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Speaker 2: I'm Drey Kirby, and we got the full squad on

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Speaker 2: today's edition of No Dunks, Skeets, Task Lee, and the

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Speaker 2: man making the Magic happen jd. We're all very excited

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Speaker 2: because joining us on the show today is a first

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Speaker 2: ballot NBA Internet Hall of Famer, the host of the

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Speaker 2: Smash Hit show NBA Desktop, the host of the smash

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Speaker 2: hit podcast Binge Mode. He's currently crushing it with the

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Speaker 2: Connect and moving to Crooked Media. He won an Emmy,

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Speaker 2: but he's not even a Master Network and No Dunks.

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Speaker 2: They said it couldn't be done. Thanks for you're joining us,

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Speaker 2: Jason Concepcion. So happy to have you on the show.

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Speaker 3: So happy to be here. I just love to prove

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Speaker 3: the haters wrong once again. I know they must be

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Speaker 3: sick right now and it makes me feel good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sucks for you haters, but we got to bring

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Speaker 2: you the classics everywhere. We're gonna do it. Unfortunately, today

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Speaker 2: we got to start the show with some sad news.

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Speaker 2: Celtics legend Tom Heinzen passed away Tuesday at the age

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Speaker 2: of eighty six. Most basketball fans now no. Heinzen is

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Speaker 2: the color commentator on the call for Celtics home games.

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Speaker 2: But the guy was a Boston lifer. Joined the Celtics

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Speaker 2: organization fifty seven years ago as a player when he

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Speaker 2: won Rookie of the Year. He made six All Star teams,

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Speaker 2: won eight titles in nine years, went to the broadcast

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Speaker 2: as a coach where he won another two titles and

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Speaker 2: a Coach of the Year. After that, back to the

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Speaker 2: broadcast booth for forty years of calling out corrupt referees,

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Speaker 2: comparing every shot blocker to Bill Russell, and basically inventing

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Speaker 2: the term homer Celtic games, They're not gonna sound saying

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Speaker 2: without Heinzen and his Tommy Points are thoughts and prayers

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Speaker 2: are with the Heinsen family and the Celtics organization. Definitely

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Speaker 2: a bummer way to start the show.

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Speaker 3: Rest in power, Ultimate Homer.

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Speaker 2: The Ultimate Homer. I would love to have earned a

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Speaker 2: Tommy point back in the day. Some incredible clips have

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Speaker 2: been going around on Twitter. You can find them all

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Speaker 2: a great Greg steamsmo one today where he was compared

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Speaker 2: to the shot blocking timing of Bill Russell didn't totally

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Speaker 2: turn out that way, but some great stuff to go

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Speaker 2: back and listen to, no doubt, Jason's been a busy week.

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Speaker 3: And a half.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe I looked it up. It's only been

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Speaker 2: eleven days since you broke a whole bunch of news.

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Speaker 2: It feels like eleven months. But it was Halloween weekend.

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Speaker 2: You announced the series finale of NBA Desktop, the end

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Speaker 2: of your legendary run with the Ringer, and that you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be joining Crooked Media later on this November. Then

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Speaker 2: we had a full week of the election that won't stop,

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Speaker 2: which a tremendous Saturday, Joe Biden declared the winner. Rudy

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Speaker 2: Giuliani holds a press conference at four Seasons Total Landscaping. Jason,

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Speaker 2: one of these last couple of weeks been like for you.

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Speaker 3: Man, honestly, just a natural evolution from the last year

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Speaker 3: to year and a half where it feels like every day,

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Speaker 3: ten to twelve jaw dropping things happen that in past years,

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Speaker 3: I mean you said it has only been since, you know,

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Speaker 4: If you were doing like a politics version of them

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Speaker 3: It would be really it would be really tough. I mean,

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Speaker 3: You'd have to go with four seasons total landscaping, just

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Speaker 4: But like, isn't the problem if you were in the

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Speaker 3: And then the next level, the levels to it, is

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Speaker 1: I like having twenty twenty. We're all living in the

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Speaker 4: It also feels so full circle to me because all

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Speaker 5: That's Juliani, who, just a week or so earlier was

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Speaker 5: And it's just like and now he's seeking a press

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Speaker 4: Shop, Like where does he go from here? Though?

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Speaker 5: I mean talking about being at LA with all those riders. Okay,

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Speaker 5: so now what does he do? How can he tough

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Speaker 3: I don't even know. You know, he was my mayor,

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Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani. He famously was, you know, a attorney general

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Speaker 3: And I just think many the New York Mafia must

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Speaker 2: What is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: What were we doing? That's the thing. They just weren't

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Speaker 3: You know, Giuliotti really kind of grasped what the rico

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Speaker 3: it's not a great look to be beaten by this guy.

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Speaker 2: Wow, not a great look for that guy, no doubt

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Speaker 2: about it. Tough talking politics, though you've said in your tweet,

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Speaker 2: you said in your tweet you're gonna be joining Crooked

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Speaker 3: Uh No, I'll be doing you know, I can't talk

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Speaker 3: in that vein I'm not gonna I'm not just gonna

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Speaker 4: Leave the composting to task. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of landscaping, something we discussed. Do you think

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Speaker 2: what do you think is the difference between landscaping and gardening?

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Speaker 3: That's a great I actually, well, I know the answer

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, you passed the landscaping test. You can now hold

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Speaker 1: It's like you might be the landscaper of Crooked Media,

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I hope to. I hope to. I just hope to

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Speaker 4: Well, we appreciate that. Why why have you decided to

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Speaker 3: his minions accusing me of committing that crime. And I'm innocent. Wow,

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00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: I will not stand these slanders to my reputation.

436
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can't because you know, look you're going

437
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 4: into You're going to croust media talking about politics. You

438
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 4: might get actually into politics. You can't have that on

439
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 4: the record.

440
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: I can't have I can't have that kind of slanner

441
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: on my record. My record is clean. I have never

442
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: stolen a burrito or any kind of food stuff, and

443
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 3: I'm unaware of any missing burritos that have occurred during

444
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 3: my time at any particular their convenience store that I

445
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: have worked at.

446
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: Sounds like Shay's projecting. I'm just putting him in the

447
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's seat. I'm calling him for stealing burritos himself,

448
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: and he's projecting it on you as the burrito stealer.

449
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to I don't want to go there.

450
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 3: You said that. I didn't say it, but I am

451
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: not disagreeing. I'm just sitting here listening to that.

452
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 5: He often tweets how Mexicans are perfect, and he puts

453
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 5: a photo out of what he's eating, and there's often

454
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 5: a burrita there.

455
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: So listen. It's very compelling. It's a compelling case you're putting.

456
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: Together, usually with a cup of big red exactly. It

457
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: could be a big orange face.

458
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got the f O h army. We've got

459
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: the tweet of the weak Army. Let us know if

460
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: there's anything you can do to help out your cause.

461
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 4: Oh god, that'll be like a Game of Thrones scene there.

462
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 5: Together overlap though than those two groups.

463
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure there is. I'm sure there's overlap.

464
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: So we mentioned it earlier. You just finished up NBA Desk.

465
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: We gotta know. What's it like to win an Emmy.

466
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: Oh, it's as I've said before, it's an honor just

467
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: to win. It was really amazing, Like, yeah, getting dominated

468
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: first of all was absolutely incredible, and then winning it

469
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: in the moment, you don't feel that anything is has

470
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: really changed, you know, when you're there amongst like all

471
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: these people from ESPN and NBC Sports, at CBS Sports,

472
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: at ABC Sports, at Fox Sports. You know, with these

473
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 3: huge budgets that are doing stuff, it kind of feels

474
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 3: like you got away with one. At the same time.

475
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 3: You know, on that evening, there are just so many

476
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: people that talk to us afterwards. Eric Rideholme is one.

477
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: He's a pretty produced producer PTI and various other shows

478
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: across the ESPN's platforms. He was like, you, it's going

479
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: to change for you guys in terms of the way

480
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: you're perceived within the industry, and that has really been true.

481
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: You know it. We just try to put out the

482
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 3: best show that we could week after week. But what

483
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 3: really changed is you have a you have a level

484
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: of legitimacy once you win one of those, which I

485
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 3: don't think I appreciated until you know, you're in meetings

486
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: with people and like someone's introducing you as like Emmy winner,

487
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, yeah, we did do that. That's

488
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: kind of cool. It's not that yeah, it sounds it's

489
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 3: definitely sounds cool in a meeting. Yeah, so it was.

490
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: It was really amazing. Like I still to this day

491
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: can't can't believe. You can't quite believe that it happened.

492
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: We shook Scott Van Pelt's hand. He was very nice

493
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: to us.

494
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: That's awesome, And like you said, you're just trying to

495
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: put out the best show. There's been so many incredible

496
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: moments from NBA Desktop. I don't know exactly how many

497
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 2: episodes you end up doing. Do you have a favorite

498
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: moment from the show.

499
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 3: Oh, wow, it's over one hundred. I know that we

500
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: we blew past one hundred and didn't realize it.

501
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 4: Whoops.

502
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: So we were like Dylan Burkie, one of our production assistants,

503
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: told us, and so we had this plan in the

504
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: in our back pocket that we would like just drop

505
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: the hundred like this hundredth episode extravaganza. Even though we

506
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: were like on like one fifteen or whatever, we never

507
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: got to do it. I would say my favorites are

508
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: the the Disney episode for the Bubble Going into the Bubble,

509
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: where we did our whole show as a Disney musical,

510
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: taking songs from various you know, animated Disney movies and

511
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: repurposing them for the Bubble. That was really fun and

512
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: just great because we got to have some of our

513
00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: favorite people singing on that. I would say the which

514
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: was I think first first season or second season, which

515
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: which is when we were raising money to buy out Mellow.

516
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: That was great. When we did like a kind of

517
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: true crime thing on Kevin O'Connor getting locked Inside.

518
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 4: That's one of my favorites far.

519
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: I think that's actually one of our lowest viewed ones.

520
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: But honestly, every it just cracks me up every single time,

521
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: because not because it didn't happen, but because it just

522
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: kind of proves to you how easy it is to

523
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: poke holes in a story that's true, Like, we just

524
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: found so many funny things that like didn't quite line

525
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: up even though the story is absolutely true. We were

526
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: just like, well, first of all, look, this fence doesn't

527
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: line up with the fence that Kevin described it. We

528
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: just went point by point debunking Kevin's story that was

529
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: that was a really fun one.

530
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: You know, we've done not like desktop but obviously skits

531
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: before in our long history of this show too, And

532
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 4: again we know how much work goes into something like that,

533
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 4: and for you guys to pull off a lot of

534
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 4: those unique things every week, it's pretty impressive. Were there

535
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: times though, can you can be honest with me, like,

536
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 4: or you come up with the idea, it's pitch, maybe

537
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: you shoot it and then you're putting it together and

538
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: then everybody's like, oh god, I don't know about this.

539
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: We like did things, you know, I see the cutting

540
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: room floor basically.

541
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's happened before, but honestly, not that much. We

542
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: got lucky. There was a couple of things that we

543
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 3: had cut because maybe the idea wasn't quite baked in

544
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: terms of like which direction the comedy so to speak,

545
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: was like punching m hmm. Like we did one on

546
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: on Officer Alan Strickland, who is the Alameda Sheriff's deputy

547
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: who who is currently trying to sue messiahu jury for assault,

548
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: even though the bodycam shows that that is clearly not

549
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: the case. So we did a thing where we just

550
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: roasted him with hilarious names, or we thought hilarious names,

551
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: you know, for like a full minute of just like

552
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: names like the Shields, Michael Dickless and uh, you know,

553
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: Law and Order Special Sandwich Unit. Like we just went

554
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: on and on. But then when when it came out

555
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: it wasn't we were like, Okay, now it just seems

556
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: like we're making dick jokes. We have to make it

557
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: clear that the joke is that when he compared stopping

558
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: Massy from coming on the court to like stopping the

559
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: Munich massacre, that that's like, actually, you go beyond parody

560
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: at that point. So all that's left is just to

561
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: shit on this guy. So we delayed a week and

562
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: we reworked it as like a quicker thing. And there's

563
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: other stuff that we that we did where it was like,

564
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: you know, oh, will James Dolan sue us if we

565
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: go at him this hard and paint. But in terms

566
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: of like the stuff like straight out not Land, it

567
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: didn't happen too much. And that was really just having

568
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: some really talented people around us that we that we

569
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: work with a lot, Tyler Parker who's he often played

570
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: Alan Strickland and other people throughout our run, you know,

571
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: and just having access to some really really funny people

572
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: here in LA that we could call on to help

573
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: us with stuff just really helped. But yeah, that that

574
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: does happen on occasion where you're just like, oh, I

575
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: guess this is This wasn't as funny as I thought,

576
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: or the way we would need to execute this for

577
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: it to be funny is just way beyond what we're

578
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: able to do right now, you know.

579
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: For sure.

580
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: Sticking with Desktop, I know Trey Kirby made an appearance once

581
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: on Desktop.

582
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: Honestly, I want to apologize to you. I feel like

583
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: I've thought for two years that I watched my Spice.

584
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: Now I learned something valuable that day. Never bring up

585
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Suns, because even if it's a good line,

586
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: nobody cares. Nobody cares about the Phoenix Suns. I think

587
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: her had let their players coach and like like Draymond

588
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: Green was holding a clipboard or something, and everybody's like, oh,

589
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: this is so disrespectful to the Suns. Even I couldn't

590
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: get that fired up about it. But luckily, now that

591
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: the show's over, I can live with that regret for

592
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: the rest of my life.

593
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna ask, I guess it's not gonna

594
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: be Tray Kirby as your answer. What's the spiciest take

595
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 4: ever shared on desktop.

596
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: In your opinion?

597
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 7: Jason, Yeah, I mean, like Tyler Tynes, I think has

598
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 7: given various versions of Larry Bird, wasn't that good.

599
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: That's pretty spicy.

600
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: It's like pretty wild, but also you know, like not

601
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: it was pretty tongue in cheek. I would say that

602
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: that is probably the spiciest.

603
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: That happened on our show too. Lee Ellis said Larry

604
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: Bird was a streaky shooter, and.

605
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, we couldn't let that go away and we had

606
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 5: to reshoot that. I was just I couldn't.

607
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: I just couldn't.

608
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 4: Ye, Why did you say that it was the weirdest

609
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 4: thing we were we were.

610
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 5: All Star Weekend, I think, yeah, And I was talking

611
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 5: about Larry Bird and I said, you know, he was

612
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 5: a bit of a streaky shoot, it's great at speriend,

613
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 5: but no, there's no way I can put that out

614
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 5: on Yeah, so I threw a tantrum on set, so

615
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: I knew that we would have to reshoot it and

616
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 5: we did. Fortunately that that one never saw the light

617
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 5: of day because I would I would retire immediately from

618
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 5: any sort of basketball cover.

619
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, I love I love stuff like that

620
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: because to me, like you know, listen, you know it's

621
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: serian sports media takes our are part of the currency

622
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: of what we do. You know, you take a position

623
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: on something you're right or you're wrong, which is really

624
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: less important than the conversation that that position generates. Right,

625
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: So for us, Spice was like, what is the absolute

626
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 3: wildest position that you can take that you can then

627
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: justify rhetorically, almost like a debate exercise. You know, whether

628
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: you believe in it or not, can you actually justify it?

629
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: And to me that was what was fun about the exercise.

630
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 3: So to me like honestly that the more out there

631
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: the better for me.

632
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 4: And correct me if I'm wrong. Try you were there

633
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: so you can speak to this desktop. It's like filmed in.

634
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 4: It was filmed in like a closet, wasn't it.

635
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: First season was a closet. We won the Emmy, we

636
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: got upgraded to like a little you know those rollout walls. Yeah,

637
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: so we got we moved on to the bigger stage,

638
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: and we basically had a fake closet that was just

639
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 3: two walls with the background on it. So that allowed

640
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: us to have a little bit more leeway and have

641
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: some better camera angles, you know when we were in

642
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: the closet. But the hardest thing was was trying to

643
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: look at the person that we would have in the

644
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: room while and find the camera angle that worked because

645
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: we were legitimately just on top of each other all

646
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: the time. The closet, it was so ridiculously small. I

647
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: can't even describe it to people. One of the bits

648
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: that we wanted to do at one point was have

649
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: like do a late night talk show thing where we

650
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: have a full band, you know, full late night band playing,

651
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: but like in the closet. So they'd be like, eh,

652
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: it's NBA Deskop with Jason Septian and I would come in,

653
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: you know, we'd have a full audience in the room

654
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: and a full band, and I'd have to like climb

655
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 3: over the drums or whatever to I get to the desk.

656
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: We never quite got to do that, but it was

657
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: It's one of my regrets. So we never got to

658
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: do that to really just kind of like play into

659
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: the tininess of the space. And so then after that,

660
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 3: once we got into quarantine, I used a green screen

661
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: to kind of recreate our background right right right.

662
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 4: And my final question with desktop, you said that you

663
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: were worried at times, like, oh, maybe Dolan's gonna want

664
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: to sue us. Did you piss anyone off, you know

665
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 4: out there in the sports media world or player.

666
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: I heard that. I heard that was mad. I heard that.

667
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: I did hear that through the grapevine of people that

668
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: I know at ESPN were like, I think Woge is

669
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: a little mad at you. I'm not I think that

670
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: he I I'm not sure exactly what it was. I

671
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 3: think one of them was at the during the uh

672
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: during the All Star gave it Charlotte. I yelled, I

673
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: yelled something to the effect of, uh, you know, when's

674
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: the something like when's the last time you talked to

675
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: your son Sham's or something, or like or what did

676
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: your son get you for Father's Day? Something like that.

677
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: But then again. But again, that to me was that

678
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: was me complimenting woj because he is the master of

679
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: the of the of the nuclear woj bomb, right, And

680
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: anytime that I've talked about WOJ, I feel like in

681
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: my mind that I am acknowledging his primacy as just

682
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: the number one newsbreaker, basically a god in NBA circles

683
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: who we all absolutely must worship. Now, he might have

684
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: taken it the wrong way, and there was a period

685
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: of time when I was saying stuff like Woge, you know,

686
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: smack me over the head with a folding chair and

687
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: choke my life away, you know, like something like that,

688
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 3: or like woje drop a cinder block on my chest,

689
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: And I think he might have thought that I was

690
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: making fun of him, when really, Wog, mister Wog, I was.

691
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: It was nothing but a expression of my utmost respect

692
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: for you as a newsbreaker and as the hegemonic force

693
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: that you are within NBA Twitter.

694
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: I was getting into politics for sure, just everything. I

695
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: love it. I asked that question, that's fantastic. Wej is

696
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 4: an awesome guy too. I'm sure. I'm sure that starring

697
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 4: at Little Blown out of Purport, Ah, he's mad at you.

698
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard it from some that's true. I heard

699
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: him from some repulable sources. Do you I don't know

700
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: if you guys remember this, but the first time I

701
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: met you all was at a was at It was

702
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: at a New York event that you guys ran. It

703
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: was like a meetup, and Woj was there. I was

704
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: just yeah, and I was just like tweeting at the time,

705
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: like I was. I was not a person at that

706
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 3: particular time. I was just like a person on Twitter.

707
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: And I remember Woj was the first human being that

708
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: I ever saw in person who had like three phones.

709
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: He had like he was juggling like all these phones

710
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: and he had like two phones open and was like

711
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: typing in one. They put one away, and I was

712
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: just like, wow, Woj, Holy shit, there he is. It's Woj.

713
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 4: We were recording a live podcast with him. He was

714
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: juggling the phones while we were talking to there. Littenfeld

715
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 4: was the other the other guest that night. Well, okay,

716
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 4: I did not know you were there. I don't think

717
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 4: I was there. I was fantastic. What was the name

718
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 4: of that place called, I don't remember Frog or something

719
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 4: that Turtle Bay, Turtle, Turtle Bay. Ye, good call.

720
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: Good, great turnout. Shout out to New York. Perfect segue

721
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: as well. Jason, you're a Knicks fan, Yeah, I'm a

722
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 2: Bulls fan. I'm just thankful that the Knicks are such

723
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: a disaster the Bulls slide right on by.

724
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 3: How dare you?

725
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful. Two of the teams in the hugest

726
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: markets in the entire league, just completely incompetent. But luckily

727
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: your team is even worse. First question, I want to

728
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: ask you about the Knicks. When is the last time

729
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: you saw Eddie.

730
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 3: The movie Eddie? Yeah, Man, it's been a minute, it's

731
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: been probably it's been over a decade, for sure. It's

732
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: just too painful, honestly, to to to pretend that the

733
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: Knicks were relevant, even in fiction, like just be good, guys.

734
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: Just the team has the worst record in the NBA

735
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: over a twenty year span, Like that's incredible and should

736
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: not happen, Like it's one thing to be bad for stretches,

737
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: Like I think you could argue that with the Bulls, right,

738
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: they had they had some nice moments under Thibodeaux and

739
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 3: the Derek Rose years, and you know, there was some

740
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: bad luck there, but that's within living memory. That was

741
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: not like a million years ago, you know, And certainly

742
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 3: there's been mismanagement since, you know, and the previous coaching

743
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 3: regime was an absolute disaster. The guar packs years not

744
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: covering themselves in glory. That said, you make mistakes sometimes

745
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: when you're bad for two full decades, and the only

746
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 3: times that you were good were really these kind of

747
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: weird blips like insanity. And then the time that you know,

748
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: they put forty year old Jason Kidd, Rashid Wallace and

749
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: a bunch of other people around mellow and decided to

750
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: shoot threes and like stumble onto a small ball. That's

751
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 3: basically it for twenty years of Knicks basketball, those two seasons.

752
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: So it's been it's been very tough, and it's hard

753
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: for me to engage with stuff like Eddie. We're in

754
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 3: that fictional world the Knicks are good and means something.

755
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 3: It's very hard.

756
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Well, don't worry about it too much. Eddie is not

757
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: available on any streaming service.

758
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 5: Wow.

759
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: Evinced is because at the end, they they all come

760
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: and they occupy Madison Square Garden. They had everybody out

761
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: there on the court, forcing the owner to sell the team.

762
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: I'm convinced that the reason this isn't on streaming services.

763
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: They don't want to give anybody any ideas.

764
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you act like that's a conspiracy when I

765
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: think that that's not that far fetched, right, you know,

766
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: like Dolan is the is you know, extremely connected in

767
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: the immediate world form a board member of Live Nation,

768
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: like he controls the most important live venue in America.

769
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: Like there's a reason why his band opens for the Eagles,

770
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: and it's not because they're good, you know what.

771
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: I mean, because they're great.

772
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: Jason, Okay, you're right, that's true.

773
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: So you should have tried to get j D in

774
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: the Street shot to be the house band for NBA Desktop.

775
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 4: You probably would have taken that gig.

776
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: Honestly, I would have tried. I would have tried if

777
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: he that's a person that I think probably is mad

778
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: at NBA Desktop. Anyway, you act like that's a conspiracy.

779
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: I think that there. I wouldn't put it past. I

780
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 3: wouldn't put it pas Dola to be like get that.

781
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: I don't want that. I don't want that around. He's

782
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: extremely prickly and does not does not take criticism lightly.

783
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: No, that's probably probably true to some extent. Are you

784
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 4: gonna ask him. You're a big Knicks fan.

785
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that night you talk about when we all

786
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 5: met for the first time in New York. I remember,

787
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 5: I remember talking to you about the Knicks and it

788
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 5: was just after the Al Harrington era in New York.

789
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: What an era.

790
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 6: A lively conversation that like, but your level of frustration

791
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 6: was just off the hook because you talked about him

792
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 6: dunking to get the tech foul to lose a game,

793
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 6: and then.

794
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: Twice, and then and then a couple of weeks later

795
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: he was ringing the bell to open the ball street

796
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: at the down Jones on Wall Streek like, so this

797
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: was so this was the D'Antoni era, and you know,

798
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: every every win was an important win. And Al Harrington,

799
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: the Knicks were playing the Clippers and it's coming down

800
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: the wire, close game and Al Harrington dunks the ball

801
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 3: and hangs on the rim like alone and hung there

802
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: and so they checked him up. Nicks lose the game.

803
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: Nicks go to Los Angeles to play the Clippers, and

804
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: he does it again. It's odd he did it twice.

805
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 8: He lost the next two games for hagging on the

806
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 8: rim against the same team. It just you can't make

807
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 8: it up. It's unbelievable. Also, you guys may remember this, Al.

808
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: Harrington had a chimp. You guys remember this.

809
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: I know Mike Miller had a monkey.

810
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: I didn't know Alan, right, Alan. Mike Miller's monkey, I

811
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: think was like a one of the smaller monkeys. And

812
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: I believe his monkey us to ride his dog around

813
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: the neighborhood.

814
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

815
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: So, but Al Harrington had a chimp, and I don't

816
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: know what happened to I've been trying to find out.

817
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: But I remember during this time, it was like the

818
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 3: era of Al Harrington had briefly talked about his chimp,

819
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 3: but then there was no news. So during this whole

820
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 3: time time when Al Harrington was frustrating you so much,

821
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 3: I was also trying to find out what happened to

822
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: his pet chimp. I'm gonna look it up really quickly.

823
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: While Yeah, no, I gotta know.

824
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we gotta see what's up with this thing.

825
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: Errol Harrington. Here's an espianation twenty eleven. Al Harrington has

826
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 3: a smart chimpanzee, and there he is with it. I

827
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 3: don't know what happened to the chimp. I'll just say

828
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 3: that I've wondered all this time and al, if you're listening,

829
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: please get at us and let us know what happened

830
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 3: to the chimp.

831
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: Let us know for sure some spice I remember from

832
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: the desk top days. I think it originated on the

833
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 2: Ringer NBA show. But you brought Kevin O'Connor over, and

834
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: this was when things were falling apart for the Minnesota

835
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: Timberwolves and he says I would fire Tom Thibbodeau today

836
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: today it sounded insane. At the time, he was completely right.

837
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: Now Tom Thibodeau is the coach of the Knicks. How

838
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 2: do you think? What do you think about this new

839
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: Nick's brain trust of Leon Rose and William and Thibb's coaching.

840
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: Well, they have yet to do anything for me to

841
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: judge them on sure, so I'll say that it's it's

842
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 3: positive in the sense that you know, William Wesley obviously

843
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: super connected, Leon Rose obviously a super connected person. One

844
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: would assume that they understand the way the Knicks are

845
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: perceived in the wider NBA, you know, community, and that

846
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: hopefully they have open eyes about that and a reality

847
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: based about that and are dedicated to changing that, because

848
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: I think that's really important. You know, one of the

849
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: one of the things I think has kind of deviled

850
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: the Knicks over the years has been this idea of, oh,

851
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 3: we New York. You know, it's incredible. You come here,

852
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 3: we'll be able a statue to you if you win.

853
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: Players can't wait to play here, YadA, YadA, YadA. And

854
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: I think that's not necessarily the case. Hopefully leon and

855
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: and and Worldwide West will kind of, you know, be more,

856
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: be more, be more smart about the way they approach

857
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: free agency and approach their relationship with players. That said, like,

858
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know how many times we've been

859
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: through this. It's like, Oh, it's a new regime. It's

860
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: a new day, we're gonna we're gonna build the right way.

861
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: We're gonna build from the ground up. Blah blah blah

862
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: blah blah. Let's see it. I'd like to see it.

863
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: I want to see them do it. I want to

864
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: see them manage the cap the correct way. I want

865
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: to see them not throw big money at stupid players.

866
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: You know, I think that there have been a baby

867
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: steps in the right direction, even last season, which was

868
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: not a good season, but at least the players they

869
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: signed Julius Randall etcetera. Were not signed to these kind

870
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: of like crippling contracts. They were signed as a way

871
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: to kind of, you know, have an asset that you

872
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: could then move and you're not tied into assuming those

873
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 3: players played well, so that was good and they weren't

874
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: giving up picks the way they have in the past,

875
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: which is also a good sign for Thibodeau. You know,

876
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: he was I criticized him similarly in Minnesota. I think

877
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: that he would even say that his if he had

878
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: a failing it was like not really communicating well with

879
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: his players. That's aside from playing them like forty one

880
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: minutes a game, which I think is just a thing

881
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 3: that he's going to do. I've talked myself into it

882
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: because I'm irrational. I think that you know, if you

883
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: look at the if you look at the advanced numbers,

884
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 3: I think you can you can say pretty fairly, Okay,

885
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: Thibbs moves the needle in terms of his offense. He's

886
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: a good coach offensively and defensively. He makes a difference

887
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 3: in terms of communicating with the players. Hey, that's why

888
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 3: we have Leon and Worldwide West now right, so hopefully

889
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: they'll be a better flow of communication from coach to

890
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: player and up to the front office. And in terms

891
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: of playing players too many minutes. These guys are all young,

892
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: you know, my god, they're all young. They want to play,

893
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: they're all young, and they need the reps. So I'm

894
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: pulling for him. He's not the guy I would have

895
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: chosen off the bat, but I've talked myself into it.

896
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 5: Pulls a certainty then to go to the Knicks for

897
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 5: two first and Mitchell Robinson.

898
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question. Are you nervous then this summer

899
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: because the nexts have a lot of cap space in

900
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: a free agency that doesn't seem to be that enticing.

901
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: Are they gonna end up pulling the trigger on something silly?

902
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: I hope that they don't do that. I ardently hope

903
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: that they don't do that. You know, there's been a

904
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: various things banded about deals for CP three, et cetera. Listen,

905
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: the Knicks haven't had a point guard that's worth talking

906
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: about since Stephan Marbury and I don't know, like three

907
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: weeks of Jeremy Lynn, and that has been a really

908
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 3: difficult thing and one of the grand failure of this organization.

909
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: You know, in an era that is the most point

910
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: guard laden era in NBA history. I think you could

911
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,479
Speaker 3: argue the Knicks have struck out time and time again

912
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 3: in trying to find a point guard. So I hope

913
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: that they I just hope that they manage their their

914
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: resources in a smart way, which is a thing they

915
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: haven't done in the past. Yes, I'm worried that they'll

916
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 3: spend big money, but like you know, I think that

917
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: the I think that the I think the moves they

918
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 3: made last year, you could argue for them. They didn't again,

919
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 3: they didn't cap themselves out, they didn't handcuff themselves to

920
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 3: deals that were overly onerous, and they've managed to hold

921
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: on to their draft picks. So just keep doing that.

922
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 3: Nobody's expecting anything from them this year except to develop

923
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 3: the players that they have and draft well, you know,

924
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: so just continue to do that.

925
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: Is there anyone with that number eight pick that you

926
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 4: would like to see them take? I mean, you talked

927
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 4: about needing a point guard, Maybe they move up. Are

928
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 4: you I don't know, are you a are you a

929
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 4: college guy? Are you following you know, Kevin O'Connor's big board.

930
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: I follow it as much as I need to in

931
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 3: terms of understanding who specifically, again, the point guards are

932
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: in this draft. I'd love to see them take a

933
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: point guard. I think Tyrese Maxi, considering the kind of

934
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: like Kentucky Links that the team already has, seems like

935
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 3: a player that they might take Killian Hayes. Do they

936
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 3: want to go French again? Double French? Do they want

937
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: to do they want to go double French again? I

938
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 3: don't know, but that's that's another player they might take

939
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: a take a shot at. I'd like I'd love to

940
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: see them draft a point guard, you know, And I

941
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,959
Speaker 3: think down down at the bottom end of the top

942
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: ten is you can take some shots. Because it's such

943
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: a week, it's such a weak and strange draft that

944
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: let's just draft the best available point guard and see

945
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: what happens.

946
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 4: Sure, and before we move on to the next, move

947
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: on from the next, I should say, what's your take

948
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 4: on these leaked jerseys? These uh City Never Sleeps New

949
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 4: York Knicks circular sort of a gradient black? Well, what

950
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: do you think of these things? If they are in

951
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 4: fact real?

952
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: It's hard for me, you know, I think that's fine.

953
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: I don't care. I think that it's.

954
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't know.

955
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: I don't love the tide. I look, that's weird. I

956
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: need like strict colors, like color bands of color and

957
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 3: hard demarcations between colors.

958
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 2: That's just like.

959
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 3: What I like is design. I don't hate the circle. Okay,

960
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 3: city never sleeps New York City thing, that's fine. I

961
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 3: like this better than the leaked nets Jersey, not to

962
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 3: just fire strays at them. But I don't actively hate it.

963
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: So I guess there's that.

964
00:53:54,320 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: The lowest bar imaginable, Jason, I don't actively hate. Therefore, Hey,

965
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 4: it's a win in the Knicks lip. I love it.

966
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, as long as you don't hate it, the Knicks

967
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: are moving in the right direction, whether it's from uniforms

968
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: or to the front office personnel or players out on

969
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: the court. As long as you don't botch it, things

970
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: are great.

971
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: Yes, that's absolutely the case with the New York Knicks.

972
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: What if? What a what an incredible two decades it's been.

973
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: Oh, we're not totally done with the Knicks yet. I

974
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: hate to say it. We're gonna play a game called

975
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 2: start bench cut. You know what it is. I'll give

976
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: you three choices. You'll let me know, let us know

977
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: which you're gonna start. Who you're gonna bench and who

978
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: you're saying get out of here. Starting with the Knicks,

979
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 2: one of my favorite categories of player the Knicks have

980
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: is the one hit wonder, somebody who becomes massive only

981
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: as a Knick. Somehow they get talked up as being

982
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: able to be a great player the coming season, and

983
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: then we never hear from a gun. So start bench

984
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: cut these Knicks one hit wonders, Landry Fields, Josh George's

985
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: Harrelson or Earl Baron. This could be like fifty thousand

986
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: names I had already forgotten, min Dogs, Kis Minskins. If

987
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: you want to throw him in there.

988
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 3: Ah, you know what, I'm gonna go with Landry Fields

989
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: because I really feel like, if you want to know

990
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 3: why why Mike D'Antoni should be in the Hall of Fame,

991
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 3: the conversation around Landry Fields is why he turned Landry Field.

992
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 3: People were like, man, Landry Fields five to a player,

993
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 3: this is like, you know, you do it all fits

994
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: anywhere it fit. What do you need, Like you need

995
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 3: to take the ball up and you can take the

996
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 3: ball up, play defense, move the ball, shoot. He does

997
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: a little bit of everything. They were like talking about

998
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 3: him like a like a mini kur Lenko, And that's

999
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 3: all because of Mike D'Antoni and the Mike D'Antoni system.

1000
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 3: George was great just because he looked like a guy

1001
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 3: who should be like shoveling dirt at four Seasons Landscaping.

1002
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with Landry Fields

1003
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: because again I think that is I'm gonna say, start him,

1004
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 3: because that's that's Mike d'antoni's peak.

1005
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he got paid by the Raptors, did

1006
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 4: he not? He really did, like a nineteen million dollars

1007
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 4: deal or something like that. Eighteen million dollars.

1008
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: Proud of him.

1009
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: Can't sign Steve Nash. We gotta sign Landry.

1010
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right, Okay, all right, next category another

1011
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: Great Knicks, Another Great Knicks category. The past, his prime Nick,

1012
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: somebody that gets there, wow, end of his career, start

1013
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: bench cut, Nix, Rashid Wallace, Knicks, Jason Kidd And this

1014
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 2: is a weird one. Nicks, Pablo Priggioni. He was a

1015
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: rookie when he was there, but the oldest rookie of

1016
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: all time.

1017
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 3: I mean this goes all the way back to Nicks.

1018
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 3: Rolando Blackman, who many argue should have been on the

1019
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 3: court for the finals against the Houston Rockets. I think that, Wow,

1020
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: this is really tough. Prigioni is beloved in a way

1021
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: that I don't. I think that non Knicks fans can't

1022
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 3: really understand. He was so smart and he really made

1023
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: a difference every time he was on the court. Incredible

1024
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 3: defensive player, had an ability to like steal the inbounds

1025
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 3: past that was that was just unbelievable, the way he

1026
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: would do that, like a real mugger out there. I gosh,

1027
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: this is so tough. I'm gonna go with Prigioni. I'm

1028
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna start PROGIONI bench. Wow, that it's so tough.

1029
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: Bench Jason Kidd, I want him out there. He fell

1030
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: apart at the end of the season. But you know what,

1031
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: like as a ball mover, as an off guard ball mover,

1032
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: he's and I mean this sincerely, was one of the

1033
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: best Knicks point guards of the last twenty years, which

1034
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: is sad he was forty and he could not move,

1035
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 3: but he really made a difference at that advanced stage.

1036
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 3: And then I guess I unfortunately I'm gonna cut sheet

1037
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: just because he was really hampered by injury. But he

1038
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 3: was such a presence. What an incredible presence he was, Prigioni.

1039
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: I love you. I love Pablo Prigioni, and I miss

1040
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: him to this day. I wish he had come. I

1041
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: wish he had come to the Knicks at an age

1042
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 3: where we could have played him and started him.

1043
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: It does kind of feel like he's gonna go down

1044
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: in NBA history as the best AT's stealing an inbounds pass,

1045
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: which you know you gotta be the best at something

1046
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 2: that's not bad.

1047
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: What a weird What an absolutely weird talent that ends

1048
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 3: passing up a wide open shot Like that's the other thing.

1049
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: He was great. If there wasn't a wide open lane

1050
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 3: to make a layup, he'd just pass it to anybody else,

1051
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: like you'd have to beg him to shoot. But I

1052
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: loved him well.

1053
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: Skeets is always telling me the Madison Square Garden is

1054
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: the best place to say to see a game. I'm

1055
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: a gleeful Knicks hater, but some say, okay, that the

1056
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: league is better when the Knicks are good. So I'll

1057
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: throw you a bone here. Start bench cut nineties Knicks Legend,

1058
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: Oakley Starks and Mason.

1059
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I'm gonna, okay, this is I'm going to

1060
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: start Mason because he was really a player ahead of

1061
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 3: his time. You know, power forward size, brought the ball

1062
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: up small ball before we knew of such a thing,

1063
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: point forward they would call it at the time, and

1064
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: had just an incredible skill set for the for the

1065
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: considering the bruising physique and physical style of play that

1066
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: he was capable of playing. So start Mason. I'm going

1067
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: to bench. I'm going to bench. Have John Starks come

1068
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: off the bench, which is how he should have. If

1069
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 3: the Knicks were a properly balanced elite team, John Starks

1070
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 3: would have come off the bench his entire career. I

1071
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: respect John Starks, I love John Starks. Guy was bagging groceries,

1072
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 3: played for a million fucking colleges and snuck his way

1073
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 3: into the league. Should not have been a starting two

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Speaker 3: guard in the NBA on a really good team, right,

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01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: Like the fact that it was your offensive uh you know,

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01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 3: options were Patrick Ewing who was averaged like twenty and

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Speaker 3: twenty three game and then John Starks, who one game

1078
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 3: would score twenty eight on like eight of eight and

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01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 3: the next night couldn't find the backboard. It was just

1080
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: not it was not great, of course, he played his

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01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 3: heart out every night. And then I guess I'd I

1082
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: don't want to cut Charles Oakley, but I already have

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01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: a power forward, so I'm gonna and and again, we

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01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 3: need guards, so I feel like we could we could

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01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: play John Starks at guard right now, So I'd have

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Speaker 3: to cut Charles Oakley even though I don't want to

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: and I loved oak.

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Speaker 2: Sound like trying to get in James Dolan's good graces though, Charles,

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Speaker 2: I don't know about this NBA bubble and about a

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01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: month ago, Yeah, great basketball, but some better comedy bits

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: that we saw throughout the bubble. So start bench cut

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Speaker 2: these comedy bits from the NBA bubble. Number one Steve

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01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: Javy coming on and confirming the call. Number two the

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01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: Clipper is blowing a three to one lead. And number three, Oh,

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01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler's big face coffee.

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Speaker 3: Wow, easy start for me. You go, Steve jav who

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say that that desktop played a

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01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 3: role in some of the way Javvy's hits changed down

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Speaker 3: the stretch. He he became quite defensive down the stretch.

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Speaker 3: And there was a really startling moment during the finals

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01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 3: where like Mark Jackson defended him for making for making

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Speaker 3: a really decisive call.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 3: That said, it was absolutely one of my favorite running

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01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 3: subplots of recent years was Steve Javy coming out to

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01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 3: analyze a call, wasting time until the call is made

1107
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 3: on the floor, and then absolutely agreeing with the car.

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01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: It was just it was amazing, amazing stuff. So Steve

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01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: Javy start, I guess you know what, I'm going to

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01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: bench big face Coffee. It was really fun and I

1111
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 3: thought it was joke, but then as time went on,

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01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 3: it became clear that it really was serious. And I

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01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: just think, you know, I think Jimmy Butler is one

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01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 3: of the most fun players to have in the league

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 3: and to talk about right now, just for a million

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01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: different reasons, big face Coffee being one of them. And

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01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 3: then I'm just gonna I'm I'm cutting the three one

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01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 3: lead for the Clippers because, like, I'm bored of it

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01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: at this point. You guys, get it together, get your

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01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 3: act together. What is happening over there. I'm just tired

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01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 3: of talking about it. Like, you have two of the

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Speaker 3: best players in the league on the perimeter, a team

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01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 3: that was the that should dominate defensively and flat out choked.

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Speaker 3: I'm tired of talking about it. I'm cutting you.

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Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I do think it was hilarious though,

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01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: to see off season projections and everything says the Clippers

1127
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 2: they need a second playmaker out there, they need another guard.

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Speaker 2: What are we talking about here?

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Speaker 3: They are incredible team on paper. Like I if you

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Speaker 3: listen at the beginning of the season, I was like, listen,

1131
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: it's gonna be Clippers Lakers, and I think the Clippers

1132
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 3: just match up with the Lakers in a way that

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01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 3: should allow them to win. And I was wrong. I

1134
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 3: was clearly wrong. There's something something, just something not quite

1135
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 3: right about that team.

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01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: Obviously, Yeah, no doubt about it. Our final start bench cut.

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01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 2: You're a Survivor guy. If I'm not mistaken, start bench cut.

1138
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: These Survivor legends Loston Rob Sandra Diaz, Twine, and Tony Vlakos.

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01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 3: Start Tony. I think he's the greatest that's ever done it.

1140
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 3: I think that the game has changed a lot in

1141
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 3: recent years. The piece of movements has is completely different

1142
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 3: than it was, you know, ten fifteen years ago. Like

1143
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 3: you go back and watch Heroes versus Villains, for instance,

1144
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 3: and it's a lot of like long running alliances, and

1145
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: the way the game is played now is just like move.

1146
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 3: You know, alliances last as long as a game or

1147
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 3: a couple of moves, and then you move on to

1148
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 3: something else, right, And I think Tony's natural pace of

1149
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 3: play is perfectly fitted to that. The fact that he

1150
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 3: was able to win and the way he won this

1151
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 3: this past season despite everybody understanding that he was a

1152
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 3: huge threat, I think it's just a credit to him

1153
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 3: as a player. I don't think the guy sleeps. You know,

1154
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 3: he's climbing trees, he's burying himself underground. It's like, what

1155
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 3: more could he do? I'm gonna go with him. Second,

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01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 3: Sondra being the first U two time winner and some

1157
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 3: of the moves that she has made over the years

1158
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 3: are just cold blooded, and I think the fact that

1159
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 3: she could do it without ever being a physical threat

1160
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 3: shows you how good she is as a strategic player.

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01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go Sondra, And then I'm gonna get

1162
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 3: a lot of hate for this. But like I think,

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01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 3: I think Boston Rob's overrated. Oh, I think he's overrated.

1164
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 3: I think if you look at people will say right

1165
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 3: that he was one of the first players to understand

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01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 3: that he was on the show and really understand the

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01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 3: importance of nailing a confessional as part of the gameplay, right,

1168
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: And I think that that was I think that's true.

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01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 3: He was very self aware, but like if you look

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01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 3: at his win where they brought him in after the

1171
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 3: fact with these really newbies who were just kind of

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Speaker 3: in awe of him.

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01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he was the godfather.

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01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the god Father. And they brought him in,

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01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 3: Russell in, and then Russell was eliminated early after they

1176
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 3: had already kind of introduced like all the players. I

1177
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 3: think that that that's one of the more boring seasons

1178
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: of Survivor because Rob really dominated these younger, more naive

1179
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 3: players from basically start to finish. There was like a

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01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 3: there was a group that was against Rob that never

1181
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 3: had the numbers. They were like four to six four

1182
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: five four six, and instead of like ever trying to

1183
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 3: have an alliance, they just like sat by themselves around

1184
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 3: the fire and like riped. So it was never they

1185
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 3: never really played. They handed it to him. I personally

1186
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 3: think ParvE is a better player than Boston Robb, like

1187
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 3: a way better player. So I'm gonna cut Boston Rob.

1188
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 3: I appreciate everything he's done for the franchise, but I

1189
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: think he's overrated.

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01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 4: Would you would you ever go on Survivor, Jason? Would

1191
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 4: you ever do it?

1192
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 3: I would do it, although I think I would die.

1193
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 3: I think I'd be one of these people that like

1194
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 3: gets gets like a fever, or I forget the name

1195
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 3: of the guy who like broke his back on the

1196
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 3: boat or the boat.

1197
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: About the guy that ate so much steak and he

1198
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 2: couldn't take a dump so gotta go.

1199
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Speaker 3: I think it would be I think it would be

1200
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: something like that, like I would get bitten by a bat,

1201
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: or I would get an infected like cut, and I

1202
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 3: would end up dying or just getting swept out to

1203
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 3: sea or something. My girlfriend and I are always joking

1204
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 3: because you know, we're on the smaller side, and we're

1205
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 3: always like, do you think we're.

1206
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 2: Bigger than that?

1207
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 3: Then whoever that is, like that's playing right now? Are

1208
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 3: we taller than Sandridia's one? And so we're always like,

1209
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 3: whenever we rewatch a season of Survivor, will be like, well,

1210
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 3: we'll impersonate Jeff being like and now Jason's being swept

1211
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 3: out to see he's gone, He's seeking out of the

1212
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 3: waves I think he's drowned. That's it for him. He

1213
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 3: just snuffs it. Like Jason's face down in the sand.

1214
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 3: They're stepping on his back. He's gone. Like whenever they

1215
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 3: have like those those challenges where people are like wrestling

1216
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 3: in the mud, I'm like, yeah, I forget it. That's

1217
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 3: I think it's not gonna happen. I die.

1218
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 4: But you're arismatic, you're intellectual.

1219
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 3: I would love to playing chess out there. Yeah, I

1220
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 3: would love to do it, although I don't know how

1221
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 3: well I would do, but I would absolutely love to play.

1222
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 4: The island itself might kick your ass is basically.

1223
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 3: Ad would kill me.

1224
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 2: Jason, thanks so much for joining us today. We'll have

1225
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 2: to have you back on whenever Survivor finally launches again

1226
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: and we can talk no buffs. We can't wait to

1227
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: see what's next. If the people somehow don't know where

1228
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 2: to find you, let them.

1229
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 3: Know I'm at network on Twitter. Stay tuned to that

1230
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 3: space for my crooked media content at the end of

1231
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 3: this year.

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01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: Excellent. Thank you to everybody out there listening, whether it's

1233
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 2: on Apple, Spotify, pod Being, or any of the other

1234
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: players you use. Leave us a review if you can.

1235
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 2: They help for some reason, but nobody knows what. Jason,

1236
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 2: You're a guy who's at the top of the charts

1237
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 2: a lot. What's up with these reviews?

1238
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 3: You know, I don't read them. That's my That's what

1239
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 3: I will tell you. I ask for great reviews, but

1240
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 3: I never read them.

1241
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. We read them all the time, and

1242
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: we just obsess over them, obsess over them. Five stars only.

1243
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 2: But with the draft and free agency coming up, you're

1244
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 2: also gonna want to subscribe to the Athletic. Hit up

1245
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: the Athletic dot com slash no dunks to subscribe for

1246
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 2: a dollar a month. Just talk to John Hollinger about

1247
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: his mock draft. There's gonna be a bunch more coming

1248
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 2: during this abbreviated off season. It's gonna be crazy, and

1249
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 2: you're gonna want to stay up to date. You're watching

1250
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: on YouTube. Lee's like subscribe, turn on notifications. We're on

1251
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 2: the road to twenty k, which would be absolutely perfect

1252
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty twenty twenty one season. Clever bros.

1253
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: You heard it here first. Have a great time, turn

1254
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 3: up love you guys awesome.

1255
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:54,440
Speaker 4: You could stay.

1256
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: Every day, happy, every minute.

1257
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 3: It's been so long that you're the fun waiting for.

1258
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: It's happened already.

1259
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 3: It's gonna be goody