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Speaker 2: Today's episode contained spoilers for Marvel's The Eternals and The
Speaker 2: Defenders in the extended Marvel Universe in general, so be warned. Hello,
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Speaker 3: Today, we are debuting a new game show, Your Wrong Friend,
Speaker 3: in which we hold up our sacred opinions to attack
Speaker 3: and debate to decide what culture things someone is wrong.
Speaker 1: About and to help us out.
Speaker 3: Let's introduce you to our judges panel, who you may
Speaker 3: be familiar with.
Speaker 1: Hi Andelnik and I'm Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2: The crowd goes wild. Wow, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 2: So good to see you, I beeve we never get
Speaker 2: to see you. I'm so happy on the show.
Speaker 4: I just would like to start by saying flattery will
Speaker 4: not help you win this debate. We are on fas only.
Speaker 2: So Joel, your glasses is a really cool to Oh
Speaker 2: my god, extra high.
Speaker 1: Yeah, disagree. Flattery will get you very far with me.
Speaker 4: Let's lay out the rules in today's episode, which slightly
Speaker 4: maligned Marvel team up property is more deserving of a
Speaker 4: rewatch the Defenders or the Eternals. Jason is going to
Speaker 4: stand in for the Defenders, while Rosie will be attempting
Speaker 4: to connect with a Uni mind she are, thank.
Speaker 5: You for the Eternals. This is your wrong friend.
Speaker 1: All right, Rosie, I got four minutes on the clock
Speaker 1: for you. I will start when you begin speaking.
Speaker 3: From the very first time that I saw the Eternal's
Speaker 3: movie picture and I saw it at Century City Westfield,
Speaker 3: And from the very first moment I saw it, I knew.
Speaker 1: It was a masterpiece.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a hard sci fi romp through space,
Speaker 3: the kind of thing we had never gotten in the
Speaker 3: Marvel universe before. It was our first real experience of
Speaker 3: the Marvel cosmic. Also, Chloe Joo shot on location in beautiful,
Speaker 3: gorgeous spaces that evoked the feel of, as Harry Styles
Speaker 3: would have said at the Venice Film Festival, a real movie.
Speaker 3: This is the reason I like this movie feels like
Speaker 3: a real movie, feels like there are wild, beautiful places
Speaker 3: to go, exploration of the cosmic history of the Marvel universe,
Speaker 3: and a fantastic cast Jemma Chan, Richard Madden, Kamail Nan, Jarlie,
Speaker 3: Liam mceugh, Brian Tyree, Henry my favorite, Lauren Ridloff, and
Speaker 3: Barry Kyogan. That's my ship. I'm a big shipper of
Speaker 3: those two. And I just generally think this movie is
Speaker 3: a total underrated gem, especially because this is really the
Speaker 3: first Jack Kirby adaptation that we've gotten that is as
Speaker 3: strange and esoteric and weird as Jack's work himself, so
Speaker 3: that to me is huge. Also, I'm just gonna say
Speaker 3: Westfield Century City screening of this movie was the first
Speaker 3: place that me and Jason ever met person after recording
Speaker 3: the podcast together. Very auspicious movie for me, and I
Speaker 3: think that while there are, you know, fair critics who
Speaker 3: of the idea of the pacing in this movie, it's
Speaker 3: a little bit slow. It's very all consuming. You kind
Speaker 3: of have to buy into the world. I think that,
Speaker 3: especially in twenty twenty five, if you are sick of
Speaker 3: the volume, if you are sick of seeing your favorite
Speaker 3: characters seged on top of other favorite characters. The Eternals
Speaker 3: is a gorgeously cinematographyed by Ben Davis, great cinematographer there
Speaker 3: doing like unbelievable work to create a really beautiful, practical
Speaker 3: physical space. Also, it has a very interesting plotline about
Speaker 3: the realities of if you are a colonizer and what
Speaker 3: you do and what does it mean to actually be
Speaker 3: someone who goes to a planet and makes it better
Speaker 3: or goes to a space and makes it worse.
Speaker 1: I just think it's so good.
Speaker 3: Also, our first and maybe only Mirshaela ali is Blade
Speaker 3: moment we get in the Vinyl post credits scene in
Speaker 3: which we also see Dane Whitman played by none other
Speaker 3: than Kit Harrington from Game of Thrones, one of my
Speaker 3: favorite characters Black Night.
Speaker 1: So it's not just the movie.
Speaker 3: I also think there's a lot of fun stuff around
Speaker 3: the movie, like another character will never see Harry Styles
Speaker 3: as star Fox, but wasn't that fun?
Speaker 2: I thought it was still fun, Like I was fine.
Speaker 3: I thought that was fun, you know, and it was
Speaker 3: nice to see him. It was nice to see Pip
Speaker 3: the Troll. And I will continue by saying I think
Speaker 3: that if you really watch the MCU films, all in
Speaker 3: order and you get to this movie.
Speaker 2: This is a change in pace.
Speaker 3: It is a delightful, immersive, emotional, hard sci fi that
Speaker 3: we just don't really get anymore. This is such a
Speaker 3: fun movie. It's got killer action. Also, resess Speedster that
Speaker 3: we've seen on screen thanks to Lauren Ridloff in the
Speaker 3: way that they brought mccary's powers to life. Also our
Speaker 3: first death superhero in the MCU, which I love. And
Speaker 3: you know, Brian Tyree Henry as Pastos Kiss is a
Speaker 3: guy and has a little baby. Also Dundley, legendary Dunley
Speaker 3: is Gilgamesh. I want to see him in the MCU
Speaker 3: a million times and that is why I to me
Speaker 3: the Tunnels is in the top five of my MCU
Speaker 3: movie all right, extra.
Speaker 4: Strong, strong opening statements from Rosie. A lot of things
Speaker 4: to consider. They're Jason, your four minutes begins.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen of the Judiciary. Senor Senoras de judicial.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about let's talk about the defenders, and let's
Speaker 2: get the problems out of the way.
Speaker 5: First.
Speaker 2: Finn Jones's iron fists, White guys, iron fist, we got it.
Speaker 2: It's a problem. I know, bad guys are the hand.
Speaker 2: The Ninjas again, reused, once again, reheated, put out there
Speaker 2: once again as these kind of mindless Asian killers. We
Speaker 2: get it. It's it's been done. Here's the thing. It's
Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty five. We're talking about a rewatch. No,
Speaker 2: we're talking about a rewatch. And here's the hook, babe.
Speaker 2: The fights are fucking good. They are great, and you
Speaker 2: get one of them at least per episode. You don't
Speaker 2: like what the what you're hearing, let me quote Don
Speaker 2: Draper if you don't like what's being said to you,
Speaker 2: because the hand is here, because Sigourney Weaver is a
Speaker 2: kind of nonsense, big bad, because Finn Jones whatever, change
Speaker 2: the conversation, fast forward to the next fight. That's all
Speaker 2: you gotta do, babe. And here's the other thing that
Speaker 2: you don't realize because you haven't rewatched Defenders in a while.
Speaker 2: This cast has actually great chemistry. The chemistry is actually
Speaker 2: really good, okay, And there's an actual effective arc of
Speaker 2: a bunch of street level characters. Finn Jones, Danny Randyron,
Speaker 2: Mike Colter, the Daddy, Licious, Luke Cage, Charlie Cox. Of course,
Speaker 2: you're loner, in the streets, Daredevil, Kristin Riddard, Jessica Jones,
Speaker 2: Colleen Wing, Jessica Henwick, Claire Temple, Rosari Dawson, all these folks.
Speaker 2: They're not used to working together, and this show does
Speaker 2: a really really effective job at showing how not comfortable
Speaker 2: they are Throughout most of these fights. There's some wonderful
Speaker 2: back and forth about why Charlie Cox Matthew Murdoch aka
Speaker 2: Daredevil is the only guy in this entire group as
Speaker 2: they fight ninjas to wear a mask. Everybody else's face listening,
Speaker 2: show your face, Daredevil, what's the issue? This is a
Speaker 2: wonderful show on the rewatch and even the stuff that
Speaker 2: you don't like, Finn Jones, the hand is overpowered by
Speaker 2: the truly wonderful chemist of these actors and this group.
Speaker 2: And let me say again, because you know about Daredevil
Speaker 2: on Netflix, the incredible action scenes that you find there,
Speaker 2: you know about the Punisher of the brutality on Netflix,
Speaker 2: the kind of brutal action scenes that you see here
Speaker 2: The Defenders gives you that. It gives you that, and again,
Speaker 2: it gives you that once per episode. And it's not
Speaker 2: just the kind of Daredevil action scenes in which you
Speaker 2: know these kind of one shot you know, au tour
Speaker 2: bait shots of Daredevil just by himself taking on five guys.
Speaker 2: This is a group of heroes and the synergy between them,
Speaker 2: you see, the kind of like budding cooperation start to
Speaker 2: happen as they all come to realize what their own
Speaker 2: powers are. There's a wonderful sequence that stretches from episode
Speaker 2: four to five in which are heroes on the run
Speaker 2: from a big fight end up in a Chinese restaurant
Speaker 2: fighting more guys than a super assassin drops in. That's
Speaker 2: to start episode five. Now this fight is bridging two episodes,
Speaker 2: and as the gunmen show up outside and begin riddling
Speaker 2: the place with bullets, Luke Cage shields them with his body.
Speaker 2: Is the first time a lot of these characters are
Speaker 2: seeing this, and that's cool. There are these cool hidden
Speaker 2: moments that are one wonderful people out to harken to
Speaker 2: what this show could be if it is rebooted. Thank
Speaker 2: you for your time.
Speaker 4: Wow, those are some great opening arguments. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: where I stand just yet. I think we've got a
Speaker 4: lot to consider from both sides. So let's take a
Speaker 4: quick break, but don't go anywhere. When we come back,
Speaker 4: the judges will get to ask each panelist to follow
Speaker 4: up question, and we'll hear closing statements from Jason and
Speaker 4: Rosie before final deliberations.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back.
Speaker 4: Wow, we laid some spice out on the table. I
Speaker 4: am considering some things I hadn't thought about before, the
Speaker 4: idea of what makes a good team rewatch, the idea
Speaker 4: of in the large, hours and hours long cannon of Marvel,
Speaker 4: what is skippable and what should absolutely be reserved for
Speaker 4: its artistic integrity.
Speaker 5: Oh man, we have a lot of thoughts here. Rosie.
Speaker 4: You had some really beautiful points, but then you mentioned Harry.
Speaker 5: Styles and I snagged. I snagged a bit.
Speaker 4: We're really struggling overall with the cohesion of Marvel at
Speaker 4: this point, and I don't think this film helped we
Speaker 4: get so many new characters.
Speaker 5: It's a little bit.
Speaker 4: Using a chaotic What would you say to somebody who
Speaker 4: is like Rosier get that it's beautiful, But at what
Speaker 4: I came here for is marvel greatness, which means fight
Speaker 4: scenes and glossy costumes, and I felt it lacked. Why
Speaker 4: should I give my time to this film?
Speaker 1: If you're worried about the cohesion.
Speaker 3: While it is true that Marvel does have an issue
Speaker 3: right now, especially with introducing characters that we probably won't
Speaker 3: see again, like the version of Hercules from thor Love
Speaker 3: and Thunder or Harry Styles, what this movie does have
Speaker 3: is a giant eternal in the ocean called Tiamut. And
Speaker 3: that giant eternal, we've all been saying, guys, when are
Speaker 3: they going to bring it up? We're covering sheeholk, We're like,
Speaker 3: when are they going to bring it up? They bring
Speaker 3: it up on a you know, internet side easter egg.
Speaker 3: But Captain America Brave New.
Speaker 1: World is coming out thirty seconds and when.
Speaker 3: That movie comes out, you will need to know about
Speaker 3: Tiamut because that is where we are going to put
Speaker 3: your spoilers on. If you don't want to know, discover
Speaker 3: Adamantium in the MCU, which will be a huge moment
Speaker 3: for both the X Men, Captain America and the MCU
Speaker 3: as a whole. So I say that while it may
Speaker 3: just be one giant eternal in the ocean, that is
Speaker 3: a connectivity that you must know before going into a
Speaker 3: Brave New Wow.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Rosie, listen, uh listeners. I just want to
Speaker 4: let you know that we are recording this before Brave
Speaker 4: New World. So if Rosie's argument does not stand after that,
Speaker 4: but it's.
Speaker 5: Not her fault, all right. The trailers led us to believe.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I don't want to hear your slander, all right,
Speaker 4: So with that in mind, we're taking it over to Jason.
Speaker 4: Jason had some good thoughts here, all right. He said,
Speaker 4: forget about the white Ninjas, all right. We acknowledged the
Speaker 4: Gordy Weafer is a little strange.
Speaker 2: There's the boss, white ninja. The Boss is a white ninja.
Speaker 2: The rank and file are Asian ninjas as.
Speaker 4: Star Yes, okay, Well, I would like to know, similarly
Speaker 4: to my question for Rosie, I have many, many, many,
Speaker 4: many many many hours of Netflix television to watch. I
Speaker 4: could be watching the greatest season of television, maybe ever,
Speaker 4: Season one of Jessica Jones. I could be enjoying Hollway
Speaker 4: fight scenes. Okay, but you said go check out the Defenders.
Speaker 4: I'd like you to expand a little bit on what
Speaker 4: makes them a team worth tuning into.
Speaker 2: The fights are great, their powers work great together. You
Speaker 2: know why is a Reese's peanut butter cup good? It's
Speaker 2: just chocolate and peanut butter, because chocolate and peanut butter.
Speaker 2: You put them together, and something else happens. You put
Speaker 2: these characters together, you've got the kind of will they
Speaker 2: won't day of Jessica and Luke. You've got the I did.
Speaker 2: I'm not used to working with other people unless it's
Speaker 2: in a courtroom with Matthew Murdoch. You've got Jessica Jones,
Speaker 2: who similarly is a solo piece who's now romantic life
Speaker 2: is intersecting with this. You've got Finn Jones, who all
Speaker 2: I will say, iron fist all throughout this this story
Speaker 2: is being interrogated about why he is iron fist, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, Marvel, if you want to get to me,
Speaker 2: I have a good pitch on how you could actually
Speaker 2: do a white iron fist. I don't think you should
Speaker 2: an Oh but here's the thing. The fight again, and
Speaker 2: I can't struss this enough. You mentioned the hallway fight
Speaker 2: scene of Daredevil. The fights are great. They're great.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're tuning in for fight scenes and epic connections.
Speaker 4: The will lays, won't theyse? I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: So Aaron, it's time for you to ask some questions.
Speaker 1: So Jason, as you're saying This has incredible fight scenes.
Speaker 1: This has great chemistry between these characters. One of the
Speaker 1: things I'm worried about as a rewatch, I don't want
Speaker 1: to have to rewatch two seasons of Daredevil, two seasons
Speaker 1: of Jessica Jones, one season of Luke Cage, and one
Speaker 1: season of Iron Fist just to get to this. Is
Speaker 1: this team up show accessible if I haven't seen the
Speaker 1: prerequisite things at all or in a very long time.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, you know that. You know the basics.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about a rewatch? Why are we Why
Speaker 2: are we letting ourselves be caged by these rules? Like
Speaker 2: I have to know all the stuff that happened before.
Speaker 2: I have to watch forty eight episodes of television to
Speaker 2: get to this, I have to watch every single second
Speaker 2: and minute of this season that I am now rewatching. Now, man,
Speaker 2: just fast forward to the fights. You're good, Well, you
Speaker 2: know what do you need more than that? We all
Speaker 2: we we're busy people. The soul is falling apart. You
Speaker 2: just have a few minutes. You want to get that
Speaker 2: dopamine hit and feel great. Fast forward to the Defender
Speaker 2: fights and watch them. They are good period, well choreographed,
Speaker 2: well executed, brutal, good hits, good stunt work.
Speaker 1: They are I see my.
Speaker 6: Time, my point, all right, Rosie, my question for you.
Speaker 1: Jason pointed out one of the great things about Defenders,
Speaker 1: the sparkling chemistry between these main characters, watching Matt and
Speaker 1: Jessica interact with each other, watching Jessica interact with Luke,
Speaker 1: watching Luke interact with Iron Fist, not to mention Colleen
Speaker 1: Wing like, there are side characters upon side characters, and
Speaker 1: the return of fan favorite Elodie Young as Electra, which
Speaker 1: was barely even brought up in Jason's argument. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to do his job for him. But my question
Speaker 1: for the eternals, this movie is big. This movie introduces
Speaker 1: us to ten main characters, three new characters that, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, who knows if they go anywhere? Four I
Speaker 1: guess if you include Blade's detached voice. Is this movie
Speaker 1: so big that I have to pay attention the whole
Speaker 1: time and I can't sort of fade in and out
Speaker 1: of my rewatch.
Speaker 3: No, in fact, and this is a classic me and Jason,
Speaker 3: the situation that we've gotten ourselves into here. I agree
Speaker 3: with Jason about The Defenders. I think he's got the
Speaker 3: right idea. And I'm gonna tell you something, guys. The
Speaker 3: Eternals is a great movie. I love it, but it's long.
Speaker 3: The MCU loves to make a long movie. This movie
Speaker 3: has lots of characters, but you know what it has
Speaker 3: within that unbelievable chemistry between certain characters. Now, Gemma Chann
Speaker 3: and Richard Madden first sex scene in the MCU, are
Speaker 3: you feeling the chemistry popping off them? Not really, but.
Speaker 1: You know who?
Speaker 3: Fast forward it baby, any scene don Ley and Angelina
Speaker 3: Jolie together, Oh my god, guild them that you want
Speaker 3: to be there with them. As I said before, Barry
Speaker 3: Kewen and Lauren Ridlock, that shit is so spicy and
Speaker 3: fiery and fun to see, like a death super hair
Speaker 3: out with how kind of cocky boyfriend. So if we're
Speaker 3: on a rewatch thing and you just want to see
Speaker 3: the best moments for a channels, you too, can't.
Speaker 2: Use your foss forwards.
Speaker 1: Amazing Oh Disney plus wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, So Aaron, this is really interesting what I'm
Speaker 4: hearing is And I don't know if this makes an
Speaker 4: argument for you, but both of these can be watched
Speaker 4: as second screen entertainment, which does have its values.
Speaker 5: It listens.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I want to be on my phone and passively
Speaker 4: watching a TV show. But what I'm listening to the
Speaker 4: arguments for why you should we watch this? How does
Speaker 4: this a docs a teal for it is as it's
Speaker 4: not as important? How do you lookcause you said you
Speaker 4: said you would prefer your rewatches to be second screen entertainment.
Speaker 1: You know what? I think that because they both argued
Speaker 1: from the same point. I'm not going to dock either
Speaker 1: of them for that, because both of them said, this
Speaker 1: is something where we can selectively see moments of the
Speaker 1: movie or the show that we really enjoyed, and they
Speaker 1: both brought up particularly memorable scenes, at least for me,
Speaker 1: I love the Chinese food restaurant scene and Defenders, I
Speaker 1: love the meal scene at Theena and Gilgamesh's in eternals
Speaker 1: with Kingo and his cameraman hanging out there. Both are
Speaker 1: great scenes. So I will happily accept both of them
Speaker 1: pitching their rewatched property as something that I will not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent two eyes be rewatching the entire time.
Speaker 1: So let's go to our closing statements. Rosie, you introed first,
Speaker 1: so I think Jason does his closing statement first. So Jason,
Speaker 1: you have one minute on the clock whenever you're ready.
Speaker 2: As we were recording this, the new Thunderbolt trailer has
Speaker 2: recently dropped, and in it, Yolena says of this new team,
Speaker 2: none of us can fly. None of us are heroes.
Speaker 2: We just kick and punch. The Defenders did it first,
Speaker 2: and in The Defenders a show that it is admittedly imperfect,
Speaker 2: the things that work work so well that when you
Speaker 2: rewatch this show, you will be saying to yourself, I
Speaker 2: can't wait for them to retry that idea in something else.
Speaker 2: Street Level is something that Marvel doesn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of content about right now, but they have a vast
Speaker 2: history of it in their comics. If they can apply
Speaker 2: some of the good stuff from Defenders, which is amazing,
Speaker 2: the fights, the chemistry, et cetera to their new stuff,
Speaker 2: you're gonna see something wonderful and you receee it. In
Speaker 2: Defenders first.
Speaker 5: Rosie final statement, I.
Speaker 3: Think I have pretty much exhausted my love for the
Speaker 3: Eternals throughout the years on this podcast and in this argument,
Speaker 3: I have highlighted the moments, so I'm gonna say, look,
Speaker 3: you know what the Etunnals has that none of the
Speaker 3: other movies have it has that sex scene and Chloe
Speaker 3: Shao shoots that sex scene where you can see Richard
Speaker 3: Madden and his hips moving like you can feel the
Speaker 3: impact of the stroke.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna get that in an.
Speaker 2: MCU movie ever again.
Speaker 1: That shit is crazy. We say that in the cinema
Speaker 1: and you could see it and.
Speaker 7: We were like, oh my god, this is happening.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, look, you don't want to watch that titles,
Speaker 1: that's your loss.
Speaker 2: I love this movie.
Speaker 7: I'm wearing a titles t shot, but you are never
Speaker 7: gonna get an our house sex scene like that in
Speaker 7: an MCU movie ever again. And even in the Defenders
Speaker 7: and Indesica journs, that's a much more dynamic action pack,
Speaker 7: like fucking this is like I loved you for a
Speaker 7: thousand years. Feel like.
Speaker 4: Wow, I thought Jason had slam dunked it in his
Speaker 4: final statement and then here emerges Rosie, which stroke game
Speaker 4: so good you could feel it.
Speaker 5: I was not the good.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to ads real quick. We will be
Speaker 1: right back with our judges deliberation. All right, Joelle, So
Speaker 1: we've heard the closing arguments, we've heard the answers, to
Speaker 1: our questions, and we've heard their opening statements. How are
Speaker 1: you feeling right now? Which of these two things are
Speaker 1: you most likely to go rewatch this evening?
Speaker 4: I will tell you at the start of this it
Speaker 4: was gonna be like I was like, well, Defenders is
Speaker 4: what I would put in. I'm not a fan of
Speaker 4: the eternals. I see and appreciate what Chloe was trying
Speaker 4: to do. There are moments that are fun to tune
Speaker 4: into for me, but overall not about it. But Rosie
Speaker 4: argued really well, and now I'm like, maybe what did
Speaker 4: I miss? Which I think is really the calling for
Speaker 4: a rewatch? Right You're either rewatching something because you love
Speaker 4: it and you want to re experience it, or because
Speaker 4: you may have missed something on the first screening and
Speaker 4: you want to make sure that you fully understand and
Speaker 4: appreciate the vision that's been laid out for you.
Speaker 5: I'm swaying a little bit. Where are you at, Aaron?
Speaker 1: So I do want to ask you said, Rosie kind
Speaker 1: of changed your mind? Was that your stance before the
Speaker 1: talk of Richard Madden having sex or was that solely
Speaker 1: swayed by that one thirty second bit of the closing statement.
Speaker 4: I will say the reevaluate Disney sexteen was really it's
Speaker 4: a draw. But honestly it's her love of Gilgamesh that
Speaker 4: began to sway me, because that's a character you can
Speaker 4: really love so cute in the movie, you're just like wow, uh.
Speaker 4: And I think Anchiley Ujulie is probably one of the
Speaker 4: most compelling elements of this film, and so to reconsider
Speaker 4: that relationship, I was like, maybe that would be I
Speaker 4: will also say giant statue in the ocean finally coming out,
Speaker 4: you know it's hitting. But then oh, but then Jason
Speaker 4: was like, you know, they're about to redo Defenders with thunderbolts,
Speaker 4: thank you, And I was like, damn, that's a really
Speaker 4: good point too, a thing we've been missing street level.
Speaker 5: How about you? Where have you been swayed? Pulled? One way?
Speaker 1: Do you have a So I have not rewatched either
Speaker 1: of these recently, so I am I am due for
Speaker 1: a rewatch of both. I think that when I came
Speaker 1: into this, I was reminding myself what each of these
Speaker 1: properties was, and I will admit I was nervous about
Speaker 1: the idea of Eternals is a big, big movie that
Speaker 1: already exists within a very large universe and attempts to
Speaker 1: make it even larger within the post credits scene, which
Speaker 1: has me nervous because a lot of things this is
Speaker 1: an era right new characters, This is an era of
Speaker 1: Marvel stories where Marvel wanted to have as many side
Speaker 1: tie ins as possible that now are not really doing
Speaker 1: anything coming to Fruition, which is good or bad. But
Speaker 1: I did like Rosie's argument that it's cool to see
Speaker 1: Harry Styles walk out in this outfit, whether or not
Speaker 1: it's ever gonna be anything, and like that's just a
Speaker 1: fun thing. And I will say in Rosie's favor, Barry
Speaker 1: Cue again is my favorite part of that movie, I think,
Speaker 1: and Rosie barely even mentioned him, which is a pretty
Speaker 1: strong argument. That being said for the Defenders. On Jason's side,
Speaker 1: Matt and Jessica are my favorite parts of that as
Speaker 1: well as Electra and Jason talked about how great all
Speaker 1: of them looks and the fight scenes, and again, there's
Speaker 1: so many things that I love about the Jessica Jones
Speaker 1: show and the Daredevil show that really are just amped up,
Speaker 1: and they're in Defenders. We all talk about how much
Speaker 1: we love Avengers those movies because it's so fun to
Speaker 1: see a team up of characters we already know and
Speaker 1: care about, So we have to make a choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, well.
Speaker 4: I think it's a three two one. We just have
Speaker 4: to speak it from the heart.
Speaker 5: I have to just go.
Speaker 1: Internet. Lag be damned.
Speaker 5: Here we go three two one.
Speaker 1: Scandalous.
Speaker 3: It's a tie, baby, it's a tie.
Speaker 1: But we can't truly have a tie. So we are
Speaker 1: going to bring in our special guest judge as himself,
Speaker 1: the Dune Weaver. I don't know what the right term
Speaker 1: would be. Superior, mother, superior.
Speaker 5: On the side, help us break this tie? Where who?
Speaker 5: Who should we want to watch? What should we watch?
Speaker 8: I have been listening on the side, and honestly, hats
Speaker 8: off to both panelists. I think both of you made
Speaker 8: excellent arguments. I did not watch many of the Defender
Speaker 8: shows and I did not watch Defenders, and I've only
Speaker 8: seen Eternals once, and I came into today's arguments kind
Speaker 8: of leaning Rosie. In fact, I quite blatantly told Rosie
Speaker 8: before this recording that I love Eternals almost as much
Speaker 8: as she did. So very clear, however, the basis of
Speaker 8: both arguments appeared to be second screen watching, and if
Speaker 8: that's the case Eternals, it's not a movie I want
Speaker 8: to be watching with my phone or my steam deck
Speaker 8: or whatever also in front of me. I want to
Speaker 8: be locked into Eternals to fully appreciate it. So I'm
Speaker 8: going to go Defenders.
Speaker 7: Wow where where you know what.
Speaker 3: I appreciate not only the chance to once again argue
Speaker 3: my love for the Eternals, but also the spectacular judging
Speaker 3: panel we have and of course, as always my co
Speaker 3: host and.
Speaker 1: We're not of this debate, Jason.
Speaker 2: It feels wonderful. And I'll tell you this, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go directly from this Internet meeting to my Disney
Speaker 2: Plus platform where I'm going to watch Richard Matten. Yes,
Speaker 2: pump that thing, don't watch it. It's so I'm gonna
Speaker 2: see was that hotter than I remember? Hold on a second,
Speaker 2: And that's because it was.
Speaker 5: That's the problem.
Speaker 2: I think it's just too intense, like it feels. Really
Speaker 2: is that intense? Is that the intense penetration of Richard
Speaker 2: Madden in the Eternals that I'm watching? And did I
Speaker 2: miss that? The first time I want to watch that
Speaker 2: cosmic penetration happens. And that's because of the argument that
Speaker 2: you made today, Rose.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm so honest.
Speaker 3: If that is my legacy in this world and in
Speaker 3: this fun new segment, then I will be on it.
Speaker 3: Everybody go watch that we'd seen.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to your wrong friend
Speaker 1: with X ray vision. I have been Finn Jones's agent
Speaker 1: Aaron Kaufman, and.
Speaker 3: I have been apparently the promoter of the sex scene
Speaker 3: in a Tunnels. So please Disney Plus give me that
Speaker 3: jump you want to talk sex scenes in a Tunnels,
Speaker 3: I'm here for it. The official etinal sex scene Poke
Speaker 3: Coast coming soon from my computer.
Speaker 1: Limited run. Not a full series though, yeah yeah, mini
Speaker 1: series three, episodes three.
Speaker 2: Here's my Here is how Iron Fist could have worked.
Speaker 2: Danny Rand becomes Iron Fist and central to the story
Speaker 2: as he merges and becomes aware of all the other
Speaker 2: iron Fists that have come before him throughout time, his
Speaker 2: inadequacy to the role, and you make the emotional engine
Speaker 2: of that show, Danny Rand trying to process the fact
Speaker 2: that he is a white iron Fist, and then at
Speaker 2: the end of the series he dies and an Asian
Speaker 2: iron Fist takes over. Jessica Henwick, Colleen Wing, perfect, Jason,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 5: Number one call him. That's it's time.
Speaker 4: I'm stunning. I have Jel Monique, this was amazing. Let
Speaker 4: us know how you guys felt about your wrong friend.
Speaker 4: What else should we debate? Send it in, let us know.
Speaker 5: And we'll see you guys next week.
Speaker 2: Bye bye X ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps
Speaker 2: Young and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.
Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent, Dian Jonathan and Fay Wax.
Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and
Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator.