WEBVTT - You’re Wrong Friend: Eternals vs. Defenders 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.679 Warning. 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:06.720 Today's episode contained spoilers for Marvel's The Eternals and The 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:26.680 Defenders in the extended Marvel Universe in general, so be warned. Hello, 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.440 my name is Jason Concepcion and on Wedsday Night, and 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.920 welcome back DA's ravision of the podcast where we dived 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.599 Beady Ramite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. Coming from 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.120 My Heart podcast, where we're bringing you three episodes a 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:45.560 week every Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, with the mini episode 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.920 on Saturday, so it's technically four. Yeah, good broth, proud 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:49.239 of us. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:54.680 Today, we are debuting a new game show, Your Wrong Friend, 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.760 in which we hold up our sacred opinions to attack 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.800 and debate to decide what culture things someone is wrong. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.600 About and to help us out. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.880 Let's introduce you to our judges panel, who you may 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:07.720 be familiar with. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.600 Hi Andelnik and I'm Aaron Kaufman. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:18.679 The crowd goes wild. Wow, it's so good to see you. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.360 So good to see you, I beeve we never get 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.119 to see you. I'm so happy on the show. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.440 I just would like to start by saying flattery will 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.920 not help you win this debate. We are on fas only. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:33.160 So Joel, your glasses is a really cool to Oh 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.600 my god, extra high. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.640 Yeah, disagree. Flattery will get you very far with me. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.600 Let's lay out the rules in today's episode, which slightly 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.760 maligned Marvel team up property is more deserving of a 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:54.680 rewatch the Defenders or the Eternals. Jason is going to 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.720 stand in for the Defenders, while Rosie will be attempting 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.240 to connect with a Uni mind she are, thank. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:04.560 You for the Eternals. This is your wrong friend. 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.480 All right, Rosie, I got four minutes on the clock 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.359 for you. I will start when you begin speaking. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.520 From the very first time that I saw the Eternal's 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:20.000 movie picture and I saw it at Century City Westfield, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.119 And from the very first moment I saw it, I knew. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.240 It was a masterpiece. 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:28.320 I thought it was a hard sci fi romp through space, 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.920 the kind of thing we had never gotten in the 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.560 Marvel universe before. It was our first real experience of 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:41.440 the Marvel cosmic. Also, Chloe Joo shot on location in beautiful, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:47.519 gorgeous spaces that evoked the feel of, as Harry Styles 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:51.720 would have said at the Venice Film Festival, a real movie. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.120 This is the reason I like this movie feels like 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:58.880 a real movie, feels like there are wild, beautiful places 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:04.120 to go, exploration of the cosmic history of the Marvel universe, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.919 and a fantastic cast Jemma Chan, Richard Madden, Kamail Nan, Jarlie, 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:14.760 Liam mceugh, Brian Tyree, Henry my favorite, Lauren Ridloff, and 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.880 Barry Kyogan. That's my ship. I'm a big shipper of 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.679 those two. And I just generally think this movie is 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:26.840 a total underrated gem, especially because this is really the 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:31.560 first Jack Kirby adaptation that we've gotten that is as 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:37.000 strange and esoteric and weird as Jack's work himself, so 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.800 that to me is huge. Also, I'm just gonna say 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.840 Westfield Century City screening of this movie was the first 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.920 place that me and Jason ever met person after recording 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.120 the podcast together. Very auspicious movie for me, and I 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:56.400 think that while there are, you know, fair critics who 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.600 of the idea of the pacing in this movie, it's 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.320 a little bit slow. It's very all consuming. You kind 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.840 of have to buy into the world. I think that, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.920 especially in twenty twenty five, if you are sick of 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.640 the volume, if you are sick of seeing your favorite 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.680 characters seged on top of other favorite characters. The Eternals 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:20.920 is a gorgeously cinematographyed by Ben Davis, great cinematographer there 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:25.840 doing like unbelievable work to create a really beautiful, practical 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:31.840 physical space. Also, it has a very interesting plotline about 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.240 the realities of if you are a colonizer and what 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.919 you do and what does it mean to actually be 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.159 someone who goes to a planet and makes it better 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:41.960 or goes to a space and makes it worse. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.000 I just think it's so good. 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:48.640 Also, our first and maybe only Mirshaela ali is Blade 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.919 moment we get in the Vinyl post credits scene in 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.960 which we also see Dane Whitman played by none other 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:59.279 than Kit Harrington from Game of Thrones, one of my 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:00.880 favorite characters Black Night. 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:02.159 So it's not just the movie. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.320 I also think there's a lot of fun stuff around 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.960 the movie, like another character will never see Harry Styles 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.560 as star Fox, but wasn't that fun? 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.440 I thought it was still fun, Like I was fine. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.680 I thought that was fun, you know, and it was 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.559 nice to see him. It was nice to see Pip 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:22.480 the Troll. And I will continue by saying I think 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.920 that if you really watch the MCU films, all in 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.640 order and you get to this movie. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.880 This is a change in pace. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:36.400 It is a delightful, immersive, emotional, hard sci fi that 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.360 we just don't really get anymore. This is such a 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:45.359 fun movie. It's got killer action. Also, resess Speedster that 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.440 we've seen on screen thanks to Lauren Ridloff in the 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.800 way that they brought mccary's powers to life. Also our 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.120 first death superhero in the MCU, which I love. And 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.040 you know, Brian Tyree Henry as Pastos Kiss is a 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.400 guy and has a little baby. Also Dundley, legendary Dunley 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.400 is Gilgamesh. I want to see him in the MCU 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.640 a million times and that is why I to me 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.719 the Tunnels is in the top five of my MCU 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.040 movie all right, extra. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.840 Strong, strong opening statements from Rosie. A lot of things 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:22.600 to consider. They're Jason, your four minutes begins. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:24.080 Now. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:33.880 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen of the Judiciary. Senor Senoras de judicial. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:38.800 Let's talk about let's talk about the defenders, and let's 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.599 get the problems out of the way. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:41.039 First. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.960 Finn Jones's iron fists, White guys, iron fist, we got it. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.760 It's a problem. I know, bad guys are the hand. 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:54.520 The Ninjas again, reused, once again, reheated, put out there 0:06:55.520 --> 0:07:02.680 once again as these kind of mindless Asian killers. We 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.600 get it. It's it's been done. Here's the thing. It's 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.440 the year twenty twenty five. We're talking about a rewatch. No, 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:14.560 we're talking about a rewatch. And here's the hook, babe. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.280 The fights are fucking good. They are great, and you 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.280 get one of them at least per episode. You don't 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.120 like what the what you're hearing, let me quote Don 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.880 Draper if you don't like what's being said to you, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.120 because the hand is here, because Sigourney Weaver is a 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:36.480 kind of nonsense, big bad, because Finn Jones whatever, change 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.160 the conversation, fast forward to the next fight. That's all 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.160 you gotta do, babe. And here's the other thing that 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.239 you don't realize because you haven't rewatched Defenders in a while. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.640 This cast has actually great chemistry. The chemistry is actually 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:56.200 really good, okay, And there's an actual effective arc of 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.960 a bunch of street level characters. Finn Jones, Danny Randyron, 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:06.000 Mike Colter, the Daddy, Licious, Luke Cage, Charlie Cox. Of course, 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:12.000 you're loner, in the streets, Daredevil, Kristin Riddard, Jessica Jones, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:17.720 Colleen Wing, Jessica Henwick, Claire Temple, Rosari Dawson, all these folks. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.960 They're not used to working together, and this show does 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:25.920 a really really effective job at showing how not comfortable 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.720 they are Throughout most of these fights. There's some wonderful 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:34.880 back and forth about why Charlie Cox Matthew Murdoch aka 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.680 Daredevil is the only guy in this entire group as 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.720 they fight ninjas to wear a mask. Everybody else's face listening, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.400 show your face, Daredevil, what's the issue? This is a 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:50.240 wonderful show on the rewatch and even the stuff that 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:57.079 you don't like, Finn Jones, the hand is overpowered by 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:03.280 the truly wonderful chemist of these actors and this group. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:08.000 And let me say again, because you know about Daredevil 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:12.760 on Netflix, the incredible action scenes that you find there, 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.000 you know about the Punisher of the brutality on Netflix, 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.800 the kind of brutal action scenes that you see here 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.040 The Defenders gives you that. It gives you that, and again, 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.920 it gives you that once per episode. And it's not 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.640 just the kind of Daredevil action scenes in which you 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:35.439 know these kind of one shot you know, au tour 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:40.080 bait shots of Daredevil just by himself taking on five guys. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:44.000 This is a group of heroes and the synergy between them, 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:48.200 you see, the kind of like budding cooperation start to 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.320 happen as they all come to realize what their own 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.920 powers are. There's a wonderful sequence that stretches from episode 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.520 four to five in which are heroes on the run 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.560 from a big fight end up in a Chinese restaurant 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.040 fighting more guys than a super assassin drops in. That's 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:09.360 to start episode five. Now this fight is bridging two episodes, 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:12.800 and as the gunmen show up outside and begin riddling 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.240 the place with bullets, Luke Cage shields them with his body. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.040 Is the first time a lot of these characters are 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.280 seeing this, and that's cool. There are these cool hidden 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:27.160 moments that are one wonderful people out to harken to 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.120 what this show could be if it is rebooted. Thank 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:30.760 you for your time. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.480 Wow, those are some great opening arguments. I'm not sure 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.240 where I stand just yet. I think we've got a 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.959 lot to consider from both sides. So let's take a 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.400 quick break, but don't go anywhere. When we come back, 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.760 the judges will get to ask each panelist to follow 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.959 up question, and we'll hear closing statements from Jason and 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:51.839 Rosie before final deliberations. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:53.080 We'll be right back. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:16.720 Wow, we laid some spice out on the table. I 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.840 am considering some things I hadn't thought about before, the 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:24.040 idea of what makes a good team rewatch, the idea 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:28.240 of in the large, hours and hours long cannon of Marvel, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:33.400 what is skippable and what should absolutely be reserved for 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:34.840 its artistic integrity. 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.760 Oh man, we have a lot of thoughts here. Rosie. 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.920 You had some really beautiful points, but then you mentioned Harry. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.840 Styles and I snagged. I snagged a bit. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:50.720 We're really struggling overall with the cohesion of Marvel at 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:55.800 this point, and I don't think this film helped we 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.640 get so many new characters. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:11:59.880 It's a little bit. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.640 Using a chaotic What would you say to somebody who 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.560 is like Rosier get that it's beautiful, But at what 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.600 I came here for is marvel greatness, which means fight 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:15.199 scenes and glossy costumes, and I felt it lacked. Why 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.480 should I give my time to this film? 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.080 If you're worried about the cohesion. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.199 While it is true that Marvel does have an issue 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.880 right now, especially with introducing characters that we probably won't 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.439 see again, like the version of Hercules from thor Love 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.199 and Thunder or Harry Styles, what this movie does have 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.439 is a giant eternal in the ocean called Tiamut. And 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.400 that giant eternal, we've all been saying, guys, when are 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.760 they going to bring it up? We're covering sheeholk, We're like, 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.240 when are they going to bring it up? They bring 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.400 it up on a you know, internet side easter egg. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.240 But Captain America Brave New. 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.080 World is coming out thirty seconds and when. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.000 That movie comes out, you will need to know about 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.200 Tiamut because that is where we are going to put 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.480 your spoilers on. If you don't want to know, discover 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.319 Adamantium in the MCU, which will be a huge moment 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.840 for both the X Men, Captain America and the MCU 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.160 as a whole. So I say that while it may 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:13.360 just be one giant eternal in the ocean, that is 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.520 a connectivity that you must know before going into a 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:17.800 Brave New Wow. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.439 Thank you, Rosie, listen, uh listeners. I just want to 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.240 let you know that we are recording this before Brave 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.600 New World. So if Rosie's argument does not stand after that, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:29.080 but it's. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.360 Not her fault, all right. The trailers led us to believe. 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.600 Okay, So I don't want to hear your slander, all right, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.960 So with that in mind, we're taking it over to Jason. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.400 Jason had some good thoughts here, all right. He said, 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.960 forget about the white Ninjas, all right. We acknowledged the 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:47.559 Gordy Weafer is a little strange. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.560 There's the boss, white ninja. The Boss is a white ninja. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:55.320 The rank and file are Asian ninjas as. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:14:00.600 Star Yes, okay, Well, I would like to know, similarly 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.760 to my question for Rosie, I have many, many, many, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.360 many many many hours of Netflix television to watch. I 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.440 could be watching the greatest season of television, maybe ever, 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.760 Season one of Jessica Jones. I could be enjoying Hollway 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:19.320 fight scenes. Okay, but you said go check out the Defenders. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.920 I'd like you to expand a little bit on what 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.560 makes them a team worth tuning into. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.480 The fights are great, their powers work great together. You 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.080 know why is a Reese's peanut butter cup good? It's 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.680 just chocolate and peanut butter, because chocolate and peanut butter. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.640 You put them together, and something else happens. You put 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.760 these characters together, you've got the kind of will they 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:50.760 won't day of Jessica and Luke. You've got the I did. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.520 I'm not used to working with other people unless it's 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:58.440 in a courtroom with Matthew Murdoch. You've got Jessica Jones, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.720 who similarly is a solo piece who's now romantic life 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.440 is intersecting with this. You've got Finn Jones, who all 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:09.080 I will say, iron fist all throughout this this story 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.600 is being interrogated about why he is iron fist, which, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.040 by the way, Marvel, if you want to get to me, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:16.840 I have a good pitch on how you could actually 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:18.200 do a white iron fist. I don't think you should 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.920 an Oh but here's the thing. The fight again, and 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.160 I can't struss this enough. You mentioned the hallway fight 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:28.640 scene of Daredevil. The fights are great. They're great. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:35.120 Okay, we're tuning in for fight scenes and epic connections. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.200 The will lays, won't theyse? I appreciate it. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.400 So Aaron, it's time for you to ask some questions. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.240 So Jason, as you're saying This has incredible fight scenes. 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.840 This has great chemistry between these characters. One of the 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.360 things I'm worried about as a rewatch, I don't want 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.440 to have to rewatch two seasons of Daredevil, two seasons 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.040 of Jessica Jones, one season of Luke Cage, and one 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.240 season of Iron Fist just to get to this. Is 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:04.480 this team up show accessible if I haven't seen the 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.800 prerequisite things at all or in a very long time. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.200 Yes, absolutely, you know that. You know the basics. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:11.480 Right. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.320 Here's the thing about a rewatch? Why are we Why 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:19.720 are we letting ourselves be caged by these rules? Like 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.800 I have to know all the stuff that happened before. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.040 I have to watch forty eight episodes of television to 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.480 get to this, I have to watch every single second 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.400 and minute of this season that I am now rewatching. Now, man, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.680 just fast forward to the fights. You're good, Well, you 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.320 know what do you need more than that? We all 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.400 we we're busy people. The soul is falling apart. You 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.040 just have a few minutes. You want to get that 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:47.120 dopamine hit and feel great. Fast forward to the Defender 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:53.480 fights and watch them. They are good period, well choreographed, 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:59.160 well executed, brutal, good hits, good stunt work. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.280 They are I see my. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:12.639 Time, my point, all right, Rosie, my question for you. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.639 Jason pointed out one of the great things about Defenders, 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:21.280 the sparkling chemistry between these main characters, watching Matt and 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.720 Jessica interact with each other, watching Jessica interact with Luke, 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:29.320 watching Luke interact with Iron Fist, not to mention Colleen 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.800 Wing like, there are side characters upon side characters, and 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.120 the return of fan favorite Elodie Young as Electra, which 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.440 was barely even brought up in Jason's argument. I don't 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.200 mean to do his job for him. But my question 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:48.040 for the eternals, this movie is big. This movie introduces 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.880 us to ten main characters, three new characters that, as 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.280 you mentioned, who knows if they go anywhere? Four I 0:17:55.280 --> 0:18:00.720 guess if you include Blade's detached voice. Is this movie 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.760 so big that I have to pay attention the whole 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.480 time and I can't sort of fade in and out 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:08.320 of my rewatch. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.720 No, in fact, and this is a classic me and Jason, 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.840 the situation that we've gotten ourselves into here. I agree 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.040 with Jason about The Defenders. I think he's got the 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.520 right idea. And I'm gonna tell you something, guys. The 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.560 Eternals is a great movie. I love it, but it's long. 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.359 The MCU loves to make a long movie. This movie 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.520 has lots of characters, but you know what it has 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:36.400 within that unbelievable chemistry between certain characters. Now, Gemma Chann 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.239 and Richard Madden first sex scene in the MCU, are 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.440 you feeling the chemistry popping off them? Not really, but. 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:43.080 You know who? 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.760 Fast forward it baby, any scene don Ley and Angelina 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.560 Jolie together, Oh my god, guild them that you want 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.840 to be there with them. As I said before, Barry 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:57.120 Kewen and Lauren Ridlock, that shit is so spicy and 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.199 fiery and fun to see, like a death super hair 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.080 out with how kind of cocky boyfriend. So if we're 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:04.840 on a rewatch thing and you just want to see 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.480 the best moments for a channels, you too, can't. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:08.200 Use your foss forwards. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.480 Amazing Oh Disney plus wow. 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:20.520 Okay, Okay, So Aaron, this is really interesting what I'm 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:24.000 hearing is And I don't know if this makes an 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.000 argument for you, but both of these can be watched 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.400 as second screen entertainment, which does have its values. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:30.520 It listens. 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.080 Sometimes I want to be on my phone and passively 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.199 watching a TV show. But what I'm listening to the 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.160 arguments for why you should we watch this? How does 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.000 this a docs a teal for it is as it's 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.840 not as important? How do you lookcause you said you 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.320 said you would prefer your rewatches to be second screen entertainment. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.639 You know what? I think that because they both argued 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.800 from the same point. I'm not going to dock either 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.360 of them for that, because both of them said, this 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.159 is something where we can selectively see moments of the 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.800 movie or the show that we really enjoyed, and they 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.480 both brought up particularly memorable scenes, at least for me, 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.320 I love the Chinese food restaurant scene and Defenders, I 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.800 love the meal scene at Theena and Gilgamesh's in eternals 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.000 with Kingo and his cameraman hanging out there. Both are 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:19.040 great scenes. So I will happily accept both of them 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.399 pitching their rewatched property as something that I will not 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.160 one hundred percent two eyes be rewatching the entire time. 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:34.280 So let's go to our closing statements. Rosie, you introed first, 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.760 so I think Jason does his closing statement first. So Jason, 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:39.879 you have one minute on the clock whenever you're ready. 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:45.760 As we were recording this, the new Thunderbolt trailer has 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:50.480 recently dropped, and in it, Yolena says of this new team, 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.080 none of us can fly. None of us are heroes. 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.120 We just kick and punch. The Defenders did it first, 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.320 and in The Defenders a show that it is admittedly imperfect, 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.840 the things that work work so well that when you 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:08.879 rewatch this show, you will be saying to yourself, I 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:13.080 can't wait for them to retry that idea in something else. 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:20.000 Street Level is something that Marvel doesn't have a lot 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.320 of content about right now, but they have a vast 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:26.959 history of it in their comics. If they can apply 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.680 some of the good stuff from Defenders, which is amazing, 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.359 the fights, the chemistry, et cetera to their new stuff, 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.600 you're gonna see something wonderful and you receee it. In 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:35.800 Defenders first. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.440 Rosie final statement, I. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.320 Think I have pretty much exhausted my love for the 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:48.080 Eternals throughout the years on this podcast and in this argument, 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.680 I have highlighted the moments, so I'm gonna say, look, 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.159 you know what the Etunnals has that none of the 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:56.880 other movies have it has that sex scene and Chloe 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:02.360 Shao shoots that sex scene where you can see Richard 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.960 Madden and his hips moving like you can feel the 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:07.000 impact of the stroke. 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.240 You're never gonna get that in an. 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:10.600 MCU movie ever again. 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:15.879 That shit is crazy. We say that in the cinema 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:17.200 and you could see it and. 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.600 We were like, oh my god, this is happening. 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.040 So I'm saying, look, you don't want to watch that titles, 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:22.960 that's your loss. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:23.640 I love this movie. 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:26.440 I'm wearing a titles t shot, but you are never 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:30.679 gonna get an our house sex scene like that in 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.080 an MCU movie ever again. And even in the Defenders 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.240 and Indesica journs, that's a much more dynamic action pack, 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.240 like fucking this is like I loved you for a 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:41.880 thousand years. Feel like. 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:49.600 Wow, I thought Jason had slam dunked it in his 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:53.440 final statement and then here emerges Rosie, which stroke game 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:54.840 so good you could feel it. 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:56.240 I was not the good. 0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.480 We're gonna go to ads real quick. We will be 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:19.879 right back with our judges deliberation. All right, Joelle, So 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.199 we've heard the closing arguments, we've heard the answers, to 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:25.159 our questions, and we've heard their opening statements. How are 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.360 you feeling right now? Which of these two things are 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.439 you most likely to go rewatch this evening? 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.840 I will tell you at the start of this it 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:34.720 was gonna be like I was like, well, Defenders is 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:36.520 what I would put in. I'm not a fan of 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:40.040 the eternals. I see and appreciate what Chloe was trying 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.240 to do. There are moments that are fun to tune 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:46.200 into for me, but overall not about it. But Rosie 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.000 argued really well, and now I'm like, maybe what did 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:51.680 I miss? Which I think is really the calling for 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:55.520 a rewatch? Right You're either rewatching something because you love 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.400 it and you want to re experience it, or because 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:00.560 you may have missed something on the first screening and 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.480 you want to make sure that you fully understand and 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:05.400 appreciate the vision that's been laid out for you. 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:08.840 I'm swaying a little bit. Where are you at, Aaron? 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.320