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Speaker 1: And we welcome you back into our homes for another

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Speaker 1: episode of the best podcast available on Jason Gibbs alongside

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gribble. We are officially one week away from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, one week from tonight. It is night number

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Speaker 1: one and it's a big night. A lot on the table.

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Speaker 1: The Browns currently sit at the number ten pick. We'll

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Speaker 1: We're we finally turned the corner here. The uniforms have

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Speaker 1: Those schedule yet, but the draft is officially upon us

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Speaker 1: and it's go time. From a draft standpoint, in that

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Speaker 1: We're getting some draft rumors about guys maybe falling in

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Speaker 1: I think we've all wrapped our heads around that this

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Speaker 1: I could think back to a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: I mean, really that the guy we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: Brad Mellon, our good friend, our co worker and the

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Speaker 1: First off, this might be the trending story this week

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Speaker 1: about the potential drop of two a tagle violo in

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Speaker 1: the draft. You have Justin Herbert going ahead of him.

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Speaker 1: That's the first one and the second one. This is

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Speaker 1: another riser out there is C. J. Henderson. You've got

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Speaker 1: him going ninth to the Jaguars, which I think most

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Speaker 1: have had him in the middle of a round. What

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Speaker 1: how did you ape that top ten? And with the

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Speaker 1: way that that ended up coming out? Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: think when when I was leaving the combine um and

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Speaker 1: talking to teams about okay, well, how how to his

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Speaker 1: medicals go? UM, I received kind of the same responses.

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Speaker 1: They were all, you know, cautiously optimistic, but none of

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Speaker 1: them were like, oh, he nailed it. You know, we're good,

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Speaker 1: perfectly fine. You know, there there's a level of uncertainty there, UM,

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Speaker 1: and that's where you know, he might still go five

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Speaker 1: or six or you know, in that top six range.

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Speaker 1: There's still a very good chance he could. He could

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Speaker 1: be the second quarterback drafted. It just comes down to

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Speaker 1: and I think this will be the storyline of the

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Speaker 1: first round, is to uh and where he ends up.

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Speaker 1: And we just don't know how each team their comfort level,

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Speaker 1: their appetite for risk, and you know they're with their medicals.

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Speaker 1: UH Staff is saying about to his injuries, not only

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Speaker 1: his past injuries, but his future potential for injury and

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Speaker 1: how his body is going to hold up. So that's

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Speaker 1: something where each doctor is going to have their own opinion,

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Speaker 1: each training staff, um, now each team, you know, they

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Speaker 1: could receive the same medical info but then have different

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Speaker 1: opinions about whether or not he's worth the pick, uh,

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Speaker 1: just based on their appetite for risks. So trying to

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Speaker 1: project to AH is just really really impossible, and it's

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Speaker 1: just really tough at this point. Uh So, but I

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Speaker 1: still think there's a good chance he goes top six.

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Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be surprising if Herbert goes ahead of

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Speaker 1: UH to A And it just comes down to risk

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Speaker 1: verse reward, and I think two is a better player,

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Speaker 1: higher reward, but Herbert has a lot less risk. And

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Speaker 1: so it just comes down to each team and whether

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Speaker 1: they're willing to pull the trigger there. And it will

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Speaker 1: be really interesting to see how it plays out, especially

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Speaker 1: if two it falls out of the top six. If

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Speaker 1: that happens, it's anybody's guess where he falls. With the

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville at nine, would they be interested? You know, Gardner Minshew,

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Speaker 1: They're they're kind of moving forward with him for a year. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then if he gets past nine, the Raiders at twelve,

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Speaker 1: you know, could uh could the Patriots be interested at

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Speaker 1: twenty three. There's so much intrigue with two. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: especially if it's out of the gets out of that

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Speaker 1: top six, things will really start to get interesting with

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Speaker 1: where he's going to end up. So um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at c. J. Henderson as well, Uh,

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Speaker 1: most people believe Jeff Okuda the top corner. He's the

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Speaker 1: prototype which you're looking for with the size, the length,

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Speaker 1: his ability to cover up and down the field. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to like about Jeff okudah stepping in

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Speaker 1: and competing for a number one corner role on an

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Speaker 1: NFL roster, and C. J. Henderson he's not too far behind. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, my my main issues with c. J. Henderson

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Speaker 1: is he's not a very good tackler. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't need your corners to be all pro tacklers,

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Speaker 1: you just need them to be reliable. And he's not

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Speaker 1: there at that point yet. And then I just wish

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Speaker 1: you were a better playmaker at the catch point in

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Speaker 1: terms of getting his head turned, finding the football, making

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Speaker 1: plays on the ball. It's something that he doesn't do

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Speaker 1: at a high clip all the time, and so he

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Speaker 1: needs to get better in that area. But still, when

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a six one athlete with his type

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Speaker 1: of athletic skill, those guys don't last long. And so

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Speaker 1: I think you look at Jacksonville, they need a corner,

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Speaker 1: they need upgrades in the secondary. That's an option. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if we see a team like the

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Speaker 1: Falcons trade up, maybe take it one of these corners.

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Speaker 1: I know the Cowboys love C. J. Henderson as seventeen,

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Speaker 1: I just don't think he's gonna get that far. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a trend with some of

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Speaker 1: these corners. Even a J. Terrell from Clemson, we could

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Speaker 1: see him maybe go earlier than some people expect because

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Speaker 1: the size, the speed, the length, that's what teams are

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Speaker 1: looking for the position. I think the most intriguing point

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Speaker 1: in the draft that you have with the Browns is

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Speaker 1: in the second round, where where there at at number

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Speaker 1: forty one and you have them going with Jeremy Chin,

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Speaker 1: the safety from a smaller school. Uh, maybe more of

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Speaker 1: an operator guy over a guy like Grant Delpitt, the

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Speaker 1: Thorpe board winner, big name l s U national champion.

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Speaker 1: Kind of walked me through that process obviously, there you

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Speaker 1: both think they're pretty good if they're going for two?

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Speaker 1: But what what? What what about that drove your decision

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Speaker 1: toward maybe the lesser known but rising Jeremy Chin. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think it probably just comes down to preference,

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Speaker 1: kind of like these tackles. Uh, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's a clear census better guy. It just comes

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Speaker 1: down to, uh, you know, you have to look past

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Speaker 1: the decal obviously. You know, if all things are equal,

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Speaker 1: you you probably are leaning towards the l s U

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Speaker 1: player compared to the Southern Illinois player, just because you've

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Speaker 1: seen him do it against talk competition week out a

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Speaker 1: weekend week out. Where Jeremy Chinn at Southern Illinois doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have that playing at the FCS level, But I

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Speaker 1: think some things with Chin that really intrigued teams. First

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Speaker 1: of all, the versatility. He actually started at corner uh

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Speaker 1: for a couple of games last year as a junior,

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Speaker 1: so he has that experience where he's a ranging player,

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Speaker 1: can run the alley, but can also drop be a

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Speaker 1: single high player, can play man coverage. The six three

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Speaker 1: two twenty pound body. You know, he looks the part

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Speaker 1: and he's been productive. Uh, he had at least three

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Speaker 1: interceptions in each of the last four years that he

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Speaker 1: was at Southern Illinois. So a lot to like about

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Chin and how he fits at the next level.

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Speaker 1: Just there's a little bit of projection there because he

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Speaker 1: is coming from a lower level, where with Grant Delpit, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, he does have that big brand on his

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Speaker 1: scutting report coming from the SEC, coming from l s U.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you look at some of the mis

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Speaker 1: tackles and that's going to be an issue for a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams, especially when you know you're you're the safety,

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Speaker 1: You're the last line of defense on several plays and

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Speaker 1: if you're not able to make the tackle, the open

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Speaker 1: field tackle, that could lead the points. And so that's

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Speaker 1: going to be a sticking point for a lot of teams.

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Speaker 1: Grant Delpitt could still go first round somewhere in the

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Speaker 1: late first round, just because he does have the cover awareness,

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Speaker 1: he has a range, the size, the ball skills. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of things to like about Grant Helpit. It's

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Speaker 1: just not not everybody's going to have that first round

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Speaker 1: great on him because of the poor tackling and because

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Speaker 1: of some of the injuries he had this past year.

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Speaker 1: Now with the remainder of the Browns picks, you hit

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Speaker 1: a lot of positions that I think we've talked about

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Speaker 1: a lot on this podcast because their positions of need.

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Speaker 1: You've got linebacker, edge, wide, receiver, corner, tight end. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to go over all these guys that

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Speaker 1: you've identified. But what about those position groups make sense

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Speaker 1: for the Browns in the later rounds? And are they

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Speaker 1: getting good value in those rounds with those positions? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think so, And I think this UH, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: I think this draft works out really really well for UH.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously you want a draft for talent, not

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Speaker 1: necessarily need. But I think this draft really plays out

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Speaker 1: fairly well, UH when you talk about both need and talent,

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Speaker 1: because if they do end up going tackle in the

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Speaker 1: first round, safety in the second round, because I think

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Speaker 1: tackle that's the sweet spot for the in the first round.

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Speaker 1: The second round sweet spot is going to be safety.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna see four maybe five safety is going to

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Speaker 1: second round. And then I think linebacker is a position

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Speaker 1: in the third round that I think, UH provides a

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Speaker 1: lot of depth. Whether it's a King Davis Gaither from

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Speaker 1: app State, I have Jordan Brooks going to the Browns

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Speaker 1: in the third round. He might go earlier than that,

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Speaker 1: he could go in the second round. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think Logan Wilson from Wyoming one of my personal

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Speaker 1: favorite players in this draft. So I think linebacker provides

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Speaker 1: excellent depth. On Day two, a lot of different directions

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Speaker 1: they could oh, um, you know, I think the addresser position. Um,

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Speaker 1: if they want to go add some more depth on

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Speaker 1: the edges, Travis Gibson from Tulsa, the guy that was

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Speaker 1: really productive, performed really well at his pro day, one

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Speaker 1: of the few pro days that actually happened. They could

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Speaker 1: look at that direction in the third of the fourth round.

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Speaker 1: And if they want to add some more wide receiver depth, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think this is the draft to do it,

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Speaker 1: because you're going to have third round receivers going the fourth,

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Speaker 1: fourth round receivers going the fifth. Just because the sheer

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Speaker 1: volume of talent in this class. Uh, it's just there's

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Speaker 1: not enough spots for them all to go where they

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Speaker 1: should And so teams looking for value at the position

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Speaker 1: where they don't necessarily have to address the position in

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Speaker 1: the first two three rounds, but if they want to

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Speaker 1: add quality depth, they can end up getting some pretty

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting values on day three, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: what I have them doing in the fourth round, taking

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Speaker 1: Donovan's Donovan People Jones from Michigan, who is a freak athlete,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, almost six to fifteen pounds, ran well,

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Speaker 1: jumped outstanding forty four and a half inch vert. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot to like about People's Jones as a talent.

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Speaker 1: Uh never had a hundred hundred yard receiving game at Michigan,

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Speaker 1: which is obviously a red flag. The production was not there,

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Speaker 1: but I think there are a lot of factors that

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Speaker 1: go into that. He's still a really good talent that

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Speaker 1: in the fourth round, that's the type of guy that

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Speaker 1: you take a chance on. So I think on day three,

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Speaker 1: if they want to gamble on a receiver, gamble on

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Speaker 1: a corner. I also have them taking John Reid at

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Speaker 1: a Penn State That would make some sense as well.

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Speaker 1: A very good, undersized but a very good athlete who

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Speaker 1: can play on the outside, play on the inside. So

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Speaker 1: I think the Browns are set up well in this draft. Alright,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna end on this because I know when we

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Speaker 1: whenever we asked this question, we're like, who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers of this draft where they're waiting in

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Speaker 1: the green room, or who's gonna be the Brady Quinn.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a green room this year, so we

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Speaker 1: won't have that kind of drama, so I won't use quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna be the Cleaning Ferrell of this draft that

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Speaker 1: goes way higher than anyone expects? And then who is

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Speaker 1: going to be the Reuben Randall of this draft that

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Speaker 1: just falls away farther than than anyone would have made anticipate. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: the guy that would go higher, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: we already talked about him with C. J. Henderson. I

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Speaker 1: think you know, we're not talking enough about him as

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Speaker 1: a top ten player, uh in this draft. And I

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Speaker 1: think when you look at the cornerback position, uh, it's

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Speaker 1: arguably a top three position on your roster behind quarterback

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Speaker 1: and edge rusher. So I might even argue it's a

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Speaker 1: number two. So if you find an athlete that is

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Speaker 1: six one with length that could run um and talking

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Speaker 1: to C. J. Henderson's high school coaches, they said he's

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Speaker 1: a better track athlete in high school than he was

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Speaker 1: even a football player. So there's a lot of ability there,

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Speaker 1: and so I think because of those reasons, C J.

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Speaker 1: Henderson could be that player that goes a lot higher

644
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Speaker 1: than people are talking about, and then a player that

645
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: might drop a little bit. Uh. You know, I think

646
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: part of this, I think there's a few different answers here.

647
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Speaker 1: Part of it is the position they play, you know,

648
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Speaker 1: looking at running back. You know, I think for a

649
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of mock drafts they have DeAndre

650
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: Swift really high, Johnthon Taylor e really high. It's just

651
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Speaker 1: hard to find those landing spots in the first round

652
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Speaker 1: for those backs. And so I think we could see

653
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Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift fall out of the top forty, Jonathan Taylor,

654
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Speaker 1: same type of thing, just because we don't have those

655
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Speaker 1: those obvious landing spots. And if we don't have some

656
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Speaker 1: trade ups, then that's where I think the backs could

657
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Speaker 1: suffer a little bit. And for a team looking for

658
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Speaker 1: a running back in the second round, I think they're

659
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: gonna get some excellent depth at that point. Um. And

660
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Speaker 1: then I also I had mentioned um Javon Kinlaw, the

661
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle from South Carolina, as a player who the

662
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: talent is there. It just there seems, you know, there's

663
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Speaker 1: some medical stuff going on. Uh, it's more potential than production.

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Speaker 1: You only had six tackles for a lost last year.

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Speaker 1: I think most people would argue he could be a

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Speaker 1: top ten talent in this class, and he might end

667
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Speaker 1: up be when we end up being in the top

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Speaker 1: ten on draft night, or even when we look back

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Speaker 1: at this draft as being maybe one of the top

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Speaker 1: ten players. But there's still some doubt out there about

671
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Speaker 1: the medicals, like I said, and you know, the lack

672
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Speaker 1: of production and is he going to is he going

673
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: to reach his ceiling as a player, and so because

674
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Speaker 1: of that, you know, maybe he does fall outside the

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Speaker 1: top twenty picks or something like that. I think that's

676
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Speaker 1: that's definitely a possibility that maybe we're not talking enough about.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, We've already got our copies of the Beast.

678
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Speaker 1: I know our die hard listeners do too, But how

679
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Speaker 1: do people get their hands on one before the draft?

680
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: Just be a subscriber to the Athletic Um and you know,

681
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: if you know, we've got yearly subscriptions, monthly subscriptions, we've

682
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: got a free trial going on right now. So um,

683
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Speaker 1: I'll even do a sign up and you know, if

684
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Speaker 1: if you like the NFL draft at all. I mean,

685
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Speaker 1: I promise you won't be disappointed. That's easiest sell I

686
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: can make. It's got everything you want in there. We

687
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: might not agree on every player. I'm not not gonna

688
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Speaker 1: pay every player, right, That's not my goal. Uh. My

689
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: goal is just to do the best most research possible

690
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Speaker 1: to find to let you know exactly who each player is.

691
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Speaker 1: And so when the Browns draft a player you've never

692
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Speaker 1: heard of in the sixth round, you can go to

693
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Speaker 1: the guide to find out exactly everything you need to

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Speaker 1: know about him. Uh. That that's the goal every year

695
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Speaker 1: with the with the with the Draft guy, and so

696
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Speaker 1: hopefully people check it out and I think the like

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Speaker 1: what they have to see. Thanks again to Dan Brugler.

698
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Speaker 1: He will join us throughout the week next week, and

699
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Speaker 1: of course we'll recap the draft with us on the

700
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Speaker 1: best podcast available in the week or two leading our

701
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Speaker 1: after the two thousand and twenty NFL Draft. I'm Jason

702
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: gives alongside Andrew Gribble. Gribbs your biggest takeaways from Mr

703
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: Brugler here today one week out from the draft. Now,

704
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: I know he didn't project it, but I think he

705
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: is of the belief that to of could be on

706
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: the slide, and for him to have Justin Herbert going

707
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: ahead of twa uh indicates that. And another thing that

708
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: maybe caught me by surprise a little bit was the pick,

709
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Speaker 1: because we've heard his thoughts on Jedderick Wills before. Him

710
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: going with Beckton over Jeddrick Wills kind of surprised me

711
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I think we truly have no

712
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: idea how the grounds or any team ranks these four

713
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Speaker 1: big left tackles in the draft, but uh, an endorsement

714
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Speaker 1: from McKay Beckton, even though I believe we've had Dana

715
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: on before telling us that Wills is his favorite guy

716
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: in the entire draft, So I'm wondering what he's hearing

717
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: behind the scenes that makes him think that Wills will

718
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Speaker 1: go third among the four. The other interesting note that

719
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: came out in draft circles on Wednesday was Andrew Thomas

720
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: his name moving up and him shooting up the board

721
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Speaker 1: and potentially being the first tackle off the draft, which

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Speaker 1: is which is something that I had not heard prior

723
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Speaker 1: to say. I don't think you had either, uh, And

724
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's an agent hyping up or

725
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: a team trying to float that out there, but some

726
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: interesting things coming out. As it relates to Andrew Thomas, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say he's not always the fourth of the four,

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Speaker 1: but he's definitely not usually the first, and he definitely

729
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: slides more towards that third or fourth range and most projections.

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Speaker 1: But again it's more of a reflection of you know

731
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Speaker 1: what what people really don't know. And I think in

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00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 1: most years Andrew Thomas would be the number one tackle

733
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Speaker 1: in the draft. And I think he's he played at

734
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: Georgia a successful career, looks like a left tackle. I mean,

735
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna be a good player. So I

736
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Speaker 1: don't think I would be too too surprised. It would

737
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: just show that US people that make mock drafts for

738
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Speaker 1: five months really don't know what we're talking about. Good news,

739
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Speaker 1: I will be doing a seven round mock next week.

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00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: Rumor has it, I believe you might be girl will be.

741
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Speaker 1: Let's just go with that. Looking forward to doing that

742
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Speaker 1: and appreciate Daane Brugler's time. UM the b p A

743
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Speaker 1: up next interview number two Zagura speaking of the devil himself.

744
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: UH had a chance to sit down with our director

745
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Speaker 1: of Equipment Operations, one of the best in the NFL

746
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: recognized by his peers as one of the best in

747
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Brad Melon with a few minutes on the

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Speaker 1: equipment change over and the new uniforms. Also joined by

749
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Speaker 1: Luke at the national sales manager from rip On Athletic,

750
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Speaker 1: and that's the company that's producing all of the jerseys

751
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: that you are trying to order as you watch or

752
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast. Some fascinating stuff behind the scenes

753
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: as it pertains to the uniforms. Have a watch, have

754
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Speaker 1: a listen. Very happy to be joined now by Brown's

755
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Speaker 1: equipment manager and former equipment Manager of the Year in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, Brad Melon, as well as Luke from rip

757
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: On Athletic, which helps work with Nike to make these jerseys.

758
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: And gentlemen, we know that this has been a long

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00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: time coming. And Brad, I'll start with you, how happy

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00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: are you that these uniforms have finally been revealed. I'm

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00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, I just Nathan, first of all, thanks for

762
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 1: having me on today. I just saw that video and

763
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: I still got goose bumps talking about it. So the

764
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: energy of trying to hold everything back and you know,

765
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: not leak anything to anybody. It's probably the hardest thing

766
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Speaker 1: to do. I love what these uniforms are all about

767
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: and couldn't be happier. Yeah, it's a return to tradition.

768
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: You look right over your shoulder. There you see the

769
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: Jim Brown that you have framed with those stripes on

770
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: the shoulder, exactly what you see on the Odell Beckham

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Speaker 1: behind me and Luke. I'll just kind of ask you

772
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Speaker 1: when you kind of go through this process, what was

773
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: the thing that you know, you guys wanted to really

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Speaker 1: help capture for the Browns. I guess when we went

775
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: through it with the help of with Nike's direction, is

776
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: they just wanted to bring it back to the good

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Speaker 1: old days of the Cleveland Browns. Make it a little

778
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: more scaled down, more simple find and not as crazy

779
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: as what they had the last couple of years. Absolutely,

780
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: and look at you. When you're an iconic franchise and

781
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: iconic brand, you want to kind of you want everybody

782
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: to look at say, yep, those are the Cleveland Browns,

783
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: and you certainly you've got that with these uniforms. I'll

784
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: ask both of you. Start with you, Brett, what's your

785
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: favorite attribute on the new uniforms? Could be anything, but

786
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: what really jumped out to you that you really liked.

787
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 1: I just like I like the striping. I like going

788
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: back to the stripe socks, the the striping patterns that

789
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: we've had in the past. UM. And really it's just

790
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: paying tribute and to all the past players, you know,

791
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: not to mention we're gonna be moving forward, but the

792
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: past players, you know, and seeing what they have worned.

793
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: Obviously we're not into the three quarter length sleeve like

794
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: we used to be back in the day. But it's

795
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: just I get goose bumps. Like I said before, I

796
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: get goose bumps talking about I love it absolutely, And

797
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: look for you, what's your favorite part of these new uniforms.

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00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: I guess from our from our standpoint, the simplicity of it,

799
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Speaker 1: whereas the last couple of years, the construction part. I

800
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: know it's odd to say, but the construction part of

801
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: this new jersey or going back to the old days

802
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: when it was with others, UM, it's much easier to process.

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00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: It's it's easier for us to do and produce for

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Speaker 1: for bread and get there in a timely manner. And

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Speaker 1: brad for you, I know that with the last uniforms,

806
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: at least initially, when you have that that multilayered uniform.

807
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: In terms of the numbers, it can be tough to

808
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: maybe get these things over pads. I know that was

809
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: a little bit an issue from an equipment manager standpoint.

810
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: These have to be right up your alley, no must,

811
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: no fuss, should be simple to help the guys be

812
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: able to get fitted the way they need to to

813
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: perform on Sundays. Yeah, and this new UH uniform system

814
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: we're in, which is called the vapor and Touchable UM,

815
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: that makes it a lot easier to to get on

816
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: the players. But to get away from that hard number

817
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: that we had in the past, it actually did take

818
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: away from the elasticity of the jersey, going back to

819
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: we have all the stretch that we need, and I

820
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: don't think people really understand how tight these jerseys are

821
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: on some of these players that we spend like twenty

822
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: minutes before the game, you know, hooking all these players

823
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Speaker 1: up and probably helping thirty plus players get into their

824
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: shoulder paths with the jersey on. So it's made it

825
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: much easier and I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, that'll

826
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Speaker 1: be good. Any behind the scenes details or anything you

827
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Speaker 1: know that you could share with our listeners and our

828
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Speaker 1: viewers here about these uniforms or what we went into

829
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: getting to this awesome final products. It goes back to, uh,

830
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Speaker 1: the simplicity of of you know, screen printing the stripes

831
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Speaker 1: on the sleeves like it was back in the day.

832
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: The last couple of years, the jersey has had sublimation

833
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: which was sort of new to the uniform market and

834
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: made it a little difficult for our production ladies and

835
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Speaker 1: production crew to make sure all the stripes lined up

836
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: and the stitching was good. So from that standpoint, it's

837
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Speaker 1: it's unique. Um, it just really cuts down on the

838
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: time for us to produce it and makes it a

839
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: little easier. Actually, it's you probably had a couple of

840
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: jerseys in the past where we had to redo them

841
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: because things weren't lined up the appropriate It's like a

842
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: two year process, so it's it's going back, you know,

843
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: we're ownership and are I call it the team management

844
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: has to place a a request in with the NFL

845
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: two years prior to this year. So two back in

846
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen, they come up with a vision,

847
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: they do their thing, and then once they share the

848
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: vision with us and then once they you know, have

849
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: everything placed in setting in stone and what they want

850
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: to do. Then the first productions of the jerseys come

851
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: out and we'll meet with with the team management down

852
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: in our equipment room. Goal or things that we we like,

853
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: things we don't like, kind of like what Luke was

854
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: talking about. Um, we did try the knit sleeve and

855
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: we just felt the screen print sleeve was the way

856
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: to go. So yeah, there's a few meetings back and forth.

857
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: But I think the hardest thing is to keep them quiet,

858
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: absolutely that and that's something and it worked, you know

859
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: because even the ones that were quote unquote leaked out

860
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: there that you saw were old designs. For example, on

861
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: the Color Rush still had Cleveland over the number, which

862
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: we know on the new Color Rush, there's nothing. I

863
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: call him the brown outs. I love those. I think

864
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: guys are gonna look fast in those, They're gonna look

865
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: sleek in those. What do you think of those new

866
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: color rushes where it really is kind of monochromatic just

867
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: the numbers around there, and I think they're I love

868
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: those ones. No. I loved him last year too, And

869
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: it was a great job by management to allow us

870
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: to work with the NFL and wear those old last year.

871
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, players love them. Yeah, but they're gonna all

872
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: three of these going forward them absolutely, absolutely, I can't help.

873
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: But notice also, Brad, you're wearing the new draft hat.

874
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Uh and a collaboration obviously with New Era. What do

875
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: you think of these new draft hats bringing back the

876
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: Alpha which everybody loves Brownie the Elephant, and those things

877
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: look sharp. Yeah, they do. Um, Brownie the Alpha, and

878
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm so happy he is back and he's involved, gonna

879
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: be seeing some of that stuff on the sideline. But

880
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: new Where did a great job. I think it's probably

881
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: one of the best draft hats they've made up the

882
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: nine forty. It's a stretch snap back and they also

883
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: have the fitted um as well as the fitted look

884
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: with a snap back as well. So now I love

885
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: him and I'll make sure you get on two when

886
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: I get back in the office. Yes, sign me up.

887
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting that thing, getting that on

888
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: the old noodle. Here we listen when we got we

889
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: go out now and our few times we get to

890
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: go out of the house, walk around the neighbor who

891
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: want to sound protect, you know, protected from the sun.

892
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: Hopefully the sun will come to Cleveland, will return, and

893
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: that would have nothing looks better than that one. They're

894
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: uh luke in all your time with dealing with jerseys

895
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: and anything, have you heard of anybody doing what the

896
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Browns are doing in terms of, you know, donating all

897
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: of the proceeds that they get from the sales of

898
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: these new uniforms to COVID nineteen relief. No, I'm not aware. Um,

899
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to all the other equipment managers, but

900
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: I am not aware of anybody else. But that's outstanding. Um,

901
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of Brownze fans that would

902
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: support that and probably even pay a little higher price

903
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: just because of where the where the money might where

904
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: the money is going. Absolutely, it's a great cause. And Brad,

905
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: I know you worked for this organization for a long

906
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: time and you know how dedicated they are to the community.

907
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: To see something like that is is pretty awesome. No,

908
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: the Housums are very generous and um, what they've done

909
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: with the donation of these jerseys for such a horrible cause.

910
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: And while we're talking about a quick shot off to

911
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: all the first responders who can't thank you, you guys

912
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: are not for what you've done this horrible disease, but

913
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: there horrible virus, I should say. But what the Hasles

914
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: and this organization have done is outstanding. It is and

915
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: it's great to be a part of it. And they

916
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: know what. It comes back to the tradition, and I

917
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: think that's what we did today, the Browns, back to

918
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: their roots, back to the tradition of these great iconic uniforms.

919
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: And there's a reason, like you know this, there's a

920
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: reason you don't see teams like the Packers and the

921
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: Bears and the Steelers even changing their uniforms a lot.

922
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: Those are the looks that they're synonymous with. The Brown's

923
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: got away from that a little bit, and I think

924
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: is one of the old brown one of the old teams,

925
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: one of the classic original football teams. To go back

926
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: to that look really is a powerful statement for that video, Nathan.

927
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: What I really liked was the words that they use,

928
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: like true to our past, true to our fans, and

929
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: then true to what we truly are is the Cleveland Browns. Absolutely,

930
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: it's exciting. It's exciting. And now, look, we all like uniforms,

931
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: we all like jerseys, we love all this stuff, but

932
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: we want to see our wins and hopefully they will

933
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: be able to do that. And you talked about your

934
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: draft hat. Part of that obviously a big pieces the draft.

935
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: These guys when they get drafted or going to receive

936
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: that draft hat as well as one of these new uniforms,

937
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: and that should be a pretty exciting thing. It's gonna

938
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: be very exciting. You know, this has been a great

939
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: day followed up by the draft next week, which that

940
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: whole team is going to do a phenomenal job. And

941
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm getting nervous. I want to get back

942
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: in I want to get these jerseys made up. And look,

943
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have to help me do this now,

944
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I know, we know, we know, Yeah, what are the

945
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: challenges with that? I mean, look, unfortunately game play is

946
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a ways off, but I would

947
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: imagine this has presented some unique challenges in terms of

948
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: because you know, there are a lot of teams that

949
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: are releasing new uniforms and I remember talking to you,

950
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: Brad a year ago about how long it took just

951
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: to get those color rushes put together. You know, what

952
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: are those challenges something that you know, yeah, everybody's facing challenges,

953
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: but how has that kind of affected this process relative

954
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: to you know, getting these things rolled out because you

955
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: have so many teams with new looks. Well, I think

956
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: the main thing is the other gentleman on the on

957
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: the line, Luke is does Luke correct me. I don't

958
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: know how many teams you actually work with, but he

959
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: is going to be responsible for really doing all our

960
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: Brown jerseys completed, and all these aren't gonna come in

961
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: blank like they usually do because normally we have our

962
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: seams just by. He does a great job in the

963
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: sewing room, but with us being a way, we'd be

964
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: producing these as soon as we started getting them in now.

965
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: But without being able to be in the facility, I've

966
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: got to lean on Luke to get everything done. And

967
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: so he's probably gonna do all d eighty because every

968
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: player has a backup jersey. So once we get into

969
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: training camp, all players are gonna we're gonna have two

970
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: jerseys of white per player, two jerseys for Brown. That's

971
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: three and sixty jerseys right there, and he's gonna be busy, yes, Luke. Well, Luke,

972
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: good luck to you, and certainly we appreciate the efforts

973
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: in terms of getting all that done for everybody here

974
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: in these challenging times. Guys, I want to Thank you

975
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: so much for taking time out of your your busy

976
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: days to be with us here and to talk about

977
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: the new Browns uniforms. Luke As wishes to you and

978
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: your family. Everybody stays safe, Brad can't wait to see

979
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: it in person again at you and your family stay

980
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: safe as well. But thanks so much for taking some

981
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: time and shedding some insight on But I think it's

982
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: a pretty cool day to be a part of the

983
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: Browns organization and to be a Browns fan. Great day

984
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: to be a brown Thanks Nathan for having us all right,

985
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: we want to thank both guys for joining Nathan Zigura

986
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: today on the best podcast available. Brad Melon, of course

987
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: our director of equipment operations. Also Luke Up, the national

988
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: sales manager from rip On Athletic, for his time as well.

989
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: And again, you can catch this podcast or any of

990
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: the podcast we've had leading up to the NFL Draft

991
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: by logging on at Cleveland Browns dot com or wherever

992
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Subscribe and like today to the

993
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: best podcast available of gribbs. I know you spent some

994
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: time with Brad Melon and did a little bit of

995
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: homework into the research going into the uniform unvailing, which

996
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: has been two plus years in the making. Uh, Anything

997
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: that stood out to you from the conversations you had

998
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: with those guys, Yeah, I think generally just really happy

999
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: feeling to get back to this kind of look. And

1000
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: I think he in our conversation it was a reflection

1001
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: of kind of the simplicity of the entire process. I

1002
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: talked to a few people at Nike last week, uh,

1003
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: and actually with the NFL and and working in coordination

1004
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: with Nike, and they just they kept coming back to

1005
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: how clear cut the process was, because it was basically

1006
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: the Browns came to them with the look they wanted.

1007
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: They kind of made it happen and that was it.

1008
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: And I think you have to go through a lot

1009
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: of checkpoints in the process, so that's why it takes

1010
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: two years. But it really did sound like an ultra

1011
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: smooth process that that gave people ultimately a look that

1012
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: they want. And I think that as J. W. Johnson

1013
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: said to me and I imagine others, I mean, this

1014
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: was a change. You don't want to be making changes

1015
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: every five years to your jerseys. This was a change

1016
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: to not make changes anymore. So this is the is

1017
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: a look that I think is gonna be around for

1018
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: a long, long time. Good they knocked it out of

1019
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: the park. Well done by all parties involved. That's gonna

1020
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: wrap up the best podcast available, the final one before

1021
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: draft week. We've got one last best podcast available prior

1022
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: to the draft, and then we'll have a couple in

1023
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: the weeks after as we get to know the rookie

1024
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: class and some interviews with some of those guys. But uh,

1025
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: next week, only one. It will come out before the draft.

1026
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: It will be our Draft special, including Andrew Gribble, Nathan Zigura,

1027
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: a few other big luminaries as well. We're looking forward

1028
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: to having you join us. Then, until then, it's time

1029
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: to start getting a little rest and by little, I

1030
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: mean rest up for about twenty four hours, and then

1031
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: it's full on getting prepared and getting all set up

1032
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: for the NFL Draft. Thanks to Jeff McDaniel, Thanks to

1033
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: Nathan Ziggura for his time, Thanks to Paul Taylor for

1034
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: all his coordination. I want to thank Brad mellen Luke

1035
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: and of course the great Dane Brugler for Andrew Ribble.

1036
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm Jason Gibbs, thanks for watching, thanks for listening for

1037
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Speaker 1: the best podcast available.