WEBVTT - Ep. 081: Live from Bozeman 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.720 This is a me eater podcast coming in you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.599 severely bitten and in my case underwear lissen don't to 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:40.640 eat podcast. You can't predict anything. It's it's it's thank 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.560 you for that. That's all I really wanted to do tonight, 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.239 So thank you. I appreciate it. It's super dark. But 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:50.480 where's a dude named Justin Grimes? He's not his honeymoon 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.240 They yeah, like they made this part of the honeymoon 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.920 trip man, which is really flattering something. We're glad you're here. Um, 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.000 when I when I get uh, when I give wedding 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.400 but marriage vice, don't ever ask, but I do give it. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:15.720 And I was like, say, read like you're not gonna 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.080 understand that you do it, But read the works as 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.800 you think about your married life, your married life, Read 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:25.720 the works of Cormick McCarthy and looking there for the 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:30.679 strict moral code that governs the world of Cormick McCarthy, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.480 because you'll find that the people that he's most severe 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:40.399 with are people who make a decision to do something 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.479 and then later try to live a life in which 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.000 they hadn't made that decision. If you're just flat out evil, 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.920 Cormick McCarthy doesn't hurt you. He hurts people who who 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:58.080 dabble in evilness, So bear that in mind. Um, but 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:03.680 Bozeman man, like, yeah, I heard everybody yelling earlier with 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.800 from Montana like I live in never like constant jealousy 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:13.040 of Montana residents. Um, you know I lived your long time. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.360 It's like I miss it. I love it. I learned 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.959 a thing from my two year old recently that when 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.400 my twyar olds jealous of something, he just destroys it. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:27.799 So if his sister draws a cool picture and everybody's like, oh, Rosemary, 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:33.000 it's amazing, he just is like no, And um, so 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.440 I kind of want now. I almost like Montana to 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:40.359 go to ship because like the way more people move 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.040 here to just go to ship and then I wouldn't 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.560 have to like come here and be so bummed out 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.480 all the time. That's really heartbreaking for me to come here. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.360 They advertised Montana where I live in Seattle, they advertised Montana. 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.440 So like, when I'm driving around stuck in traffic jams, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.200 I gotta look at dudes in Montana, billboards of dudes 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.600 in Montana doing fun stuff. And it recently got better 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.160 because for some reason I got a guy up there 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:07.840 now paddle boarding and like, so I feel no jealousy, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.119 Like I feel like it's twenty years ago. If I 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:12.720 if you've had a dude over your house and you 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.600 live on a lake and you're like, hey man, you 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.119 can take the kayak all you take the canoe out 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.440 bro um, you can take this surfboard. I could like 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:25.000 duct tape a stick onto a paddle But it's like, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.000 it's like the Works. It's like Harry Potter books where 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.119 in a vacuum, you know, if you'd set humanity back 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:37.600 and let it go again, uh, we wouldn't be paddle boarding. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.160 It's like like but but if you set the clock 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.360 back of humanity a million years and like let it 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.200 go again, I would like to do that ten times 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.920 and see which things we stick with in which we don't. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.840 And I'm damn sure. Like a person is gonna see 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.360 a horned animal walk by and he's like, I'm gonna 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.560 find a way to run a projectile through that. Things 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.080 ribs like a couple of just behind the shoulder blade. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.200 It's like that again and again and again will emerge. 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.000 But um, I don't mean a hack on paddle board 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.760 it's just like seeing that sign really is I just 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:15.480 feel it's not a legitimate pastime man um moving like 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.120 moving to Bozeman though, or like like there's a long 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.520 history of moving to Bozeman, and and it's like when 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.960 I think about, oh I should move back here, you know, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.400 your your heads overwhelmed with all the things that could 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.000 go right and the things that could go wrong. UH. 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.520 Years ago, me and Matt here we uh I went 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:39.040 to check out sixty six miles east of here. Basically 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.560 the highway UH runs over a grave site sixty six 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.200 miles east of here, and it's like they just there's 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:47.919 a bunch of bodies buried in the grave, and they 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.000 piled some rocks on it. And later like the highway 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.000 kind of runs right along. It's between the highway and 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.240 the railroad. So every time you go by, you looking 0:04:55.320 --> 0:05:00.160 and see this grave and this guy. It was three 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.440 hundred and fifty years ago and three hundred and three 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.640 or a hundred fifty years ago and three hundred and 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:11.400 sixty one days, I think. Ago, there's this guy who 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.760 is in Illinois and his two daughters and his wife 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.279 carried off by pneumonia, and he's got one boy left. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.080 This guy's by the last name of Thomas. He's got 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.599 a boy named Charlie, so the only thing he's got left, 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.000 and he's got family in Bozeman. So in eight sixty 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:27.880 six is dude packs up and he's gonna move out 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.359 to Bozeman, make the big jump, and he follows the 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.040 or he goes to St. Louis and follows the Oregon Trail, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.320 and like he's the Oregon Trail going along in southern 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.359 Wyoming along the Platte, and then he jumps off and 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.640 he's gonna go and follow the Bozeman Trail. And at 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.960 that time the Bozeman Trail jumped off the Platte and 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.120 went up the east flank of the Big Horns and 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.120 hooked around to the north of the Big Horns. So 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.000 this guy is going along and he passes what the 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.920 what will be in a few months after his passing 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:03.040 the Fetterman Fight, where seventies some soldiers get massacred by 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.040 Sioux warriors. And he goes a little further and passes 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.560 the Little Big Horn Battlefield, where in ten years a 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.480 couple of hundred soldiers will get massacred by Sue and 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:17.880 Cheyenne warriors. And he's traveled Jim Bridger and they and 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.039 they come across a grave site where they just buried 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.080 some other guys and he's all been out of shape. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:24.640 He's got a diary and he writes about how the 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.320 wolves that dug them up and toward the rib me 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.960 off him. And there's another grave site and the wolves 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.799 that toward their face off them, and he starts painting 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.280 this like awful picture of moving to Bozeman. Eventually a 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.599 wagon breaks down and he leaves Bridger behind. And this 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.320 guy's a minister, and he's thinking to himself that I'm 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.839 gonna put my faith in God and travel without arms, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.200 because now that we're west of the mouth of the 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.560 Big Horn, we're in Crol country and everyone knows you're 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.719 safe from Curl country. So he pushes on by himself 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.640 and they get over. Uh, like I said, sixty six 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.400 miles here a little bit outside of Columbus, and it's 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:07.760 him and his boy and a wagon driver named Joel Schultz. Uh. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.480 They get attacked. The next day they find the dad. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.840 He's got thirteen arrows stuck in him and he's scalped 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.280 and he's parked by the rear tire of his wagon. 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.600 His little boy's got three arrows and he's scalped by 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.960 the front tire of the wagon. And Joe Schultz, the 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.200 wagon drivers down by the river. He's got a dozen 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.320 arrows in him and he had two cutthroats. Two cutthroat 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.480 trouts they found the next day. So he was one 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:39.280 trout over his bag limit. And I always return like 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.920 approaching I always like passed that gravesite when approaching this area, 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:44.680 and I always think of that. But then, like if 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.240 you juxtapose that with my brother Matt, wasn't there a 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:54.640 bit and there were The Sun has a um diary, 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.920 and Sad has a diary. The dad has a diary, 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:01.360 and in there it says something like, yeah, Jim Bridger 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.200 told me not to go this way, but he's full 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.440 of ship or something like that. That's that's rumored. He 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.960 had a diary. When he crossed Bridger Creek, he wrote 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.360 in his diary that we lost our coffee pot. The 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.560 crazy thing is the last thing Thomas wrote in his diary. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.600 The night before he died. He wrote in his diary, 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:24.000 we broke our champagne bottle. People have always wondered if 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.480 it meant that he was so close to Bozeman, did 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:32.319 we we're celebrating prematurely? Or that like losing his coffee 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.720 pot when he crossed Bridger Creek he busted the champagne bottle. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.520 So there's like that version of moving to Bozeman which 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.199 sticks in my mind. But then you have like Matt, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.120 Matt moves to Bozeman, earns himself a PhD. He points 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:48.800 out that it was his second one because he already 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:55.800 had a pretty huge and then still do then Mary's 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.960 Mary's a girl of the ranch. So does that version 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:05.120 move into Bozeman? Um? I think about that. I do 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:09.280 think about this all the time. So with that preamble, 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.959 we're gonna roll through some vexing questions. And many of 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.520 these questions have come from folks in the audience tonight. 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.160 Some of them are gonna be on the easy end 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:27.560 of things, such as the guy was wondering, were you 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:35.400 to encounterate? He calls it a legitimate sasquatch. Were you 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:42.520 to encounter inmate sasquatsh like not you know, the fuzzy one, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.160 not like an out of focused sasquash, but a legitimate fasquat. 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.120 And uh. The comedian Mitch Hedburg he postulates the sasquatch 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.600 Bigfoot is just blurry and you can't get a good 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:59.360 picture of him. But if you're gonna do it, he's like, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.880 what did he's take a timber buck? Would you take 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:08.439 a crack? Like? He adds to it, he adds the questions. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.120 The guy with the question asks some color to where 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.320 he's like, you know, no one's gonna believe you. So 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.480 here you are in this situation where you're just gonna 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:19.119 be the come of the laughing stock? Would you kill Bigfoot? 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:27.360 Are you asking? Are you looking at Yeah, no, don't. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.120 I don't have an interesting answer that question is no way. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.480 I'm just gonna shoot some two legged thing that's walking around. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.240 Like That's where I'm at on it. How do you know? 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.640 How do It's like there's yeah, there's no tag system. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.520 I would just like let it walk. I would. I 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:47.000 would for legal reasons. No, it's not like a reward 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.840 punishment thing. It's just like, hey, I've never seen one 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.920 of them before. Let's make it be dead. Ye, Like 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.200 guys are going to African safaris, like, so that's what 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:06.240 that looks like. The folks that mistake or these Let's 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.079 say you go on a hunt, right, You've never been 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.680 in Bearer country ever, and you go on a hunt 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:15.200 in the bitter at range and the outfitter says, shoot 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:20.200 any bury see and that hunter she would say, grizzly bear. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.240 I hate that. You gotta know what you're shooting at. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.839 So for that reason, no, I like, I have never 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.800 seen that. I have no idea what it is. I'm 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:33.480 not going to pull the trigger for the you can't 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:40.920 judge the trophy quality on it, no established scories. Yeah, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.480 it might change after I come out with my story, 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.800 but I would just let it pass and then be 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:51.040 when the sons of bitches believe me, I'm going back. Yeah, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.520 but I wouldn't know. I feel like I'm trustworthy enough. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.760 Would it be at least a small contingent of people 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.199 that would trust me and we would It would regenerate 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.319 at least for another fifty years. Would be a strong, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.040 you know, bigfoot community. No, I would not. I would 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.920 always think less of you. I would like I would 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.480 always I would always question your judgment. I would always 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.200 think a little bit less of you. I like when 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.480 I get into are there bigfoot arguments? Um? The thing 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.240 that I found that I like to use, I don't 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.199 know if it's really that effective. Is They bring up 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.040 that this is an argument that serious people have anymore. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:30.800 Do you ever like turn on cable television? Many build No, 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.760 I will indulge in for Max. It's it's interesting. It's 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.000 a thing I try out when arguing with people about 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.360 the plausibility Bigfoot. Is like I like to go to 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:46.840 when Florida was down to forty some panthers, that multiple 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.720 panthers every year getting hit on the road, and look 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.840 at all their like really limited populations of animals, and 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.920 then how many of them turn up dead on the road. 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:59.600 And then to bring up the idea that that the 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.000 entire fire history of automobile travel, we haven't hit one 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:10.680 yet like that. It's just like if you got six 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.560 of something one, I'm gonna get hit by a car. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:19.040 And all other populations of animals, you know, well, maybe 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:24.480 they're just super smart. It could be Okay. Here's another 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.480 one that came in. This is this is like I 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.679 actually want to kind of hire this guy. There is 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.760 a guy named Luke Ryan. I want to hire as 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.000 like a resident company philosopher. Luke Ryan has this He's 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:37.560 got a lot of things. He comes up and This 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:39.520 is when he comes up. Have you guys been tracking 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.680 about the lone Star tick? Okay, there's a tick, lone 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.559 Star tick. It's common in Texas. This tick bites you, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.960 and when it bites you, you it's like when you 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:54.079 get bit by Uh, a chicken might carry a bacterial 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.400 infection that gives you lyme disease. This tick carries an 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.520 infection that winds up and this legit. I wouldn't read 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.720 about this. It winds up having it winds up that 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.680 you become allergic to red meat. It's an infection that 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.280 carries with it a red meat allergy. You become allergic 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.840 to red meat. You can become allergic to dairy. So 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.600 he's wondering, were this to happen to you, how would 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.600 your relationship to hunting change? Like would you keep hunting? 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:26.400 I hate this question. It's kind of like yeah, it's 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.160 like it's like a question that comes up. But I 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:29.880 just like this because it has like a spin on 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:34.680 like like how wet are you? You know? Because he 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.320 like he points out you could go and uh still 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.440 hunt and feed it to your kids food banks, but 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.480 you can't eat it. Yeah, I wouldn't. I just that 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.760 would that would take it out of it. I mean 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:54.320 the just yeah, this is it would lose its mystique 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.240 at that point. So last year my dad called up. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.840 He said, hey, I would love it if you could 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.280 get me an elk this year. So for the first 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.320 time in a long long time, I shot to elk 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:13.600 last year. But yeah, I don't know if the desire 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.479 I wouldn't have the you know, hungry hunter hunts past. Right, Yeah, 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:22.520 that's a tough one. What about Well he did add 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.080 in that you could you know, you would turn into 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.000 the world's best water fowler and upen game hunters. Right, 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:30.280 That's what I was gonna say. I would. I would, 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.120 Oh yeah, no, he gets rich. Yeah, he thinks about 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:41.320 this stuff. What's it's just red meat from big gaming, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.840 red meat and dairy. You can still fish, you can 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:50.280 still Crane's geese ducks. Those are pretty dark. I would 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.080 definitely do it because I've off a point out. It's 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.320 like if it wasn't for if it didn't get food 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.680 and it wasn't fun. If you drop either those things out, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.680 either those two things out, I'm done. All right, this 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.000 ceases to be fun and it ceases they old food. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:13.680 I'm paddle boarding probably. Well, you're honest. You and I 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:18.720 were just talking the you know, purely getting groceries. Yeah, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.040 you know what, there's I have spots where it's like, 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.000 all right, didn't get anything. I don't call it hunting 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:31.200 because I know for certainty I'm going to be coming 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:36.760 home with something. Yeah, the grocery get Yeah, it's total groceries. Yeah, 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:42.960 and I wouldn't say yeah, I don't want to chalk 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.920 that up. It's like, yeah, super fun outing. It's like, boy, 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.920 I'm gonna go take an afternoon off and go get 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:54.360 a white tail though. But it's fun. Yeah, there's still 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.560 have some fun. Yeah, for sure, more fun than going 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.560 to Albertson's. It'd be hard to HiPE for me to hypothesize. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.800 I think I'd have to go through the process and 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.280 you know, be at home but right all up, wrap 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.560 it all up, and then all of a sudden, be 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.000 later in the fall or that winner not eating it, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.280 and then see how I felt about it. All right, 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.800 how about this one? This is another Luke Ryan Luke 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:28.200 Ryan's wondered nous You're okay, it's such a complicated two 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.600 part question. And then Yanni like sequestered some of the 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.000 information that I can from the cooking side of things. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.560 How many times do you try to make some off 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.040 cut taste amazing? I feel like I would have a 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:48.359 horrible gastro intestinal life for a long time. Yeah, because 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.680 I just keep trying. Oh you'll see when it wore off. Yeah, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.080 well maybe if I do this. I thought about it. 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.240 I worked for many an outfitter in Colorado, more than one, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.440 So you can say all that information. Okay, Now I 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.800 have permission to say something I was earlier forbidden from saying. 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.359 But I got it so worked out now that I 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.000 don't need to say. It would be this. A guy's 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.640 wondering this. Luke Ryan puts this out there. You go 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:18.920 on a guided trip. Okay, you're going to guide a trip, 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.879 and then you're thinking yourself, uh, okay, now what I'm 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.959 gonna do. It's just come back and hunt this exact 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:31.400 same spot. Now that I know what's up, So your 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.359 book a trip, the guy takes you out, it's like, 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.920 this is my great secret spot, and do the thing 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.399 and the next year, like, see you next year. But 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:47.920 as an equal, is that immoral? I say yes? Well 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.760 what like? So all the yeses go like yeah. In 0:18:51.800 --> 0:19:02.120 the audience, that was the nose. I have to say yes, 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.440 because you came out of the guiding industry. Well, I 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.600 don't think that's the real reason why. I think I'm 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:15.680 saying yes, immoral. Yes, I've seen it firsthand, and yeah, 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.919 I mean it's no different than walking in on the 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:23.320 last final of the year and I grabbed Stephen Ronella's 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.880 final paper off the desk, scratch his name out, put 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.400 my name, Maa. You did all the work, you did 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.760 all the study, and you filled out the test. I 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.800 just put my name on it. Yeah, I want to 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.520 weigh and I say no. I say no. I say 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.119 it's not immoral, not immoral. You paid the guy, you 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:49.040 know what, that's true. That is a good point. Now, 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:50.760 if it's your buddy and he takes you to your 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:55.920 spot his spot, that's an entirely different I don't even 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.760 need to ask that question. That is so immoral that 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.879 I don't need that. Yeah, it goes without saying to 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.520 the buddy, you'd never do that to a buddy. Where 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:10.560 is the difference you paid them? I think you could 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:18.840 come up with a prostitution analogy here. So now, okay, okay, 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.880 just to provide a little context here, there's a guy 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:27.320 that wrecked somehow he realizes where Yeah, a place of 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:33.080 Janice used to guide. Can I talk about this? And no, 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.320 I realized that all that. I realized that all the 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.840 outits that worked for all had a similar setup where 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.720 we sort of drove through some private property, camps on 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.080 private property, lodged on private property, and then went to 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.120 hunted national forest. The three ouferers that I worked for, 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.520 and again people can just do as much research as 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.359 they want, they all had a very similar setup. So 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.639 you know exactly where this guy was talking about. You know, 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.600 it would be hard to figure out. You have to 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.000 go hunt three different spots that are you know, a 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.159 hundred square miles each and then go, yeah, I know 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.640 we were talking about But anyways, Yeah, so he's got 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.359 But I think how his question was his question makes 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:11.720 it less morally, makes it more that more that it's 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.520 okay to do this. Yeah, because he wants it right, 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.760 he wants that answer. No, he here's the deal. That's 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:19.040 why I don't want to get into it. He's got 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:24.920 body working at this outfitter. So my okay, I'll tell 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.280 his question and then I'll give him my a point. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.160 He's got buddy's working at this outfitter that have obviously 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:35.320 opened their mouths and talked about the setup of this location, right, 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.359 so they've gotten this inside information. Now he's asking if 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.920 it's morally okay to use that information to go behind 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.040 these private ranches and basically going hunt these spots that 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.359 these guys are So there's other ways to get in 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:49.879 there that don't involve going through the private property totally. 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.159 And what he's saying is so he's saying that his 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.439 buddy's screwed up and they lost their tight lippedness and 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:00.359 they're like, well, wherever really killing these elk is on 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:03.919 national forest above the ranch that we're based out of. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.720 So he says, I'll see you up there. They and 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:11.720 then you take that as a transgression, transgression against your outfitter, 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.200 I think, just against your but well, one of the 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.439 guys messed up for you know, flapping their gums and 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:22.199 then too. Yeah, it's like, give them a little respect 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.160 if they told you about that spot. It's like where 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.640 they're working, don't go, don't go. How did everybody say 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.000 the other week pissing the pissing the cathedral or no 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:38.480 baptismal fountains in the baptismal pomp um. So what if 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.680 I mean, look at all the things. If you're going 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:47.800 with anybody, your buddy outfitter guide, whoever, if they can't 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:52.760 blend them all together, absolutely don't blend. The thing is, 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:56.000 if you are going with somebody who has a wealth 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.719 of knowledge about the area, about the animals, aren't you 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:05.240 take enough away without having to go to the exact spot. 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.240 I'm learning so much when I got out with you, 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.680 like this is the way Steven Renelant, I come away 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.400 with that? Do I have to go in there and 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:19.040 you know, kick you out of your spot too? But here, No, 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:24.320 because here's the thing, he's making a claim of ownership. 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:29.199 You're sort of making a claim of ownership that only 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:35.680 takes away your right to access. So you're saying, like, sure, 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.000 anyone else is welcome to go here, the whole sixty 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:43.240 million Americans are welcome to go here, but you can't 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.520 because of how this piece of information came to you. 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:49.399 So I think it winds up being like a little 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.960 bit like you're sort of getting screwed out of a 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.280 god given right because of the way that a piece 0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:00.800 of information flowed. It's a business train, it's a business transaction. 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.480 You gave the guy money to take you to a 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.640 hunting spot. I mean, if if you, if you, if 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.600 the if the outfitter didn't want you to go in there, 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.480 go in there. It should be part of the contract 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:14.240 or something. Yeah, moving on, But no, no, no, because 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.000 it brings up the point of going into hunting spots 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.720 that you've never been to you with your body, and 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:21.760 if you're the kind of guy that might follow up 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:23.719 with a hunt of your own in that same spot, 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.480 you might want to, you know, bring that up to 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:27.159 your buddy's taking you into that spot. Well, if I 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.520 ever hired an outfit or would be because I could 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.439 go into the spot, he shoulder. I've done that on 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.120 family vacations. I've done that. We go down somewhere, it's 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:37.199 hard to figure the fishing out. Yeah, go out like 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.199 hire something with the PONNDA, go out and fish for 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:44.800 two hours, come back and be like, resume business like more. 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:46.400 On the way back, you're like, hey, you know where 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:50.040