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Speaker 1: Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to woke F Daily with Meet

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Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody, Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that coming up next is my

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Speaker 1: last conversation of twenty twenty two with our friend, our

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Speaker 1: in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, and I just want

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Speaker 1: to take a few minutes to express just you know,

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Speaker 1: it isn't often that you spark relationship where somebody cares

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Speaker 1: just as much about your show and your audience as

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Speaker 1: you do, and Jonathan has been that person for woke

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Speaker 1: f over the last three years, which is crazy. Jonathan

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Speaker 1: started to come on if you all remember, if you've

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Speaker 1: been listening for that entire time in twenty twenty when

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Speaker 1: the pandemic started and we didn't know what was going

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Speaker 1: to happen, where we were going to go, what this

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Speaker 1: actually meant to be in this pandemic, and Jonathan helped

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Speaker 1: us share all of us through giving us updates and

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Speaker 1: insights and you know, from the medical community, from the

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Speaker 1: public health community, and I think that in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways he really helped, at least, you know, for

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Speaker 1: me to assuage a lot of fears and put a

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Speaker 1: lot of real thinking behind the misinformation that had been

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Speaker 1: floating around, and so I have just been internally grateful

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Speaker 1: that our relationship has broadened over the last couple of years. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: COVID is still very much a thing and still very real,

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Speaker 1: but I also recognize that our conversations have gotten more

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Speaker 1: in depth and we've talked about more things. We talk

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Speaker 1: about emotional stability, and I just really appreciate his voice

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Speaker 1: America stands globally in comparison to other nations as we

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Speaker 1: look and think about what public health and the role

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Speaker 1: is different from other nations. And also Jonathan has just

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Speaker 1: the world. Switching gears then friends, before we head into

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Speaker 1: this last interview with Jonathan, if you will follow me

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Speaker 1: on social media, then you know that one I've been

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Speaker 1: doing a couple of MSNBC shows and posting those clips

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Speaker 1: and obviously have been posting on TikTok as well. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was referred by the January sixth Committee to

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice on four criminal charges. Those four

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Speaker 1: charges being the desire to obstruct an official proceeding, conspiracy

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Speaker 1: to defraud the United States, conspiracy to make a false

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Speaker 1: statement and insight, assist or comfort, and insurrection. Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: along with John Eastman and others, have been referred to

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice for criminal charges. Now, in several

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Speaker 1: videos that I made, I signaled the fact that this

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Speaker 1: not you kind of want to shrug it off or

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Speaker 1: there's no real teeth behind this, because this committee does

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Speaker 1: not have legal authority to be able to issue indictments,

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Speaker 1: you have to understand that a president, a former president

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Speaker 1: for criminal activity, namely criminal activity that is to disrupt

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Speaker 1: the peaceful transfer of power in these United States. This

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Speaker 1: frivolous partisan attack from the Democrats. This was an eighteen month,

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Speaker 1: and meticulous research and analysis of information that links Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump to the insurrection not only links him to the insurrection,

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Speaker 1: many wanted to state that what we saw on January six,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump knew that these people were coming with weapons.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump knew that he was going to march with

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Speaker 1: this country quote unquote, by any means necessary. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: was told numerous times by his own Attorney General, Bill Barr,

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Speaker 1: who is no one who is above board, that he

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump needs to tweet out that we need this

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Speaker 1: rattle to be non violent. Why because they had been

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Speaker 1: which means that Donald Trump once again has blood on

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Speaker 1: his hands. Now. While the Department of Justice is not

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Speaker 1: public interests sure as hell have them look into the

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Speaker 1: information at hand. This is similarly with the January sixth Committee.

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Speaker 1: There is no way that you lay out four very

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Speaker 1: this point that it is not in the best interest

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Speaker 1: And so my hope is that you know, the Department

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Speaker 1: the ball is in Merrick Garland's court, and Merrick Garland

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Speaker 1: don't need a law degree for that to sound like bribery.

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Speaker 1: And you don't bribe people, right if you're not guilty

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Speaker 1: my conversation the final year wrap up with our good doctor,

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Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzo. I cannot believe it is our last

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Speaker 1: it is It's really hard to believe how many years

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Speaker 1: I want to just start off by saying how grateful

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Speaker 1: What are your expectations for twenty twenty three? It is?

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Speaker 1: We really don't. And so I hope we come to

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Speaker 1: you know, we in our conversation ask a lot of

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Speaker 1: So I wish you, my friend, a very happy, healthy

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Speaker 1: New Year, and we'll see you in twenty twenty three. Wonderful, wonderful,

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Speaker 1: happy holiday, happy near everybody. That is it for me today,

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Speaker 1: dear friends, on woke a f as always power to

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Speaker 1: and stay woke. As fun,