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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory, Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. Last night

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, sad night in Milwaukee for the Cubs, for

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Speaker 1: Cubs fans. News broke during the game that Ryan Samberg

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Speaker 1: had passed away at the age of sixty five, a

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Speaker 1: year plus long battle with cancer that returned after what

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Speaker 1: we thought, you know, was good news around this time

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Speaker 1: last year, a little over a year ago.

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Speaker 2: I think he he.

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Speaker 1: Thought he had heard some good news, came back aggressively, sadly,

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Speaker 1: and we learned of his passing last night.

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Speaker 2: It was a.

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Speaker 1: It was an odd scene, I guess, a rare scene

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Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. You know, they'd lost a tough game

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Speaker 1: that didn't seem to be on anyone's mind. It was

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Speaker 1: just very quiet, no music, no talk, very little talking,

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Speaker 1: I should say, very little chatter. Yeah, and all that

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Speaker 1: was talked about was Ran Samberg and his legacy and appropriately.

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Speaker 3: So you know, the game never stops, but there are

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Speaker 3: moments when people slow down and I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: you captured that scene really well. In your story on

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Speaker 3: the athletic of just guys looking at their phones, kind

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Speaker 3: of the hush tones within the room, kind of a

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Speaker 3: somber atmosphere.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Craig Counsel didn't get a single question about the game

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Speaker 3: other than like, when did you find out the news?

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Speaker 3: He said, you know, I'll take questions if you want,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think anyone was really in the headspace

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Speaker 3: to like dig in on any of those game details,

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Speaker 3: just because everyone understood how much Ryan Samberg meant in

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Speaker 3: City Chicago, the Cubs franchise, and also it gives us

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Speaker 3: a greater appreciation, appreciation or a different perspective on his

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Speaker 3: presence there in spring training and his connection to this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that seemed to be brought up a lot in

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Speaker 1: coming out during spring training, clearly not feeling his best,

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Speaker 1: but I guess the word would be energized to be

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Speaker 1: around the group, to be around baseball again. They kind

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Speaker 1: of knew that he wasn't feeling great. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that was going to stop him. Even his most recent messages,

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Speaker 1: he was lamenting the fact that he couldn't be out

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Speaker 1: at the ballpark as much as he wanted to. This

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Speaker 1: this season. He clearly loved being around the Cubs. Feel

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Speaker 1: like that was I feel like that that's what stood out.

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Speaker 1: John Greenberg wrote about this. You know, his his post

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Speaker 1: playing career. You know, he managed, he tried media. I

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Speaker 1: think his best role was, you know, ambassador for this team.

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Speaker 1: He was a kind person. He brought a lot of

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Speaker 1: joy to the group. I mean, his his numbers speak

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Speaker 1: for themselves. You know, we will talk about what he

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Speaker 1: was as a player, but I I thought that stood

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Speaker 1: out to me because I remember, you know, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: he wasn't a great manager. He wasn't great at the

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Speaker 1: media side, but he was so good at just like

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Speaker 1: connecting people to the game. There was something about him

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Speaker 1: and and the players enjoyed being around him, and he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get into more of kind of the legacy

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Speaker 3: stuff and his wider impact in the next couple of segments.

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Speaker 3: But I thought going down the room, I mean you

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Speaker 3: and I thought it really summed it up well of

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Speaker 3: Matthew boy being like I show up in spring training

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Speaker 3: and Ryan Samberg greeting me as if I was a

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Speaker 3: cub my entire life. Obviously it'd only signed a couple

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Speaker 3: of months earlier. And then Ian happ telling a story

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Speaker 3: how he's kind of going through it in one of

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Speaker 3: those aprils, and you know, Rhino pulled him to the side,

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Speaker 3: off to the side by the batting cage and said, my,

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Speaker 3: my career numbers in April were terrible, and I always

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Speaker 3: turned around, you'll you'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: And I think you.

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Speaker 3: Have really summed it up well of like, you know,

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Speaker 3: for him to not only take the time, but to

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Speaker 3: and I think it just just speaks to his ability to,

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Speaker 3: sum that up very eloquently as well, of like when

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Speaker 3: an impact, it brings people together. And I think the

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Speaker 3: Cubs felt that in that moment of your counsel addressing

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Speaker 3: the team after the game. Some people found out, you know,

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Speaker 3: during the game, but there was definitely a different, you

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Speaker 3: know energy in that room that visiting clubhouse at American

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Nico Horner obviously it plays the same position as

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Speaker 1: Ryan Sandberg and had some conversations with him in the

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Speaker 1: past few years. I appreciated Nico's comments about how, you know,

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Speaker 1: they talk about the game. They talk about how things

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Speaker 1: were different nowadays than than when Rhino played, but there

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Speaker 1: was never I mean, Nico made a point of saying

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was critiquing today's game, or like,

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Speaker 1: go back in my day. This is how things were

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Speaker 1: done and it was better. I I appreciate that because

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Speaker 1: you hear that a lot from older players, right, you

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Speaker 1: can hear like, well, this is how we did things,

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Speaker 1: and why don't they do things like this nowadays? Why

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Speaker 1: don't they They should go the other way with the ball.

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Speaker 1: It's so easy, you know, That's how you beat the shift.

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Speaker 2: Things like that.

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Speaker 1: It's Rhino didn't act like he was better than today's game.

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Speaker 1: He just was fascinated by the differences and appreciated what

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Speaker 1: was going on as the game evolved. I think that

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Speaker 1: says something about him as a person, just appreciating the

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Speaker 1: Like Rhino just went about it exactly the way that

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Speaker 1: appreciated him being around these last few years and getting

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Speaker 2: Patrick ten straight All Star appearances.

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Speaker 1: I believe nine gold gloves for Ryan Samberg just you know,

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Speaker 1: a ton of silver sluggers that MVP season in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty four that kind of put him on the map,

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Speaker 1: put the Cubs really on the map. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: this until John Greenberg told us last night. It was

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Speaker 1: in his story as well. They broke the two million

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Speaker 1: COVID seasons and strike shortened seasons. Then, uh, that that

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Speaker 1: kind of blows me away to think that Rhino was

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Speaker 1: to sports. Rhino wasn't overshadowed. He was still, you know,

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Speaker 3: Wrigley Bob Jernier after doing the seventh inning stretch and

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Speaker 3: Rhino throwback jersey. You until Jesse Rodgers and I, like

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Speaker 3: They did they even call it Rigbyville back then.

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Speaker 3: You had Harry Carey narrating it, you have the WGN

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Speaker 3: Jed Hoyer and the Marquis booth during that Red Sox

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Speaker 3: And you know a lot of people built this franchise

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Speaker 3: That Hall of Fame speech like is one of those

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Speaker 3: Life lessons that you know resonate far ball on the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, what the impact of him as a person.

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Speaker 1: That speech is something that I don't think it I

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Speaker 1: always be talking about that speech. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: most unforgettable speeches that it's been given at Cooperstown. H

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Speaker 1: Just some of his numbers kind of blow me away. Like,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think like he stole fifty four bases

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Speaker 2: I was. I was four years old.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying like, I didn't realize he had

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to quickly share something that

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Speaker 1: Then nineteen ninety happened and Samberg seemingly hit a home

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Speaker 2: But I could I keep short, keep quiet, you know

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Speaker 3: know it's a difficult situation, but just getting to know him,

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Speaker 3: into social media on Twitter. It's a terrible place in general,

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Speaker 1: I think John Greenberg said really well, he made adults

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Speaker 1: I think someone put it best. Their dad was texting

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Speaker 1: So I hope, I hope Cubs fans are remembering their

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Speaker 1: I said, he's the reason. He's a big reason why

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: So many that's true for so many people in this

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Speaker 2: Uh So, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, our thoughts go out to Cubs fans. Samberg family,

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Speaker 1: the Cubs family, everyone around. He impacted a lot of

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Speaker 1: Thanks everyone for listening. This is Northside Territory. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back with another episode soon. Uh take care of everyone.

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