1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: Alexis code Enave, doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: want you to know. This week's listener mail has a 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: little bit of a theme, gentleman, I propose, maybe, Matt, 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: we we start with the correspondence you found and then uh, 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: and then we'll go from there. We'll do like a 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: three act structure thing. Oh, most excellent bill Ben. Uh, sorry, Ted, 14 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what wild stallions. Yes, this message is 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: an email. It came from Lauren E. Lauren, you know 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: who you are, you said. My husband and I are 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: currently driving through rural Ohio and a billboard caught my eye. 18 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: Something something radioactive, groundwater, something something visit Radium Valley dot org. Okay, well, okay, 19 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: I thought it's rural Ohio and I can only read 20 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: so much Wikipedia. First, The website is brilliant early Internet 21 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: design being revived, but it piques my interest in this 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: entire idea of radioactive brine. M I. T. Says it's 23 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: an interesting supply chain. Scientific Americans says it's questionable either way. 24 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: I get this visual of our roads glowing green because 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: of it all. Anyway, I've always wanted to find a 26 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: random thing that might be interesting enough to send to 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: you all, and maybe this is it. Stay safe, Lauren, Well, 28 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much Lauren for writing in, because you 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: know that the three of us as well as Doc 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: holiday and just now I'm guarantee you just now, this 31 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: is what she did. We all went to Radium Valves 32 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: dot org. It is a delight. It's beautiful, you cause, guys, 33 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: you're right, You're right, You're right, you're right. The first 34 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: thing you get is a giant full on purple This 35 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: site is owned and published by C. E C A Inc. 36 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: Whatever that is. Then below that you get a great 37 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: photoshopped image of thunderstorms and lightning and a nice little 38 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: quaint wooden sign that's got a pretty noticeable radioactive symbol 39 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: on it, and it says welcome to Radium Valley, where 40 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: radioactive waste is good for business and good for you 41 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: not to mention the class at glow effects on the 42 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: words radium Valley like photoshop one O one. You know 43 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: what I mean As a partially color blind person, A 44 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: dig in this because if these colors are bright enough 45 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: for me to differentiate, I can only imagine what it 46 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: looks like to you guys. Oh man screaming. It is 47 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: an awful thing, knowing that I'm getting some like small 48 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: little extra experience than you. And I just look at 49 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: a photo bend that really does hurt me, and I'm sorry, No, no, 50 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 1: it's great, It's I wouldn't have it any other way. 51 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: Tried on those uh color blind corrective classes, which was 52 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: a super cool experience, nothing to do with radium, I hope, 53 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: and uh. And then you know, I went back, I 54 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: went back to the way. Yeah, I like it. I 55 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: like where I'm at. I dig it. I support your Yeah, 56 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: it says the A B c's and Brian. All right, 57 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: well let's jump into what else this thing says. It says, 58 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: stop spreading radioactive Brian, b R I N E on 59 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: our roads and land. And then it gives you the 60 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: A B C s of Brian. Hey, all over the place. 61 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: Brian is being spread all over Ohio on township roads, 62 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: county roads, private land, and public land. But after it 63 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: rains or the snow is melted, it all flows into 64 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: the wells, springs, ponds, rivers, and aquifers that we all 65 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: share and use. B brine is radioactive brine is really 66 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: oil field waste from gas and oil wells. Oh D 67 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: and R test proved that it contains high levels of 68 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: radioactive radium. This is true. This is true. C is 69 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: for cancer. Cancer is caused by high levels of radium 70 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: or can be caused cancer and can or radium is 71 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: one cause of cancer. I love that. And then and 72 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: then and then a nice big old just stop brine, 73 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: ye sign the position, talk to your neighbor's opinion, give 74 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: years to a politician, put a sign in your yard. 75 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: So this is a website that is attempting to give 76 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: anyone who visits it information about this issue radioactive brine, 77 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: and it kind of tells you what It is, a 78 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: byproduct of the creation of gas and oil, or at 79 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: least the pulling of those substances from the earth. So 80 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: let's learn a little bit more about it by going 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: to the E P. A. Now there is a site 82 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: on the e p A. It is e p A 83 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: dot gov slash Radiation and then you'll be able to 84 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: find this from there. It's on ten orm T E 85 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: N O r M Oil and Gas Production Wastes. On 86 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: this website, it gives you the information that fracking this 87 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: new thing that we've talked about many times on this 88 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: show where substances are shot into the earth to break 89 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: up shale which is a type of stone, type of rock, 90 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: and other formations of you know, varying chemicals and substances. 91 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: It breaks that stuff up and that stuff shoots up 92 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: through the ground up into you know, an oil pipeline 93 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: and then it can be processed from there. Now, there 94 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: are all kinds of issues with this substance. Let's but 95 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: let's let's specifically talk about what this Radium Valley website 96 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: is about. There are other things that come up within 97 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: that shale, other materials, other byproducts. Some of them are 98 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: uranium and it's decay products, thorium and it's stuff radium, 99 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: potassium forty lead to ten and polonium to ten. These 100 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: are all radioactive substances. They are naturally occurring radio nuclide 101 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: new new clients. Okay, radio nuclides. For some reason, my 102 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: brain wanted to change that into something else, nucleotides. I 103 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: remember that, not the same thing, I guess I don't know, yes, 104 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: but these are also referred to as naturally occurring radioactive 105 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: materials or NORM and uh, this is a big problem. 106 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: So what do you do with that stuff when you've 107 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: got some of it, even just a little bit of it, 108 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: Because a little bit of it is a problem. You 109 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: can't just throw that stuff in, you know, any old landfill. 110 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: You can't just put it in a lake or a stream. 111 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: You gotta really take care of it. That's radioactive waste, 112 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: my friends. It sticks around for a long long time, 113 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: and it hurts everything that it's near. Well, here's why 114 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: it's a major problem, and why we even know a 115 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: lot about this. There is a Rolling Stone article published 116 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: January twenty one. It's written by Justin Noble and it 117 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: is titled America's Radioactive Secret. This is a large investigation, 118 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: a large article. We recommend you take a look if 119 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: you have the time, and we recommend you take the 120 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: time to look at it. But it is going to 121 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a chunk of your afternoon set some 122 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: more morning or whenever you get to it. If you 123 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: do look through it, it shows you in and it's 124 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: splaines that this Brian that we're talking about, it's really 125 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: salty water with some other stuff in it. There are 126 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: ten gallons of this stuff produced for every one gallon 127 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: of natural gas or petroleum that you know, the stuff 128 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,119 Speaker 1: that will become petroleum that comes out of the ground, 129 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: So ten to one ratio this stuff. Sometimes it's pretty 130 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: contaminated with radioactive materials. Other times it is ridunculously contaminated. 131 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: And there's no real way to know how much radio 132 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: radioactive material is in this brine or like one truckload 133 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: of the brine, until you test the contents of a 134 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: truck or a container that this stuff is put into. 135 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: There are so many problems been I no, I know 136 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: you've looked at some of this stuff. I'll just hit 137 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: a couple of them, um, because it may not be 138 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: good for us to go all the way down the 139 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: rabbit hole here. But uh, truck drivers who move this stuff. Again, 140 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about ten to one ratio for duction here, 141 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: so we're talking about dozens and dozens and dozens of 142 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: truck loads per day. Per site that is fracking and 143 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: creating this stuff. Uh, they aren't wearing protective clothing for 144 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: radioactive materials in many times, many times, in most of 145 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: the time at least that this article found in. They 146 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: aren't trained and they aren't even aware that radioactive materials 147 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: are on board their their load that there that they're 148 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: taking around to a dump site. The dump sites where 149 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: they end up if they end up at a landfill, 150 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: many times are not capable of handling radioactive waste. So 151 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: then that material ends up leaching back into the groundwater 152 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: into all other you know, all kinds of water sources 153 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: that exist wherever that landfill is. There are even some 154 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: programs that are using this brine because remember it's salty water. 155 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: They're using it in Ohio and a couple other places 156 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: to e ice the roads or two pre d ice 157 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: the roads as a preventive measure. Right, Yeah, yeah, that's 158 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: the There's there's so many, man, you're right, so many issues. 159 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: So one thing we have to say is, uh, shout 160 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: out to Science Daily as well, that's cited some research 161 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: on how this stuff is created. So we want to 162 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: be very clear the company's fracking are not purposely pouring 163 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: radium into the ground so far that we know of. 164 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: When the water and the hydrochloric acid and other acids 165 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: that they use are injected with sand and interact with 166 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: this ancient shale. Uh, that's that reaction is where we 167 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: see these radioactive things being created. Uh. The point about 168 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: informed consent is huge. We can't recommend the Rolling Stone 169 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: article enough because you'll be introduced to some truckers who 170 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: were the main canaries in this dubious coal mine. Uh. 171 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: That's where also I learned this one of the street 172 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: names for radium, which is terrified. You guys caught this too, right, 173 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: bone seeker? Yeah, because I mean assumedly it gets it. 174 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: It actually can be responsible for a bone cancer. Yes, yes, 175 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: it goes. It can be incorporated into the skeleton and 176 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: caused sarcomas. H Yeah, it's really scary stuff. This is 177 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: this is a gentleman named Peter who was driving a 178 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: truck and believe he was getting paid sixteen dollars an 179 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: hour at least according to that article. So that would 180 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: be and we know how the dollar fluctuates. Just kidding, um. 181 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: He was saying, quote, a lot of guys are coming 182 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: up with cancer or sores and skin lesions that take 183 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: months to heal. And he goes on to say that 184 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: he experiences regular headaches and nausea, numbness in his fingertips, 185 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: and face in joint pain like fire. And if that's 186 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: because again they aren't wearing anything, you know, to protect them. 187 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: They're wearing a hard hat, steel toed boots and some 188 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: standard you know, fairer on their torso and everything. And 189 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: that's about it. Um, really really creepy stuff. And again, 190 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: if you continue down that that article, you'll learn exactly 191 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: how radioactive some of these substances have been. Uh, there's 192 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: a gentleman, a specialist, and I'm not even looking at 193 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: full article honestly because zoom and recording and everything is 194 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: causing this giant article to the load super slowly. But 195 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: there's an expert here that was saying if he had 196 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: a beaker, like a small standard scientific beaker of this 197 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 1: stuff sitting in his lab and he was using it 198 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: for testing, and it happened to just fall, the glass 199 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: broke and this brine spread across the floor. He's saying, 200 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: and this is theoretically, they would shut down that entire building, 201 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: or at least that side of the lab. Because it 202 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: would be dangerous for anyone else to work in there 203 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: until it was fully cleaned up, and it's very difficult 204 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: to do that, and studies are currently limited. This is 205 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: this is an ongoing story. UH. To represent the industry's view, 206 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: the people who condone or advocate for this practice as 207 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: as it's currently instituted, UH, they'll say something like, yes, 208 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: there is radiation exposure, but it is statistically insignificant. UM. 209 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: Long time listeners, you know, we've pointed this out before. 210 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: A lot of stuff can give you low level exposures 211 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: to radiation, like bananas, for instance, but they're not gonna 212 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: give you cancer. That That is what I would say 213 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: is the difference that industry advocates seem to be missing 214 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: radium is UH. I hope it's not a hot take. 215 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: Radium is more dangerous than a banana. Something called a 216 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: bone seeker, again, is very different from stuff you would 217 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: find in the produce aisle. I think I I haven't 218 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: seen bone seekers in in the produce aisle. Maybe they're 219 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: next to the other weird stuff like dragon fruit. Well, 220 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: and one of the big problems with bone seeker is 221 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: that it's radiation within these substances that then kind of 222 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: shoots off and attaches itself to anything in the environment. Right, 223 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: That could be your skin, It could be blocked by 224 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: your skin. It doesn't get into your inside, you may 225 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: be all right. But the worst part is if it 226 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: gets onto dust particles in the air that are small 227 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: enough for you to inhale or ingest, then that gets 228 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: into your body. That's when the bone seeking comes in 229 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: um and it's it's really really dangerous. And if you're 230 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: just thinking about the thousands of driver truck drivers and 231 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: the other specialists who are who are actively interacting with 232 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: the substances, taking a giant hose, putting it into a container, 233 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: opening it up, getting the brine into that other container. 234 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: Some of it gets off, gets on their hands, maybe 235 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: they're breathing. Maybe they're breathing. Sometimes humans breathe. Generally we 236 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: do that. But it's a very trendy thing, it really is. 237 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: It's it's just got popular and it just stayed uh 238 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: and that's super dangerous for them, and that's terrible, and 239 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: hopefully there's gonna be something to change what's going on 240 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: there to help the workers. The scariest part is everybody else, 241 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: all the bystandards that have nothing to do with anything 242 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: that's occurring here. And the stuff's getting into their drinking water, 243 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: it's going into the land, it's hurting the animals, it's 244 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: it's scary. And again we're not saying that the companies 245 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: fracking are purposefully trying to irradiate everything. It's just a 246 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: really unfortunate side product, one of the unfortunate side products 247 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: of the process itself. Well said, this feels like a 248 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: call for us to do an updated episode, uh, an 249 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: addendum to our previous work on fracking itself, which goes deep, 250 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: goes deep, not just not just into the surface of 251 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: the earth. Wonderful. All right, Well, with that, we're gonna 252 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: take a word from our sponsor and we will be 253 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: right back. And we have returned. Our next piece of 254 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: correspondence comes from Benson S. Benson wrote an awesome and 255 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: important letter to us. We'd like to share it with you. 256 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Here it goes. Good day, Ben, Matt and Noel, longtime listener, 257 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: first time writer. Love the show, the variety of topics 258 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: covered and the critical yet sensitive nature you present topics 259 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: in mature and informative way. I'm an Australian of English 260 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: descent with family members traced back to the Third Fleet. Yes, 261 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: they were convicts slash criminals. And I've known a little 262 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: bit about this topic, but not enough to hold a conversation, 263 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: nor enough to comprehend its impact on Australia's Aboriginal and 264 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: Tories Straight Islander community. It is a government conspiracy that 265 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: actually took place, with the effects still being felt today, 266 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: more than fifty years after the fact. I am unsure 267 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: if this topic is known outside of Australia, unsure if 268 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: you've covered or touched on the topic on previous episodes. 269 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: And I'm certain that more Australians should try to understand 270 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: the damaging ramifications of these government policies and how they 271 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: have impacted so many lives and continue to do so today. 272 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: I'm speaking of Australia's stolen generation. Would be thrilled for 273 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: you and the team to take a look through the 274 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know, Lens and get 275 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: your thoughts or even if this is something that you've 276 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: come across in the past, I feel the lessons that 277 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: should have been learned during this time of Australia's dark 278 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: history could well be taught across the globe to learn 279 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: from our mistakes and remedy them more so now than 280 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: ever before. UH and Benson, you have included a couple 281 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: of great leads starting links. One thing that I really 282 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: appreciate that you did here was you went directly to 283 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: the official government sites, which will always have a stance 284 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: on this sort of stuff. Um, how effective is that 285 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: stance versus how performative? Well, that's a that's a matter 286 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: of debate. We have not talked about the Stolen Generation 287 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: in depth on the show before, but Matt Noel, I 288 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: know that as you guys were hearing this letter, you 289 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: were immediately thinking of some disturbingly similar situations in other countries, 290 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: often in the Anglo sphere as well. Yeah, we have 291 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: talked numerous times on the show about indigenous peoples that 292 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: were either move moved out forcibly or we're indoctrinated, or 293 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: just usually stricken with plague or something right like sent 294 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: to UH sent to schools, boarding schools. The children are 295 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: stolen and UH forced to no longer speak their native language. 296 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: Usually religious ideology is forced upon them. This has happened 297 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: in Canada, that's happened in the United States, and this 298 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: occurred in Australia as well. The victims of this multigenerational 299 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: practice are known collectively as the stolen generations or the 300 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: stolen children. It's terrifying because somewhere around the beginning of 301 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: the twentieth century or early nineteen hundreds, this practice began 302 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: and it continued into get this, the nineteen seventies. Some 303 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: of our listeners today were alive in this was happening, 304 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: which is insane and and the the high level part 305 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: of this, the easiest way to explain it is that 306 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: there were a lot of Aboriginal children that were, in 307 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: the parlance of the time described as mixed race. And 308 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: the government of Australia noticed exactly what you would referenced 309 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: earlier in all uh, the catastrophic decline of the native 310 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: population after after Europeans arrived. So this this is due 311 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: to a number of factors. Of course, violence on the 312 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: part of the colonizer's side, and of course introduction of 313 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: new diseases, right, which is tremendously dangerous and not necessarily intentional. Right. Uh. 314 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: What the government did was they made this assumption and said, 315 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: look at how the population is just plummeting. There is 316 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: no way that this native population will be able to 317 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: sustain itself. They are doomed to extinction. And so uh, 318 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: they said, we can take mixed race children away from 319 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: their families and their communities, and we can train them 320 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: to quote work in white society, and they will grow 321 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: up and naturally marry white people and be further assimilated. Uh. 322 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: They a lot of the phrases that were used in 323 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: this reasoning, are you know, tremendously tremendously offensive today? Um? Sure, folks, 324 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: And I'm sure we're familiar with a lot of these phrases. 325 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: We don't need to give them maritime. Uh. But what 326 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: what happens then? What happens when you steal children? That's 327 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: the question. And it's the same one that occurred in Canada, 328 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: same one that occurred in the US. Uh. It seems 329 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: like there are tons of knock on effects. Anxiety depression PTSD, 330 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: suicide rates rise, alcohol abuse. Uh, kids are missing school. 331 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: There are other like stress causes, so many other physiological ailments. 332 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: And this situation got more recognition in a book published 333 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: in one by an a Storian professor named Peter read 334 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: this book, The Stolen Generations really propagated the story and 335 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: I would pause it. Uh, lead a lot of people 336 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: who felt like maybe they had a limited, terrible experience 337 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: and let them know they were not alone, but were 338 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: in fact victims of a much larger conspiracy. It just 339 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: blows my mind, you guys, the nineteen and seventies Faulkner 340 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: was right. History is not over. It really is. I mean, 341 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: it's it's the same like way I felt when I 342 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: realized that apartheid was in like the early nineties. You know, 343 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: just you think stuff like that, it's relegated to the 344 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: like trash dump of history. But it is uh much 345 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: closer than many of us would like to believe. And 346 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: in two thousand eight, then Prime Minister Kevin Rudd issued 347 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: a public apology to the Indigenous people of Australia. But 348 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: that doesn't that doesn't put the horseback in the barn 349 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: as it were. Uh, there's a known ongoing problem with 350 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: what they call under policing of child welfare in Aboriginal communities. 351 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: Tons of discrimination, m tons of like. My my question 352 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: here for you guys, it's it goes back to our 353 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: earlier episode. Does this count as a form of genocide 354 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: or an attempt at it? It's it sure feels genocide adjacent. 355 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: Let us say, well, yeah, it's it's it's just on 356 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: a longer scale. I mean, really it is when you're 357 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: talking about the innerger generational trauma that gets passed down, 358 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: what how that affects each individual person and then weakening 359 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: a community to be able to work together and be 360 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: successful individually as well as together. Yeah, I mean it's 361 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: that is It is weird. It's slow motion genocide. And 362 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: you can look back at our previous episode on why 363 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: defining things as genocide is a very specific legal matter, 364 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: right per the win. Uh, please don't take my it's 365 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: not genci because I say it is, you know, I 366 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: mean it's Uh. I like the phrase genocide adjacent. It 367 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: sure feels like that's that's a fair linguistic compromise. This happened, 368 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: by the way, there there was another program that pertained 369 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: to non Indigenous children. Uh. And these the victims of 370 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 1: this one are just sscribed sometimes as the White Lost Generation. Uh. 371 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: These were non Indigenous children who were kidnapped from their 372 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: families if their mothers were deemed unfit, whatever unfit means 373 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: in this regard, and that continued until the nineties. Also 374 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: portrayed as a greater good scenario for society. I mean 375 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: then that that's terrible because as we talked about with 376 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: some of the foster care things we've discussed before, on 377 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: a case by case basis, you have to look at 378 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: some of that stuff where maybe there is a child 379 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: that needs to be removed, right, but then in a 380 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: lot of cases a child doesn't need to be removed 381 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: but gets removed anyway, or that. You know, they are 382 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of really complicated scenarios at play there. But 383 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: to imagine it as a greater good thing, I don't know, 384 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: it seems tough. And of course to add add some 385 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: um abusive icing on this genocidal cake. Yes, if you 386 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: assumed that these children were abused while in this care system, 387 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 1: you are unfortunately very correct. Psychological abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse. Uh. 388 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: And they were also kind of shamed, they were guilt 389 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: tripped about their original communities, you know, because they were 390 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: they were taught, they were taught that they could aspire 391 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: to improve themselves by complying with this other culture and 392 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: then assimilating as much as possible into it while still 393 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: never being quite as good, you know what I mean. 394 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: But a terrible situation to put this in. Uh. Right now, 395 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 1: we we'd have to dive into this further, but right now, 396 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: from what we see, there are various initiatives to help 397 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: the victims and the survivors, things like the Healing Foundation, 398 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: which was established in two thousand and nine, or the 399 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: Marumali Program, which was designed by a survivor of the 400 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: stolen generations, but there hasn't been at this point as 401 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: far as we can tell, there hasn't been like a 402 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: government wide reparations scheme or uh something to address the 403 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: overall issue. And it's tough because how do you how 404 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: on earth do you quantify that? You know what I mean, like, 405 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: how do you give someone their childhood back? The technology 406 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: is not there yet, which I it sounds like a 407 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: weird thing to say, but I mean by what I 408 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: mean is even if we wanted as a species to 409 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: make this right, uh, we do not know how to 410 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: do so. Yeah, besides helping this generation, you know, as 411 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: much as you can get a leg up, get them, 412 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: get them on more equal footing when it comes to opportunities. 413 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one way to do it, especially monetarily. Yeah, 414 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the only ways to try. 415 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: Right right now, how do you how do you trace it. 416 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: How do you unravel this Gordian knots um this this 417 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: labyrinthine tableau of tragedy. Uh we I think we should 418 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: examine this further in depth in a later episode, and 419 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: in the meantime, while we're preparing for that, we'd love 420 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Um. You know we We've got 421 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: a lot of great listeners in Australia, so I I 422 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: can only assume that some of us in the audience 423 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: today have had secondhand or perhaps firsthand experience with either 424 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: this practice or the consequences and the ripple effects it created. 425 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: So we are on the case. We want to hear 426 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: from you as always, you are the most important part 427 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: of this show. To end on just a like a 428 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: slightly less bleak note. Well, there's one important thing we 429 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: missed from Matt's earlier segment, which is that Radium Valley 430 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: dot Org has a mascot. His name is Mortemus. I 431 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: was gonna say he's a little like bad clip art looking, uh, 432 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: spooky skeleton with a radioactive symbol medallion, sort of like 433 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: Allah the flavor flav clock. Uh. It looks like the 434 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: kind of thing you'd see like airbrushed on the side 435 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: of a bad carnival haunted house or definitely coming a 436 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: really kick ass van, but uh yeah, Mortemus also has 437 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: made the interesting fashion choice to have a sleeveless road 438 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: and maybe that radioactive sign is a brooch, but we're 439 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: just saying that so that this is not completely depressing, 440 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: and it's a little bit of foreshadowing because we're gonna 441 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: pause for a word from our sponsor and then we'll 442 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: return to a story that ties back to our early segment. 443 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: Are we gonna dig deeper into that oil? Well, let's 444 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: just let's shoot some fracking liquid down into the topic. 445 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: Let's go, and we're back, uh, following this red thread 446 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: down a very very deep uh and scary uh you know, 447 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: tube shaped rabbit hole. I'm sorry, I'm trying to keep 448 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: the fracking and drilling puns going, not really even puns, 449 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: just the imagery. But yeah, no, this is interesting. Only 450 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: we've ever done this before, like a fully themed kind 451 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: of triumvirate alas our compatriot Matthew had to hop for 452 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: this last segment to have adventures elsewhere. But um, this 453 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: really is kind of a nice bow on this whole 454 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: subject that we've been talking about everything from you know, 455 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: every kind of every side of what this very controversial 456 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: practice of fracking does, UM, and one of them, it's 457 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that like the oil and gas 458 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: companies would like to think, what would like you as 459 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: the consumer, you, as you know, the average human person, 460 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: UH to think is a conspiracy But alas, UM pretty 461 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: sure it's it's not. It's actually very much cold, hard fact. 462 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: And we got this insider scoop uh from a listener 463 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: who asked very specifically to remain anonymous, and the email 464 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: goes like this specifically also, by the way, asked to 465 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: be anonymous because this is having their identity associated with 466 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: this email could have damaging effects on their career in 467 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: the oil and gas industry. UM, but also did leave 468 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: us their information so we could vet uh. This information 469 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 1: confirmed this human person is in fact who they say 470 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: they are and associated with this industry, and all that 471 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: checked out. So I'll start, UM. I live in Midland, Texas, 472 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: the heart of the oil and gas industry and one of, 473 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: if not the heaviest fracked locations in the world. Since 474 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: the rise in popularity and effectiveness of hydraulic fracturing in 475 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: the industry, we have begun to have minor tremmors over 476 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: the past decade, maybe longer with the occasional small scale earthquake. 477 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: About three months ago, we had a three point seven 478 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: it's not large, but very feelable magnitude earthquake that was 479 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: mentioned once in our local news and then never mentioned again, 480 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: as if it was some secret that accidentally slipped out. 481 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: Working closely with my company president of an O and 482 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: G pump company, he alluded that the epicenter of the 483 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: quake was very near a field where our pumps are utilized, 484 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: roughly ninety five of them. These things are massive. By 485 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: the way, I can't say we're responsible for the event, 486 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: but it's an open secret in the industry that we 487 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: fracking as a whole are definitely the cause of the 488 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: uptick in earthquakes in Texas, New Mexico and Oklahoma. Yep, yeah, 489 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's about as close to an inside 490 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: scoop as you can get. And thank you so much 491 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: Anonymous for for sharing the story and as Noel said, uh, 492 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: cooperating with us like vetting a little bit. Uh, this 493 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: is legit. The facts about Midlands are correct. And want 494 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: to shout out again our earlier episode we had um 495 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: believe it was called something like hen people manufacture earthquakes. 496 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: The answer is yeah, kind of, but not on not 497 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: necessarily on purpose, and not in a way that is 498 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: uh targetable or useful, like we don't have we don't 499 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: have some kind of earthquake satellite right now we do 500 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: have is a disastrous consequence of the of tracking technology. 501 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: And just objectively, man fracking is it's impressive. It's an 502 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: impressive idea. It just we got into it without understanding 503 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: the true cost. I would say, what do you think. 504 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: I would completely agree And and as much as like 505 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, pharmaceuticals have to be vetted and tested and 506 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: you know with trials and you know, control groups and 507 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,479 Speaker 1: all of that, it's mind blowing to me. I would 508 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: be interested to know that the backstory of fracking or 509 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: how it was tested outside of the field. I mean, 510 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: it's eisly the kind of thing where you really have 511 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: to kind of field tested. There's no way to simulate. 512 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: Maybe there is, um let us know actually any uh 513 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: frackers out there or seismologists, but what we do know. 514 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: One of the states that the anonymous listener mentioned was Oklahoma, 515 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: and there is a pretty fantastic article and Scientific American 516 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: um by Anna Couchment that was released on September nine, 517 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. The headline, even if injection of fracking wastewater 518 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: stops quakes won't And the reason for that is, I 519 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: mean just a little bit of fracking one on one. 520 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: This is really oversimplified, but essentially, these drills are carried 521 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: to the site in numerous heavy you know trucks and assembled. 522 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's like twenty or thirty truckloads for 523 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: one single drill, uh put together. And then there is 524 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: a like a like a pilot hole that's drilled down 525 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: to about a hundred feet below the deepest aquifer. And 526 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: the aquifers are important because these you know, contaminated radium 527 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: contaminated water we're talking about can actually seep into the 528 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: aquifer the groundwater and all of that, um but that's 529 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: a separate issue. Then there's like a cemented steel casing 530 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: that's inserted down and then that goes down to about 531 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: a thousand feet above the underground area where like the 532 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: pockets of oil and gas are trapped, and that's when 533 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: they end. They do some other things cementing and testing 534 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: and make sure the pipe is is solid in terms 535 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: of like how much it will you know, hold if 536 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, actually not gonna leak any of 537 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: this fluid. Um. And then they complete the well and 538 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: then the fracking begins, which is essentially just pumping this 539 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: liquid deep deep, deep down into the earth. And it's 540 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: not like magic. It's just water and sand point five um, 541 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: chemicals that you would typically find around your house, nothing 542 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: like super secret or proprietary right acids exactly um. And 543 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: that's us pumped in a mega high pressure to the 544 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: point where it starts to uh kind of seep into 545 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: these perforations in the rock and the shale, and that 546 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: then frees the oil it's trapped. And then this is 547 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: done repeatedly, you know, until the you know, and then 548 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: the water is also there's like wastewater that goes into 549 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: these wastewater wells. But here's the thing, Um, this causes 550 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: fractures in deep, deep, deep ancient plates. And we remember 551 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: from geology, you know, or physical science, I guess what 552 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: happens when plates fracture or rub against each other. They 553 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: create tremors, know that, and they can and those tremors 554 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: can then lead to earthquakes. And even after the rigs 555 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: have been you know, picked up and moved on those 556 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: cracks remain. Yeah, so step back a little bit. I 557 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: think I think we often can forget just how established 558 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: fracking is because a lot of people didn't hear about 559 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: it in the mainstream until several years ago. But you 560 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: can trace the birth of fracking all the way back 561 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: to the eighteen sixties, and the stuff that we're talking 562 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: about hydraulic fracking really begins in like the nineteen forties. 563 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: This has been around for a while. Uh, there was 564 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: an economic factor that made it more profitable to engage 565 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: in fracking on a you know, on a wider scale. 566 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: And now that the infrastructure is in place, Uh, of 567 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: course people are not going to be incentivized to stop it. 568 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: But the the Permian basin is what we're talking about. 569 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: We're talking about Texas. It seems like since February to June. 570 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: In that time frame, there were at least ten quakes 571 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: in the area, ranging from two point oh to five 572 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: point oh on the Richter scale. I don't know, have 573 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: you ever been in an earthquake or a ten blower? 574 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: I never, Yes, it's trippy and uh when it when 575 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,720 Speaker 1: it happened, I was in an area that was prone 576 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: to these smaller quakes. So I looked like, by far, 577 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: the most cowardly person in the room. I was having 578 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: breakfast with uh lovely older family and the kids. There 579 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: were elderly people and there were kids. There was like 580 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: one person my age, and I was not having it. 581 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: I didn't understand how people just like everybody just kind 582 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: of braced and held whatever they were holding, Like they 583 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 1: picked up their glasses and the table was shaking a little, 584 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: and then when it was done, they put their glasses 585 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: down and they went back to eating again. It's so 586 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 1: weird how things can how quickly some things can become normal. 587 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: This is not normal, though. We need to point out 588 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: most of those quakes that I just mentioned are coming 589 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: from depths of about three miles in the ground or 590 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: five kilometers, So there is something there is something like 591 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: to your point, noal that's messing with the surface. The 592 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: industry is careful how they talk about this, UH, and 593 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: you'll get some conflicting reports depending on who you ask 594 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: about when you ask about the degree to which fracking 595 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: can affect or induce earthquakes. But to your point, seismologists 596 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: and geophysicists UH all agree that this technology plays a 597 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: role here. One weird thing I found a geophysicist Don 598 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: Blakeman from the National Earthquake Information Center who said it's 599 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: fairly common for places like West Texas to experience some 600 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: degree of small earthquakes. In fact, he said, you can 601 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: find like any almost any area of the US can 602 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: experience uh, small earthquakes, and some of them are so 603 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: small that you might not notice, you know what I mean, 604 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: unless you had a detector of some sort or you 605 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: had technology that could alert you to it. So, you know, 606 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: I have massive respect for the experts who are being 607 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: careful with the science and then trying not to be hyperbolic. 608 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: But man, it looks like there's a pretty solid case, 609 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't you say absolutely? I mean, you know, it's it's 610 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: you don't want to get too deep into the where 611 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: there's smoke, there's fire situation. But I mean this again, 612 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: the Scientific American article really makes a great case, you know, 613 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: in terms of the science behind it, the seismology. In 614 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: the article, um, they actually speak to Oklahoma's chief seismologist, 615 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 1: Jacob Walter. Uh and the article starts that Jacob Walter 616 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: likes to remind people that what has transpired in Oklahoma 617 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: over the past decade is unprecedented in human history. He 618 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: is Oklahoma State seismologist, and he is referring specifically to 619 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: a surge of earthquakes unprecedented in the history of the state. 620 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: UM since fracking was introduced. And we're talking about a 621 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: significant increase in the percentage of high magnitude earthquakes that 622 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: originate at these depths where this fracking activity is taking place. 623 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: Because according to the seismologist and also a well known 624 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: hydrologist that was quoted for this article, UM, this is 625 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: where the connections happen between these deeper faults that are 626 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: under more and more stress, and they can release more 627 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: and more energy from deep down that starts a chain 628 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: reaction that can lead to these higher magnitude earthquakes. And 629 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: there's actually even a study that was published in July 630 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: of last year in Proceedings of the National Academy of 631 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: Science is that used modeling to explain how pressure from 632 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: this wastewater disposal that I was talking about earlier can 633 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: also trigger earthquakes. So there's multiple elements in the in 634 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: the process of fracking that can lead to this kind 635 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: of stress on these deep ancient faults. Yeah, this is 636 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: an important point. Here's a question for everybody. I hope 637 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: it's I hope it's not too strange a question, But 638 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: are we going to reach a point where we can 639 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: no longer refer to some natural disasters as natural disasters? 640 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: What happens when a big one hits? In two thousand 641 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: and eight, uh, some eighty thousand people died or went 642 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 1: missing in China following a seven point nine earthquake seven 643 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: point nine on the Richter scale in Sichuan. And right now, 644 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: the experts believe this earthquake was triggered by a huge 645 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: reservoir three hundred twenty million tons of water just sitting 646 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: over a fault line. That doesn't feel like some super 647 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,240 Speaker 1: villain plan to make an earthquake, but it does feel 648 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: like it does feel like we have to acknowledge human rule, 649 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: the human rule in this and and fracking, by the way, 650 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: is a huge, huge industry. No one's really sure about 651 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: how you can about how to continue fracking without running 652 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: an ever increasing risk of manufacturing earthquakes, you know what 653 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, don't frack around the San Andreas, guys, 654 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 1: just don't do it. It's also become a really divisive 655 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: political issue because you know, as like progressive as the 656 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: new administration is, or as like you know, left leaning 657 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: politicians are in terms of like um environmentalism and and 658 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, increasing regulation on these types of operations, especially 659 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: on things that pollute. Fracking is almost considered like off 660 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: limits because it's such a money maker and such a 661 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: slam duck to get the job done that it's almost 662 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: like even something the left doesn't want to even touch 663 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: because it would absolutely alienate so many industries and constituents. Right, Yeah, 664 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: it's true. It can be. How I said, we said 665 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: it in a previous episode, it's messing with the money. 666 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: One of the money. Yeah, one of the one of 667 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,760 Speaker 1: the most harshly enforced unwritten laws in the United States. 668 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: So we right now we don't know where this will go, 669 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: but there there is a solid case that this practice 670 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: is approaching, you know, a conspiratorial level. We may be 671 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: in a situation where, not too many years from now, 672 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: leaked documents emerge that proves some of these large corporations 673 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: were explicitly aware of the dangers of this practice and 674 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: chase the profit line instead, just like the Pont and Taflon, 675 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,439 Speaker 1: just like the sugar industry, just like UM oh god, 676 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: there there are actually too many examples. But what do 677 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: you think you think we'll we'll see some new stuff 678 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: come to light. I I do think that I think 679 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: it will take a long time because these are some 680 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: very protected entities, you know. Uh. And and also just 681 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: back briefly what I was saying. Biden has made a 682 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: move to limit new oil leases for the time being. 683 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: He imposed a sixty day suspension uh and then this 684 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: week when a step further, ordering a moratorium on new 685 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: oil and gas leases on federal land and water areas. 686 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: So he is putting in some restrictions. But his opponents, 687 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: you know, a big campaign thing, a divisive item or 688 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: something that was used against him was this idea that 689 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: he would ban fracking uh. And that is clearly not 690 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: going to happen. Yeah, yeah, you're right. The the potential 691 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: to uh sustain a massive energy into street is a 692 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: huge deal. And also, you know, we're talking we're we 693 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: can't forget that we're talking about human beings who have 694 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: careers in this in this industry. We're talking about real people. Um. 695 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: The problem is we're also talking about real earthquakes. I 696 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: mean our listeners. Case in point, this is someone who uh, 697 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: gets their livelihood from this type of activity, but also 698 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: clearly feels a little divided on the issue. Right Yeah, 699 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: I mean it's a problem that's gonna becoming increasingly widespread 700 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: in the age of the anthroposine, which is the fancy 701 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: name for humans are messing stuff up. This is what 702 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: history will remember this era as. But we, of course 703 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: don't want to be too dystopian about this. We know 704 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: we know that there is exciting science in this field. 705 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: We know that there are some pretty amazing, highly impressive 706 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: research initiatives into alternative forms of energy. And I hate 707 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: that the phrase alternative forms of energy got this kind 708 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: of hippie esque of my asthma attached to it, Like 709 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 1: when when people say alternative forms of energy, they're really 710 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: talking about super old technology in a new way, stuff 711 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,479 Speaker 1: that existed way before we figured out this whole oil fad. 712 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,319 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Boats were wind powered, right, 713 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: That's it's not a crazy thing to say windmills existed. Uh. 714 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: People used the sun and the energy from it for 715 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 1: various other things. So I I think there's a world 716 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: where we can not manufacture earthquakes. Yeah, I would love 717 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,920 Speaker 1: that super great. I think we could all we can 718 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,959 Speaker 1: all get behind the idea that it would be great 719 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,839 Speaker 1: to not have more earthquakes. I don't think that's super divisive, 720 00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 1: but we appreciate your time, Anonymous, thank you for writing 721 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: in thank you to our two earlier listeners. We massively 722 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: appreciate your insight. As always, we want to hear from you, 723 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: so we try to make ourselves easy to find on 724 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: the Internet. You can hop on over to our Facebook 725 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 1: group page. 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