdown catches. Just scribe Justin He's gonna

634
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: be loved by whatever team he gets. The fan base

635
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: is gonna fall in love instantly with Justin Jefferson, and

636
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: he's a great story for those who don't know, you know,

637
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: maybe a two star. I think he got a little

638
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: bit of love from some of the sites that he

639
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: was a three star coming out of high school, and frankly,

640
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: the only reason he ended up at LSU is because

641
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: the two older brothers were standout players and the Tigers,

642
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, took a chance on him, and you know,

643
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: he played I think started as a defensive back. They

644
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: moved him into the wide receiver's room and he had

645
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder and he probably outworked everybody

646
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: on the team top to bottom, and you had a

647
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: breakout season. I mean, he was just a guy that

648
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: he was amazing to watch. If the ball was within

649
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: arms reach, Justin Jefferson made the catch, and he made

650
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: it against some pretty good defensive backs in the SEC.

651
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: And you know, Justin's just a fun loving guy. He's

652
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: a lot like Joe Burrow in the sense that I

653
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: always thought being around him, he walked that five line

654
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: between being confident and cocky and he never really deviates.

655
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: He's confident in his abilities and why shouldn't he be.

656
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: He's got the numbers to back it up. And frankly,

657
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: I felt like him not being a finalist for the

658
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: bulletin the Golf Award was a complete slight last season.

659
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: No question. His teammate Jamar Chase was the best receiver

660
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: in the country, but I felt like Justin should have

661
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: been in that semi finalist, and I think the fact

662
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: that they were teammates probably went against him. But he

663
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: is a heck of a player. He's got speed, he's

664
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: got great hands. He was part of that trio of

665
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: receivers at LSU that used the jugs gun on their

666
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: own without coaches and handled ten thousand passes off the

667
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: judge machine just to make sure that if their quarterback

668
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: put it in their vicinity, they were going to make

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00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: the catch, and more times than not, if it was

670
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: in the air, Justin Jefferson came up with it. Seventy

671
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: eight percent of his snaps came in the slot. Do

672
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: you see that as being Justin's role in the NFL?

673
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: You know, I think so. Just I mean again, you know,

674
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: I think he's got a chance to get a little bigger,

675
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: But I think vertically he's probably where he's going to be,

676
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: and I think he becomes at least at the college

677
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: level and the high power five level. He became quite

678
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: quite troublesome for teams to be able to fit to

679
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: defend him in the slot based on the skill set

680
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: he possesses. You know, again, he's good, runs very Chris Browns.

681
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's impressive when you go back and

682
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: watch the film. You know, Joe Burrow was fantastic. The

683
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: receivers got great hands, but they were very good at

684
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: finding the creases on the field against defenses, and a

685
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: lot of that goes to the skill set that Justin has.

686
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: And it seemed to work time and time again in

687
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: that slot position because more times than not he was

688
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: matched up with a guy that either wasn't as past

689
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: or wasn't as tall, or wasn't as athletic, and that

690
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: became a weapon that lsu used over and over and over. Obviously,

691
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: the level is gonna move up quite a bit in

692
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: the league, but I think that that's a good place.

693
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me if that's kind of what his

694
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: specialty is, you know, moving down the road in his

695
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: career as a dangerous slot receiver. Chris, you know how

696
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: this works. Scouts have to find something to pick these

697
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: guys apart with. So one of the things I've read

698
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: about where Justin is concerned is that Joe Brady did

699
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: such a great job as a coordinator that Justin was

700
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: schemed wide open. What do you think of that? Yeah,

701
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 1: I mean I can see where you know, I won't

702
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: completely deny that that's not something that could exist simply

703
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: because you know, you had three receivers that on any

704
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: given day for LSU would go over a hundred yards receiving.

705
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: And it started with Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, and then

706
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: even Terris Marshall, and usually Marshall and Chase where you're

707
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: you're wide outs and as I said, and you mentioned,

708
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: Justin would be in the slot, and there were times

709
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: where they would teams would try bracket coverage and usually

710
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: it started out on Jamar Chase and then like in

711
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: the you know, the Oak Home of game, Justin Jefferson

712
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: ran free. I mean it was just phenomenal. It looked

713
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: like he and Joe Burrow were the only two players

714
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: on the fields. And again, part of that is scheme.

715
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: But but I think that's too big a slight to

716
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Speaker 1: say that there's not much more done by Justin Jefferson

717
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: to make the plays that he made throughout the season.

718
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: But you're right, I mean, these guys got to come

719
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: up and look at everything from upside and down. And

720
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: there are arguments to be made that obviously there were

721
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: there were coverage attempts and focus on either Jamar Chase

722
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: or even Fad Moss at times as the as the

723
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: very talented tied in that allowed Justin Jefferson to kind

724
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: of find his way wide open against the given defense.

725
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: But but I think you could make that argument, but

726
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that that's what made Justin Jefferson as

727
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: good as he is. So this podcast is about candidates

728
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: to be the thirty third overall pick in the draft.

729
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: But I've got to ask you about Joe Burrow. Stats

730
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: speak for themselves. Describe what it was like to be

731
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: around him last year. You know, it's funny I get

732
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: accused blatantly and I openly admitted I looked through purple

733
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: and gold lenses when when we're talking about LSU. That's

734
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: that's what I'm paid to do. And obviously I'm the

735
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: president of the Joe Burrow Fan Club. But I was

736
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: a fan of Joe Burrow when he arrived on campus

737
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: in June of twenty eighteen, and at that point he

738
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: was a backup quarterback at Ohio State. That's all very

739
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: little time. There are the roads littered with stories about

740
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: guys in Joe Burrow's position transferring somewhere, and there's a

741
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: reason that they didn't start at Ohio State. And it

742
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: become very evident Dan early on. We couldn't figure out

743
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: why he wasn't playing more than he was at Ohio State,

744
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: because he was just phenomenal, but more than the numbers

745
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: in the most touchdowns throne in college football history. His

746
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: accuracy throughout the season, you know, pushing dang there eighty

747
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: percent most of the year. It's the way he approaches

748
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: the game. And that's what stood out to me about

749
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. I mean, he's got all the tangibles. I mean,

750
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: he's got the hike, he's got good enough speed, he's

751
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: got that gallop. I like it himTo a thoroughbred horse.

752
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: He's not super fast, but his legs are so long

753
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: that he tears up and turns up grass quicker than

754
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: maybe you realize. Beyond all of that, just the way

755
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: he prepared. When I saw Joe Burrow, I saw him

756
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: prepare for games, prepare in the offseason, the way a

757
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: professional football player prepares. I think a lot of that

758
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: has to do, obviously with his older brothers and his

759
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: father being a long time and very successful coach. But

760
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: I also think it's it's the want to in the

761
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: drive that's just inherent who Joe Burrow is, and that,

762
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: to me is what makes Joe Burrow great. People ask

763
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: me all the time if you think it's going to

764
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: translate to the next level. I don't know. There's so

765
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: many variables involved there. What I do know is that

766
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: he's got everything that it takes mentally, physically, is the

767
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: way he prepares for a game, the way he breaks

768
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: down film, the way that he is just tenacious in

769
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: his preparation. That everything's there for him to have a very,

770
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: very successful NFL career. Baton Rouge is obviously New Orleans

771
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: Saints Country, but it sounds like if Burrow is the

772
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: number one overall picked by the Bengals, Cincinnati will instantaneously

773
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: become the second favorite NFL team in those parts. There

774
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: will be an absolute tunnel that will suck just about

775
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: every Cincinnati Joe Burrow merchandise that's allowed that will be

776
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: drilled all the way here to Louisiana. There's no doubt

777
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: about it. Wherever Joe Burrow goes, he's gonna have an

778
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: instantaneous fan base inside the boot of Louisiana. This week,

779
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: the Sporting News came out with a two round mock draft,

780
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: and their selection at thirty three overall was Michigan interior

781
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: lineman says our Ruise. We get the scoop on him

782
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: from Michigan radio voice Jim brand Staff. Well, he's a

783
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: good quality football player. You know, I'd call him a

784
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: steady Eddie kind of guy. He's very smart. That's why

785
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he's a great center prospect because

786
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: he can call both sides, blocking assignments to the line.

787
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: He did play early as a bit of a guard,

788
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: so he's got some position flexibility. But the big thing

789
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: is is he's steady. I mean, he's never gonna, you know,

790
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: make the big mistake. He's gonna get everybody on the

791
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: same page. I like his ability as a center, as

792
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: a quarterback of that offensive line, and physically he's got

793
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: all the tools and he's played in a shotgun offense.

794
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: He's played with a guy under center, so he can

795
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: handle all that technical stuff too. The Bengals have a

796
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: greater need at guard than center, although their center could

797
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: play guard if he had to do, You think that

798
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: Ruiz could make that transition successfully back to guard. I

799
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: think he could, but I think his natural position is center.

800
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: I think that's where he should play. To be quite frank,

801
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: that's just the way he is. He's played center for

802
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: what three three and a half years now. The guard

803
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: situation happened because you know, they really needed him at

804
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: that point to step into play guard, I think as

805
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: a true freshman at Michigan, but his natural position. Once

806
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: he got at center, there was nobody going to get

807
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: him out of there. That's how good he was at center,

808
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: playing big ten opponents and doing a great job against

809
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: some of the really good defensive lines in the game,

810
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: like Wisconsin and Ohio State. Michigan State, they did a

811
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: great job against that those lines, and to be quite frank,

812
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: Caesar was the middle of it. And he was the

813
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: one that kept that veteran off as a line of

814
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: Michigan's last year on the same page, blocking some of

815
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: those lines. Jimmy's only twenty, so he'll be one of

816
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: the younger guys in the draft this year. What does

817
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: that say about his potential to continue to improve? Oh,

818
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 1: I think it's huge. I mean, I mean that there's

819
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: a starting center there for ten years. I mean, if

820
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: he stays healthy and he did it, he did it

821
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: in Michigan. But you're looking at a guy that you

822
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: know for ten years. You can kind of pencil whom

823
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: in as a center. And you know, any coach in

824
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: the National Football League when you've got a guy that's

825
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: that consistent a year in and year out, and you

826
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: can just pencil whom in, boy, it's like having two

827
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: players because you know you've got a guy that's going

828
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 1: to step up and not hurt you and give you good,

829
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: solid years of service. And he's young and he's a leader,

830
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: and that's I think very important to teams in the

831
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: National Football League these days. After about the first ten picks,

832
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: it's really hard to project where a guy is going

833
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: to go. Do you think there's a decent chance he

834
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: will be there at the top of the second round?

835
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: You know, in the NFL draft, it's so hard to say.

836
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been around him so often. It's it's

837
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: like at some point you think he got it figured out,

838
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: and then there's a run on something and boom, all

839
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, your entire draft goes off the wall.

840
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's what the way it is.

841
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: Every year. So you know, if all goes according to plan,

842
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: which never happens. Yeah, I think he'd be available late

843
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: first round. But there's somebody out there that Mike say,

844
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: you know what, we really want this guy because two

845
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: other guys have come off our board and he was

846
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: a top guy on our board, and we can get him.

847
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: Let's get him. And that's just something that you don't know, man.

848
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that as the draft goes,

849
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: it's a living, breathing entity all by itself, and it

850
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: changes pick to pick. What's he like as a kid,

851
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: great kid, really a good kid. Very he's not real

852
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: rai rai. You know, he's just a business guy. He

853
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: goes about his business. He's very bright, very intelligent. He

854
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: and Michael Wayne, who is the big guard at Michigan,

855
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: they were buddies. And you know, Caesar, because he was

856
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: a veteran and a leader, would always go to the

857
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: media sessions and he handled himself very well. But not flamboyant,

858
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: not outspoken. Not one of those guys is going to

859
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: give the other teams some locker room blackboard material. Just

860
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: a real solid kid. Jeff Hobson's most recent mock draft

861
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: on Bengals dot Com. Cincinnati's second round selection was Colorado

862
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: wide receiver Laviska Chenault. Here's the voice of the Buffalos,

863
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: Mark Johnson. Well, he was a guy and I told

864
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: this story frequently, Dan, that coach Gary Barnan, who does

865
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: the broadcast with Vicerus, was a phenomenalo coach at Colorado Northwestern.

866
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: And I were standing in the practice field one day

867
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: and Less Steckel happened to be at practice one day,

868
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: who Gary had coached with, and a little longtime Collins

869
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: Nantaville coach, and the three of us are standing there

870
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: talking and Laviska Chanel was just running a fade down

871
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: the sideline just a few yards from ums and without

872
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: even looking, just hearing him run by and catching the football.

873
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: Less Steckel stopped mid sentence and said, who's that guy?

874
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: And he turned around and we were telling about he

875
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: goes that's the nearest thing I've seen to Michael Westbrook

876
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: since that coach Michael Westbrook. So there was a veteran

877
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: coach who just you know, just because he heard him

878
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: run by, they already knew he was a great at

879
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: began to watch him to talk about him. But you know,

880
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: Gary's talked about him. I've talked about him over the

881
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: course of his time at Colorado. He's a physically impressive

882
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: human being who is dynamic and violent at the same time.

883
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that's got suddenness and that

884
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: what was kind of fun about calling his games for

885
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: three years. Mark tell me about his ability to make

886
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: people miss, Well, he's got that, and unlike a lot

887
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: of wide receivers, he's got running back jenif. I've heard

888
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: people say that when he catches the ball, he turns

889
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: into a running back and if you go back and

890
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't have the numbers off the top of my head,

891
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: but over the course of his three years here at Colorado,

892
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: his yards after catching contact were unbelievable because of the

893
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: ability we're talking about. He's got wide receiver speed, but

894
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: because of that thickness, and he's one of those guys

895
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: Dan that when you look at him for the waist down,

896
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: you're hard to believe. You find it hard to believe

897
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: he's a wide receiver. He was one of the guys

898
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: used to squat with the offensive line because of the

899
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: power on the lower half of his body, and so

900
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: he was awful the press of the watch in that

901
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: regard because when they got the ball of his hands,

902
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: now he was fasting up to run away from people.

903
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: One of his great touchdowns here at Colorado was in

904
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: a game against usc where he turned and ran away

905
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: from La Bree NFL guys in that second they are

906
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: And so he's got speed, but he's also a kind

907
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: of his mind contact. Now. Now that caused him a

908
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: couple of you know, bruises and bumps during the course

909
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: of his college career. But well, he's got the ability

910
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: both to run by somebody and to run through somebody.

911
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: It's really interesting because the website Pro Football Focus does

912
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: a comparison for every player that they're evaluating, and they

913
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: compare him not to a great wide receiver, but to say,

914
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley backing up exactly what you were just saying. Yeah,

915
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: and I can see that, and we saw it right away.

916
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: I'll never forget the first time I walked out in

917
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: the practice field and his first one year, three years ago.

918
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: Here it is his August and we'd heard the name,

919
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: and obviously that name Labiscus should stands out. So I

920
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: threw remembered him, walked on out there and here and

921
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: how We're standing of watching the team and finally I

922
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: looked at him and I thought, well, who is that guy?

923
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: Because this big, big, muscular linebacker looking at type human

924
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: being was working out with the receivers at the time,

925
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: and we figured out very quickly that was Labisca. So

926
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: he does. I'm not surprised by that comparison. That's what

927
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: he looks like. Now. He doesn't always play that way

928
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: because of those wide receivers guilty brings. I think he's

929
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: a decent round runner, Dan. He's got very good hands.

930
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: He tracks the ball exceptionally well. He had a game

931
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: winning touchdown and linked to the Braska a couple of

932
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: years ago in which he had guys hanging all over

933
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: him and he's you know, he kept that vision, those

934
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: eyes on that football, and so he's got those abilities

935
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: as well. I think he can get better as a

936
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: round runner. That's going to come with time, I think.

937
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: But from a physical standpoint, boy, there's there's not much

938
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: question about Labisco. Shot all, he aggravated a core muscle

939
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: injury at the NFL scouting Combine and elected to have surgery.

940
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: How big of a concern is his durability? Well, and

941
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: that's been the big question. I've got certainly enough friends

942
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: that you know are covering the NFL and are dealing

943
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: with general managers, and I ask the question I'm gonna

944
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: asked a number of times about him. For the most part,

945
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: the stuff he had and weren't very concerning. Now, even

946
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: that court injury that you're talking about, I think the

947
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: only concern from I understand that general manners in the

948
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: NFL and were why didn't he get that taken care

949
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: of as soon as the season was over, Because it's

950
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: one of those things that can be an issue, and

951
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: it can be nagging, but it's not necessarily a serious

952
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: insur Injuriano plug you a former BOMs who played the

953
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: NFL and had that injury. They've all told me it

954
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: was pretty simple to get over. You get the surgery done,

955
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: it's a pretty quick recovery, and you get back to it.

956
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: So I think he gotten a little bit of bad

957
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: advice after the season. I know that the former coach

958
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: here at Colimento, melt Tucker, had been pleading with him,

959
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: he was a long time NFL coach, to get it

960
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: taken care of. Somebody advised him differently, and I think

961
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: he made a judgment air there now from an injury standpoint,

962
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: in terms of durability because of that violent nature, I

963
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: think he took probably more hits in college than maybe

964
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: he will in the NFL. What I mean by that

965
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: he was such a weapon for Colorado. They utilized him

966
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: at times I felt a little bit more than maybe

967
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: they should have got the previous two stands, to be

968
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: honest with you here, So I don't know that NFL

969
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: coaches are gonna make that same as State, but he

970
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: was certainly, I think something that that people going to

971
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: be aware of because of the bumps of bruces he

972
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: had here to you, Statistically, he dropped off from his

973
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: junior year to his senior year eighty six catches to

974
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: fifty six. Was that injury related? It was because the

975
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: core injury were talking about that hit him. I'm trying

976
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: to remember. I think it was about five games end

977
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: of the season, so he missed some time there and

978
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: then I think they were trying to manage that down

979
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: the stretch of the season. So it certainly was not

980
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: an issue with him in terms of his ability. It

981
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: was more of a cautionary any thing, but accountable a

982
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff. They they were trying to nurse him through it,

983
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: get him to the end of the year, try and

984
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: get the bus to a ball game, which didn't happen.

985
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: But the number drop off was certainly not I think

986
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: anything related to him in terms of his game. It

987
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: was more than than the health issues. Our tenth and

988
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: final player is one of the most productive pass rushers

989
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: in this year's draft, Boise State defensive end Curtis Weaver.

990
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: He was Cincinnati's second round selection according to a recent

991
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: mock draft posted on draft site dot com. Here's Boise

992
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: State broadcaster Bob Bheeler, Well, it's a guy that has

993
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: transformed his body and improved every single year that he

994
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: got here. The first season he was here that he

995
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: redishirt and he was listed on the roster at two

996
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: eighty seven, but I remember that spring when he was

997
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: in high school listed as a three hundred plus there

998
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: and when you saw him that first year that he

999
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: was being ministered, he looked at a roly poly lin.

1000
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: He's now listed at two sixty five sixty three, really cut.

1001
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: So he's a guy that has really transformed his body

1002
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: since he's been here. As a redshirt freshman in twenty seventeen,

1003
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: he had eleven stacks. He had nine and a half

1004
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: stacks in eighteen, and then last year he had thirteen

1005
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: and a half stacks, So he holds him out West

1006
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: record thirty four career stacks. Very quick, as a great motor,

1007
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: works very hard, good teammate, and somebody that I really

1008
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: enjoyed dealing with when he was here. He always had

1009
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: a smile on his faith and I think people enjoyed

1010
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 1: playing with him. Bob. He was clearly an elite pass

1011
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: rusher all about the red of his skills. Up front?

1012
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: Can he stop the run? I don't know. If he's

1013
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: big enough to play in the down four would be

1014
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: my biggest question at two sixty five, But he didn't.

1015
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: He didn't go back and pass coverage a whole lot.

1016
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 1: They used him a little bit kind of as a

1017
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: defensive end slash outside linebacker. So for me up front,

1018
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: the question would be, you know how big you need

1019
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: to be to play in the down three or the

1020
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: down four if you're wanting to use him up there.

1021
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: And then my question if you use him as an

1022
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: outside linebackers, how quickly can you develop somebody in the

1023
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: more of something it's gonna play off the line, And

1024
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: maybe had to cover an addition to rushing. Based on

1025
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: what I've read, he doesn't appear to be an elite athlete,

1026
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: certainly not a bad one. His three cone drill timing

1027
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: was excellent at the combine, but not a freakish athlete.

1028
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: Is that fair? Yeah? I think so he's a good athlete.

1029
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: I don't think he's somebody that you're just gonna see

1030
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: numbers and everything pop off the chart. I think he

1031
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: studied well. I think he was a smart when he

1032
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: was here, So I think that would be something that

1033
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: would you know, help his causes and looks at film

1034
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: and always seemed to be prepared. He seemed to, you know,

1035
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: know how to take advantage of other team's weaknesses. But no,

1036
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't think he's somebody that you're just gonna be

1037
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: wild with as a physical SPECIs. But not that he's

1038
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: not a very good athlete or somebody that would you know,

1039
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: certainly be able to you know, run fast or you know,

1040
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: lift weights, et cetera. Tell us about Curtis as a person.

1041
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: He's a lot of fun. I mean, he's one of

1042
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: those guys that you know when you have an interview,

1043
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: he's somebody that's articulate, he'll, you know, carry on a

1044
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: conversation with you. I always enjoyed, you know, he was

1045
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: a guy for us that was you know, each game

1046
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: they picked a couple of players for postgame shows, or

1047
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: we did boach shows, or we had different players. So

1048
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: from my standpoint, um, he was always great to deal with.

1049
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: As I said, I think he was viewed as a

1050
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: very good teammate, somebody that you know, I think had

1051
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: the ideas of what makes the team better at heart,

1052
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: as opposed to maybe something somebody that just wants to

1053
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: look out for themselves and pat their stats. Bob, do

1054
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: you have a possible comparison for him? Does he remind

1055
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: you of any other Boise State players or anybody else

1056
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 1: you've seen against the Broncos over the years. I don't

1057
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: think he'd be as good as a vander Esh coming

1058
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, because I think vander Esh was able

1059
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: to be used in his position more naturally feeling, you know,

1060
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: what he was asked to do here versus what the

1061
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: Cowboys asked him to do. But I'm terrible when it

1062
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: comes to projecting people for the pros. Sometimes that instiment,

1063
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: oh they're not going to make it, and then they

1064
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: end up making it or oh, I can't believe they'll

1065
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: be a camp miss guy. And you know, I think

1066
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: a lot of it depends on scheme they get in with,

1067
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: coaches they get in with. But I really like Curtis.

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