1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang on today's show. Yes, Tyler Murray is 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: better than Deshaun Watson and we have to prove. Several 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: college players proved themselves ready for the NFL over the 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: course of last week. But we begin with the first domino. 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: Actually two domino have fallen and what is expected to 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: be a long line of quarterback movement this offseason. It's 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, Episode three ninety and it starts now. 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday, proud partner of 10 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit acy 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot com Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: throws near sight of Fitz Park. He hes into the 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: NSO for the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: So Desjohn Watson has dominated the talk in recent weeks, 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: and rightfully so, yet he took a back seat to 16 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: two other quarterbacks over the weekend, Jared Goff and Matthew Staffer. 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: They are trading places. MJ. Your reaction to the reported 18 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: blockbuster deal between the Rams and Lions involving the swap 19 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: of starting quarterbacks. Well, first of all, when you when 20 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: you sense there's smoked, there's fire. And it's not as 21 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: surprise that the Rams felt like, you know, Jared Goff 22 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: with a healthy running game and when they had a good, 23 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: you know, solid defense. You know, but I think the 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: turnover fifty five turnovers in the less four years with 25 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: the Rams obviously was drafted by Jeff Fisher. And you know, 26 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: I think the Lions obviously they had issues when it 27 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: came to Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson when they left 28 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: the franchise for different reasons. They he talked to the 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: owner and he went he made it clear that hey, 30 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: I enjoyed my time here, but I want to get 31 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: a chance to go somewhere else. So everyone's on the 32 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: same page there, and you know, it looks like, you know, 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: the Rams were number one and the Niners were number two, 34 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,839 Speaker 1: and possibly Washington or the Colts. He has a house 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: about twenty minutes from the Rams stadium, Sofi Stadium. His 36 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: wife preferred a warmer climate and she's been in Detroit 37 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: for a long time, so it makes sense. And then 38 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: you know, as Jerikov told Mike Silver, you know, it's 39 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: nice to be wanted. And their new general manager and 40 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: one of their front office manager employees, Ray Agnew and 41 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: Bret Holmes, they came from the Rams, so they had 42 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: good intel. Now, obviously, when you give Campbell and the 43 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: general manager Holmes a six year contract, they're not expected 44 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: to win right away. Now the thing is, do I 45 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: does this preclude them from drafting a quarterback? Possibly not, 46 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: but obviously they're willing to pay and they're set up 47 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: for the draft for the next few years. So it 48 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: wasn't a surprise. And everything you read over on Friday 49 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: and Saturday that they were hoping to get this deal 50 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: done by Tuesday, and push comes to showman got done 51 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: on you know, on Saturday, and so now you know 52 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: Alex Smith was traded from Kansas City to Washington and 53 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: that deal was done similar. Unfortunately, you really can't talk 54 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: about it until the new league season opens up. But 55 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure, you know, Golf's to talk to people, and 56 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure less Need and Sean McVay are talking in 57 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: new windows. But you can see how excited they were. So, 58 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, you know, Cardinals to face Matthew Stafford, you're 59 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: kind enough to send me the link eight games three, 60 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: four and one. There were other times that Cardinals played 61 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: against him. I was looking up some of the quarterbacks 62 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: they had, like matt Hassell back and to Ravious Jackson 63 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: in some other quarterbacks they had. So as for Jerikoff, 64 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: we know under McVeigh he was unbeaten. Obviously he didn't 65 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: get the start in Week seventeen, but he was seven 66 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: and one against the Cardinals. He started in Week nine 67 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: in his rookie year with Jeff Fisher and that was 68 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: the only time he lost it at Cardinals. So I 69 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: do think he's got a stronger arm. Matthew Stafford. They're 70 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: going all in and their owners, Stan Cronkie, they're in 71 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: the LA market. We know that the Lakers are, you know, 72 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: at the top, and then the Dodgers what they've done, 73 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: so you're they have competition. And to me, Stan Cronkie 74 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: is worth ten billion dollars and so people are gonna say, well, 75 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 1: you know they don't have any draft picks. Well, they've 76 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: traded it for good players and their core is they 77 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: aren't going all in in the next couple of years. 78 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: But Cronki is more of a cash guy. He doesn't 79 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: worry about the cap or the draft picks, and I 80 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: think that's very evident based on what they did. Let's 81 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: go back to the reported deal and we say reported, 82 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: you brought it up. It won't become official until March seventeen, 83 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: when the new league year begins, so the teams won't 84 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: be able to talk about it. But I'm sure there'll 85 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 1: be things that will leak. And Jared Goff has already 86 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: gone on the record liking this deal. But the Rams 87 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: acquire Stafford, who has two years left on his contract, 88 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: turns thirty three in a week for Goff, who has 89 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: four years left on his contracts and is twenty six 90 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: years old, plus two future first round picks twenty twenty 91 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: two and twenty twenty three, and a third round pick 92 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: this year. So it is a hefty price to acquire 93 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, who is a known commodity. And I think 94 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: if you're the Lions, maybe it's time to go somewhere else. 95 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: That fan base probably has seen enough of Matthew Stafford. 96 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: You either like him or you don't. He has no 97 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: playoff wins, yet he is very productive and I'm just 98 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: curious now, MJ you put talent around him, and not 99 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: just on the offensive end, but a better defense than 100 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: he had in Detroit. Just how much better of a 101 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: quarterback might he be? And then for golf, it's a reset. 102 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: But you know who are you as a quarterback? There 103 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: are more questions with golf than there are with Stafford. 104 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: But from a Cardinals perspective, here on this Monday edition 105 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: of Cardinals cover two, presented by Hunday Proud, partner of 106 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, I ask you this, if you're the 107 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: Cardinals twice a year, whom would you rather play? Matthew 108 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: Stafford or Jared Goff? Well, I mean based on the numbers, 109 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean, let's go back to when the Cardinals tied 110 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: the Lions. Cardinals should have won last year. You know, 111 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: if we look back at the season Detroit game, in 112 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: the Carolina game, in New England game obviously Week sixteen 113 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: and seventeen, in that offense, Jared Goff was very effective 114 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: against the Cardinals because they you know, again they were 115 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: in the coat tails of Todd Gurley and we know 116 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 1: mcvayz just like Kyle Shanahan, very aggressive play caller, and 117 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: they feel like they're gonna be a better football team. 118 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: So just based on Goff's numbers. But if you're telling 119 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: me I'm getting the Jared Goff from last year this season, 120 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: I would go against Jared Goff, but against Stafford does 121 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: have a stronger arm. And you just look at it, Craig. 122 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: I mean, they still have Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Robert Woods, 123 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup under contract. Okay, they're thinking they could bring 124 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: it Andrew Whitworth back at the age of thirty nine. 125 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: We know, and it doesn't look like Stafford's going to 126 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: get any guaranteed money. He's going to play on the 127 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: forty three million dollars and we'll see what happens there. 128 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, the next time the Rams have 129 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: a first round pick, Joe Biden's term either he extends 130 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: for a second term or at least that's how long 131 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: it's going to be. Four years. And that's just the 132 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: analogy I read on Twitter over the weekend. Four years 133 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: they will not have a first round pick. And you 134 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: know what, when I mentioned Aaron Donald, the number one 135 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: defensive player in the league, the number one shutdown corner 136 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: in the league. This is not just hyperboleague. Jalen Ramsey, 137 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: we know what Robert Woods and Cooper Cup at tight 138 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: ends and they found a running back and Cam Akers. 139 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four is when the Rams will have a 140 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: first round pick. They'll have gone seven straight seasons without 141 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: selecting a player in the first round. But to your point, 142 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: they've acquired known assets, known players with those first round 143 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: draft picks, so it's acquiring the known versus drafting the unknown. 144 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: It has worked to a certain extent for the Rams, 145 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: yet they seem to be kicking the can down the road, 146 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: if you will, as far as one when it comes 147 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: to salary cap and in two trying to build young 148 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: and keep this sustained. How sustainable is this when you 149 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: have a quarterback with Matthew Stafford who is under contract 150 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: for two more years. Maybe you could play for another 151 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: four five years. Yet where is this development coming from? 152 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: Because you're an injury or two away. If you're the 153 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: Rams from all of a sudden being back at square one, 154 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: and as you pointed out, they are going all in 155 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, and maybe to 156 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: a certain extent twenty twenty three. If they don't hit, 157 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: then you have to look back and say, yes, this 158 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: was a mistake. But I don't fault the Rams for 159 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: looking at what they had in their own cupboard and saying, look, 160 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: we've reached our peak with Jared Goff at the quarterback position. 161 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: We can improve and I do believe they have improved 162 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: at that position with Matthew Stafford. Yet to what costs, 163 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: and that part of this equation, this conversation, we won't 164 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: know for several years. Well, you know, when Jared Goff 165 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: was you know, and again down the stretch, people were saying, well, 166 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: his cat member for the previous season was thirty five 167 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: point five. He was making more than Aaron Rodgers, and 168 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: that doesn't equate. I mean, right now, Patrick Mahomes to 169 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: Shaun Watson, Russell Wilson and Roethlisberger, and then it was Jerikoff, 170 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: and then it was Aaron Rodger, and then Kirk Cousins, 171 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: Carson was Dak Press Scott and Matt Ryan. So it 172 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: just it didn't match um. But again, you know, Sean 173 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: McVay was asked multiple times at last in the second 174 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: half of the season to consider benching him, and he 175 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: said no. And I think it was more like, you 176 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: got to play better if you're going to be the 177 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: guy and it lingered to the off season and they 178 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: were you know, they did the old he's a Ram 179 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: right now what day it is? And then you knew 180 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: that when Stafford went to management and they were on 181 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the same page. And I thought, Mitch Album, who's a 182 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: really good writer at a great you know column from 183 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: the Detroit Free Press saying they did the right thing 184 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: with Matthew Stafford and in the organization for the Lions, 185 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: they're going to stack up on draft picks and we'll 186 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: see what Goff does there. Yeah, the Lions pick seventh 187 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: this year. Do they select the quarterback? My guess is 188 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: they don't because now you want to try to build 189 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: around Jared Off. But they've got five first round picks 190 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: now over the next three years, so they seem to 191 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: be set. If it doesn't work out with Jared Goff, 192 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: they can cut their losses in a couple of years. 193 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: Take a hit, yes, but still move forward with those 194 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: draft picks. Different story with the Rams on the other hand, 195 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: and with the Cardinals, you know you're gonna have to 196 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: sit here and once again we're talking about leap frogging Seattle, 197 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: the Rams. What happens with the forty nine ers? So 198 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: another hurdle has been placed in front of the Cardinals. 199 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: With respects to this Kingsbury Murray era, if you will 200 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: go in into twenty twenty one, the division, from my standpoint, 201 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: just got a lot tougher. Yeah, And you know, I 202 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: think at some point, maybe we mentioned it in the offseason, 203 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: I wouldcall, you know, where does Kyler Murray rank in 204 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: the division as a quarterback position? And you know, first 205 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: of all, you got to give it to know Russell Wilson. 206 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: He seems like he wants to play at least forty 207 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: or forty five. And they've been successful, but you know, 208 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: there they change coordinators. And then I thought, Kyler Murray 209 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: on paper, I'm looking at you know, projections, and then 210 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: I thought I would take Kyler Murray over Jimmy Garoppolo 211 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: and jerikov Um for one season, you would think Matthew 212 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: Stafford could be the second best quarterback in the division. 213 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that Kyler Murray um. But you know, teams 214 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: normally look out three years, Craig four years. Clearly the Cardinals, 215 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to improve from eight and eight. Nobody's 216 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: going to accept an eight and eight season. You know, 217 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: injuries do occur. How did you lose those games? How 218 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: did you finish? How did you start? There's all there's 219 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of objects that we're gonna be 220 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: talking about. But you know, and then if your Cliff 221 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: and in the front office, you know how important is 222 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: next year? Well they're looking at two and three years out. 223 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: But it's a wind mode now. Um so it's gonna 224 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: be interesting. But I still think you got to have 225 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: a better division record. We are intrigued after two and 226 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: Ozero and then they finished two and four m Frience wins. 227 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: We talked about the Carolina game, we talked about the 228 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: Detroit game. I know you're not going to go sixteen 229 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: and oz You try to take care of business, you 230 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: know in the AFC, and you know, unfortunately they lost 231 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: two games to the Patriots and Dolphins, and you know 232 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: that didn't help. So you know, if the Cardinals going 233 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: to be in the race, I mean, the record has 234 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: to get to nine, ten or eleven wins. That's I mean, 235 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: it's simple is that you look and you brought up 236 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: the records of these two quarterbacks against the Cardinals. I 237 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: want to touch on that once again Bird game, because 238 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: if you are looking at this move from a division standpoints, 239 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: and the numbers overall, when you look at Matthew Stafford 240 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: and Jared Goff, Yeah, you'd much rather face Jared Goff. 241 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: But the Cardinals have had their struggles against Golf seven 242 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: and one, eleven touchdowns, three interceptions. They have had better 243 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: results when it's Matthew Stafford. You brought it up three 244 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: four and one in those eight games, twelve touchdowns, eight interceptions. 245 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: Golf is a little bit more mobile, the bootlegs, the 246 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: waggle plays that seemed to disrupt the Cardinals more than anything, 247 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: especially this past season. Stafford's going to stand in the pocket. 248 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: He's not going to move around. Yeah, you have to 249 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: be careful about the deep shots because as you pointed out, 250 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: he has a much stronger arm. From a defensive standpoints, 251 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: it might be better to face a Matthew Stafford, even 252 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: though he is a better quarterback. And I don't know 253 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: if I'm talking myself into circles here, burg Gang, if 254 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: you can understand it, But numbers wise, Jared Goff better 255 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: against the Cardinals. Yet I would much rather face a 256 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford just because I know that he is going 257 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: to be stationary in that pocket. Now he's a lot smarter, 258 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: He's seen a lot more. Can he dissect an opposing 259 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: defense quicker than Jared Goff? Absolutely, So you have to 260 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: pay attention to that as well. I never liked playing 261 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: Jared Goff, even though he was up and down, he 262 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: always seemed to be on the high whenever it was 263 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: time to play the airs on a Cardinal every other week, 264 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: you weren't sure what you were going to get. Stafford, 265 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: I think is kind of the same thing. Yet I 266 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: do believe he has a bitter quarterback, but maybe easier 267 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: to defend. And I think, you know, I'm kind of 268 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: talking out of both sides of my mouth here a 269 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: little bit, but just looking what we've seen from Matthew 270 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: Stafford against the Cardinals, he seems to be more beatable 271 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: than a Jared Goff, And that just might be the 272 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: only that just might be a Cardinals thing, and you 273 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: can't look at every other team that way. Well, let's 274 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: go back Tomfvey's first year with Jeric Coff. I mean 275 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: he's feeding in the place. I mean, you know, it's 276 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: not like they are snapping the wall with twenty five seconds, 277 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: but you know, the headset to the quarterback. Speaker goes 278 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: at the sixteen second mark. I say fifteen, but it's 279 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: actually sixteen and so. And then they showed some videos 280 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: over the weekend just how tough Matthew Stafford is. I mean, 281 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: getting hit and going back in the game and leading 282 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: them down to a drive. I think it was when 283 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson went and I'll give golf credit because you 284 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: did have thumbs. There were pins in there, and he 285 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: said that they'll be in there his entire life. They're 286 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: not going to be removed. So I'll give him credit there. 287 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: But Stafford is more of an experienced quarterback. You're not 288 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: gonna have to force feed him. Thinks he'll he'll pre snap, 289 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: post snap, he'll change the play. He does run some 290 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: of those those those um waggle plays the bootlegs so 291 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: he can get out, But you're right, he sits in 292 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: the pocket and you know they're not asking him to 293 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: hold the ball for three seconds. You got Robert Woods 294 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: and Cooper Cup, you know, obviously they got some young 295 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: receivers and Reynolds and Jefferson. So yeah, I think the 296 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: offense will be better, and again they don't have to 297 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: outscore teams because of that defense. And in run games 298 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: because now you could run cam Akers in the ground 299 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: like he did with Todd Gurley and he catches the 300 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: ball to backfield and Henderson's coming back, so you know 301 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: they won't running back by committee. But I think they're 302 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: going to go back to the bell cow and that's 303 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: gonna be cam Akers. So I do think they're gonna 304 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: be a better team with Matthew Stafford at quarterback. And 305 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: the Cardinals will see the ram and staff for twice. 306 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: They will see golf, however, in twenty twenty one, because 307 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: seemingly the Cardinals play the Lions every single year, but 308 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: for a fifth straight season, Cardinals and Lions. So we 309 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: are not quite done with Jared Goff just yet. So 310 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: keep that in mind. Well, and some of the guys 311 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: that Cardinals have faced over the years. And he's a 312 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: big time free agent and I don't know if the 313 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: injury precluded him from being there or is because the 314 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: free agent and didn't feel like, you know, I needed 315 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: to come back. He wants to be healthy. And Kenny Galladay, 316 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: here's see what he because you don't normally see those 317 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: guys hit the market, you know, you usually try to 318 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: extend them and then maybe you trade them down the road, 319 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: like you know, DeAndre Hopkins and Stefan Diggs and they 320 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: get extensions. So it's going to be interesting. But just 321 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: based on Dan Campbell, I think they're gonna be a 322 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: physical team. You know, I don't know about fighting, kneecaps 323 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: and everything else, but I just think you better bring 324 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: your hard hat when you play them. And I think 325 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: you can say the same thing about Joe Judge teams, 326 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabels teams, and as hopefully the Cardinals can come 327 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: because physicality at the line of scrimmage is really where 328 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: the game is won. We can sit here in the 329 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: window address the receivers. But I do think they're going 330 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: to be a physical team and they're gonna try to 331 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: run the ball and that should help golf overall. But yeah, 332 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: it's interesting. We're gonna play in five consecutive years without 333 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. By the way, the Lions do travel to 334 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: Sofi Stadium coming up this season, so Jared Goff and 335 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: the Rams, Matthew Stafford and the Lions will see what 336 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: the NFL schedule makers decide to do with that contest, 337 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: whether that's a just a normal Sunday game or maybe 338 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: a Monday nights or a Sunday night because funny how 339 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: these storylines in the offseason kind of lead to what 340 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: the schedule looks like down the line. Yeah, and I 341 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: don't know how many primetime games the Lions will get 342 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: just based on the record, you know, new coach, new quarterback. 343 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, that would be interesting. And I'm sure Jared 344 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: Goff when the schedule comes out, he's gonna circle that 345 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: game because he's going to have a chip on the show. 346 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: Knowing they didn't want me anymore. And one thing he 347 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: told Silver, as we pointed out, it's nice to be wanted, 348 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: so you go from disappointment. And when they called him, 349 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: his dad called and he got off the phone real quick. 350 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm okay, I gotta go with my dad's 351 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: call him. But it's got to be because he grew 352 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: up in cal And McGinnis told me and Jeff Fisher 353 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: when the day of the draft, Stan Crockey didn't want 354 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: to know who they're gonna pick, but he asked him 355 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: before the draft because I'm taking the kid from Cal. 356 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: I think it's going to help us. We know he's 357 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: a tough player, getting hit as much as he did 358 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: so when that came to that. But you go from 359 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: LA to Detroit now again, Detroit's a blue collar type city. 360 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: Reminds me of Niagara Falls and Buffalo. Their hardcore. They 361 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: love their team, but it's got to be a just 362 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: an eye opener. And for Matthew Stafford who spent nine 363 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: years or whatever it was from two thousand and four 364 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: to now or two thousand and nine to now, yeah, 365 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: eleven years now he's going back. He's going to Los Angeles. 366 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: So it's just different off the field for both of 367 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: those families. Burd Gang. If you haven't already, make sure 368 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: you update to the litest version of the Cardinals mobile 369 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: app today. The update features and all new redesign homescreen experience. 370 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: Visit asy Cardinals dot com slash app for more. So. 371 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: The first name we brought up when we were talking 372 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: today here on this edition to Cardinals Cover two presented 373 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: by Hunday Proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, Deshaun Watson. 374 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: And I know his name has been thrown out there 375 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: a lot with respects to these teams looking for quarterbacks 376 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: or an upgrade at quarterback. The Rams based off their 377 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: conversations certainly were leaning towards moving on from Jared Goff. 378 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: They now officially have, or I should say unofficially official 379 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: March seventeenth. But the other team in this division, mj 380 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: that is perhaps in the need or looking to improve 381 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: at quarterback, the nine Ers, and perhaps Watson and San 382 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: Francisco might be a fit. But if you're going to 383 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: tell me that in order to acquire Matthew Stafford at 384 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: the age of thirty three years old when he turns 385 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: thirty three later on next week, that it's going to 386 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: cost you a starting quarterback, two first round picks, and 387 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: a third round pick, what's the haul, whether it's the 388 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: forty nine ers or some other team. And let's hope 389 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: for the division standpoint, it's not Watson going to San Francisco. 390 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: But how much is DeShawn Watson worth if you're the 391 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: Texans and you move on from him? Great question. Initially 392 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: it was three number ones, and then they won a 393 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: couple of players, and then John McLean tweet out two 394 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: number ones, two twos, and then two defensive players and 395 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: not just fringe players. Start plug and play, guys, because 396 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: you know clearly and I think I think if you're 397 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: the Jets, I mean, are they married to Sam Donald. 398 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if the Texans would have any interest. 399 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: I honestly, Craig, it's I can't say it's January anymore, 400 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: it's February first. But they they're adamant they're not trading 401 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: him now. Again, if he wants to miss offseason workouts, 402 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: which is going to be virtual, he can miss training camp, 403 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: he can miss preseason games. But he's making close to 404 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: thirty six million dollars, that's seventeen game checks. And they 405 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: did they did keep the same coordinator, so he can 406 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: plug and play. He may not show up until week one. 407 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: But I just I have a hard time thinking they're 408 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: going to trade him. I do. And again, three or 409 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: four first round picks sounds good, but you're talking about 410 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: a twenty five year old quarterback where you know, he 411 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: led the league in passing yards and the team only 412 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: won four games. And so I I don't know. I mean, 413 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: I get it more mortgage in the future. But like, 414 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: for an example, if you're Urban Meyer at Jacksonville and 415 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Herbert Meyer has been scouting Trevor Lawrence, he's matures. He 416 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: grew up in a small town, so it's good fit 417 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: there and Herban Meyer has been quoted as saying, I 418 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: try to recruit Deshaun Watson at Ohio State, but Clemson 419 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: had a better plan for him. We didn't get him. 420 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: But he said, I always liked that guy. But you know, here, 421 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: if you're Jacksonville, you're building for the future. I don't 422 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: see them, you know, giving up three or four first 423 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: round picks to acquire Deshaun Watson. So but I as 424 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: of today, I still I respect what the Texans are doing. 425 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: I know there hasn't been ideal in the front office 426 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: and who's calling the shots on the owner, but hey, 427 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: you signed the contract. Unfortunately you weren't part of the process. 428 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: And even if they would have hired Eric b Enemy, 429 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if this thing would have been resolved. 430 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: So I know it's you know, people are you know, 431 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: equating it to the NBA. I talked to somebody that's 432 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: been in the front office. He said, if you're the 433 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: best player on the team, you can't force your way out. 434 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: If you're a fringe player, hey, you don't show up, 435 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: we'll find you thirty five day and usually they take 436 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: those fins away. But he is under contracts, so I 437 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: can appreciate what the Texans are doing. Players should not 438 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: dictate when you sign a contract. They made him the 439 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: highest played player behind Patrick Mahomes, so I'm not in 440 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: favor of that stuff. It's fascinating to see what the 441 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: Texans do because if you're thirty other teams around the league, 442 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: obviously the Chiefs are set with Patrick Mahomes. The Texans 443 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: are the team that will be in this situation as 444 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: far as letting go a franchise quarterback. But thirty teams 445 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: should be picking up the phone and saying, all right, 446 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: what's it going to take now? Some were more be 447 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: more realistic than others, but we'll say this when it 448 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: comes to the Arizona Cardinals, I can say this for 449 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: certain here on this Monday edition, the first day of 450 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: February twenty twenty one. Kyler Murray is better than Deshaun Watson. 451 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: And we have the proof here on Cardinals cover two 452 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: MJ because for those that might have missed it on 453 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: Sunday the Pro Bowl, Kyler Murray led the NFC passed 454 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: the Shawn Watson and the AFC. Of course, this was 455 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: a virtual events played on Madden twenty one, but let 456 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 1: the records show and they are one quarter of action 457 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: K one seven, Watson six, and there five minutes going 458 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: head to head on Madden twenty one. So props to 459 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray proving everyone that he is better, at least 460 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: better video game quarterback than to Shaun Watson. I thought 461 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: you were gonna say on February first, we can tell 462 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: you that Cardinals are not in in the equation when 463 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: it comes to acquiring Deshaun Watson, contrary to which you 464 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: hear speak louder for the people in the back of 465 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: the room, there's a there's a handful of teams at 466 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: the Seahouse column. I mean you could, but and I 467 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: know Russell Wilson, you know, I mean he's a franchise 468 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: quarter back. I think there's five day eight teams. Do 469 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: you think the Bills are calling and they got Josh Allen? No, 470 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: I guess, and you can upgrade every position, But all 471 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you got acquire the contract. Bills are 472 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: going to reward Josh Allen. So once again, the Cardinals 473 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: will not be entertaining the trade Kyler Murray. So when 474 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: you hear this, it's all you know. And we have 475 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: no problem speculating hypotheticals. But let's be let's get down 476 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: the reality here. Okay, the Cardinals, they want to see 477 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: what Kyler Murray can do. If we had this conversation 478 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years from now, then it's fair. By 479 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: the way, did you happen to catch any of the 480 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: Virtual Pro Bowl that was played during the afternoon and 481 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: televised later on Sunday on the NFL network. I did. 482 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 1: I didn't watch the entire thing, and I didn't know 483 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: how the quarterbacks will to go. But Kyler Murray was 484 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: still the quarterback in the fourth quarter, so he obviously 485 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: didn't lose. Snoop Dogg and Marshawn Lynch, Keyshawn, him and 486 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: him and Kyler were a little tongue in cheek is 487 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: Keyshawn was a little bit negative and Kyler, you know, 488 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: you talked about it when he brought this up. What's 489 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: he do after games? Plays video games, whether it's Madden 490 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: or Call of Duty or UM. I'm not surprised that 491 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: he won. And I love the fact that they showed 492 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: those guys setting up their houses. Leonard Fournette with the 493 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: TV and Murray he's got his nice chair and he's 494 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: and they got these paint brushes that they cleaned their 495 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: joy sticks off or whatever they call it. Don't aids myself, 496 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, but it was I love it, and it 497 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: was right up his alley. Is right up his alley. 498 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: And he's also doing something for Verison this week where 499 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: he's making the virtual calls Rich Eyes and Dan Patrick 500 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk. So you get a chance to listen 501 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: to Kyler Murray since we haven't really talked to him 502 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: since the end of the season, and they're going to 503 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: do Call of Duty on Sunday, so he's in his element. 504 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: He's at home. He's an introvert, he doesn't like to 505 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: go out. So now I want Kyler Murray to translate 506 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: this to the football field because he wasn't the MVP conversation. 507 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: We know what his skill set says, but he's got 508 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: to take that next step. And we saw Josh Allen 509 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: do it with the same coordinator, and you know, and 510 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: then we saw Baker Mayfield with a new head coach, 511 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: take take the next step. We've seen mahomes Lamar Jackson 512 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: give him some more weapons. He's taken the next step. 513 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: So it's important for Kyler to take that next step 514 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: and hopefully, based on what we saw from a tweet. 515 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: He knows he's got to put the work in, but 516 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: you got to do it, as you said, not one day, 517 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: you got to do it every day, and it's got 518 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: to be consistent. And once you can get to that point, 519 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: I think you know, I wouldn't say Sky's limited, but 520 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: I think you know from a quarterback standpoint, the Cardinals 521 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: cannot continue to start over and you've got to have 522 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: some stability. Whether this team wins ten or eleven games 523 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: or eight games, you just can't keep pushing the repoot 524 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: button you're doing on your computer. You can't keeping in reset. 525 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: You need stability and continuity, and hopefully that's the case 526 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: moving forward. Going back to the Pro Bowl discussion, there 527 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: have been players though that have used Madden twenty one 528 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: or what other version of Madden that they play to 529 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: either one familiarize themselves with new teammates, kind of get 530 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: it familiar, the virtual look of what opposing defenses or 531 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: opposing offenses might look like. We know Carson Palmer was 532 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: big on the virtual aspect. I don't think Kyler Murray 533 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: is that way, but he'll use perhaps video virtuality as 534 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: far as learning the NFL game and maybe getting better 535 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: and picking up something here or there. I'm not saying 536 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: it's a be all end all, but it is something 537 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: that he uses to wind down, if you will, after 538 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: a day of practice, after a day of film studying, 539 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's still football. And we 540 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: know he's twenty four to seven. He loves the game, 541 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: whether it's on the field actually participating or in his 542 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: home participating virtually. Yeah, they were showing promos and oh 543 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: it was funny Craig when when he was he would 544 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: go through like the plays he's gonna run. Everything was 545 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: three and four wide. He's out of the shotgun. I 546 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: noticed never under center right. If sometimes he would run 547 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 1: the ball. I think is when they had to lead 548 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter like Keyler, this is you know, just 549 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: keep putting points up, score fifty. But how fast he 550 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: was going through it. But everything was RPOs and there's 551 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: different rules I guess for the Pro Bowl where you 552 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: know he can't blitz and all that stuff in that game. 553 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: But it was fascinating. But I did when they showed 554 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: a promo, I did see him. I don't know, and 555 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: we talked about it earlier. We know the Cardinals play 556 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: the Titans issue this upcoming season. It looked like though 557 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: he was playing against the Titans, and I want to 558 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: say it was in this I don't think it looked 559 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: like State Farm Stadium. But anyways, he was going against 560 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: a three four defense, like a three three five defense, 561 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: which is five defensive backs and a couple of linebackers. 562 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: So that's interesting that he's able to see that. Now 563 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: it's a little bit different when the bullets are flying, 564 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: but to me, it can't hurt. But you could tell 565 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: he's really when it comes to his offense and what 566 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: he wants to put out there, it's really it's almost 567 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: like watching Cliff call plays it to a certain extent, 568 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: would obviously you know, Kyler making the decision for himself. 569 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: For the record, not only did Kyler beat de Shaun 570 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: Watson and their one quarter going a head to head, 571 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: but the NFC beat the ASC thirty two to twelve, 572 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray was named MVP of this game, which 573 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: if it's a real game, all of a sudden, that 574 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: means something. So I don't know if this all of 575 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: a sudden gets placed on his resume. You go from 576 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year to Pro Bowler to Pro 577 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: Bowl MVP. I don't know, perhaps, but it is a 578 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: nice little added award for one Kyler Murray. Yeah, and 579 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: according to his agent, Eric Burkard, he tweeted out that 580 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: he had an incentive in his contract if he was 581 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl MVP. So yeah, I mean he's collected 582 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, awards, but I think he would trade all 583 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: that stuff in right now to get a chance to 584 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: play in the postseason because that's really really where you're 585 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: defining you could be a really good regular season quarterback. 586 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: And we talked about Matthew Stafford never won a playoff game, 587 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, Jim Kelly never won a Super Bowl. But 588 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: that's and that's where Larry is coming out party was. 589 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you see it. So and now we're seeing 590 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: some other new players in the postseason, guys like Lavonte 591 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: David who's been underrated for a long time, Devin White, 592 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin and so it's nice to see. 593 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: But it really comes down to players. And that's why 594 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: the Cardinals gotta they gotta add to that offense, get 595 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: that running game going, be physical at the point of attack, 596 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: because you know, at one point they were number one 597 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: and you and I didn't really focus on it because 598 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: it was only total yards, but there's something to say 599 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: that it couldn't offense could be Now they finished seventh 600 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: and rushing usually they've been in the top three, so 601 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: there are areas where they have to improve if they 602 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: want to get there. But I like the fact if 603 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: he's able to get anything out of that. It's different 604 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: from the virtual because the virtual you can see everything 605 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: around you. Carson bought one and put him at his home. 606 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: But again, deep and deep and more in the playbook 607 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: and then obviously the film film. Start looking at your 608 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: opponents and if they change coordinators or whatever, you'll know 609 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: more in the offseason. So it looks like he's up 610 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: for the task. Now you got to do it. That 611 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: leads us to our next discussion here on Cardinals Cover two, 612 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: presented by Hunday Proud, partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 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So we got the Super Bowl 620 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: this week and we'll have more on that later on. 621 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: We add the Pro Bowl on Sunday and then the 622 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl on Saturday, which ended a week long worth 623 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: of activities at Mobile and Alabama, and that is where 624 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: the Cardinals now really need to focus. Yes, free agency 625 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: comes first, yet now you're talking about getting ready for 626 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: the draft in April, and there were several players that 627 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: stood out, not only during the game on Saturday, but 628 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: during the practices. Just want to touch on a couple 629 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: of mj but I'll let you go first as far 630 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: as and not so much maybe that the Cardinals might 631 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: have an eye on, but whether it's a position group 632 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: or different names that fans should be aware of when 633 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: it comes to what they did and whether they were 634 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: able to separate themselves in this several days of practice 635 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: and then obviously the game on Saturday. Yeah, good question. 636 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: And just let everyone know there's no NFL combine this year. 637 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 1: They're gonna have regional combines. I think you know there's 638 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: gonna be a maybe a certain amount of people that 639 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: can tend a Pro Day there'll be no visits to 640 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: the facility, so it's going to be similar to last year, 641 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: but no combine. That's where. So the Senior Bowl is 642 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 1: really the best thing in the offseason, and Jim Naggy, 643 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: former scout, does a great job. And the fact that 644 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: they got through it because of COVID. He started working 645 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: on it. Lasted in March and they were doing daily testing. Now. 646 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: Normally each team sends ten representatives there and a lot 647 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: of times the coaches beyond the field, they were in 648 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 1: the stands. This year he did have the Dolphins staff 649 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: and then Matt Rule and the Panthers staff there, and 650 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: a couple of coaches had code like Joe bradyco wasn't 651 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: there and then and so for a lot of guys 652 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: that went to small schools or guys that opted out, 653 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, they haven't played football in a year. It's 654 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: one of the best job interviews. Obviously, when you get 655 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: to the regional stuff, they're going to have eight teams 656 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: at these regional stuff and they will share medical information 657 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: with each other clubs. So that's how they're going to 658 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: benefit from that. Because one of the reasons why they 659 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: went to Indianapolis is because they had a hospital connected 660 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: to the hotel and the cold stadium, and they would 661 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: bring and semi trucks. So here they're going to be 662 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: a a So that to me, the Senior Bowl was 663 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: you finally get a chance to look at these guys. 664 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: Now scouts have been on zoom calls with position coaches, 665 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: head coaches, strength coaches. There, they were allowed to do that, 666 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: But to me, it was just a big job interview. 667 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: And you know, you start looking at, you know, some 668 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: of the corners. You keep seeing some of the mocks, 669 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: and you know, I wonder if you're the Cardinals consideringly 670 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,479 Speaker 1: have five draft picks, you're picking sixteenth overall, and once 671 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: again this year, if four quarterbacks come off from the 672 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: top ten, that's going to help them position wise. But 673 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: do you go best available player? Do you try to 674 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: trade down a couple of spots, still get the guy 675 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 1: you want and then pick up maybe an extra third. 676 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be fascinating what they do. I don't 677 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: see them moving up unless they acquire more picks in 678 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: the off seat by trading players, So I don't I 679 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: think we realistically sit at sixteen. So I looked at 680 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: a couple of running backs Craig Javante Williams from North 681 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: Carolina five ten, two twenty UM. He's compared to Aaron Jones. Um, 682 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: he's his biggest weaknesses workload, but he's a violent running style. 683 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: He's projected to go somewhere in the second round. His 684 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: rushing grade from Pro Football Focused ninety six and then 685 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: Zone grade ninety ninety, gap grade and then elusive rating. 686 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: So I think when you look at Chase Edmond's size, 687 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to bring in the back that's and 688 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: I think Wolf spent all over this too, about five eleven, 689 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty, two hundred and twenty five pounds 690 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: because that guy has to take the pounding. And Niger 691 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: Harris and Travis etm uh, they're gonna be higher picks 692 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: now they're they're explosive players. Now we know, um, if 693 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: Chase is going to be your bell call, I don't 694 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: see the Cardinals taking a guy in the first round. Now, 695 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: a guy that's very intriguing to me, and we saw 696 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: I got a chance to see him play at Florida. 697 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: Is Kylie Pitts tight end six six, two thirty five. 698 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: Now you know he could go in the top fifteen 699 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, curiously with the bell because Belichick's picking and 700 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: before the Cardinals, of course he can wheel and deal 701 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: with the draft picks. So if you're going best to 702 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: bell with a player, Yes, you liked Dan Arnold, but 703 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: this guy would be you know, a guy that can 704 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: stretch the field. You put him up there with Darren 705 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: Arnold and all of a sudden you got two tight 706 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: ends that you know have speed. Of course, Max Williams 707 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: got to stay healthy. So they stood out. And then 708 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: I was looking at some interior alignment, you know, guys 709 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: that could possibly drafting in the mid rounds. And there's 710 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: a kid named Landon Dickerson from Alabama six six three 711 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 1: twenty five, redshirt senior. He was a four star recruit. 712 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: He improved throughout his career there, grown man strength. He 713 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: did have a torn acl previously he missed the time, 714 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: but his grades are off the charts and just the 715 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: way he's able to move people. So he's the second 716 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: or third round pick there. And lastly, and I'll let 717 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: you go, is a guy named Creed Humphrey Oklahoma six 718 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: five three twenty He's a guy that can play the interior, 719 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: strong hands compared to Graham, got Glasgow playing with leverage 720 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: or something he's having to work on, so personally for me, 721 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: and maybe we'll start getting into over the next couple 722 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: of weeks, but I want to get better on the trenches, 723 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: and I guess we're gonna have to wait for free agency. 724 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: I know the Cardinals are intrigued with some of the 725 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: guys in the offensive line. I know that they like 726 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: Jordan Philbis when he's healthy, Lucky and then Rashad Lawrence, 727 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: but he got to get at the interior to line. 728 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: So if I had a guest today, besides corner, if 729 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: you lose Peterson, I want to go big. I want 730 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: to go D line or O line just to protect 731 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray or be able to put pressure on the quarterback. 732 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: And I like that. And that's where I think you'll 733 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: find a lot of players if you listen to a 734 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, mel Kiper Junior Field Yates. They 735 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: all say that there is good depth in this draft 736 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: class at offensive line, but not so much at defensive line, 737 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: at least when it comes to defensive tackle. The interior 738 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: of the defensive line. Yeah, there's defensive ends and edge rushers, 739 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: but as far as getting the push up the middle. 740 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: There's just not a lot to like as far as 741 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: there's a huge drop off between the top tier and 742 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: then everyone else but offensive line. You can find center, guard, tackle. 743 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: And the one name was the Division three product University 744 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: of Wisconsin Whitewater big center Quinn Minarets, who reportedly played 745 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: last week with a broken bone in his right hand. 746 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: But here he was. You couldn't miss him. I mean, 747 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: he was one. He's a mammoth man. But then he 748 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: wears the crop top so he shows his belly. But 749 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: he was moving. Player is left and right. The only 750 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: thing I'll say this is if you're pigeonholed as a center, 751 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more difficult because they like the 752 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: versatility to move, whether it's the right side or the 753 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: left side. But what you didn't see during practices this 754 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: past week with the centers is can you make that 755 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: line call. I don't need a very athletic center. For example, 756 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: while Sunline went undrafted, great center for the Arizona Cardinals, 757 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: a Q Shipley, what do we always say about him? 758 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: Short arms doesn't matter. You have to be intelligent. Yet 759 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: to be smart, you have to be that quarterback of 760 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: the offensive line and make all the line calls and 761 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: make sure everyone is in position. So when you talk 762 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: about the center position, and if you're looking for an upgrade, 763 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: it's not so much how big, how strong you are, 764 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: but it's what's between the years, at least for me 765 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: when I look at that center position. But Quinn Minaret's 766 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: hope I'm pronouncing the last name correctly. He was the 767 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: one name that really everyone was talking about during the 768 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: entire higher week at the Senior Bowl. Yeah. And you 769 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: know we've seen the team's draft, the player who played 770 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: you know, left tackle, and then all of a sudden, 771 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 1: he's playing right guard. I mean, position flexibility is huge 772 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: and if you can play, if you can snap the ball, 773 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: and granted maybe you know he doesn't start from day one, 774 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: but you should be able to play guard. And one 775 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: thing about him is is because he's you know, he's 776 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: got that crop top and his bell, he's sticking it out. 777 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: Is he didn't play last year and he spent some 778 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: time in Canada and I don't know if you got 779 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: a chance, but he was throwing logs around and he 780 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: and he's he would do his technique on a tree, 781 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: you know, with a with a handout, you know, because 782 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 1: you're supposed to have that first punch when you try 783 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: to get the fat pass rush. But it's amazing. Sound Reddick, 784 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: he's at Temple. Okay, he goes down there and he 785 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 1: rushes the passer and it's like, go back to the film. 786 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,720 Speaker 1: I mean, but again, I would always say the Combine 787 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: is the biggest interview, and it always has been. The 788 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,439 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl was huge, and you know the fact that 789 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: Brian Flores and Matt Rule got a chance to see 790 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: these players. I wouldn't be surprised when it's all said 791 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: and done. Now, you know there's eighty ninety guys there. 792 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: But I you know, when you get a chance to 793 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: coach down there, I think you'd take a liking to 794 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: a certain player. And Jeremy Chen was a guy who 795 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: really stood out last year, and obviously he was a 796 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 1: good pick for the Panthers. So but yeah, the Senior 797 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: Bowl this year to me now, because you had guys 798 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: from small schools going against guys that played in the 799 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: SEC and the Big Ten. You know, we know the 800 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: Big Ten produced a lot of good offensive alignment, so 801 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: you kind of gauge where they are. And again with 802 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,879 Speaker 1: their love of football. They can, they create their own 803 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: work ethic. There's a lot of things that goes into 804 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,760 Speaker 1: this process. But Jim Jim nagging a lot of credit 805 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people are going to 806 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: go back to that Senior Bowl film because that's the 807 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: last thing you saw versus the forty time and for 808 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: a guy that didn't play like Quinn, you really got 809 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: to do your homework. But he definitely has put himself 810 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 1: in that conversation to possibly I don't know if it's 811 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: a first or second round pick, And I will tell 812 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: you this, the draft is lacking, as you pointed out, 813 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: which I wasn't aware of, also legitimate pass edge guys, 814 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: and that's why free agency is going to be interesting 815 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: for a guy like a Sun Reddick. The other good 816 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: news for the Cardinals and picking number sixteen is how 817 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: Mac Jones, the quarterback out of Alabama, performed during the 818 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: week of practice. He did not play in the game 819 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: because he rolled an ankle earlier in the week, but 820 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: not a concern as far as his future, but he 821 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: might have moved himself into that top fifteen status to 822 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: where if you're the Cardinals, that's great because it pushes 823 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: another quality player down to you. But if you could 824 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: have four, maybe five quarterbacks selected in the first fifteen picks, now, 825 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, yeah, you're picking sixteen if you're 826 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Yet on the surface, you're getting a top 827 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,720 Speaker 1: ten talents, not a quarterback. So whether that's a corner 828 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 1: and edge rush or an offensive lineman, defensive lineman, a 829 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: wide receiver or a tight end, as many quarterbacks as possible. 830 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 1: We know Trevor Lawrence is going to go number one, 831 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: there's Zach Wilson, and then perhaps maybe a mac Jones 832 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: can move his way up to become the third or 833 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,760 Speaker 1: fourth guy. Justin Fields is another one out of Ohio state. 834 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,760 Speaker 1: But for me, mj just keep pushing that quarterback narrative 835 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: to where and all of a sudden, someone that might 836 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: have been a top twenty or should be a top 837 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 1: ten pick slips to sixteen at the Cardinal selection. Yeah. 838 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,720 Speaker 1: And we're having that same conversation last year. Yes, and 839 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: we'll have the same conversation long as Kyler Murray's on 840 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,320 Speaker 1: that rookie deal. Yeah. And don't forget trade lance too. Correct. 841 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: He only played one game, wasn't productive, But he comes 842 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: from that North Dakota state where obviously Carson Wentz, so yeah, 843 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting. And mac Jones. You look 844 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: at Belichick, he always took players from Rutgers, he takes 845 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: players from Alabama, Ohio State because those those those schools, Craig, 846 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: they play a pro style offense and defense, and you 847 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: will learn because of coach. I mean, I think they 848 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: got three former head coaches right now in the Alabama 849 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: staff that were in the NFL, Bill O'Brien, Doug Marone 850 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: who could be a third one. So they coach you 851 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: like it's in the NFL, and so those guys adapt quicker. 852 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: And if he gets any intel from Nick Saban, he 853 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 1: may have to move up to get that. Now we'll 854 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: have to wait and see in free agency. Is there 855 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: a quarterback that he likes. We'll see. But to me, 856 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to Belichick and his intel with Urban Meyern, 857 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: Ryan Day and then Nick Nick Saban, and he's got 858 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: so many connections around the country, so you know, but 859 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: I do think that'd be a viable option if you 860 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: get four or five before the Cardinals pick. It is 861 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: early bird gang, but just some early names with respects 862 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: to how things might shuffle for the Cardinals at picker sixteen. 863 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: But to keep in mind that free agency factors into 864 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,759 Speaker 1: this as well, and free agency comes ahead of the 865 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: draft at the end of April. And on that note, 866 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,239 Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals 867 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,720 Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Day, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 868 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,320 Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim Almandro. 869 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: For Mike Jarecki, I'm preg Riel Loup. We'll talk to 870 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: you next time you're on Cardinals Cover two.