WEBVTT - Everyone's in Love with Me with Chelsea and Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Hi Catherine. Oh hi Chelsea, Hi, I still have

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<v Speaker 1>deep throat boys. Oh my gosh, Chelsea, where are you now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I just did a road trip mm hmm with my

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<v Speaker 3>new dog, Mochi, who's a five year old child.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a picture of him and he is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the cutest thing I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a big, fat baby. He's seventy pounds, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>exactly my body type. And I took him and Bernice

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<v Speaker 3>and he had never flown before, so his family didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want him anymore because they had a baby or something.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had to pick him up.

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<v Speaker 3>And he had never been on a plane, so I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to freak him out because you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>and fly him up to Whistler. But no one in

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<v Speaker 3>my family thought I could do it. Everyone's like, do

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<v Speaker 3>not go on a road trip from LA to Whistler, Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 3>like yourself with Bernice and Mochi meeting for the first

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<v Speaker 3>time and then in a car together for I mean

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<v Speaker 3>two days.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, I went through to San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 3>I stayed with my sister one night, and then my

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<v Speaker 3>friend Kelly from Whistler was like, let me come down

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<v Speaker 3>and meet you. You're not competent enough to drive yourself

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<v Speaker 3>to Whistler. And I was like, no, because all I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to do was be alone and bond with my dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>But you can't really bond with a new dog when

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<v Speaker 3>you're driving, right. Bernie's is a good girl, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was gonna leave her behind this winter because my Belle.

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<v Speaker 3>She's happy at my Bell's and she's got Felix, her boyfriend, who's.

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<v Speaker 5>Our dog guy at the house. But she's just been

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<v Speaker 5>looking so cute lately.

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<v Speaker 3>I just couldn't bear this might be her last year

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<v Speaker 3>with us. She's older, but she's so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>She's really scrumpshot.

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<v Speaker 4>So I had to take her.

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<v Speaker 5>I had to take her, and if she doesn't, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to stay until I've towed the Critics' Choice Awards. Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>by the way, I just announced new dates in Australia, everybody,

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<v Speaker 5>and New Zealand, so take a look at those on

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<v Speaker 5>Chelseahandler dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>And I am coming to Salt Lake City.

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<v Speaker 3>There are tickets for that, and all my Canadian dates

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<v Speaker 3>are this winter, so you know, follow me and you'll

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<v Speaker 3>find out anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernice is she's a good traveler.

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<v Speaker 3>She is, actually she doesn't want any trouble. She just

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<v Speaker 3>like wants to mind her business. And she's good with

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<v Speaker 3>other dogs. Yeah, she gets annoyed if they like, you know, come.

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<v Speaker 4>Like bother her, but she's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So I have a new family and we'll see how long.

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<v Speaker 3>And oh what I was saying is if it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>work out like with Brinice doesn't like Whistler and she's

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<v Speaker 3>not into the snow. There's not a lot of snow

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<v Speaker 3>here yet, m m, then I will take her back

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<v Speaker 3>in January when I come.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to the beach.

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<v Speaker 6>Choice.

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<v Speaker 3>But Mochi's going to stay with me, and they'll keep

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<v Speaker 3>each other company when I'm skiing and doing my bad

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<v Speaker 3>parenting exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>They can be each other's pack. Well, Chelsea, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you usually do family stuff for the holidays. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything you're looking forward to?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, you know what's happening this year.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm moving out of my house so I can move

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<v Speaker 3>into a bigger house that I had to rent for

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<v Speaker 3>my family.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what I'm doing. You're a new house that

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<v Speaker 1>just got finished or no, your house was no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because that's never going to be finished.

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<v Speaker 4>That's in la. I just saw that house.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's still not done. Just although it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be gorgeous, just in time for me to move to

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<v Speaker 3>New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent.

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<v Speaker 4>But I've already lost interest in that house. It's taken

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<v Speaker 4>so long.

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<v Speaker 3>Anytime anything takes long, I can't I've lost interest.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. Well, it's hard to be like, have

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<v Speaker 1>the same passion for something that you had three years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I bought that I ordered the floors for that house

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<v Speaker 4>two years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>That is years ago, so obviously, like, but Carla is

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<v Speaker 3>staying back and she is battening down the hatches.

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<v Speaker 1>She's whipping everyone into shape.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's been more progress progress, I'm saying because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying it like that now because I'm in Canada, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's been more progress since she's been staying behind, So

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<v Speaker 3>that's been helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think she'll whip everybody into shape and gets

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<v Speaker 1>shipped done.

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<v Speaker 3>So my family arrives momentarily, you know, in a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of days, and then we have a house for a week,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they leave and then I have like three

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<v Speaker 3>weeks off before my next date in Vancouver or Kelowna

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<v Speaker 3>or Edmonton, wherever the hell I'm going next.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it sounds like I do need it.

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<v Speaker 1>I do need it, get into bed and then like

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<v Speaker 1>not move for at least a week of that. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that's I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 3>I need sleep and skis and skis skis will rejuvenate me.

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<v Speaker 1>Today is our holiday episode, Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 4>Which holiday are we celebrating.

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<v Speaker 1>We're celebrating all of them, Kanza, Christmas, all the things Anica.

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<v Speaker 1>We have some holiday themed questions. Some callers talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the new year. Okay, great, Yes, So my fifteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old nephew and I'm not sure if anyone else in

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<v Speaker 1>my family realizes what he has asked for. And he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>not into drugs whatever, but he asked for a book

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<v Speaker 1>on finding psilocybin mushrooms in the forest. You know that,

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<v Speaker 1>the mushroom guy, Paul Stamitz. He asked for a book

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<v Speaker 1>from him, and I was like, I told my sister,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I'm going to get that for him,

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<v Speaker 1>thinking she didn't know what it was. And she's like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>Grandma's gonna get that for him. So he wants a

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<v Speaker 1>psilocybin book and everyone's fine, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Fine, who cares, I mean, let everybody. The more educated

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<v Speaker 3>people are about drugs the better.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of agree, and I said, I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to supplement that with How to Change Your Mind. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good book, right, which is by Michael polland

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Pollin. Yeah, by Michael Pollan. And then my sister

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<v Speaker 1>was like, no, wait till he's twenty. I'm like, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not something that makes you want to do drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just everybody, no, exactly, it's good to be educated. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I gave everybody. That's Christmas. I gave everybody

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<v Speaker 3>two books. That's what I sent out for Christmas gifts,

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<v Speaker 3>The Great Alone and Atomic Habits.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fantastic, very different books.

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<v Speaker 3>So that, yeah, that's my gift to everyone. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>only giving books out from now on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still reading Tomorrow, Tomorrow, tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, I'm just not that interested in that book,

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<v Speaker 3>even though everyone else loves it so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh see, I started it and I'm very into it.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, it was so interesting about it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What, I because I knew you said this a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 5>And I've never taken It's never taken me longer to

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<v Speaker 5>read a book. But that's also really writing my book.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm writing a book, so my focus is really there,

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<v Speaker 5>and then in between I read.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like it reads a little like a

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<v Speaker 1>genreving book, where it's really just about the character development

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of their interaction. I don't know. I like it.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's about gaming. It's it's all about gaming. Everyone

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<v Speaker 5>kept saying, it's not that. Don't worry, it's not about gaming.

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<v Speaker 5>It's all about gaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm only about a quarter of the way through,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it's sort of about I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's about games as informs their relationship. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm getting from. But I'm also only a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of the way through.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I don't know how far I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think i'm more than halfway through either, but

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<v Speaker 3>I guess i'll finish it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's on everyone else's your endless but we'll not

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<v Speaker 1>put it on your year end list. No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but the grade alone I will always recommend and

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<v Speaker 3>circ Yeah, yeah, you love that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I have that book. I'm going to read that again.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't read it. I picked it up in a

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<v Speaker 1>bookstore the other day and I just I read a

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<v Speaker 1>few pages and I didn't know if like the prose

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<v Speaker 1>was for me. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe I should give it a try. Oh from the beginning, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's you got to get into it. That's like a

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<v Speaker 5>fantasy book. Yeah, Greek mythology.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm not into that either. But I loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the use her just her writing is so powerful,

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<v Speaker 3>like she just knows how to finish a sentence or

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<v Speaker 3>write a sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of your end lists, are there any like movies,

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<v Speaker 1>TV books that you experience this year that you love

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<v Speaker 1>and want to recommend?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I need to watch all those movies for the Critics'

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<v Speaker 3>Choice Awards.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen any of the movies yet. I only

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<v Speaker 4>saw My Maestro.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I saw that at a friend's house because

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<v Speaker 3>she was screening it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was really good.

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<v Speaker 4>That Carrie Mulligan, it's fucking awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>She is just a yeah she is. Yeah, she's in

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<v Speaker 1>it and she's so good too. I love a period

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<v Speaker 1>piece Sarah Silverman, like she was in Masters of Sex.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like dressed all nineteen fifties and yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she does some good movie choices.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's fantastic. I did watch May December, which is

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<v Speaker 1>how is that.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard mixed reviews about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very camp, but it's really interesting and I think

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<v Speaker 1>like it's very interesting to watch from like an acting standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>and the story is really good. It's a lot about manipulation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting too because you have all these like incredible

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<v Speaker 1>actors and yet the music is almost like TV movie music,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's very dunt dun dun duh, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very chousic is off.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what they said, that it doesn't add up to

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<v Speaker 4>the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but see, I I loved that choice because there's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a revelation at the end. You understand

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<v Speaker 1>why they sort of made that sort of cheesy choice.

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<v Speaker 1>But the acting is incredible, the story is really good.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of manipulation and you kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>power dynamics shifting and it's really cool. Yea's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've been watching a lot of TV, but I

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<v Speaker 3>can't even remember what I'm watching.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm watching The Gilded Age.

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<v Speaker 1>That what I'm watching. I haven't seen the second season yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't even know what I'm watching half the time.

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<v Speaker 4>I Mean, I just.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, sometimes I'm paying attention. Sometimes I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>When I came home from my last dight in Ottawa,

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<v Speaker 3>which was so fun, Toronto crowds were so awesome, Otta

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<v Speaker 3>was I was so awesome. I landed on a Sunday,

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<v Speaker 3>went out thinking I was dying.

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<v Speaker 4>On the Sunday, I'm dying.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh my god, No, I was so sick,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had two Christmas things to go do, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I kept trying to get out of

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<v Speaker 3>both of them. I ended up getting home at two

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<v Speaker 3>am Sunday night at two am, this is last week.

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<v Speaker 3>Then Monday, I had another thing. I had a goop

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<v Speaker 3>thing for Gwyneth, and then I had another thing, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we went out to dinner, and I and I

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<v Speaker 3>went out again, and then it's just it was non stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Give yourself a bedtime.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I don't know what I think I'm doing anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I think I'm thirty thirty years old and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not thirty years old, and I need like I

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<v Speaker 3>need to I need like a pump of adrenaline or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, but you know I need a shot of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>The best thing to give you that is just.

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<v Speaker 4>Like a ball is what I need? I need an

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<v Speaker 4>eight ball? Who has an eight ball?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what you got to do the suburban speedball,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like your first drink is an espresso Martini

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<v Speaker 1>and then you do something out.

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<v Speaker 4>Espresso Martini's fucking work.

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<v Speaker 5>They wake you up, They wake you up, and then

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<v Speaker 5>you have a butt and it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't do too many of that because then you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be up all night or your heart could explode. Like

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<v Speaker 1>these people who drank these extreme lemonades. Have you heard

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<v Speaker 1>about this?

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<v Speaker 2>Who?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, at this particular fast food chain. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to say which one, but two people have died after

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<v Speaker 1>drinking these cafinated lemonades. Is it like a red bull?

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a red so they had a heart attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, he had a heart attack and died. Two people

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<v Speaker 1>have died after drinking men.

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<v Speaker 4>Did they take they recall them?

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<v Speaker 7>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Yeah, I don't think they've it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know if that was what caused it. But

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<v Speaker 1>they died. Doesn't sound like a positive situation. Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all crazy anyway, don't drink over caffee to drinks everybody. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>should we go to some callers. I also have some

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<v Speaker 1>follow ups. Okay, so Chelsea, you know, we have our

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<v Speaker 1>NYC girls who are child free and have been chatting,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been putting them all together. They started like

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<v Speaker 1>a WhatsApp group and they're all chatting. Well, they got

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<v Speaker 1>together for the first time and we got a really

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<v Speaker 1>sweet email from them. I love it. Yes, and Courtney

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who sent this in. She said, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for taking the time to connect this

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<v Speaker 1>group of women, and it was so energizing to meet

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<v Speaker 1>for brunch in NYC this past weekend. Turns out we

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<v Speaker 1>all feel like black sheep, oftentimes for more reasons than

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<v Speaker 1>just choosing to be child free or single. We're all

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<v Speaker 1>independent and successful in our own right. Some have partners

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<v Speaker 1>and others are struggling in the dating scene. We're often

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<v Speaker 1>the ones paving various paths away from the norms we

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<v Speaker 1>come from, and uniting for brunch today felt like a

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<v Speaker 1>new home. It's so refreshing to have a community that

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<v Speaker 1>we rather seamlessly fit into, and we all thank you

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<v Speaker 1>and Chelsea for uniting us via her podcast. That meeting

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<v Speaker 1>launched plans to travel, to play sports, have trivia nights,

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<v Speaker 1>to help promote each other and our businesses to drink

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<v Speaker 1>and eat together from here. Thank you and happy holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>Love the NYC Child Free Crew. You've united. Ps. The

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<v Speaker 1>table behind us had maybe twenty people, at least half

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<v Speaker 1>were toddlers. And of course this was a total shit show.

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<v Speaker 1>We couldn't help but realize the sheer comedy of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>No regrets, how is wee? Oh wow, I know, look

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<v Speaker 1>at these fabulous women.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, No, that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Very happy for them. There have been a couple ladies

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<v Speaker 1>who've reached out about Chicago. So Chicago, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to start a group, let me know, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>have one other. This feels like a fun holiday surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>though it's not exactly holiday. But Brooke had written in

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<v Speaker 1>way back on our Jamie Green Burke ep and she

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<v Speaker 1>was struggling with infertility and looking for ways to be positive.

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<v Speaker 1>So you and Jamie gave her some really good advice.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, You're Chelsea. I wanted to thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>taking the time to chat with me, offer advice and

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<v Speaker 1>let me share the story of my miscarriage. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so helpful to hear the perspectives from three different women.

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie I'd especially like to thank you for sharing your

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<v Speaker 1>personal story as well. Since we talked, I'm happy to

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<v Speaker 1>report I have good news to share. My rainbow baby

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<v Speaker 1>girl is finally here. She was born in March a

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<v Speaker 1>Pisces like you, ladies, which we love, and Chelsea, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you'll be proud of me. For the first time ever,

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<v Speaker 1>I started speaking to a therapist on a weekly basis

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<v Speaker 1>who specialize in perinatal and maternal anxiety. It's been helpful

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<v Speaker 1>to gain tools for helping myself de escalate and relax

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<v Speaker 1>in my times of spiraling, and I know that toning

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<v Speaker 1>down my overthinking mind is good for both me and

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<v Speaker 1>the baby. So I'm doing everything i can. The meditation

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<v Speaker 1>thing I'm still working on, but I've come to love

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<v Speaker 1>long walking meditations with my daughter and the stroller. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you again. I can't get enough of your podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>still tune in every week. Keep doing what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Brook, That's great, Yes, Jamie, Jamie listens to every podcast,

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<v Speaker 5>So Jamie, way to go, Jamie.

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<v Speaker 1>You finally have contributed something to the world. You you

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<v Speaker 1>ladies got Brooke pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>Jamie's recently got kicked off of her own daughter's softball

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<v Speaker 3>team because she's in one of those sideline moms.

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<v Speaker 1>Well she didn't get kicked off, but.

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<v Speaker 3>She has to stop going to games for her daughter's

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<v Speaker 3>mental health. She's she's such an asshole. At the games

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<v Speaker 3>that she had. Her daughter was like, she goes, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think I'm going to come to any games anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>and her daughter's like, I think that's best.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I think old is so ridiculous. She's so competitive.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I knew she really enjoyed going to these,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't know it was like that. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. Yeah, we love Jamie. Well, let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break and we'll come back with some questions. OK, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're back. So our first caller today, Chelsea, is Lauren.

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<v Speaker 1>She lives right here in California and says, Dear Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a child free woman who has three adult

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<v Speaker 1>step children ranging from thirty five to forty three years old.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been with my husband for twenty nine years. I've

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<v Speaker 1>given my all to being a good step parent, but

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<v Speaker 1>my step children expect a lot from me and don't reciprocate.

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<v Speaker 1>They do nothing for me for Mother's Day or my birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>But expect me to put on a Norman Rockwell holidays

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<v Speaker 1>for them while they don't contribute or do so minimally.

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<v Speaker 1>They also blame me, not their dad when they don't

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<v Speaker 1>get their way, such as when their dad and I

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<v Speaker 1>visit my family for one of the holidays. I've grown

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<v Speaker 1>resentful and don't want to be the family lightning rod anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I've tried to communicate with them, but it has not

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<v Speaker 1>gone well. My thought is to disengage from them, but

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<v Speaker 1>that would be tricky. Been a supportive of me, but

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<v Speaker 1>he too is at a loss of what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm again dreading the holidays this year, which really sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I would appreciate any advice you have. Thank you. Lauren.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi Hi, Lauren, Hi, Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing well?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you just hanging on by a thread like

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<v Speaker 3>we all are during the holiday season?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, truly.

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<v Speaker 3>So it sounds like you don't know you're not looking

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<v Speaker 3>forward to your holidays.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I haven't the last few years and kind of

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<v Speaker 6>been doing a lot of soul searching about letting other

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<v Speaker 6>people decide what I'm going to be doing kind of

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<v Speaker 6>with my time, and you know, kind of need to

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to take back, like the joy you know of it,

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<v Speaker 6>and just feeling like sometimes you get kind of stuck

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<v Speaker 6>into what people think you should do. So you know,

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<v Speaker 6>there's a lot of expectations, which you know, you've talked

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<v Speaker 6>about with women about what we're supposed.

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<v Speaker 1>To be doing.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, I'm a step pa and kind of

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<v Speaker 6>always been responsible person with my family and others.

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<v Speaker 1>How many step children do you have?

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<v Speaker 6>Three?

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<v Speaker 1>Three?

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<v Speaker 4>And how old were they when you guys got married.

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<v Speaker 1>How old were the kids?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, when I met my husband, we dated for quite

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<v Speaker 6>a while, but they were six eleven, fourteen and now

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<v Speaker 6>they're grown.

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<v Speaker 4>So do they think of you as a parent figure?

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<v Speaker 4>What's the dynamic?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, they do, but I feel like, and I know

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not ever going to be like at the level

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<v Speaker 6>of their parents, you know. I mean, I just feel

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<v Speaker 6>like I can take it for granted, it's not a

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<v Speaker 6>big deal. On my birthday or Mother's Day, they don't

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<v Speaker 6>plan anything, they don't do anything. I mean, I might

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<v Speaker 6>get flowers or something, and it's not that I want something,

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<v Speaker 6>but you know, just even saying, hey, let me take

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<v Speaker 6>you out for a cup of tea or a glass

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<v Speaker 6>of wine or something, and you know, it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 6>to be expensive. I don't. It's not that, it's just

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<v Speaker 6>kind of like Overlea, you just don't feel like you're yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>you feel I was just like just sort of like

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<v Speaker 6>I'm expected to do these things.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, and what of your previous conversations with them,

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<v Speaker 3>you said they didn't go well in the letter, like,

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<v Speaker 3>give us an example, tell us what happened.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's kind of like they when I've told them.

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<v Speaker 6>I was talking to my stepdad with this Thanksgiving because

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<v Speaker 6>there was a big blow up because she found out

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<v Speaker 6>that we were supposed to go to my family and

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<v Speaker 6>I told my husband about it, and to be honest,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I probably could have communicated better and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 6>you know because I told him, hey, you know, tell

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<v Speaker 6>them we're going to be my family, but we're here

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<v Speaker 6>for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 4>And meaning they're not invited to your family's Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 6>Well they could, but they they're not. They're not going

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<v Speaker 6>to come. They're not going to make the effort to

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<v Speaker 6>get on a plane and go. And so they had

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<v Speaker 6>Thanksgiving up our house.

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<v Speaker 1>With and without you.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and they all really like stepped up and like

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<v Speaker 6>they were calling it. They were like which they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>do with me. They would just kind of assume that

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<v Speaker 6>I was posting the whole thing. And so they called

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<v Speaker 6>my husband before I left and said, hey, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 6>you know we're going to do this. We're going to

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<v Speaker 6>do that. You know. My husband's like, I'll roast the turkey.

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<v Speaker 6>He called me on Thanksgiving and asked me how to

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<v Speaker 6>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, and specifically, Lauren, I know you said

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<v Speaker 1>that even if it's hosted at one of the kids house,

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<v Speaker 1>they expect you to cook the entire meal and sort

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<v Speaker 1>of throw throw the whole party.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, they going to my stepdaughter's house in another city.

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<v Speaker 6>She said, we can have it up there. But then

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<v Speaker 6>I'm kind of expected to come up and they don't

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<v Speaker 6>plan anything. I go to the grocery store and they're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>what are we going to do? And so, and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I think I've kind of let it happen that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like it. It sounds like you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I.

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<v Speaker 6>Take responsibility for that. But I'll throw out an email

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<v Speaker 6>saying what can you guys bring? And I don't hear anything,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, like a couple days before and then

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<v Speaker 6>it's like okay, well, I don't know, you know, And

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<v Speaker 6>I said, then I have to kind of keep prodding them,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it sounds like you haven't done a very

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<v Speaker 3>good job of creating any boundaries which I can relate to.

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<v Speaker 4>I also am bad at creating boundaries, but you should.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to, and clearly they stepped up and are

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<v Speaker 3>capable of doing it in your absence, so that they're

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<v Speaker 3>so now that you you know, you can use Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 3>as a perfect example, like you guys really stepped up

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<v Speaker 3>over Thanksgiving. I would love for that to happen in

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas and actually moving forward on all holidays. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of pressure on me to take care of everything.

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<v Speaker 5>And you can also throw in there that you didn't

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<v Speaker 5>appreciate spending Thanksgiving without your husband, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 5>That's it's you don't have to spend every Thanksgiving with

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<v Speaker 5>you know, people split holidays all the time in divorces

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<v Speaker 5>with their children, especially the adult children. I mean, they're married,

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<v Speaker 5>They're going to go to their spouses at some point

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<v Speaker 5>for Thanksgiving or Christmas. You have to set a new

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<v Speaker 5>set of rules, like moving forward, This isn't your only burden.

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<v Speaker 5>You're happy to have them all, but you need help

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<v Speaker 5>and you need them to contry, and you have to

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<v Speaker 5>get better at communicating because you're you're not I can

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<v Speaker 5>tell that you haven't been.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think I think that's fair. And I at

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<v Speaker 6>first was like, okay, well, you guys just decide what

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<v Speaker 6>you're going to do for the holidays and let me

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<v Speaker 6>know and I'll work around it. But then I realized, no,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, that's not okay, and I want to spend

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<v Speaker 6>at least one of the holidays with my husband. So

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<v Speaker 6>I just said, you know, we're going to do every

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<v Speaker 6>other holiday and if you guys want to come out,

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<v Speaker 6>you're always welcome, but you're going to have to make

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<v Speaker 6>your own plans on that. And they did say after Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I said, oh, it looks like you guys

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<v Speaker 6>did a great job on all the food, and they're like, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 6>it just wasn't this. It was kind of hotchpotch. It

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't It wasn't as good as when you're there. And so,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, in fairness, they kind of recognize and it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 6>it doesn't have to be great, it doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 6>be you know whatever. I just you know, and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I realize I have to get better at community, and

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<v Speaker 6>the more I've set the boundaries with them, I'm realizing

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<v Speaker 6>it's coming back in with good results both for them

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<v Speaker 6>and for me.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this is a perfect jumping off point. This

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<v Speaker 3>is a perfect like turning point. Since you did opt

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<v Speaker 3>out for Thanksgiving to spend it with your own family,

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<v Speaker 3>and they noticed your absence and the impact it had

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<v Speaker 3>on the dinner, it's a perfect opportunity for you to go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>moving forward, let's all work together so that there's not

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm not responsible for everything, because it's really hard

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<v Speaker 3>to provide for everyone. You're talking about six people now, right,

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<v Speaker 3>are they all married up? Yes, we're significant other right,

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah, so that's not on you. And you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have those fucking kids. Also, fuck, I mean, I'm so

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<v Speaker 3>sick of step parents having to do all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's enough. Where's their mother? By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>she around? Wh don't they go be with her?

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<v Speaker 6>She leaves on the other side of the country. They

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<v Speaker 6>see her at other times of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>So when's your next holiday together? Christmas?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think to give you some specific boundaries that you

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<v Speaker 1>can set, whether you're hosting or someone else's hosting. I

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<v Speaker 1>think is perfectly fair to say in advance let them know, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make this one dish or these two dishes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would love for you guys to all bring something.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel free to let me know what you're bringing, or

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<v Speaker 1>you can just bring something, but letting them know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the meal will be a group effort.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be on them to bring some things as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing is like, no one can force

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<v Speaker 1>us to do something without us actually doing it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in this sort of circumstance where everyone expects you

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<v Speaker 1>to lay out this beautiful meal, but like you are

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<v Speaker 1>the one actually doing it. So on the day of,

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<v Speaker 1>if it winds up being a hodgepodge, that's okay. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't actually have to be the one to like step

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<v Speaker 1>in and save the day and make the mashed potatoes

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else. Let it be a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a hodgepodge, but say like, hey, I want to take

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more of a backseat this year. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to make the turkey and the stuffing or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>your thing your two major things are, and say would

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<v Speaker 1>love for you guys to fill in the gaps with

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<v Speaker 1>your other favorite dishes.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not a request. It's like, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 4>how it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you have to frame it in a way that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not a you're not asking, you're telling them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then you don't do anything that you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say you were going to do. The way the boundary

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<v Speaker 1>gets broken is by you then doing the thing you

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<v Speaker 1>said you weren't going to do. Right, So like, let

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<v Speaker 1>it be a little messy. This is this is something

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned with my with my in laws is I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, here's how I think it should be done,

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<v Speaker 1>and then when I'm ignored, I just have to be

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, and then it's a little messy and guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>Like everything is fine? Is it ideal? Maybe not, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm realizing because it's like I don't have that

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<v Speaker 6>kind of energy that I used to have. Kind of

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<v Speaker 6>the holidays have become like a day of work for me.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Work, right, It's like not fun and it's like preparing

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<v Speaker 1>the day before and.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, listen, everyone reacts to boundaries initially like they're offended,

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<v Speaker 3>and then eventually it turns into respect and it's not

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<v Speaker 3>long after the first offense, like the feeling of offense.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just just.

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<v Speaker 3>Set the boundaries, send an email, put it together, and

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<v Speaker 3>also have a little bit more oomph about what you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna fucking do and what you're not gonna do.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't let people take advantage of you.

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<v Speaker 3>You have one life to live, like, enjoy yourself and

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<v Speaker 3>make sure people are respecting you and you feel good

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<v Speaker 3>about it, because then you're going to have a much

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<v Speaker 3>better experience too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, looking forward to next year, people respond well to

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what the expectation should be. So maybe there's some

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<v Speaker 1>regularity you can do where it's like, Okay, Thanksgiving we

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<v Speaker 1>always been with my family, and Christmas we always spend

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<v Speaker 1>with your family, to your husband, to the kids. And

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<v Speaker 1>that can also be something that he's communicating.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, thank you, I really appreciate it, and I really

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<v Speaker 6>love the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh thanks Lauren. Get your shit together, okay, sister, Yes, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>stronger okay, right bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye, And he says, dear Chelsea, I want to start

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<v Speaker 1>off by saying how much I look forward to your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast every week to always bring a smile to my face.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm writing in because my boyfriend of ten years, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>ten years, keeps hinting at an engagement. The funny story

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<v Speaker 1>is he's been hinting at it for so long now

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<v Speaker 1>it's starting to feel a little boy who cried wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>We had our son in October of twenty twenty, and

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<v Speaker 1>I suffered from severe postpartum depression, anxiety, and rage. He

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<v Speaker 1>was not supportive during my struggle, and I have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of resentment toward him because of it. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>with my therapist for a little under a year now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm working through all my postpartum issues. Through it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever we argue, he tells me and to think I

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<v Speaker 1>bought you a ring and was going to propose. Oh God,

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<v Speaker 1>but I always thought he was bluffing. Recently, however, I

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<v Speaker 1>was cleaning his side of the closet and came across

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<v Speaker 1>a hidden area with a shirt crumpled into a ball.

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<v Speaker 1>I lifted the shirt to fold it and found a

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<v Speaker 1>jewelry box with an engagement ring inside of it. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, I felt nothing, and then I felt irritated

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<v Speaker 1>because of all the times he threw the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a ring in my face. He doesn't know I found it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd like to keep it that way. But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what I'm asking is where do I go from here?

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<v Speaker 1>I love him and I want our family to work,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm tired of being the forever girlfriend, or, as

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<v Speaker 1>his sister so lovingly refers to me, the baby mama.

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<v Speaker 1>With the holidays looming, I fear the question is about

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<v Speaker 1>to be popped. Any advice is so appreciated, Annie, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think no, and should get married.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, why legally bind yourself to any person, But

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<v Speaker 3>when you have a child it becomes a different issue.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like you should probably try counseling before you

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<v Speaker 3>make any decision, because him not being understanding of your

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<v Speaker 3>postpart of depression is a big red flag if he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't get that right, and I mean, he needs to

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<v Speaker 3>understand why he's not empathetic enough. And also saying like

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<v Speaker 3>to think I was going to propose to you, That

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't sound like a loving thing that any partner ex

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<v Speaker 3>girls should ever say to someone. That's gross. So I

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<v Speaker 3>would try counseling. I would try that with him, and

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<v Speaker 3>if it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Work, and I think counseling like with the intent of

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<v Speaker 1>like improving your relationship, not necessarily should we or shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>we get married? Yeah, don't put so much pressure on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been talking to a new therapist who's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>talking about one of our main issues is like not

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<v Speaker 3>trying to control the outcome of things, you know, especially

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<v Speaker 3>with relationships. Don't go into therapy thinking like we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>fix everything. Go into therapy thinking we're gonna find out

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<v Speaker 3>if we belong together, you know, like taking it more

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<v Speaker 3>by moment and figuring out, like, because whatever the result is,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna be Okay. It's not going to be the

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 3>end of the world if you leave your boyfriend. Easier

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 3>actually when you're not married to leave him and I

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<v Speaker 3>understand that you have a child together, but like, your

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 3>happiness is paramount, and if you if you've been going

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<v Speaker 3>to counseling and you've been working on yourself, there's no

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:21.199
<v Speaker 3>reason he shouldn't be going also individually and together. Not

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<v Speaker 3>with the idea that, okay, we're gonna fix it and

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 3>get married, with the idea.

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 4>That, okay, this is where we are, let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>If we're compatible enough to stay together and work through

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<v Speaker 3>these issues and survive together, and you know, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to throw it out right away. But it's good

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 3>that you knew about the ring, you saw it, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's good that he said that to you, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>that's an icky thing to say, and that's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the first things you should bring up in therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if he does propose sort of all over the holidays,

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<v Speaker 1>oh with you, we would you preempt it and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're thinking of asking, now is not the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go get some couples counseling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I would definitely say if you're thinking about proposing

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<v Speaker 3>to me, but it sounds like this guy's going to

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<v Speaker 3>pretend he never She could say, you know what you

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 3>should do. You should say, listen, I found the ring

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 3>in the closet. I know you've mentioned to me a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of times you were going to propose to me.

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<v Speaker 3>If you are thinking about proposing, I don't think this

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<v Speaker 3>is the time. I think we have some issues we

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<v Speaker 3>have to work through, and I want to take the

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 3>pressure off of you and me. We have the baby,

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 3>we're dealing with some stuff, and let's try and do

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<v Speaker 3>some couples counseling. And if after that we still feel

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 3>like we have a relationship, then we could talk about

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 3>getting married again, but take it off the table, because

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 3>then that kind of takes the pressure out of the

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 3>balloon or whatever for sure balloon.

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>And also like that should be a boundary that you

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 1>guys set up in therapy, is like here are some

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>specific things you're not allowed to say to each other.

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Brad and I have our specific thing, like very specific

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>lines of dialogue that we are never allowed to throw

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>out in a fight, and this should be one of them,

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 1>because he's like spoiled the idea of even getting married

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>for you. So that's something to unpack, but not in

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>a way of like should we or shouldn't we, in

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a way of like this is a line of dialogue

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to have, just like it's not allowed

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>in our or in our relationship. Well, let us know

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>what happens and jump into some counseling. Well, our next

0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.239
<v Speaker 1>question comes from Jordan. We've got a bit of a

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>New Year's question, Chelsea. Jordan is calling in and the

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>subject line of his email is everyone keeps falling in

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<v Speaker 1>love with me, Dear Chelsea. I'm Jordan, thirty one from Melbourne, Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm queer. This past year has been a roller coaster.

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<v Speaker 1>I ended an eight year relationship, lost my father, quit

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<v Speaker 1>my job to return to university, and had my dog

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<v Speaker 1>pass away. So safe to say it's been a huge

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<v Speaker 1>year of change, growth and self discovery. I'm reaching out

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<v Speaker 1>for a relationship advice as we head into the new year.

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<v Speaker 1>I ended my long term relationship of eight years because

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted more personal growth and a shift in relationship preferences,

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<v Speaker 1>one being monogamy. Since then, I've unintentionally entered three more relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>admittedly a lot in ten months, despite my focus on

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<v Speaker 1>self discovery and avoiding commitment. All three I've ended, breaking

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<v Speaker 1>their hearts while I'm enjoying my current phase of exploration

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<v Speaker 1>aka being a slut. I keep falling into these relationships

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<v Speaker 1>even though I know it's the last thing I want

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<v Speaker 1>and need. Despite being open about my intentions and actively

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<v Speaker 1>avoiding dating, it keeps happening. I'm a people pleaser and

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<v Speaker 1>naturally connect with others, which might be contributing to this pattern.

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<v Speaker 1>Any advice on how to break the cycle would be

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<v Speaker 1>greatly appreciated. Jordan, Hi, Jordan, Hello, how are you Hi?

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<v Speaker 4>You can't stop making people fall in love?

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<v Speaker 2>With you, it is a bit of a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Well can't you just keep your dick in your pants?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I can't.

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<v Speaker 8>I did for eight years in my relationship, which you know,

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<v Speaker 8>As I said in my letter, I'm now at a

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<v Speaker 8>point in my life for the first time in my

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<v Speaker 8>life where I actually like myself and I think I'm

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<v Speaker 8>quite attractive. So I want to be able to explore that.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I'm in a really good place with myself

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<v Speaker 8>and want to keep doing that kind of stuff, but

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<v Speaker 8>then just keep falling into these they are quite beautiful

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<v Speaker 8>relationships with people, but knowing that it's really not something

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<v Speaker 8>that I want or need at this time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, okay, so I mean I'm off for like having

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<v Speaker 3>fun affairs with people without getting too attached. I'm with

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<v Speaker 3>you on that, But so when you start to get attached,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you thinking? Why do you continue hanging out

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<v Speaker 3>with them because you're just having a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Because, yeah, because it's really nice.

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<v Speaker 8>I find myself having these connections with people where I

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<v Speaker 8>can just fully be myself, where I feel really comfortable

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<v Speaker 8>with them, where I have similar similar likes and we

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<v Speaker 8>can do nice things together and we have great sex,

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<v Speaker 8>And then I kind of get to this point where

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<v Speaker 8>I'm like, shit, it's it would be really hard to

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<v Speaker 8>kind of end this right now, and I think I

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<v Speaker 8>would really really miss it. And then if I do

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<v Speaker 8>kind of cut things off, am I then just going

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<v Speaker 8>to fall into the same thing with someone else?

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<v Speaker 5>Well okay, so what's the problem with that that you're

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<v Speaker 5>breaking everyone's heart?

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<v Speaker 8>Is that your well, well, no, there's kind of multiple problems.

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<v Speaker 8>It's that you know, I ended my year relationship. But

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<v Speaker 8>one of the reasons why I did was because I

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<v Speaker 8>really wanted to spend more time more time with myself,

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<v Speaker 8>and I wanted to have more independence, and I wanted

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<v Speaker 8>to be selfish and think about myself because you know,

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<v Speaker 8>being with someone for eight years, you always want to

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<v Speaker 8>kind of put them first and you want to think

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<v Speaker 8>about them a lot. And then all of the little

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<v Speaker 8>relationships I've forgotten into this year, I find myself putting

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<v Speaker 8>that other person first and then putting myself second, and

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<v Speaker 8>I end up, I don't know, I end up almost

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<v Speaker 8>frustrated or almost resenting them that I have to kind

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<v Speaker 8>of put them first, and I then will make an

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<v Speaker 8>active decision where I say, you know, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 8>to go dating anyone I'm going to try and just

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<v Speaker 8>have little flings on the side, maybe make some friends,

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<v Speaker 8>and then just suddenly, suddenly it happens and I'm in

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<v Speaker 8>another I'm in another situation with someone.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, this is all your fault, Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to set a boundary with yourself because you're

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<v Speaker 3>bound you can't follow your own Like you have to decide, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't want people to fall in love with you,

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't want to break people's hearts and you're

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<v Speaker 3>having you want to have a casual sex, like you

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<v Speaker 3>have to be very clear, which I'm sure you're being.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you being clear upfront? Like I'm not in this

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<v Speaker 4>for a relationship?

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<v Speaker 2>I am, And it made it even harder.

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<v Speaker 8>With the last relationship that I had, or the last

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<v Speaker 8>longer one, which was I think or seven or eight months,

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<v Speaker 8>was that I was pretty open throughout our relationship and

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<v Speaker 8>I said, look, I'm in a really tough place where

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<v Speaker 8>I love you and have a great connection with you,

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<v Speaker 8>but I also don't think this is what I wanted

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<v Speaker 8>the moment. But then the relationship kind of continued on

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<v Speaker 8>even though I was open about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you have to be firmer with people.

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<v Speaker 3>If you really are not interested in pursuing a relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with someone who is getting attached to you, the most

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<v Speaker 3>compassionate thing you can do is to just cut it off,

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<v Speaker 3>unless you have no problem going through life just breaking

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of people's hearts. I don't think like karmically

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<v Speaker 3>that's really what you want to do. What it sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like you want to do is have a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>casual sex with different people while getting to know yourself better.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's nothing wrong with that, you know, But when.

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<v Speaker 3>You go out with someone multiple times and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like we all know, when someone's more interested in a

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<v Speaker 3>relationship than we are, and you need to be like

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<v Speaker 3>decent enough that when you recognize that, you pull back

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<v Speaker 3>and say, okay, let me cut this off now. Don't

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<v Speaker 3>let it linger on and on, even when you've said

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<v Speaker 3>it and they're like, okay, because listen, I've been on

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<v Speaker 3>the receiving side of that. I'm sure you have too,

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<v Speaker 3>where somebody's like, oh, I'm not looking for anything serious,

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<v Speaker 3>and you think, well, they'll change their mind if you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if they don't see me for a while, or if

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<v Speaker 3>you know with me, I'm different.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone thinks that they can change somebody. So if you

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<v Speaker 5>stay with someone.

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<v Speaker 3>After you've told them that you're not serious, then that

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<v Speaker 3>leads them to believe that they are changing your mind,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's just making a bigger mess of things. So

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<v Speaker 3>the boundary that you have is with yourself, like you

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<v Speaker 3>have to stop it, you know, make an amount, like

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<v Speaker 3>you're not going to see somebody more than three times,

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<v Speaker 3>so that nobody gets attached to anybody until you're ready

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<v Speaker 3>for an actual relationship. And this way, nobody can be

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<v Speaker 3>that mad at you after three dates. Nobody's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be like I was in love with you after three dates,

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<v Speaker 3>and if they are, then that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm away.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, And I think that's what my ex said as well.

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<v Speaker 8>When I broke up. They were like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 8>gave you the opportunity to leave, and then I felt

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<v Speaker 8>like that you were still in this and then it

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<v Speaker 8>just kind of dragged on and on. And I think

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<v Speaker 8>a big part of me kind of staying in these

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<v Speaker 8>things comes down to spending the majority of my life

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<v Speaker 8>feeling really insecure, feeling like I wasn't attractive, feeling like

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<v Speaker 8>I was unlovable, and then I think suddenly having someone

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<v Speaker 8>come in and be like.

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<v Speaker 2>This person really likes me, multiple people like me. This

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<v Speaker 2>is good. I need to cling to this.

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<v Speaker 8>It's I think it's it's those you know, twenty eight

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<v Speaker 8>years or thirty years of me feeling like I can't

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<v Speaker 8>have that, I don't deserve that, and then suddenly it happens, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, I'm like, what's happening is it's a great example,

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's great people like you, so like, just you

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<v Speaker 3>don't need others people's validation of how special you are

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<v Speaker 3>anyway you do, because you've been dehydrated from it from

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<v Speaker 3>during your eight year relationship. My girlfriend is also experiencing this.

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<v Speaker 3>She's dating somebody and he's.

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<v Speaker 5>All over her like so considerate, making all these plans

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<v Speaker 5>for her, and she's and he's like, you know, so

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<v Speaker 5>into her, and she's just like, I've never been treated

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<v Speaker 5>this nicely and it's annoying, like I'm not attracted to it,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it's so typical. But listen, you're attracting a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people. That's a great thing. Be respectful of

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<v Speaker 3>other people and their feelings, and most importantly, respect yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't spread yourself so thin like this like, if you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have the capacity for a relationship, don't lead anyone

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<v Speaker 3>down that road, you know, And that's just a good

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<v Speaker 3>way karmically for you to behave for when you are

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<v Speaker 3>ready for your next relationship, and that way you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be treated with respect because you don't want someone

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<v Speaker 3>coming into your life and messing with your emotions in

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<v Speaker 3>that way. I mean, look how it made you feel

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<v Speaker 3>for eight years.

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, I think there's almost a sense of life almost

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<v Speaker 7>as it's a fomo as well, when I meet these

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<v Speaker 7>really beautiful people that suddenly I'm like, oh, but then

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<v Speaker 7>this person then won't be in my life and that'll

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<v Speaker 7>be really sad, and then I'm missing out on that connection.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can still have them in your life, just

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<v Speaker 1>like not in a sexual way for a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think if there is someone that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>stop thinking of six months down the road or three

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<v Speaker 1>months down the road, then like that is your gut

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<v Speaker 1>telling you to go back and explore something a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Mmmmm.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think with the last day year relationship, I

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<v Speaker 8>thought I could change myself. I spent the entire time

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<v Speaker 8>being like I don't think this is what I want,

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<v Speaker 8>but I like this person, therefore, I'm going to really

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<v Speaker 8>try and change it. And I just got to the

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<v Speaker 8>end and I was like, I really tried to change

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<v Speaker 8>how I was feeling, and I just I just couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Something I get a sense about from you is that

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<v Speaker 1>you're very good at mirroring, and you talk about being

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<v Speaker 1>very good at people pleasing or that's like your m

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 1>is people pleasing, and I do wonder, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing somebody, if you're seeing a therapist, is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like unpack some of this because getting rid of

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 1>the people pleasing stuff to a healthy degree has been

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<v Speaker 1>super life changing for me over the last.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you in therapy, because now it would be a

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 4>good time to start.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, Look, I've had a pretty crazy year and

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<v Speaker 8>I hadn't been working for a while so we can

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<v Speaker 8>come and money was a thing. And now I'm finally

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<v Speaker 8>in a position or about to be in a position

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<v Speaker 8>where I'm like, great, I can.

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<v Speaker 2>At the top of my priority list.

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<v Speaker 8>I need to talk about my shit it because after

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<v Speaker 8>everything that's happened this year, I've kind of been just

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<v Speaker 8>pushing it all down and being like I'm totally fine

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 8>and I just know that it needs to just word

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<v Speaker 8>vomit onto someone and really unpack it because I know

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<v Speaker 8>that I know that there's a lot in them to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and like think about your motivations for things too,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know what's your intention every time?

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<v Speaker 4>It's good to take it down a notch.

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<v Speaker 3>You're talking about getting to know yourself and then you're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about getting lost in a bunch of other people.

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<v Speaker 3>So those are two conflicting ideas. Also, you know, if

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 3>you really want to get in touch with yourself, you

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 3>should slow it down and fuck the fomo. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>about missing out when you're trying to get to know yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about putting a deposit into your mental health for

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<v Speaker 3>the future and for your future relationships. So be very

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 3>generous with your care for others and also be very

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 3>generous with your care for yourself.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think I do keep putting other people's feelings

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.399
<v Speaker 8>and emotions before my own when I get into these things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sactly be a selfish act as well.

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Even though it sounds like selfless, it can actually be

0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 3>a selfish thing when you're putting other peoples because that

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 3>creates resentment, that creates all sorts of other emotions, and

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:07.439
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like you think, like you're being drama. Yeah,

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 3>it's a little like dramatic because you're creating drama, Like

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 3>I do all of this like I'm doing this for you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing this for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You're kind of taking the responsibility off of yourself when

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<v Speaker 3>it's your responsibility, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think you need to get your head out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of your ass a little bit, get focused, get a

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<v Speaker 3>good therapist, and just calm down a little bit. Just

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<v Speaker 3>calm down. You don't need to fuck everybody. You can

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<v Speaker 3>fuck a couple of people. Don't get involved with anybody

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<v Speaker 3>when you're not emotionally available. You want to have a

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<v Speaker 3>good time, go ahead and have it, that's all you,

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<v Speaker 3>and then spend some time alone, spend quality time with

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<v Speaker 3>yourself alone.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned that somebody you're dating has a primary partner,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, maybe that's a good route for you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Is like not somebody who's gonna be like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm falling alone, someone who already has told you their

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<v Speaker 1>boundary is that's my primary person. You're the side piece

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of following that a little bit, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that's why I'm feeling a little bit more

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<v Speaker 8>kind of comfortable with the one that's happening at the moment,

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<v Speaker 8>is because I know that it's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there's somewhat of.

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<v Speaker 8>A boundary there already from them, so it means that

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<v Speaker 8>I can't track them down with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, Jordan, on a completely superficial note, I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>you are now very hot, and uh, you don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to worry that you're not anymore.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh god, thank you so much. Even at six staty

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<v Speaker 8>in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he's in Melbourne, so it's very early. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>rise and shine. Yeah, I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm coming to Melbourne. I just announced my Australia dates.

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<v Speaker 8>I saw I'll be moving to the Netherlands though in June,

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<v Speaker 8>so I'm going to miss you and I'm really freshed.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're moving in the Netherlands. Oh there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that'll be nice. Switch a Rooney too. There you go, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Jordan, keep us posted.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Thank you, bye bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he is so good at mirroring. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he and I are dating at the end of that call,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think we have time for like one more question,

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<v Speaker 1>Dear Chelsea, I'm a thirty six year old woman with

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<v Speaker 1>a great career, great family and friends, and a kick

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<v Speaker 1>ass dog. The one thing in my life I can't

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<v Speaker 1>sort out are my romantic relationships. I've been married and divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>no kids, and been in serial long term relationships for

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<v Speaker 1>most of my twenties and thirties. I promise myself a

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<v Speaker 1>year of celibacy and focusing on myself, and when that

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>year was up in August, I dipped my toe back

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<v Speaker 1>in the dating apps. I soon met my current boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>We took it slow, and after three months of dating,

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<v Speaker 1>are an official couple and very serious about each other.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels great, healthy and mature. Thank you therapy. So

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<v Speaker 1>what's the problem. My track record of relationship train wrecks

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<v Speaker 1>has scarred my parents so badly. They're no longer interested

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<v Speaker 1>in meeting or getting to know this wonderful man I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not dating.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like, I remember once one year, They're like,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not allowed to bring friends or lovers on They

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<v Speaker 3>all my friends. I'd always bring some gay guy home

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:50.359
<v Speaker 3>with me that would like ruin the get so wasted, or.

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<v Speaker 1>Do something suck all the air out of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>I always come with one gay man. My dad refuses

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<v Speaker 1>to even hear anything about my dating life, since he

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 1>says he's sick of hearing about it. It should be

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>noted that after his second divorce, I listened to and

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<v Speaker 1>supported him through his many ill advised rebounds, But I digress.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom, who I am extremely close to and love immensely,

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<v Speaker 1>is normally inviting and eager to welcome any guest into

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<v Speaker 1>her home, but she told me she does not want

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<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend to visit with me during the holidays. Her

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<v Speaker 1>exact words were, I can't get close to someone when

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<v Speaker 1>we both know it likely isn't going to work out. Ouch.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the ultimate loser asshole whose entire family

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<v Speaker 1>collectively rolls their eyes when they announce her seeing someone

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<v Speaker 1>new wouldn't surprise me. If there's a when will Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>shit the bet on this one pool? I'd made plans

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<v Speaker 1>with my boyfriend for him to spend two days with

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<v Speaker 1>me at my mom's house and have had now to

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<v Speaker 1>call and uninvite him and explain that my own family

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<v Speaker 1>thinks these things about me. I'm writing this letter after

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<v Speaker 1>crying into my pillow like a little bit after that conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, who wants to be with someone even their

0:42:52.000 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 1>own family thinks is such a loser. How can I

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<v Speaker 1>cope with this and change my family's perspective? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>even worth it? Are they right to set these boundaries?

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<v Speaker 1>And am I being a huge baby about all of this? Help?

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<v Speaker 1>See and see, I know you'll give it to me straight.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say to this that you should respect your

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<v Speaker 3>family's wishes on this one. The only way to change

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 3>your family's mind about you is to start changing your behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>And by changing your behavior means not bringing someone to

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<v Speaker 3>the holiday, since that is your pattern. Just don't you

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<v Speaker 3>already uninvented your boyfriend great or you know, the new guy,

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<v Speaker 3>and just respect your family's wishes and then show them

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<v Speaker 3>a change, like if in six months you guys are

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<v Speaker 3>still together, then you can introduce him. Don't prematurely introduce

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<v Speaker 3>people to your family that they because that's what you've done,

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<v Speaker 3>and just show them over time by going to Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>without him, you're showing that you're respecting their wishes. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's the first step in saying like, Okay, I hear

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<v Speaker 3>what you're saying, and I do want to make a change.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is my first demonstration of that. Totally agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the proof is in the pudding. And so

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully next year when you guys are still together and

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<v Speaker 1>you say like you show them like, hey, we've been

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<v Speaker 1>together almost a year and bring them along. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's all you gotta do. This is a wait and see.

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<v Speaker 1>But go have a great time for the holidays, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can talk about how great your boyfriend is,

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<v Speaker 1>but save your parents the heartache if there is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully there won't be show out Chellam. Yes, well, Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been very fun and I'm excited for you

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<v Speaker 1>to spend some time up shushing in the snow.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I have to get my birthday ready. Start

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<v Speaker 3>time to start brainstorming my birthday video.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay, very excited.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, thank you everybody, We'll be back. We love you.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a happy holiday everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for listening, and thanks for all

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<v Speaker 3>the favorite podcast dms and mentions we got. And I

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<v Speaker 3>love that we have so many fans everywhere. At all

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<v Speaker 3>my shows on the road, everyone's always coming up talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the podcast, So I really appreciate everyone listening all

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<v Speaker 3>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we have a community. Yeah, it's fantastic, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know. If you haven't left a review, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>And leave one, leave a review or write a call

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<v Speaker 3>in you know. If you want advice, feel free please

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<v Speaker 3>do We always need callers.

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea. Do have some new dates for us? Oh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I do?

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<v Speaker 6>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>I do?

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<v Speaker 5>I have a lot of We added lots of Canadian cities, Canadians,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm coming.

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<v Speaker 1>We added.

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<v Speaker 5>About fifteen new tour dates. I'm coming to Denver again,

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<v Speaker 5>Salt Lake City, Vancouver, Richmond, Virginia, Santa Rosa, California, Gary

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<v Speaker 5>and Diana, Baltimore, Rona, New York and about seven dates

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<v Speaker 5>in Canada. So go to Chelseahandler dot com. I am

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<v Speaker 5>performing everywhere. I will be on tour all for the

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<v Speaker 5>rest of the year through December, and then next year

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to be touring all year.

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<v Speaker 4>So come and get it, you guys.

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<v Speaker 5>It's good times and it's a very much needed reprieve

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<v Speaker 5>from all the fucking madness that's going on in this world.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm here to bring joy and sunshine.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'd like advice from Chelsea, shoot us an email

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