Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 1: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a brid egg
Speaker 2: Friday Egg, Frida Egg, Friday, Friday Bride Egg, Lie, I'm
Speaker 2: about ready to run off of the course.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're back for another episode of the Friday
Speaker 1: Egg Podcast, and UH we are happy to welcome our
Speaker 1: esteemed guest this week, Josh Gregory. Josh went back to
Speaker 1: back national championships as the head coach at Augusta State
Speaker 1: and was also more recently the head coach at s
Speaker 1: MU before now UH venturing into the professional golf world,
Speaker 1: where he serves as a coach for players such as
Speaker 1: John Peterson, Kelly Kraft, Henrik Norlander, and some other Web
Speaker 1: guys like Carlos Ortiz. Josh, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me. I really really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I think it'd be great if you gave
Speaker 1: us a little bit of uh, you know, your your background,
Speaker 1: your story, how you got into golf, and you know
Speaker 1: your playing career and then how you got into coaching.
Speaker 2: I started at a young age. I started. I think
Speaker 2: I've got pictures of me when I was eighteen months
Speaker 2: old with my dad playing. And I was an only child,
Speaker 2: so I was spoiled rotten with love and grew up
Speaker 2: playing every sport you know, kind of know the man
Speaker 2: and and kind of stuff with golf and baseball. Uh
Speaker 2: you know, played h you know, just right around the
Speaker 2: cart with my dad and play play all the time.
Speaker 2: And the uh you know, we had a little we
Speaker 2: had a great course that I grew up in the Tennessee,
Speaker 2: a place called one Dyke Country Club, and uh they
Speaker 2: had thirty six holes and man an eighteen home par
Speaker 2: three course. So I could pretty much be dropped off
Speaker 2: and then spend all day out there. And that's how
Speaker 2: I spend every day in my summer. And uh it was.
Speaker 2: It was the best place in the world as a
Speaker 2: kid to grow up and play go off. And I
Speaker 2: went on to play uh college go off at SMU
Speaker 2: and Dallas, and then played under Hank Haney. Uh he
Speaker 2: was he was our college coach, and and learned learned,
Speaker 2: learned a learned a ton from him about how to
Speaker 2: play the game, learned a ton about work ethic. It's
Speaker 2: probably one of the hardest working, you know, working guys.
Speaker 2: I've I've ever seen in my entire life. And I
Speaker 2: learned a ton about the game, learned a ton about discipline,
Speaker 2: of course, management, UH, swinging, et cetera, et cetera from him,
Speaker 2: and UH tried to play a little bit perfectually after
Speaker 2: that for about two years, and UH quickly realized that
Speaker 2: I wasn't good enough. I didn't know. I didn't really
Speaker 2: know that the hooter shore and played on the weekend.
Speaker 2: I pretty much finished most of my events on Friday.
Speaker 2: So I had a lot of weekends off, which is
Speaker 2: not something good of the profession of the world. But
Speaker 2: you know, I physically I was probably I was. I
Speaker 2: was plenty good enough. I just didn't have the mindset.
Speaker 2: I didn't have the belief. I didn't have the selfishness,
Speaker 2: quite honestly, to be great. I wasn't about it the
Speaker 2: wrong way. I worked really hard.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of hours trying to perfect technique
Speaker 2: and perfect the golf swing and just doing things that
Speaker 2: weren't very productive or conducive to good play. And UH,
Speaker 2: so I learned a lot about coaching from all my mistakes.
Speaker 2: So I knew that I quit playing after two years,
Speaker 2: that coaching was the only thing I ever had in
Speaker 2: the back of my mind that that I wanted to do,
Speaker 2: and I thought I could be pretty good at it.
Speaker 2: Little did I know how hard it was to be
Speaker 2: a Kyle golf coach. I had no idea, uh the
Speaker 2: work that went on behind the scenes, the recruiting, the fundraising, paperwork,
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I just assumed you showed up a
Speaker 2: practice at one o'clock and tried to help you guys
Speaker 2: get better and and go from there. But uh, fortunately
Speaker 2: I got a great break. I was hired by coach
Speaker 2: Richard psyche Adency stayed as a Hall of famer who's
Speaker 2: retiring this year. The job was open and I interviewed
Speaker 2: and was lucky enough to get it. And I was
Speaker 2: the assistant men of women's golf coach at North Carolina State,
Speaker 2: working for both programs. That kind of started my career,
Speaker 2: and I was so indebted to them to give me
Speaker 2: a chance because had they not taken a chance on
Speaker 2: a twenty four year old and really didn't know what
Speaker 2: college what coaching was all about, I would have never
Speaker 2: had that college coaching career I had, and let alone
Speaker 2: being able to do what I'm doing now. But Coach
Speaker 2: Sikes taught me everything about how to treat people. He
Speaker 2: was the best at it. And he said, the best
Speaker 2: thing in the world is being called a coach. The
Speaker 2: best thing in the world is you know, fifteen twenty
Speaker 2: years down the road, one of your former players will
Speaker 2: pick up the phone and say, hey, coach, how you're doing.
Speaker 2: And I learned a lot from that mentality. You love
Speaker 2: your players first, You take care of him first. I'm
Speaker 2: not afraid to say have I'm trying to become their
Speaker 2: friend first before I became their coach. And whether that's
Speaker 2: right or wrong, that's how my personality works. And I
Speaker 2: think that's the way the best coaches are to get
Speaker 2: their respect as their friend and as their body before
Speaker 2: they can ever ever trust you with how to really
Speaker 2: make make the golf game better. And that was I
Speaker 2: learned that from him, and UH it's kind of been
Speaker 2: my philosophy throughout my coaching careers. Loved your guys first,
Speaker 2: coaching second, and UH that that's and everything else kind
Speaker 2: of falls as fall into place. That was kind of
Speaker 2: after my couple of years in n C State, I
Speaker 2: went to UH was fortunate to get hired at a
Speaker 2: state UH and he got us to Georgia and coached
Speaker 2: there for nine years, had had some had some really
Speaker 2: great players, really uh, really cool plays to coach one
Speaker 2: of the probably a few universities in the world that
Speaker 2: actually gets college golf and college golf actually actually means something.
Speaker 2: It was our It was that we were the only
Speaker 2: Division one sport at that school. It was the Vision
Speaker 2: two school competing and uh Division one. Then the women's golf,
Speaker 2: and we were fortunate enough to win back to back
Speaker 2: national championships in twenty ten in twenty eleven, and went
Speaker 2: on went on from there to back my mom a
Speaker 2: modern SMU and coached for three years and kind of
Speaker 2: rebuilt the program there and got it going. And then
Speaker 2: now I'm out on my own and trying to see
Speaker 2: if I can uh make a bigger difference in the
Speaker 2: game of golf coaching on a full time, you know,
Speaker 2: full full basis. Whether it's the best players in the
Speaker 2: world like Patrick Reid or John Peterson, Kellycraft, or whether
Speaker 2: it's a ten year old kid just trying to get better,
Speaker 2: it's still the same principals apply, and I'm very thankful
Speaker 2: to get to do what I do, uh every day.
Speaker 2: I've never really had a real job. I've gotten to
Speaker 2: coach every day, but because gotten to the golf course
Speaker 2: every day, and now I get to do that all
Speaker 2: day long. Yeah, and I'm very very thankful for it
Speaker 2: and trying to do it a little different way, and
Speaker 2: you know, just trying to coach and coach the way
Speaker 2: I would want to be coached. So so far it's
Speaker 2: going great, and I'm really lucky to work with a
Speaker 2: bunch of cool guys that buy in, and so far
Speaker 2: they're getting a lot better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh. I think, you know, from what I
Speaker 1: heard on when I heard you talk earlier and what
Speaker 1: interested me and bringing on, I I'd love to hear
Speaker 1: more about your approach and how it's a little bit
Speaker 1: different from you know, the traditional strict instruction approach and
Speaker 1: more of a coaching approach.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, I have the utmost respect for for
Speaker 2: pure instructors. And I've been around I've been fortunate enough
Speaker 2: to be around Butch Harmon. I've seen David Ledbart teach,
Speaker 2: I've seen Hank Kaney obviously has been around him a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm sticking Who's Here's a you know, top own instructor,
Speaker 2: very close a friend of mine. Brian White guys like that,
Speaker 2: and I think the world of as as great you know,
Speaker 2: great instructors and Brandy Smith people like that that I've
Speaker 2: been around, learned so much from them, But I wouldn't
Speaker 2: label myself, you know, as an instructor. I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: there is a teaching instruction component to any form of coaching,
Speaker 2: and and there is, you know, some some teaching instruction
Speaker 2: to what I do. Uh, But that's not that's not
Speaker 2: my first love. That's not my first fashion. My coaching
Speaker 2: and figuring out how to make guys better. And you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's that comes with understanding personality first, and that's
Speaker 2: where my job begins, coaching to through a relationship. You
Speaker 2: have to have a relationship with each player you coach,
Speaker 2: and you have to understand what drives them. You know,
Speaker 2: some kids need to kick the butt, some kids need
Speaker 2: to pad on the back, and you've got to figure
Speaker 2: out You've got to figure out that first. You've got
Speaker 2: to figure out what motivates them, what drives them. And
Speaker 2: that's how I always coached. In college. I didn't I
Speaker 2: didn't believe in college golf at the team sport. I
Speaker 2: think coaches you believe in as a team sport and
Speaker 2: listening to the boat because it's not. It's an individual sport.
Speaker 2: It just happens to be wrapped in a team format,
Speaker 2: and I coached individuals. I figured if I got the
Speaker 2: best out of out of each individual, each of my
Speaker 2: eight or nine kids on the team, then the team
Speaker 2: and then the team would take care of itself at
Speaker 2: the end of the day. Yes, you have to be
Speaker 2: a team off the course, and yes you you're the team.
Speaker 2: Chemistry is terribly important, but it really means nothing when
Speaker 2: you're in the golf course. You've got to take care
Speaker 2: of yourself. You got to be selfish, You've got to
Speaker 2: be an individual and do what's best for you. And
Speaker 2: that's kind of how I evolved my coaching theory of
Speaker 2: coach coaching each individual to the best best of my ability,
Speaker 2: and that means there's different plans, there's different honestly different
Speaker 2: rules for different kids as well. So carrying that over
Speaker 2: and into my kind of new jobs, as you know,
Speaker 2: being being a golf coach, a full time golf coach,
Speaker 2: not a college golf coach. I was really I was.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure quite honestly. I knew there was a
Speaker 2: need for coaching at junior level. I knew there was
Speaker 2: a need for pure coaching. At the collegiate level, I
Speaker 2: knew there was, but I wasn't so certain on the
Speaker 2: professional level. I thought it could work, I really did,
Speaker 2: but I wasn't certain. And I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 2: get a call from Patrick Reid about a year and
Speaker 2: a half org or so, and I coached him in college,
Speaker 2: and he called me and wanted me to help him
Speaker 2: out and work with him, and he had some great
Speaker 2: success last year. He went from twenty third in the
Speaker 2: world to seventh, and I think kind of twenty out
Speaker 2: of thirty two events worldwide finished in the top ten.
Speaker 2: So it really validated that that there was a need
Speaker 2: for coaching, and you know, we didn't there were probably
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of what what I did for him
Speaker 2: and what I do with my guys today is is
Speaker 2: practice plans. How to structure your practice, you know, spending
Speaker 2: equal times in all four phases of the game full swing, uh,
Speaker 2: business way, just chipping, chipping, pitching, bunker and then putting.
Speaker 2: And then in addition to that, not not spending all
Speaker 2: of your time and technique. You're doing a lot of
Speaker 2: competitive practice out of one ball work just essentially making
Speaker 2: making making practice fun, making it mean something.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You hear guys say all the time, how how hard
Speaker 2: they work. Well, coach working hard. I'm working hard, but
Speaker 2: I'm not getting you better. Well, clearly you're not working
Speaker 2: at it in the best way. You're not working at
Speaker 2: it in an effective way. So it's my job as
Speaker 2: a coach to to figure out what is the most
Speaker 2: effective way for that player. And every player has different plans,
Speaker 2: every player has different ways we go about it. But uh,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make it as simple as possible. You look,
Speaker 2: you look at the players strengths and weaknesses. Uh, whether
Speaker 2: I'm met with John Peters, and what does Kelly Kraft
Speaker 2: when we first started working. I mean, you look, you
Speaker 2: look at the strengths and weaknesses and and and you
Speaker 2: go from there and you analyze that this you know,
Speaker 2: and it amazed me that, you know, some of these
Speaker 2: guys on the PGA tour really didn't know where they
Speaker 2: where they ranked in comparison to their peers in some
Speaker 2: of the stats. And and that's my job. My job is,
Speaker 2: as I as I tell them, your job is to
Speaker 2: swing the club. My job is to provide the plan
Speaker 2: provide the pass provide the knowledge for you to to
Speaker 2: get better. And your job is to show up swing
Speaker 2: the club. And that's what I love doing. I love
Speaker 2: the structure of it. I love coaching, the teaching the
Speaker 2: short game. That's probably what it would be my strength
Speaker 2: at the teachers from one hundred and twenty yards and
Speaker 2: end really getting guys to practice in an effective way.
Speaker 2: But you know, I have different roles for every guy.
Speaker 2: Some guys I'm their swing coach as well. I understand, uh,
Speaker 2: the golf swing, I understand it. But my job is
Speaker 2: not to understand everything about Boston. That's not my love
Speaker 2: and my passion. My job is to understand the players
Speaker 2: that I coach, understand their golfswing and understand how to
Speaker 2: get the best out of their golfswing and understand Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, I have kind of a simple theory. It's,
Speaker 2: you know, we all get so wrapped up in technique
Speaker 2: and learning, you know, trying to fix you know, fix
Speaker 2: fix your shots by technique, technique technique, uh, And I
Speaker 2: kind of a little different approach. I try to get
Speaker 2: guys to hit shots to fix technique. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're hitting, if you're hitting, you know, if you're if
Speaker 2: you're overlooking the golf ball or hitting hitting high drawls
Speaker 2: or whatever. The opposite of that would be a low fake.
Speaker 2: So always trying to find the happy medium and learning
Speaker 2: to fix techniques by hitting shots. And I think it's
Speaker 2: a very simplistic way of looking at it. Uh. You know,
Speaker 2: so far it's working pretty good for the guys. But again,
Speaker 2: it starts with the relationship. It starts with that trust factor, uh,
Speaker 2: and being all and knowing that you know these you
Speaker 2: know the guys. You love your guys, and they know
Speaker 2: you love them, and you're doing everything you can't possible
Speaker 2: to help them get better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. It's uh, you know, you coach individuals,
Speaker 1: but your job is to work as a team with
Speaker 1: your guys. So I'm kind of curious how with different
Speaker 1: players you adapt, and more specifically different personalities you adapt
Speaker 1: your plans and how you structure of practice.
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at the two guys I'm working
Speaker 2: with most exclusively right now, and Kelly Krapton and John Peterson,
Speaker 2: I mean they're they're they're polar opposite personalities. I mean,
Speaker 2: John Peterson is very high strung. Uh, he can be
Speaker 2: a little a little uh, hot on the collar on
Speaker 2: the golf courts, his attitude sometimes get get in the way.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: So I know with him that I have to be
Speaker 2: pretty hard on uh. There there's times when the I've
Speaker 2: caddy for him a couple of times and when we're
Speaker 2: working together. He he told me from day one, you
Speaker 2: need to be hard on me, otherwise this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And that's not necessarily my strength. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: enjoy being the back guy. I don't. I don't like that.
Speaker 2: That's definitely my weakness. But I know with him that
Speaker 2: if I don't, if I'm not that way with him,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get the most out of him. And
Speaker 2: you have to be hard on him. You have to,
Speaker 2: you know, get into face with an attitudes, act acting, acting,
Speaker 2: acting poorly. But you also have to build him up
Speaker 2: when he when he's doing the right things. Uh. You know, Kelly,
Speaker 2: for an example, is a much more laid back personality,
Speaker 2: extremely talented, uh, extremely aggressive and how he goes about
Speaker 2: playing the game. And I've had to you know, but
Speaker 2: he didn't have a real good a real good plan,
Speaker 2: a really good understanding of what he really needed to
Speaker 2: do to work on Uh, he has always had a
Speaker 2: great bloss swing. He does some great work with with
Speaker 2: his with his swing coach, Troy Ditton. And that's what's
Speaker 2: great about.
Speaker 1: What I do.
Speaker 2: I can you know, I have no no ego in
Speaker 2: this deal. Is that does that it means involving a
Speaker 2: swing coach, another coach that is, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: here to make the player better and I'm lucky with
Speaker 2: with Kelly that we have. I have a great release
Speaker 2: relationship with Troy Ditton and that he he knows. Quantoski
Speaker 2: is one of the few coaches that that has is
Speaker 2: humble enough to understand that, hey, we're all in this
Speaker 2: to help Kelly get better. And if that means he's
Speaker 2: doing his part and I'm doing my part, then and
Speaker 2: Kelly gets better, then it's a women's situation. There's there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of coaches that would kind of check
Speaker 2: their ego at the door and allow that to happen,
Speaker 2: you know, and they want to have everybody kind of
Speaker 2: wants to have controlled everything. It's not my deal. I'm
Speaker 2: all in it to help help the player get better,
Speaker 2: whether that's me doing it the leader, whether that's involving
Speaker 2: somebody else in the team after it as well. But
Speaker 2: you know, more specifically with with Kelly, I mean he
Speaker 2: needs he needed structure, He needed a lot of short
Speaker 2: game help. He was you know his stats where he
Speaker 2: was out bid the top one fifty in almost every
Speaker 2: short game CATE category, and uh, he's slowly improve into
Speaker 2: that and you can see see the results are starting
Speaker 2: to click and finishing twenty twenty first, twenty eighth, twenty seventh,
Speaker 2: and second in his last last four out of five efense. So, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, he need a structure. He needed to be
Speaker 2: told how how good he was. Both he and Gone
Speaker 2: are very similar personalities and that they are not afraid.
Speaker 2: They both have the belief that they can be one
Speaker 2: of the best in the world. But but candidly, they
Speaker 2: just didn't have the full game to match up with
Speaker 2: that belief. And now hopefully in helping them develop a
Speaker 2: full game to where there is no weakness in their
Speaker 2: game that can match up with that belief. So when
Speaker 2: they when they're in the Sunday late accident periods, they're
Speaker 2: not going to be afraid. And I think that's showing that.
Speaker 2: You know, John's has had the fifteenth and twelfth this
Speaker 2: year and was in the last group at Phoenix, which
Speaker 2: is a big step for him, and Kelly finished second
Speaker 2: last week was a big step for him as well
Speaker 2: to kind of validate the work that we've been doing.
Speaker 2: But more importantly, you know, get that confidence that you
Speaker 2: need to feel like, hey, I belong with the best
Speaker 2: of the world.
Speaker 1: So with your guys, they're mostly you know, you know
Speaker 1: under thirty, you've got a stable of web guys and
Speaker 1: you've got nor Lander craft Reed who's obviously a world
Speaker 1: class web player. Peterson, would you say that inside one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty yards is where the biggest kind of
Speaker 1: difference between the college and pro game is or how
Speaker 1: how would you compare the two.
Speaker 2: I think there's shoot, there's two things that that are
Speaker 2: the difference. I think clear clearly, I would say probably
Speaker 2: three things to be safe there. They're misses off the team.
Speaker 2: Guys on tour you know, very rarely hit it in
Speaker 2: the job, they very rarely hit penalty shots. Guys at
Speaker 2: college golf, you know, they they they're they're missed. It
Speaker 2: was a little bit greater players on tour miss it
Speaker 2: much and much better spots. Uh, there's no doubt there
Speaker 2: wi the wedge play from one hundred and twenty yards
Speaker 2: and end is so much better at the PGA Tour
Speaker 2: level than the collegiate level. And then I think the
Speaker 2: final difference if you if you look at if you
Speaker 2: look at that the best putters in the world are
Speaker 2: really good from six to twelve feet almost almost, whether
Speaker 2: it's Brad Sedeger, whether it's Patrick Greed, whether it's Jordan's Speed,
Speaker 2: whether it's Jason Day last year and maybe the best
Speaker 2: putting year of all time. Uh, they're really good from
Speaker 2: six and twelve feet. They don't three button, they make
Speaker 2: and they make their six to twelve footers. That is
Speaker 2: that is the biggest difference that you know, everybody on
Speaker 2: tour pretty much makes it. You know from thirty four
Speaker 2: and five feet and from fifteen to twenty feet you
Speaker 2: know they're making percentages are pretty similar. But from six
Speaker 2: to twelve feet is where you really see, Uh, the
Speaker 2: brand Senators, the Jordan's piece, those guys of the world,
Speaker 2: Patrick Greed, the world really separate themselves from the rest.
Speaker 2: So you know, a lot of the practice, the practic
Speaker 2: is in the games I do. You know, our are
Speaker 2: based on PGA Tour stats and based on the player
Speaker 2: strengths and weaknesses, and we combine those and develop a
Speaker 2: lot of games and competitions to try to simulate what
Speaker 2: they're going to do out on tour. And I think
Speaker 2: that's where the guys really enjoy themselves. I mean, that's,
Speaker 2: let's face it. You don't practice to practice, you practice
Speaker 2: to be able to And I'm trying to make practice
Speaker 2: very competitive, to make it very intense. You know, you
Speaker 2: know we're gonna be out there for three hours. Let's
Speaker 2: really get after it. Let's make it intense. Let's make it.
Speaker 2: You know, when you leave, I want you to be
Speaker 2: mentally tired. I want you to be physically tired. I
Speaker 2: want you to be mentally exhausted and say, hey, we
Speaker 2: got something out of today. You know, here are our goals.
Speaker 2: Here was what we accomplished. Here, Here was the stats
Speaker 2: in our games. Here was our wedge proximities as a wholes.
Speaker 2: Here's how many parts we made from from six to
Speaker 2: twelve seats. You know, all those things. Let's keep track
Speaker 2: of it, keep a drummer of it. Do things that
Speaker 2: are really you know, tracking your progress so we're not
Speaker 2: just out there putting in the hours. Because everybody works hard.
Speaker 2: Everybody on the PGA tour works hard. There's nobody that's
Speaker 2: out there just to put the talent alone. But instead
Speaker 2: of working hard, let's work effectively. And that's how my
Speaker 2: kind of word I use a lot. My guys probably
Speaker 2: get tired of hearing me say that. But let's let's
Speaker 2: work effectively. I don't care how hard you work, but
Speaker 2: let's let's work effectively.
Speaker 1: What what are some of your kind of favorite drills
Speaker 1: that you guys do and you know, do you do?
Speaker 2: You? You know? Do it?
Speaker 1: Do you usually have a group of guys out there
Speaker 1: practicing for these sessions or you know, what do you
Speaker 1: do if you're working alone with a guy? Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, it's again, it's all it's all related to
Speaker 2: what's going on in their game. I mean, there's still
Speaker 2: there's still several things that are kind of across the
Speaker 2: board that we do. I mean, you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: we do a lot. We do a lot, you know,
Speaker 2: for example, on putting, we're doing a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of putty drills, a lot of
Speaker 2: speed drills, you know, with five balls and putting from
Speaker 2: maybe starting to ten feet twenty feet, thirty feet, forty feet,
Speaker 2: fifty feet and always doing something different, randomizing the practice,
Speaker 2: making sure that uh you know, the only time you
Speaker 2: should ever be hitting the same pot twice candidly is
Speaker 2: if you're doing doing any form of technical work other
Speaker 2: than that every pot ship led, full swing, whatever it
Speaker 2: may be, every shot should be, should be different, because
Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna get on the golf course. Do
Speaker 2: a lot of speed work with five dolls from different distances,
Speaker 2: Do a lot of uh you know, one of my
Speaker 2: one of my favorite games that we do is you
Speaker 2: simply do fifty puts. You do fifty puts from three
Speaker 2: to twelve feet. You do five pots for meat station,
Speaker 2: five spots around the hole, and see how many maysan
Speaker 2: PGA two or ever says you should make thirty two
Speaker 2: out of fifty, uh from from from those fifty pots,
Speaker 2: and and just trying to do that to where it's
Speaker 2: simulating pressure. I mean, you're you know, you start missing,
Speaker 2: if you get a little nervous, you get a little frustrated,
Speaker 2: You got you gotta fight and through it. You kind
Speaker 2: of try to kind of stick it out. So just
Speaker 2: you know, it's what I'm trying to do with these guys,
Speaker 2: and what I'm trying to coach them to do to
Speaker 2: get and do it when they're on their own. The
Speaker 2: best players in the world do the same things every game.
Speaker 2: And the best, whether it's in business, whether golf. You know,
Speaker 2: you write things down, you hold yourself accountable. You do
Speaker 2: the same things over and over. I mean, I can't
Speaker 2: you know. You always hear the stories about how many
Speaker 2: golf balls Bja Seeing had during his prime. He was
Speaker 2: one of the best bass strikers on tour. Well, he
Speaker 2: did the same drills day in and day out. He
Speaker 2: had alignment ride behind, and he had a glove under
Speaker 2: his left arm. He had a water bottle just for
Speaker 2: the rider of the golf boss. So he made sure
Speaker 2: the club was exited on the proper on the proper plane. Well,
Speaker 2: that's why he became a great bass riker. It wasn't
Speaker 2: because he was always searching for any things to get
Speaker 2: the same things over and over. And that's what you know,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do with these guys in their practice
Speaker 2: habits and in there the way they're you know, whether
Speaker 2: it's the way they're swinging the club was or what
Speaker 2: we're doing in our in our chipping, pitching, wedging, probating technique,
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. We're doing the same things over
Speaker 2: and over and over again with small variations to still
Speaker 2: keep it fun, still keep it fresh. But the best
Speaker 2: do the same things day, day in and day out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I mean it's like anything what I did.
Speaker 2: I was constantly searching for, searching for, going around in circles,
Speaker 2: and I think without the right guidance, I think that's
Speaker 2: where the coaching, the coaching element is really is seeing
Speaker 2: some success and seeing that it's needed out there. Uh.
Speaker 2: And sometimes, honestly, as a coach or as an instructor,
Speaker 2: you have to learn to shut up as well. You
Speaker 2: have to learn to be quiet and just just let
Speaker 2: your guy go, because I think too many times as
Speaker 2: coaches and instructors were torn and always wanted to feel
Speaker 2: like we're saying something or changing something. And you've got
Speaker 2: to have enough confidence of what you're doing and what
Speaker 2: the process of what you're doing, and sometimes you just
Speaker 2: gotta be quiet that if things are good, hey, let's
Speaker 2: just go with it, let's play a roll. So I
Speaker 2: told Kelly Craft earlier today, clearly clearly what but what
Speaker 2: he's doing is work. So this is the time. This
Speaker 2: in the time to make changees and search for ways
Speaker 2: to win. This is this is the time to just
Speaker 2: keep doing exactly what we're doing. Monsitor chaing what what's
Speaker 2: going on? And you know what, you're gonna put himself
Speaker 2: in in that position enough times and hopefully hopefully those
Speaker 2: went went black. It's but it's not the chant time
Speaker 2: to to search for for how to get better because
Speaker 2: clearless work work with John Peterson earlier today, you know,
Speaker 2: we had a great three hour short game session and
Speaker 2: we literally did the same same girls, same same same
Speaker 2: games that we do almost every time when we when
Speaker 2: we practice, and even do the same things on the road.
Speaker 2: And uh, I think that's we're also trying to get
Speaker 2: players to understand that you you practice at home, you
Speaker 2: prepare on the road, and then there's a big difference.
Speaker 2: There's a big difference to that. And then that's that's
Speaker 2: where I think too many guys have been too much
Speaker 2: time practicing on the road in searching for things. And
Speaker 2: suppose that's the time to prepare for the golf course
Speaker 2: or on the golf course, stick to the drill, stick
Speaker 2: to the games that that work for you and go
Speaker 2: from there.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. You know, I write a lot about golf
Speaker 1: courses and architecture, and I'm kind of curious how you
Speaker 1: guys go about, you know, kind of breaking down a
Speaker 1: golf course and developing a strategy for specific holes.
Speaker 2: Good question. Again, it's been on the player.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: John Peterson is a phenomenal driver ball is one of
Speaker 2: the better drivers drivers the ball Tour. So he's gonna
Speaker 2: driver almost at every hole because because that that that's
Speaker 2: his strength.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, something that I've worked with with Kelly on
Speaker 2: pretty hard is understanding, Uh, he's a very aggressive player,
Speaker 2: but he sometimes too is too aggressive with the wrong clubs. Uh,
Speaker 2: learning learning that you know from it from one hundred
Speaker 2: and one hundred and twenty yards and n or one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty yards and then we've got to get
Speaker 2: so good with all four of his ledges that there's
Speaker 2: not a flag that he can't go at that if
Speaker 2: you want to shoot those scores, we've got to hit
Speaker 2: those closes and understanding what you know, getting so good
Speaker 2: from all those yards with all with all four of
Speaker 2: his wedges, that he's choosing choosing the club based on
Speaker 2: what that shot calls for, not what club, but he
Speaker 2: feels the most comfortable hitting and there's a big difference
Speaker 2: in that, and so that's that's where, uh, the strategy
Speaker 2: comes in. And also understanding that with a six iron
Speaker 2: from two hundred yards, you know, average proximity the hole
Speaker 2: is about thirty to thirty from their four feet on
Speaker 2: the VGA Tour, that hitting the six iron to thirty
Speaker 2: feet is okay, and it's okay to hit it to
Speaker 2: the fat side of the green, and it's okay just
Speaker 2: to make a nice easy far from there. And that's
Speaker 2: something that he was kind of super aggressive in his game,
Speaker 2: going at too many flags with six irons and quite
Speaker 2: honestly not being aggressive enough with his ledges or not
Speaker 2: having enough shots with ledges to truly to truly get
Speaker 2: as proximity the whole closer so we can have more
Speaker 2: chances at Bertie's also now he's you know, both of
Speaker 2: those guys are developing more and more short game, better
Speaker 2: and better short game skills so they can go at
Speaker 2: more flags. Patrick Greed, as good as his short game is,
Speaker 2: he can go at every flag you want to, because
Speaker 2: the short game is this game is so sound, it's
Speaker 2: so solid that there's not a flag he's not afraid of.
Speaker 2: But until you get that point to where your short
Speaker 2: game is sound enough, you've got to play little more
Speaker 2: concernis you've got to play at your strings and not
Speaker 2: put yourself in positions that you don't have the shots
Speaker 2: to recover from. So again, cater to each guy's game,
Speaker 2: cater to each guy's uh.
Speaker 1: You know ability, Yeah, I think you know.
Speaker 2: At that level, overall goals, overall goal is getting to
Speaker 2: where there is not a weakness in those four physical areas.
Speaker 2: Is a game full swing, wedging, hippy, pitching, bunker and
Speaker 2: putting that there really isn't a weakness if they're sound
Speaker 2: in all areas, so they're not really happen to having
Speaker 2: to play away from continuing in those areas. But if
Speaker 2: one area is struggling the other, the others can can
Speaker 2: take care of the rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine inside one hundred and twenty yards for
Speaker 1: these guys that you can't have a bad number and
Speaker 1: you can't have a shot, you can't hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know you always hear, well, I have
Speaker 2: the bad numbers between their numbers whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: And there are certain numbers of guys don't like. But uh,
Speaker 2: that's why you work on your wedges from all those
Speaker 2: different yardages with all three or four of your wedges.
Speaker 2: So you know, like last week of double the greens
Speaker 2: were so soft, their float from front to back and
Speaker 2: a lot of back flags. If you didn't have the
Speaker 2: ability to flight in the golf ball and just kind
Speaker 2: of have it, you know, floating a little bit, you're
Speaker 2: going to be ripping it back off the front of
Speaker 2: other green. So learning to again, learning to choose the
Speaker 2: club based on what the shot requires as opposed to
Speaker 2: just using the club on which one he feel most
Speaker 2: comfortable with. And that's that's kind of the essential goal there.
Speaker 2: From from and then learning around the greens, learning to
Speaker 2: chip and pitch with different clubs as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: there was a couple of cool stories, you know, a
Speaker 2: couple of cool chances this weekend when when Kelly had
Speaker 2: long bunker shots and we've been working on learning to
Speaker 2: hit fifty twos and fifty six is out of different lies,
Speaker 2: different type types of bunkers, different types of sand, and
Speaker 2: he was able to execute those shots this weekend when
Speaker 2: before he would have probably just chosen to sixty three
Speaker 2: wedge and hit it to maybe fifteen twenty feet and
Speaker 2: not been able to get up and down and you
Speaker 2: know John Peters the previous week and Phoenix when I
Speaker 2: was chatting for him, he had had a pitch shot
Speaker 2: in the seventeenth hole and kind of a dicey pitcho
Speaker 2: and kipped it up there at about eight inches And
Speaker 2: all they said was, coach, all I can think about
Speaker 2: is how many times I've hit this a practice this week?
Speaker 2: And that's you know, that's what you coach for those
Speaker 2: those moments are pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that had to be awesome with it going on
Speaker 1: the bag as a coach, you know, how how do
Speaker 1: you have to kind of change your approach as as
Speaker 1: the caddy and you know, being the looper and you know,
Speaker 1: as you said earlier, I imagine a lot of times
Speaker 1: it's it's about kind of shutting up and carrying the bag.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, it is. I mean it's I have the
Speaker 2: utmost respect for caddies after doing them, Gosh, I always do,
Speaker 2: but I mean more so down it's hard work. It's
Speaker 2: hard we work to just stay up. Those guys walk fast,
Speaker 2: especially when you're writing buckers and two and whatever. It's tough.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you do have to flip your role a
Speaker 2: little bit. You have to kind of uh but still
Speaker 2: I think the best coach, the best caddies in the
Speaker 2: world would be awesome coaches. I really do, and and
Speaker 2: and the same same thing. You know. That way, the
Speaker 2: best coach in the world would also be offesome caddies
Speaker 2: because it's a very similar job. Uh, you forget it,
Speaker 2: it's very similar. So you have to you have to
Speaker 2: know when to say something. You have to know when
Speaker 2: to let your player event Uh. You have to also
Speaker 2: know when to tell them, Hey, it's time to go
Speaker 2: play off, shut up and let's go.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think that's the key part of being being being
Speaker 2: a good caddy, a good coach. And I think you know,
Speaker 2: you also have to know when to give, when when
Speaker 2: too much, when, when when to give information and when
Speaker 2: not to give information.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, when when a player has got a green
Speaker 2: light flag and from one hundred and forty five yards
Speaker 2: it's a perfect wedge, there's not really not a whole
Speaker 2: lot that needs to be said. But when it's two
Speaker 2: hundred yards to a tuck flag with water on the
Speaker 2: right and the ridge of the left or whatever it
Speaker 2: may be, that's what hey, you gotta be You gotta
Speaker 2: be confident off in your delivery to say Hey, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: this is this is a six iron twenty five feet
Speaker 2: left right there, and we're gonna We're gonna too fought
Speaker 2: into the ball. So I think it's it's a it's
Speaker 2: a hard deal. I'm learning learning to be a better
Speaker 2: caddy when needed, but uh, it's fun. I think as
Speaker 2: a coach you learn so much more being inside the
Speaker 2: ropes and being there and understand what they're what your
Speaker 2: players think, and what they're going through, and you're able
Speaker 2: to coach them way more effectively after you have that experience.
Speaker 2: And that's why as a coach when I'm on the road,
Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time there Washington Play. I'll
Speaker 2: never go to a tournament and leave on a Wednesday
Speaker 2: and just unless I just have to. But I'm a
Speaker 2: big believer in watching guys play, whether it's all weekend
Speaker 2: or whether it's maybe just s Thurshing Friday, because that's
Speaker 2: what I learned the most. You're gonna you get what
Speaker 2: you see on the range, what you see in practice round.
Speaker 2: A lot of times it's a lot different than what
Speaker 2: you see in the competition. At the end of the day,
Speaker 2: my job is to help the shoot the best score
Speaker 2: they possibly can. So if I'm not watching them in
Speaker 2: competition and not learning helping them learn how to manage
Speaker 2: the courts better learn, you know, evaluate what they're doing
Speaker 2: right and wrong. But honestly, I'm not doing my job.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm hired to do is to help to
Speaker 2: help the shoot the lowest coore possible. So, uh, I
Speaker 2: think it's extremely important as coaches and structures whatever it
Speaker 2: may be, uh to stick around and watch your guys compete.
Speaker 1: So you got to let us say, did you make
Speaker 1: any you know, hack caddy moves like you know, did
Speaker 1: you did you get any bad looks?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, fortune of the caddies I've been with so
Speaker 2: far have all been cool, and I've explained to them
Speaker 2: on the first team, Look, I don't do this full time.
Speaker 2: I love doing I'm gonna do my best and I'll
Speaker 2: try not to screw up, and I'm probably gonna uh
Speaker 2: stand in the wrong place. I'm probably gonna forget to
Speaker 2: rake their bocker when it's when it's my turn to
Speaker 2: rake their bunker or whatever it may be. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I dropped the bag once, fortunately one in somebody's backs thing.
Speaker 2: I've definitely dropped out with the cover that that's that's
Speaker 2: normal for me. Usually have a set over under how
Speaker 2: many I'm gonna drop in to day? I didn't race,
Speaker 2: I didn't you know when the confusing part is sometimes
Speaker 2: when you're supposed to rap rap the other player's bucker
Speaker 2: or not. Obviously understand I gotta rape mind, but when
Speaker 2: you gotta rak somebody else's buker. I've messed that one
Speaker 2: up a couple of times as well. But fortunately no
Speaker 2: no major mistakes that have cost anybody any shots or
Speaker 2: any dirty, dirty looks this yet. And I just try
Speaker 2: to try to do the best I can. But the
Speaker 2: caddies out there are cool. So they're they're they're fun
Speaker 2: to hang out with and they're fun. But you learn
Speaker 2: a lot, You learn a lot about they're good about showing,
Speaker 2: the showing the rookies, Uh what what the heck to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's h They're like a brethren out there. It's uh,
Speaker 1: I'm curious with it being Riviera Week and you know
Speaker 1: the tenth hole. Just yeah, it's a divisive little part.
Speaker 1: For how do you have guys like Kelly Craft? How
Speaker 1: how's the strategy different for Patrick Reid compared to Kelly Craft?
Speaker 1: Or is it the same.
Speaker 2: I think it depends on the whole location. For one,
Speaker 2: I think it seems to be an Honestly, I've never
Speaker 2: been to Riviera. I'm just obviously watching on TV, and
Speaker 2: it's it seems to be you know, the base on
Speaker 2: the flag, whether whether or not you could go forward
Speaker 2: or not. But then again it also is is is
Speaker 2: catered to a players play a player style. I mean
Speaker 2: it's it'd be it'd be hard to take the driver
Speaker 2: out of a certain players. Players see if that's there,
Speaker 2: if that's their best club, they're bagging to have the
Speaker 2: ReBs of nature. But if also if you've got to
Speaker 2: you've got a player such as Zach Johnson or somebody
Speaker 2: who's whose incredible, incredible within your wedges, and that's the
Speaker 2: strength of the game. It's like when he won the Masters,
Speaker 2: he laid up on all on all sixteen par fives
Speaker 2: for the week at one and I'm sure there were
Speaker 2: numerous times when he hit a fixed of green but
Speaker 2: knew that was strict. It's it's something that you have
Speaker 2: a prime example of a couple of weeks ago, Caddy
Speaker 2: for john we were he had two hundred and forty
Speaker 2: two yards to the fifteenth hole, at Phoenix the par
Speaker 2: five the kind of the island green, which is sounds
Speaker 2: like an absolute no brainer to go for it, because
Speaker 2: it's a pretty big green. You've got more persson around there,
Speaker 2: and as good as he hits it, he's going to
Speaker 2: hit it on land, you know, nine out of ten times.
Speaker 2: But honestly he did. He didn't have a club forard.
Speaker 2: He carries his foreign about two o eight two ten
Speaker 2: and if you missed the groove loaw, it's going to
Speaker 2: be in the water short. But he carries his five
Speaker 2: with about two forty and the greens the greens were firm,
Speaker 2: and so if he hits that probably goes a long
Speaker 2: which is going to be almost an impossible pitch. And
Speaker 2: so we didn't have a club for it, and talked
Speaker 2: him in to lay it up because now he has
Speaker 2: a good enough edge game. Before he wouldn't have had
Speaker 2: a good enough wedge game. It's still confident up that
Speaker 2: he could get it up and down, and so we
Speaker 2: laid up with a bussy wedge and then he hit
Speaker 2: a same wedge to sixty seven feet and made the
Speaker 2: pub for Birdy and and make berdie the kind of
Speaker 2: a different way than he would have ever done it before.
Speaker 2: So again it's playing for your strengths. I think you
Speaker 2: gotta again you evaluate each player and what's good for them.
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, and and then also looking at the
Speaker 2: whole location. Where's your miss where where it gives you
Speaker 2: the best chance to get up and down? Is this
Speaker 2: a better wedge flag or is this as a green
Speaker 2: light flag that if we can miss anywhere up you know,
Speaker 2: up around the green, we could still give it up
Speaker 2: and down. And then obviously you go overall by nature,
Speaker 2: I would say, I'm very aggressive as a coach. And
Speaker 2: and and that's why I was in college. I wanted
Speaker 2: to let my players play. I wanted to let them
Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes you have to make mistakes. Sometimes you have
Speaker 2: to make you have to even fail to to learn.
Speaker 2: But you but you better go down slinging. I mean,
Speaker 2: these scores are getting lower and lower, and courtant that
Speaker 2: can build these courses as big and as long as
Speaker 2: they want to. But it's not checking the scores at Also,
Speaker 2: you better be pretty aggressive, pretty aggressive in nature and
Speaker 2: trying to make Berdi's if you're gonna win out there.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But still it's it's an overall philosophy. And they sound contradictory,
Speaker 2: but it's not. I mean, it's still you know, very
Speaker 2: very boring golf. And you're gonna make Kelly played last
Speaker 2: week shut fifteen under and make only five vogues all week,
Speaker 2: which is which is pretty good in some of those conditions.
Speaker 2: It's just a very boring, simplistic way of trying to
Speaker 2: trying to map out the golf course and trying to
Speaker 2: make golf as streuss as stress free as it possibly can.
Speaker 2: And that goes back to your practice. That goes back
Speaker 2: to your practice and being prepared in all areas of
Speaker 2: your game. So there really isn't is the leaks.
Speaker 1: So something you alluded to with John and in the
Speaker 1: gap with like you know, four iron to five wood,
Speaker 1: I feel like with the you know, fourteen club limit,
Speaker 1: you're going to have either you know, it seems to
Speaker 1: be you either have less wedges and more long clubs
Speaker 1: and you don't have that gap in the long clubs,
Speaker 1: or you have more wedges and you deal with a
Speaker 1: gap like John has. Like I'm I'm perfect example, I
Speaker 1: have the I have a three iron and then a
Speaker 1: three would and I just have this gap there. How
Speaker 1: do you kind of coach that? What what's your overall philosophy.
Speaker 2: Again, it's individualized. I love I love the four wedge
Speaker 2: system because I think the majority of it you're gonna hit.
Speaker 2: You're gonna hit way more shots that are in around
Speaker 2: and around the ball. From one hundred and one hundred
Speaker 2: and we'll say, from you know, around the greens to
Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred and thirty yards, then you're gonna
Speaker 2: hit from two hundred and ten to two hundred and
Speaker 2: forty yards. From two hundred and ten to two hundred
Speaker 2: and forty yards, you may only hit three to four
Speaker 2: shots and around the golf, uh that are here from
Speaker 2: that distance. So I think you can get away with
Speaker 2: halfing a little bit of a gap there because it's
Speaker 2: not needed as much. But you might hit. You might
Speaker 2: hit ten to twelve shots, if not more. Uh, from chipping, pitching, chipping, pitching,
Speaker 2: bunker to that fifty to one hundred and twenty yards
Speaker 2: kind of distance, wedge distance, wedge around, distance from wedges
Speaker 2: and around. Sorry I can't talk and around the golf.
Speaker 2: So to stat say, you know, you should have as
Speaker 2: many clubs uh from that from that yard is as
Speaker 2: possible as opposed to having so many clubs at the
Speaker 2: top of your bag that are from two hundred and
Speaker 2: two forty. Now, again that's all structured upon a player. Uh,
Speaker 2: you got a guy that doesn't hit it, that doesn't
Speaker 2: hit it really far, that's not gonna have as many pledges,
Speaker 2: then he might need a couple of extra clubs at
Speaker 2: the top. Obviously having it, you know, for example, in
Speaker 2: John's gap, having a gap from two ten to two
Speaker 2: forty is a little bit too much. I wish we
Speaker 2: could find a way to to probably straight you know,
Speaker 2: either maybe put it in a three iron or strengthen
Speaker 2: his four iron a little bit. But he loves the
Speaker 2: four and so much that it's it's a great club
Speaker 2: for him, and he's very good with that. He needs
Speaker 2: it on a lot of there's a lot of two
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifteen yard par threes on tour, so
Speaker 2: at the club that he really needs. But that gap
Speaker 2: is not great. But at the same time, I would
Speaker 2: rather have the clubs at the bottom, at the bottom
Speaker 2: of the bag. So we're really really condoling our wish.
Speaker 2: So from two hundred to two hundred and ten yards,
Speaker 2: if you make far on the whole, you've done a
Speaker 2: great job. But from one hundred and twenty yards, you
Speaker 2: better be averaging underbar.
Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it. I think there
Speaker 1: are so many that's one of my complaints with modern
Speaker 1: golf courses, just too many high There are two hundred
Speaker 1: and two and twenty a par three.
Speaker 2: Is so and I think that's the point of really
Speaker 2: getting guys to understand their stats. And that's when I
Speaker 2: when I sit down with them, that's one of my
Speaker 2: responsibilities is keeping up with their stats and keeping up
Speaker 2: with what's going well, what's not going what's not going well,
Speaker 2: so we can change the practice plans, so we can
Speaker 2: change how we how we're doing things, how we're working
Speaker 2: on things. So it's it's it's constantly, it's constantly evolving
Speaker 2: on what's going well, with what's not not going well,
Speaker 2: and understanding getting them to understand that again, thirty and
Speaker 2: thirty thirty five feet from two hundred yards is okay.
Speaker 2: Twenty five feet from under twenty yards is not okay.
Speaker 2: But so it's uh, it's really it's been a really
Speaker 2: neat experience is to see, uh, you know, I love numbers.
Speaker 2: I'm a stat's guy. I love numbers, and I think
Speaker 2: it's a large part of our game. I wish I
Speaker 2: would have done more of this when I what I
Speaker 2: tried to play and if I could have, you know,
Speaker 2: wish somebody when I was twenty twenty two, twenty three
Speaker 2: years of age where grabbed me by the collar and
Speaker 2: and and and showed me how to practice in a
Speaker 2: more a more effective wayer and in a better way
Speaker 2: than how I went about it.
Speaker 1: So somebody, you know, without all of the stats like
Speaker 1: of a PGA Tour pro like, how do you approach
Speaker 1: it with like your web dot com guys that don't
Speaker 1: have as detailed and uh you know, advanced statistics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no fun for me as a coach because
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour does a does a really nice job
Speaker 2: of keep its stats and makes my job a lot easier.
Speaker 2: But with the guys that I work with on the
Speaker 2: web dot com tour, I mean a lot of it
Speaker 2: is is is asking them to keep to keep them
Speaker 2: on their own, you know, the ones that I think
Speaker 2: are important, the ones that really helped me. Uh structure,
Speaker 2: you know, structure there there there practice and knowing what
Speaker 2: we really need to work on and knowing if we
Speaker 2: need to spend more time and technique or more time
Speaker 2: in the field based practice for whatever it may be,
Speaker 2: so ask them to do it on their own. And
Speaker 2: also just constant communication. I mean, I'm a coach that
Speaker 2: I speak to my guys regularly, whether it's my text
Speaker 2: and it's my phone, uh, you know, my phone never
Speaker 2: never stops ringing, never stops texting, which is I guess
Speaker 2: it could the bad thing. I'm kind of an addicted
Speaker 2: to my job and addicted to uh to trying to
Speaker 2: help guys get better. But I think the communication, just
Speaker 2: having them, you know, honestly communicate what's really going on
Speaker 2: in their game does because staff don't lie, never don't lie.
Speaker 2: You can't hide behind them when I know when whether
Speaker 2: it's been meetium with with with John or Kelly and
Speaker 2: shows him, hey, you're you're not ranked the top one
Speaker 2: fifty in any short game category well before this year,
Speaker 2: you know, what do you do? We gotta work with
Speaker 2: this and it's uh, but it's cool to see the
Speaker 2: results play off. It's cool to see John Peterson this
Speaker 2: year ranked fourth and totally you know, granted it's only
Speaker 2: been seven it's only played in seven events, but he's
Speaker 2: fourth with total scrambling on tour, which it shows as
Speaker 2: Mark is paying off Kelly. The last few weeks, it's
Speaker 2: been above seventy five percent crammed in each of his
Speaker 2: weeks that he's had success, so U it shows, it
Speaker 2: shows that it's playing off. But yeah, I sure wish
Speaker 2: the web dot Com Tour with five the way just
Speaker 2: to keep better to keep better stats. But I understand
Speaker 2: what the uh the band power and the lack of
Speaker 2: volunteers that it's hard to do. But just just getting
Speaker 2: my guys to give me the information that I need
Speaker 2: from them, and I don't expect them, uh honestly, I
Speaker 2: don't expect them to come up with the plans. Again,
Speaker 2: their job is between the club, provide me with the information,
Speaker 2: and it's my job to set up, set up everything
Speaker 2: else so they can just show up and show up
Speaker 2: to off.
Speaker 1: So of all the guys, whether they're on TGA Tour,
Speaker 1: Web dot Com Tour or if they're in college, like,
Speaker 1: what's the one guy that you would most want to
Speaker 1: work with that you're not currently working with.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a tough question. I might get might
Speaker 2: get in trouble for answering that one. I mean, gosh,
Speaker 2: that that that's a tough one. I mean, who wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to work with Tiger and try to try to
Speaker 2: take on that. I mean, but unfortunately I think it's
Speaker 2: help is UH is his biggest detriment right now. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's there's Gosh. I mean that we play with but
Speaker 2: we played with Bohostler last last week UH in a
Speaker 2: practice rounding Kelly played with him in the in the
Speaker 2: two rounds, and that kids really impressive and it has
Speaker 2: an absolute ton up ton of ton of upside and
Speaker 2: be pretty pretty cool to UH. I don't know who
Speaker 2: his coach is and not, but whoever it is is
Speaker 2: obviously doing doing an incredible job because he's UH, He's
Speaker 2: he's pretty impressive. So I don't have anybody out there,
Speaker 2: but I mean, there's I'm I'm confident enough and I
Speaker 2: feel like I can help. I can help guys get better.
Speaker 2: But I'm so happy with the guys that I work
Speaker 2: with and love love to work with them. And as
Speaker 2: I've told everybody, I'm not looking for players. I look
Speaker 2: to make it, make the ones I have better. UH
Speaker 2: If if helping the guys I have have success and
Speaker 2: and helping them get better at least to more guys,
Speaker 2: and then I'll be thankful for the opportunity, but to
Speaker 2: name one guy, gosh, I don't know, it's it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Just I'm so thankful and lucky that I get to
Speaker 2: be around the best players in the world. I been
Speaker 2: playing practice around with George Speed last week. Was pretty
Speaker 2: awesome and the thickest brain see him. I mean the
Speaker 2: experiences I have with agree and and seeing one of
Speaker 2: the best best players in the world do his thing,
Speaker 2: and and and you know, I know he learned from me,
Speaker 2: but I learned just as much to learn just as
Speaker 2: much from him. Uh. But so that's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: being around Bubba Watson last year, simon watching him hit shots.
Speaker 2: If you think that I never thought were unmatchable. Uh
Speaker 2: was a golf ball. I mean the amount of curve
Speaker 2: he could go on the golf balls. Pretty cool, he
Speaker 2: would He would be a fun one to to be
Speaker 2: around just because of his ability, Uh, how he how
Speaker 2: he hit shots, how he thinks would be pretty cool.
Speaker 2: But now just to just to be around those guys
Speaker 2: as awesome. I still get amazed every time I walk
Speaker 2: up and down the range. How lucky I am to
Speaker 2: get to what to get to do, what I get
Speaker 2: to do, Whether it's sitting and watching watching Zach Johnson
Speaker 2: at Wedges, whether it's watching Adam Scott sitting the golf club,
Speaker 2: whether it's watching you know, Patrick Greed hits a golf ball,
Speaker 2: whether it's watching Jordan Speed and pot of me. Those
Speaker 2: are pretty cool experiences. This guy I would never go
Speaker 2: to my wildest dreams. I would never thought I ever
Speaker 2: win two national championships, and I darn shirt never thought
Speaker 2: I would be sitting the ranks with the best players
Speaker 2: in the world and being able to help some of
Speaker 2: them try to win PGA Tour events. And I'm thankful,
Speaker 2: thankful to get to do it every day, and hopefully
Speaker 2: it's going to keep helping my guys better get better,
Speaker 2: and hopefully then they can win a few events and
Speaker 2: I have awesome careers. See what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you coached Bryson in college and I'm fascinated
Speaker 1: by Dishambo. I think I think his sponsors don't do
Speaker 1: him well because, you know, anything he's trying, they kind
Speaker 1: of turn into a product. But like in general, I,
Speaker 1: you know, always trying to get better, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated to hear a little bit about what it was
Speaker 1: like to coach a guy like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the coolest experiences of my life.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was very challenging. He was he was tough to
Speaker 2: coach because it was so kind of different in polar
Speaker 2: Opson than anybody else I've ever been around, and polar
Speaker 2: ops of my personality. But I think it was a
Speaker 2: good It was a good a good fit. He gave
Speaker 2: me a really neat compliment when he when he signed
Speaker 2: and chose to come to some U and he had
Speaker 2: some great, great opportunities which Stanford looked at UCLA, looked
Speaker 2: at Org, and look at a few other places for
Speaker 2: programs that were that were much better than us. When
Speaker 2: when I first took over the job, and I'll never
Speaker 2: forget to ask him, I said, why did you choose us?
Speaker 2: Why didn't you choose that SMU? Why don't you want
Speaker 2: me to be your coach? And uh, he gave a
Speaker 2: great response. He just said, you you were the only
Speaker 2: coach that would let me be me, which was a
Speaker 2: pretty cool compliment. I wasn't gonna he knew I wasn't
Speaker 2: gonna try to change. He knew I was gonna try
Speaker 2: to make him better and I was gonna challenge him uh,
Speaker 2: to get better and to see things sometimes in a
Speaker 2: different light. But I wasn't going to try to change
Speaker 2: the person he is. I mean, he's he's he's a scientists,
Speaker 2: the physicist, he's uh, he's uh, the ultimate, the ultimate,
Speaker 2: I guess, mechanical. On the golf course, he's he's a robot.
Speaker 2: He's trying trying to find perfection at all times. Uh.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that he still doesn't have feel
Speaker 2: and doesn't have knowledge of how to play the game.
Speaker 2: And I think that's where, you know, is the combination
Speaker 2: of his ability to swing the golf club and understanding
Speaker 2: what he does and his belief. What I learned from
Speaker 2: him the most is what he believes in his way,
Speaker 2: probably more than anybody I've ever seen, and doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: think it's it's right or wrong for anybody else. That
Speaker 2: knows it's right for him. And I think our combination
Speaker 2: of me challenging him to try different shots, to learn
Speaker 2: how to practice it in a different way, to do
Speaker 2: some other things, really really worked well. And he's going
Speaker 2: to figure it out. I know he's going to a
Speaker 2: little bit of a little bit of a rough time
Speaker 2: right now. But what twenty three year old doesn't have
Speaker 2: some struggles on the PGA tour. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: all new, this is all new to him. It's it's
Speaker 2: new cities, it's new golf courses, it's new Uh, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's a tough deal. It's not as easy as
Speaker 2: as people think. And the kids terribly talented, and he
Speaker 2: will figure it out because there's nobody that can outwork him.
Speaker 2: And I think hopefully over time, you'll keep continue to
Speaker 2: evolve and and and and listen to some of those
Speaker 2: that are you know, guys out on tour that have
Speaker 2: some experiences that he doesn't have, and and combine his
Speaker 2: his knowledge of the game with some other knowledges of
Speaker 2: kind of how to play the game and get a
Speaker 2: better understanding of the things that have worked for some
Speaker 2: guys that have had had a ton of success. And
Speaker 2: I think, uh, people do that over time, and when
Speaker 2: he does, uh, he can he can be uh an
Speaker 2: incredible player. But I love the fact that he's not afraid,
Speaker 2: not afraid to try things, not afraid to try to
Speaker 2: you know, the fact that he's putting you know, face
Speaker 2: on the fact that he's got all the clubs the
Speaker 2: same link. I mean, whether it's right or wrong. I mean,
Speaker 2: you gotta get the kid credit for trying it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And and he'll at some point he's as he's always
Speaker 2: told me when there was a couple of times when
Speaker 2: we talked about going to shorter wedges, because you know,
Speaker 2: it seems odd that you're hitting hitting wedges with the
Speaker 2: link of a seminar. You would think you would be
Speaker 2: better with shorter wedges. But and he would talk about it,
Speaker 2: and he would always kind of come back to me
Speaker 2: and say, coach, I'm gonna figure it out. And and
Speaker 2: and he did figure it out. And he's developed and
Speaker 2: having a uh become a very you have a very
Speaker 2: nice short game with what's something that looks very very unnocks.
Speaker 2: So uh, he he's a special kid. And hopefully he'll,
Speaker 2: uh he'll he'll keep getting better. He's gonna keep maturing,
Speaker 2: gonna keep growing up, keep understanding what it takes for
Speaker 2: him to be great, and he will will figure out
Speaker 2: over time. So easy to be just fun. You don't.
Speaker 2: You don't get to a point where you're when the
Speaker 2: n T a championship, when the US Amateur you know,
Speaker 2: tied for the Leason and and the masters. Uh, he's
Speaker 2: He's got a ton of belief in a ton of game,
Speaker 2: and it's just gonna take just takes a lot of
Speaker 2: reps out there and a lot of getting comfortable hard
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he Uh, I think he'll play actually
Speaker 1: well this week. I think he is built for courses
Speaker 1: that require a little bit more thought, more strategy too,
Speaker 1: rather than you know, the bombing gouge stuff. So what,
Speaker 1: what's the craziest theory that he ever came to you with?
Speaker 1: Were there any you know, like you hear about bones
Speaker 1: having a veto for Phil when Phil has, you know,
Speaker 1: some crazy idea of a shot he's gonna pull off.
Speaker 1: Did you know, were there any ideas that you had
Speaker 1: to just hard veto.
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever get gave him, gave him
Speaker 2: a heart beat up because I knew, I knew I
Speaker 2: would lose his respect and as his coach if I
Speaker 2: ever did let him try it and kind of figure
Speaker 2: it out on himself. Uh, he did ask some weird theories.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, the the face on putting he's talked
Speaker 2: about for a long time. He's always said that he
Speaker 2: that he was going to going to put that way,
Speaker 2: and I kind of looked at him like he was crazy,
Speaker 2: but at the same time that I know him well
Speaker 2: enough that that if it will either one work or
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work, he'll be smart enough to figure
Speaker 2: out that it doesn't work and he'll go back to
Speaker 2: to to putty conventional. But there were a few stories.
Speaker 2: I mean, he he would, he would. The very first
Speaker 2: time we were at a tournament, he wanted he wanted
Speaker 2: me to start. He asked me to stop at the
Speaker 2: store and he needed to get some EPs salts, uh
Speaker 2: because he needed and asked, what are you talking about.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that salt was. He wanted
Speaker 2: to test all of his golf balls to make I
Speaker 2: think it's to find where the center point of the
Speaker 2: golf balls and to make sure they're properly centered or something.
Speaker 2: I can't even explain it properly, but he would. He
Speaker 2: would know how to explained it much better than I do,
Speaker 2: and I than I do. But he gets him in
Speaker 2: the water every night before he plays to try to
Speaker 2: find out what which golf balls are the right ones
Speaker 2: to use. So uh, but you know what, that's that's
Speaker 2: what he believes it. Yeah, and it's pretty uh, it's
Speaker 2: pretty cool. But uh, yeah, he's uh, he's a different cat,
Speaker 2: but he but he's a good he's a good, great
Speaker 2: kid at heart. And I hope he I hope he
Speaker 2: continues to to get better and better. You think he's got.
Speaker 2: It's refreshing, it's refreshing. It's refreshing to see in this
Speaker 2: game because a lot of the game is, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: every everybody kind of does thing the same way. And
Speaker 2: you know, he's not not not not afraid to be different.
Speaker 2: And I think probably over time you combine that ability
Speaker 2: of not not not being afraid to be different, but
Speaker 2: combining that with the ability to to learn from others
Speaker 2: and to learn that you know, there there are other
Speaker 2: guys that can that can really help him evolve as
Speaker 2: a player, combining his knowledge with their knowledge, and he
Speaker 2: can he can be he could be pretty special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's gonna be a really good pro
Speaker 1: for a really long time. So much so much talent. Uh.
Speaker 1: So I talked with you know, my buddies on the
Speaker 1: mid Am Circuit, which I like to call the Loser Tour,
Speaker 1: and uh and we talk about you know guys that
Speaker 1: made it and you know why we're sitting playing at
Speaker 1: some local Muni on a weekend, and uh, one thing
Speaker 1: we always come back to is like this irrational confidence
Speaker 1: that all these guys have. Do you do you think
Speaker 1: that that is? You know, part of it, Like this
Speaker 1: just unbelievable self belief.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's it's the confidence in their ability.
Speaker 2: And it's the one of the neatest things that is
Speaker 2: that I've seen. Even walking around with Jordan Speed last
Speaker 2: week to practice around him, his self talk is so impressive.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you probably hear he's a little
Speaker 2: emotion when he talked to himself, and he talks to
Speaker 2: Michael Scotty quite a bit on the on the golf course,
Speaker 2: but his self talk will never ever talk badly about
Speaker 2: about himself. He has the utmost belief.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I had a pretty good feeling he was gonna have
Speaker 2: a great week last week because he fled out set.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love these dreams, and those those dreams
Speaker 2: last week were awesome. There were some of the worst
Speaker 2: dreams I've ever seen. They were it was wet, it
Speaker 2: was their plan, they were bouncing, they were buppy. But
Speaker 2: he loved that because he knows he's a great putter
Speaker 2: and he fled out said, Hey, if I missed the
Speaker 2: button this week, I know it's not me. I know
Speaker 2: he's just a dream and that that sounds arrogant, but
Speaker 2: it's honestly, it's a it's a factual statement in his mind.
Speaker 2: It's the way he believes. And so I think that's
Speaker 2: that's the thing. You've got to have that positive self
Speaker 2: talk and and and and and the concepts and and
Speaker 2: never you know, never beating yourself up, never telling yourself
Speaker 2: you're you're not any not any good at anything. And
Speaker 2: that's something that is I wish I had that always. Uh,
Speaker 2: the best players I've ever coached, whether it's been Patrick
Speaker 2: reed Or or hind At Norlander or John Peterson or
Speaker 2: Telegraft or guys that just had successful college careers, Uh,
Speaker 2: they all had one thing in common that they believe
Speaker 2: that they're twice as good as they really are. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I believe that I was half as good as I
Speaker 2: really was, and that's about that's a bad quality. And
Speaker 2: that's why I was never as good a player as
Speaker 2: I could have been. And that's why these guys are
Speaker 2: really good. And that's not arrogant. I mean, you can
Speaker 2: have east Embardley you've got to believe you're the best
Speaker 2: out there. You've got to be selfish, and you've got
Speaker 2: to be selfish with your time because it's a there's
Speaker 2: a lot going on out there. If you're not selfish
Speaker 2: with your time, it would be easy to get to
Speaker 2: get splayed in a lot of pulls in a lot
Speaker 2: of different directions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my my goal this year in tournament play is
Speaker 1: to never once tell myself I suck.
Speaker 2: So you know, good luck with that one. I do
Speaker 2: that about every about every other hole, every hole. That's
Speaker 2: that's a tough truth. If you tell yourself that, then
Speaker 2: you're eventually gonna believe it. And that's uh, it's just
Speaker 2: it's it's a standard line, but it's it's the truth.
Speaker 2: You've got to and that's uh, the biggest one of
Speaker 2: my biggest, biggest jobs of these guys coaches is there's
Speaker 2: a lot of us the middle side involved with it.
Speaker 2: And especially if i'm you know, I've ever caddy in
Speaker 2: but definitely, you know, definitely telling these guys constantly you
Speaker 2: know how good they are. Yes, you've got to be
Speaker 2: critical and you've got up you've got to point out
Speaker 2: what they've what they've got to work on. But Uh,
Speaker 2: one of the things I've always tried to stand by
Speaker 2: as a coach is is when you're coaching, when you're
Speaker 2: when you're giving a guy the structural criticism, you better
Speaker 2: point out the positive first. You point out the positive
Speaker 2: positive first, then you can point out the negative. If
Speaker 2: you point out the negative first, they never hear the positive.
Speaker 2: You can tell it. You can tell a kid, hey,
Speaker 2: you you putt it, you put it really well, you
Speaker 2: put it great today, really really proud of it, you know,
Speaker 2: but you know, well, we've gotta what we've gotta work.
Speaker 2: When you're you're chipping a little bit today, Well, they
Speaker 2: they they hear that part. They hear the negative. If
Speaker 2: we start with the negative first, they never hear the positive. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's a firm believer in that that you've got
Speaker 2: to got to build a guy out before you before
Speaker 2: you can never kind of bring him bring him down
Speaker 2: a little bit to make him realize what he's got
Speaker 2: to do to get better.
Speaker 1: So, uh, you've touched on Henrik Norlander a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've heard this leg and that he
Speaker 1: might be like one of the ten best ball strikers
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 2: Oh, that that's a you know, that's that's I wouldn't
Speaker 2: argue with that. Uh, he's like a second son to me.
Speaker 2: I coached him Upson College for four years and uh
Speaker 2: still I would consider myself one of his coaches, but
Speaker 2: mainly just just one of a really really close friend
Speaker 2: of his and we we talk. You know, it seems
Speaker 2: like almost daily. We're really close. And he's he can
Speaker 2: do things with a golf ball and I've seen very
Speaker 2: very few do. He's very impressive from Tea Green. Uh.
Speaker 2: And now he's started he's starting to starting to really
Speaker 2: develop around the greens as well. And his cutting that
Speaker 2: is getting is getting so much better, and he's got
Speaker 2: a much better, uh way of practice. And he's done
Speaker 2: some great work with the ramone Wisconsin the perfect putter
Speaker 2: and and done some really good work. And as a
Speaker 2: kind of a play with with what he with what
Speaker 2: he's doing now with his cutting, and he's getting getting better. Obviously,
Speaker 2: that show just showed with his results this year showed
Speaker 2: with his with his loss in the playoff. But let's
Speaker 2: and I expect him to look good things to him
Speaker 2: because he could from Peter Green, he's as good, he's
Speaker 2: as good as I've ever seen and uh, one of
Speaker 2: the one of the few guys in the world that
Speaker 2: I've ever been able to see it hit flight, it cuts,
Speaker 2: and most guys that that hit that it cuts hits
Speaker 2: them all the way up in the air. And he
Speaker 2: can actually slide it down and control it with the fade.
Speaker 2: And it's uh, it's pretty it's pretty uh pretty specional watch.
Speaker 2: And he's he's started to be able to take take
Speaker 2: his game at home and take his game on the
Speaker 2: range to the actual course because he's always, you know,
Speaker 2: he's always had a little trouble kind of letting it
Speaker 2: go and playing without fear. And now that he's starting
Speaker 2: to understand how to let it go. And then that
Speaker 2: that comes from comes results. When you start having results,
Speaker 2: at least the confidence, and then there's you can work
Speaker 2: where you can work as hard as you want and
Speaker 2: effectively as you want, but if you never have results,
Speaker 2: it's hard to have have confidence or full confidence. And uh,
Speaker 2: he started to get that. And hopefully he can get
Speaker 2: a few more starts in this year and and lock
Speaker 2: up a store card, which would be pretty quite an
Speaker 2: accomplishment without having any status this year. And but he
Speaker 2: he he started to believe that he knows. He's always
Speaker 2: known he can win out there. I've always known he
Speaker 2: can went out there, but quite honestly, it was it
Speaker 2: was almost a little bit of false belief because he
Speaker 2: really hadn't had any results to back it up. And
Speaker 2: then now, you know, finishing second and see all and
Speaker 2: ever since then, it's kind of changed his whole mentality
Speaker 2: and whole belief and and now he has that validation
Speaker 2: to say, hey, I can get it done on Sunday
Speaker 2: when it really matters. And I think you know, once
Speaker 2: he's in that position again, he's going to close the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he uh, he almost pulled that that
Speaker 1: thing off. That's kind of a crazy tournament out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I still think if in that playoff, if you
Speaker 2: could have found a way to hit that six iron
Speaker 2: on on the green instead of in the bucker, that
Speaker 2: have been a good chance he might if anybody want
Speaker 2: that outride, We're definitely put a little bit more pressure
Speaker 2: on this guy's trying to get that down and especially
Speaker 2: being the last one to hit. But he did a
Speaker 2: good shot, just came up and yard short and made
Speaker 2: a good bucker shot and then it hit a great
Speaker 2: bucker shot just didn't make the putt, but there'll be
Speaker 2: a lot more chances for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like thirty degrees, so it had to
Speaker 1: be I mean for those guys picking the yardage figured
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really kind of kind of a gift.
Speaker 1: So you know with Patrick Red, you know, he's he
Speaker 1: hasn't you know, really been in contention in a major.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's just you know, you know, it's
Speaker 1: only four tournaments a year. You know, is there anything
Speaker 1: that you know he needs to do, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: to work on to really get you know, where he's
Speaker 1: in the thick of it in a major, because it
Speaker 1: seems to be that's the last piece of his career.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's are a and he's young still, but
Speaker 1: you know that's the one glaring missing part of his resume.
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at it, he had he had
Speaker 2: his best two finishes in in a major last year.
Speaker 2: He finished finished camp at the British Open, then he
Speaker 2: finished camp at eleven at the British Open in the PGA,
Speaker 2: and those were those were his two best finishes ever
Speaker 2: in a major. So that was a that was a
Speaker 2: step in the right direction. But no, that's just you know,
Speaker 2: honestly hasn't played in it. I mean then that just
Speaker 2: takes uh the wall, getting getting comfortable getting that position.
Speaker 2: But he will have He will have plenty of major successes.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't. He lives with that moment. He
Speaker 2: lives for the Ryder Cup. You can't perform, uh like
Speaker 2: he has in the in the Ryder Cup and had
Speaker 2: the consistency that that he had last year and until
Speaker 2: won five times. Uh, that's just the next step. That's
Speaker 2: just the next step is getting in contention with majors
Speaker 2: and uh, he will win his fair share when when
Speaker 2: it's all said and done. But I know that's a
Speaker 2: big priority of his and he would definitely get that done.
Speaker 1: When when you're doing practice drills and you're competing against them,
Speaker 1: you know is you know what, what's it like competing
Speaker 1: against Patrick Reed?
Speaker 2: You're not gonna win very often. So that's one thing.
Speaker 2: Now he's he's the ultimate competitor. I mean, he he
Speaker 2: hates He probably hates losing more than he loves winning.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a that's a trade of a
Speaker 2: lot of great guys. They hate they hate to lose
Speaker 2: so badly that they're just gonna find a way to win.
Speaker 2: And that's why he's so good in the in the
Speaker 2: in the Ryder Cup for matter, and then he former
Speaker 2: match play for mat because he he just he just
Speaker 2: he just loves to beat you and he's just going
Speaker 2: to find a way to step on you when when
Speaker 2: he's got you, and he's never going to give up.
Speaker 2: He might have a bad hole here here there, but
Speaker 2: that he's the guy that wants the ball at the
Speaker 2: end of the game. He's the guy that wants the
Speaker 2: last shot. He's the guy that wants to wants the
Speaker 2: football was under two minutes with a chance to win
Speaker 2: the game. And that's that's that's why he will that's
Speaker 2: had so much success as a Ryder cupper and and
Speaker 2: I think over time he'll go down is one of
Speaker 2: the greatest Ryder Cup players of all time because he's
Speaker 2: his match play record is his phenomenal, whether it's been
Speaker 2: in in junior golf, amateur golf, and college roff he
Speaker 2: went six and oh and and match play and you've
Speaker 2: seen the success that he's had in the Ryder Cup
Speaker 2: and President's Cup, and I think it's all only going
Speaker 2: to get better because he truly just lives for that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's turned into an American legend because
Speaker 1: of because of the Ryder Cup. I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: you know, he he wanted Rory McElroy when McElroy's playing
Speaker 1: probably the best some of the best go off of
Speaker 1: his career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty pretty incredible two matches Nichols Nicholson
Speaker 2: Sergio match and then the Rory and Rorans and Patrick
Speaker 2: match for about that as good as golf can can
Speaker 2: be played on that day. It was pretty h off
Speaker 2: off of special stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he uh, he'll be the time that that will
Speaker 2: want to play five five matches every every Ryder Cup
Speaker 2: and he participates in it'll he'll never he'll never want
Speaker 2: to sit out. I can function that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, it was. It was cool. I
Speaker 1: think that you definitely. I feel like that Phil Sergio
Speaker 1: match just got got so overshadowed by the Rory Reid match.
Speaker 1: But you know, that match was so insanely good. It
Speaker 1: probably you know, it seemed like Reid and Mathlroy wore
Speaker 1: each other out by like holy eight and but that
Speaker 1: match was just eighteen holes of unbelievable golf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was probably the best time scene
Speaker 2: definitely in that format anyway.
Speaker 1: Already after birdy, So we'll get you out of here
Speaker 1: because I know it's it's it's a tournament week. You
Speaker 1: got tomorrow's the first round, so you probably got your
Speaker 1: phones probably ringing off the hook. But so with last
Speaker 1: question from Twitter, what could amateurs learn most from, you know,
Speaker 1: the games of professionals, Like, you know, what what can
Speaker 1: average average you know, take away from watching a PGA
Speaker 1: Tour event or you know, watching a specific player at
Speaker 1: at an event.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing they can do is just
Speaker 2: just watch how they manage, watch how they manage the
Speaker 2: golf course, watch how they play play the game, and
Speaker 2: then never, you know, very rarely, very rarely do they
Speaker 2: put themselves in trouble. They know when to take chances
Speaker 2: with the right clubs. Again, they know when their wedges.
Speaker 2: They're pretty much faring at every flag with you know, seven,
Speaker 2: six R and five iron. They're trying to hit it
Speaker 2: to twenty thirty thirty feet for the most part and
Speaker 2: make the parts and move on. But I think you
Speaker 2: the one of the things that I think is really
Speaker 2: really special to watch for guys, and what I've really
Speaker 2: my guys over and over and over again. It is
Speaker 2: getting you know, is around the greens and getting the
Speaker 2: basic shots up and down. You don't have to get
Speaker 2: you know, the best, the best guys of the best
Speaker 2: short games in the world. They don't always get it
Speaker 2: up and down. They don't get the artisans up and
Speaker 2: down all the time. But if you watch how they
Speaker 2: chip and pitch the ball and the basic ones, the
Speaker 2: easy ones, they chip it, the tap in the chip,
Speaker 2: you know, it looks like it's going in all the time.
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's something that is very you know, underrated,
Speaker 2: is getting the basic ones up and down to where
Speaker 2: there's no stress, you know, chipping it to where it's
Speaker 2: tap in. Uh, that's how you develop a sound short game. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's nice to hit the super up shot, the hardins,
Speaker 2: get those, get those closed. But honestly, those guys are
Speaker 2: when when they have a super tough shot, they're just
Speaker 2: trying to to you know, give themselves a chance to
Speaker 2: make a putt. But the basic ones, they look at
Speaker 2: those of scoring opportunities and and you know, quite honestly,
Speaker 2: amateur whether it's juniors, whether it's college players, you know,
Speaker 2: high handicappers, low handicappers, making successful mid ends. Whatever it
Speaker 2: may be, you can't stress the value of spending spending
Speaker 2: enough time around the greens. I mean, if you if
Speaker 2: you have an hour to practice, I mean, what does
Speaker 2: everybody do that go to the range. They hit as
Speaker 2: many balls as they can, They wind up hitting you know,
Speaker 2: way too many drivers, and they really don't do anything
Speaker 2: that really got them better, where they would be much
Speaker 2: better off spending half their time on the range and
Speaker 2: half the time shipping, pitching and putting and really getting better.
Speaker 2: And again, I have a simple theory if you could
Speaker 2: try to find a way to spend equal time in
Speaker 2: all four four years of the game. If you're going
Speaker 2: to practice for for two hours, if you spend thirty
Speaker 2: minutes on the range, thirty minutes shipping, pitching, bunkering, thirty
Speaker 2: minutes putting in thirty minutes with your distance wedges, and
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty hard not to improve. It sounds very simple,
Speaker 2: very dumb down, but honestly it's That's the first question
Speaker 2: I asked everybody when I when I when I start,
Speaker 2: you know, when I start working them with them, I
Speaker 2: asking one question, I say, how when's the last time
Speaker 2: you spend equally equal time working in all faces of
Speaker 2: the game, and most of the time, nobody's ever been
Speaker 2: able to answer that with yeah, I do that all
Speaker 2: the time, or i've or i've even ever done that.
Speaker 2: I know I haven't, and I know most most of
Speaker 2: even the best players in the world haven't. But why don't, like,
Speaker 2: if those are the four main areas of the game,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't we spend equal time in those? Sounds very
Speaker 2: dumb and dumb down, but it's, uh, it's the way
Speaker 2: I wish, I wish I would have practiced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, uh, I think I practiced much smarter
Speaker 1: now than when I was younger. And I always think about, man,
Speaker 1: if I spend as much time, you know, or at
Speaker 1: least the percentages I spend now on putting in short game,
Speaker 1: that when I was a kid, I would have been
Speaker 1: so much better.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and again, and I guarantee you don't spend
Speaker 2: as much time in technique as well, because you don't
Speaker 2: have the time. And and I think that's that's the
Speaker 2: area where I think that we see the biggest the
Speaker 2: fallout is just we get so obsessed with technique and
Speaker 2: trying to perfect something that is really really it's not
Speaker 2: attainable and as opposed to to the shot making, the
Speaker 2: random andes surpprise, just the competitiveness, the practice and really
Speaker 2: doing things that are going to develop trust, develop confidence
Speaker 2: that's going to carry that's actually going to transfer to
Speaker 2: the golf course. Because yes, yes, the technique work is
Speaker 2: important and you have to do that, but that doesn't
Speaker 2: guarantee it's going to transfer to the golf course. Because
Speaker 2: when you're on the first team and in your nerve,
Speaker 2: you're nervous, and you've got people around or maybe just
Speaker 2: playing with your buddies at your home course, you better
Speaker 2: have something to fall back on and done enough competitive
Speaker 2: practice and done enough rehearsals that hey, I feel like
Speaker 2: I could pull the shot off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's this. The smartest way is
Speaker 1: just spend time everywhere and become more well rounded. But hey,
Speaker 1: you know, really appreciate the time. And it was awesome
Speaker 1: to pick your brain and get to kind of nerd
Speaker 1: out about golf with you for for an hour.
Speaker 2: Well, I love it.
Speaker 3: I love I'm so blessed of what I get to
Speaker 3: do and love love love making guys better and it's
Speaker 3: it's my passion and I'm thankful to have an awesome
Speaker 3: life and awesome kids that allow me to be on
Speaker 3: the road a.
Speaker 2: Lot of the time, because if I didn't have that,
Speaker 2: I sure wouldn't be able to do it. So it's
Speaker 2: cool and love hoping my guys get better and hopefully
Speaker 2: even better things for coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll stay in touch and look forward to
Speaker 1: meet you at at one of these events. Sometimes sounds great.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me, I really appreciate it.