1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm Spencer Graves. That's West Logan, It's lines and times. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Let's jump right into it. It's twenty twenty four, New year, 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: new me, same old stuff. You're changing, though you're doing 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: a lot of different things this. 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: Year a little bit, a little bit or might be 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: more of the same thing. 7 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: I guess we'll get into the NPFL and your decision 8 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: to join that along with the bass Master Elites and 9 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: just a bit. But how was your holiday? Everything good? 10 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: It was good. It was good. First first Christmas in 11 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: New Year's being a married man, so that was pretty 12 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: pretty cool. 13 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Feel any different though, I mean, you and Riley have 14 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: been pretty rock Yeah, I made for a while. 15 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been together almost six years. It was good. 16 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: We kind of didn't really do anything crazy. We just 17 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: kind of enjoyed each other's company with about how crazy 18 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'll be gone, she'll be working, so 19 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: you just kind of with the family or no a 20 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: little Yeah, my mom and dad and you know, a 21 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: couple of my close cousins and stuff like that, grandparents, 22 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: but not really didn't really have a whole big gathering 23 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: or anything like that. 24 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: I had such a hard time, like trying to get 25 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: back to Virginia to go see my family because you know, 26 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: we both live in Alabama. So Birmingham doesn't really have 27 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: an international airport where you can just fly direct anywhere. 28 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: You always have to connect somewhere. So I was going 29 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: to have to go from Birmingham to Atlanta, Atlanta to 30 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: Richmond and then drive and I was like, you know, 31 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: it's too much. 32 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's normally always you got to go 33 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: to Atlanta first and then from wherever from there. 34 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, So usually if somebody tells me like, go to Hell, 35 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I've been to Atlanta. I've gone through 36 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: the airport. Yeah, it's fine. I actually like that airport. 37 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that hate it, but I 38 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: dig it. 39 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: I'm just not a fan of the whole city. But 40 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: that's a different story for a different day. 41 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: I hated it up in Missouri, so I did some 42 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: duck hunting in the North Zone before that closed. It's 43 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: just been such a terrible duck season. And what really 44 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: stinks is they got winter weather right after their duck 45 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: season ended, and from what I'm hearing from my buddies 46 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: up there, they have got ducks piling in to their 47 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: farms and they're getting them all on trail cam and 48 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: they're like, you know, I can't do anything about it. 49 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: But that's also factoring all the way down. So New 50 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: Year's I was in the south zone of a Missouri 51 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: which closed is at the tail end of January, and 52 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: we didn't get a lot of ducks. We got some geese, 53 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: which was really good. We got one duck. This is 54 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: actually one of the best stories. So there's six of 55 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: us in the blind and this one duck comes in. 56 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not a duck that's been here before. 57 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: He's all by himself. He's Drake Mallard. Yeah. He's like, 58 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: oh look there's ducks and there's letters. So that's where 59 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: I gotta go. And they're calling to him the whole deal. 60 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: He comes right across everybody's barrel and then the guy 61 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: on the end he's like take him. I stood up 62 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: and I followed him the whole way and bomb first shot. 63 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: Everybody else starts blasting. They all miss him because he's 64 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: already dropping. We get the bird back in and he's like, well, 65 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: whoever shot first got it. I was like, that's me 66 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: and they were like, dangs, fence, give everybody else a chance, 67 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, y'all saw it came across your barrel though, right, 68 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: But it was. It was a cool trip because, you know, 69 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: hunting just like anything else, it's time on the time 70 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: on the in the blind, hanging out with your buddies. 71 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, but it's kind of on it that. You know, 72 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: we got the winter weather like right now that everybody 73 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 2: was I don't duck hunt, but I got a bunch 74 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: of buddes that they're like, man, it's been too hot, 75 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: it ain't got no rain. Well they got it. Now 76 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: have you ever been I've been twice duck I wouldn't 77 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: call it duck hunting. I went to hunt a duck 78 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: in Alabama. In Alabama and oh, so you're going after woodies, Well, 79 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: we were just going after something with feathers. 80 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you. 81 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: The one time I went that I saw a duck. 82 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: I was with two of my buddies and they said 83 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: they I was in this little you know, their little 84 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: luminum boat on the side of a creek. It was 85 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: in Canoe Creek, a Neil Henry actually. They said, all 86 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: if we see one or two, like, don't shoot because 87 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: they'll circle back around it. Might bring some more in. Dude, 88 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: it just got like you know where you could shoot 89 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: and light and one come in and I didn't think 90 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: nothing about because they told me not to shoot. Dude, 91 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: it got close enough they lit his up. Yeah, and 92 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: both of them missed. And as the last duck we 93 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: saw so. 94 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: My one buddy's place in the North Zona, Missouri. I 95 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: was sitting there just waiting and all of a sudden 96 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: these ducks come flying in. He shoots one off the edge. 97 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: I mean it was probably ten yards and he's shooting 98 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: Boss shy Shells. We couldn't even breast that duck out. 99 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: It destroyed that duck. 100 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: It was gone on impact. It was gone. 101 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: And of course his boys are nine and seven or 102 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: nine and six, and they want to hold up the ducks. 103 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: There's no duck. 104 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: And I said to one of the boys, I was like, hey, 105 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: we're going to put that one down on the ground, 106 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, because that one doesn't look good. 107 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 108 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: They held up the other ducks that we got, but man, 109 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: that one, I mean, Boss Shotschells did what they were 110 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: supposed to do. 111 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people shoot them for sure. 112 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: All right, let's jump right into it. MPFL. You are 113 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: joining that league and you're not walking away from bass 114 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: Master Elite. It just kind of works out good where 115 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: their schedule matches up well with the breaks that you 116 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: have with the bass Master release. Are there any events 117 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: you're not going to make for the MPFL because of 118 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: the bass Master No. 119 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: I'll get to fish. I'll get to fish all of 120 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: them on both sides, which I would obviously fish all 121 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: of the elites. But that's kind of why I made 122 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: the decision. They came out with a schedule and I 123 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: saw that there was no conflict and and I just 124 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: I felt like I needed to fish more and I 125 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: didn't want to go down the opened rout because I mean, 126 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: I fished those for two years, you know, trying to qualify, 127 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: and I feel like if you're not really trying to 128 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: qualify to make the elites, like, that's a hard road 129 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 2: to go down because there's so many talented anglers and 130 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: there's so many people fishing them now, and there is 131 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: the you know, they do have the little carrot hanging 132 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: out there of making the Classic. But my thought process 133 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: of rally was, I said, I can either fish the 134 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: elites focus on them to make the Classic. The an 135 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: easier way and the NPFL just to be on the 136 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: water more and try and make some extra money, or 137 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: go to the opens and try and get that Classic. 138 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: But you know, it's obviously a lot tougher, so I 139 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: obviously went with the NPFL deal. 140 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: Why did you choose to fish more? What was scratching 141 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: you saying you got to fish more? 142 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: I just feel like I haven't been on the water. 143 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: I feel like the last two years, I haven't had 144 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: the greatest of seasons, and I feel like I was 145 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: just solely focusing on the elites, and I would go 146 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: fishing an elite tournament and I would come home and 147 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: I wouldn't even go fishing. I wouldn't fish at home, 148 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do anything. And I feel like I just 149 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: needed to be on the water more, regardless of where 150 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: I was at or what I'm doing. And I feel like, 151 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: you need to just fish more. It gives you some confidence, 152 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: it gets your mind working, like I felt like, or 153 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: I feel like when I would come home and not fish, 154 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: I would kind of not be as sharp. 155 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: Basically, I feel like because you were coming off on 156 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: one of your worst professional seasons. 157 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the when you're not doing good 158 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: and you like, like, if you're in a slump, like 159 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: a baseball players in a slump. Because I played baseball 160 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: in high school, a good bit, I'll swing more. You 161 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: gotta keep swinging, Like I feel like if you had 162 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 2: a bad game and you just went home and didn't 163 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: practice or didn't swing anymore, you're just gonna walk right 164 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: back into the game and pick up where you left off. 165 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: It's just interesting when you hear somebody who's deciding to 166 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: jump into another league in addition to the league that 167 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: they're known for being in. To me, I look at 168 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: it financially and I'm like, man, you talk about the 169 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: financial situation so many people are in that's got to 170 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: be kind of weighing on you a little bit. I mean, 171 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: the npfl's five grand, correct, bast Master's five grand. 172 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're at a five round and pop. It was 173 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 2: we got nine, we got fifteen tournament, so it's at 174 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: five grand a pop. Yeah. And I'm not saying that. 175 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: I that I'm financially stable enough to do that, I know. 176 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: But you're hedging your bets. I mean you're literally looking 177 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: at it like, hey, I'm gonna get into these tournaments 178 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: because one I got to sharpen my tools. I gotta 179 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: be ready to go. Yeah, and I feel like I 180 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: can still be competitive, whether it's in PFL or bass Master. 181 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: You just feel like you're gonna have more of an opportunity. 182 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean you got to look at it. 183 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: Your you got fifteen chances to win one hundred grand, 184 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: so I mean, and obviously you're not gonna go out 185 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: there fifteen times and win every one of them. But 186 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: the odds, you know, you kind of look at the 187 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: odds and I had enough. I've obviously had enough money 188 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: to pay the Elite Series entry fees. I've you know, 189 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: I've worked and worked my butt off in the off 190 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: season when I figured out I was gonna do the NPFL, 191 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: which is an extra thirty thousand dollars. But again, I 192 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: looked at it from a business decision. I just feel 193 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: like fishing both of them, I can make my money 194 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: back as well as, you know, be a better angler 195 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: and be a lot sharper because I'm no, not trying 196 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: to be cocky, but I'm a lot better fishermen than 197 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: I've been showing like it just something it's mentally and 198 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: a lot of fishing is ninety percent mental. And ten 199 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: percent everything else. So I feel like you just keep 200 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: getting on the water and fishing as much as you 201 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: can and let everything work out. 202 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: I looked at the schedule last year with the MPFL 203 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: and started to think to myself, Man, if I was 204 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 1: a bass Master Elite, or if I was in MLF 205 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: fishing the Bass Pro Tour and I was hearing that 206 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: Patrick Walters won two tournaments for one hundred grand at 207 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: the NPFL, and I'm going up against the best of 208 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: the best for one hundred grand in the elites or 209 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: the bass Pro I think I would have started looking 210 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: at it. Did that factor in where you started to 211 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: see some of the success that other pros were having 212 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: in the MPFL. 213 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I don't know, not really, because I. 214 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: Mean, look at how many pros are now joining the 215 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: MPFL well compared to what it was. 216 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 2: Right, That's what I was going to say. I said something, 217 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: Something's guys are seeing something at the NPFL, because I 218 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: mean what that was maybe two guys to or three 219 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: elite guys. I think maybe only two John Cox and 220 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: Patrick last year, and then this year, I think there's 221 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: like twelve or thirteen of us along with the I 222 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: think there's bird is coming over from or MLF from 223 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: from the you know, Patrick doing good. Patrick kicks our 224 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 2: butt over on the elite. So it's like it's not 225 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: surprising that he wins anywhere he goes, and he's won, 226 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: you know, multiple opens. He's probably one of the best 227 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: out there right now. But just I didn't even really 228 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 2: look at the field because I know that even if 229 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: you don't know the names of the guys, like, you know, 230 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: they're you know, probably very good fish catchers. And I 231 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: know some of them that fish you know regionally, and 232 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: they're they're really good anglers. And it wasn't really about that. 233 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: It was basically just wanting to go fishing, and I 234 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: thought that was the best bang for your buck money wise, 235 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: to you know, for a basically a business investment. Like 236 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: I said, Yeah, I. 237 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: Just I was getting phone calls from friends of mine 238 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: that were like, hey, man, I'm thinking about fishing the MPFL. 239 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: And I had the same conversation that I would have 240 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: with anybody. Take a look at the field that's going 241 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: over the MPFL. It's one hundred and thirty anglers or 242 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty four whatever it might be. Now 243 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: you're going up against some tried and true dudes when 244 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: it comes to professional fishing and you're trying to get 245 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: in the top sixty. Yeah, and you're spending sixty thousand 246 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: dollars or thirty thousand dollars whatever it is, five grand 247 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: a tournament in order to do it. Dude, My hat 248 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: is off to some of those guys because I know, 249 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: for me, where I'm at in my fishing game, I'll 250 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 1: stick it out in the Toyota Series. That'll be the 251 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: highest level that I go right now. 252 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's nothing wrong with the Toyota Series, and 253 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with those guys, you know, spending that 254 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: money to come fish, because like I've heard it all 255 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: the time and here in the last few years, you know, 256 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: it's not a working man's sport anymore. Blah blah blah. Dude, 257 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: every guy that's there was a working man. We just 258 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 2: took a chance. Like I mean, I didn't have the 259 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: money when I fished the opens or fished the FW Tour. 260 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: I didn't have the money, and you weren't given anything, No, dude. 261 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: When I started the FW Tour back when it was 262 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: the actual fow when the dudes were still over there 263 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: in seventeen and eighteen, Like I paid my first first 264 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: entry fee to Posit and had five hundred dollars left 265 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: in my bank account before I went to the first tournament. 266 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it is literally it's gambling. 267 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: It is one hundred, it's it's it's like, it's literally. 268 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: The World Series of Pokers. Yes, you got a fishing 269 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: pole and a boat. 270 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,599 Speaker 2: Like instead of dealing with cards, you're dealing with a 271 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: little green things coming around the brain, the size of 272 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: the pea like that. You can't, you know, you can't 273 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: make him as good as you want to be, Like 274 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: I feel like basketball poker. Poker is a little different 275 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: because you don't know how the cards go. But people like. 276 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: You're also not trying to bluff other people. You could 277 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: have a bad hand in poker and still will You can't. 278 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: You can't bluff him Scales. No, No, definitely not. It's 279 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: a whole different game. 280 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 2: Like you can't you know, you can't affect the weather, 281 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: the fish, and the fish the way they act, like 282 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: it's all subject to to not not be the way 283 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: you want it to be. So it's gambling, But it's 284 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: kind of if you really look at we're kind of dumb. Like, 285 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: it's probably one of the stupidest things in the world. 286 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: You and I had a conversation not too long ago, 287 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: and it actually resonates really well with this conversation about 288 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: tournament fishing and how your mental approach to tournament fishing 289 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: compared to just fishing a tournament. Yes, a tournament fisherman. 290 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: Walk me through the mindset in the process of how 291 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: you approach a tournament compared to how you used to 292 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: approach a tournament before you became a tournament guy. 293 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, like so, so I would just like to do 294 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: it on two different tournament basis. Like let's say you've 295 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: got a Coosa River team trail here at home, so 296 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: you got a one day Saturday event. Let's you're fishing 297 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: with your buddy or your dad or whoever. You're gonna 298 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 2: go out there and you're gonna try and get you know, 299 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: most of the time, I'm gonna fish it. Try and 300 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: catch five, get five bytes. I wanna try and win 301 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: the tournament. Gets five big a bite, whatever I gotta do. 302 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: Put one rod in my hand, put a swim jig 303 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: in my hand, a flipping jig, a big spinning bait, whatever, 304 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: try and catch five. The biggest ones out there. You know, 305 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: flip that to being on the Elite Series to where 306 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: you've got nine events you're trying to get to a Classic. 307 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: You don't need to try and win every tournament because 308 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: it's not gonna So. 309 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: It's point driven for you. At the higher level. 310 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely, well, it's it's gonna be over the longevity of 311 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 2: the year because my sponsors need me to be in 312 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: the Classic to promote them more on the biggest stage 313 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: in fishing. So I've got to do everything I can 314 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: to try and get to that Classic, which is point driven. 315 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: I just had a call. I was on the phone 316 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: with the probably one of my best friends coming down there, 317 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: and he was like, well, maybe we'll just go out 318 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: there and win. Tale to Ben and I was like, dude, 319 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I don't want to win it, but 320 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: if that was ever a tournament that I'm probably not 321 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: gonna win, it's that one. And he just sat there. 322 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: He was like, well, that's not a good mindset to have. 323 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: I said, well, you got to look at it from 324 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: this I feel like the tournament's gonna get one offshore. 325 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: You know. However, on the Football Jig Carolina Rig Big 326 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 2: Crank bait. That's not my deal. Like, I don't fish 327 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: like that. That's all your strength. Yeah, that's not what 328 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: I like to do. Not saying I couldn't do that, 329 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: but like I told him, I said, it may take 330 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 2: me three months to find a winning hole like that. 331 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 2: I don't have three months. I got two and a 332 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 2: half days. 333 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: Okay. So when you go to a place like Toledo Bend, 334 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: even though you feel like the winning pattern is going 335 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: to be something you're not strong at, you're gonna fish 336 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: your game, You're gonna grab a jig, you're gonna go 337 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: shallow or whatever you like to do. 338 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: I would like to that's that's that's gonna that would 339 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 2: be my you know, mindset going into it. And sometimes 340 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: that's not even feasibly possible. But I think these last 341 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: two years I've been and I feel like I've been 342 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: very guilty of knowing how I think the tournament. What's 343 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: gonna get one? You know in this section of the 344 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: like doing this, Well, I go chase that rabbit hole 345 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: for a day and a half and can't find nothing. Well, 346 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: then I'm already behind the eight ball because I don't 347 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: even know how to go get a bike in practice, yes. 348 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: So it's just a it's a game of you know 349 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: what you're confident in, And I feel like I need 350 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: to get back to how I like to fish, because 351 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: back when I like made it in the opens, made 352 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: the elites in like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, when I 353 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: was a FLW dude, I just go fish like it 354 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: could be June on the Tennessee River and I say, well, 355 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: they can go catch them off in ledges all they want. 356 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna win the shallow fishing tournament. And you know, 357 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: most of the time you'd finished, you know, twentieth or 358 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: thirtieth and get real consistent with a check. Well, now 359 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: I'm I felt like I'm so great that ant go 360 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: try and win every tournament that you see how that's 361 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: worked out. 362 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: What about the number of days though, when you go 363 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: from a Saturday one day deal on the Coosa River 364 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: to a three day knockout, drag out fight, yeah, on 365 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: the Saint Lawrence. Yeah, it's a how do you mentally 366 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: change from Well, I could go shallow and just fish 367 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: that way, but you need to do something to where 368 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: you feel like you're gonna catch them and then catch 369 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: them multiple days in a row. 370 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, The main thing would be the way I like 371 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: to fish is don't try and figure out how to 372 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: get a bye in practice, like on a little deal, 373 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: on a shallow deal, and try and find as much 374 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: old as possible to where like you may have one 375 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: creek that you feel like you can fish all day. 376 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: You know, day one say I'm gonna go spend my 377 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: day one in here, catch everything I send, everything I can, 378 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: and then day two go to a new area, and 379 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: if you're fortunate enough to make the cut, I'm just 380 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: going through a process. If this were to happen, day two, 381 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: go to a different area, or maybe start in the 382 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: first day one area. If it don't work out, run 383 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: to this day too area. And then if you're forced 384 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: enough to make the top fifty cut, all the stress 385 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: is gone. You've got your ten thousand dollars check, you've 386 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: got good points. Then you can maybe gamble a little 387 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: bit or you know, sample both areas stuff like that. 388 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: It's a whole different mindset. 389 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: Is kind of the gamble day. 390 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: If you're back correct, correct if you like, if you 391 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: slip into the cut, you know, if you're from fiftieth 392 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: to thirtieth, like the chances of you making the top 393 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: ten or you know, unless it's really stacked. 394 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: But a lot of the times that changes is the 395 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: points because the money, your money is exactly the same. 396 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, where it gets real dicey is if you're around 397 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: thirtieth or twenty and I had this happen three times 398 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: last year. Actually I would be in like the mid 399 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: twenties to thirtieth and have a bad Day three and 400 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: end up in the bottom forties. So you've actually lost, 401 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: you know, twenty points. So the scary part in the 402 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: day three cut to me in our tournaments is being 403 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: in the twenties to thirties because you have so much 404 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: room to fall. 405 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: Now it's something like the NPFL, which is still set 406 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: up as a professional tournament, but everything has changed, Like 407 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: they do their payouts completely different than how That's does it, 408 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: and BASS does it completely different than how MLF does it. 409 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: Does your mindset change when you're going to the NPFL. 410 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: Are you worried about points there? No, you're worried about payout. 411 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm I'm not gonna say that, I'm not 412 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: worried about the points because they do have an end 413 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: of the year championship. It's no entry fee, which is 414 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: and they pay out a good bit of money and 415 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: they're you know, a good friend of mine, Todd Goad 416 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: won the AOI last year. Like it's a big deal, 417 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: but I'm probably going to maybe gamble a little bit 418 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: more in those like try to figure out a way 419 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: to win the tournament. Like we were talking about earlier. 420 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: You could use that kind of as a platform to 421 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: figure out some techniques of fishing that you don't normally do. 422 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: If that's the deal for that tournament. 423 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say try and figure it out, but maybe 424 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 2: get confidence in a tournament. Yes, yes, where I would 425 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: be you know, I'm fishing against ninety nine of the 426 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: other some of the best anglers in the world at 427 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 2: the elites, where I feel like there's guys that are 428 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: better at some things that I fish against at the 429 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: elites than I am. But I feel like I'm better 430 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 2: at some stuff than they are. You understand what I'm saying. 431 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: Where I feel like I could work on that in 432 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: a tournament's big money tournament setting at the NPFL, you know, 433 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 2: also trying to get some points, but just have a 434 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 2: little bit more room to gamble. 435 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: My concern when it comes to tournaments is, you know, 436 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: I've only been fishing for four years, so I don't 437 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: really have like a crew of people that I can 438 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: call and contact and just talk about, like, you know, 439 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: different ideas about different lakes, because my my, my world 440 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: is completely different than your world, right, Like you can't 441 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: get information on certain places once the shutdown happened. 442 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 2: We're not supposed to, right, We've we've we went over 443 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 2: we went over that over the couple of times. 444 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: But you know, for me, like I'm trying to figure 445 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: out the tournament fishing thing, and I know I'm doing 446 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: a trail this year, and my worry is that I 447 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: could potentially go out there and not know anything about 448 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: the lake and just kind of throw what I think 449 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: they might do. But I feel like without having some 450 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: sort of prior knowledge about what fish do at that 451 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: time of year and what fish do on that body 452 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: of water, you are really really behind. If you're just 453 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: trying to put together a practice on a lake you've 454 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: never been on. Have you had success where you just 455 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: show up to a body of water you've never been 456 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: on and boom, you just whack them. 457 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: For some reason? 458 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: I do. 459 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: I hardly ever have I ever went into a tournament 460 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: and just white like just blistered them, like just thought 461 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: I just knew I was gonna catch them, and then 462 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: go out there and catch them. It's it's normally the 463 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: way I like to fish, the way I grew up, 464 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: fishings of grind, like I go try and figure out 465 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 2: how to get a few bites and just make basically 466 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: chicken salt out of chicken shit. So but I feel 467 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: like it was easier to compete that way a couple 468 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: of years ago, And I don't know why, Like maybe 469 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 2: it's that information deal that we talked about in an 470 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 2: earlier podcast, Like there's more people getting help than there 471 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: used to be. Because I used to think that I 472 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: could show up to a lake and within three or 473 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: four days figure out a way to you know, have 474 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: a very good finish. And now that's being a fiftieth 475 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: to seventieth place finish. It very well could be the 476 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: life's coat thing too, because that was never a thing. 477 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: I do think that that's the biggest table. Well, it 478 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: takes people that are like, oh man, I wish they'd 479 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: just ban that and blah blah. I think some guy 480 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: said to me the other day there was a tournament 481 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: that came out. This is like a small mom and 482 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: pop tournament, it's a benefit for kids, and they go, 483 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: we're banning live scope. You're not allowed to have it. 484 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: And I'm like, if there's a tournament that should have 485 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: live scope, it's a tournament that benefits kids, because if 486 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: I've got a kid fishing with me in my boat, 487 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: let them. I want him to see what he's doing 488 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: and then try to figure out how he can catch them. 489 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 2: Correct. 490 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: I saw that, and I was like, oh, this isn't 491 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: about kids. 492 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: No, No, like this is a munch of egos. 493 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And then one guy comes on. He goes, 494 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: you shouldn't need live scope to catch fish and blah 495 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: blah blah. Go do you have any electronics on your boat? 496 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, but I ain't got live scope, 497 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: And I go, okay, but you still know where the 498 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: fish are and you still know how to try to 499 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: catch them. They don't just get on your line because 500 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: you threw a bait out to him on live scope. 501 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: No, No, definitely not. But but and again I'm. 502 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: Not I'll get off my soap bus. 503 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: Yeah it's it's it's a you'll never it'll be a 504 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: never ending conversation. 505 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: The things that we talked about in an earlier podcast 506 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: about how many units you can have on your boat. 507 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: All that stuff's coming out now. I sat talking about, 508 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, they're slapping the transducers on the on the 509 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: jack plate. Oh, you know, like there. And obviously there's 510 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: plenty of electronic guys that are setting all these boats up. 511 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: They know all the tricks. Yes, are you doing anything 512 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: different with your electronics this year? You just going too 513 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: at the back? 514 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: Too at the No, I'm two at the back. I 515 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: got two humming Bird apex at the back, of humming 516 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: Bird apex at the front, and then just my garming 517 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: you know, twelve inch with the live scope. I don't know, 518 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: I'm not. I feel like I just need to go fishing. 519 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: If I was a you know, a big offshore guy 520 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: and that's how I was going to fish, and the 521 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: closest my boat was ever gonna be to the bank 522 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: when I put it on the trailer, I would I 523 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: would definitely look into that, you know, lives coats on 524 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: the back and just sitting down and you know, looking 525 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: around trying to find them. But it's just not my deal. 526 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: But I do use it. And there's been days where 527 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: I wanted it to go away. Completely, and then you 528 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: know I was probably being a little bit irrash, and 529 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: then you know you really sit down and look at 530 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: it and look at the pros and cons, and like 531 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: you said, you're not gonna catch every one of them 532 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 2: you throw at, but it does help. I think, like 533 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 2: we were just talking about the just showing up to 534 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: a lake and just whatever, not knowing anything, just go 535 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: a fishing. I think it put you could have ten 536 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: to fifteen to twenty guys that don't really have a 537 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: good practice that maybe they just know to go in 538 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: this creek and put their troll motor down and look 539 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: for them all day and finally find a group of 540 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: fish to where back in seven, sixteen, seventeen eighteen that 541 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 2: wasn't gonna happen. So you still have those guys that 542 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: didn't figure them out in practice, that don't have a 543 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 2: lives cup well, they're still just lost. And I've been there, 544 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: but I think that Livescope deal makes the weights go 545 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 2: up a little bit, like like our average cut, like 546 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: we've gone to term it's last few years and they're like, well, 547 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: it's only gonna take sixteen a day, because this is 548 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: what it took in twenty sixteen. I'm like, bro, dude, 549 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: we had a we had two d there was no livescup. 550 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: I said, it's bumping up by three pounds. 551 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: Guarantee there's one extra good fish that you can find 552 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: because the live scope. Yes, but I mean right, And 553 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: depending on the water you're on, Like if you go 554 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: to Okachobe, you're fishing shallow water, a live scope might 555 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: not be the game changer for you, but the hummed 556 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: bird three sixty, yes, that's live. Like if you if 557 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: you find good fish and grass, you're gonna be able 558 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: to find NX for three or four pounds. 559 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know, but it just and I. 560 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: Pulled up to Logan Martin and I'd never really been 561 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: on the lake before, and I just scanned an area 562 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: with my live scope and I found a good pile 563 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: a school of fish, and I sat there with a 564 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: crankbait and just straight warm them out in a Tuesday night. 565 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 2: Tournament that you'd never know was there, and I would. 566 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: Have never known, you know, But I went to that 567 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: area because I had a feeling that fish liked to 568 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: relate to that at that time of year. And then 569 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: when I saw it on the live scope, I'm like 570 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: this backs it up, did really well in that tournament. 571 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: But here's what's crazy. You were talking about live scopes 572 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: impact in numbers. You remember when Hank Parker walked across 573 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: the stage in a bass Master Classic on the final 574 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: day with fourteen pounds. He needed thirteen and a half 575 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: to win. Fourteen pounds, dude, fourteen pounds now gets you 576 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: laughed out of a tournament. You're finishing sixtieth or below 577 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: with fourteen pounds. 578 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: That's what most of the places, you know, most of 579 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: the venues we go. There's a few like you know, 580 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: if you get it here on the Coasher River or 581 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: like the Sabina most of the time a river system 582 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: fishing line. Yeah, but these these bigger, you know, impoundments 583 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: we go to. It's like I said, you've you've literally 584 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: got to bomp up the agear always on the lava. 585 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: Lanier does like a monthly tournament. A guy named Scott 586 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: Barnes puts it on. Really good tournament, ran really well. 587 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: A lot of dudes in there that can catch them. 588 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking twenty four, yeah to twenty one. 589 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: Might as well throw them back. 590 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: It's crazy now you listen. I'm happy for those guys. 591 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: Because they figured out some deals that really work well 592 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: for them. And I've fished that lake. That's where I 593 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: kind of grew up and cut my teeth and you know, 594 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: for the first three years of my fishing life. But 595 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, you see some of those weights that 596 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: come out of that lake. If that lake is not 597 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: on a nap sational trail within. 598 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: Two I can't believe it wasn't this year. 599 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: I was shocked too when the schedules came out. I'm like, 600 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: how do you not put it on there? It's got 601 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: to be the Gainesville or whoever? Not wanting to pay Yeah, 602 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: because we actually my rookie year on FLW, we went 603 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: there when Bradley Hallmand won. 604 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, we fished. That's the last major tournament that I 605 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: know was that way when all the elites went there. 606 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: That is one completely different fishery than we. 607 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely there, Absolutely dude like it. It's ten times better too, 608 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: And I will, I will. I want to go back 609 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: to defend the guys. I don't even know them. The guys, 610 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 2: like you know, most of the top five are probably 611 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: in that tournament. They could probably catch them without Livescup. 612 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: And We'll be honest, some of them. 613 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of the guys that do 614 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: really well there their local hands. 615 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: They just know, they know, they know the area, they know, 616 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: and they've probably figured out an easier way to catch 617 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: them with livescub but they know what to look for. 618 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 2: But it's those sixteen to twenty pound backs that there's 619 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: forty of that the guys like if me and you 620 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: went out there, didn't know nothing about the lake, Like, hell, 621 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 2: let's just fish this ditch right here. 622 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: I think they had twenty twenty five guys in the 623 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: last tournament. I think the last place team had like 624 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: eleven and a half pounds. You know how pumped I 625 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: would be with eleven and a half pounds like I'd be, 626 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: I'd be stoked because of who how I am as 627 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: a fisherman, young, young in the sport of fishing, not 628 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: as accomplished as guys like you have been fishing for years. 629 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: You come in with eleven pounds and you're like, what 630 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: the hell did I don't even. 631 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: Want to show my fights, dude. There's been many times 632 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: I'll just put the boat on truck and get in 633 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: the truck, don't even strap it, just drive off. So 634 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: I don't have to look at nobody because I'm so embarrassed. 635 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: You know, A guy said to me the other day, 636 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: he goes, I learned more in tournament fishing by getting 637 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: my ass kicked than I do by winning, absolutely, And 638 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: I said, if that's the case, man considered me the 639 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: smartest man. That's it. Like I've got a doctorate and 640 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: getting my ass whipped. 641 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: In some tournament I do too. Lately, what is it 642 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: like when. 643 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: You're when you're fishing a bass master tournament you find 644 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: out that your deal wasn't the deal You already knew 645 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: what the winning deal was going to be. I mean 646 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: I went to enough tournaments with you guys last year 647 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: where you hear the conversations. Yeah, you know you know that, 648 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: Like let's take the Classic last year, everybody knew that 649 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: Gustifson was going to win. The first day. They all 650 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: knew Gussie was gonna win. They were like, he fishes 651 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: the right spot, he fishes the right way, and he 652 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: fishes the right type of fish. And the day one 653 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: of practice, you know, he's down his hole and you 654 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: saw maybe fifteen twenty boats come down there. The next 655 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: day forty boats are done and well, guys are just 656 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: checking it out and all that kind of stuff. There's 657 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: some dudes that just go, now, I'm not going over there. 658 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: That's where Gussie's been fishing. That's going to be his thing. 659 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: There's other guys that are like, no, no, no, I'm gonna 660 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: try to get as close as I possibly can. Yeah, 661 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: when you guys are hearing all the conversation about what 662 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: works well and who's doing what and all that kind 663 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: of stuff, do you change a game plan or do 664 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: you stay pretty tight to how you like to be. 665 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you have to listen to that kind 666 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: of stuff, but I am not the guy or will 667 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 2: I ever be the guy that's just gonna go to 668 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 2: an area where somebody just smashed them. You know. Obviously 669 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: I wasn't in that classic, but there's been multiple because 670 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: we go so many places at the same time of 671 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: year on different years, and everybody knows where people called 672 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: them or where they wont and I just I try 673 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: not to be that guy, but you can't ignore the 674 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 2: fact of how they called him and how they were 675 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 2: able to win the event. So you try and I 676 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: try and duplicate that in different areas of the late 677 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: but because it should be able to be duplicated. Knox 678 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: was a little bit different situation because of where that 679 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: all goes down at where it nexts down in that 680 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: in that canal. I've actually never seen that canal with 681 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 2: my own eyes, like I've never been I've only fished 682 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: one derby that that was the one the elite that 683 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: he won. But and obviously there's more fish there than 684 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: anybody could ever catch. And then after he won the Elite, 685 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure it got pounded by local pressure like that. 686 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 687 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: So it wasn't really a thing that all those guys 688 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: were in there on top of him. But what's really 689 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: what you have to understand is when we say it's 690 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: the hundred best guys in the world, they are the 691 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: best in the world at what they do. Gussie is 692 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: the best at moping or whatever they call it, you know, 693 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 2: with the little domeki rig deal. He can go find 694 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: that somewhere else, and he did, and that's why he 695 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: was able to win. I don't remember exactly where he 696 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: caught him, but he didn't catch him all in that canal. 697 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: He found a whole different area. And he's good enough 698 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: to know to what to look for to go be 699 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: able to find. 700 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: That well, and you guys are so good at being 701 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: able to needle in on some of the smallest details 702 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: of a patas you know, I hear guys say, like 703 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: they go into a tournament and they're like, oh, it's 704 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: going to be a good dock bite. But then when 705 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: you go with a pro, it's not just a dock bite. 706 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: It's the third piling that doubles up next to another one. 707 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, on the right hand side, on the right a 708 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: little bit. 709 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: Of shade over. You know, like when when I think 710 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: about specifics, like I was fishing a tournament on Logan 711 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,479 Speaker 1: Martin and buddy of mine went out and we were 712 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: throwing a jigger around and throwing a crank bait and 713 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. He was catching him on 714 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: a jig right where the dock ends. Okay, so you'd 715 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: have to go all the way underneath the big platform. 716 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: You'd have to drag that thing back, maybe hop it 717 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: a couple times, and right where you got to where 718 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: that shade line breaks. In the middle of the day, 719 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: We're talking eleven thirty twelve noon. As soon as he 720 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: break into the sun, boom, he get bit. And we 721 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: started to break it down to where we said it's 722 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: got to be a dock that's got a good platform. 723 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: And every single dock we caught a fish on there 724 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: was a pontoon boat in the left. It's not in 725 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: the water, actually up And I kept saying to him, 726 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: I was like, this is our pattern, Like we're catching 727 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: them on docks that have pontoon boats, and we're getting 728 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: them right at the edge. He's like, I think you're 729 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: going too deep. No one necessarily thinks about something a 730 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: bit deeper. You can go, the more dialed in you 731 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: can get, man, I can imagine it feels so good 732 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: lude to get that dialed in. 733 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about the third bite you get doing the 734 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: same thing. Cause two's kind of I heard I and 735 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: Eli say this a long time ago. You know, one's luck. 736 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: Two maybe three you got it dialed in pretty good. 737 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: But I mean I've I can remember situations like around here, 738 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: like fishing grass and stuff, like you may be catching 739 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: them two foot back instead of on the edge, like 740 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: you've been fishing the edge all day, and then you 741 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: happen to flip over in there catch one. You're like, 742 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 2: you know what, you kind of like might have been luck, 743 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: and then you go twenty more yards and you start 744 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: flipping on in the inside it. You catch another one, 745 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: and then you catch another one. You're like, oh, it's 746 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: game over now. 747 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: But how difficult is that when you go into a 748 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: practice and you know you're trying to get that one, 749 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: two and then that third. You know, when you're in practice, 750 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: if you're trying to relate to a certain area and 751 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: you find something that is so definitive. Yeah, Like, I 752 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: was fishing a body of water, and for me, I 753 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: had to fish the bank because I knew they were 754 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: up on this bank and there had to be some 755 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: shade on it. But what I was finding on my 756 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: map is where those contour lines got super tight. It 757 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: was making like this little bit of a drop where 758 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't just a natural grade. It was kind of 759 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: like natural grade funneled into a sharp drop. Man, if 760 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: I had a spinner bait, I was wearing them out 761 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: on that sharp drop. So I went around on my 762 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: map and I started pointing on every little sharp drop 763 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: I saw. Is that something that you guys do where 764 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: you start to really look at your maps like that, 765 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: You go, I'm doing this or do you just do history? No? 766 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: I did, because a lot of the places I'm not 767 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 2: old enough yet to have been there, you know, three 768 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: or four or five different times from a history standpoint. 769 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: But man, lake Master on my homae birds are like 770 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: the biggest thing that I used during practice, going to 771 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,479 Speaker 2: these places that I'm not that familiar with, to where 772 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: when you start getting a buy you can, you know, 773 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: really zoom in on that, like you're talking about the 774 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: contour lines and with the new premium you know, lake 775 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: Master cards, it's got the shading so it kind of 776 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: pops at you a little bit color wise, and dude, 777 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 2: I'll just go through there and mark, you know, however 778 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: many that I can find, and then then run. 779 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: So it's like if you know that you have fish 780 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: in the eight to twelve foot and you can make that. 781 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 2: Your grit zone, you just you just put in there, Dude, 782 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: the whole map will just pop at you like, oh 783 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: my god. Everything. 784 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: You'll start to see things on maps that you've never 785 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: seen on a lake you've been on a million times. 786 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: I know, you're a big cousa river guy, and like 787 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 1: Neelie Henry, if you do that shading the right way, 788 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: you start to really see things that you're like, Man, 789 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: I had no idea about that, or or. 790 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: You look at places like you're talking about history, where 791 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 2: you've caught them over and over and over again, and 792 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: you look at your map and you're like, well, that 793 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: makes perfect sense. 794 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: Right of why you were catching them. 795 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's really crazy about tournament fishing that I've 796 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: figured out is when you get something really dialed in, 797 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: there not near as much of it as you think 798 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: there is. Most of the time, like it'll be like 799 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: certain little key deals. 800 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe five spots. 801 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 2: It could be it could be one hundred, like who knows. 802 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: But most of the time it's when it gets really detailed, 803 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: like there's not as much of it as you think 804 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: there is. 805 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, all right. Well, best of luck in 806 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: the MPFL, and best of luck and bass Master this year. 807 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, I know personally that you're coming off 808 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: of a really rough year and you were not happy 809 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: with how your output was definitely not How do you 810 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: feel going into this year different than last? 811 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: You know, we'll see when the tournament starts. I fished 812 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: a little bit more of this off season. I was 813 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: dealing with a little bit of pain in my hand 814 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: last year, but that's no it's huge. I had some 815 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: hand surgery. So that's good to go. But I don't know. 816 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: We just need to get the year started off good. 817 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: And like I said, it was it was more of 818 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: a business decision to just get my butt back on 819 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: the water and fishing more regardless of where I'm fishing, 820 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: just in a tournament environment instead of just going and 821 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 2: lolly gagging around when I'm what was wrong with your hand? 822 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: I had a trick trigger finger release surgery on my pinky. 823 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: And like was it like you? It was super tight. 824 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: They would lock up during the day like it was. 825 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: I would be driving down the river, like when my 826 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: fingers just locked up? 827 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: How did that happen? 828 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 2: Do you know? I just overwear? And it probably they said, 829 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: just the way I hold the rod, because I just 830 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: put the trigger finger between my pinky and my ring finger, 831 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 2: and just the way I work stuff like frog and 832 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: you know, swim dig and chatter bait and all that 833 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: good stuff. 834 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: Do you miss the pistol grip style rids? 835 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: Then no, I need to learn how to fish left 836 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: hand is what it looked like. But yeah, I'm I'm 837 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: ready to go. Maybe to this year it'll be a 838 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: little bit better. Get my head straight and everything's everything 839 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 2: will work out for itself. 840 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: First tournament of the year for him MPFL that is 841 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: at the tail end of January on Lake Logan, Martin, 842 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: West Logan. Thank you buddy.