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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: job in Strickland. I'm an executive producer with iHeart Radio

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Speaker 1: and how the tech are Yet it is time for

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Speaker 1: a classic episode. This episode, originally published on September seventh,

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Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, is called Alphabetizing Google. It is, of course,

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Speaker 1: about the when Google created the company Alphabet to serve

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Speaker 1: as an umbrella company for all of Google's various divisions

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Speaker 1: It was an interesting process because, as I recall, Google

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Speaker 1: originally owned Alphabet, and then they had to do kind

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Speaker 1: of a weird little switcheroo on paper to make Alphabet

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Speaker 1: the official umbrella corporation. You start reading up about these

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Speaker 1: But I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's listen to this

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Speaker 1: classic episode. So on Monday August ten, two thousand fifteen,

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Speaker 1: Google CEO Larry Page posted in the official Google blog

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Speaker 1: that the massive company would undergo a restructuring and Google

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Speaker 1: would become a subsidiary under a parent company named Alphabet. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously the tech news world went bonkers as a result

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Speaker 1: of this announcement, But what does it really mean and

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Speaker 1: why would Google ever want to do this. That's the

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Speaker 1: purpose of this episode. So I'm going to talk about

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Speaker 1: not just Google's decision, but what a parent company is,

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Speaker 1: what subsidiaries are, why those things exist, so that we

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Speaker 1: can actually have a better understanding. And one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons I'm doing this is because, even as a tech

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Speaker 1: guy with a kind of general understanding of corporate structure,

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Speaker 1: I was kind of confused too, and so I thought,

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Speaker 1: if I'm confused, I'm sure at least one other person

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Speaker 1: really dive into this and get a general understanding of

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Speaker 1: parent companies and subsidiaries so that we understand why those

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Speaker 1: exist across different companies, not just Google. So first, Alphabet

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Speaker 1: is the parent company that will oversee a collection of

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Speaker 1: other companies, the largest of which is Google. Larry Page

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Speaker 1: will be the CEO of this new company, so trans

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Speaker 1: transferring from Google to Alphabet. Sarah A. Brend will be

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Speaker 1: is and how those subsidiaries work in general. So, a

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Speaker 1: way it does that is it has to own enough

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have a parent company that has all these

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Speaker 1: other parent companies that get really involved with what their

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Speaker 1: but subsidiaries have their own management levels. So while there

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Speaker 1: will be the CEO of Alphabet, there will also still

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Speaker 1: Going with a parent company makes that management much more

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Speaker 1: This is not a big surprise. Google's market cap as

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Speaker 1: He joined Google back in two thousand four and he

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