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Speaker 1: Egg Podcast, and UH we are happy to welcome our

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me. I really really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I think it'd be great if you gave

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Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna get on the golf course. Do

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Speaker 2: a lot of speed work with five dolls from different distances,

433
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Speaker 2: Do a lot of uh you know, one of my

434
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Speaker 2: one of my favorite games that we do is you

435
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 2: simply do fifty puts. You do fifty puts from three

436
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 2: to twelve feet. You do five pots for meat station,

437
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 2: five spots around the hole, and see how many maysan

438
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 2: PGA two or ever says you should make thirty two

439
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 2: out of fifty, uh from from from those fifty pots,

440
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 2: and and just trying to do that to where it's

441
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 2: simulating pressure. I mean, you're you know, you start missing,

442
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 2: if you get a little nervous, you get a little frustrated,

443
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 2: You got you gotta fight and through it. You kind

444
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 2: of try to kind of stick it out. So just

445
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: you know, it's what I'm trying to do with these guys,

446
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 2: and what I'm trying to coach them to do to

447
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: get and do it when they're on their own. The

448
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 2: best players in the world do the same things every game.

449
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 2: And the best, whether it's in business, whether golf. You know,

450
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 2: you write things down, you hold yourself accountable. You do

451
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: the same things over and over. I mean, I can't

452
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 2: you know. You always hear the stories about how many

453
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Speaker 2: golf balls Bja Seeing had during his prime. He was

454
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Speaker 2: one of the best bass strikers on tour. Well, he

455
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 2: did the same drills day in and day out. He

456
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 2: had alignment ride behind, and he had a glove under

457
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Speaker 2: his left arm. He had a water bottle just for

458
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: the rider of the golf boss. So he made sure

459
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Speaker 2: the club was exited on the proper on the proper plane. Well,

460
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 2: that's why he became a great bass riker. It wasn't

461
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Speaker 2: because he was always searching for any things to get

462
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: the same things over and over. And that's what you know,

463
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do with these guys in their practice

464
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: habits and in there the way they're you know, whether

465
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: it's the way they're swinging the club was or what

466
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: we're doing in our in our chipping, pitching, wedging, probating technique,

467
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. We're doing the same things over

468
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: and over and over again with small variations to still

469
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Speaker 2: keep it fun, still keep it fresh. But the best

470
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Speaker 2: do the same things day, day in and day out.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I mean it's like anything what I did.

472
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Speaker 2: I was constantly searching for, searching for, going around in circles,

473
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Speaker 2: and I think without the right guidance, I think that's

474
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: where the coaching, the coaching element is really is seeing

475
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 2: some success and seeing that it's needed out there. Uh.

476
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: And sometimes, honestly, as a coach or as an instructor,

477
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: you have to learn to shut up as well. You

478
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Speaker 2: have to learn to be quiet and just just let

479
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Speaker 2: your guy go, because I think too many times as

480
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 2: coaches and instructors were torn and always wanted to feel

481
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Speaker 2: like we're saying something or changing something. And you've got

482
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Speaker 2: to have enough confidence of what you're doing and what

483
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Speaker 2: the process of what you're doing, and sometimes you just

484
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: gotta be quiet that if things are good, hey, let's

485
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Speaker 2: just go with it, let's play a roll. So I

486
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: told Kelly Craft earlier today, clearly clearly what but what

487
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Speaker 2: he's doing is work. So this is the time. This

488
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Speaker 2: in the time to make changees and search for ways

489
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Speaker 2: to win. This is this is the time to just

490
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Speaker 2: keep doing exactly what we're doing. Monsitor chaing what what's

491
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Speaker 2: going on? And you know what, you're gonna put himself

492
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Speaker 2: in in that position enough times and hopefully hopefully those

493
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: went went black. It's but it's not the chant time

494
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Speaker 2: to to search for for how to get better because

495
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: clearless work work with John Peterson earlier today, you know,

496
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: we had a great three hour short game session and

497
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: we literally did the same same girls, same same same

498
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: games that we do almost every time when we when

499
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Speaker 2: we practice, and even do the same things on the road.

500
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: And uh, I think that's we're also trying to get

501
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Speaker 2: players to understand that you you practice at home, you

502
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 2: prepare on the road, and then there's a big difference.

503
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: There's a big difference to that. And then that's that's

504
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: where I think too many guys have been too much

505
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: time practicing on the road in searching for things. And

506
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Speaker 2: suppose that's the time to prepare for the golf course

507
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: or on the golf course, stick to the drill, stick

508
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: to the games that that work for you and go

509
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Speaker 2: from there.

510
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Speaker 1: That's interesting. You know, I write a lot about golf

511
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Speaker 1: courses and architecture, and I'm kind of curious how you

512
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Speaker 1: guys go about, you know, kind of breaking down a

513
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Speaker 1: golf course and developing a strategy for specific holes.

514
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Speaker 2: Good question. Again, it's been on the player.

515
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Speaker 1: You know.

516
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Speaker 2: John Peterson is a phenomenal driver ball is one of

517
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: the better drivers drivers the ball Tour. So he's gonna

518
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 2: driver almost at every hole because because that that that's

519
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: his strength.

520
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: Uh.

521
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: You know, something that I've worked with with Kelly on

522
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: pretty hard is understanding, Uh, he's a very aggressive player,

523
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 2: but he sometimes too is too aggressive with the wrong clubs. Uh,

524
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: learning learning that you know from it from one hundred

525
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: and one hundred and twenty yards and n or one

526
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty yards and then we've got to get

527
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: so good with all four of his ledges that there's

528
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 2: not a flag that he can't go at that if

529
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Speaker 2: you want to shoot those scores, we've got to hit

530
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: those closes and understanding what you know, getting so good

531
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Speaker 2: from all those yards with all with all four of

532
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: his wedges, that he's choosing choosing the club based on

533
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Speaker 2: what that shot calls for, not what club, but he

534
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: feels the most comfortable hitting and there's a big difference

535
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: in that, and so that's that's where, uh, the strategy

536
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: comes in. And also understanding that with a six iron

537
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: from two hundred yards, you know, average proximity the hole

538
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: is about thirty to thirty from their four feet on

539
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: the VGA Tour, that hitting the six iron to thirty

540
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: feet is okay, and it's okay to hit it to

541
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 2: the fat side of the green, and it's okay just

542
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: to make a nice easy far from there. And that's

543
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 2: something that he was kind of super aggressive in his game,

544
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: going at too many flags with six irons and quite

545
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: honestly not being aggressive enough with his ledges or not

546
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: having enough shots with ledges to truly to truly get

547
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 2: as proximity the whole closer so we can have more

548
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: chances at Bertie's also now he's you know, both of

549
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: those guys are developing more and more short game, better

550
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: and better short game skills so they can go at

551
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: more flags. Patrick Greed, as good as his short game is,

552
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: he can go at every flag you want to, because

553
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: the short game is this game is so sound, it's

554
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: so solid that there's not a flag he's not afraid of.

555
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: But until you get that point to where your short

556
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: game is sound enough, you've got to play little more

557
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: concernis you've got to play at your strings and not

558
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: put yourself in positions that you don't have the shots

559
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: to recover from. So again, cater to each guy's game,

560
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: cater to each guy's uh.

561
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Speaker 1: You know ability, Yeah, I think you know.

562
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: At that level, overall goals, overall goal is getting to

563
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: where there is not a weakness in those four physical areas.

564
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: Is a game full swing, wedging, hippy, pitching, bunker and

565
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: putting that there really isn't a weakness if they're sound

566
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: in all areas, so they're not really happen to having

567
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: to play away from continuing in those areas. But if

568
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: one area is struggling the other, the others can can

569
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: take care of the rest.

570
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine inside one hundred and twenty yards for

571
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: these guys that you can't have a bad number and

572
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: you can't have a shot, you can't hit.

573
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know you always hear, well, I have

574
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: the bad numbers between their numbers whatever it may be.

575
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 2: And there are certain numbers of guys don't like. But uh,

576
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: that's why you work on your wedges from all those

577
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: different yardages with all three or four of your wedges.

578
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: So you know, like last week of double the greens

579
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: were so soft, their float from front to back and

580
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: a lot of back flags. If you didn't have the

581
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 2: ability to flight in the golf ball and just kind

582
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: of have it, you know, floating a little bit, you're

583
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: going to be ripping it back off the front of

584
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: other green. So learning to again, learning to choose the

585
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: club based on what the shot requires as opposed to

586
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: just using the club on which one he feel most

587
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: comfortable with. And that's that's kind of the essential goal there.

588
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: From from and then learning around the greens, learning to

589
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: chip and pitch with different clubs as well. I mean,

590
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: there was a couple of cool stories, you know, a

591
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: couple of cool chances this weekend when when Kelly had

592
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: long bunker shots and we've been working on learning to

593
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: hit fifty twos and fifty six is out of different lies,

594
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: different type types of bunkers, different types of sand, and

595
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: he was able to execute those shots this weekend when

596
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: before he would have probably just chosen to sixty three

597
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: wedge and hit it to maybe fifteen twenty feet and

598
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: not been able to get up and down and you

599
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: know John Peters the previous week and Phoenix when I

600
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: was chatting for him, he had had a pitch shot

601
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 2: in the seventeenth hole and kind of a dicey pitcho

602
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: and kipped it up there at about eight inches And

603
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: all they said was, coach, all I can think about

604
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: is how many times I've hit this a practice this week?

605
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: And that's you know, that's what you coach for those

606
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: those moments are pretty cool.

607
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that had to be awesome with it going on

608
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: the bag as a coach, you know, how how do

609
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: you have to kind of change your approach as as

610
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: the caddy and you know, being the looper and you know,

611
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: as you said earlier, I imagine a lot of times

612
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: it's it's about kind of shutting up and carrying the bag.

613
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: H Yeah, it is. I mean it's I have the

614
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: utmost respect for caddies after doing them, Gosh, I always do,

615
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: but I mean more so down it's hard work. It's

616
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: hard we work to just stay up. Those guys walk fast,

617
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: especially when you're writing buckers and two and whatever. It's tough.

618
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, you do have to flip your role a

619
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: little bit. You have to kind of uh but still

620
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: I think the best coach, the best caddies in the

621
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: world would be awesome coaches. I really do, and and

622
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: and the same same thing. You know. That way, the

623
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: best coach in the world would also be offesome caddies

624
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: because it's a very similar job. Uh, you forget it,

625
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: it's very similar. So you have to you have to

626
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: know when to say something. You have to know when

627
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: to let your player event Uh. You have to also

628
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: know when to tell them, Hey, it's time to go

629
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: play off, shut up and let's go.

630
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

631
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: I think that's the key part of being being being

632
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: a good caddy, a good coach. And I think you know,

633
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: you also have to know when to give, when when

634
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: too much, when, when when to give information and when

635
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: not to give information.

636
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

637
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: You know, when when a player has got a green

638
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: light flag and from one hundred and forty five yards

639
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: it's a perfect wedge, there's not really not a whole

640
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: lot that needs to be said. But when it's two

641
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: hundred yards to a tuck flag with water on the

642
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: right and the ridge of the left or whatever it

643
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: may be, that's what hey, you gotta be You gotta

644
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: be confident off in your delivery to say Hey, hey, bro,

645
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: this is this is a six iron twenty five feet

646
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: left right there, and we're gonna We're gonna too fought

647
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: into the ball. So I think it's it's a it's

648
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: a hard deal. I'm learning learning to be a better

649
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: caddy when needed, but uh, it's fun. I think as

650
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: a coach you learn so much more being inside the

651
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: ropes and being there and understand what they're what your

652
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: players think, and what they're going through, and you're able

653
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: to coach them way more effectively after you have that experience.

654
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: And that's why as a coach when I'm on the road,

655
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time there Washington Play. I'll

656
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: never go to a tournament and leave on a Wednesday

657
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: and just unless I just have to. But I'm a

658
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: big believer in watching guys play, whether it's all weekend

659
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: or whether it's maybe just s Thurshing Friday, because that's

660
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: what I learned the most. You're gonna you get what

661
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: you see on the range, what you see in practice round.

662
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: A lot of times it's a lot different than what

663
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: you see in the competition. At the end of the day,

664
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: my job is to help the shoot the best score

665
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: they possibly can. So if I'm not watching them in

666
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: competition and not learning helping them learn how to manage

667
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: the courts better learn, you know, evaluate what they're doing

668
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: right and wrong. But honestly, I'm not doing my job.

669
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: That's what I'm hired to do is to help to

670
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: help the shoot the lowest coore possible. So, uh, I

671
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: think it's extremely important as coaches and structures whatever it

672
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: may be, uh to stick around and watch your guys compete.

673
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: So you got to let us say, did you make

674
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: any you know, hack caddy moves like you know, did

675
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: you did you get any bad looks?

676
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, fortune of the caddies I've been with so

677
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: far have all been cool, and I've explained to them

678
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: on the first team, Look, I don't do this full time.

679
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: I love doing I'm gonna do my best and I'll

680
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 2: try not to screw up, and I'm probably gonna uh

681
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: stand in the wrong place. I'm probably gonna forget to

682
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: rake their bocker when it's when it's my turn to

683
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: rake their bunker or whatever it may be. But yeah,

684
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: I dropped the bag once, fortunately one in somebody's backs thing.

685
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: I've definitely dropped out with the cover that that's that's

686
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: normal for me. Usually have a set over under how

687
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: many I'm gonna drop in to day? I didn't race,

688
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: I didn't you know when the confusing part is sometimes

689
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: when you're supposed to rap rap the other player's bucker

690
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: or not. Obviously understand I gotta rape mind, but when

691
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: you gotta rak somebody else's buker. I've messed that one

692
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: up a couple of times as well. But fortunately no

693
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: no major mistakes that have cost anybody any shots or

694
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: any dirty, dirty looks this yet. And I just try

695
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: to try to do the best I can. But the

696
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: caddies out there are cool. So they're they're they're fun

697
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: to hang out with and they're fun. But you learn

698
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: a lot, You learn a lot about they're good about showing,

699
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: the showing the rookies, Uh what what the heck to do?

700
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's h They're like a brethren out there. It's uh,

701
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious with it being Riviera Week and you know

702
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: the tenth hole. Just yeah, it's a divisive little part.

703
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: For how do you have guys like Kelly Craft? How

704
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: how's the strategy different for Patrick Reid compared to Kelly Craft?

705
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: Or is it the same.

706
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: I think it depends on the whole location. For one,

707
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: I think it seems to be an Honestly, I've never

708
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: been to Riviera. I'm just obviously watching on TV, and

709
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: it's it seems to be you know, the base on

710
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: the flag, whether whether or not you could go forward

711
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: or not. But then again it also is is is

712
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 2: catered to a players play a player style. I mean

713
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: it's it'd be it'd be hard to take the driver

714
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: out of a certain players. Players see if that's there,

715
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: if that's their best club, they're bagging to have the

716
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: ReBs of nature. But if also if you've got to

717
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: you've got a player such as Zach Johnson or somebody

718
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: who's whose incredible, incredible within your wedges, and that's the

719
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: strength of the game. It's like when he won the Masters,

720
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: he laid up on all on all sixteen par fives

721
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: for the week at one and I'm sure there were

722
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: numerous times when he hit a fixed of green but

723
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: knew that was strict. It's it's something that you have

724
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: a prime example of a couple of weeks ago, Caddy

725
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: for john we were he had two hundred and forty

726
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: two yards to the fifteenth hole, at Phoenix the par

727
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: five the kind of the island green, which is sounds

728
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: like an absolute no brainer to go for it, because

729
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: it's a pretty big green. You've got more persson around there,

730
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: and as good as he hits it, he's going to

731
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: hit it on land, you know, nine out of ten times.

732
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: But honestly he did. He didn't have a club forard.

733
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: He carries his foreign about two o eight two ten

734
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: and if you missed the groove loaw, it's going to

735
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: be in the water short. But he carries his five

736
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: with about two forty and the greens the greens were firm,

737
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: and so if he hits that probably goes a long

738
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: which is going to be almost an impossible pitch. And

739
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: so we didn't have a club for it, and talked

740
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: him in to lay it up because now he has

741
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: a good enough edge game. Before he wouldn't have had

742
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: a good enough wedge game. It's still confident up that

743
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: he could get it up and down, and so we

744
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: laid up with a bussy wedge and then he hit

745
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: a same wedge to sixty seven feet and made the

746
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: pub for Birdy and and make berdie the kind of

747
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: a different way than he would have ever done it before.

748
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: So again it's playing for your strengths. I think you

749
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: gotta again you evaluate each player and what's good for them.

750
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, and and then also looking at the

751
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: whole location. Where's your miss where where it gives you

752
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: the best chance to get up and down? Is this

753
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: a better wedge flag or is this as a green

754
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: light flag that if we can miss anywhere up you know,

755
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: up around the green, we could still give it up

756
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: and down. And then obviously you go overall by nature,

757
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: I would say, I'm very aggressive as a coach. And

758
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 2: and and that's why I was in college. I wanted

759
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: to let my players play. I wanted to let them

760
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes you have to make mistakes. Sometimes you have

761
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: to make you have to even fail to to learn.

762
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: But you but you better go down slinging. I mean,

763
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: these scores are getting lower and lower, and courtant that

764
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: can build these courses as big and as long as

765
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: they want to. But it's not checking the scores at Also,

766
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: you better be pretty aggressive, pretty aggressive in nature and

767
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: trying to make Berdi's if you're gonna win out there.

768
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

769
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: But still it's it's an overall philosophy. And they sound contradictory,

770
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: but it's not. I mean, it's still you know, very

771
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: very boring golf. And you're gonna make Kelly played last

772
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: week shut fifteen under and make only five vogues all week,

773
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: which is which is pretty good in some of those conditions.

774
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: It's just a very boring, simplistic way of trying to

775
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: trying to map out the golf course and trying to

776
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: make golf as streuss as stress free as it possibly can.

777
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: And that goes back to your practice. That goes back

778
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: to your practice and being prepared in all areas of

779
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: your game. So there really isn't is the leaks.

780
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: So something you alluded to with John and in the

781
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: gap with like you know, four iron to five wood,

782
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: I feel like with the you know, fourteen club limit,

783
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: you're going to have either you know, it seems to

784
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: be you either have less wedges and more long clubs

785
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: and you don't have that gap in the long clubs,

786
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: or you have more wedges and you deal with a

787
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: gap like John has. Like I'm I'm perfect example, I

788
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: have the I have a three iron and then a

789
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: three would and I just have this gap there. How

790
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: do you kind of coach that? What what's your overall philosophy.

791
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: Again, it's individualized. I love I love the four wedge

792
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: system because I think the majority of it you're gonna hit.

793
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: You're gonna hit way more shots that are in around

794
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: and around the ball. From one hundred and one hundred

795
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: and we'll say, from you know, around the greens to

796
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred and thirty yards, then you're gonna

797
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: hit from two hundred and ten to two hundred and

798
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: forty yards. From two hundred and ten to two hundred

799
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 2: and forty yards, you may only hit three to four

800
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: shots and around the golf, uh that are here from

801
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: that distance. So I think you can get away with

802
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: halfing a little bit of a gap there because it's

803
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: not needed as much. But you might hit. You might

804
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: hit ten to twelve shots, if not more. Uh, from chipping, pitching, chipping, pitching,

805
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: bunker to that fifty to one hundred and twenty yards

806
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: kind of distance, wedge distance, wedge around, distance from wedges

807
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: and around. Sorry I can't talk and around the golf.

808
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: So to stat say, you know, you should have as

809
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: many clubs uh from that from that yard is as

810
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: possible as opposed to having so many clubs at the

811
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: top of your bag that are from two hundred and

812
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: two forty. Now, again that's all structured upon a player. Uh,

813
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 2: you got a guy that doesn't hit it, that doesn't

814
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: hit it really far, that's not gonna have as many pledges,

815
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: then he might need a couple of extra clubs at

816
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: the top. Obviously having it, you know, for example, in

817
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: John's gap, having a gap from two ten to two

818
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: forty is a little bit too much. I wish we

819
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: could find a way to to probably straight you know,

820
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: either maybe put it in a three iron or strengthen

821
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: his four iron a little bit. But he loves the

822
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: four and so much that it's it's a great club

823
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: for him, and he's very good with that. He needs

824
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: it on a lot of there's a lot of two

825
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifteen yard par threes on tour, so

826
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: at the club that he really needs. But that gap

827
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: is not great. But at the same time, I would

828
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: rather have the clubs at the bottom, at the bottom

829
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: of the bag. So we're really really condoling our wish.

830
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: So from two hundred to two hundred and ten yards,

831
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 2: if you make far on the whole, you've done a

832
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: great job. But from one hundred and twenty yards, you

833
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: better be averaging underbar.

834
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it. I think there

835
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: are so many that's one of my complaints with modern

836
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: golf courses, just too many high There are two hundred

837
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: and two and twenty a par three.

838
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: Is so and I think that's the point of really

839
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: getting guys to understand their stats. And that's when I

840
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: when I sit down with them, that's one of my

841
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: responsibilities is keeping up with their stats and keeping up

842
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: with what's going well, what's not going what's not going well,

843
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: so we can change the practice plans, so we can

844
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 2: change how we how we're doing things, how we're working

845
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: on things. So it's it's it's constantly, it's constantly evolving

846
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: on what's going well, with what's not not going well,

847
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: and understanding getting them to understand that again, thirty and

848
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: thirty thirty five feet from two hundred yards is okay.

849
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 2: Twenty five feet from under twenty yards is not okay.

850
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: But so it's uh, it's really it's been a really

851
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: neat experience is to see, uh, you know, I love numbers.

852
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm a stat's guy. I love numbers, and I think

853
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: it's a large part of our game. I wish I

854
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: would have done more of this when I what I

855
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: tried to play and if I could have, you know,

856
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: wish somebody when I was twenty twenty two, twenty three

857
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: years of age where grabbed me by the collar and

858
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: and and and showed me how to practice in a

859
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: more a more effective wayer and in a better way

860
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: than how I went about it.

861
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: So somebody, you know, without all of the stats like

862
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: of a PGA Tour pro like, how do you approach

863
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: it with like your web dot com guys that don't

864
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: have as detailed and uh you know, advanced statistics.

865
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no fun for me as a coach because

866
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour does a does a really nice job

867
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: of keep its stats and makes my job a lot easier.

868
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: But with the guys that I work with on the

869
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: web dot com tour, I mean a lot of it

870
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: is is is asking them to keep to keep them

871
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: on their own, you know, the ones that I think

872
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 2: are important, the ones that really helped me. Uh structure,

873
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: you know, structure there there there practice and knowing what

874
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: we really need to work on and knowing if we

875
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: need to spend more time and technique or more time

876
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: in the field based practice for whatever it may be,

877
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: so ask them to do it on their own. And

878
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: also just constant communication. I mean, I'm a coach that

879
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: I speak to my guys regularly, whether it's my text

880
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: and it's my phone, uh, you know, my phone never

881
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: never stops ringing, never stops texting, which is I guess

882
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: it could the bad thing. I'm kind of an addicted

883
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: to my job and addicted to uh to trying to

884
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: help guys get better. But I think the communication, just

885
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: having them, you know, honestly communicate what's really going on

886
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: in their game does because staff don't lie, never don't lie.

887
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: You can't hide behind them when I know when whether

888
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: it's been meetium with with with John or Kelly and

889
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: shows him, hey, you're you're not ranked the top one

890
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: fifty in any short game category well before this year,

891
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: you know, what do you do? We gotta work with

892
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: this and it's uh, but it's cool to see the

893
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: results play off. It's cool to see John Peterson this

894
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: year ranked fourth and totally you know, granted it's only

895
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: been seven it's only played in seven events, but he's

896
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: fourth with total scrambling on tour, which it shows as

897
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: Mark is paying off Kelly. The last few weeks, it's

898
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: been above seventy five percent crammed in each of his

899
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: weeks that he's had success, so U it shows, it

900
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: shows that it's playing off. But yeah, I sure wish

901
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: the web dot Com Tour with five the way just

902
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: to keep better to keep better stats. But I understand

903
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: what the uh the band power and the lack of

904
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: volunteers that it's hard to do. But just just getting

905
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: my guys to give me the information that I need

906
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: from them, and I don't expect them, uh honestly, I

907
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: don't expect them to come up with the plans. Again,

908
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: their job is between the club, provide me with the information,

909
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 2: and it's my job to set up, set up everything

910
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: else so they can just show up and show up

911
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: to off.

912
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: So of all the guys, whether they're on TGA Tour,

913
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: Web dot Com Tour or if they're in college, like,

914
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: what's the one guy that you would most want to

915
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: work with that you're not currently working with.

916
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: That's a that's a tough question. I might get might

917
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: get in trouble for answering that one. I mean, gosh,

918
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: that that that's a tough one. I mean, who wouldn't

919
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: want to work with Tiger and try to try to

920
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: take on that. I mean, but unfortunately I think it's

921
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: help is UH is his biggest detriment right now. I mean,

922
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: there's there's Gosh. I mean that we play with but

923
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: we played with Bohostler last last week UH in a

924
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: practice rounding Kelly played with him in the in the

925
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: two rounds, and that kids really impressive and it has

926
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: an absolute ton up ton of ton of upside and

927
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: be pretty pretty cool to UH. I don't know who

928
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: his coach is and not, but whoever it is is

929
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: obviously doing doing an incredible job because he's UH, He's

930
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: he's pretty impressive. So I don't have anybody out there,

931
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: but I mean, there's I'm I'm confident enough and I

932
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: feel like I can help. I can help guys get better.

933
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: But I'm so happy with the guys that I work

934
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: with and love love to work with them. And as

935
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: I've told everybody, I'm not looking for players. I look

936
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: to make it, make the ones I have better. UH

937
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: If if helping the guys I have have success and

938
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: and helping them get better at least to more guys,

939
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: and then I'll be thankful for the opportunity, but to

940
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: name one guy, gosh, I don't know, it's it's pretty cool.

941
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: Just I'm so thankful and lucky that I get to

942
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: be around the best players in the world. I been

943
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: playing practice around with George Speed last week. Was pretty

944
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: awesome and the thickest brain see him. I mean the

945
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: experiences I have with agree and and seeing one of

946
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: the best best players in the world do his thing,

947
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: and and and you know, I know he learned from me,

948
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: but I learned just as much to learn just as

949
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: much from him. Uh. But so that's uh, you know,

950
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: being around Bubba Watson last year, simon watching him hit shots.

951
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: If you think that I never thought were unmatchable. Uh

952
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: was a golf ball. I mean the amount of curve

953
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: he could go on the golf balls. Pretty cool, he

954
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: would He would be a fun one to to be

955
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: around just because of his ability, Uh, how he how

956
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: he hit shots, how he thinks would be pretty cool.

957
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: But now just to just to be around those guys

958
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 2: as awesome. I still get amazed every time I walk

959
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: up and down the range. How lucky I am to

960
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: get to what to get to do, what I get

961
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: to do, Whether it's sitting and watching watching Zach Johnson

962
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: at Wedges, whether it's watching Adam Scott sitting the golf club,

963
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: whether it's watching you know, Patrick Greed hits a golf ball,

964
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: whether it's watching Jordan Speed and pot of me. Those

965
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 2: are pretty cool experiences. This guy I would never go

966
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: to my wildest dreams. I would never thought I ever

967
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: win two national championships, and I darn shirt never thought

968
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: I would be sitting the ranks with the best players

969
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: in the world and being able to help some of

970
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 2: them try to win PGA Tour events. And I'm thankful,

971
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 2: thankful to get to do it every day, and hopefully

972
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: it's going to keep helping my guys better get better,

973
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: and hopefully then they can win a few events and

974
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: I have awesome careers. See what happens.

975
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you coached Bryson in college and I'm fascinated

976
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: by Dishambo. I think I think his sponsors don't do

977
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: him well because, you know, anything he's trying, they kind

978
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: of turn into a product. But like in general, I,

979
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: you know, always trying to get better, and I'm I'm

980
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: fascinated to hear a little bit about what it was

981
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: like to coach a guy like that.

982
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the coolest experiences of my life.

983
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: It was.

984
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: It was very challenging. He was he was tough to

985
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: coach because it was so kind of different in polar

986
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: Opson than anybody else I've ever been around, and polar

987
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: ops of my personality. But I think it was a

988
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: good It was a good a good fit. He gave

989
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: me a really neat compliment when he when he signed

990
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: and chose to come to some U and he had

991
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: some great, great opportunities which Stanford looked at UCLA, looked

992
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: at Org, and look at a few other places for

993
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: programs that were that were much better than us. When

994
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: when I first took over the job, and I'll never

995
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: forget to ask him, I said, why did you choose us?

996
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: Why didn't you choose that SMU? Why don't you want

997
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: me to be your coach? And uh, he gave a

998
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: great response. He just said, you you were the only

999
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: coach that would let me be me, which was a

1000
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: pretty cool compliment. I wasn't gonna he knew I wasn't

1001
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: gonna try to change. He knew I was gonna try

1002
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: to make him better and I was gonna challenge him uh,

1003
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: to get better and to see things sometimes in a

1004
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: different light. But I wasn't going to try to change

1005
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: the person he is. I mean, he's he's he's a scientists,

1006
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 2: the physicist, he's uh, he's uh, the ultimate, the ultimate,

1007
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: I guess, mechanical. On the golf course, he's he's a robot.

1008
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: He's trying trying to find perfection at all times. Uh.

1009
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that he still doesn't have feel

1010
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: and doesn't have knowledge of how to play the game.

1011
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: And I think that's where, you know, is the combination

1012
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: of his ability to swing the golf club and understanding

1013
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: what he does and his belief. What I learned from

1014
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: him the most is what he believes in his way,

1015
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: probably more than anybody I've ever seen, and doesn't necessarily

1016
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: think it's it's right or wrong for anybody else. That

1017
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: knows it's right for him. And I think our combination

1018
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: of me challenging him to try different shots, to learn

1019
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: how to practice it in a different way, to do

1020
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: some other things, really really worked well. And he's going

1021
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: to figure it out. I know he's going to a

1022
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: little bit of a little bit of a rough time

1023
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: right now. But what twenty three year old doesn't have

1024
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: some struggles on the PGA tour. I mean, this is

1025
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: all new, this is all new to him. It's it's

1026
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: new cities, it's new golf courses, it's new Uh, it's

1027
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: it's it's a tough deal. It's not as easy as

1028
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: as people think. And the kids terribly talented, and he

1029
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: will figure it out because there's nobody that can outwork him.

1030
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: And I think hopefully over time, you'll keep continue to

1031
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: evolve and and and and listen to some of those

1032
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: that are you know, guys out on tour that have

1033
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: some experiences that he doesn't have, and and combine his

1034
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: his knowledge of the game with some other knowledges of

1035
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: kind of how to play the game and get a

1036
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: better understanding of the things that have worked for some

1037
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: guys that have had had a ton of success. And

1038
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: I think, uh, people do that over time, and when

1039
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 2: he does, uh, he can he can be uh an

1040
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: incredible player. But I love the fact that he's not afraid,

1041
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: not afraid to try things, not afraid to try to

1042
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: you know, the fact that he's putting you know, face

1043
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: on the fact that he's got all the clubs the

1044
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: same link. I mean, whether it's right or wrong. I mean,

1045
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: you gotta get the kid credit for trying it.

1046
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: Uh.

1047
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 2: And and he'll at some point he's as he's always

1048
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: told me when there was a couple of times when

1049
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: we talked about going to shorter wedges, because you know,

1050
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: it seems odd that you're hitting hitting wedges with the

1051
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: link of a seminar. You would think you would be

1052
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: better with shorter wedges. But and he would talk about it,

1053
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: and he would always kind of come back to me

1054
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: and say, coach, I'm gonna figure it out. And and

1055
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: and he did figure it out. And he's developed and

1056
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: having a uh become a very you have a very

1057
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: nice short game with what's something that looks very very unnocks.

1058
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 2: So uh, he he's a special kid. And hopefully he'll,

1059
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: uh he'll he'll keep getting better. He's gonna keep maturing,

1060
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: gonna keep growing up, keep understanding what it takes for

1061
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: him to be great, and he will will figure out

1062
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: over time. So easy to be just fun. You don't.

1063
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: You don't get to a point where you're when the

1064
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: n T a championship, when the US Amateur you know,

1065
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: tied for the Leason and and the masters. Uh, he's

1066
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: He's got a ton of belief in a ton of game,

1067
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: and it's just gonna take just takes a lot of

1068
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: reps out there and a lot of getting comfortable hard

1069
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: out there.

1070
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he Uh, I think he'll play actually

1071
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 1: well this week. I think he is built for courses

1072
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: that require a little bit more thought, more strategy too,

1073
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: rather than you know, the bombing gouge stuff. So what,

1074
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: what's the craziest theory that he ever came to you with?

1075
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: Were there any you know, like you hear about bones

1076
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: having a veto for Phil when Phil has, you know,

1077
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: some crazy idea of a shot he's gonna pull off.

1078
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: Did you know, were there any ideas that you had

1079
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: to just hard veto.

1080
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever get gave him, gave him

1081
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: a heart beat up because I knew, I knew I

1082
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: would lose his respect and as his coach if I

1083
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: ever did let him try it and kind of figure

1084
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 2: it out on himself. Uh, he did ask some weird theories.

1085
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, the the face on putting he's talked

1086
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: about for a long time. He's always said that he

1087
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: that he was going to going to put that way,

1088
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 2: and I kind of looked at him like he was crazy,

1089
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: but at the same time that I know him well

1090
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: enough that that if it will either one work or

1091
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work, he'll be smart enough to figure

1092
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: out that it doesn't work and he'll go back to

1093
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: to to putty conventional. But there were a few stories.

1094
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: I mean, he he would, he would. The very first

1095
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: time we were at a tournament, he wanted he wanted

1096
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: me to start. He asked me to stop at the

1097
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: store and he needed to get some EPs salts, uh

1098
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: because he needed and asked, what are you talking about.

1099
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that salt was. He wanted

1100
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: to test all of his golf balls to make I

1101
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: think it's to find where the center point of the

1102
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: golf balls and to make sure they're properly centered or something.

1103
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: I can't even explain it properly, but he would. He

1104
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: would know how to explained it much better than I do,

1105
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: and I than I do. But he gets him in

1106
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: the water every night before he plays to try to

1107
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: find out what which golf balls are the right ones

1108
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: to use. So uh, but you know what, that's that's

1109
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: what he believes it. Yeah, and it's pretty uh, it's

1110
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 2: pretty cool. But uh, yeah, he's uh, he's a different cat,

1111
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: but he but he's a good he's a good, great

1112
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: kid at heart. And I hope he I hope he

1113
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: continues to to get better and better. You think he's got.

1114
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: It's refreshing, it's refreshing. It's refreshing to see in this

1115
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: game because a lot of the game is, uh, you know,

1116
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: every everybody kind of does thing the same way. And

1117
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: you know, he's not not not not afraid to be different.

1118
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: And I think probably over time you combine that ability

1119
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: of not not not being afraid to be different, but

1120
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: combining that with the ability to to learn from others

1121
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 2: and to learn that you know, there there are other

1122
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: guys that can that can really help him evolve as

1123
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: a player, combining his knowledge with their knowledge, and he

1124
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: can he can be he could be pretty special.

1125
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's gonna be a really good pro

1126
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: for a really long time. So much so much talent. Uh.

1127
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: So I talked with you know, my buddies on the

1128
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: mid Am Circuit, which I like to call the Loser Tour,

1129
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: and uh and we talk about you know guys that

1130
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: made it and you know why we're sitting playing at

1131
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: some local Muni on a weekend, and uh, one thing

1132
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: we always come back to is like this irrational confidence

1133
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: that all these guys have. Do you do you think

1134
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: that that is? You know, part of it, Like this

1135
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: just unbelievable self belief.

1136
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: I think it's it's it's it's the confidence in their ability.

1137
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: And it's the one of the neatest things that is

1138
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: that I've seen. Even walking around with Jordan Speed last

1139
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: week to practice around him, his self talk is so impressive.

1140
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you probably hear he's a little

1141
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: emotion when he talked to himself, and he talks to

1142
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 2: Michael Scotty quite a bit on the on the golf course,

1143
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 2: but his self talk will never ever talk badly about

1144
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: about himself. He has the utmost belief.

1145
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: You know.

1146
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: I had a pretty good feeling he was gonna have

1147
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: a great week last week because he fled out set.

1148
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I love these dreams, and those those dreams

1149
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: last week were awesome. There were some of the worst

1150
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: dreams I've ever seen. They were it was wet, it

1151
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: was their plan, they were bouncing, they were buppy. But

1152
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 2: he loved that because he knows he's a great putter

1153
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: and he fled out said, Hey, if I missed the

1154
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: button this week, I know it's not me. I know

1155
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: he's just a dream and that that sounds arrogant, but

1156
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: it's honestly, it's a it's a factual statement in his mind.

1157
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: It's the way he believes. And so I think that's

1158
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: that's the thing. You've got to have that positive self

1159
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: talk and and and and and the concepts and and

1160
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: never you know, never beating yourself up, never telling yourself

1161
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: you're you're not any not any good at anything. And

1162
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: that's something that is I wish I had that always. Uh,

1163
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: the best players I've ever coached, whether it's been Patrick

1164
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: reed Or or hind At Norlander or John Peterson or

1165
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: Telegraft or guys that just had successful college careers, Uh,

1166
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: they all had one thing in common that they believe

1167
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: that they're twice as good as they really are. Unfortunately,

1168
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: I believe that I was half as good as I

1169
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: really was, and that's about that's a bad quality. And

1170
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: that's why I was never as good a player as

1171
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: I could have been. And that's why these guys are

1172
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: really good. And that's not arrogant. I mean, you can

1173
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: have east Embardley you've got to believe you're the best

1174
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: out there. You've got to be selfish, and you've got

1175
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: to be selfish with your time because it's a there's

1176
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: a lot going on out there. If you're not selfish

1177
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: with your time, it would be easy to get to

1178
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: get splayed in a lot of pulls in a lot

1179
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: of different directions.

1180
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, my my goal this year in tournament play is

1181
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: to never once tell myself I suck.

1182
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: So you know, good luck with that one. I do

1183
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 2: that about every about every other hole, every hole. That's

1184
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: that's a tough truth. If you tell yourself that, then

1185
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: you're eventually gonna believe it. And that's uh, it's just

1186
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: it's it's a standard line, but it's it's the truth.

1187
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: You've got to and that's uh, the biggest one of

1188
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: my biggest, biggest jobs of these guys coaches is there's

1189
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: a lot of us the middle side involved with it.

1190
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: And especially if i'm you know, I've ever caddy in

1191
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: but definitely, you know, definitely telling these guys constantly you

1192
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: know how good they are. Yes, you've got to be

1193
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: critical and you've got up you've got to point out

1194
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: what they've what they've got to work on. But Uh,

1195
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: one of the things I've always tried to stand by

1196
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 2: as a coach is is when you're coaching, when you're

1197
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: when you're giving a guy the structural criticism, you better

1198
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: point out the positive first. You point out the positive

1199
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: positive first, then you can point out the negative. If

1200
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: you point out the negative first, they never hear the positive.

1201
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: You can tell it. You can tell a kid, hey,

1202
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: you you putt it, you put it really well, you

1203
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: put it great today, really really proud of it, you know,

1204
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: but you know, well, we've gotta what we've gotta work.

1205
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: When you're you're chipping a little bit today, Well, they

1206
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 2: they they hear that part. They hear the negative. If

1207
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: we start with the negative first, they never hear the positive. Yeah,

1208
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: And that's a firm believer in that that you've got

1209
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: to got to build a guy out before you before

1210
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: you can never kind of bring him bring him down

1211
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: a little bit to make him realize what he's got

1212
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: to do to get better.

1213
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: So, uh, you've touched on Henrik Norlander a couple of times,

1214
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: and you know, I've heard this leg and that he

1215
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: might be like one of the ten best ball strikers

1216
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: in the world.

1217
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: Oh, that that's a you know, that's that's I wouldn't

1218
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: argue with that. Uh, he's like a second son to me.

1219
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: I coached him Upson College for four years and uh

1220
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: still I would consider myself one of his coaches, but

1221
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: mainly just just one of a really really close friend

1222
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: of his and we we talk. You know, it seems

1223
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: like almost daily. We're really close. And he's he can

1224
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: do things with a golf ball and I've seen very

1225
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: very few do. He's very impressive from Tea Green. Uh.

1226
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 2: And now he's started he's starting to starting to really

1227
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: develop around the greens as well. And his cutting that

1228
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: is getting is getting so much better, and he's got

1229
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: a much better, uh way of practice. And he's done

1230
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 2: some great work with the ramone Wisconsin the perfect putter

1231
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: and and done some really good work. And as a

1232
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: kind of a play with with what he with what

1233
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 2: he's doing now with his cutting, and he's getting getting better. Obviously,

1234
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 2: that show just showed with his results this year showed

1235
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: with his with his loss in the playoff. But let's

1236
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: and I expect him to look good things to him

1237
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: because he could from Peter Green, he's as good, he's

1238
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: as good as I've ever seen and uh, one of

1239
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: the one of the few guys in the world that

1240
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: I've ever been able to see it hit flight, it cuts,

1241
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: and most guys that that hit that it cuts hits

1242
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: them all the way up in the air. And he

1243
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: can actually slide it down and control it with the fade.

1244
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: And it's uh, it's pretty it's pretty uh pretty specional watch.

1245
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: And he's he's started to be able to take take

1246
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: his game at home and take his game on the

1247
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: range to the actual course because he's always, you know,

1248
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: he's always had a little trouble kind of letting it

1249
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: go and playing without fear. And now that he's starting

1250
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: to understand how to let it go. And then that

1251
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 2: that comes from comes results. When you start having results,

1252
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: at least the confidence, and then there's you can work

1253
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: where you can work as hard as you want and

1254
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: effectively as you want, but if you never have results,

1255
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: it's hard to have have confidence or full confidence. And uh,

1256
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: he started to get that. And hopefully he can get

1257
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: a few more starts in this year and and lock

1258
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: up a store card, which would be pretty quite an

1259
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: accomplishment without having any status this year. And but he

1260
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 2: he he started to believe that he knows. He's always

1261
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: known he can win out there. I've always known he

1262
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: can went out there, but quite honestly, it was it

1263
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: was almost a little bit of false belief because he

1264
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 2: really hadn't had any results to back it up. And

1265
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: then now, you know, finishing second and see all and

1266
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: ever since then, it's kind of changed his whole mentality

1267
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: and whole belief and and now he has that validation

1268
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: to say, hey, I can get it done on Sunday

1269
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: when it really matters. And I think you know, once

1270
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: he's in that position again, he's going to close the door.

1271
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he uh, he almost pulled that that

1272
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: thing off. That's kind of a crazy tournament out there.

1273
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I still think if in that playoff, if you

1274
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 2: could have found a way to hit that six iron

1275
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: on on the green instead of in the bucker, that

1276
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: have been a good chance he might if anybody want

1277
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: that outride, We're definitely put a little bit more pressure

1278
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: on this guy's trying to get that down and especially

1279
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: being the last one to hit. But he did a

1280
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: good shot, just came up and yard short and made

1281
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: a good bucker shot and then it hit a great

1282
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Speaker 2: bucker shot just didn't make the putt, but there'll be

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Speaker 2: a lot more chances for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like thirty degrees, so it had to

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00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: be I mean for those guys picking the yardage figured

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Speaker 1: it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really kind of kind of a gift.

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Speaker 1: So you know with Patrick Red, you know, he's he

1289
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: hasn't you know, really been in contention in a major.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's just you know, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: only four tournaments a year. You know, is there anything

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00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: that you know he needs to do, uh, you know,

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00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: to work on to really get you know, where he's

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00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: in the thick of it in a major, because it

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Speaker 1: seems to be that's the last piece of his career.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's are a and he's young still, but

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Speaker 1: you know that's the one glaring missing part of his resume.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at it, he had he had

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Speaker 2: his best two finishes in in a major last year.

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00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: He finished finished camp at the British Open, then he

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00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: finished camp at eleven at the British Open in the PGA,

1302
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 2: and those were those were his two best finishes ever

1303
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: in a major. So that was a that was a

1304
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: step in the right direction. But no, that's just you know,

1305
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: honestly hasn't played in it. I mean then that just

1306
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: takes uh the wall, getting getting comfortable getting that position.

1307
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Speaker 2: But he will have He will have plenty of major successes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't. He lives with that moment. He

1309
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: lives for the Ryder Cup. You can't perform, uh like

1310
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: he has in the in the Ryder Cup and had

1311
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Speaker 2: the consistency that that he had last year and until

1312
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Speaker 2: won five times. Uh, that's just the next step. That's

1313
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: just the next step is getting in contention with majors

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Speaker 2: and uh, he will win his fair share when when

1315
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: it's all said and done. But I know that's a

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00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: big priority of his and he would definitely get that done.

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Speaker 1: When when you're doing practice drills and you're competing against them,

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Speaker 1: you know is you know what, what's it like competing

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Speaker 1: against Patrick Reed?

1320
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Speaker 2: You're not gonna win very often. So that's one thing.

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00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: Now he's he's the ultimate competitor. I mean, he he

1322
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: hates He probably hates losing more than he loves winning.

1323
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: And I think that's a that's a trade of a

1324
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: lot of great guys. They hate they hate to lose

1325
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: so badly that they're just gonna find a way to win.

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Speaker 2: And that's why he's so good in the in the

1327
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Speaker 2: in the Ryder Cup for matter, and then he former

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Speaker 2: match play for mat because he he just he just

1329
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: he just loves to beat you and he's just going

1330
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: to find a way to step on you when when

1331
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: he's got you, and he's never going to give up.

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Speaker 2: He might have a bad hole here here there, but

1333
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Speaker 2: that he's the guy that wants the ball at the

1334
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Speaker 2: end of the game. He's the guy that wants the

1335
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Speaker 2: last shot. He's the guy that wants to wants the

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01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: football was under two minutes with a chance to win

1337
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: the game. And that's that's that's why he will that's

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Speaker 2: had so much success as a Ryder cupper and and

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Speaker 2: I think over time he'll go down is one of

1340
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: the greatest Ryder Cup players of all time because he's

1341
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: his match play record is his phenomenal, whether it's been

1342
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: in in junior golf, amateur golf, and college roff he

1343
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: went six and oh and and match play and you've

1344
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: seen the success that he's had in the Ryder Cup

1345
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: and President's Cup, and I think it's all only going

1346
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: to get better because he truly just lives for that moment.

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01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's turned into an American legend because

1348
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: of because of the Ryder Cup. I mean, like you said,

1349
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Speaker 1: you know, he he wanted Rory McElroy when McElroy's playing

1350
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: probably the best some of the best go off of

1351
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Speaker 1: his career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty pretty incredible two matches Nichols Nicholson

1353
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: Sergio match and then the Rory and Rorans and Patrick

1354
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: match for about that as good as golf can can

1355
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: be played on that day. It was pretty h off

1356
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Speaker 2: off of special stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he uh, he'll be the time that that will

1359
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: want to play five five matches every every Ryder Cup

1360
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: and he participates in it'll he'll never he'll never want

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01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: to sit out. I can function that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, it was. It was cool. I

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Speaker 1: think that you definitely. I feel like that Phil Sergio

1364
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 1: match just got got so overshadowed by the Rory Reid match.

1365
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: But you know, that match was so insanely good. It

1366
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: probably you know, it seemed like Reid and Mathlroy wore

1367
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: each other out by like holy eight and but that

1368
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: match was just eighteen holes of unbelievable golf.

1369
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was probably the best time scene

1370
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: definitely in that format anyway.

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Speaker 1: Already after birdy, So we'll get you out of here

1372
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Speaker 1: because I know it's it's it's a tournament week. You

1373
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: got tomorrow's the first round, so you probably got your

1374
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: phones probably ringing off the hook. But so with last

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Speaker 1: question from Twitter, what could amateurs learn most from, you know,

1376
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: the games of professionals, Like, you know, what what can

1377
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: average average you know, take away from watching a PGA

1378
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: Tour event or you know, watching a specific player at

1379
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 1: at an event.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing they can do is just

1381
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: just watch how they manage, watch how they manage the

1382
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: golf course, watch how they play play the game, and

1383
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: then never, you know, very rarely, very rarely do they

1384
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: put themselves in trouble. They know when to take chances

1385
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: with the right clubs. Again, they know when their wedges.

1386
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: They're pretty much faring at every flag with you know, seven,

1387
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: six R and five iron. They're trying to hit it

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01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: to twenty thirty thirty feet for the most part and

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01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: make the parts and move on. But I think you

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Speaker 2: the one of the things that I think is really

1391
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: really special to watch for guys, and what I've really

1392
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: my guys over and over and over again. It is

1393
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: getting you know, is around the greens and getting the

1394
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: basic shots up and down. You don't have to get

1395
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 2: you know, the best, the best guys of the best

1396
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: short games in the world. They don't always get it

1397
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: up and down. They don't get the artisans up and

1398
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: down all the time. But if you watch how they

1399
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: chip and pitch the ball and the basic ones, the

1400
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: easy ones, they chip it, the tap in the chip,

1401
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: you know, it looks like it's going in all the time.

1402
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's something that is very you know, underrated,

1403
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: is getting the basic ones up and down to where

1404
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: there's no stress, you know, chipping it to where it's

1405
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 2: tap in. Uh, that's how you develop a sound short game. Yes,

1406
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: it's nice to hit the super up shot, the hardins,

1407
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 2: get those, get those closed. But honestly, those guys are

1408
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 2: when when they have a super tough shot, they're just

1409
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: trying to to you know, give themselves a chance to

1410
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 2: make a putt. But the basic ones, they look at

1411
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: those of scoring opportunities and and you know, quite honestly,

1412
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: amateur whether it's juniors, whether it's college players, you know,

1413
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: high handicappers, low handicappers, making successful mid ends. Whatever it

1414
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: may be, you can't stress the value of spending spending

1415
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: enough time around the greens. I mean, if you if

1416
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: you have an hour to practice, I mean, what does

1417
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: everybody do that go to the range. They hit as

1418
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: many balls as they can, They wind up hitting you know,

1419
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 2: way too many drivers, and they really don't do anything

1420
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: that really got them better, where they would be much

1421
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 2: better off spending half their time on the range and

1422
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: half the time shipping, pitching and putting and really getting better.

1423
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 2: And again, I have a simple theory if you could

1424
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: try to find a way to spend equal time in

1425
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 2: all four four years of the game. If you're going

1426
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: to practice for for two hours, if you spend thirty

1427
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: minutes on the range, thirty minutes shipping, pitching, bunkering, thirty

1428
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: minutes putting in thirty minutes with your distance wedges, and

1429
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty hard not to improve. It sounds very simple,

1430
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: very dumb down, but honestly it's That's the first question

1431
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: I asked everybody when I when I when I start,

1432
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: you know, when I start working them with them, I

1433
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: asking one question, I say, how when's the last time

1434
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: you spend equally equal time working in all faces of

1435
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: the game, and most of the time, nobody's ever been

1436
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: able to answer that with yeah, I do that all

1437
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: the time, or i've or i've even ever done that.

1438
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: I know I haven't, and I know most most of

1439
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 2: even the best players in the world haven't. But why don't, like,

1440
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 2: if those are the four main areas of the game,

1441
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 2: why wouldn't we spend equal time in those? Sounds very

1442
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: dumb and dumb down, but it's, uh, it's the way

1443
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 2: I wish, I wish I would have practiced.

1444
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, uh, I think I practiced much smarter

1445
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: now than when I was younger. And I always think about, man,

1446
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: if I spend as much time, you know, or at

1447
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: least the percentages I spend now on putting in short game,

1448
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: that when I was a kid, I would have been

1449
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: so much better.

1450
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, and again, and I guarantee you don't spend

1451
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: as much time in technique as well, because you don't

1452
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: have the time. And and I think that's that's the

1453
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: area where I think that we see the biggest the

1454
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 2: fallout is just we get so obsessed with technique and

1455
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: trying to perfect something that is really really it's not

1456
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: attainable and as opposed to to the shot making, the

1457
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: random andes surpprise, just the competitiveness, the practice and really

1458
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 2: doing things that are going to develop trust, develop confidence

1459
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: that's going to carry that's actually going to transfer to

1460
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: the golf course. Because yes, yes, the technique work is

1461
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: important and you have to do that, but that doesn't

1462
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: guarantee it's going to transfer to the golf course. Because

1463
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: when you're on the first team and in your nerve,

1464
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: you're nervous, and you've got people around or maybe just

1465
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 2: playing with your buddies at your home course, you better

1466
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: have something to fall back on and done enough competitive

1467
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: practice and done enough rehearsals that hey, I feel like

1468
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 2: I could pull the shot off.

1469
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's this. The smartest way is

1470
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: just spend time everywhere and become more well rounded. But hey,

1471
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Speaker 1: you know, really appreciate the time. And it was awesome

1472
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: to pick your brain and get to kind of nerd

1473
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: out about golf with you for for an hour.

1474
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Speaker 2: Well, I love it.

1475
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 3: I love I'm so blessed of what I get to

1476
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 3: do and love love love making guys better and it's

1477
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: it's my passion and I'm thankful to have an awesome

1478
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 3: life and awesome kids that allow me to be on

1479
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 3: the road a.

1480
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 2: Lot of the time, because if I didn't have that,

1481
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: I sure wouldn't be able to do it. So it's

1482
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: cool and love hoping my guys get better and hopefully

1483
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 2: even better things for coming.

1484
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll stay in touch and look forward to

1485
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: meet you at at one of these events. Sometimes sounds great.

1486
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me, I really appreciate it.