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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September two, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode
Speaker 1: number seventeen. Welcome to another edition of The Break. We
Speaker 1: are alive. I am from the virtual s WB Mortgage
Speaker 1: studios in my home, joined by Nick Eatman, Dave helm
Speaker 1: and Amber Garcia. Nick's at the start to day although
Speaker 1: the team's practicing in the afternoon today, camp is now
Speaker 1: over there starting to hit more of a rhythm that
Speaker 1: they will hit similar to what they will do in
Speaker 1: the season. But today we gotta show for you guys.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about some injuries, some
Speaker 1: guys that have not been practicing here over the last
Speaker 1: few days. We'll also get to the fifty three man roster.
Speaker 1: Have these guys pinned down for you? What you think
Speaker 1: will happen with the top fifty three And as we
Speaker 1: end the show, we will have a little bit of
Speaker 1: a ramp cap wrap up of camp with a few
Speaker 1: standout players that these guys have seen throughout the duration
Speaker 1: of training camp. How's everybody doing today? Wonderful, good, awesome.
Speaker 1: Let's jump right in. Let's get into some of these injuries.
Speaker 1: I think the most important one that we probably need
Speaker 1: to talk about is Amari Cooper, although I'm not certain
Speaker 1: that there is an injury to really refer to. Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones talked about it yesterday. Dave, I think you mentioned
Speaker 1: in a tweet that he hadn't been practicing in team
Speaker 1: drills over a few practices. Tell me what Jerry said,
Speaker 1: and then kind of what you think about it. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you, Dave. Yeah, I mean, so, you know,
Speaker 1: Amari hasn't really done much in a team setting since
Speaker 1: probably last Thursday. It's been about three practices since he
Speaker 1: really had a heavy workload. Uh. Jerry Jones said yesterday
Speaker 1: morning that it's really more about precaution and monitoring. He mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, the GPS and the tracking devices that they use.
Speaker 1: They thought that Amari had been exerting himself plenty, and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe in the interest of preventing some sort
Speaker 1: of strain. They kind of dialed him back. The thing,
Speaker 1: the thing that makes me feel okay about it is
Speaker 1: that you know, he's still doing stuff. You know, he
Speaker 1: suits up every day and he's gone through individual warm
Speaker 1: ups and he's gotten a couple you know, routes in
Speaker 1: individual drills and stuff like that over the last three
Speaker 1: or four days. You know, it doesn't seem like he's
Speaker 1: drastically injured. Like Jerry said, I think they're just being
Speaker 1: cautious with a guy who has had a history of
Speaker 1: lower body injuries. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I saw
Speaker 1: some people on social media that I guess the best
Speaker 1: way to describe it is they were a little bit like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm buying all of this with
Speaker 1: regards to to that. But the way I look at
Speaker 1: it is, I think it kind of rides with with
Speaker 1: what we've seen from Lyle Collins too. He didn't really
Speaker 1: have an injury that we were told. It sounded like
Speaker 1: they just kind of wanted to get him to a
Speaker 1: certain place before he started practicing, And I think that
Speaker 1: probably points a little bit to maybe them seeing something
Speaker 1: through what they'd seen in his workouts heading into camp.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of the analytics involved. Nick, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that and just kind of haul this plays
Speaker 1: out well. I don't think anything has changed as far
Speaker 1: as the way they're getting players ready to play. McCarthy
Speaker 1: might have a different approach than Jason Garrett, but you know,
Speaker 1: to me, the you know, the trainers, the doctors, they're
Speaker 1: they're the same, and they're going to continue to kind
Speaker 1: of to work these guys where be Lyle or Maury
Speaker 1: Cooper or you know, the goal here always is September
Speaker 1: thirteenth against the Rams, So everybody's got a difference, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it be an injury, ailment, illness, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I don't think that the plan is any different than
Speaker 1: it was before because you know, the trainers and doctors
Speaker 1: haven't changed really since in twenty five years, thirty years. Really,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get to us some of the
Speaker 1: other injuries. Let's talk about the defensive back position. There
Speaker 1: are a number of injuries there. You got Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: that that's been out of practice. I think he left
Speaker 1: during the during Cowboys Night on Sunday. You had Chito
Speaker 1: who has been missing a couple of practices. You have
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis has been out for a little bit. Talk
Speaker 1: to me about how those guys are at this point
Speaker 1: and when they're expected to return. Let's go to you Amber.
Speaker 1: What do you have on that. Well, as far as
Speaker 1: I've heard, none of them are really major injuries. The
Speaker 1: only thing that concerns me obviously, this is a position
Speaker 1: that was already of need. So it sucks that a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks prior to when we are expecting to
Speaker 1: start the season, that these guys who are veteran guys
Speaker 1: are now struggling with certain injuries. And I'm sure they're
Speaker 1: doing the best to monitor them and be as cautionary
Speaker 1: as they that they can be. But as far as
Speaker 1: from what I've heard, these are nothing like major injuries,
Speaker 1: so not too concerning, but still something to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on. It's also interesting that you look at a
Speaker 1: guy like Luke Gifford, who is by all accounts trying
Speaker 1: to make this team, a guy that missed a significant
Speaker 1: part last year due to injury. He has also been
Speaker 1: on the injury poor Dave. What do we know about
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford. We know that we haven't seen Louke Gifford
Speaker 1: practice in a week or more, and that's actually I
Speaker 1: was going to bring that up about Jordan Lewis too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't get the feeling that any of
Speaker 1: these are serious injuries, but this is such a shortened
Speaker 1: training camp. I mean, a two week injuries not a
Speaker 1: big deal when training camp is six weeks long. But Jordan,
Speaker 1: you know, Jordan went out on like the third day
Speaker 1: of practice and he hasn't been back, which you know,
Speaker 1: he's a fourth year vetter and he can probably deal
Speaker 1: with that, but it's still not ideal, even more so
Speaker 1: for Luke Gifford. I don't get the feeling that this
Speaker 1: is a super long term injury. But camp is over,
Speaker 1: and Luke Gifford hasn't you know, fifty percent of that.
Speaker 1: He hasn't had a chance to show his stuff. I
Speaker 1: wonder if that's going to hurt him because you know,
Speaker 1: this isn't the coaching staff that brought him in that
Speaker 1: was absolutely in love with him last summer. This is
Speaker 1: a completely different group of guys, and you know the
Speaker 1: fact that they haven't been able to see a full
Speaker 1: camp from him, it's it's kind of concerning if I'm
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford in my opinion at least, yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: going to be. I assume that's that's one of the positions,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk a little bit about more when we
Speaker 1: get to the linebacker position. That's one of the positions
Speaker 1: where I feel like it's gonna be tight and trying
Speaker 1: to make the team at the linebacker positions gonna be
Speaker 1: tough because they got a lot of quality players at
Speaker 1: that position, and and we'll talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about that when we get there, of how this might
Speaker 1: affect him. But that's what we're gonna do. Now. We're
Speaker 1: gonna jump into the fifty three man roster. The way
Speaker 1: I broke this down is we're gonna go through each position.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about the guys that
Speaker 1: are there, the guys we know that are for sure,
Speaker 1: and guys that we think are kind of on the bubble,
Speaker 1: and let you guys give some opinions about that. We'll
Speaker 1: get to the end of it, and that's when we
Speaker 1: will look back and see, Okay, here's the total number
Speaker 1: of players that we think are for sure, here's what
Speaker 1: we think we've got left, and here the areas where
Speaker 1: you can choose from. And then we'll try to figure
Speaker 1: out what those who those last few spots should be.
Speaker 1: Let's start first with the specialists. So I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a ton of questions about who's gonna make the team.
Speaker 1: You've got Greg Zerline, you got Chris Jones, you got
Speaker 1: LP Ltdiser. They're all gonna be on the team. I
Speaker 1: do have one question for you guys. I'll start with
Speaker 1: you Nick. What do you think are how comfortable are
Speaker 1: you or what are your feelings right now with regards
Speaker 1: to Chris Jones as a punter, coming off a year
Speaker 1: where he wasn't at his best? What are your thoughts there?
Speaker 1: My thoughts are that he's going to have a different
Speaker 1: coach here and John Fossil who's been really good with
Speaker 1: punters over the years, Don Johnny Hecker, and so I'm
Speaker 1: just thinking that, you know, a change of scenery might
Speaker 1: help with a little bit of philosophy, you know. And
Speaker 1: he's he's a good punter, he's been injured. I think
Speaker 1: he'll he'll get better, you know, this year that he's healthy.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the goal for zer Line, that's the
Speaker 1: goal for Chris Jones as well, that then maybe they
Speaker 1: can get back to where he was. Sounds good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the tough part is will he be able
Speaker 1: to get back there? But I think going into this season,
Speaker 1: the hope is that he can get back to that point.
Speaker 1: I think Greg Zerline is another guy that coming off
Speaker 1: last year wasn't his best year, but the expectation is
Speaker 1: that he will be better this year. He certainly has
Speaker 1: been stella throughout camp and we'll see how that goes
Speaker 1: as we had into the season. Let's move on to
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. The Cowboys have what we know, They're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna have two people that are quarterbacks that will
Speaker 1: be on this roster, Dak Prescott, Andy Dalton. My question
Speaker 1: for you guys is is this scenario where the Cowboys
Speaker 1: maybe could go short and only carry two, knowing that
Speaker 1: they have two quarterbacks who are highly skilled, who are
Speaker 1: very experienced, and just try to ride with that, versus
Speaker 1: having a third guy on the team. Let's start first
Speaker 1: with you, Aner, what do you think about that? I've
Speaker 1: been going back and forth. Me personally, I think I
Speaker 1: would just keep two. But for the Cowboys, I think
Speaker 1: that they would go ahead and keep de Nucci as well,
Speaker 1: especially because even though they say they're gonna come into
Speaker 1: an agreement with Dak prescot and figure out the contract deal.
Speaker 1: You just never know what's gonna happen. And de Nucci
Speaker 1: is a young guy who has had a good camp.
Speaker 1: He's shown some ability, he's shown some good stuff. So
Speaker 1: I don't think they they'll be okay with just letting
Speaker 1: him go. I think that they keep three quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: this scenario. Dave, Yeah. I mean, you know, if we
Speaker 1: had played five free seas and games, we might we
Speaker 1: might have a better idea. You know, if if Denucci
Speaker 1: had been terrible throughout the course of the preseason, maybe
Speaker 1: you you part ways. But I just don't think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have seen enough. You know, it's it's two and
Speaker 1: a half weeks of practice and no games. They drafted
Speaker 1: the guy, Mike McCarthy obviously really likes him. Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: also has a history of keeping three quarterbacks, and I just,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd be pretty surprised if he's not on
Speaker 1: the team. I know, you know, you can protect guys
Speaker 1: on the practice squad this year, at least two of them,
Speaker 1: I believe. But they've still got to go through waivers first.
Speaker 1: And you know, there were at least a couple other
Speaker 1: teams interested in signing him after the draft. That's why
Speaker 1: the Cowboys picked him. So I'd be pretty surprised if
Speaker 1: they cut him. Honestly, Nick, I, you know you don't
Speaker 1: need him, You certainly don't need to keep him. But
Speaker 1: but I understand why they would say that, because they
Speaker 1: drafted him for a reason. So I probably would not
Speaker 1: keep him on the roster. I think you need spots
Speaker 1: another place. All right, Let's go ahead, move on to
Speaker 1: to the running back position. Cowboys half for sure, Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliott Tony Pollard. So we know that there are two
Speaker 1: that are definitely going to be on the roster. The
Speaker 1: question becomes do the Cowboys keep a third running back?
Speaker 1: And also should the Cowboys consider keeping a fullback? And
Speaker 1: should they consider maybe keeping both keeping a third running
Speaker 1: back and a fullback. Let's start first with you, Dave,
Speaker 1: Where do you go on that? I just got the two.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, they did it last year.
Speaker 1: You know, Tony and Zeke were the only two backs
Speaker 1: running backs they had Jamazela Wally. Obviously that's not an
Speaker 1: option this year, you know, at the risk of getting
Speaker 1: into their scheme and strategy, like we simply have not
Speaker 1: seen them do a lot of stuff with fullbacks at
Speaker 1: this camp. Shwo Alana lou is the only one here,
Speaker 1: and the opportunities that he's gotten have been way more
Speaker 1: as a running back than a fullback. You know, ric
Speaker 1: o'dowdell and Darius Anderson have had moments, but there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a million running backs available on waivers and done
Speaker 1: practice squads after these rosters get cut, So I really
Speaker 1: only have the two. Nick Um, I'm gonna keep Rico.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna keep him on the team. I
Speaker 1: think he's done enough. And then he got then he
Speaker 1: got Tony Pollard and of course Zeke. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think you need a full back because I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna have put those tight ends. I don't. I
Speaker 1: definitely would just keep two, especially if i'm keeping another quarterback.
Speaker 1: So if I'm keeping three quarterbacks, I'm keeping two running
Speaker 1: backs and Zeke. You know, Zeke and Tony Poller. He's
Speaker 1: done an amazing job at camp, So I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a need for a third one. All right, So
Speaker 1: let's move on to the tight end position. Cowboys have
Speaker 1: three spots that you would assume they're gonna carry. You
Speaker 1: would think Blake job Win, Blake Bell, and I would
Speaker 1: think Dalton Schultz is your third guy. I know we
Speaker 1: had to talk last weekend, and I think a couple
Speaker 1: of you guys said you wouldn't necessarily completely rule out
Speaker 1: the possibility of Cole Hiccottini making this team. My question
Speaker 1: for you guys is, do you stick with three and
Speaker 1: Hiccotini becomes your third or Schultz, or do you go
Speaker 1: with four and take all four of them. Let's start
Speaker 1: first with you, Nick, I think you can keep four
Speaker 1: tight ends if you don't keep a fullback. Remember he
Speaker 1: said they were interchangeable, and so I think Hiccottini has
Speaker 1: done enough where you could maybe keep him. I don't
Speaker 1: know about going along at running back and tight end,
Speaker 1: but the other three guys are solid and they deserve
Speaker 1: to make it. Amber I think I would just keep
Speaker 1: I would like to have four, but I would just
Speaker 1: probably keep three because honestly, the I like Blake Jarwin,
Speaker 1: Blake Bell, I think he's gonna stay. And then out
Speaker 1: of Dalton Schultz and colehat Kutini, I mean they both
Speaker 1: haven't done enough to where I'm like, oh, yes, let
Speaker 1: me keep both of them. I would just take one
Speaker 1: of those two and just keep three and see what
Speaker 1: who else is available from other teams. Helman, I honestly,
Speaker 1: I think they're either gonna keep four tight ends or
Speaker 1: they're gonna add a running back fullback when this stuff
Speaker 1: gets cut. And that's that's the tough part is, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's almost a guarantee that there will be one
Speaker 1: or two guys on this roster that aren't here. Now,
Speaker 1: you think about how experienced this coaching staff is. You know,
Speaker 1: they've been all you know, so many of these coaches
Speaker 1: have spent so much time in the league. There's bound
Speaker 1: to be players they like that are available, you know,
Speaker 1: on Saturday and Sunday. But what we're looking at right now,
Speaker 1: if they don't keep three running backs, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they keep a fourth fullback. I think Blake
Speaker 1: Bell and Dalton Schultz can both be in h back
Speaker 1: fullback type of guy. And then you add in Cole
Speaker 1: Hiccottini as depth. I don't know that he's gonna make it,
Speaker 1: but I at least want to. Min shouldn't Sean mckun
Speaker 1: as well, the Michigan rookie. He's had moments, for sure,
Speaker 1: and he's a big body guy who can do some
Speaker 1: of that blocking stuff. So, like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he makes the team, but I think we
Speaker 1: should at least mention him all right some more onto
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position, We've got three guys we absolutely
Speaker 1: know we're gonna make this team, Amari Cooper, Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: and Ceedee Lamb. I think most of us agree that
Speaker 1: Noah Brown and Cedric Wilson are gonna be the fourth
Speaker 1: and fifth wide receivers on this team. The question for
Speaker 1: you guys is do the Cowboys keep us sixth and
Speaker 1: if so, who do they keep? Out of Intel Bryant,
Speaker 1: John Vay Johnson, Devid Smith. Let's start first with you, Nick.
Speaker 1: I don't think they go with any I don't I
Speaker 1: won't go with six receivers at all. I'd stick with
Speaker 1: five because I think when you when you're so top
Speaker 1: heavy with the top three that you have, you really
Speaker 1: don't need more than that. You got to back up in.
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson has been really good. You've got a special
Speaker 1: teams guy, and Noah Brown, who's also been pretty good
Speaker 1: lately as a receiver. I can't see where a sixth
Speaker 1: guy really is needed at this point, all right, Amber,
Speaker 1: I'm going back and forth. I think that they should
Speaker 1: be okay with the fifth guy. Now. I wonder how
Speaker 1: concerned they are about Amari Cooper and his whole whatever
Speaker 1: the injury is, even though they say it's just precautionary
Speaker 1: at this point, but I wonder if that plays a
Speaker 1: role into maybe then wanted to keep a sixth guy.
Speaker 1: And if they were to keep a six guy, my
Speaker 1: guy would be Devin Smith to add there. All right,
Speaker 1: Dave Age took the words right out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: I would love to keep Devin Smith on this team.
Speaker 1: I think if something happens to one of the big three,
Speaker 1: he's the most logical guy that can step in and
Speaker 1: play out on the boundary. But he also has probably
Speaker 1: the least special team's value. And that's that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: can you afford to just have Devin Smith be a
Speaker 1: game day and active until somebody gets hurt? I don't know,
Speaker 1: um vent tel Brian his injury is it looked pretty
Speaker 1: bad they said it wasn't. I want to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on that. I mean, if he's healthy enough that
Speaker 1: he's not going to miss a ton of time, his
Speaker 1: special team's ability is intriguing. He's also you know, he's
Speaker 1: a bigger bodied guy who can probably do some stuff
Speaker 1: on the outside. Um, I'm not convinced you need six,
Speaker 1: but if they kept six, I would hope it would
Speaker 1: be Devin Smith or vent Tel Bryant. Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: Devin Smith. You gotta remember about vent Tel Brian he
Speaker 1: could be facing a suspension, so true, it's a good point.
Speaker 1: Sure what the deal is with him? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things here is I like Devin
Speaker 1: Smith a lot, and I think he could add something
Speaker 1: to this team from a depth perspective. But the one
Speaker 1: thing that I keep remembering that that McCarthy said multiple
Speaker 1: times is he needs guys on the team that can
Speaker 1: do multiple things. And so I have a hard time
Speaker 1: thinking that they're going to have a receiver who's gonna
Speaker 1: be sixth on their depth chart, presumably that is not
Speaker 1: going to be able to play special teams for them.
Speaker 1: I just don't see how that would fit based upon again,
Speaker 1: what McCarthy has told us. Now, we'll find out through
Speaker 1: all of this is our first year with this coach.
Speaker 1: We'll find out how much of this is stuff that
Speaker 1: he really believes or stuff that he just says right,
Speaker 1: But based upon what he said so far, I have
Speaker 1: a hard time thinking that Devin gets a shot at
Speaker 1: making this team under those kind of scenarios, unless again,
Speaker 1: they see an opportunity for him to play more on
Speaker 1: special teams than maybe what we see. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: and take our first break and we come back. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the offensive line. There are lots of
Speaker 1: conversations to have around that, and then we'll get into
Speaker 1: the defense. We'll do that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: second segment of the Break. We live from the virtual
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Speaker 1: Helm and Amber Garcia. We're talking Cowboys football with you, guys.
Speaker 1: We're going through the roster. We're trying to get it
Speaker 1: down to fifty three players. Guys have already talked about
Speaker 1: the skill positions on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: We're now going to move to the offensive line. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive tackle position. First. We know for
Speaker 1: sure that Tyrn Smith Lyle Collins will definitely make this team.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys this question about cam Irving. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he was brought in here to be the swing tackle,
Speaker 1: so conventional wisdom would would say that he's going to
Speaker 1: make this team. My question for you is have you
Speaker 1: seen enough from him that makes you feel comfortable with
Speaker 1: him as the swing tackle again recognizing the fact that
Speaker 1: there have been injury issues over the last several years
Speaker 1: for your tackles, or do you feel comfortable with him
Speaker 1: in that role or do you think maybe this is
Speaker 1: a position where the Cowboys will possibly be looking out
Speaker 1: to see what other teams might be doing as far
Speaker 1: as guys that get cut, veterans that may get cut,
Speaker 1: and see if maybe they can upgrade the position. Let's
Speaker 1: start first with you, Dave. I'm not trying to convince
Speaker 1: anybody that cam Irving is amazing. He's been fine. He
Speaker 1: doesn't look as good as Tyron and LC. But my
Speaker 1: thing is, first of all, I'm convinced they need to
Speaker 1: keep him, not because of anything he's done, but because
Speaker 1: of how much we've seen the starting tackles, which is
Speaker 1: not a lot. You know, Lyle and Tyrn both have
Speaker 1: their injury issues. It is what it is, and I'm
Speaker 1: dubious that there will be a better tackle available than
Speaker 1: a guy like Cam Irving who has been a starter
Speaker 1: in this league for multiple years. Guys like that don't
Speaker 1: get put on the street very often, so I'm all
Speaker 1: in favor of keeping him. Like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's you know, if he has to start multiple games,
Speaker 1: that's probably not great, but it's better than nothing. And
Speaker 1: I'm keeping Brandon Knight too, so I would like to
Speaker 1: have four tackles on this roster for sure. Amber I
Speaker 1: think that this is a situation where they definitely look
Speaker 1: into bringing someone else. I feel like, obviously we know
Speaker 1: how Tyrant and Lyle Collins look like when they're healthy
Speaker 1: and in delight, but we also got a preview of
Speaker 1: what this offensive line could look like without those two guys.
Speaker 1: We saw a lot of combination, different mixes of people
Speaker 1: moving around the line and seeing what that looked like,
Speaker 1: and honestly, that didn't make me feel super super excited
Speaker 1: or comfortable with going into a real regular season game
Speaker 1: with those guys. So I think that they need to
Speaker 1: are They probably will look into someone else. I don't
Speaker 1: know who all is out there and if they are
Speaker 1: any better than what they already got, but as of
Speaker 1: right now, I think that they just need help at
Speaker 1: the position. Nick Well, I think that it comes down
Speaker 1: to how ready Camering is to play. Also, I mean,
Speaker 1: not only has he has he been out, but we
Speaker 1: really weren't told why he missed so much time, and
Speaker 1: so is he a guy that could step right in
Speaker 1: in play? Is he ready to do that? He hasn't
Speaker 1: had much of a training camp and certainly hasn't played
Speaker 1: any games. So yeah, I'd be looking at somebody else
Speaker 1: if they were available just I mean just to upgrade
Speaker 1: number one, but also you might need a guy that's
Speaker 1: more ready to play. Based upon what Amber and Nick said,
Speaker 1: how do you guys feel about the idea of having
Speaker 1: a fourth tackle? I think Dave's already said he's in
Speaker 1: on that. How do you guys feel about a fourth
Speaker 1: and who would that person be? I love Brandon Knight
Speaker 1: as the fourth tackle. I don't know if if he's
Speaker 1: ready to be the third, but I like him as
Speaker 1: the fourth. And if you get a guy that's better
Speaker 1: than Cam Irving, then maybe you cut cam Irving. But
Speaker 1: I'm keeping Brandon Knight as a developmental player who is
Speaker 1: show some toughness. He's got versatility, position flex maybe to
Speaker 1: play some guard if needed. I like Brandon Knight as
Speaker 1: a fourth I'm keeping him. I'm okay with that. You
Speaker 1: know what, it makes me wonder how difficult would it
Speaker 1: be for the scouts to be able to look at
Speaker 1: other guys as well that are out there in the league.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel more comfortable keeping what you
Speaker 1: already have and you know what you have, or do
Speaker 1: you take a risk into bringing someone else that maybe
Speaker 1: is I mean, when you talk about those kind of
Speaker 1: back cups like that, you don't really you haven't really
Speaker 1: seen much from people out there, so it's not like
Speaker 1: a well known guy. So I don't know, what do
Speaker 1: you guys think you do you take a chance and
Speaker 1: risk it into bringing someone else, or do you stay
Speaker 1: with well, you know, that's kind of my point. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. First of all, you know, this year,
Speaker 1: more than any year, you just don't really have an
Speaker 1: idea of what other guys are doing. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't think they are going
Speaker 1: to be as many, very many guys available that have
Speaker 1: as much experience as cam Irving does. That doesn't make
Speaker 1: him a cure all, but it does probably make him
Speaker 1: the best available option. I would be pretty surprised if
Speaker 1: there is a strikingly better tackle available this weekend. That
Speaker 1: goes back to a point about the quarterback too, because
Speaker 1: it's like, why do you keep being deduci I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody gonna pick him up and actually put him on
Speaker 1: their their fifty three man roster, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, because they haven't seen him at all. So
Speaker 1: I think you can get younger players through a little
Speaker 1: bit more. That being said to answer her question, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be really challenging to say, are I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: this young guy that I just liked coming out of
Speaker 1: college and putting him on my team. It's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be a veteran player that you would say I've
Speaker 1: seen him before, I had him before at another place.
Speaker 1: So there's not a lot of rookies I think that
Speaker 1: are going to be claimed like that. Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: like what you guys are saying is veterans are premium
Speaker 1: this year because of the limited amount of time they've
Speaker 1: had to prepare in the offseason, which means there won't
Speaker 1: probably be any good veterans on the street once these
Speaker 1: cuts are made. All right, let's move on. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the guard position. We know Zach Martin, Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern make this team. I think we're all good here, right,
Speaker 1: they're good. There? Three is all they need? You guys
Speaker 1: good on that number? Um, well, I think, and I
Speaker 1: assume you're gonna know Joe Looney and Tyler Battis. Adam
Speaker 1: Redman does a little bit of everything. If they want
Speaker 1: to go heavy, he could play, you know, he can
Speaker 1: play all three interior positions. Like I said, if they
Speaker 1: want an extra body, maybe you consider him. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think you're probably right. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: We're going talk about the center position. We know Joe
Speaker 1: Looney is going to make the team obviously. I think
Speaker 1: Tyler Briottish is another that we expect to make the team.
Speaker 1: My question really is do you think they keep Adam
Speaker 1: Redman because he does have that position flex for you
Speaker 1: and he could play he could play both both center
Speaker 1: and guard. What do you think, Amber? I think so,
Speaker 1: And especially when going back to what you said of
Speaker 1: all Mike McCarthy earlier, something that he keeps talking about
Speaker 1: over and over when he comes to roster spots is
Speaker 1: that flexibility. They want to have guys that have the
Speaker 1: flexibility to be interchangeable in different positions when need it.
Speaker 1: So when you got a guy like that that has
Speaker 1: some kind of experience and you know what he can
Speaker 1: do and help you're in, I think you can definitely
Speaker 1: keep a guy like that just for emergency. Nick, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm actually going back to the guard position just now,
Speaker 1: because let's not overlook the fact that Connor McGovern hasn't
Speaker 1: played a football game in over two years since he
Speaker 1: played at Penn State, So to have him as your
Speaker 1: backup guard on game day and if something were to happen. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, you just got to face Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a little bit concerned by that, just
Speaker 1: because he hasn't played, and so I wonder if something
Speaker 1: were to happen, is it better to put be honest
Speaker 1: at center and lunient guard at this point, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if McGovern's ready. So that makes me
Speaker 1: kind of hesitant a little bit about saying we're good
Speaker 1: with the three guards. Wait, but are you saying that
Speaker 1: Connor mcgovernor doesn't make this team? No, no, no, but
Speaker 1: he is he ready to back up both guard spots
Speaker 1: in if needed. He hasn't played since a bowl game
Speaker 1: at Penn State, and so I just and that was
Speaker 1: two years ago. So I don't know. It goes back
Speaker 1: to to the same point that you're making. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's Tyler Biat is ready to be a center, you know,
Speaker 1: if you move Joe Lunia, I mean, uh yeah, without either.
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable either, I don't. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not about being comfortable, and this is this twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: There's nothing comfortable about this year at all. So I'm
Speaker 1: just saying he's not as far removed from playing football
Speaker 1: as McGovern. I just wonder what your best options. You're
Speaker 1: trying to get five five best players out on the field,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if McGovern would be that if
Speaker 1: there would be an injury. I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: y'all are kind of out of the nature of the
Speaker 1: NFL in twenty twenty. I mean, that's that's the NFL.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many positions are you going to lose
Speaker 1: a guy and feel comfortable about who's replacing him. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're very lucky, you know. I think you could probably
Speaker 1: say that about running back and to some degree, receiver,
Speaker 1: depending on how many injuries you're dealing with. But when
Speaker 1: you when guys get hurt, you're probably not going to
Speaker 1: feel great about your options. But we're going to say,
Speaker 1: of all the players on the team that are gonna
Speaker 1: make the team, let's say you put fifty three fifty
Speaker 1: five guys out there. Of the players you know nothing about,
Speaker 1: don't you think Connor McGovern's right at the top of
Speaker 1: that list, Or you're like, I really don't know anything
Speaker 1: about this guy. I think you can make the same argument,
Speaker 1: as Amber was saying with Tyler Beiodis, I don't think
Speaker 1: you really know a lot about him. He's a rookie,
Speaker 1: he's just coming in. He hasn't had an offseason. I
Speaker 1: think you say that about him. I think you say
Speaker 1: that about Gallimore. I think you can say that about
Speaker 1: if you think Bradley and like, go down the list
Speaker 1: of all the rookies except for the top two, I
Speaker 1: think you could probably make the same argument about any
Speaker 1: one of those guys because you just haven't seen enough
Speaker 1: to know whether they're in. But they don't have as
Speaker 1: much rust as this guy. That's what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: hasn't played in two years, so yeah, he might be
Speaker 1: he might be better, But I'm just saying it's been
Speaker 1: a long time since he's done anything, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect from him. Yep. I
Speaker 1: think the strategy they're going to have is cross their
Speaker 1: fingers and pray that neither one of their guards goes
Speaker 1: down when they got to face Aaron Donald, because it
Speaker 1: will be a rough day for whoever is out there
Speaker 1: by the way, it'll be a rough day for It'll
Speaker 1: be a rough day for either one of the starters
Speaker 1: to Aaron Donald's just a handful, you know. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: you just pray that those guys don't go down, and
Speaker 1: if they do, then I think Conor mc govern's gonna
Speaker 1: get thrown in and they're just gonna see what he
Speaker 1: can do. That's putting it nice. Aaron Donald's a handfuls
Speaker 1: like saying we've had some missions this year. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's talk about the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. We're gonna flip over to start with a
Speaker 1: defensive line. My assumption is they're going to carry at
Speaker 1: least ten defensive linemen. I'm gonna throw you eight names
Speaker 1: that I think are for sure going to make this team.
Speaker 1: You guys, tell them if you agree with that, and
Speaker 1: then tell me, if it's two more, who the two
Speaker 1: that you'll take. So I think it's DeMarcus Lawrence, Alden Smith,
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin, Tyron Crawford, Don Terry Poe, Tristan Hill, Antoine Woods,
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimar. That leads two more spots, and you'll have
Speaker 1: to choose between Bradley and I, Joe Jackson, Rondelle Carter,
Speaker 1: Ladarius Hamilton, and Dorance Armstrong. Do you guys agree with
Speaker 1: the eight And if so, do you think if they're
Speaker 1: gonna get to two, how many more or who those
Speaker 1: two names that you take to get you to ten.
Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Dave. I mean, I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with your list, but I I'm I think Bradley and
Speaker 1: I's a lock. Honestly, you know, he's a he's a
Speaker 1: rookie draft pick. Teams don't like to cut draft picks.
Speaker 1: He's also kicked some ass, I mean, and don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, I don't you know. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna get a ton of playing time as a rookie,
Speaker 1: but he's done more than enough to deserve a roster spot.
Speaker 1: And he's done more than enough, which you know obviously
Speaker 1: other teams haven't seen this. But I would be afraid
Speaker 1: of trying to get him through waivers, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: So I consider him a lock. And then for me,
Speaker 1: you know when you told me we were doing this,
Speaker 1: I spent some time last night. I think it's probably
Speaker 1: between Doran's Armstrong and Joe Jackson. If they keep ten,
Speaker 1: that's my guests. So if they keep a tenth guy,
Speaker 1: I think it would be one of those two and
Speaker 1: I would probably lean toward Doran's nick. I like the eight.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think eight is good, And yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say a nine makes it with the ninth guy,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm done there because you know, it
Speaker 1: looks like they're gonna play a lot of three four
Speaker 1: So when you think about three down linemen, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, do you need more than I understand some
Speaker 1: of those guys are playing linebacker and pass rush and
Speaker 1: all that, but I just don't see the need to
Speaker 1: have that many guys. Armstrong or Jackson. It would be
Speaker 1: it'd be a flip. It would be the guy that
Speaker 1: could be a little bit more versatile as a stand
Speaker 1: up player. But I could see Armstrong, I guess making it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm and wait, is there anybody getting
Speaker 1: suspended to start the year? I mean it seems like this,
Speaker 1: well this would be the first year in like seven
Speaker 1: years we don't have a defensive end starting the year suspension, right,
Speaker 1: I think we're going to break unless unless they move
Speaker 1: back around on Crawford, I think we're good. There's been
Speaker 1: a bad boy in Florida. If Jerry, if Jared would
Speaker 1: stop talking about that, you know how to let it lie, right,
Speaker 1: you know. That's a good point of though. Also about Crawford,
Speaker 1: and that's what makes him so good with the position
Speaker 1: flex is that's like having two guys at one. I
Speaker 1: don't think you need to have ten when you have
Speaker 1: a guy like Crawford who could play multiple spots. Griffin's
Speaker 1: playing multiple spots. So give me, give me nine with
Speaker 1: a nine and I think we're good. And yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's you have to cut ties. I guess with Jackson
Speaker 1: and Armstrong a couple of picks, but they've had some
Speaker 1: time to do something and they really haven't. Amber Um.
Speaker 1: I agree with everything they just said, both Dave and Nick.
Speaker 1: I think that out of those two, it just depends
Speaker 1: what they decide to do on other positions. But if
Speaker 1: they were to keep that extra guy, I think out
Speaker 1: of those two would just be Dorian's Armstrong. I don't
Speaker 1: think there is a full need for it, but it
Speaker 1: just I guess he's one of those that what do
Speaker 1: they do at other positions? All right, let's flip over
Speaker 1: to the linebacker position. Right now, the Cowboys have what
Speaker 1: I would think are gonna be six spots. There are
Speaker 1: seven linebackers on the roster currently, question is are they
Speaker 1: going to keep a seventh? Are they gonna stick with six?
Speaker 1: We know Jalen Smith, Layton Vanderess, Shaun Lee are definitely
Speaker 1: on this team. Question becomes what happens with the other
Speaker 1: three spots? Yes, Dave, Sorry, I you know, one of
Speaker 1: the fun things about doing the show on our phones
Speaker 1: is that I can't look at it, which apparently they
Speaker 1: have released Adam Redmond while we've been on the show,
Speaker 1: So okay, never made it easy. Yeah, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: guess they don't feel that way, which, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: would imagine maybe you go nine, No Lineman, best of
Speaker 1: luck to Adam Redmond. I think Clayton Thorson was also
Speaker 1: released today, So yeah, sorry that we were on the
Speaker 1: show while that happened. Everybody anyway, all right, So you know,
Speaker 1: so going back to know what's happening, you're real quick.
Speaker 1: You know what's happening is they out a practice here
Speaker 1: for three three more days for the cutdown day. They
Speaker 1: know what they want to do. And this is a
Speaker 1: big difference between what you've seen other coaching staffs. The
Speaker 1: previous staff is they wouldn't necessarily do this. This team
Speaker 1: is like, all right, we know we're not going to
Speaker 1: have him, don't let him get hurt and do an
Speaker 1: injury settlement and stuff like that. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: start cutting down the roster since we already know what
Speaker 1: we want to do. It's kind of I don't know
Speaker 1: what y'all think about that, but at least that's kind
Speaker 1: of refreshing to me. They go ahead and start doing that.
Speaker 1: It's amazing they you know, under Jason Garrett, they used
Speaker 1: to wait until like Saturday night, and yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you know what you want to do, get it
Speaker 1: out of the way. And also maybe give a guy
Speaker 1: like Adam Redman an opportunity to talk to some teams
Speaker 1: before you know, everything gets crazy. That's exactly right. The
Speaker 1: sooner he's out there, the sooner teams can evaluate him
Speaker 1: and determine whether he's better than what they have. Gives
Speaker 1: him an opportunity maybe to get on another team. This
Speaker 1: is great for players. I think, Yeah, all right, so
Speaker 1: let's get back to linebackers. I think Jalen Smith, Layton Vanderess,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee locks to make the team. I think there
Speaker 1: are three one spots up for grab, Joe Thomas, Justin March,
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford and Francis Bernard, Do you keep six or seven?
Speaker 1: And who are the guys that you keep out of
Speaker 1: those final guys? Let's start first with you Amber Um.
Speaker 1: Let's see, man, I think hmm, okay, I think I'm
Speaker 1: ready to say bye to Louk Giffer. That was my guy.
Speaker 1: But honestly, this this time has been so crucial for
Speaker 1: the for this year, you just cannot miss any practice time.
Speaker 1: And I think that Francis Bernard, and I know Nick
Speaker 1: has been talking about him, but he's definitely a guy
Speaker 1: that just came in and started making his name known
Speaker 1: out there on the field. I think he took that spot.
Speaker 1: I would keep, all right, you said, Layton, Jalen, Shaun Lee.
Speaker 1: I would say, Joe Thomas, Francis Bernard. And do you
Speaker 1: really need yes, I guess justin March, I mean you
Speaker 1: don't really, it's not I guess you basically keep the
Speaker 1: whole group except for one guy pretty much. Here here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Here's the thing about it. The one position
Speaker 1: that linebackers kind of mirror from the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball is a fullback and or tied end maybe.
Speaker 1: And the fact that you don't have that many physical
Speaker 1: players at full you don't have a fullback. Really that
Speaker 1: is gonna make it you're you're you're tight ends. Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz is not really a thumper, you know, type of
Speaker 1: blocker at all. Uh So you need maybe you needed
Speaker 1: a little bit more linebackers to make up for that
Speaker 1: on the special team's part, because you're not really getting
Speaker 1: that on the offensive side of the ball. So I
Speaker 1: think to answer your question about March, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you do need to keep justin March. I think you
Speaker 1: do need to keep u is it Francis Bernard? Is
Speaker 1: that his name, Bernard Francis, I don't know. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this. I almost hit him. I almost hit him
Speaker 1: with my truck in the parking lot two days ago.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't even truck, but I'm saying it was kind
Speaker 1: of a mess down there and he was walking by.
Speaker 1: I know it was him because it was the hair,
Speaker 1: and almost hit him. But you know, so we almost
Speaker 1: weren't even talking about this, but that didn't happen. They
Speaker 1: right now, is they've right now is wrapping up exactly
Speaker 1: what all of us are thinking, just like, no, please
Speaker 1: don't hit him, Please don't hit please don't hold Francis Bernard.
Speaker 1: I told Dave, No, you did. I really I think
Speaker 1: five of there's five locks. In my opinion, I think
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas makes this team for you know, if you
Speaker 1: have a capable starter as a fourth linebacker, that's wonderful depth.
Speaker 1: Francis Bernard hasn't done more than enough to make the team.
Speaker 1: I've got justin March making it. Maybe they like Gifford more,
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that they do, since Gifford has
Speaker 1: been sidelined. I would guess six, and I leaned toward March. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's a general consensus among you guys is
Speaker 1: probably gonna be six. The only reason I would caution
Speaker 1: for seventh is I do wonder how much that factors
Speaker 1: into special teams when you look at the fact that,
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, if a fullback doesn't make
Speaker 1: this team, and let's assume they only keep three tight ends,
Speaker 1: maybe they go with the fourth, but let's assume maybe
Speaker 1: they do three. I think they're gonna need some more
Speaker 1: big bodies that are athletic that they can throw out
Speaker 1: on special teams. And I do think this team is
Speaker 1: going to be very, very cautious and thoughtful about what
Speaker 1: they do as far as making their final fifty three
Speaker 1: man roster, and how it affects special teams. I know
Speaker 1: not all coaching staffs do that, but every indication is
Speaker 1: that they will do that. It makes me wonder how
Speaker 1: those how those will be tied together. If they decide
Speaker 1: to only go three at tight end and no fullback,
Speaker 1: do you go with the seventh linebacker to give you
Speaker 1: a little better, a little bit of extra help on
Speaker 1: special teams. I'll throw that back out to you, guys.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that analysis? Well, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know we were talking. Oh sorry, Nick,
Speaker 1: go ahead, you know what I want to say that.
Speaker 1: I'm not implying anything. I'm not trying to start anything.
Speaker 1: But are we sure that Sean Lee is a lock?
Speaker 1: I mean, when you ask what's even Jones was asked
Speaker 1: about him, he said he could put a coach, You
Speaker 1: could put a coaching, you know, cap on him in
Speaker 1: a whistle right now. It was a kind of a
Speaker 1: weird answer. He hasn't practiced much. I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with him. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not implying I don't know anything. He might They might
Speaker 1: just be getting him ready to play the season getting
Speaker 1: him healthy because he knows how to get his body ready.
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world
Speaker 1: if for some reason Sean Lee isn't on the roster
Speaker 1: and maybe has a different role. Again, I know nothing
Speaker 1: all about what I've seen and what I heard recently
Speaker 1: on the radio. For what Stephen said, it just sounded
Speaker 1: weird to me. I would be shocked, I'll say this,
Speaker 1: I absolutely would be two. And based upon what you
Speaker 1: guys were saying early in the show with regards to
Speaker 1: the premium that you'll have on Veterans this year, I
Speaker 1: think that is even more reason why I think he
Speaker 1: makes this team. And quite frankly, I look at it
Speaker 1: as it goes back to the first conversation we had
Speaker 1: on this show. We were talking about injuries and talking
Speaker 1: about how it seems like, at least from from what
Speaker 1: Jerry's been saying or what he said in this most
Speaker 1: recent interview about Amari, that this team is looking at
Speaker 1: the analytics and trying to figure out how they best
Speaker 1: integrate guys in, how they best pull them back, all
Speaker 1: the things that they need to do from the analytics
Speaker 1: that helped them be more predictive about how injuries could
Speaker 1: happen and try to guard guys from that. I think
Speaker 1: that's why they haven't seen as much of Sean Lee personally. Again,
Speaker 1: that's not based upon anything that I've heard. It's just
Speaker 1: based upon kind of you put all these things together
Speaker 1: and start reading the tea leaves. I think it's much
Speaker 1: more about the fact they're trying to keep him from
Speaker 1: injury then he's injured, or that he's gonna, you will
Speaker 1: be a problem for him this season. You can base
Speaker 1: it on things that you've heard. I don't remember when
Speaker 1: Stephen did another interview. Obviously, Stephen and Jerry Jones talk
Speaker 1: like five times a week. Stephen said, you know, very
Speaker 1: early on in camp, you know, he said, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: had this funny line about, like, you know, we're not
Speaker 1: worried about August eighteenth, we're worried about September thirteenth. And
Speaker 1: that's exactly that's the vibe that I give for Sean Lee. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy you don't need to worry about
Speaker 1: him getting practice reps, especially since you're not looking at
Speaker 1: him to start, you know, you're not asking him to
Speaker 1: play sixty five snaps a game, So I think the
Speaker 1: plan with Sean is just to have him ready for
Speaker 1: the season and not really worry about a whole lot else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say this, if you get to week five
Speaker 1: or six of this season and you sustain an injury
Speaker 1: to one of your two top linebackers, of all the
Speaker 1: guys that are left, I would love more than any
Speaker 1: of the others to throw Sean Lee in there as
Speaker 1: my starter at that point. So I think for that
Speaker 1: reason alone, he's the guy that makes this team. All Right,
Speaker 1: we're gon take our final break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: Let's jump into the defensive backs. We'll talk about them
Speaker 1: a bit, then we'll wrap up training camp. Will do
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Speaker 1: Amberg Dave at their homes. We're gonna wrap this thing
Speaker 1: up talking about the insive backs for the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: who we think will make the team. I think there
Speaker 1: will be ten. That's the magic number. The guys I
Speaker 1: think that are locks are Cheetah, bay A Woozia, Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, Trevon Diggs, Darryl Worley, Darian Thompson, Xavier Woods, Haha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix. That gives us eight. We got two more spots.
Speaker 1: Who do you think makes the final or do you
Speaker 1: think that numbers should be higher or Lord, we've got
Speaker 1: c J. Goodwin, Donovan Wilson, Reggie Robinson, Chris Westry, Xavion Smith,
Speaker 1: Deontay Burton, and Luther Kirk. Let's start first with you, Dave.
Speaker 1: What do you do with the defensive backpotition? I don't
Speaker 1: think you can rule out the possibility that they keep eleven.
Speaker 1: And I know that's a lot, but it speaks to
Speaker 1: how few proven things they have back there, and how
Speaker 1: many you know, guys they have competings. You know, I
Speaker 1: wrote this down. I think there's five locks at cornerback
Speaker 1: Cheeto Brown, Diggs, Jordan and Warley. And then at safety,
Speaker 1: I've got Xavier Thompson, Hah, Reggie Robinson and Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 1: And then you can't forget you know. I'm not looking
Speaker 1: to him to play cornerback, but we brave every year
Speaker 1: about CJ. Goodwin's abilities as a special teamer. So that's
Speaker 1: a name that I think is worth considering. That's probably it,
Speaker 1: though I know, you know, people love Chris Westley. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I see that, but if they really love
Speaker 1: what Goodwin brings to their special teams, maybe they keep eleven. Okay, Amber,
Speaker 1: I agree with Dave Honestly, I wasn't thinking about them
Speaker 1: keeping eleven guys, but his recently makes perfect sense. So
Speaker 1: I'm all in with Dad. There's so many guys that
Speaker 1: are just like kind of right there with each other,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was really concerned about Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: and the fact that he was missing so much time
Speaker 1: on my old man. I hope that none of these
Speaker 1: guys come and kind of pass his how do you say?
Speaker 1: Get better and then you you're leaning more towards a
Speaker 1: different guy and kind of forget about Jordian Lewis because
Speaker 1: I've always loved what Jordan Lewis can do, but looking
Speaker 1: at it and being at the end of Camp, I
Speaker 1: don't think there was any guy that actually was able
Speaker 1: to do that, and Jordan Lewis has the experience and
Speaker 1: out of that, I think you guys mentioned all the
Speaker 1: name I got right here, Darian Thompson, Cheeta, Xavier Jordan's
Speaker 1: ha ha, Darley Worley, who to me has been pretty impressive. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting him to be so to do the
Speaker 1: kind of job that he's done. Anthony Brown, Digs, Donovan Wilson,
Speaker 1: and then Reggie Robinson, so I'm not ten guys there.
Speaker 1: You take, you take Wilson and Robinson, those are your
Speaker 1: final two if they only stick with ten. Yeah, okay, CJ.
Speaker 1: Goodwin would be out for you, correct, CJ. Goodwin. I
Speaker 1: guess if they do keep ten guys like Dave said,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't mind that at all. But out of
Speaker 1: those guys, like after those, there's no one else that
Speaker 1: honestly did enough for me. I want to throw this
Speaker 1: out there. Oh yeah, lett, Nick, go, but I want
Speaker 1: to throw something out there. Okay, Nick? Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: as I say this, Dave, can we confirm does Devin
Speaker 1: Smith also been released as well? Smith has also been there? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they really timed this perfectly for us. Yeah, Devin Smith
Speaker 1: is gone, so not a huge surprise. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I would have liked to keep him, but oh well, Um.
Speaker 1: The thing is is that we get to this point
Speaker 1: of doing the roster, it's like, what's the number? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many are you? Are you keeping track? Derek?
Speaker 1: I mean, what what what are we at with keeping tracking?
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go back and do that. Tell me
Speaker 1: what you think about this these guys, and then we'll
Speaker 1: go back and do that Um, I just eleven seems
Speaker 1: too many for me, and Goodwin would be a lot
Speaker 1: higher on my list to make sure that I get
Speaker 1: in here again. I'm not trying to cut a bunch
Speaker 1: of veterans. I'm just not trying to lock them. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if ha Ha is he is he
Speaker 1: a lock? I don't know that. I mean he hasn't
Speaker 1: been playing now with Xavier Woods banged up, probably to
Speaker 1: stay on the roster here. But I mean he was
Speaker 1: brought in here to compete, I mean, to get a
Speaker 1: starting job, and he hasn't necessarily done that. So do
Speaker 1: you need him? Donald Wilson and Renci Robinson. Robinson hasn't
Speaker 1: done much of anything. You're just hoping that he will
Speaker 1: at some point. But if Maurice Kennedy opting out like that,
Speaker 1: I think CJ. Goodwin, I think he is close to
Speaker 1: a lot to make the team, honestly, So are you
Speaker 1: saying that you don't you wouldn't necessarily think that there's
Speaker 1: going to beat ten. You think because we had eight
Speaker 1: that we thought were locks, you're saying you don't even
Speaker 1: think Ha has as much of a lock. But CJ
Speaker 1: would replace him as a lock. So you're saying that,
Speaker 1: you're saying at this point nine, maybe go a number end.
Speaker 1: I'd go with I'd go with ten. If I could
Speaker 1: fit ten in, I would go with ten. So who's
Speaker 1: your tenth If you're gonna keep and you're gonna have CJ.
Speaker 1: Goodwin out of Donovan Wilson, Reggie Robinson, Chris Westry, who
Speaker 1: is your your last guy? I go with Wilson and
Speaker 1: I'm cut him a fourth round pick. I'd be a
Speaker 1: big move. I haven't. I mean, I haven't seen that
Speaker 1: since maybe two thousand and six. Skyler Green. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't remember that many fourth round picks being cut, But
Speaker 1: I don't know. He probably wouldn't pass Raver in my
Speaker 1: time here, I don't. That would signal. That would signal
Speaker 1: a pretty big shift. I mean that would say something
Speaker 1: about Mike McCarthy to me, because in the time that
Speaker 1: I've been here, and in the time that Will McClay
Speaker 1: has been running the draft, they haven't I think a
Speaker 1: fifth rounder is the highest drafted guy that they've cut. Rookie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what you can't do that, you can't cut him.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what he's had eighteen practices. I mean,
Speaker 1: you should have that eighteen practices before you go to
Speaker 1: training camp. He hasn't had that. They drafted him in
Speaker 1: the fourth round of what they knew of him. I
Speaker 1: don't think things have changed. So okay, I gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta take him back. He's gotta be you gotta go
Speaker 1: with eleven if I could fit eleven, or maybe you
Speaker 1: don't have to keep that other safety. You don't have
Speaker 1: to keep Donald Wilson or ha. Here's this is what
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up, And I mean, I think
Speaker 1: the Xavier Woods injury probably helps haha, but I definitely
Speaker 1: don't think that that's a guarantee. But the other thing
Speaker 1: is this is maybe a spot where you could get
Speaker 1: away with trading a guy on Saturday. You know, I
Speaker 1: was the first one to say I wasn't convinced Trayvon
Speaker 1: Diggs could be a starter from the get I have
Speaker 1: completely changed my mind. He absolutely looks like he's capable
Speaker 1: of starting from day one. So, I mean, I love
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, but if somebody wanted him and you could
Speaker 1: get something for him, that's something to look at. And
Speaker 1: I think he's had a really good camp. But Darryl
Speaker 1: Worley is another one. His versatility would make me reluctant
Speaker 1: to do that. But if somebody wanted to send me
Speaker 1: a fullback or a sixth round pick or something like that,
Speaker 1: I would consider it. Would you be willing to go
Speaker 1: with Anthony Brown? Trade Anthony Brown if that were available
Speaker 1: to you. I just don't know Anthony Brown's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not the biggest contract in the world, but he's
Speaker 1: on a three year, fifteen million dollar deal. So I
Speaker 1: need something, you know, I can trade Jordan Lewis First,
Speaker 1: it's more about for you. It's more about the fact
Speaker 1: that Jordan's Jordan's in the last year of his deal.
Speaker 1: That's more that it takes you for you, right, And
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if if somebody wants to give
Speaker 1: me a sixth round or seventh round pick for Jordan,
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, that's probably fair because he's only got
Speaker 1: one year left on his deal. I mean, if I'm
Speaker 1: trading Anthony Brown, I'd better be getting something better than that.
Speaker 1: And I don't know who's going to be willing to
Speaker 1: part with something better than that. Okay, so let's wrap
Speaker 1: this whole thing up the way it looks right now,
Speaker 1: based upon the numbers that we've all agreed on, and
Speaker 1: that's assuming that they're gonna be at at least ten
Speaker 1: defensive backs. It gets us to a total of fifty
Speaker 1: guys that are currently that we think currently would be
Speaker 1: on the roster. So you've got three spots and you
Speaker 1: get to choose from these players. Right, you got the fullback,
Speaker 1: You've got the two running backs Anderson and Dowdell. You
Speaker 1: have a sixth wide receiver in John Vay Johnson or
Speaker 1: Vintel Bryant. You've got an eleventh defensive lineman which would
Speaker 1: be between Joe Jackson, Rondelle Carter, Ladarius Hamilton, or Dorance Armstrong.
Speaker 1: You have a seventh linebacker which would be Luke Gifford.
Speaker 1: And you have an eleventh defensive back which would be
Speaker 1: between Donovan Wilson, Reggie Robinson Chris Westry. Where do you go?
Speaker 1: Who are those three extra players that you that you
Speaker 1: put on your team. Let's start first with you, Nick,
Speaker 1: and how many defensive backs do we have? At this point?
Speaker 1: I think we settled. We settled on ten, which meant
Speaker 1: that we were gonna make CJ. Goodwin, Donovan Wilson, and
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson. Two of those three We're gonna make it
Speaker 1: so you could take the third of that group or
Speaker 1: Chris Westry right to get you to eleven, you gotta
Speaker 1: keep Reggie Robinson, now change from mine there, so I gotta,
Speaker 1: I gotta ki it'd be good with Wilson. Reggie Robinson's
Speaker 1: that's one of your spots. You got two more? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I let them pick those. We gotta we gotta each
Speaker 1: got three spots. I'll pick one. I'll take Reggie Robinson,
Speaker 1: all right, Dave between Luke Gifford and Joe Jackson Vintel Bryant. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cheat because if that's the case, like it'll
Speaker 1: there will be a guy or two here that wasn't
Speaker 1: at camp. That's the way it always goes. Um whether
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be ye, I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: guess it'll be on offense. I mean they've I mean,
Speaker 1: defense is crowded anyway, So I'm gonna guess, Uh, one
Speaker 1: way or another, they're gonna add a extra running back
Speaker 1: slash fullback or a fourth tight end who can do
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. Um, Yeah, that's my guess, is
Speaker 1: somebody on offense that can contribute to the blocking aspect
Speaker 1: of everything all right, Amber, So what where are we
Speaker 1: at now? Basically, I need you to give me one
Speaker 1: player out of all of those that hasn't been selected
Speaker 1: that you think will make this team. So you had
Speaker 1: the fallback, You had the two running backs Anderson Dowdle.
Speaker 1: You had the two receivers John Vay Johnson and Vintel Bryant.
Speaker 1: You had some of the defensive lineman Joe Jackson, Dorance Armstrong,
Speaker 1: you had Luke Gifford Um and you had Chris Westry.
Speaker 1: Those are guys you're choosing from. Well now, with hearing
Speaker 1: that Demon Smith was cut, I mean, do you now
Speaker 1: decide to keep jump bad Johnson? That would have been
Speaker 1: my next guy out of the group. I know, Um,
Speaker 1: I've seen some things from benel Brian, but I wasn't
Speaker 1: too crazy honestly about him. And now with the injury,
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with anyone that's starting off
Speaker 1: the season with injury. Like I'm sorry, but stop it,
Speaker 1: stop it. Don't even say a poor guy. A poor guy.
Speaker 1: He has such a great spirit. He stands out there
Speaker 1: with his helmet on even though he's not doing anything,
Speaker 1: but he has the helmet on and he's out there
Speaker 1: in the bag kind of going through the motions even
Speaker 1: though he's not doing much. But out of those guys,
Speaker 1: I think I would add did you say Donovan Wilson, Yes,
Speaker 1: he's already we're saying he's already on the team. Okay,
Speaker 1: if that's assuming that C J. Goodwin and Reggie Robinson.
Speaker 1: Basically you can take all three of those guys if
Speaker 1: you want to use one of that, would I would?
Speaker 1: I think that there would be some other guys coming
Speaker 1: from other teams, But based on what we currently have
Speaker 1: on this roster, if I had to choose out of
Speaker 1: those guys, I think I would keep those three guys
Speaker 1: because the secondary is just full of question marks. So
Speaker 1: out of those, I just think we just need the bodies.
Speaker 1: So it looks like under those circumstances, based on what
Speaker 1: you guys have all said, cowboys will give up on
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson, Dorance Armstrong, they would give up on Luke Gifford,
Speaker 1: they give up on Chris Westry. Those are the names
Speaker 1: that I think would be the most notable among the cuts.
Speaker 1: Based upon what you guys are saying, you guys all
Speaker 1: cool with that, Yeah, and remember about about you can
Speaker 1: say give up on Doran's armstrong and give up on
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson. This team went ahead and signed Everson Griffin.
Speaker 1: They went out and got Alden Smith, absolutely drafted Bradley
Speaker 1: and I I mean like they did those things, you know,
Speaker 1: in the offseasoning knowing very well that Joe Jackson, dorn
Speaker 1: Troms Traum were on the team. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: not so much giving up. It's just that they had
Speaker 1: to protect themselves. And I don't think they've done anything
Speaker 1: to say, whoa you know what about me? So I
Speaker 1: think I think you do have to move on. All
Speaker 1: right With that, We're gonna wrap the show. We'll be
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