1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Ron An Anian, it's an eight hundred dollar evap canister 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: or some ridiculous amount of money, and you have to 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: pull down the rear suspension to get to it. It's 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: quite the job, It's not you know, why would they 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: make a two bolts out in front where you could 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: just go zip zip and you're done that, Patients, I'm 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: telling myself, Patients is the King. We hold these truths 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: to be evident, that all men are created equal, that 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: they are endowed. Might they create all with certain unamienable rights. 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: But among the light, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: that car Doctor, do you know the difference between the 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: black and the white zip ties? No? I don't know. 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: The black ones are supposed to be weather proof. I 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: never knew that. I know you would think they're full 15 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: to be the sam right. Welcome to the radio home 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: of ron and Anian, the Car Doctor, since this is 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: where car owners the world overturned to for their definitive 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in the 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: good rage. Doors are open, but I am here to 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five and now running I 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: want to tell you why electric vehicles probably won't make 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: it as a concept in this country. And I want 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: to tell it to you this way because I think 25 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: this is probably one of the key things down on 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart that I you know, everybody's 27 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: gotta believe in something, and I really think this is 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: going to affect it. Miguel came to the shop this week. 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: Miguel's a new customer, first time we're seeing him, and 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: he had a two thousand eight Chevy Silverado pickup truck 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: had a multitude of codes and had a slew of problems, 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: among which were codes and three specific areas fuel, trim, 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: O two, censor, and EVAP. I mean I counted them. 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: There were seventeen codes in this truck. Some of them 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: were currents, some of them were history. They've been repair attempts. 36 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: The most recent repair attempt was by the thieves up 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: the highway that are running an exhaust shop that we're 38 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: trying to fix it, that charged him two thousand dollars 39 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: for a catalytic converter that did nothing to fix the 40 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: truck or solve the problem. When I tell you what 41 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: they did, you're gonna go up there and arrest them. 42 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: So let me back up a second. It still just 43 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: gets me fired up when I see stupidity and thievery 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: like this, and this is what's wrong with the industry. 45 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: They they diagnosed catalytic converter efficiency faults to that of 46 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: bad catalytic converters. Okay, I understand that, and and in 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: all likelihood, at all probability it was. But my concern 48 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: was now it had and I don't know if these 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: were pre existing to the cat issue or they were 50 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: just a continuation of original code, because I sort of 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: came into this third step, so I started to diagnose. 52 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: I started to diagnose against known faults and pattern failures. 53 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: And you know what do I always tell you tell 54 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: me what's good, I'll tell you what's bad. So I 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: went through my usual will you know, myriad of of 56 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: testing and diagnostics. And one of the things I always 57 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: like to do what I'm dealing with fuel trim is 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: I will graph all four oxygen centers. Let me tell 59 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: you what an oxygen sensor is. Do you hear everybody 60 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: throw the word around like it's time candy used to 61 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: be penny candy, but inflations raised it up. An oxygen 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: sensor is a voltage producing device zero to one volts. 63 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: For terms of our conversation here in all practicality and simplicity, 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: if there is an excess of oxygen, the fuel system 65 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: is running lean. It produces a low voltage. If there 66 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: is an absence of oxygen, the fuel system is running 67 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: a little richer, and it produces a high voltage. Zero 68 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: to one vaults is typically where it is. So you 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: will graph the four sensors and look for response the 70 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: upstream Mode two or the cataty. The oxygen centers before 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: the cats should be switching, should be going from high 72 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: to low, high to low over a certain time period. 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: And the ones after the cat, if the catalytic converters 74 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: are doing their job, should be stuck relatively high. You'll 75 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: typically see them point six point seven tenths of a vault, 76 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: and you know you've got operational functional cats. You've got 77 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: operational functional OH two sensors in the system. Is happy. 78 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: It's doing what it's supposed to do. Micguel's truck. The 79 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: left side look normal. The upstream OH two was switching 80 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: hide to low. The downstream OH two was stuck high. 81 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: I said, hey, no problem there. The right side. Both 82 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: sensors were just about flatlined. They were, you know, barely 83 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: I mean barely, just kicking their head up above two 84 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: tents of a vault. And I'm saying, how can I 85 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: have two bad sensors on one side not the other? 86 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: But yet and fuel trim was reflecting this. Fueld trim 87 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: was a little crazy. Right side was showing me different 88 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: numbers than left. But I'm saying, all four sensors or newer, newer, 89 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: what's going on here? And I kind of had to 90 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: also deal with the fact that the exhaust man folds 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: on both sides like typical GM Giant mistakes fashion GM, 92 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: the exhaust manifold bolts had popped off, the heads of 93 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: the bolts popped off at the end of the manifold, 94 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: the head of the bolts popped off at the front 95 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: of the manifold, and he had exhaust leaks. So he's 96 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: drawing in extra oxygen right, because it's it's oxygen getting 97 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: into the exhaust system, which will skew or mis lead 98 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: the O two censor readings because it's not accounted for 99 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: by the mass airflow sensor as it comes into the engine. 100 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: And is that the problem? Do I have a bigger 101 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, I've got exhaust leaks same. You know, both 102 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: manifolds are appear to be leaking at the same rate, 103 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: So why is one side so drastically different than the other. 104 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: And I put it up in the air, and I'm looking. 105 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: Am I missing something? Do I have sensors plugged in 106 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: the wrong way? Do I have wrong sensors? What do 107 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: they appear to look like? And I looked at it 108 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: and then I got it, and I got it real quick. 109 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: If you ever look at an oxygen sensor, an oxygen 110 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: sensor kind of looks like a spark plug. There's the 111 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: top portion with the wires coming out the connect to 112 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: the computer and the harness, and then there's the threaded 113 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: portion where it threads into the threads of the pipe 114 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: or the bung as we call it, all right, And 115 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: then there's a portion of the two centsor that sticks 116 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: out down below the threaded area so that it can 117 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: as exhaust passes through the pipe. The exhaust passes through 118 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: the sensor and will provide a voltage reading. The left 119 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: side was normal. The left side that the depth or 120 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: the amount of height of the bung was normal. It 121 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: was it was about a quarter of an inch. It 122 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: was the size of the threads of an O two censor. 123 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: The right side it was almost three quarters of an 124 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: inch or higher, maybe closer to seven eighths. I measured it, 125 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: and I said, how can that be? And how can 126 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: they expect this to work? Because now the oxygen sensor, 127 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: the the censor portion of the sensor is not in 128 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: the exhaust dream the sensor portion of the sensor is 129 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: buried up in the in the bung of the pipe. 130 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: No wonder, the readings are flatlined on the right side. 131 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: The sensors are working, they're showing no oxygen because no 132 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: oxygen or exhaust can pass through them to generate any 133 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: kind of accurate voltage signal. So I talked to Miguel. 134 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: I explained everything I had found, and I showed him 135 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: what I showed him, and he got underneath and he 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: kind of nodded his head and he said, okay, that 137 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: makes sense, he said, and then he referenced something about 138 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: how since they made the pipe, and I said, whoa 139 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what do you mean since they made 140 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: the pipe, Well, they made they made this catalytic converter 141 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: for me. They didn't want to get one from the factory, 142 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: and in all fairness, the one from g M is 143 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: on back order. You could find them. I tried, You 144 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: can get them. You can do something called spat K 145 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: special handling, make it a priority, and the dealer will 146 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: sell it to you at attend a mark up over price. 147 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: But at least you'll get the factory pipe or the 148 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: right pipe. But good lord, if you're gonna make one, 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: can't you make it right. You made the left side correctly, 150 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: the right side was completely wrong. And then to top 151 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: it off, I said to him, said, Miguel, you gotta 152 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: go back. I said, you've got to ask them to, 153 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, replace the ball. And he says, Ron, I've 154 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: tried three maybe four times. He says, they don't want 155 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: to know anything, and they're happy they got paid. And 156 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 1: then I asked the question, how much, oh to grand cash? 157 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: You know why electric cars aren't going to work right away, 158 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: if at all, or to some level or to the 159 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,239 Speaker 1: level that the government wants. Because here's something everybody is forgotten. 160 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: The automotive aftermarket, the independent automotive aftermarket. Does anybody have 161 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: any idea where it spawned or where it came from? 162 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: It was a necessity, It was created out of the 163 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: the forthcoming and the structure of World War Two. There 164 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: was no dealer network in the forties. Orto repair shops 165 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: where the blacks in this in the late eighties, in 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: the eighteen nineties, and then as things turned to the teens, 167 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: and then as Henry Ford and everybody else invented the cars, 168 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: the blacksmith shops became the shops that were now fixing 169 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: the horseless carriage, and from there their dealerships grew and 170 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: continued to grow. During the war, independent automotive repair shops 171 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: were really the cat's pajamas, if I can use that 172 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: term appropriately. That you know, it was the place to go. 173 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: It was the place that could fix the car. It 174 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: was the place that everyone could count on. Electric car 175 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: technology right now and I don't anticipate to getting any 176 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: better for what they claimed to be a lot of 177 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: reasons isn't being released to the automotive after market. It's 178 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: very difficult and very expensive for an independent shop to 179 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: learn about electric vehicles. And I think partly because of 180 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: shops that service cars like they serviced Miguel's, it's going 181 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: to be even more difficult because they don't want to learn. 182 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: They don't want to understand and what it takes to 183 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: make a gas engine car run correctly. How do you 184 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: expect them to want to learn? Where's the motivation to 185 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: learn and understand how an electric vehicle operates properly? It 186 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't exist. There's no need. And everybody has come 187 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: out with every cockamami story under the sun in order 188 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: to make a buck, because it's more about fixing cars 189 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: in my mind, than making the buck. If you fix 190 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: the car, you'll make the book. They're doing it the 191 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: other way around. They're trying to make the book by 192 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: fixing the car. Tom Ray had an experience this week, 193 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna tell this story real quick, and 194 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: then we're gonna go to break. Tom drove a four 195 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: to Escape. Tom Ray, my my wonderful producer and chief 196 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: engineer that I love the death that does such a 197 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: great job for me every week, and he purchased to 198 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: Escape and he drove it to about two miles and 199 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: then his daughter, who was going to VET School that 200 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: we're also proud of, went to VET school three years ago. 201 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: And Tom will correct me if I'm off on my 202 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: time frame in lengths, but you know, it's it's it 203 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: was two and a half three years ago, and she 204 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: went to school in Massachusetts, a bit toughs I believe, 205 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: and she just graduated and the car had to go 206 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: through inspection, so it had to come back to New 207 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: York where Tom lives, to get inspected, and it failed 208 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: New York State inspection because the subframe underneath the engine 209 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: the front cradle had a hole and it's so big 210 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: you can put your fists through it. And Tom called 211 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: me on Wednesday or Thursday this week and we talked 212 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: about I said, you know, Tom, I said, if this 213 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: is an inspection issue, the only way I know to 214 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: legally and safely repair that vehicles to put a subframe 215 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: in it. I said, if this was just a matter 216 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: of structural safety and concern, if there's something the well 217 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: to two week at well to patch and but I 218 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna make the inspectors happy. Tom border 219 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: a new car, or helped her buy a new car. 220 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: The kid got a new car, or whatever happened. That 221 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: isn't the story. The story is. Tom told me afterwards, 222 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: he said, you know, Ron, I feel really good about 223 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: this because we replaced a vehicle that was so severely 224 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: rusted and wrote it underneath, and I said, why is that? 225 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: Tommy goes, well, think about where she went to school. 226 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: She's she's three years in Massachusetts, where you put down 227 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: forty tons of calcium chloride for every one drop of 228 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: snowflake that hits the ground. And immediately my mind went 229 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: to what will that do to an electric vehicle? I 230 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: wonder how electric vehicles are going to hold up in 231 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: the rust belt? Is it not going to be the 232 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: rust belt? Is it gonna be the corrosion belt? Are 233 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: we gonna rot electric cars right off the frame? You 234 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: wonder what they're going to do. Of course, the bottom 235 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: line becomes, none of us know the answer to any 236 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: of this question, any of these questions, because they're not 237 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: telling us, like they're not telling independent repair shops how 238 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: to fix cars or electric vehicles. And that's gonna be 239 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: the downfall. They're keeping this so close to the chest, 240 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: in my opinion, haven't seen anything yet that what are 241 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: they to wait until two weeks before and then go, Okay, 242 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: here's all the information you need to know. Repairing gasoline 243 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: engine vehicles was a process. It took a long time 244 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: for the automotive after market to learn how to do it. 245 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: They've got to be able to afford it, they've got 246 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: to be able to make business at it, and they've 247 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: got to be able to service it in order for 248 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: you the consumer to get your vehicle out on the road, 249 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: because there's no way to deal with network and handle 250 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: at all. I'm rounding any in the car doctor. I'll 251 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: be back right after this. For your thoughts and your 252 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: phone calls don't go away when you get keep Ron's 253 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: number hand eight five five five zero nine zero zero 254 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: for when you really need advice on your car. Here's Rob. Hey, 255 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: let's get over to Roy in Massachusetts. Roy. Welcome to 256 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: the car doctor, sir. How can I help? Hi? Ron? 257 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, appreciate that you're welcome. What's going on? 258 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: I got I got an all nine Honda c r 259 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: V that the last month or so I've been have 260 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: an intermittent started issues with it. It would stop great, 261 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: and when I go downtown and shut it off, and 262 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: maybe once or twice a week would I turn the key, 263 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: nothing would happen, the lights would all come in on, 264 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: and but then when I wait a few minutes, it 265 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: would start up. And there was a few times when 266 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: that happened where it would crank over in the crank 267 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: then it would completely stopped, like the battery was dead. 268 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: But I got a brand new battery and I just 269 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: put it in last month because I thought that was 270 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: the issue. But the other day yesterday, there was nothing 271 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: I had to get told. So I think it's the 272 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: start it because it's making like a cooking sound down 273 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: by the starter. Even the tow truck driver thought thinks 274 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: it's the start it too. Yeah, I'm hearing it if 275 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: the starter is clicking. So the way this works is 276 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: it comes out of it. It comes out of the 277 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: ignition switch, and the fact that the dashboard lights up 278 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: and all the normal lights are there gives you a 279 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: pretty good shot that the ignition switch itself is turning 280 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: everything on like it's supposed to. The next stop for 281 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: the signal is it is out to a starter relay 282 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: in the underhood fuse box on the left side of 283 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: the engine compartment, and that then closes and then sends 284 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: a signal down they draw a higher amperage than what 285 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: they want to run through the ignition switch. That then 286 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: sends a signal down to the starter solenoid to engage 287 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: the solenoid to crank the engine over as long as 288 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: all right, let's do this, but let's look at what's good. Okay, 289 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: good clean connection at the battery terminals both you may 290 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: want to voltage drop test them, put a put a 291 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: meter across them and see if you've got anybody taken 292 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: a detour. And as long as you don't, as long 293 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: as you've got a good, clean connection and acceptable voltage drop, 294 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: then your cable connections are good. Check the ground cable 295 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: where it attaches to the transmission. There's a little ten 296 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: millimeter bolt. You'll see the end of the ground cable 297 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: is just copper freight or it looks copper frayed by 298 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: now it's twelve years old. Just make sure that that 299 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: is in good condition and not down to one strand 300 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: of wires, so that we don't have some strange ground 301 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: cable connection issue. And as long as that's good, that's 302 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: gonna be on the end of the trans If you 303 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: follow the ground cable, come off the negative battery post, 304 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: follow it down, all right, that should have a That 305 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: ground should terminate either on the engine block. I believe 306 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: it actually terminates on the transmission. There's an ear that's 307 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: gonna that it's gonna bolt to you'll see the negative cable. 308 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: Just go and you'll you'll understand what I'm saying. When 309 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: you see the cable the cable end um. They don't 310 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: they don't wrap the whole cable in some kind of insulation. 311 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: The last three inches just seems to be exposed out 312 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: in the atmosphere, which kind of blows my mind every 313 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: time I see it, because I think about all the 314 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: cars that drive around in high salt states like Massachusetts, 315 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: in Vermont and New Hampshire and other places, and I say, 316 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: how do these cables hold up over time? Just remember, 317 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: these are the guys designing the electric car, So you 318 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: can't just wait fifteen years. I hope it fast forwards. 319 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: So you know, just make sure that's a good, clean, 320 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: solid connection there. If that cable connection is good, vault 321 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: is drop tested, you've got good clean connections at the 322 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: battery cables, all right. If the starters solenoid, or you 323 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: hear the starter go click, chances are you've got a 324 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: bad start. I agree with that assessment, all right, just 325 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: because the battery cables the other day and clean them 326 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: very good and come back on and then yeah, just 327 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: then then we've got a choice. It's either it's going 328 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: to either be the cable connection for ground or the 329 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: cable connection for positive or the starter itself. Is it 330 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: the original starter? Dean O. Roy? Yes, because I got 331 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: it from my sister. It's she bought a brand new okay, 332 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: and how many miles were on the car. It's time, 333 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: It's time. Listen, you know, there there comes up. There 334 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: comes a point in the life of a car where 335 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: we have to think about replacing things based on age, 336 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: so that we replaced them based on our comfort level 337 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: and not the car's surprise. You know, that's just that's 338 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: just really the key. So get out online, get out 339 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: to a rileyoto dot com, go look at and my 340 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: preferred choice of brand would be a dense Oh if 341 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: you can find a dense o starter for it. It's 342 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: not an easy job to do. If you're gonna tackle 343 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: it yourself health You've got to get it up in 344 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: the air as high as you can to work to 345 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: pull things down. But see what o'rellyoto dot com has 346 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: for you. Pick out a Denso and uh, you know 347 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: it's nuts and bolts. It just takes some time and maneuver. 348 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 1: Good luck to you, Roy. Let me know what happens next. 349 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm ron Ani in the car. Doctor. I'll be back 350 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back. Let's cruise on over to 351 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: Linda in North Carolina and see what's going on here? 352 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: Run any and at your service, Linda? How can I help? Okay? 353 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: I just need to know what the problem is with 354 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: my car where I need to do key and the 355 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: key will not open. It's locked in the garage. So 356 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: so just tell me what do you have? You have 357 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: keyless entry with no key in the door? Yeah, okay, 358 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: that opened it. Okay. There has to be a lock 359 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: cylinder somewhere in that car. I've never seen one where 360 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: it's where there is no lock cylinder. If you look 361 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: at the door handle, is there a little tab at 362 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: the end that looks like it flicks off? Is there 363 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: a key in the fob? Is there a release button 364 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: that if you release it, a small cylinder like key 365 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: or small key th in key pops out the end? 366 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: You're sure? No? Okay? And the reason the reason I 367 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: say the reason I say that is if this car 368 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: had a dead battery. All right, just think about this 369 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: for a second. If this car had a dead battery 370 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: and you couldn't get the hood up. How would you 371 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: open the door? That's that's my problem. We don't even 372 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: know if the battery is dead about mind right there there, 373 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: There has there has to be a way to open 374 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: that door manually. There has to be a key in 375 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: this in this vehicle has to be. I've never seen 376 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: a car not, have it. They the Mazda would be 377 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: hung out to dry if they created cars like this 378 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: has to have now where I'm sorry, I don't quite 379 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: understand because it's the key with my key fob, and 380 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: then I have a regular key that I've also tried. Right, 381 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: so you have you have a regular traditional metal key, correct, Yeah, 382 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: you just can't. You just can't find a place to 383 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: put it. Uh, well, the keyhole in the door. We 384 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: pulled the little lead lever up and have tried that 385 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: and it won't open. It won't It'll turn like it 386 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: always did, turn to the right, but the door doesn't open. Okay, 387 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: So in other words, you you feel the door is 388 00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: mechanically unlocked, right, but you pulled the hand, you pull 389 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: the handle and the door does not open. Oh no, no, 390 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: it's totally tainted into it. Can't look under the hood. Well, 391 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: we don't need to get under the hood as long 392 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: as we have we have we have a mechanical key. 393 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: You you're telling me now you have a mechanical key. Correct, 394 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: We'll have a key and a thing I pressed had 395 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: always opened the door. Right. Forget that for a second. 396 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: Forget that. That's Linda. Listen to me a second. Do 397 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: you have you have a traditional metal key? Yeah? Okay, 398 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: you can put that in the keyhole in the door, 399 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: turn it but the door and then pull on the 400 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: handle on the door still does not open? Correct? Okay? 401 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: If you turn it right or left? Do you feel 402 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: a change in resistance of the key turning? Is it 403 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: tighter one way than the other? No? Not really, It 404 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: feels like it always did when I used a key 405 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: in the door. Feel it turn all? Right? Does any 406 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: does any other door have a key? Have a key? No? 407 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: Just one door? Great? Great design? Huh? Can't you wait 408 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: to see when they come out electric cars like this? 409 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: So then my next comment would be if mechanically you 410 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: can't unlock the door, this is all mechanical at this point, 411 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: from what you're describing to me, You've you've got a 412 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: mechanical condition that you can't you're turning the lock cylinder 413 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 1: can you can someone watch from the other side and 414 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: look at the driver's door with a flashlight. Is there 415 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: a door knob on this car? Is there a Is 416 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: there a lock knob that goes up and down or 417 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: is it a slide mechanism? Dnl No, the doorknob. Does 418 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: it go up and down when you turn the quy? No, 419 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: not that that I have seen back. So then we 420 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: have to assume, which is a dangerous word on family radio, 421 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: that if the door knob isn't going up and down 422 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: when you turn the key, either the latch mechan is 423 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: is broken so that it can't unlock, or the linkage 424 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: from the lock cylinder to the latch is disconnected. Okay, 425 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: so at that point, at that point, you would need 426 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: a locksmith with some slim gym tools to come out 427 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: and pop the door down between the glass like traditionally 428 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: they used to do. That's the that's the only other 429 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: thought I've got, all Right, Has the car been sitting 430 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: any length of time? About a month? I'll usually I 431 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: have two cars, so it's my second car, and I 432 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: started every couple of weeks, but it has not been driven. 433 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: But it's been started about two weeks prior to this 434 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: problem now has almost new battery. Now when you when 435 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: you left it the last time as a car sitting 436 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: in a garager, is it outside it's in the garage. Okay, 437 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: do you recall if you left it locked or unlocked? 438 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: You locked, you locked it in the garage. Okay, I'm 439 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: just you know, I'm just wondering. My My biggest thing 440 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: is when you turn the key, do you feel it? 441 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: You know, and you should know what the latch feels 442 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: like when it's It's like when you unlock the front 443 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: door to the house. Right, there's a there's a door knob, 444 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: there's a lock on the front latch to the house. 445 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure one way it turns, it turns. It's this 446 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: much effort to turn it. The other way, it's that 447 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: much effort to turn it. If you're seeing, if you're 448 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: feeling it like it's normal, I have to think the 449 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: linkage is disconnected or the latch is stuck. And it 450 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't, then you know, perhaps perhaps the door 451 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: is stuck. Maybe it's more of a tug. I'm not 452 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: telling somebody to rip the handle off the door, but um, 453 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: maybe it just needs a little bit of a nudge. 454 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: As my mother would say, um, you know, short of that, 455 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: it's got to be that the latch mechanism isn't releasing. 456 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: The only other thing I would tell you to try 457 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: is when you when you pull on the handle when 458 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: you think the door lock is in the unlocked position. 459 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: But wait, you said the door knob doesn't go up 460 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: and down. No, I don't think so, but I can't 461 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: swear to that. Okay, check that, because if the door 462 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: knob goes up and down but you still can't open it, 463 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: perhaps pulling the handle and pushing in on the door 464 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: we'll cause it to release. Sometimes I've seen doors stick 465 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: because seals swell, especially in heat, and as cars get 466 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: older and the bodies tend to shift out of position 467 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: a little bit. And if you push in on the 468 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: door while you're pulling on the handle, the latch mechanism 469 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: will pop and that'll get the door open. And then 470 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: at that point somebody should pull the door panel off 471 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: and lubricate and clean everything, and then watch the operation 472 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: to make sure it doesn't happen again. That all right, 473 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: try that. If that doesn't work, I think, yeah, I 474 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: think that's I think that's gonna be your next step. 475 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: But I think the key is no pun intended? As 476 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: you turn that as you turn that lock cylinder in 477 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: the door, how does that feel in relationship to the 478 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: pressure it should put on the latch assembly in order 479 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: to get it to release. Call me back, let you 480 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: know what happens, Linda, I'm curious. I'll add I looked 481 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: on the internet. There were three people who had with 482 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: most Tribute too, had the same problem and never found 483 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: an answer. One of them ended up trashing it. No, 484 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: there's gotta be away. There's gotta be away. You know 485 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: what if you don't, if you don't, if you can't 486 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: get into this and you don't get an answer, can 487 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: you remember my email Ron at Car Doctor Show dot com. Yeah, 488 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Ron at Car Doctor Show dot com, send me an 489 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: email and I'll do some research. I just need the 490 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: seventeen digit VIN of the vehicle. It'll be on the 491 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: vehicle registration or or on the title. All right, there's 492 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: always an answer, Kiddoh, thank you, Ron, You're very welcome 493 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: to you. Alright, you take good care. I'm in the 494 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: car Docrate five zero. We're back right after this. Don't 495 00:26:53,240 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: go away talking about the car doctor. As we roll 496 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: along here, you know a great question up on the 497 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: Facebook page. The car Doctor Facebook stream is up. Carston writes, 498 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: and he says he's talking about um starter motors on 499 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: the start Stop vehicles as we're talking about Startust died. 500 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: And he says, how long do you think the last? 501 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: And I wrote back, I said, you know, Carston, I said, 502 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: they'll probably list longer, judging by the price and demands 503 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: put on them. But I can promise you this the last, 504 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: at least until the warranty is up. The question is 505 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: how much longer beyond that. I gotta think they've got 506 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: a list a reasonable amount of time. But again, as 507 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: I look at that, and I look at the start 508 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: Stop technology, the very first thought that comes through my 509 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: mind and we're all forgetting this. Nobody is mentioning this. 510 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: And I've got to tell you. I told Tom this week, 511 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: I said, I'm starting to feel like I'm an outcast, 512 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: like I'm the only guy talking about this. I don't 513 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: anybody else talking anything about this. With electric cars is 514 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the oddity of it or 515 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: the way it's just it just seems like it's being accepted. 516 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: People are Okay, we'll get an electric vehicle, not thinking 517 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: about the consequence is not thinking about getting its service, 518 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: not thinking about where's the electricity come from, and the 519 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: hundred of things we've been talking about the past couple 520 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: of months. You know, again, we're taking the means of 521 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: owning a transportation device out of the hands of the 522 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: average citizen. People are not going to be able to 523 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: afford to operate vehicles. I don't know whether they're electric, gas, hydrogen, 524 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: hot air, balloon, whatever it is, but people aren't gonna 525 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: be able to afford it. It's just it's just reaching 526 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: a limit of you know, Okay, what do you want 527 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: to try? Now? Bring back the horse? Um? Wait, all 528 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: that happens. So anyway, let's go over to Bill in Mexico, 529 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: New Mexico. I'm sorry, oh once Silverado. Bill. Welcome to 530 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: the car doctor, sir, how can I help Hi? Ron, 531 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for taking my call. Um. Actually, I'm I'm 532 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: from Wisconsin and I had to take a road trip 533 00:28:53,640 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: down here and uhs and my truck, I mean a ran, 534 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, ran great perfectly, but I noticed, um along 535 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: the way there was some road construction, so I had 536 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: to stop at one point with the vehicle idoling, put 537 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: it in park and the field gage just started jumping 538 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: around between half and three quarters full. Um. Just going 539 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: down that road with it running, the gauge reads accurately 540 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: to what the level is. But when I put it 541 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: in the park with an engine idling, gauge jumps around, 542 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if that is an indication of potential 543 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: fuel pump failure. The vehicle run normal, bill, any any 544 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: changes in the well right runs normal, starts right up, 545 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: no hiccups, any check engine line on. No, it's it 546 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: could be the beginnings of a bad fuel pump sender, 547 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: not the pump itself, but the sending unit attached to 548 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: the pump. Does the AH swing down too empty and 549 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: change too fast to be real? Um? No, it's just 550 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: kind of oscillations between well. At that one point when 551 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: I noticed when when I was stopped on the highway there, 552 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: it would just go between full and three quarters and 553 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: it kind of just jumped back and forth as soon 554 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: as you put it in gear and it would go away. 555 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: And put it in park and it would start doing 556 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: that again. Only when you put it in only it 557 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: would only change and oscillate difference between park and drive. Correct, 558 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: Did you put it in reverse? Does reverse change anything. 559 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Um that I did not try. I didn't want to 560 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: scare the person behind me. Well, you know, just sitting still. 561 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: But you're saying, you're saying it only happens while you're 562 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: moving going down the road. No, No, it only going 563 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: down the road. It's steady and reads accurate. It's just 564 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: like when you come to a stop. Um, put it 565 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: in gear or put it in park rather with the 566 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: engine running, and it just oscillates back and forth. But 567 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: it's not like huge swings. It's maybe in between the 568 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: quarter increments. I'm engaged between say half and half and 569 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: three quarters or three quarters in full. It just moves 570 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: that little distance. If you were sitting there for ten 571 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: minutes and it was in park and the engine was idling, 572 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: would it continued to do that or does it eventually 573 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: level out? Um, at that point, it was continuing to 574 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: do it. Okay. You know what I was thinking about 575 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: is you were traveling from Wisconsin to New Mexico, any 576 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: rough roads. Could the baffling you know, there's a there's 577 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: a baffle plate or an anti slash plate inside the tank. 578 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it broke loose inside the tank or 579 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: it's creating a problem controlling the fuel so the fuel 580 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: doesn't slash, because it doesn't sound like you actually have 581 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: a a UM ascending unit failing. It sounds like almost 582 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: like it's reading the the the slash movement inside the tank. 583 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: So it would be interesting if you started the truck 584 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: up after it sat overnight. If you started the truck 585 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: up and sat there in park, does the gauge oscillating 586 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: move in park? Yes, because I drove it this morning 587 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: and I sat in the driveway and just let it idle, 588 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: and it started doing that oscillating a little bit um 589 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: so they put it in gear. It's steady. Then you've 590 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: got to number one night scan it for codes. Do 591 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: you have the beginnings of Do you have the beginnings 592 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: of a P zero four sixty three fuel level sender? 593 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: Issue number one? Number two? Do you have an erratic reading? 594 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: I would want to look and see what data stream 595 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: is via scan tool. What is the computer seeing. If 596 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: the computer is seeing a steady gauge reading while the 597 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: dashboard is oscillating, then the problems in the dashboard or 598 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: the wiring leading up to and it's not a sending 599 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: unit issue, there are some as complicated as that vehicle 600 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: could be Bill. It's still a basic fuel pump, still 601 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: a basic sending unit type of operations. So you can 602 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: go through some basics there and do what you have 603 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: to do. Um, you know, take it from that perspective 604 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: and get home, get home safe, and then have a 605 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: diagnosed up there. If you can't get it then down 606 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: in New Mexico, give me a call back. Let me 607 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: know how it turns out. I'm round naming the car Doctor. 608 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Welcome back round naming 609 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: the car Doctor here Ronet card doctor show dot com 610 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: is the email. By the way, get out and check 611 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: out car doctor show dot com. Car Doctor show dot com. 612 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: Our new website is up and operating. Um, I've actually 613 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: got a blog going there. I published our first story, UM, 614 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: in a relationship. It's a story I wrote for a 615 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: New Jersey automotive magazine, one of the trades here in 616 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: New Jersey, about the auto repair of business. I used 617 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: to write a monthly column. I'd still be doing it, 618 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: but I kinda. I got other things going on. I 619 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: got I told Tom that the other Tom. It's funny, 620 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: I've always worked for a Tom or with a Tom, 621 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: and um, Tommy Greco there wants me to come back 622 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: in the worst way. But Tom, I gotta take some 623 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: time off and keep doing radio. It's the big deal 624 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: right now. Um. But in any event, there's a interesting 625 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: story there. I thought it was timely, uh, going back 626 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: talking about you know what it's like to be in 627 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: the repair shop business and how things have evolved. You'll 628 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: find it up there under Ron speaks on the Car 629 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: Doctor show dot com website. Recent article published on the 630 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: Hill dot com. I thought the Hill was the restaurant 631 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: I like in close to New Jersey. That's another conversation 632 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: about the exact cost of owning an electric car versus 633 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: a gas car. And I read this and you're not 634 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: gonna believe it. The difference between operating an electric vehicle 635 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: and a gas vehicle over the lifetime is four cents 636 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: a mile. And the article continues it says a four 637 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: cent per mile difference might sound abysmal, but in the 638 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: long haul, evs are more economically friendly when it comes 639 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: to having a lifetime vehicle. How is an e V 640 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: going to be a lifetime vehicle? With computers, modules, chips 641 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,959 Speaker 1: and software updates that things change so fast we can't 642 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: keep current car technology going. Look my wife's eighteen Explorer 643 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 1: four times, into the Ford Dealer four times. Ford Motor 644 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: Company can't fix it. And it continues on and on 645 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: and on and on until the next time I'm runing 646 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: any in the car. Doctor reminding you mechanics aren't expensive, 647 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you, She