1 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My 2 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope wherever you are and wherever 3 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: you are listening to, hope that you oh there, we 4 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: are just standing right here across the room. There we go. 5 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hammer Territory Podcast. Gotta make sure that 6 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 1: you see loud and clear, that proud to be their braves, 7 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: background whatever. But hey, we've got some excitement in the 8 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: room because Stephen Talbert is back. That is correct, Gulliver 9 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: himself back from his travels. Very excited to have him back. Stephen. 10 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: I hope that you are well rested, sir, A brand 11 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: new man with an awesome how's everything going, sir? Welcome back? 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: Not the damn things changed? 13 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. What's up, buddy. It's great to be 14 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: back on with you. I miss talking to you every week. 15 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: I actually did miss the show. Even though the team sucks, 16 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: I miss talking about him. It's one of my favorite 17 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: things to do, even when they're bad. So it's good 18 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: to be back. It is funny watching the games and 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: just being like, suck right back into the you know, 20 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: just the absolute shit show that is the twenty twenty 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: five season. But it is what it is. And you know, 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: it's trade deadline week, and so we're gonna focus on 23 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: the main thing, which is the trade deadline. Right now, 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: the Braves have some very interesting pieces who are playing 25 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: better at a really opportune time and maybe help the 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: Braves out by Thursday's deadline, six pm deadline on Thursdays, 27 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: the trade deadline. So yeah, a couple of things to 28 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: get to. Obviously, we had an injury in tonight's game 29 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: that we're gonna talk about. But as always, it's great 30 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: to better with you, buddy and your muted look at this, 31 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: this is just class. 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, I was saying, I was saying, glad to 33 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: have you back. It's always always good to be with you. 34 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: Man. 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: I hope you and your family had a wonderful time. 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: But let's get right into it. Yes, you know that 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: the Braves kind of surprisingly, you know, it's kind of 38 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: you know, disappointing that they haven't made a trade so far, 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: because we've had two straight days of trades, and that, 40 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: of course is relevant today. Eric Fetti, who the Braves 41 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: traded four on Sunday. He started tonight in Kansas City 42 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: four point two innings, give up four innings, pitch. He 43 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: looked like a pitcher who was traded to come, who 44 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: is acquired to come and eat innings for a team 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: that's not looking to contend. And that's exactly what he 46 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: looked like. But of course, Steven, the other news is 47 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: is that we made another deal for the same reason, 48 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: acquiring veteran starter Carlos Grasco College. Grasco has had what 49 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: a fifteen what twelve to fifteen year career in the majors. 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: I know that he's had some injury history, but again, 51 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: his acquisition is nothing more than just bringing in an 52 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: arm that could eat in needs for the Braves. He 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: had shown the ability to do that at Triple A 54 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: after he had been designated for assignment earlier this year. 55 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: Your thoughts on the Fetti Carrasco trades and the fact 56 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: that we got some veteran leadership that means absolutely nothing 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: other than just, hey, go through one hundred pitches. 58 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, we were calling for this back when sale 59 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: got hurt like six weeks ago. I'm kind of I 60 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: don't know really why they took so long to do it. 61 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: I don't know why they just decided to go bullpen 62 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: game after bullpen game this is what we were expecting 63 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: them to do a while ago, and it took like 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: six weeks to get it done. But yeah, these kind 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: of guys, these guys who are terrible. Listen to both 66 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: these guys. Fetti was dfaed by the Cardinals and the 67 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: Braves picked him up. Carrasco was in the Yankees' Triple 68 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: A team or something like that. I can't remember exactly 69 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: what it was. But both these guys are bad, and 70 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: they're supposed to be bad. I mean, that's why they're 71 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: available for nothing. But it's better than throwing your prospects 72 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: who aren't ready to be in the majors, throwing into 73 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: the wolves. And that's what we didn't really understand about 74 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: what was happening with the Diddy or Flintest stuff. I 75 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: just go get guys like this who can just eat innings. 76 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how bad they are the Brave. Listen. 77 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: If you haven't caught on by now, I hope that 78 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: you have caught onto the fact that the Brave season 79 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: is effectively over, Like it's not actually over. They got 80 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: to play games, but this season's going nowhere and it has 81 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: been for a while. So this is what you do. 82 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: You go find a couple of This is this is 83 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: like when you you know, when you pop three tires 84 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: on the interstate and you get three donuts, and you 85 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: got to get the last fifty miles to the service station. 86 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: And that's what the Braves did. They went and found 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: a couple of donuts to stick on the car so 88 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: they can drag it to the service station, which is 89 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: the off season, and just get it to the house 90 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: without anything else burning down. And that's what these guys are. 91 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: That's what I expect them to be. I expect them 92 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: to be terrible. These games will not be fun to watch, 93 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: but it's better than burning through your prospects. So this 94 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: is what they should have done. 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely. And the thing is is that you know, we've 96 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: talked about it, you know, second half storylines. Watch some 97 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: of our prospects, see what they can do at the 98 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: triple A level, dole level, what have you. That's going 99 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: to be interesting to see if it makes sense. If 100 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: one of them were just absolutely you know, doing great 101 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: in the minors and you want to give them a 102 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: spot start, maybe a Hurston waldrit for instance, go ahead, 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: see what he's got. Get an idea of where Hurston 104 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: Waldrick could be next year. Something like that makes sense. 105 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: But you know, Burning Jr. Richie passed his innings limit 106 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: for this year to pitch in the majors. That doesn't 107 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: make sense, and that's why you go and make this 108 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: move for the starters that they did. But of course 109 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: we talk about the season being effectively over, and Scott 110 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: and I talked about it on multiple occasions last week. Steven, 111 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: that means that the whole mentality for the team it's 112 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: going to change. And we saw an aspect of that tonight. 113 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: Ronald Acune Junior, it appeared last night Monday night that 114 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: he was favoring his right side a bit, and then 115 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: tonight on a couple of different plays going into foul 116 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: territory and then running after a ball in the right center, 117 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: he was not him so running down those balls, and 118 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: so the Braves removed him from the game. We later 119 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: come to find out that it was a right achilles tightness. 120 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: Now I mentioned that there's no indication or anything that 121 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: it's some type of serious concern. It seems to be 122 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: more precautionary. But when it comes to an achilles, Steven, 123 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned that's not anything you want to hear when 124 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: it comes to an achilles. You have every reason to 125 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: not only be precautionary in normal situations, but especially when 126 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: you have no reason to push your true franchise player. 127 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it would have been great if the 128 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: team could have hit us with like a calf tightness. 129 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: I know that's basically the same thing. But anytime you 130 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: see the word achilles, your hard stops, of course, because obviously, 131 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: if you tear that thing, it's a it's a year 132 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: plus injury. So and I'll buy all reports, all signs. 133 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: It looks relatively minor, pretty precautionary, but at this point, like, 134 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: it wasn't done me. If they still put him on 135 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: the IL. It wasn't done me if they I don't 136 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: think he was gonna play tomorrow anyways, because he's been 137 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: dealing with back tightness at times. He's looked uncomfortable in 138 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: the field, like something's bothering him. Whatever it is, Sit 139 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: the dude for as long as he needs. I don't care. 140 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: Call him in six months for all I care. Like 141 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: we don't need to see Ronald Kuna Junior play any 142 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: more games in twenty twenty five. If he's not physically 143 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: one hundred percent, there's there's nothing you can gain and 144 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: a ton you can lose. So my take is, I'm 145 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: not a doctor, I'm not obviously, I'm not examining him. 146 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: But if there's anything anything remotely close to an injury, 147 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: you sit him, and you sit him for as long 148 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: as it takes to get him one hundred percent healthy 149 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: and then set him one more day and then play it. 150 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: And you know, there's just absolutely no point in risking 151 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: anything with Ronald, especially if it's got anything to do 152 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: with an achilles. Just rusting rest and rest and wresting. 153 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely and it sucks to see, you know, overall, Ronald 154 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: Cooney Junior, you just know, wants to play ball. Like 155 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: That's the thing that stands out to me about these 156 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: players that you know, we consider to be our core, 157 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: we consider to be the reasons why it's not far 158 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: fetched to see the Braves wanting to contend again. In 159 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, Austin Riley just came back from from 160 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: an injury. Chris Sale, Spencer swelling Boy, Ronald Cooney junior, 161 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: Spencer Strider was just out for a year. These guys, 162 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: part of the reason that makes them so great is 163 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: they just love to play ball and they just consistently can't. Like, 164 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: I'm not blaming this year on injuries. I want to 165 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: make that clear. Injuries are a factor into this season. 166 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: They've been an unfortunate factor in two past seasons. We'll 167 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: talk about them in a bit more later on in 168 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: the episode, but to me, they're not the factor into 169 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: why we've sucked this year. It just sucks that these 170 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: players that we know love to play the game simply 171 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: cannot do it consistently without having to deal with these 172 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: indies or or they're having to sit to the side 173 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: even when they're healthy, potentially because we don't want to 174 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: risk further injury when what we're doing right now doesn't matter. 175 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like we made fun of the Mets 176 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: for all those years because they couldn't keep anybody on 177 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 2: their roster healthy. It feels like that's come back to 178 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: bite us a little bit, like almost like you know, 179 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: the World Series we won in twenty one, it's like, 180 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: you know, all the good grace that came with that, 181 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: It's like, here's the other shoe, you know, the other 182 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: side of that coin is just like crazy injury, bad 183 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: luck the last two years. And no, this team was 184 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: bad before it lost its entire rotation, but losing the 185 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: entire rotation is obviously going to take them to a 186 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: whole nother level of bad. And obviously if you have 187 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: injuries to Acuna or any of your other star position players, 188 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: it's just a whole other level of misery. So the 189 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: Braves are do some good injury luck, at least starting 190 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. Obviously twenty twenty five is coming 191 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: gone at this point, but my god, can we get 192 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: a season where we just not even have like perfect 193 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: injury luck, just like normal injury luck. I mean, it's 194 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: just been it's been absurd the last two years. 195 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: And even before that, like you know, and it happens 196 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: to our best players, like it's. 197 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: Not only and they're like they're like season long injuries. 198 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's significant injuries. So you know, again, not blaming 199 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: this year on injuries at all. It's it's just a 200 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: simple truth. It's just unfortunate that there's a layers to 201 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: the disappointment that we see in twenty twenty five, and 202 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: the one difference between injuries and all the other factors 203 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: that potentially could be corrected if you keep seeing injuries 204 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: to your pitching staff, especially or injuries to the level 205 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: of like an Achilles for Ronodkune Junior. Again, don't want 206 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: to scare any when it doesn't appear that there's any 207 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: serious injury. The point that I'm getting at is these 208 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: injuries that keep occurring when we get into the second 209 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: half of the season, if they're serious, they now start 210 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: to affect twenty six and that's when it really gets unfortunate. 211 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: But hey, we've got plenty of time to talk about 212 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: the last two months of the season in twenty six. 213 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the now, the excited to ask back 214 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: to being for less than forty eight hours away from 215 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: the trade deadline. 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Your biology decoded, your blueprint activated with Superpower. 237 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 3: After your purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them, 238 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: and please support FT and tell them we sent you. 239 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: All right, Steven, So let's get right into what everybody 240 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: really wants to talk about this week with where we 241 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: are in the baseball calendar, and that of course is trades. 242 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: And you know, we've seen some you know, pretty significant 243 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: trades that have occurred, some lower level trades. It seemed 244 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: like that's going to kind of be the level that 245 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: trades are going to be this year. You're not really 246 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: going to see a lot of superstar names or even 247 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: all star level names trades involved in trades more just 248 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: kind of moves on the margin roll players that can 249 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: boost bull pins or you know, bottom of the orders, 250 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: what have you. But this clearly is though a seller's market. 251 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: What I mean with that is is that if you 252 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: are a clear seller, you could have an opportunity to 253 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: get a pretty relevant return for now and beyond if 254 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: that is your goal. And that's where the Braves find themselves. 255 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: So let's kind of go through the names here and 256 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: we'll start with marcel Oz Ozuna, of course has been 257 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: sitting more often as late as the brain is starting 258 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: to transition into that Drake Baldwin Sean Murphy Catcher DH 259 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: roll kind of just you know, giving Marcello Zu an 260 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: indication of how the rest of the season would go, 261 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: because that's what they're going to be focused on with 262 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: the future. But the last two games, Azuna has reminded 263 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: people that he can still make a difference with the 264 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: bat and that's great to see. And with the fact 265 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: that you just don't see the likelihood of many notable 266 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: names position player wise moving at the trade deadline, that 267 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: that Tho was in his recent performance may boost the 268 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: return that the Braves could look to get. 269 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is interesting. So I think the Braves 270 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: met a very tactical I think they made a very 271 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: tactical decision when they decided about three weeks before the 272 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: deadline to start sitting Marcel, and I think what they 273 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: were trying to relate to him, either directly or indirectly, 274 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: was this is what's going to happen the rest of 275 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: the season, and so if you want to continue to 276 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 2: build your value for your free agency in the winter, 277 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: what's going to be best for you is if you 278 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: let us trade you to a team where you'll play 279 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: every day because they're trying to win a you know, 280 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: whoever we trade you to is trying to win a 281 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: playoff game or you know, win a pennant or whatever 282 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: it is. And obviously that matters. Because Marcell has ten 283 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: five rights, he has veto rights on any trade, and 284 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: so I think the Braves have done that, and I 285 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: think the message was received, and the reporting that we've 286 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: gotten is that Marcel is very open to being traded, 287 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: and I think the Braves are very interested in trading him. 288 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: And then on top of that, you add that Marcel 289 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: has actually gotten hot, like I think he's got four 290 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: homers in his last seven starts, he's hit two in 291 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: a row in the last two nights in Kansas City. 292 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: I would be surprised if he's in the lineup beginning tomorrow, 293 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: assuming he's not traded the trade deadlines on Thursday, obviously. 294 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: So this is gonna be interesting because there are not 295 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: a lot of middle of the older bats, and when 296 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: Marcel is hitting the ball over the fence, when you 297 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: add him his already really really strong on base percentage. 298 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: When you had both those together, Marcel is a middle 299 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: of the older bat, and you're if you're a team 300 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: that's trying to win a World Series this year, you 301 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: can kind of convince yourself with that, and listen, there 302 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: are plenty teams in baseball that need more offense, that 303 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: need more right handed power. The Rangers, the Mariners, like 304 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: I'm the Padres, most of them, most teams. Honestly, the 305 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: Yankees just lost Judge for an unspecified amount of time. 306 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: Like it's possible they could get something decent for him. 307 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm not. They're They're not going to get like anybody's 308 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: number one prospect, I don't think, but like a real 309 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: prospect that's got real potential that you know that you know, 310 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: a name that you would know. So it has definitely 311 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: gotten more interested in the last couple days, and I'm 312 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: pretty convinced he's gonna get traded. I'm at like eighty 313 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: five ninety percent convinced he's gonna get moved. I don't 314 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: know where you are, but I think the Braves did 315 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: a smart thing by showing him it's best for all 316 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: parties if we kind of part ways here. I think 317 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: he got the message. I think his improved play is 318 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: going to help a lot. So I'm actually pretty encouraged 319 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: by this whole development at the moment. 320 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I wouldn't blame anymore. Like, as a matter 321 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: of fact, I would have pulled him after the home 322 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: run and just said, Okay, you've done your part, and yes, 323 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: I would be looking to move him. I would definitely 324 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: be looking to move him. It just makes all the 325 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: sense in the world. You're doing right by him, you're 326 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: doing right by your future. Maybe, especially if you pay 327 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: down the salary that's owed to him, maybe you can 328 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: get something decent. We'll talk about, you know, potentially, specifically 329 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: what we might look for in returns in just a moment. 330 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: So I think it's pretty clear Marcel Ozuna, especially with 331 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: the fact that several teams are looking for middle of 332 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: the order bats, and he clearly likely is not going 333 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: to cost as much as maybe a Eugenio Suarez or 334 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: somebody that's controlled beyond this year. There's just a lot 335 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: of factors that make it make sense for the Brads 336 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: to move on from Marcello Zuna for that same reason. 337 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: I think a couple of other names that are worth 338 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: talking about are right Sollyglazias, as well as Piers Johnson. Now, 339 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: if the Braves wanted to hold on to Pierce Johnson, 340 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't blame them at all, but I do think 341 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: that he is an asset to dangle out there because 342 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: of the fact I know that every year it seems 343 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: like that the bullpen market for trades is saturated, but 344 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: it's because every team needs bullpen help, and you've got 345 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: so many teams that have already made moves for bullpen 346 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: help that once again it could have it. And with 347 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: Iglesias and Pierce Johnson, Stephen, the one thing that you 348 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: have with them that you don't have with others is 349 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: that they have a long track record of being effective 350 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: and still are right now, which that reliability certainly matters 351 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: now I'm gonna set the stage here. Steven had a 352 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: wonderful time from what I hear on his cruise with 353 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: the family, just to join life not having to worry 354 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: about bravest baseball. But the man is a baseball lifer. 355 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: He loves baseball. So we're going to open this segment. 356 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: We're going to spend the next little bit with Tobart's 357 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: tropical takes. Steven Talbert, you were on the clock. Let's 358 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: first start with Rice l Iglesias and the idea of 359 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: what a trade for him. 360 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: It looked like, yeah, so Ricel is the most complicated 361 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: because it's our rental. So you're gonna get limited You're 362 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: gonna get a limited return. You just have to know 363 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: that going in. Now, excuse me, what I would do 364 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: one hundred with him and Marcel is I would excuse me, 365 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: I would trade down these contracts or I would pay 366 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 2: down these contracts. I think Marcel. So Marcel made sixteen 367 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: million this year, so like one third of that is 368 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: like six million bucks, which is what he's owed. Iglesias 369 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: is very similar. I think Iglesias might be it's seventeen million, 370 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: so very similar. So if you look at those those guys, 371 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 2: each are owed about six million bucks the rest of 372 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 2: the year. Well, there's not a lot of I mean, 373 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: there's a number of contenders that literally can't afford to 374 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: add another six million dollars to their payroll. And if 375 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 2: you force the team that's acquiring them to take on 376 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: that money, that just limits the number of teams that 377 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: can do it. If you agree, however, to pay that money, 378 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: every single team on the trade market that needs a 379 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: reliever or needs a middle of the older bat is 380 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: now in play for your guy, and the Braves were 381 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: already planning on spending this money. Spend the money, pay 382 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: it down one hundred percent, and get the best prospect 383 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: you can for both of them. That is my take 384 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 2: on a Glass. I have no idea what he's going 385 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: to get traded for. Predicting trades is impossible baseball, because 386 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: even if you try to find like prospect lists and 387 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 2: who the best guy is, you have no idea how 388 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: the team itself views each of these prospects because every 389 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 2: team is different. Every team views another team's prospects completely different, 390 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: so picking individual packages is impossible. But for Iglesias and 391 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: for Marcel, my number one take is pay down the contract, 392 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: pay down the contract, get as many teams involved in 393 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 2: these two guys as possible. They're they're performing decently well 394 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 2: at a great time for you. Pay down the contracts, 395 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 2: get as many teams as involved, and get the best 396 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: return you can. Because they're rentals, their markets are already suppressed. 397 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: Do the best you can with that by paying down 398 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: the contracts. Do you have an opinion on that? 399 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm gonna go one step further. What I 400 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: would be telling teams, especially these teams like the Texas Rangers, 401 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: who are looking for a bat as well as bullpen help, 402 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: tell them you'll combine Rice Selliglacius and mar Solo Zuna. 403 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: Tell them you can have Marcelo Zuna, you can have 404 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: Ryce Elliglacias, and you can have ten million dollars. Here's 405 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: the specific top fifteen prospect that I want plus a 406 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: lottery ticket. That's what I would look to do. Maximize 407 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: your total value. And I think you potentially could do 408 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: that by trading them together for teams that need that 409 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: type of difference, because there's a lot of teams that 410 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: need both that middle of the order bat as well 411 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: as that bullpen help. Getting these guys who have had 412 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: the track record about Zuna and Iglesias. I bet that 413 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: would be an intriguing proposal to someone. Here's Azuna, here's 414 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: Rysull Iglesias, and here's ten million dollars. Let's talk prospects, 415 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: and that gives you the opportunity to really increase your 416 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: chances of getting that relevant arm, that relevant position player 417 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: that you like. That is a strategy that I would 418 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: potentially implement the right situation if I were the Braves. 419 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. You don't see that a lot. 420 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 2: Actually teams usually prefer trading guys individually because they feel 421 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: like they can get more. But when it's a rental 422 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: situation like this, I think that logic actually holds up 423 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: decently well. Like, combine them, instead of getting two lower 424 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: level prospects, combine them, try to get maybe one kind 425 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: of more upper level prospect. I don't hate that. So 426 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: with Pierce Johnson, and this is a this is a 427 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: controversial one because everybody has a different opinion on what 428 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 2: to do with Pierce. First of all, let's be clear 429 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: about something, and I'm gonna throw this take to our guy, 430 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: Brad Rowland, because he's made it. He's made this point 431 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 2: a bunch, and he's one hundred percent right. Pierce Johnson 432 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: has team controlled next year. Pierce Johnson has team control 433 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 2: next year. If they trade Pierce Johnson, they will have 434 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: traded a guy that has team controlled next year. Now 435 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: I think they should pick trade Pierce Johnson. But the 436 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: all the reporting for the last six weeks has been 437 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: the Braves are not trading anybody that's got team control. 438 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: But for some reason, Pierce Johnson's name keeps being included 439 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: in like trade articles. That is that he's available. Well, 440 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 2: Pierce Johnson has team control next year. Now, yeah, it's 441 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: a team option. It's not guaranteed money, but that that 442 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: team option is guaranteed to be picked up, so it's 443 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: basically guaranteed money. So you know, that's been bugging Brad 444 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: like crazy, and it's been bugging me too. It doesn't 445 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: actually make any sense that Pierce Johnson's name keeps being included. 446 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: But my take on Pierce Johnson is he's he is 447 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: having a fantastic seed. Pierce Johnson has an ERA in 448 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: the two five. I knew he was having a good year. 449 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: I did not realize Pierce Johnson had an ERA in 450 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: the two point five. Like it's like a two point 451 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: five six ERA or something like that. He's having an 452 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: unbelievable year. When you have a reliever having this good 453 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: of year, the odds of his value ever being higher 454 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: than this are just always not great. That's just how 455 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: relievers are and you need to take advantage of that. 456 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 2: And I know people gonna say they're gonna try to 457 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: win next year. I still believe you can build a 458 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: bullpen in the offseason, especially if you've got some decent 459 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: young guys like they do that they're gonna try out 460 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: for the bullpen probably in the last two months of 461 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 2: the season. You still have Dylan Lee. I'm not saying 462 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: you try to with Dylan Lee and just tear the 463 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: whole thing down. But Pierce Johnson on that deal, with 464 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: a year and a half a team control could bring 465 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: you back a legitimate like this is not a rental. 466 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 2: You could get a legitimate prospect for Pierce Johnson. And 467 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: again it's a reliever. Yeah, he might be good next year, 468 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: he also might be hurt or sucked next year. Are 469 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: not days, Bill. Look at Joejamenez from last year to 470 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: this year, look at Risel from last year to this year. 471 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: That's what happens with relievers. You don't know they could 472 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 2: just it's just it's so volatile. If you have one 473 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: that's good right now that you can move for real value, 474 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: I think you have to do it, and I understand 475 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: the argument for not doing it. I trust me. I 476 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 2: see him. I mentioned every time he gets brought up. 477 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: I understand the argument. But I'm trading Pierce Johnson. That 478 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: incredible year he is having, having another year of team 479 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 2: control next year. I think he's probably your best trade ship. Honestly, 480 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: I would do it. 481 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: I would as well, because again to me, it's always 482 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: I trust Alex and Thopoulos's ability to go find another 483 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: reliever between now and next year who could perform at 484 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: the level of Pierce Johnson. You've got Joejamenez coming back 485 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: next year. You've got Dylan Lee as well. You've been 486 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: able to find pieces in the past. I know I 487 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: was an advocate. 488 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: For the Bullpen. 489 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: Over the past couple of months, we've seen as their 490 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: usage has gone up. As you've mentioned, Stephen, they have 491 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: not been that great. So that's a fair point as well. 492 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: But this is why I agree with you in trading 493 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: Pierce Johnson. It's because Alex and Thoppless's strength of his 494 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: has been going to find underperforming relievers and bring them 495 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: here to Atlanta and they perform quite well. Trust in 496 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: your ability to do that and get value from one 497 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: that you've already done that with. That's why I would 498 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: trade Pierce Johnson. So I completely agree. Now we're talking 499 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: about trading these guys, and I know that Steven had 500 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: mentioned it's hard to really put names to a potential return. 501 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: But what might we be looking for when it comes 502 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: to a potential return. 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We're in the midst 531 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: of Tolbert's tropical takes, one of three takes from Stephen Tolbert, 532 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: the Man himself back from vacation. His first one was 533 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: a pretty logical one, in discussing Pierce Johnson potentially being traded. 534 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: We have two more that will wait you as we 535 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: wrap up this edition of the Hember Territory Podcast. But 536 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: before we get to that, Stephen, I know that you 537 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: had just mentioned it's hard to put names to a 538 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: potential return for the Braves, but I don't think that 539 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to identify what this team needs and it's 540 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: them getting what they don't have. And for me, that 541 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: is two potential things. Number One, I want back a older, 542 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: outfilled prospect that has shown a track record of being productive. 543 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it's in college, maybe it's he's blocked and he's 544 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: had a year or two of good major or minor 545 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: league production. I want that in our system because we 546 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: don't have that right now. And the reason why we 547 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: don't have that right now is because we've not been 548 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: able to identify that. But we need that right now 549 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: because going into next year, you're gonna have Jerkson Profar 550 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: coming off his ped suspension. Who is Jerrickson Profar? Michael 551 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: Harris are very disappointing your offensively though he's picked it 552 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: up as a plate and I don't think that it 553 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: should be lost on anyone. Michael Harris has had some 554 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: injury concerns in the past himself, and of course Ronald 555 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: Acoba Junior, who once again unfortunately has a bit of 556 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: an injury scare. You need some outfield depth in the system, 557 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: some outfield depth that's relevant. Go get that type of talent. 558 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: The other thing I want to go get a controllable 559 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: bullpen arm. Alex and Thoppolis can identify bullpen pieces. We 560 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: need to get some bullpen pieces that are reliable, that 561 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: don't cost much. Those are two potential things I would 562 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: focus on. 563 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: Yes, I think those are both very good points, especially 564 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: the outfield because we have seen you know, Alex has 565 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 2: talked about it, like you very rare. It's like almost 566 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: like a rotation, you very rarely just need three outfielders 567 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: in a season, And it seems like they have had 568 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: to go out and get outfielders mid season in mass 569 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: more than once, where they've had to go get two 570 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: or three outfielders because they have nothing in their system 571 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: that even resembles like a major league caliber outfielder one 572 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: because they don't. I mean, they've just been drafting so 573 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: pitching heavy the last seven or eight years. And then 574 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: add in the international markets where they really haven't been 575 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: they just have nothing and so that's a great one. 576 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: I agree with that. Relievers. Of course, I can hear 577 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: people already saying we need shortstop prospects. Oh, yes, of 578 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: course we'll take any shortstop prospects. I can hear people 579 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: say we need starters because Bryce Elder is still like 580 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: the sixth best charter on this in this franchise, and 581 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not sure how tenable that is going forward, 582 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 2: although the Braves do have some really exciting young pitchers 583 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: coming into Triple A, either now or in the next 584 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: you know, a few weeks months, whatever. So yeah, I 585 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 2: agree with that. And what I would add to that 586 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 2: is there is a there is a line of thinking 587 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: about BPA which is just best player available that can 588 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 2: also stand for best prospect available, where like you just 589 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: take the best offer, like even if it's not necessarily 590 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: a position that you need, you just take the best. 591 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: You just get as much value as you can and 592 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: figure it out. And I I do agree with that 593 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: with some extent. But I the outfield need is so 594 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: dire in the in the minor leagues for the Braves 595 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: that I think I would side with you on this, Sean. 596 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 2: I think the Braves do need to target a young, 597 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: like controllable, exciting outfielder, because every single year, without fail, 598 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: they need outfielders and they have nothing in their system 599 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: to go get. I've got a couple more takes, but 600 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think they do need to 601 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: go get an outfielder somewhere in these trades. And if 602 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: they trade Pierce Johnson, I agree they need to include 603 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: get some sort of relief prospect back where they can 604 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: you know, they can reasonably assume that guy is gonna 605 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: be out play a role in the twenty twenty six bullpit. 606 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely and so and those I think are also reasonable 607 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 1: takes because those type of outfielders. I don't want a 608 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: lottery ticket. I don't want someone who's really nineteen. I mean, 609 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: if you go get a stud prospect who's nineteen, who's 610 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: in the top five of somebody's system by all means, 611 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: but who's got a little bit of production, go get 612 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: a guy who you know may not necessarily be a star, 613 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: but can call up and you know, eventually be your 614 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: long term answer and left field. That's the type of thing. 615 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: And see, I would say teams are usually pretty okay 616 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: with trading those guys. Yeah, it's harder to get like 617 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: shortstop prospects because everybody wants them, but like outfielders, especially 618 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: if they're blocked in any way. I feel like that's 619 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: a reasonable I feel like there's a reasonable idea. 620 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: Now there's a certain Texas Rangers prospect who's number ten 621 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: in their system right now. I won't go into this 622 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: because Steven hates when I talk about former balls, but 623 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: my point is is that I think that that's something 624 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: I would target that in a potential relief form that 625 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: could step up as soon as next year. Okay, so 626 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: back to to tropical takes. The first take, of course, 627 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,959 Speaker 1: was a very very logical one, Pierce Johnson on the 628 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: move in a market that should net you a very 629 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: good return with the need for right handed relief Pidgy Talbert. 630 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: Tropical takes Number two when it comes to the trade deadline, 631 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: would be. 632 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: If you are going to explore a trade for Sean 633 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: Murphy in the off season, there is absolutely no reason 634 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: not to do it now. And I will give you 635 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: my logic. So I was sitting on a beach in 636 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: Jamaica and I was doing what everybody does. I was 637 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: reading positioned by position trade market pieces, and one thing 638 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,959 Speaker 2: I had discovered is that there are no decent catchers 639 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: to trade in this market, none like the best, the 640 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: best guys like Joey Bart And there are multiple teams 641 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: that need good catchers. And here's my logic. If you're 642 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: gonna explore the trade anyways in the offseason, you've already 643 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: decided which way you're gonna go. You're just delaying it. 644 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: And the reason you're delaying it is because it is 645 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: hard to trade starting catchers in the off season. All Right, 646 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 2: I'm sorry mid season, but that's a problem for the 647 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: team that's buying, not a team that's selling. If somebody 648 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 2: wants to bring Sean Murphy in mid season and they 649 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: feel like they can get him, you know, adjusted to 650 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: a new pitching staff on the fly, that's on them. 651 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: That's their problem. That's not your problem. But if you're 652 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 2: going to explore this in the off season, why not 653 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: explore it now where there's no other catchers on the market. 654 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: Sean Murphy's having a terrific season. You could get a 655 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: tremendous return. Sean Murphy would then be able to contribute 656 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: to another postseason for the team that's acquiring him, which 657 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: adds to his value. Now, if you're not gonna trade 658 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: him at the if you're not gonna trade him in 659 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 2: the off season. If you are, if you have decided 660 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: that you're gonna keep both of them into the future, 661 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 2: which is a reasonable take, then this is this is 662 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: you can ignore this whole take, but if you're gonna 663 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: explore it. And I was thinking about this because I 664 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: was in my head. I was thinking, well, Sean Murphy trade, 665 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: that's gotta be in the off season. But then I 666 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: stopped to think, why does it have to be in 667 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: the off season Because a team has a hard time 668 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 2: getting a new catcher up to speed. But if they're 669 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: willing to do it, they're the one that has to 670 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: do that. You don't. You just have to get the 671 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: big return. So if you're gonna explore it in the 672 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: off season, do it now where there is no other 673 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: good catchers on the market. There's multiple teams that need 674 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 2: a catcher, multiple teams that have really good farm systems 675 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: that need a catcher, Like it's on them to get 676 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 2: to get Sean Murphy up to speed on their on 677 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: their pitchers. It's not your that's not your deal. So 678 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 2: if you're gonna explore trading Sean Murphy in the off season, 679 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 2: there's absolutely no reason not to do it now. It's 680 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 2: take number two. 681 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: So I agree and disagree. I think that you make 682 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: sense and the fact that, listen, you're not suggesting just 683 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: trade Sean Murphy. To trade Sean Murphy, and. 684 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: I want to make that point clear, only if you're 685 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: can considering only if you're doing it in the off 686 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 2: season anyway. Yeah, I'm not saying if they've decided they 687 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: don't want to trade Sean Murphy, then you can ignore 688 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: this whole take. But if they have decided we're going 689 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 2: to trade Sean Murphy, we're just gonna do it in 690 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: the off season. That I don't agree with that. I 691 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 2: think you could do it now well. 692 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: And the thing is, the other reason why is because 693 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: Sean Murphy himself, Sean Murphy's bat by itself, would be 694 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: one of the probably top five bats out there, you know, 695 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: and then you're going to being, you know, a potential 696 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: top five defensive catcher who's under control. He'd be a 697 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: great commodity. I again think that you only Tradinghi if 698 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: it's an offer that you cannot refuse. And the reason 699 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 1: why I would trade to the off season is because 700 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: to me, that may double or triple your pull of 701 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: teams that potentially would go after Sean Murphy, and then 702 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: that and of itself, could make his market go up 703 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: to where you can really get an understanding of what 704 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: you need in return, because I'm only trading Sean Murphy 705 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: if I truly am answering a need, which is another 706 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: significant arm, maybe a shor stop for the future, something 707 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: along those lines. And if you hold on to Sean 708 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: Murphy for the rest of the year, you both double 709 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: up on knowing that Drake Baldwin is the real deal, 710 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: but also in getting better idea of what you need. 711 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: So I'm fine if they want to trade Shaw Murphy 712 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: O the next you know, one plus stays if they 713 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: get an offer they simply can't refuse. But in terms 714 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: of if you're trying to drum up the best value 715 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: for him, I think you have a better chance of 716 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: doing that in the off season than currently. 717 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: And one thing I'll say, and I want to say 718 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 2: into a microphone, there is absolutely an argument for keeping 719 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 2: both guys, like one hundred percent, because I can hear 720 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: people people say it all the time, like why trade them? 721 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 2: You you always need more than one catcher. One hundred 722 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 2: percent true. The logic for trading him is can you 723 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 2: afford to have two catchers this good when you have 724 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: so many other holes on the team, when you could 725 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 2: use his value to plug another hole, Which is also 726 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 2: a fair point, Like reasonable people can disagree on this 727 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 2: one because you can make an argument both ways. So 728 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 2: there is a reason, there is an absolute argument to 729 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 2: keep him where it's it's one hundred and fifty degrees 730 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 2: in the summer in Atlanta. You got to have two catchers. 731 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 2: The Braves have always had two catchers, keep them both 732 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 2: and and forget about it. The argument against is, are 733 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 2: you going to take Drake Balwin's bat out of the 734 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 2: lineup half? You know, fifty percent of the time, are 735 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 2: you are? Are you going to DH the other one 736 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 2: and give up the DH? You know, basically every single 737 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: game your DH is the other catcher. You know, that's 738 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 2: a complicated thing in itself, So there's arguments both ways. 739 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 2: My point is, if you're if you have decided you're 740 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 2: going to do it in the off season, I think 741 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 2: you should explore doing that. But again that's a take. 742 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: People can agree or disagree, because. 743 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: The thing that you can't do is that you know, 744 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,479 Speaker 1: I know that you mentioned it was complicated. I don't 745 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: think it's actually that complicated. The Braves cannot, in my opinion, 746 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: the Braves cannot go into next season convincing themselves and 747 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,280 Speaker 1: people that it's going to be okay keeping shot Or's 748 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: level of offense and Drake Baldwin's level of offense at 749 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: the catcher spot, where one would be a leite, which 750 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 1: is fine, but at the DH spot it would be mediocre, 751 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: and then they don't do anything to address the fact 752 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: that they have near worst in the league production at shortstop, 753 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 1: second Mason, center field. You can't keep both catchers as 754 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: your catcher and your DH to their expected level of 755 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: offense and then have near league worst offense up the 756 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: middle at three positions. So if Seawn Murphy helps out 757 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: in one of those areas, and the obvious one is 758 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: shortstop where it makes sense in that situation, go ahead 759 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: and make the move. So my point that I'm getting 760 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: at is is, I think that's easier to figure out 761 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: in the off season. But if you can make that 762 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: move now and it makes sense, don't be hesitant to 763 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: do it now. So not necessarily agree to disagree. Agree 764 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: to a different level. I guess you could say, now 765 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: here's Johnson on the move, makes logical sense, Sean Murphy 766 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: being moved. 767 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 4: Now. 768 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: You can look at it both ways, but I think 769 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: that we've saved. 770 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 2: The best for last. 771 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: Tibert's Tropical Takes number three. Take it away, Stephen Talbert. 772 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 2: So full disclosure. This is one I thought about in 773 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 2: the shower. And this is one of those you think 774 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 2: about where you think, I really should never tell anybody 775 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 2: about this, Like this is just you're gonna get made 776 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 2: fun of, You're gonna get ripped. 777 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: But this is like the song that you sing in 778 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: the shower that only you and maybe one or two 779 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: other people in the world know, but you never would 780 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: tell anybody. 781 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 2: It's that type, exactly that type. But I think I 782 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: can make I think there are people that will agree. 783 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 2: I think I can make the case where it's at 784 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 2: least logical. People will most people will hate it, but 785 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: I think it's logical. 786 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: By the way, that song for me is Adele's Hello. 787 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 2: That's tam I, that's it, that's it's it's a wonderful. 788 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: It's a wonderful song. 789 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 2: Nobody needs to know that it's wonderful. I'm just gonna 790 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: say it, and then I'll give my logic. Man, I'm 791 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 2: gonna get ripped for this. I I would explore in 792 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 2: the next well I would have started a week ago 793 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 2: or two weeks ago. I would explore trading Spencer Strider. 794 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 2: I can't believe I just said that to a microphone. 795 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Here's my logic. Spencer Strider 796 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 2: is a slim, right handed, hard throwing pitcher, and those 797 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,959 Speaker 2: guys are historically dubious when it comes to durability. And 798 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 2: with Spencer, we have already seen in his case, specifically 799 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 2: durability questions, two major elbow surgeries already in his career. 800 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 2: Starting next year, Spencer makes twenty million dollars a year. 801 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,959 Speaker 2: I think it's twenty million, twenty two million, and twenty 802 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 2: two million the year after that, and then I think 803 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 2: there's a five million dollar buyout on his twenty nine option. 804 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 2: So the Braves O Spencer Strider seventy million dollars over 805 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 2: the next three years after this season. There are no 806 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 2: starting pitchers on this on the market. There's never any 807 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 2: starting pitchers on the market, and every team in baseball 808 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 2: needs starting pitching. And you are at a time where 809 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 2: you are both selling and Spencer Strider is healthy and 810 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 2: pitching pretty well. How much do you want to risk 811 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 2: that at some point in this contract, you are going 812 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 2: to be paying Spencer Strider twenty plus million dollars a 813 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 2: year to rehab another serious injury versus getting out now 814 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 2: with plus value. Somebody would take that contract and give 815 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 2: you prospects on top of it, because there's always a 816 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 2: surplus charge at the trade deadline. There's no starting pitching 817 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 2: out there. You could probably get a substantial amount for 818 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 2: Spencer Strider. Get off that contract and listen. I hear, 819 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 2: I trust me. I know what people are gonna say. 820 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 2: Why would you trade Spencer Strider when you want to 821 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 2: win next year? This is about risk management of an 822 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 2: asset that is highly risky because he is. This is 823 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 2: not Spencer Swallenbach, who still makes league minimum. This is 824 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 2: a guy you are paying twenty plus million dollars a 825 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 2: year two for the next three years after this, who's 826 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 2: already had substantial elbow troubles in his career, who's already 827 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 2: seen a dip in the velo. The velo has not 828 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 2: come all the way back. He's still been a really 829 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 2: good pitcher, but it has not come all the way back. 830 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 2: If that VLO dips anymore, you can have a serious problem. 831 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 2: So it's this take is more about risk management. He's 832 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 2: healthy right now, and teams all over baseball needs starting pitching. 833 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 2: You could get off that contract. I understrust me people. 834 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 2: I understand why this is crazy. The Braves are one 835 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 2: thousand percent not going to do it. But I was thinking, man, 836 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 2: that's a risky contract, and the Braves can't really afford, 837 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 2: literally afford to have a twenty million dollar pitcher just 838 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 2: on the sidelines for months if he if he has 839 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 2: another serious injury. He's healthy right now, he's pitching pretty well. 840 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 2: Nobody is selling starting I don't know I can make 841 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 2: the case the Braves aren't gonna do it. Hear that. 842 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 2: If you hear nothing else, hear that the Braves are 843 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 2: not going to do this. This is Stevens. Stephen was 844 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 2: in one hundred and fifty degree beach. He got lightheaded 845 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 2: and had some half assed idea and decided to talk 846 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 2: about on the podcast because the team sucks and there's 847 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 2: nothing else to talk about. But that's my logic. What 848 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 2: do you think I did not prep Sean for this. 849 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 2: This is Sean's hearing this for the first time I 850 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 2: wanted to be authentic. I want to hear your gut reaction. 851 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: I The points that you bring up as to why 852 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,399 Speaker 1: there would be any logic to it, I think are valid. 853 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,720 Speaker 1: The amount that you're going to invest in Spencer Strider 854 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: moving forward goes up significantly. The risk in getting what 855 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: you got from him two years ago of not getting 856 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: that has gone up significantly because of the returns that 857 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: were seeing from him post serious injury. I get all 858 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: that absolutely so I am not I don't feel that 859 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: it is I think that it's obviously far fetched, but 860 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that your approach to why it could 861 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: make sense, I think there's logic to it. 862 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 2: With that being said, the biggest butt in the world 863 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 2: is cod I mean I could just the biggest butt 864 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 2: of all time is coming out. 865 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: With that being said, I definitely not consider trading Spencer 866 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: Strider right now. And it's not just because of the 867 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: name Spencer Strider. It's not just because of what he 868 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: could be once he gets an off season of health 869 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: underneath his belt. One of the biggest reasons why I 870 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: don't trade Spencer Strider right now. He's your healthiest pitcher 871 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,720 Speaker 1: with the track record that he's had. 872 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 2: By the fact that he is your only healthy pitcher. 873 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:52,319 Speaker 1: Exactly because you're going into twenty twenty six with the 874 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,760 Speaker 1: fact that your top six options, uh top six, top seven, 875 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: your top six six or seven options Spencer Strider, Chris Sale, Spencer, Schwellenbach, Ronaldo, Lopez, 876 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: Grant Holmes, AJ Smith, saw Shavor, and Bryce Elder. Okay, 877 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,760 Speaker 1: the only two healthy options out of that right now 878 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: are Spencer Strider and Bryce Elder. And Spencer Strider just 879 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: came back two months ago from an internal brace surgery 880 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: that basically is just a level down from Tommy John. 881 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 2: So let me let me add this. I think the 882 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 2: point you just made is actually making my point because 883 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 2: if you if you already have that much injury risk 884 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 2: in your rotation, can you afford literally, can you afford 885 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 2: to have twenty million dollars tied to Spencer Strider when 886 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,800 Speaker 2: you already have this much injury risk in your rotation? Sales, Schwallenbach, Lopez, 887 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 2: Can you afford to have another guy Spencer Strider making 888 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 2: twenty million dollars who, quite frankly, you don't know is 889 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 2: gonna be healthy for any period of that contract. You 890 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 2: have to that that's the point that I, well, no, 891 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 2: you don't have to. That's that's the point you like, 892 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 2: you could explore not doing it. 893 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: But in my opinion, if you want to contend, and 894 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: there's another element to this, I'm gonna get to in 895 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: just a moment. Next year, say you trade Spencer Strider. Okay, 896 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: you're going into next year thirty seven year old Chris Sale, 897 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: who if healthy and he should be just fine. He 898 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 1: cracked a couple of ribs. He's gonna be his arms 899 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: gonna be fine, Chris Sale. You think he's a top 900 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: twenty pitcher of the game. Next year, Spencer Swellenbach. As 901 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,359 Speaker 1: long as there's no serious effect from his elbow, you 902 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: have to think to yourself, Okay, he's gonna be all right. 903 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 1: What is there beyond that for the Braves to have it? 904 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 2: Well, But then you've got to also include the extra 905 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 2: twenty million dollars a year you know, have to spend, 906 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,760 Speaker 2: plus all of the return you got for Spencer Strider. 907 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: Okay, that's that that that is a fair point. 908 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,240 Speaker 2: That is a very fair point, because wit Spencer Strider's 909 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 2: injury history, you might be going in the next year 910 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 2: without him either way. 911 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,959 Speaker 1: Fair enough, But you can take the twenty million dollars 912 00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: that you get back from him per year, and you 913 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: could take the turn from him. It's still going to 914 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: be very, very hard to turn that into what Spencer 915 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: Strider could be for you could be yeah. Yet, But 916 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 1: here's the other reason why I don't trade Spencer Strider. 917 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: And this may be the fact that I put more 918 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: value on this than you, Steven. I want Spencer Stryder 919 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,840 Speaker 1: in my damn clubhouse. I want Spencer Strider. Im a 920 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: damn dugout. 921 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 2: That might be the best argument. 922 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want Spencer Strider. When Spencer Strider is yelling 923 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,760 Speaker 1: at the top of his lungs at our coaching staff 924 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: to pay some damn attention to what's going on or 925 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: questioning what they're doing when it's clear that what they're 926 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 1: doing is not working. We need that type of leadership 927 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,399 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. I want that type of mentality. When 928 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: we talk about Spencer Strider and the fact that right 929 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 1: now he may not be working with as much as 930 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: he did a pre injury, I still am competent. Spencer 931 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 1: Strider is going to be a top of the Baseball 932 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: world pitcher because the mentality that he has has going 933 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: to allow for him to reinvent himself to be able 934 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: to be successful for a winner. And I want the 935 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: Spencer Strider who's going to be motivated in the playoffs 936 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 1: to come back and lead our team to playoff victories. Steven, 937 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: I don't mean to be preaching, because I know that 938 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: you feel the same way, but I need a Spencer 939 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: Strider in the Braves Dugout now and years moving forward 940 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: for us to have the chance that I think we're 941 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: capable of having to be able to win. Because if 942 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: you trade Spencer Strider for multiple reasons, that's the clearest sign, 943 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: the biggest sign that you're probably looking to at least retool, 944 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: if not revealed. I'm not to that level yet. I 945 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: get everything that you said, and everything that you said 946 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: was clearly logical. But even more than the performance of 947 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,480 Speaker 1: Spencer Strider is the person of Spencer Strider, and I 948 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: need that person in the Braves Dugout to make this 949 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,400 Speaker 1: transition back to a contender as successful as possible. 950 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the best. I mean on top of like, 951 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 2: there is a x percent chance he could actually get 952 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 2: back to like best picture in baseball level, Spencer Strider's 953 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 2: not like there's a very real argument that after just 954 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 2: a normal offseason, he comes back to throw a ninety 955 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 2: nine one hundred, one hundred and one next year and 956 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 2: you know you're fine. So that is probably the best argument. 957 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,359 Speaker 2: But after that, like the fire the dude plays with 958 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 2: and conducts himself with, it's just something I think the 959 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,800 Speaker 2: Braves really do desperately need. And so yes, I agree 960 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 2: with you, that is I think the best case for 961 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 2: not doing it. But I do not like having injury 962 00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 2: prone pitchers signed to twenty plus million dollar contracts. And 963 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 2: if you get to a trade deadline where you're selling 964 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 2: and he's healthy and there's no other pictures on the market, man, 965 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 2: I would at least be tempted to see what's out there. 966 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,879 Speaker 2: The Braves are not doing this, Please hear that this 967 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 2: is this is an exercise in hypotheticals because the team 968 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 2: sucks and it's trade deadline season and this is the 969 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,920 Speaker 2: stuff that people like us talk about. But it did 970 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 2: come across to me as like, man, you can make 971 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 2: a strong argument it's not gonna happen. But I do 972 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 2: think you can make an argument, and. 973 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: I want to make it clear on mind as well. 974 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,720 Speaker 1: My passion with the idea of the fact that the Braves, 975 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: if they ever considered Spencer Strider, they need to let 976 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: competence reign and not trade him. Stephen Tolbert has that competence. 977 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 1: He has that he's one of the smartest people when 978 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: it comes to covering the Braves that I met in 979 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:23,399 Speaker 1: My turn. 980 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 2: Well, anybody who just listened to this episode is going 981 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 2: to disagree with. 982 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: You, Well, I don't. I'm not sending here preaching about 983 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 1: Spencer Strider because Steven needs convincing of that. He knows 984 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: what Spencer Strider is capable of, but he also knows 985 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 1: the value of the person is Spencer Strider. The reason 986 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,480 Speaker 1: why I'm preaching about the person that Spencer Strider is 987 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 1: is because we need as much of that type of mentality. 988 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,880 Speaker 1: We need that is as much type of that accountability 989 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 1: and that passion to win as possible as we can 990 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: get in that damn clubhouse over the next six months 991 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: to get back to being a contender. That's the biggest 992 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: reason why I put faith in the fact that Spencer 993 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: Strider is gonna be a major part and us once 994 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,080 Speaker 1: again being a contender, and I hope to God he 995 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: has the opportunity to show his full worth and playoff 996 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: series for years to come. Stephen, do you have anything else? 997 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: Since we wrap up this edition of the Hammer Territory podcast. 998 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to get us in the pulpit tonight, Stephen, 999 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:15,719 Speaker 1: but here we are. 1000 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,600 Speaker 2: Listen the first episode back in a while. I wanted 1001 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 2: to bring some takes. I was literally sitting in the 1002 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 2: middle of the Atlantic Ocean just thinking of, like, what 1003 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,440 Speaker 2: are some of the hottest tickes I could come up with? 1004 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,319 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's always I mean, listen, trades are always 1005 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 2: hilarious and fun to talk about. We've got a trade 1006 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 2: deadline coming six pm on Thursday. I'm pretty sure Sean 1007 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 2: and I are going to do another show tomorrow. Obviously 1008 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 2: there will be an emergency show for anything that happens. 1009 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 2: Please do not send me DMS and text about trading 1010 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 2: Spinster strata. Listen, guys, it's just an exercise and hypothetical takes. 1011 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,680 Speaker 2: Nobody freak out on me. But any trades that do 1012 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 2: actually happen. I think Roscio Glas is getting traded. I 1013 00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,839 Speaker 2: think Marcelo Zoon is getting traded. Pierce Johnson, I think 1014 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,719 Speaker 2: he should get traded. Whether he does, it's probably more 1015 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 2: fifty to fifty, but whatever happens, we are going to 1016 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,759 Speaker 2: cover it the next forty eight hours. I think Brian 1017 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,719 Speaker 2: Scott are going to do a show Thursday night to 1018 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 2: recap it all after the deadline has passed. But you 1019 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,399 Speaker 2: will be hearing for us multiple times in the next 1020 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 2: forty eight hours. 1021 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: So while all this conversation was fun and enjoyable, we 1022 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,720 Speaker 1: also want to make sure that we are fully covering 1023 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 1: the team to the minute of what occurs. There has 1024 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:33,279 Speaker 1: been further reports on Ronald was Kuna Junior is in 1025 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 1: a walking boot and he will be going on the IL. 1026 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: Now this things, This makes things a bit more concerning. 1027 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and act like that. 1028 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm someone that knows how the medical prognosis and all 1029 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,600 Speaker 1: this stuff goes when it comes to this type of injury. 1030 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 1: But what I will say, if you follow the NBA, 1031 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,160 Speaker 1: you know how quickly something can turn when it comes 1032 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 1: to the Achilles from a stre to something more serious. 1033 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything is indicated that that has been 1034 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 1: the case, but the fact that Ronald Acuna Junior is 1035 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,200 Speaker 1: leaving the stadium in a walking boot and is going 1036 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: on the IEL, that is a bit more concerning than 1037 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,880 Speaker 1: where we were, so do want to give that report? 1038 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 2: Actually I changed my mind. Trade them all, trade everybody. 1039 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 2: I don't care. 1040 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: As we're recording this podcast again, the latest when it 1041 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: comes to Ronald Acunya Junior is of a few minutes ago. 1042 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: Is that again he is per Mark Bowman, he is 1043 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 1: in a walking boot and he is going on the il. 1044 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,839 Speaker 1: This was from about twenty five and fifteen minutes ago. 1045 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,440 Speaker 2: Oh my god, is don't Mark Bowman said he was 1046 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 2: holding back tears talking to the media. 1047 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: So we will have more obviously on this as time 1048 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 1: goes on. Obviously, we're also waiting to hear more on 1049 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:59,400 Speaker 1: the official prognosis on grant homes. So it could potentially 1050 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,879 Speaker 1: be a a very, very significantly braves not only this year, 1051 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 1: but it looks like that things could be even worse 1052 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: than we expected from this point on. Hope to god 1053 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 1: that's not the case. But again, it's been a lot 1054 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,839 Speaker 1: of fun speculating about trades, but it just got more 1055 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:16,640 Speaker 1: real now. 1056 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 2: That I'm going back to the I'm going back to 1057 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 2: the Atlantic Ocean. 1058 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:24,319 Speaker 1: This is again that we're talking about. We're talking about 1059 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,320 Speaker 1: serious injuries. Of course, we'll be with you non stop 1060 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,040 Speaker 1: with coverage when it comes to the Braves, myself, Stephen 1061 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 1: as well as Brad and Scotch. Make sure to check 1062 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,360 Speaker 1: out all the great content when it comes to Hammer 1063 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,280 Speaker 1: Territory across all forms of social media, Foul Territory across 1064 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: all forms of social media as well, mind self stats, 1065 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: sac Sean Coleman on x slash Twitter, Stephen Tolbert as well. 1066 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,160 Speaker 1: We may or may not do another quick Hammer Territory 1067 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: podcast as we get more news when it comes to Ronald, 1068 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: or any more news tonight when it comes to trade. 1069 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 1: Make sure to stick with us. Listen, go Braves. Until 1070 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 1: next time we will talk to you and soon here 1071 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: on the Hammer Territory Podcast