WEBVTT - Damaged w/ Ari Graynor

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Done done.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode two of That's Messed Up an SPU Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>We're so excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Kara Klank and I'm Lisa Traeger. A happy, enjoyous

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<v Speaker 1>honkah to you, Lisa.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. Potato pancakes all day, every day,

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<v Speaker 3>so delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you get any presents every night? Did Hanakah Harry

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<v Speaker 2>visit you? Did you put any blue lights on your home?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>My Pentecostal husband hasn't really picked up on the honka

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<v Speaker 1>traditions yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I know my father puts a blue lit manora on

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<v Speaker 2>our window, so just in case people didn't know we

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<v Speaker 2>were Jewish, they know now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, it's episode two. We're back. We've had

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<v Speaker 1>so much fun like tweeting and instagramming and going through

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<v Speaker 1>all the fun and stuff that everyone is sharing in

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<v Speaker 1>all their opinions. Thank you for your positive feedback everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've gotten a lot of questions. In love about

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<v Speaker 1>our cover art slash logo, which we understand because it's

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<v Speaker 1>incredible and it's Carly Jean Andrews.

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<v Speaker 2>And her Instagram's incredible. And I actually found her through

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram because this summer during quarantine, she was making like

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<v Speaker 2>people would send her nudes and then she would make

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<v Speaker 2>paper doll outfits on top of them. And I'd never

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<v Speaker 2>met this woman in my life, and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can I send you nudes?

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<v Speaker 3>And then I sent her fifteen nudes.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a two hour photo shoot alone in my home,

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<v Speaker 2>and so.

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<v Speaker 3>She knows me very intimately. Yeah, her Instagram is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody should go and follow Carly Jean Andrews and order

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<v Speaker 1>her prints and stuff. She's really such a fantastic artist

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<v Speaker 1>and we were so lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you can hack her and you know, if you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to see me doing ice ice skating poses in

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<v Speaker 2>the nude, she probably has them on her phone. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>also care I don't know if you've been experiencing this,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, I've become more investigative since we've started working

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<v Speaker 2>on this podcast, and I'm scared what's gonna happen to me?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I saw a glove on a branch I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>who's glove is this? We need to find it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very.

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<v Speaker 1>Near like picking it up with a stick to not

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<v Speaker 1>break chain of custody.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got suspicious, Like my sister.

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<v Speaker 2>I was walking my sister's dog and it stared at

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<v Speaker 2>a man and I'm like, he is a fucking murderer.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a mirror that goes into his stairs and there's

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<v Speaker 2>someone trapped, and my niece was like, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a man. I don't know why, but yeah, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm nervous for what's going to happen to my personality.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, yeah, I guess. No, you obviously have not

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<v Speaker 3>experienced this, and you're you're your silence.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, I will. I have definitely been on after

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<v Speaker 1>a marathon. I think you've been binging a little bit lately, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been catching up? You've been on season like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So, like, I have to be honest with everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>After the or man up episodes in season twenty, it

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<v Speaker 2>was just too much for me and with where the

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<v Speaker 2>world was, and I did take a break. And obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I always watched the old ones over and over, but

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't watch twenty twenty one, and I've been watching

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<v Speaker 2>them right now and I'm having a lot of problems

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm in love with Caresy.

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<v Speaker 1>She's literally texting me trying to act like Corisy is

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<v Speaker 1>hotter than Maloney, and I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what. I don't know how to react. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want anyone to know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll we just talked about it, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>people will hate me. I think this, Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a controversial stance. I don't know why I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with Caresy, but I love that he loves Rolins

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<v Speaker 2>even you know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one thing that you said because you're not a

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<v Speaker 1>huge Rollins fan, and you said that his love of

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<v Speaker 1>Rollins is making you like Rollins more so.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's doing a service he is.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like he's like the feminist we really

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<v Speaker 2>that's what Maloney was missing. Maloney was always like abortions

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<v Speaker 2>are wrong, and I think Caresi has this like special

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<v Speaker 2>sweetness where he's like, she can get an abortion, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And I like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we found out a couple of weeks ago on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram that in the new year we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>getting the return of Maloney, which is huge, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like looking even him older, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more weathered in the face. I'm just a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand times hornier for Maloney than I ever will be

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<v Speaker 1>for Dominick Caresi.

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<v Speaker 3>But I will regret it. I will regret it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think that him constantly bringing Connoli is

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<v Speaker 2>his mom made is a little overkill where we get

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<v Speaker 2>it your Italian, but he's always just bringing a wedding

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<v Speaker 2>soup to the plast accent.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like he's a cornball. But I like him. I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't want to like and I did time.

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<v Speaker 1>I did Google just like photos of him in his

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<v Speaker 1>regular life and he seems to really love his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>but so does.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, so does Maloney.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I do love a man that's not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>cheat on his wife, but not that I know anything. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>we have been doing a lot of different shows together

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<v Speaker 2>to like promote this podcast, and we did our friend

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Collins radio show, and she's obsessed with Peter Herman.

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<v Speaker 2>And Peter Herman, for those of you who don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>is Marishko Hargatee's real husband. And in the show he

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<v Speaker 2>plays a defense attorney who's actually not a terrible man,

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<v Speaker 2>Trevor Langan, and she said the funniest thing I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard about him, Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>I told her, I think Peter Herman is so so hot,

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes, oh, I call him sexy Frankenstein.

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<v Speaker 3>Which we love.

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<v Speaker 1>So from now on we will we will be referring

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<v Speaker 1>to him as Sexy Frankenstein, but we mean that in

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<v Speaker 1>the only the most boner inducing ways, like I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's so so hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll buy any laundry detergent beads that he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to sell.

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<v Speaker 3>He is not in this episode, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who is, my man, Christopher Maloney. He's also

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<v Speaker 1>gonnaill my man. I just ca okay, okay. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get into the episode. You're gonna get some heaping

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<v Speaker 1>dose of Christopher Maloney. But we just wanted to remind you,

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<v Speaker 1>since this is the second episode, what the show is. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>we recap episodes of Law and Order SVU, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get into the true crime that the

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<v Speaker 1>episode was based on. Today's episode has some particularly graphic elements,

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<v Speaker 1>so we just wanted to warn people up front to

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<v Speaker 1>be prepared for that.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we know in the sv world, are the

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<v Speaker 2>best episodes are usually the most messed up. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is the best and messed up, and we have one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best guests, best actors.

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<v Speaker 3>That have ever been on this show, according to me, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay with us, all right, Lisa, are you ready to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>Your favorite episode? Yeah, of Law and Order SVU. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thrilled. This is my favorite. I mean, so many

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<v Speaker 3>haunt me, but this, you know, Ari Grainer is in it,

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<v Speaker 3>so I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to step on your position. But there's a monologue

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<v Speaker 2>at the end that chilled chills up and down my

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<v Speaker 2>spine here on my head, Like I just remember watching

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<v Speaker 2>this as it came out. This is an early season

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<v Speaker 2>being like, you are the best actress I've ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you doing this at such young age?

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<v Speaker 2>This is the most twisted crime, the most shocking stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>the saddest ending, the craziest trauma, the family. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it is multi layered, and you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the times the beginning doesn't match the end.

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<v Speaker 1>This it's like, I don't know, I love it. The

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<v Speaker 1>cops play tricks on the bull. I mean, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's truly great, I can't wait. Thank you for agreeing

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<v Speaker 1>to do this one.

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<v Speaker 3>No, this is an awesome episode and unfortunately, how bad

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<v Speaker 3>I've been talking about how everything is. It is based

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<v Speaker 3>on a trip.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, it is based on bad, bad, bad crimes. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this episode is called Damage. It's from season four, episode eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know they're really hitting their stride. The episode

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<v Speaker 1>starts out with like, hits the ground running a couple

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<v Speaker 1>is like, a guy's breaking up with his girlfriend outside

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<v Speaker 1>of a video store and just gets shot dead in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the street. Yeah, and she has a

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<v Speaker 1>really bad hat on.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like you ad Yeah, and she seems annoying. She

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<v Speaker 3>seems annoying. He's like, bitch, I told you, she seems annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>Does she deserve to watch your boyfriend die in front

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<v Speaker 1>of her in a split second as he's breaking up

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<v Speaker 1>with her?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so, but it is a bad hat.

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<v Speaker 1>In the video store, a teenage girls crouched over a

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<v Speaker 1>six year old girl who's been shot. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>also a dead guy with a mask on the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's.

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<v Speaker 1>A hysterical video clerk holding a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>And he has an emo band from the two thousands

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<v Speaker 2>haircut like a my chemical romance, like dirty man type.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, Liza always has the hair reviews. Detective Dowthorn, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe is how you say it? Played by Eric Palladino.

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<v Speaker 1>He's kind of in and out guy. He's like a

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<v Speaker 1>regular detective who's not an SPU detective.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I call him a bad Yeah yeah, like

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<v Speaker 3>a Guido.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you say Guido? I think Kenny Guido's okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>because I think people like love being Guido's anyway. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he shows up because it's just a regular crime right now.

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<v Speaker 1>The six year old is en route to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Rebecca. The older sister is Missy played

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<v Speaker 1>by Ari Greener.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The kid who is dead on the ground who was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to rob the video stores named Eric Campbell, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Joey Field is the name of the clerk who

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that killed Eric. The squad gets word

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<v Speaker 1>that Rebecca, the six year old girl, is on life

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<v Speaker 1>support at the hospital and has gone a rhea.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to add that.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't say, oh, we'll contact the hot shot cop

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't say, oh, we'll contact SVU.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, Benson. He goes get the sex police over.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, yeah, he says, he says, leave it to the

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<v Speaker 1>sex police. And it's like the way that other cops

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<v Speaker 1>make fun of SVU all the time is like literally

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<v Speaker 1>proof that a sex crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Unit is needed, because like you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Even listen to people when they have prop like sex

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<v Speaker 1>crimes committed against them. You're, yeah, should be a separate

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<v Speaker 1>unit for this, there is, and you should respect them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really funny.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, Uh, there's just a lot of like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, Kitty the kitty rape police, so here, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's just always little jokes about them being the sex police.

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<v Speaker 2>And what is shocking about the sex police being called

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<v Speaker 2>is you're looking at the crime and you're like, but

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<v Speaker 2>what is why?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was just some shootings, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what is happening? What is it? And I never thought

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<v Speaker 3>you will never believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not think I would ever type the word

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<v Speaker 1>gonorrhea so many times as I did watching this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I know how to spell it, and I will always

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<v Speaker 1>know how I will win into spelling be of sexual

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<v Speaker 1>transmitted infections. Okay, so Missy, the teenage sister of the victim,

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<v Speaker 1>is crying freaking out.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, uh, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Tells them about how she was adopted at twelve by

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<v Speaker 1>the Kurtz family, but Rebecca, the six year old, is

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<v Speaker 1>their biological child.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, they're going to kill me. And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I learned from Sex and the City once.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes family is adopt then later when they're not trying,

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<v Speaker 2>they do get pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>One of my best friends. That happened in her family.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ari Granner. I should mention this is only the

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<v Speaker 1>second thing she's ever done. She's been in a few

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of The Sopranos and then this. So she's a

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<v Speaker 1>wonder kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's like nine eighteen or something. She's very good,

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<v Speaker 1>and the squad suspects the dad. Obviously, that's the first

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<v Speaker 1>person that they suspect when like a little kid has

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<v Speaker 1>a sexual uh you know, gone rhea And it's Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Lauria from The Wonder Years.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you did you ever watch that show?

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<v Speaker 3>I did, but I was so you know, I remember

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<v Speaker 3>the Pimple episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that he like is so he's very good

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode, but he makes me really like like

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<v Speaker 1>he was such a mean dad in the Wonder Years

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm always like about him, and he's in another

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<v Speaker 1>episode of SVU where he plays a coach who I

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<v Speaker 1>think is bad, but we'll probably talk about that episode.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and then the cops are asking all these

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<v Speaker 2>questions like what does your dad do?

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<v Speaker 3>Does he rape your sister?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They also there's an expository question where they're like, your

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<v Speaker 2>daddy's little angel too, right, which I like.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we get to Missy's trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so they are talking about how Rebecca's daddy's at

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<v Speaker 1>a angel.

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<v Speaker 3>Just that term is gross.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate that means I hate daddy's girl, I hate

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<v Speaker 1>daddy's attle angel, I hate all the daddy stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You can just throw it away.

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<v Speaker 1>But Missy was adopted her biological father, like severely molested

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<v Speaker 1>and assaulted her from the age of five to the

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<v Speaker 1>age of twelve when she was taken into foster custody

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<v Speaker 1>and then adopted by this family. So you'd think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what a great turnaround, But she obviously doesn't think of

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<v Speaker 1>herself as a daddy's little girl because of her traumatic

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with her biological dad. So obviously the Dan Laurie

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<v Speaker 1>A character freaks out when they're like, want to get

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<v Speaker 1>tested for Goneriett to see if you gave it to

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<v Speaker 1>your ador who's on life support.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, dads really don't like to be accused of raping

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<v Speaker 3>their children.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I also just want to point out that this is

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<v Speaker 1>season four. This is after Benson has cut her hair

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<v Speaker 1>into that super little spiky cup, but she's let it

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<v Speaker 1>grow out and now it's got like this smooth wind

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<v Speaker 1>swept justin Bieber quality too.

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<v Speaker 3>Any I wrote short swoop boy band realness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's cute. It looks good on her, like you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be. I just want to pull off that haircut.

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<v Speaker 3>We both went. We both described her the same swoops

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<v Speaker 3>boy band type. I think there's a reason we're friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Bieber didn't have a band, but yeah, the dad definitely

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<v Speaker 2>is like us whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she's like, her hair does look good, but

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<v Speaker 1>she is asking a man to take a gun a reattest.

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<v Speaker 1>So it turns out Missy has filed a complain against

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<v Speaker 1>her adopted dad five years earlier, but she was actually

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<v Speaker 1>just mistaking regular affection for sexual advances, and they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of we get more information about how like Missy's dad

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<v Speaker 1>like beat her, raped her, pimped her out to her

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<v Speaker 1>to his friends, like he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not a good man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like raping your kid is bad enough, and then

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<v Speaker 1>like pimping your kid up. No, it's like money, honestly unconscionable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you can't even think that there's people like

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<v Speaker 1>that in the world, but there are, and that the

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<v Speaker 1>social worker is like I wish all my families were

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<v Speaker 1>like the Kurtz family, like to get like to adopt

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<v Speaker 1>a twelve year old girl too, who's been through a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of traumas, Like that's you know, that's a big

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<v Speaker 1>undertaking and it seems like they're this great family to her.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see where that goes. Everyone loves Rebecca. They

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how she has some incontinence issues.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so they go to the school and this

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<v Speaker 2>is an SVU trope like the Bartenders, you know, where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the principal knows.

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<v Speaker 3>Details of the kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I never met my principal and my principles like what

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<v Speaker 2>a lovely girl. I'd be like, I've never I've never

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<v Speaker 2>talked to you, mister Bozil.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, I knew my elementary school tea principal. His

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<v Speaker 1>name was doctor T. And I think if I was

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<v Speaker 1>pissing myself and grade a bunch. Maybe he'd know about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is it wasn't a bunch. She only

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<v Speaker 2>pissed herself twice. So they didn't realize, Oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>like a sign of sexual abuse. Oh that is a

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<v Speaker 2>sign of sexual abuse.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I didn't realize they said two times. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she only pet her pants twice, And it's like, you're

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<v Speaker 3>in the no nor pants. I just am like, it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>how the attention you get at a New York City

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<v Speaker 3>private school?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your principal knows every time you bet your pants.

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<v Speaker 1>But we find out that they did take her to

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor because she was wedding her bed at home too. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they took her to a doctor for that. Great parents, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>everything points to them being good parents. But now they

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<v Speaker 1>want to pull the plug on Rebecca because she's brain

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<v Speaker 1>dead and they want to give her organs to a

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<v Speaker 1>little boy in Philadelphia. They haven't done the rape exam yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so they have to go to a judge who has

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<v Speaker 1>to decide whether this kid in Philadelphia gets her liver

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<v Speaker 1>or whether she's going to get like examined for like

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<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>I have two comments. Yes, of course it's their sexual abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you need a kit for? The girl has

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<v Speaker 2>gone rhea? We know, yeah, Two.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do we need to waste time at a judge

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<v Speaker 3>to get a thing? Do the test? Give the organs?

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<v Speaker 2>Like this storyline enrages me, where I'm like, why is

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<v Speaker 2>it so much trauma for this family?

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<v Speaker 3>They're basically I just don't understand.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to do another good thing, another proof that

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<v Speaker 2>they're a good family. They want to donate her organs.

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<v Speaker 2>And the police are saying, no kid and Philly must die.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to do a rape kit, but we won't

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<v Speaker 3>do the rape quit kit fast. We'll go to court first.

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<v Speaker 3>What well, that's what I was saying, like, can't both happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Can't they just do it quickly and then go I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand why they even in corporate.

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<v Speaker 3>This is torture porn.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is like I think me watching this

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<v Speaker 1>episode started my life of like like.

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<v Speaker 3>This is torture porn.

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<v Speaker 1>So so the judge sides with the with the with

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<v Speaker 1>Cabin one of my favorite das of all time. The

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<v Speaker 1>judge sides with Cabin and says that they cannot pull

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<v Speaker 1>the plug on Rebecca. They need to wait until this

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<v Speaker 1>examination happens, and then Stabler and Benson ask if the

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<v Speaker 1>entire family can attest it for gonerehea. So it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out that Rebecca dies, and but the liver gets to

0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the boy in Philly right on time, and she also

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<v Speaker 1>did have the exam and it shows that she was

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<v Speaker 1>repeatedly assaulted, which is I'm sorry, I wish.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a lot of trigger warnings in here.

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<v Speaker 3>It sucks to talk about that. That it's what happens

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<v Speaker 3>in the episode. I'm glad the boy got the liver. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the boy gets the liver.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's Yatally, there's a trope that I always love

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, Benson and the Stable are different answers,

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<v Speaker 2>but I love when parents go do you have children, Detective,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we get one of them and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Benson gets this like ashamed look on her face,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, it's okay, like that you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a kid like that, you could still imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>It's sad that your daughter was repeatedly raped, Yeah, gonorrhea.

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<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, like I can't imagine it. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>need to have a given birth.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Stabler, of course the horse, the White Horse

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<v Speaker 2>and Shining dad armors like, I got four kids, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Love them all. So the dogs' emotional yeah, so yes, emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>We go.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we see the doctor who was treating Rebecca's bed

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<v Speaker 1>wedding and he reveals that Missy has gone rihea.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like their pediatrician.

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<v Speaker 2>So and at first the pediatrician, you know, like most doctors,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to give the goods tap because of their

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<v Speaker 2>Hippocratic oath or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Hippa also are the laws of privacy, and you're

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<v Speaker 3>not allowed to tell things about people, but they broke it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the Hippocratic oath is the first do no harm,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's also first, don't gossip with cops about whether

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<v Speaker 3>kids have gone a rhea.

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<v Speaker 1>So, uh, the this is terrible news. As of Watcher,

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<v Speaker 1>you realize, yeah, the two girls have gone real both

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<v Speaker 1>of these girls have gone riha.

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<v Speaker 3>So Missy breaks down and says that she and Rebecca.

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<v Speaker 1>Were both raped by Joe, who is the clerk at

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<v Speaker 1>the video store. We thought he was like a character that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was gone at the beginning. He's back.

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<v Speaker 1>He's apparently Missy's boyfriend, and he raped Missy and Rebecca

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<v Speaker 1>as well. He made Missy bring Rebecca to the store

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<v Speaker 1>when she threatened to tell on him. Missy said Joey

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<v Speaker 1>Field and Eric Campbell, who was the shooter, that they're friends,

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<v Speaker 1>they plan this whole thing together, or that really Joey

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<v Speaker 1>was the mastermind.

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<v Speaker 3>And they say Joey comes.

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<v Speaker 1>From deep pockets, like his dad is a big lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>and his family's like in with the mayor.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, why are you working at a video store,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to learn personality?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I feel like a lot of those kind

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<v Speaker 1>of kids end up like clerking or putting away files

0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.960
<v Speaker 1>at a law firm. Like they don't end up. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even have a video store, so interesting. I did

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<v Speaker 1>a video store where the owner keeps a loaded gun.

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<v Speaker 1>It just seems a little bit of a low brow

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<v Speaker 1>job for this high powered kid. This kid that's from

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<v Speaker 1>a high powered family. They live on Park Avenue. You

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<v Speaker 1>just don't see a lot of kids working at video store. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly video stores do not exist anyhore.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because you always hear of a rich kid having

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<v Speaker 2>to get a for to learn a lesson yeah something,

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<v Speaker 2>but yes, not this sure, that's it's I think the

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<v Speaker 2>job's a little bit far fish.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, So they go to visit Eric the house

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<v Speaker 1>of Eric, the kid who was shot as the robber

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<v Speaker 1>in the video store event.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the worst dads.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, they go, he's in a bottle in

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<v Speaker 1>the East Village and this guy's just like a drunk

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<v Speaker 1>calling his dead son a loser.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, you want to go to his room? Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 3>Like he's horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, my son's a bigger loser than I even thought.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, you're You're the biggest loser I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>He has, you know, the bald hair up top with

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<v Speaker 2>the hair around the circles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the bozo the clon actually looks like I

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<v Speaker 1>guess who character on that game board?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it'd be like does he have swollen burst capilaries?

0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.200
<v Speaker 3>So they he also when people are this poor and gross,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, how do you live in New York? Why

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<v Speaker 3>are you in New York in the East Village?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 6>And your son has his own room. So Eric has

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<v Speaker 6>a bunch of quote unquote fancy electronics. But this episode

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<v Speaker 6>did come out in two thousand and three, so it's

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<v Speaker 6>like a massive stereo a box TV like nothing that

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.280
<v Speaker 6>would look nice now, but is kind of strange for

0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:18.000
<v Speaker 6>like a kid to have they figure out that Eric

0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.760
<v Speaker 6>was three feet away when he shot Rebecca through forensics.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the thing with these teen any killer it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>even though cops are dumb, detectives are not. And to

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<v Speaker 2>think you are going to out smart detectives with your

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<v Speaker 2>tails is just such arrogance.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, especially for in the world of forensics and stuff.

0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where they were easily like he would have to

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<v Speaker 2>point down because he's tall to hit the kid.

0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was a close range. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like so basically we're getting the picture

0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.080
<v Speaker 1>that this isn't this was like an intentional killing, whereas

0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.360
<v Speaker 1>they tried to make it seem like, oh, in this robbery,

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the gun like being like ricochet and like hit her whatever.

0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.119
<v Speaker 1>So Ben's in a stabler go to Joey's apartment and

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<v Speaker 1>tell him that he's gonna win an award from the

0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.960
<v Speaker 1>day Apartments Townhouse Townhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me, I misspoke. This is one of my favorite moments.

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<v Speaker 3>And they say they're like, hey man, they're gonna give

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<v Speaker 3>you a like a courage award from the Mayor's office.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you step outside? So when he steps outside, they

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<v Speaker 1>arrest him.

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<v Speaker 3>And I didn't realize that.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need an arrest warrant if someone's on the street,

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<v Speaker 1>but if they're in the house, you need an arrest warrant.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And you hear the dad lawyer in the back being like, Joey,

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:28.880
<v Speaker 3>don't go outside, but it's too.

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<v Speaker 2>Late because the lawyer Dad knows. And I learned this

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<v Speaker 2>from this episode. Yeah, to me, we learn a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I will never step outside. If it comes to my door.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to open the door. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>even without a warrant.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we figure out that Joey's dad is this

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<v Speaker 1>big attorney he said.

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<v Speaker 3>Joey says he has no idea. He had no idea

0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Eric was going to do any of this.

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.720
<v Speaker 1>It's all kind of Eric on Eric's thing. Joey gets

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<v Speaker 1>arraigned and remanded without bail. We get Judith light Baby.

0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Judge gets charged with first degree murder and two counts

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<v Speaker 3>of rape in the first degree. Three charges.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, so this is not going to be an

0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 1>easy case to get out of. And everyone's throwing around

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the death penalty a lot, which I didn't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even think is in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Judith Light shows up as judge slash Bureau Chief Elizabeth Donnelly.

0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.360
<v Speaker 1>She was on twenty five episodes of SVU from two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two to twenty ten. I would consider her

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<v Speaker 1>a main Yeah, she's cannon for sure, a huge part.

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<v Speaker 1>Missy wants immunity. Her lawyer is played by a This

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<v Speaker 1>is a classic episode because there's a lot of classic

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 1>people in it. This classic SVU defense attorney named Roger Kressler,

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>who was kind of like a sleezed ball that's.

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Like, my client doesn't know anything about that.

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:48.000
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.520
<v Speaker 2>He has the haircut, the ball in the hair, but black.

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 2>He looks like he would.

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<v Speaker 3>Do your taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's played by a guy named Ned Eisenberger and

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<v Speaker 1>he's been on twenty four episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it gets better and better, yeah every moment.

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:01.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Joey's dad is basically trying to like bury all

0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 1>these motions.

0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.639
<v Speaker 1>And then the episode flips when Craigan walks in with

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<v Speaker 1>a VHS like a well, haunting haunting.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do want to reiterate, and you did say

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>this that Missy got a deal, so she is immune

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.879
<v Speaker 2>from being charged because she gave the scoop on Joey

0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 2>and Eric, So I just need everyone to know she

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<v Speaker 2>has immunity.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, she has immunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Cragan walks in with this VHS tape and it's Missy

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and Joey, and it's Missy basically coercing Joey through like

0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the promise of sex to molest her little sister who's

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>lying pasted out on the bed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very gross syne. She drugs her sister.

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 1>She gave her sister syphilis, and she maria, I don't

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 1>know how to spell syphilis. I know how to spell gonorrhea.

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Why did I say syphilis?

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>They're both a stud and fucking You see on the tape,

0:24:58.040 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Joey's like, no, no, no, I don't want to rape her.

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Some and she likes suggest She's like, you better do

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.199
<v Speaker 1>it if you want more of this, and it's like

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.119
<v Speaker 1>it's really disturbing.

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.159
<v Speaker 3>And they go over to the daughter. Oh yeah.

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>So basically we now know that Missy has been masterminding

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:15.199
<v Speaker 1>this entire thing if she lied about being raped, Like

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:18.439
<v Speaker 1>who really planned these murders? Is what Olivia brings up,

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>And that's the crux of the episode pretty much.

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 3>I just can't believe I love this episode so much.

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 3>Something is wrong with my head. I have to bring

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:24.639
<v Speaker 3>it up in therapy.

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 1>My favorite episodes are the most traumatic. That's really it's terrifying.

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Joey is being like a love struck teenage idiot,

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>like he doesn't believe anything.

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.360
<v Speaker 3>They're like, Missy's giving you up, Missy's pinning the whole

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 3>thing on you. He's like, nah, you're lying.

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Even thinks his dad is lying to him, Like he why.

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Romeo and Juliet should not be taught in school.

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, people think you're supposed to die for your

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 2>high school partner or something.

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:52.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's like yeah, because they were like thirteen and fifteen. Nah.

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.160
<v Speaker 2>So he is willing to take the needle for this

0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 2>girl because the sex is so bomb.

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:04.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he he don't want to cut that out. No, No,

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 3>he says that.

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>He's like he's like Eric introduced me to Missy and

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 1>it was like being on a drug to be with her,

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Like she's intoxicating. But I think a lot of people

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>will find that about like a narcissist personality that like

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.679
<v Speaker 1>they can have like an intoxicating.

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 3>Personality to be around. Yeah, I think we both know

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:21.120
<v Speaker 3>people like that.

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>So there was one time they mostly drugged her when

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 1>they molested her, but one time she woke up Rebecca,

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:31.159
<v Speaker 1>she said she was going to tell So Missy paid

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Eric and Joey told him what to do because Eric

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>would do anything for money. So it's like, hey, just

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 1>come in and pretend to rob this store. So we're

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>going to shoot the sister. And I don't think Eric

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>thought he was going to get shot in the robbery.

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they knew they were going to kill Eric?

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:45.959
<v Speaker 3>Hmmm?

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like was that something gone wrong? I

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 2>don't know, because I wonder like, would you agree to

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 2>get shot dead for some stereo?

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, no, I don't think you would have done that. Yeah.

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe it was like, oh, we're going to

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.639
<v Speaker 1>shoulder wound you and then you run away, like you know,

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:02.160
<v Speaker 1>these kids all think they're sharp shooters.

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 1>So Missy planned this entire robbery. Now she has immunity.

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>She's completely played this entire like and I got everybody

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 1>so cad.

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Now knowing that she did that. The acting of these

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 3>killer kids is insane, like crying about your sister up top,

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't understand how all these murderers are also

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 3>amazing actors. Yeah, yeah, she she was sad about her sister.

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes you chat, you channel the sadness of

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>you losing your freedom.

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.679
<v Speaker 3>You know, you're like, I better fucking tap dancer. I'm

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 3>going to be in jail. So you're like, no, you know, yeah.

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>But so Cabot wants to help get Missy's immunity reverse

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:52.959
<v Speaker 1>but that's actually not really within the scope of what

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>she should be doing. So she basically goes to Joey's father,

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 1>the lawyer, and kind of they hatch a plan to

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 1>get this immunity reversed. So we're in Petrovski's courtroom aka

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Joanna Merlin forty three episodes.

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 3>Petrovski's an iconic judge. Yeah. Are they all do it?

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.479
<v Speaker 2>Because everything I'm like, yeah, Bubby, it's like a bubby

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 2>to me. You know, she would be a passover dinner.

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>She you know, should try and be like did you

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 2>try the gaffil to fish?

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 3>Like I fuck am? I love her so and the.

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 2>Side I want to add the data is really sad.

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 2>He's like, my son won't even let me.

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Safe, right, So they're trying to get Petrovski to overturn

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>this immunity. They're saying this evidence of the VHS tape

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>showed up after immunity was imposed. And then Joey's father's

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>response is they can't put Missy on the stand without

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>supporting perjury now that they've seen this video, which eliminates.

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Joey's right to confront who accuser. So Petrofski revokes.

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>The immunity, which I think is very rarely done, and

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a ball or move from them that

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 1>they got it done.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>But the judge and lawyer, of course are pissed or

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 2>like you guys are canoodling together. They're hatching up plans

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the defense and Brock years together. Legal canoodling, yes, for sure.

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 2>And Petrovsky's very pisted at Cabot. They always have like

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 2>fun scenes together.

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>But Petrovsky loves Cabot deep down because later when Petrovsky,

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>when Cabot gets quote unquote murdered but really goes into

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>witness protection, Petrovsky's very hard on the criminals she thinks

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>did it. So she's pissed a Cabot. She wants the

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>trial to happen a s A p even though Cabot

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 1>is I'm not ready. So yeah, the parents show up

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 1>at SVU. Now they get shown the table.

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, what's my favorite is they're pissed that the trust.

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>They're pissed about something, the parents and they run into

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 2>the squad room.

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, we can't show you. They're like show us,

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 3>and the mom my favorite goes what can be harder?

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 3>And it can't be worse and what we're going through basically,

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 3>and it's like, yeah, no, that's what's crazy. It's like

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 3>your kid is dead or use your imagination. A lot

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 3>of things can be worse.

0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>But so this is this is where I've mentioned this

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 2>before where SVU has a humor where before the worst

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 2>thing ever happens, there's always a funny joke, and this

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 2>is the joke where it's like this mom is in hysterics.

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 3>What could be worse? And it's like the squad will

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 3>give it to you, baby, Right, So we're winding up.

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>The episode's kind of winding up now as we kind

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>of realize that Missy is this sort of sociopathic mastermind.

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Joey admits that Missy paid Eric one thousand dollars to

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 1>shoot at Rebecca, so we're trying to find out where

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>she got that money. Dan Lauria and the adoptive parents

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>are like, we're not going to help you take away

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>our other daughter. And Missy's like, Joey will never testify

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>against me, like she knows that she has this the

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>kid like whipped. And the lawyer's like, when the jury

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>hears about Missy's past and all her trauma, do you

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>really think they're gonna blame her for anything she does?

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 3>We get Ahong moment where he.

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Meets up with Missy, tells the whole story about how

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>her mom died when she was five, her dad molested her,

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and that the Kurts has only kept her out of

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>pity and she has a flat affect. Huang says later

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>tells everyone she has a flat affect and no capacity

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>for empathy.

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 3>She's like a classic sociopath.

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 2>And one of my favorite lines in that little interview

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>that really stuck with me is Cabots like, but Joey

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 2>loves you.

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 3>He was going to take the death penalty for you,

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 3>and she goes, but he didn't, did he?

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he was in it for himself. Yeah yeah, where

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>And that he's never had love.

0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's yeah.

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>And so they talk about how her early childhood was

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>so severely traumatic that even by twelve, when she was

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>adopted into this lovely family, it was too late.

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like she.

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Needed hardcore therapy NonStop, and it doesn't seem like she

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 2>got it.

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that she knows what she's doing is wrong,

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>she just does not care. So they track down this

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 1>pawn shop ticket and figure out this like three thousand

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>dollars like pavet diamond Lockett necklace that's engraved that the

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>parents gave Missy as a gift is what she gave

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>to Eric.

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 3>To Pond for the money.

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then Munch is like knows about all the

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 2>jewelry lingo and I love ponn shop guy goes, look

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>at you a connoisseur.

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 1>There's so many good pawn shop guys in the show. Yeah.

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Actually, the ring I'm wearing today I got at a

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 3>pawn shop in London. I paid cash.

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>So then missy Uh is like talking to Cabot about

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>how you know she's not good. She could get the

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>death penalty and she's like, you can't kill me. I'm

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>already dead.

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 3>And when she sees the necklace hanging like holding she

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 3>the anger on her face is like she's pissed, she's

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 3>got got and she's done.

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 1>But the so the episode ends, Yeah, I think you

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>think it's gonna end just like I'm usually you fade

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>to dick wolf.

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 3>On I'm already dead like a line like that. You think,

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 3>but supposed there it feel sad, Yeah, scared, I don't.

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it's like a really it's a really

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>good time. Because you said she was a team monologue.

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>She does look little like she looks like she's fourteen

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>fifteen in this show.

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's twenty nineteen or twenty.

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 2>So to me, like while watching it, thinking she's a teen,

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching these horrific cold and she does this murderous

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 2>lean in. Yeah, it's like, I mean, the lighting in

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>this show, everything is.

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 3>It's so good.

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.160
<v Speaker 1>So then the episode kind of ends with the dad

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to ask Cabot to like spare her a little bit,

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>like to take the death penalty off the table, and

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>he's like, can't you see how damaged Missy is? And

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>you don't always hear the title of the episode just

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>so succinctly put in there, but and Cabot's just kind

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>of like.

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 2>No, I gotta follow the law, which bothers me because

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Cabot breaks the law all the time. This reminds me

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>of you don't even watch Below Deck, but it's like

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>it's maritime lots, merritime lots, like you break the rules constantly, Cabot,

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>can you just not kill this team?

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't understand why she kind of like that.

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Jury would ever give us somebody with such a traumatic

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>pass the death penalty like that though, I really don't Okay,

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>all right, well.

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 3>That and then so with this, dad gonna visit her

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 3>in jail, Like that's what I don't under I don't know.

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, this was one of our favorite episodes, so our

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 1>recap was extensive.

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, hopefully feel depressed. Yeah, get ready to hear

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:12.720
<v Speaker 3>about how this happened in real life. We'll be right back.

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 3>Welcome back. Let's dive in.

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:31.240
<v Speaker 2>So this case, is there some sister and sister rape murder?

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>There is, But so I'll just warn you up top,

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 2>this is pretty fucked.

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 3>But what why this case? So first, this case.

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Is Canadian, so that's you know, we think Canada is

0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 2>so nice and nothing happens there and so these are

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 2>probably the most famous killers in Canada. Canada's pretty embarrassed

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 2>about it. And then I don't know because the case

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 2>is so fucked up. But I think the reason it's

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:57.760
<v Speaker 2>so popular is because they're hot.

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>They were called the Ken and Barbie Killers, and I

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>think the the bar for hotness and killers is low,

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 1>because you know they're fine.

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.399
<v Speaker 3>There are for hotness in Canada as low. And I'm

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 3>just kidding. No, Drake looks.

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, blonde, they're blondes, they're and love,

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 2>they're young, and so everyone was shocked at these canon

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Barbie killers and that's what they're called if you want

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>to google.

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 3>Yah and one of their real names.

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 2>So their real names are Carla Hamalka and Paul Bernardo.

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember what he looks like specifically, but I

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:33.280
<v Speaker 1>remember I've seen Carla Hamolka like in when I've looked

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>up this crime before, and she's very like, yeah, eighties

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Barbie like big eighties hair like she looks like your

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>eighties dream girl.

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'll just mention this up top if that

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 2>name does sound familiar to you.

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 3>This past year, Don't Fuck With.

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Cats came out on Netflix, Yes, which was a popular

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>true crimey type docuseries about Luke Magnata Luca Magnata and

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.760
<v Speaker 2>basically he puts up videos on the internet of killing cats.

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:02.879
<v Speaker 2>He ends up killing a man and then these two

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 2>dorks from the internet that deserve their own show loved them.

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 2>They get this online community to help find this guy.

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 2>And he was connected with Hamalka because he said that

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 2>he dated her, but it's not true.

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 3>He just loved Well.

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Then he came in a videos where he's like, Carla

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>and I are not an item, and it was.

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Like nobody said you were. Like he would create stories

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 3>about himself.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 1>And then refute them and like give interviews as if

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 1>he was important, like he was TMZ or something.

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he also so one of the people he

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>killed he chopped up into different pieces and he sent

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>some of the body to an address for Lauri Haimalka,

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 2>like Carla's other sister.

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 3>That's a lie.

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So if you are like, oh, I've heard these names recently,

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 2>they were part of that.

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>And so this guy was I think it makes sense

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>when you're saying about that this is like one of

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Canada's most famous crimes, because this guy wanted to be infamous.

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.799
<v Speaker 1>This Luca Magnata guy and so he's like, how can

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I be infamous? It's like trying to link yourself to

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Ted Bundy, you know what I mean. Like you just

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 1>are like if I can somehow get involved with like

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 1>get my name linked to her, everyone know who I am,

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so that's just you know, this is a

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.399
<v Speaker 2>crime that keeps on giving and so connected to this

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and it is fucked up people.

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he like vacuum sealed cats.

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>It was yeah, no that, but that's a recommendation if

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you're in two did you watch it?

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah you did watch Oh I watched work with

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 2>the Cats. No, but did you watch the cat killing videos?

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 3>Well? Only what they showed on there?

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because you know that he called it like two cats,

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 2>one one killer or something like he kind.

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Of fucked with the poop video. Yeah, all right, so

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 3>let's see where this starts. Okay. So Carla.

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Basically, well this is really funny. The cops are like,

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>this was a match made in hell, not heaven. So

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:50.279
<v Speaker 1>I love a cop with a saying all right, Basically,

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 1>she was young.

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 2>She was like a teen when she started dating him,

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 2>So she was like later teen, like seventeen something, and

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 2>he was in his twenties, so that's, you know, a

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 2>little weird. But she brought he was six years older

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 2>than her, and she was popular and pretty. But she

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 2>just thought he was the fucking Beasneyes and would do

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 2>anything for him. She bragged about him all the time,

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.439
<v Speaker 2>talked about him like she was devoted to this man,

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>and he was. Paul was the youngest of three and

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>he did have a difficult childhood, you know, stepdads that

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 2>beat him, verbally, abusive. He was a teen peeping tom

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 2>he was peeping in windows. He did go to college.

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 2>He seemed normal.

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a peeping tommy when you're a teen.

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:34.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh is it?

0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 4>No, No, it's not.

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm so they're dating and there is a Scarsborough rapist

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 3>that's out. So the whole town is scared and everyone

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 3>is in fear of getting raped and attacked from behind.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 3>All these women are getting attacked and raped. And they said, light.

0:38:55.920 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Hair, young, and just the knowledge of a rapist rapists

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 1>being around is terrorizing this town. In Canada, he made

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:10.279
<v Speaker 1>women call themselves degrading names. He brutalized people on the

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>verge of homicide, and so the attacks were getting more

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>and more violent, and we escalated, and we learned that

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 1>in SVU, and you know, people get more comfortable. You

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 1>can tell if it's someone's first crime or they're an

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 1>experienced killer. And so they were scared that this was

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna get worse and worse. And he was driven by

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a sexual drive that was misdirected, and they knew that

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it would not stop until he was caught. The couple

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>met eighty seven when there was already three Scarborough rape attacks.

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:46.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean, have I said the town name wrong every

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:47.360
<v Speaker 3>single time? Probably?

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I've said it different every time. So there were already

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 2>three rape attacks before before they started dating. The sketches

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 2>released and it looks just like him. He starts getting

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 2>called from everywhere being like, bro, are you the Scarborough rapist?

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, like I just didn't apt out of a phone.

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:10.160
<v Speaker 1>If anyone wants to know that, I am committed to

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 1>this podcast. But yeah, so everyone's like, uh, our friend

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 1>is a rapist. We think he looks exactly like this

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 1>drawing that's been released. And the cops said that they've

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 1>never heard of men turning their friends in for rape.

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.839
<v Speaker 1>Usually they defend I said that, never mind, I thought

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the cops those my noteses didn't say that.

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:35.320
<v Speaker 3>I was shocked that boys are turning in their friends.

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Usually boys like have their friend's backs and don't turn

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:39.959
<v Speaker 2>them in and defend black.

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's weird. This guy that looks like you is

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:43.280
<v Speaker 3>doing all these crimes.

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 2>That, yeah, I can't believe it. So so whatever. So

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the Scarborough rapist things happened. So he moves to Saint

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Catherine to live with her parents. So suddenly the Scarborough

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>attacks stop, and in Saint Catherine.

0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 3>The talks start.

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, and no one suspects the thing that no

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:05.399
<v Speaker 2>one thinks, no one cares, no one, but legit. They

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 2>stop in one town, start in another, all based on

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 2>his movements.

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Now Christmas rolls around and he asks her to have

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 2>sex with her sister, which is rape. Obviously she's underage.

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Tammy is fifteen at the time, and I wrote she's

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>a virgo, which is where vogue virgos.

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 4>She's not.

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 3>I just looked up.

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 2>It says Tammy was a virgo and Paul wanted a

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 2>fuck a virgin.

0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 3>It is virgin, because why would I write virgo? It

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 3>just auto correction.

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 2>It did because the next one he was a virgo

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:41.240
<v Speaker 2>and Paul wanted a fuck a virgin.

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Tammy was a virgin and Paul wanted a fuck a virgin,

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and she agrees. She just loves Paul so fucking much

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 2>that she agrees to drug her sister and let her

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 2>my fucking my notes changed Beyonce to finance. I mean,

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I need a this is nuts, okay, But she lets

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Paul drug and rape her sister. They used animal tranquilizer

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 2>that they stole from.

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:13.399
<v Speaker 3>A vet clinic. Jesus, and they videotaped the whole thing.

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 2>So while the family is all sleeping on Christmas, they

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 2>are drugging and raping one of the daughters.

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:23.200
<v Speaker 7>I mean, it.

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Is so fucked up. And then he orders Carla to

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 2>assault the sister. So this is a little different from

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 2>us to you. She's the yeah h he makes her

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 2>do it, and so they both rape Tammy. Tammy begins

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:40.399
<v Speaker 2>to vomit and choke, and they dress her and hide

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the camera. They call nine one one and they act

0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:46.839
<v Speaker 2>shocked and everything they said. They try to revive her

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 2>but couldn't, and Christmas Eve she was dead.

0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Nobody taught the sister she.

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Was actually fourteen and her birthday was like on New

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Year's Day. Wow, a few days later she would have

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 1>turned fifteen. She never made it, shees, nobody thought the

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>sister did it. They did find a burn mark on

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 1>her face, but she's but they also said she died

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:09.560
<v Speaker 1>of natural causes.

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 2>So this is like pretty bad police work. But they

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 2>said that it was a the Carla and Paul said

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 2>the burn mark on her face was from rugburn from

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to revive her, and so they just took it

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:28.399
<v Speaker 2>at face value. Drugs, drinking, it's the holidays, totally normal, and.

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 1>She was just taking veterinary tranquilizers for fun. Well, my

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.440
<v Speaker 1>ketamine is right, people take ketamine for fun, and this

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>is a horse tranquilizer.

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess, but maybe they didn't even do the

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 3>the test yet. But also I don't think the cops

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:48.240
<v Speaker 3>brains went to Oh of course they drugged and raped

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 3>your mind to go. Yeah, so that's a great thing.

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, so I know one thought that did Carla

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and Paul move into their own home and poor de

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Lucy And I'm saying that correctly because I spelled it phonetically. No,

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:04.880
<v Speaker 2>so they moved to Port de Lucy and his aggression

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 2>actually starts to turn onto Carla and that's the thing

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.080
<v Speaker 2>with narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths, anything.

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.240
<v Speaker 3>You you think.

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 2>That they're going to treat you different or that you're special,

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 2>and it's not like they're eventually going to treat you

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>like they treat everybody else.

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 3>And so that's just something.

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.040
<v Speaker 2>If your friends with someone that you think you can change,

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna So he he lets her know that

0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:32.439
<v Speaker 2>he's this rapist and that he's the Scarborough rapist and.

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 1>He's been all this time and now he just finally

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 1>tells her this, yeah, okay.

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>And then starts abusing her, and she doesn't want to

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>leave him and fear that he will tell her parents

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.520
<v Speaker 2>that she killed her sister, which I think is a

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 2>fair fear to have. And then he did give DNA

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 2>two months earlier, but it wasn't tested yet because DNA

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>is just like not the same as it is now

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>as parts of using So they decide to get married,

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:03.439
<v Speaker 2>and as a wedding present, he brings Carla a young

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:06.160
<v Speaker 2>woman named Leslie. And Leslie is a fourteen year old

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 2>girl and he wanted to keep her as a sex slave,

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:12.279
<v Speaker 2>and he abducted her from her own backyard, luring her

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 2>with a cigarette.

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, teens love a cigarette. Yeah, I don't.

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I would have, you know, because people are like candy

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 2>or puppies and like, I wouldn't betray me.

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>If you had been like, hey, i've got a Parliament light,

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I would have been like, where are coming?

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 2>So unfortunately that sucks. So June ninety one, middle of

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the night, he wakes her up and he's like, guess what, babe,

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I got a fourteen year old girl here, and together

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:38.839
<v Speaker 2>they hold her captive in their home and assaulting her,

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:40.399
<v Speaker 2>recording this all on video.

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.760
<v Speaker 3>They strangle her, cut up. This is intense.

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 2>They strangle her, cut up her body in case, the

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 2>pieces in concrete blocks and drop them in the water.

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 2>And this is two weeks before their wedding. Jesus, I've

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 2>never even heard of all the movies, all the shows,

0:45:58.600 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 2>all the true crime.

0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like what the Mob used to do was put

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 3>people in concrete.

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was full bodies though, I've just never

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 2>but that wouldn't make sense.

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know. It depends on what kind of

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 3>cement access you have, I guess. Yeah, and the mob does,

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 3>aren't they like all construction? Everyone?

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sleeping with the fish Oh, there's a funny Simpsons

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 2>a fish called so I'm sorry.

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 3>No, they say sleeping with the fishes.

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 2>They think someone's dead, but actually Troy McLure focks fish

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's like funny if anyone wants like an appetite,

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>not an app and a palette cleanser. After we find

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 2>out about the Yeah, I mean, the thing is they're

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 2>like a young hawk, like who knows how to cut

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 2>people up.

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 3>And put them in concrete blocks. It's just like so

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:45.160
<v Speaker 3>fucked up. They find the body of Leslie the day

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:49.759
<v Speaker 3>of the wedding in the concrete blocks. How I don't

0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 3>know they find it. So it's fucking gruesome.

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.840
<v Speaker 2>It's you know, it's heinous as fuck, and there's a

0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 2>veil of fear in Ontario. People are scared, but you know,

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 2>these people are dancing the horror at this wedding.

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:08.279
<v Speaker 3>So they bring this FBI guy to help. They need

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:08.800
<v Speaker 3>the FBI.

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 2>And I was really confused about this, Like I didn't

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 2>realize FBI people because I know, like through Dexter, I

0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 2>learned like you can FBI people go help police stations

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 2>and you.

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Can him it in Canada.

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:21.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's wild that they don't have their

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>own FBI. But maybe we just have more crimes here.

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea, but they brought someone from the

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>FBI to help the case because it was like, so

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 2>I brought like is it under the table? Is it consulting?

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:35.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know about their friends, so whatever. So Carla

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>starts enticing girls like she's now an ant. So he

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 2>wants virgins and yeah, so they find virgins.

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:47.520
<v Speaker 3>He's obsessed. She becomes like the Gallain Maxwell, yes.

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And they want moments and trophy, like they

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 2>want memento, so they videotape all of it. So they

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.920
<v Speaker 2>videotape all the attacks. So Kristin French was walking home

0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:00.080
<v Speaker 2>from school in nineteen ninety two, so this is now.

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Leslie was in ninety one, this is nineteen ninety two,

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.319
<v Speaker 2>and Carla asked, will you help with directions? And they

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:09.359
<v Speaker 2>had a map. They're very good actors. I think that's

0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.319
<v Speaker 2>what we're learning. Killers really know how to act. And

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 2>so I wonder how many hall I mean, who knows?

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine?

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Meryl Streep is a murderer.

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.399
<v Speaker 2>So they have a map out they're like, we need help.

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:25.400
<v Speaker 2>They bring her into the car. She's a reported missing ASAP.

0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Witnesses do tell police they saw a girl with two

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.240
<v Speaker 2>people in a church parking lot in a beij Camaro.

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.839
<v Speaker 2>There's yeah, God, if you're gonna drive a Camaro, why

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:36.399
<v Speaker 2>would you have a to be bage? But the thing

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 2>is it was the wrong lead of a car, so

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:42.320
<v Speaker 2>that bought these two some time. He drove a gold Nissan,

0:48:42.360 --> 0:48:46.120
<v Speaker 2>not a tan Camaro. So and we learned this from

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of SVU moments too. Wherever they open it

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 2>up to the public to call with advice, you know, tips.

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the tips range. They're afraid there's too many.

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some aren't real, so it's really it's hard to

0:48:58.000 --> 0:48:59.520
<v Speaker 2>go off of people tips.

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 3>But whatever, So they got the call wrong.

0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Paul and Carla keep her for several days, raping and sodomizing.

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Her, and then they strangle her good.

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:11.880
<v Speaker 2>They're fucking lunatics. The body has found April of nineteen

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:16.240
<v Speaker 2>ninety two. In nineteen ninety three, Paul beat the shit

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:17.920
<v Speaker 2>out of Carla and she had to go to the

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 2>er and the DNA is finally tested like I don't

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 2>know from them or what, but they knew it was

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Paul Bernardo. And the FBI guy said that he didn't

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.720
<v Speaker 2>figure it out faster, but that he's the Scarsborough rapist

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.120
<v Speaker 2>and Saint Catherine's murder. So the FBI guy is sad

0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>that he didn't connect all those together cause and the

0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:39.399
<v Speaker 2>cops were right here about the escalation they just done.

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's poor police work, poor investigating everything. At

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:47.399
<v Speaker 2>least the FBI guy is taking responsibility for not being

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:48.440
<v Speaker 2>able to tie it together.

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:50.319
<v Speaker 3>But they were right. He did escalating, It did go

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 3>to murder, it did get more.

0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Vicious, and it sucks that they weren't faster in finding well.

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>DNA would have helped if it was like as commonplace

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>because this is the early nineties, it's just not as

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:03.640
<v Speaker 1>big yeah as it is now.

0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it's less than two years of marriage.

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:09.399
<v Speaker 3>She moves out.

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, she thought that she was at the police for

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.480
<v Speaker 2>domestic violence against her, but they knew she was married

0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:17.520
<v Speaker 2>to the psycho. So these are the cop games that

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 2>were used to on SBU. She confesses everything to the family.

0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 2>She gets a lawyer and tells the truth. The truth

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:29.000
<v Speaker 2>in quotes, I would say, because she holds the key

0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:33.520
<v Speaker 2>to putting him away. But she only agrees to testify

0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 2>for a reduced sentence, and a lot of Canadians and

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:39.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people and people that are interested in

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:42.239
<v Speaker 2>true crying. They call this like it's the deal of

0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the century with the fucking devil. I mean, this is

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 2>pretty insane. She did do all these things, but for

0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>her testimony, he as a subjective or not he is

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 2>more dangerous than her. Maybe maybe not, but they needed

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.680
<v Speaker 2>to put him away, so she they agree. She blames

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 2>him and said that he forced her against her will

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and that the proof is all in the home videos.

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 2>February nineteen ninety three, there rest Paul and then to

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 2>find the videos was a seventy one day search and

0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>they need those videos. Yeah, like because without the videos

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a he said, she said, and they're both not

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.759
<v Speaker 2>really that credible and stuff, and like she does have

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>sympathy because he did abuse her, but the videos were

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:29.239
<v Speaker 2>really important for this case and her plea deal was

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:32.840
<v Speaker 2>kept secret from the public because the public would be

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:36.960
<v Speaker 2>so mad. Carla gets twelve years in jail. She actually

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 2>gets two twelve year sentences, but she got to serve them.

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Concurrently, not consecutively. Yeah, they call it the deal of

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:48.120
<v Speaker 3>the century, truly, the deal of the century.

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And they had to keep it Serve twelve. You think

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.160
<v Speaker 2>we'll get to it, okay, But so there's no news.

0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 2>There's a news ban, like no one is allowed in.

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 2>That's a report, like they are keeping this trial so secret.

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:02.320
<v Speaker 2>They cannot fuck with this trial.

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 3>Shit in the US because everyone's just is too hungry

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:06.840
<v Speaker 3>for are there no trial bards.

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 1>There are trials that are kept like not secret, but

0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:11.600
<v Speaker 1>no press is allowed. But I mean I think that

0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:14.799
<v Speaker 1>they still are like sensationalized in the media either way.

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they kept this so secret.

0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 2>This is also before OJ, and I feel like OJ

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:23.799
<v Speaker 2>was probably like the big media circus that kind of

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 2>changed crime reporting forever. I would say, I don't, I can't,

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:30.880
<v Speaker 2>but I'm it could also been before Ojan.

0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm just young and I'm not thinking about history. But

0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 3>OJ did really feel like the first kind of public

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 3>crime that we were let into the yeah detail for

0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:41.400
<v Speaker 3>DA four or something for years.

0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 2>So in May ninety five in Toronto, Paul Bernardo trial happens,

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:46.839
<v Speaker 2>people line up for.

0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Blocks to get a seat inside. He pleads not guilty,

0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 1>of course, to nine charges, and the videos were crucial

0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:56.239
<v Speaker 1>evidence that Carla is raping her sister and assaulting and

0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:59.120
<v Speaker 1>nobody is forcing her. There wasn't a gunder her head

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>or anything, and the tapes would have changed her sentencing

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:03.320
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Wow yeah, so well.

0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:11.799
<v Speaker 1>I okay, and just to play devil's advocate because listen, I.

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Know, listen to this, you're gonna love this.

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:19.279
<v Speaker 1>When he was on his own, the women lived, whoa,

0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:22.160
<v Speaker 1>he just raped them. But when it was with Carla,

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the women were killed because she probably had like a

0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 1>resentment towards them for like sleeping with her husband, even

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:32.960
<v Speaker 1>though it was like this psychosexual.

0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Game that they were doing. She's the true killer. Yeah,

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 3>like green, like Gary Greener.

0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.560
<v Speaker 2>But it is that to me, is like would he

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:42.719
<v Speaker 2>have escalated all the way to murder on his own

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:46.240
<v Speaker 2>or did he need Carla to complete the murders because

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:50.319
<v Speaker 2>without be pre Carla, everyone survived. So it's again it's

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:54.120
<v Speaker 2>theory because we'll never know time wise. She says he's

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>the mastermind. And then they played the tapes. You know,

0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the tryal lasts four months. The public can only hear

0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 2>audio but not see them, and the jury did get

0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 2>to watch the videos. He made the girl say he's

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the king and they'll do anything he wants.

0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, there was a lot of stuff.

0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:12.600
<v Speaker 3>He was found. The jury only deliberates for eight hours.

0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:17.520
<v Speaker 3>I believe in that along with tapes. Yeah, I wonder.

0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:19.439
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's probably one guy that was like, oh

0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:21.360
<v Speaker 2>but come on, are you sure?

0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:24.319
<v Speaker 3>But those smuts wanted it, Okay, I need to know

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 3>how much time these people got. Okay. So yeah, the

0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:31.959
<v Speaker 3>worst deal ever in Canada. Oh what's amazing is there

0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.800
<v Speaker 3>was a six month inquiry into the police work because

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 3>the cops failed and mishandled the case so badly. There

0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.840
<v Speaker 3>were so many mistakes and it fell through by just

0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:47.319
<v Speaker 3>like moving from community to community, so they like the

0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 3>cops are unable to work together. And because they just moved,

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 3>this didn't go anywhere. And this actually made the Canadians

0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:56.480
<v Speaker 3>have a new system to track serial criminals. Yeah.

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's like the Golden State killer. Like he

0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:01.080
<v Speaker 1>was all up and down californ and none of these

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:03.560
<v Speaker 1>jurisdictions talk to each other, so he just was getting

0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:05.480
<v Speaker 1>away with it for so long. She is.

0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'm glad that Canada did something about it

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.600
<v Speaker 2>and created a new system to track people. In two

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:13.600
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, a twenty five year old Carla Is

0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:16.719
<v Speaker 2>let out of jail after serving twelve years. People didn't

0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:19.320
<v Speaker 2>think it was long enough obviously, and that she's the

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:20.520
<v Speaker 2>true psychopath of the group.

0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:22.520
<v Speaker 3>But what are you going to do? In February two

0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:24.640
<v Speaker 3>thousand and seven, she gave birth to a baby boy.

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh so this is what always makes me mad when

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I think like dating and stuff as hard as when

0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I see these psychopaths just like get.

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Love and children. Yeah, I don't want a child. Wait,

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.879
<v Speaker 3>did you say how what Paul happened to Paul?

0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 2>He was found guilty on all counts and he got

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 2>life in prison, eligible for pearl and twenty five years.

0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:49.439
<v Speaker 3>I doubt they're going to give him pearle. So, yeah,

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:50.120
<v Speaker 3>life in prison.

0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if he I wonder if he tried to

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.960
<v Speaker 1>ever say oh no it was Carla, Like do you

0:55:57.960 --> 0:55:58.239
<v Speaker 1>think he.

0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 3>Ever turned on her? I don't know.

0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:04.879
<v Speaker 2>And also, well I saw somewhere like Carla's volunteering at

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:08.839
<v Speaker 2>a Montreal school sometimes like she paid her debt and

0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 2>she's out and about and she's raising her son, And

0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:13.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, are you gonna tell your son he's gonna

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:14.280
<v Speaker 2>find out?

0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 3>Is it immoral?

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 1>You must not have a sex defender registry in Canada

0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.480
<v Speaker 1>because you wouldn't be allowed to be near children if

0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:24.359
<v Speaker 1>you were found guilty of like killing a fourteen year old.

0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and then with sexual registries, can you have

0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:31.600
<v Speaker 3>your own kids? Yeah? I mean I can't hire a life.

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:33.759
<v Speaker 1>You have to go to iced attention for that to

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.480
<v Speaker 1>happen to you in this country. Sorry, I'm getting political.

0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:39.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Maybe I should have found more information

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 3>on what they're up to.

0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Now, this is what's tard because I was about to say,

0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:46.279
<v Speaker 2>don't do things to impress your boyfriend, but she could

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 2>have been the mastermind of a lot of.

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 3>The Yeah, we don't know. That's what's really wild.

0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just gonna say, if a man asks to

0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:56.000
<v Speaker 2>rape your sister on Christmas, say no, that's not the

0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 2>man for you.

0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:57.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:56:57.920 --> 0:57:00.480
<v Speaker 1>So, but you have to think also that it's not

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:03.080
<v Speaker 1>like he threw that out her at her Like first thing.

0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.160
<v Speaker 1>They obviously had some kind of like psycho sexual relationship

0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:08.680
<v Speaker 1>going on where he was probably manipulating her a lot,

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and she was so in love with him, Like you said,

0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:13.560
<v Speaker 1>she talked about him all the time, she bragged about him.

0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:15.560
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, yeah, he probably.

0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Kept inching up and inching up, like how much he

0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:20.080
<v Speaker 1>could push her boundaries until he suggested this thing. It

0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>was never like let's kill her. It was like, I

0:57:21.840 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 1>want to have sex with your sister, Like won't that

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:24.120
<v Speaker 1>be hot?

0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:26.560
<v Speaker 3>She's like the same as you. I mean he probably

0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:27.000
<v Speaker 3>just you know.

0:57:28.360 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 1>And then like maybe that wasn't supposed to be a

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:32.120
<v Speaker 1>murder because it sounds like the way she died was

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:36.120
<v Speaker 1>more of an accident. But yeah, because she woke up,

0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 1>but even the second not the crimes that followed, so

0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>they obviously got a taste for it afterwards.

0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:41.240
<v Speaker 3>And I want to give a quick shout out.

0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.160
<v Speaker 2>I think SVU did a really great job of like

0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:49.240
<v Speaker 2>somehow making the story even more disgusting and wild when.

0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 3>You make it younger, it's more traumatic, but also sticking

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:54.640
<v Speaker 3>to a lot of these facts and switching it.

0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:57.920
<v Speaker 2>And like they they globbed on the baby details and

0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.240
<v Speaker 2>put them in. I think they did a really good

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:05.480
<v Speaker 2>job adapting this crime into their show. And now we

0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 2>have a guest and I can't wait.

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, excited to talk to our guests, and we will

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:11.120
<v Speaker 1>be back with all that.

0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:20.280
<v Speaker 3>It is now time for our guests, and I'm super thrilled.

0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:24.160
<v Speaker 3>She is the star of this episode and in one

0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 3>of my favorite movies for a good time call.

0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:32.120
<v Speaker 1>She starred this year in Hulu series Missus America. You've

0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 1>seen her on showtimes I'm dying up here. She was

0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:39.320
<v Speaker 1>truly Liza's first request when we decided that we were

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:41.320
<v Speaker 1>going to have guests on this podcast. That is not

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:44.000
<v Speaker 1>a joke. We also discovered that she and I went

0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to the same college at the same time for a

0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:50.080
<v Speaker 1>brief amount of time, and we are so so thrilled

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:54.120
<v Speaker 1>to have Missy Kurtz herself on the podcast. Please check

0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:55.840
<v Speaker 1>out our interview with Ari Greener.

0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:58.760
<v Speaker 2>You're IMDb your first roll with Sopranos, and then you

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:00.400
<v Speaker 2>got this giant partner to you.

0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 3>Were you like, I'm so good?

0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:09.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Yeah, I had been doing listen. I had been

0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 5>hitting the pavement for many years on the local community

0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:17.959
<v Speaker 5>theater scene in outside of Boston, and then was doing

0:59:18.040 --> 0:59:21.120
<v Speaker 5>like children's theater there and was like doing all this stuff,

0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:23.960
<v Speaker 5>and then I did the Sopranos and then I mean,

0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:26.680
<v Speaker 5>the Law and Order SVU episode was kind of a

0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:28.720
<v Speaker 5>big deal because I was like, this is a complete

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:32.800
<v Speaker 5>rite of passage for every actor in the world, and

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:37.560
<v Speaker 5>I was like, so, if this is happening, it's happened. Wow,

0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:41.720
<v Speaker 5>it was a very it was a very exciting gig.

0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:44.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean, did you watch the show beforehand?

0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:48.479
<v Speaker 7>I wasn't today watched the show.

0:59:48.520 --> 0:59:51.120
<v Speaker 1>It was only season four, so it's not crazy that

0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:53.400
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't like it was. You were on season four,

0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:56.640
<v Speaker 1>so like it wasn't like at USA marathons all the

0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:58.200
<v Speaker 1>time status yet you know.

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:00.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, like how many seasons are we at now?

1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:03.240
<v Speaker 1>They're about to start twenty two that's what's about to

1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit. Yeah, so you're like, yeah, early days, like I.

1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:11.200
<v Speaker 5>Think i'd seen and you know, i'd seen it, but

1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:14.720
<v Speaker 5>it wasn't like, uh, it was not my I was

1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:17.600
<v Speaker 5>not recording the show, you know what I mean and

1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:20.120
<v Speaker 5>watching it when I got home from school kind of deal.

1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:25.400
<v Speaker 5>But it was still a very thrilling opportunity and it.

1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:27.240
<v Speaker 7>Was like a big role. Yeah, it was like a

1:00:27.240 --> 1:00:27.800
<v Speaker 7>big part.

1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:30.680
<v Speaker 2>But when you read the script and realized how insane

1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.200
<v Speaker 2>your character was going to be and how wild, what

1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:35.400
<v Speaker 2>did you do to prepare and how did you feel

1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:38.360
<v Speaker 2>when you read that you were like raped and helped

1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:39.120
<v Speaker 2>kill your sister.

1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:47.440
<v Speaker 5>I mean, listen, my memory, full disclosure, my memory is

1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:51.680
<v Speaker 5>not great, probably because I've been smoking a little bit

1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:56.919
<v Speaker 5>too much quante, but my uh, I mean I think

1:00:56.960 --> 1:01:01.040
<v Speaker 5>I just was like, what a fun, what a fun,

1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:07.680
<v Speaker 5>outrageous thing to do. I didn't totally understand about how

1:01:07.720 --> 1:01:10.320
<v Speaker 5>I gave my sister Goneria. And I remember like talking

1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:12.320
<v Speaker 5>about it to family friends, being like, yeah, and so

1:01:12.720 --> 1:01:17.520
<v Speaker 5>I played this character and she's sort of troubled and

1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.680
<v Speaker 5>she gives her sister goner Rhea, And that's the thing

1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:22.480
<v Speaker 5>that I remember most from it.

1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:25.760
<v Speaker 7>I haven't watched I haven't watched it, Like.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you guys watch all the episodes before you have

1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:28.760
<v Speaker 5>these conversations?

1:01:29.000 --> 1:01:31.400
<v Speaker 1>We also seen your episode. Probably it's one of my

1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:32.200
<v Speaker 1>top favorites.

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<v Speaker 3>It's haunting. Come on, no that I'm not a bit

1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:36.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not exaggerating to you in one And any way,

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<v Speaker 1>when we came up with the idea for this podcast,

1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:43.080
<v Speaker 1>the first thing Lisa said was, oh, my god, do

1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:44.760
<v Speaker 1>you think we can get Auri Greener for the episode

1:01:44.800 --> 1:01:45.200
<v Speaker 1>she's in.

1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:49.200
<v Speaker 3>I swear to God, because up, what a triumph do.

1:01:49.600 --> 1:01:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Because I also love for a good time call. I

1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:53.880
<v Speaker 2>think it's like the best movie about female friendship. I

1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:56.800
<v Speaker 2>have a movie sized poster of it, and so I

1:01:57.920 --> 1:01:59.960
<v Speaker 2>was just so thrilled but that speech at the end

1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:01.680
<v Speaker 2>that you give that it's so chilling when you're like,

1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:03.160
<v Speaker 2>you can't kill me, I'm.

1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:04.400
<v Speaker 3>Already, I mean it is.

1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:08.120
<v Speaker 1>It launts me and you're playing a teen and it's

1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:10.760
<v Speaker 1>just it's one of the twists.

1:02:10.800 --> 1:02:13.560
<v Speaker 3>It's so scary. I don't know. It just haunted me

1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:17.400
<v Speaker 3>for years now.

1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:18.720
<v Speaker 5>I will say, and I don't know what this says

1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:22.880
<v Speaker 5>about my career, but that episode, in that line in particular,

1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:26.160
<v Speaker 5>is so is still oft quoted to me.

1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:30.439
<v Speaker 7>It really resonated with people. I guess it really hit

1:02:30.680 --> 1:02:31.720
<v Speaker 7>really hit a nerve.

1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's so many it's just it's so twisted, and

1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:38.280
<v Speaker 2>there's so many turns where then there's a restraining order,

1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:41.080
<v Speaker 2>they can't get to the sister, there's organs and needing

1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:41.920
<v Speaker 2>to be donated.

1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:47.120
<v Speaker 3>It's it's did somebody did she die? Yeah? Or yeah?

1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:48.480
<v Speaker 7>Did I kill her?

1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:49.120
<v Speaker 5>No?

1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:49.560
<v Speaker 3>You?

1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean you, well she died in the shooting that

1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you set up with your boyfriend and your boyfriend's friends, right,

1:02:57.040 --> 1:02:58.720
<v Speaker 1>and you a necklace.

1:02:58.360 --> 1:03:00.600
<v Speaker 3>For money and you paid them and then they he

1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:03.840
<v Speaker 3>was willing that's another favorite line where he was willing

1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:06.200
<v Speaker 3>to take the death penalty for you but then and

1:03:06.240 --> 1:03:08.160
<v Speaker 3>they're like, of course he loved you, he would have

1:03:08.200 --> 1:03:10.840
<v Speaker 3>done that and you go, but he didn't, and it's

1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:12.120
<v Speaker 3>that was really a good one too.

1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:13.400
<v Speaker 4>Oh wow.

1:03:13.960 --> 1:03:17.760
<v Speaker 5>I do remember shooting like there was some scene the

1:03:17.800 --> 1:03:19.360
<v Speaker 5>scenes that I remember shooting.

1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:22.000
<v Speaker 7>I remember shooting that end.

1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:26.320
<v Speaker 5>Scene and I remember like being in my jail jumpsuit

1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:29.560
<v Speaker 5>and Stephanie Marsh being there and thinking she was really

1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:32.120
<v Speaker 5>pretty and like leaning into the camera for like, you

1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:33.760
<v Speaker 5>can't kill me, I'm already dead.

1:03:34.160 --> 1:03:36.600
<v Speaker 7>And then I remember, and then I remember.

1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:40.720
<v Speaker 5>There was like a secret camera footage of me seducing

1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:43.920
<v Speaker 5>my boyfriend h As played by Chris Denham.

1:03:43.960 --> 1:03:46.640
<v Speaker 7>He's such a good actor, and that was kind of the.

1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:49.760
<v Speaker 5>First time that i'd ever like gotten to do something

1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:53.920
<v Speaker 5>kind of sexy, and so I remember that was kind

1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:58.240
<v Speaker 5>of fun, and I feel like maybe like like like

1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:00.480
<v Speaker 5>I and I remember like really kissing him like I'd

1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:02.520
<v Speaker 5>never done a kiss before like that, So I didn't

1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:06.400
<v Speaker 5>know like the protocol about like using tongue or not,

1:04:06.600 --> 1:04:08.520
<v Speaker 5>and it's possible that I did.

1:04:09.360 --> 1:04:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Just lifted in there to be as real as possible.

1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:14.480
<v Speaker 7>I was like this, you have to make this real.

1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:18.880
<v Speaker 5>I remember that, and then I remember some scene where

1:04:18.960 --> 1:04:22.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm crying, like where they come to maybe they come

1:04:22.960 --> 1:04:24.960
<v Speaker 5>into the house and interview me, and I'm like, you're

1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:26.280
<v Speaker 5>in the hospital.

1:04:25.880 --> 1:04:29.720
<v Speaker 3>You're crying, and att house. She's in a peasant tops.

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<v Speaker 7>I have two braids? Is it possible that I had

1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:34.120
<v Speaker 7>two braids?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1:04:35.600 --> 1:04:36.080
<v Speaker 7>Okay?

1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:38.760
<v Speaker 5>And I remember that was exciting because that was the

1:04:38.800 --> 1:04:43.480
<v Speaker 5>first time, like in a nerdy actor way, that I

1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:46.120
<v Speaker 5>really it was like the first time that I like

1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:51.120
<v Speaker 5>really really cried doing something, Like I felt like I

1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:53.560
<v Speaker 5>got into enough where I was like, whoa, this is

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<v Speaker 5>a feeling when you like really feel the feeling of

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<v Speaker 5>what's going on.

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<v Speaker 7>That was a big deal. It was a big bumm.

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<v Speaker 2>There was also a scene at hospital where it's like

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Bellser and iced tea and then you're there and

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<v Speaker 2>was do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 3>Like that seems so intimidate, Like if I was, I

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<v Speaker 3>would be so because you're this like young actress. It's

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<v Speaker 3>only your second credit. You're there with like iced tea

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<v Speaker 3>and Richard Belzer and you're bawling, and this is when

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<v Speaker 3>we really believe you that you're like upset about your

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<v Speaker 3>sister and all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, I definitely remember that's my dog that's my dog.

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<v Speaker 5>My dog toutsie, Hey touts It's cool. We're all cool, thanks.

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<v Speaker 7>Man. I do remember being like generally intimidated, and I was.

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<v Speaker 5>The kind of person on a set, especially like for

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<v Speaker 5>those first few and by few, I mean like ten

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<v Speaker 5>years on set where I would be like I don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to be in anyone's way, Like I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 7>Like some people are like, hey, here I am, I'm

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<v Speaker 7>on set and pain.

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<v Speaker 5>By the monitor, and I was always like I never

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<v Speaker 5>want to step on anyone's toes.

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<v Speaker 7>I never wanted to be.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>So I remember being like nervous, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 5>everyone was really nice. Oh man, I really wish that

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<v Speaker 5>there was a that I could remember, like me and

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<v Speaker 5>Richard Bilser we must have talked about something like we

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<v Speaker 5>must have had like a chit chat. Me nice, But

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<v Speaker 5>I can't recall it. I should just make up some

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<v Speaker 5>story about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, because we were also going to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>about Mariska's highlights if they looked as good in person

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<v Speaker 2>as on TV. But that seems like a very specific,

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<v Speaker 2>crazy question after so many years.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, I just remember whenever that scene was,

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<v Speaker 5>she walked in and she was super nice, but.

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<v Speaker 7>Was also like, okay, guys, let's let's do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's get out, Like maybe she had theater tickets or

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<v Speaker 5>something like.

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<v Speaker 7>There was something about.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, let's let's do let's get this, And of course

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<v Speaker 5>I was just so excited to be on the set.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, why wouldn't everyone just want to be

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<v Speaker 5>here for as long as humanly possible?

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<v Speaker 7>But she does have great highlights. I wonder what she

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<v Speaker 7>thought about.

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<v Speaker 5>I wonder what like signing up for a show like

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<v Speaker 5>that and ever imagining you would be doing it for

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two years?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, have you gotten her on the.

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<v Speaker 7>Show where it's a dream.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a dream. We're gonna try try our best. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>first we got to impress her, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all this, Yeah, just thanks for taking the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll smoke a lot of week today and on review.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, oh good, Yeah, thank you so much too.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hope you and TUTSI make it through the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic still friends. All right, let's get that was an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing interview and honestly a dream come true. Lisa was

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<v Speaker 1>glowing the entire time.

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<v Speaker 3>I was and now, well I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, she was amazing, So this is our what

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<v Speaker 2>we call our post mortem. Yeah for anyway, And this

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<v Speaker 2>is where we wrap it up. We tell you our lessons,

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<v Speaker 2>what we learned. And it's a fun clever name that

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<v Speaker 2>has to do with law and order, murder postmortem but

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<v Speaker 2>fun Morgan's here post mortem.

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<v Speaker 3>But make it, make it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope we can go to a morgue one day

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<v Speaker 2>for not sad reasons. I'd like to see what they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like a tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, if you're a mortician listener out there, or you

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<v Speaker 1>were or a medical examiner, hit us up, because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>also thinking of like death Becomes Her and men in

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<v Speaker 1>black like I've just never been a part of you

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<v Speaker 1>want to slide one of those bodies out of the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, open one of those little refrigerator doors and be.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, psh, what did we learn? Let's learn.

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<v Speaker 1>My major takeaway is, look, I've got a little sister.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a little sister. Let's not let's just not

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<v Speaker 1>give up our little sisters as sexual favors to people.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that that was in the real case that

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<v Speaker 1>she gave her little sister up, and in this case, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Missy's character just kind of like wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>To trouble I love when Ari goes, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>playing a girl that's really troubled. I'm like, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>vag understatement to say full blown psychopath. I also would

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<v Speaker 2>like to say, if you're going to pawn stuff for

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<v Speaker 2>money to commit a crime, leave town. Yeah, go do

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<v Speaker 2>another jurisdiction to pawn. Yeah, you don't want to get caught,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Our goal is to also, through these tips, help people

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<v Speaker 1>commit crime successfully, like stop being dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I didn't realize.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess the pawn people and the police and

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<v Speaker 2>authorities probably have a close knit relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the answer to this, but if your

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<v Speaker 2>kid kills your other kid, do you forgive that kid

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<v Speaker 2>or do you hate that kid?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that depends on the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's really tough. It's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that's happened a lot of times. I've

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<v Speaker 1>read a lot of, you know, stories about that.

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<v Speaker 2>The only time I've heard parents turn in their kid

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<v Speaker 2>was in the movie Alpha Dog with Justin Timberlake, which

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<v Speaker 2>was based on a real crime as well. Watch out

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<v Speaker 2>for our next podcast. I also would like to say,

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<v Speaker 2>if the cops ask you to step outside your home.

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<v Speaker 3>Do not do it. Yeah, do not do it.

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<v Speaker 2>If they say you've won an award even though you

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<v Speaker 2>shot multiple people.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to you need to stay inside the house.

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<v Speaker 2>If your dad is trying to make sure you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get the death penalty, listen to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. If hot girl, even though she's great at sex,

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<v Speaker 3>is telling you kill my sister and fuck her, you

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many other girls you can fuck. There

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<v Speaker 1>are so many others. I know that you're fifteen and

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<v Speaker 1>you think this is a hot girl, there are so

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<v Speaker 1>many other options out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And we did research how to get girl on girl gonorrhea. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and basically if you like use a dildo or any

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<v Speaker 2>other item in yourself and then put it into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Can be transferred. I mean I think you can just

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<v Speaker 1>say it could be transferred through sex choice. Okay, how

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<v Speaker 1>many people get it?

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<v Speaker 3>So we've learned a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this was one of the more horrific episodes

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<v Speaker 2>season four, right out the gate, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah it was. It was truly a to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to Ari. I know, it was like one of our

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<v Speaker 3>first things we wanted when we came up with this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, don't ever go don't ever utter the words out

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<v Speaker 2>loud what could be worse, because they'll find a way,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>What I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>When the mom was She's like, what could be worse

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<v Speaker 1>than this? It's like we have to sit down.

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<v Speaker 3>Says yeah, I got something to tell you out loud?

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<v Speaker 3>Ever ever, ever.

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<v Speaker 1>And now it's time for what would Sister Peg Do?

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<v Speaker 1>Which is our weekly segment where we take a moment

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<v Speaker 1>to give you some more resources to further your knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>on a topic that was tackled in today's episode.

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<v Speaker 3>This week, it's just a book.

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<v Speaker 1>This week's episode dealt with teen psychopaths, so we thought

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<v Speaker 1>we'd I'd recommend John Ronson's book. It's called The Psychopath

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<v Speaker 1>Test and it's a really interesting book about psychopathy that

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<v Speaker 1>is very factual, provides a lot of factual information, but

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<v Speaker 1>it reads more like a fun novel and not like

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<v Speaker 1>a psych textbook or article.

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<v Speaker 3>So we recommend that to all of you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And next week we'll be covering the Sview episode raw,

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<v Speaker 2>so watch along with us. It's season seven, episode six,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can do that on Hulu peacock and if

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<v Speaker 2>you're rich, you.

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