Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
Speaker 1: of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.
Speaker 1: Let's get it all. How's it going to everybody? Brian
Speaker 1: Alvarez here on or Wrestling Observer Live. We are here
Speaker 1: every day Monday through Friday Noopsific three Eastern, Sunday three
Speaker 1: Pacific sixth Eastern. Well, it's Wednesday in the program, you
Speaker 1: know that means we have got a w Beach Break
Speaker 1: come up here tonight, and uh, it's freaking cold. It's
Speaker 1: a fifteen degrees for real. At the side of Beach
Speaker 1: Break tonight, I think it is fifteen degrees. So anyway,
Speaker 1: happy Beach Break day, everybody. It's about thirty seven here,
Speaker 1: so I'm already miserable as I'm in a sweatshirt. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Beach Break is tonight. We've got a full line up
Speaker 1: for the show. They've added some things including Believe It
Speaker 1: or Not, Ward Low and MGF, we're gonna be on
Speaker 1: the show Ward Love course a he's a hometown hero
Speaker 1: to these fans in Cleveland, Ohio. So I'll give you
Speaker 1: the lineup for Beach Break tonight. I watched the n
Speaker 1: x T two point oshow last night. I can tell
Speaker 1: you about that and over and loves the n x
Speaker 1: T report. We are raw ratings from Monday Raw ratings
Speaker 1: Newsworthy today. Since it was not head to head with
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football, no football, how did the show do
Speaker 1: with no football competition? Did explode in viewership? Was it
Speaker 1: up a little? Was it even or was it down?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you here today. N XT has got a
Speaker 1: television show coming up, Ring of Honors, going to launch
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame. Obviously Jones is out of action.
Speaker 1: Randy Orton talks about the fiend. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff to get into here today. I also have
Speaker 1: polls more polls up for you on my Twitter at
Speaker 1: Brian Alvarez because we had a discussion last night about
Speaker 1: Reno Riggins and then today I learned, Oh, Brian, someone
Speaker 1: tells me you're the only one that ever thought of that, ever,
Speaker 1: that Reno Riggins was a gambling reference. Well, anyway, I
Speaker 1: put a poll up. You guys can vote Reno Riggins
Speaker 1: gambling cheat reference or a random name. And then, uh,
Speaker 1: just to test the i Q of my followers, I
Speaker 1: r s tax man, gimmick or random initials and just incredible,
Speaker 1: just incredible? Or what? Go vote back in a moment
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Speaker 1: Joining us today. Yes, we'll turn that music off, Producer.
Speaker 1: Here's this no down by the way, I felt like
Speaker 1: Mike's got a buzz. I apologize. Everybody will fix it
Speaker 1: after the break, but I'll talk about the important thing here.
Speaker 1: Do you're vote in this pole? No? What pole? Reno Riggins?
Speaker 1: What about Reno Reggins? Gambling reference or random last name
Speaker 1: for a guy who's randomly named Reno. I thought there
Speaker 1: was kind of a gambling reference because at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like naming somebody Vegas. You know there's
Speaker 1: a there's a tie in Reno Vegas. Why do we
Speaker 1: call him Vinny Vegas? Just chose a last name random Vegas. No,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on this, Yeah, I am too, well,
Speaker 1: I was. I listen. I did a poll, and U
Speaker 1: of the listeners thought it was just completely random, like
Speaker 1: I would even name Reno Riggins has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with with cheating and gambling. The they thought he was
Speaker 1: related to John Riggins the Hall of Fame NFL running
Speaker 1: back Well, uh I I also asked about I R
Speaker 1: S and just incredible, and uh to my Twitter followers
Speaker 1: were like, what just incredible? Just incredible? You kidding me?
Speaker 1: And uh we also four pcent that believed that I
Speaker 1: R S was just random initials for a guy that
Speaker 1: wore a suit and and told you to pay your taxes.
Speaker 1: May not be best poll here to do on Twitter,
Speaker 1: but you got forty minutes left. So if you want
Speaker 1: to go up there and vote and skew the results,
Speaker 1: oh you tax cheats out there, go for it. Are
Speaker 1: you going to have multiple polls today? I don't really
Speaker 1: don't need more than one poll more than one polls,
Speaker 1: nothing but a problem. All right, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: news here today. So I just want to start with
Speaker 1: this just because it's, uh, what do you? What do you?
Speaker 1: What's the guy gonna say? Despite speculation from last year's
Speaker 1: rounds of cuts and both talent and front office staff,
Speaker 1: w w E president Nick Kahn so they are not
Speaker 1: in active conversations to sell the company, and a profile
Speaker 1: piece for Sports Business journal con said that while they
Speaker 1: have taken some calls from interested parties, they are not
Speaker 1: actively looking to sell. Con went into details as to
Speaker 1: why some of the major changes inside w w E
Speaker 1: were made, centering around his feeling that some lacked knowledge
Speaker 1: of media intricacies and didn't have the attitude that w
Speaker 1: w E is a global content company. Vince believe the
Speaker 1: w w E was at a place where it had
Speaker 1: earned a seat at the adult table, but others in
Speaker 1: the company didn't see it that way. Con told John
Speaker 1: orand this Con could write quite a book someday, You
Speaker 1: went on to say. For the company to be treated
Speaker 1: the way that Vince, Stephanie, Kevin Dunn and myself and
Speaker 1: others believed it should be treated in the community, you
Speaker 1: needed executives who reflected that, who had range, who could
Speaker 1: get people on the phone, and who could be taken
Speaker 1: seriously by their peers. Con did not address any of
Speaker 1: the talent layoffs, nor did he name specific executives or
Speaker 1: departments for who he was referring to. The article focused
Speaker 1: on w w e's deals with external partners like any
Speaker 1: Netflix and Blumhouse Media for various documentaries and series, in
Speaker 1: addition to the strategy of putting out their major live
Speaker 1: event schedule in advance. The strategy of putting out their
Speaker 1: major live events schedule in advance. What the move of
Speaker 1: some of those big shows to Saturdays, like this week's
Speaker 1: Royal Rumble was also cited. So they would have fired
Speaker 1: me because I advocate for Sundays. But any way, so
Speaker 1: you're telling me that there were executives that were against
Speaker 1: the strategy of putting out the major live events schedule
Speaker 1: in advance. Were the arguing, hey, let's just run a
Speaker 1: show and not tell anybody. We'll see if anybody shows up?
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? Surprise? Definitely? What anyway, point
Speaker 1: of all of this is. I've said for a while
Speaker 1: I and I may actually I said pretty much exactly
Speaker 1: what he's saying right here, which is they're not actively
Speaker 1: for sale. But I do believe that they are putting
Speaker 1: their ducks in a row in case the right offer
Speaker 1: someone calls. They say they're on the phone with people.
Speaker 1: Someone calls and goes, hey, we got thirty billion dollars
Speaker 1: you want to sell? They'll go yeah immediately. But is
Speaker 1: there an active talk right now? No? But man, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. If I were one of these,
Speaker 1: how many people was it eighty five? How many people
Speaker 1: have been fired in the last you know, eighteen months,
Speaker 1: it's like five. And that's like it's just like we're
Speaker 1: not even talking about people Like in the office. They
Speaker 1: probably fired well over a hundred people. But man if
Speaker 1: I were one of those people and I heard, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not actually looking to sell right now, I'd be
Speaker 1: mad because you know, at least if you're looking to sell,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I'm I don't like being fired,
Speaker 1: but at least you know they're trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: get their ducks in a row to sell this place.
Speaker 1: Now it's like, now, we just didn't like you. You
Speaker 1: were just useless. Anyway, That's what he said. I don't
Speaker 1: disagree with any of it, except I'm still confused about this. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, getting learnt some executives who were against the
Speaker 1: strategy of putting out their major life events schedule in advance.
Speaker 1: Haven't they done that for like years and years? I mean,
Speaker 1: we always knew when all of these big shows were
Speaker 1: coming and everything like that. And actually it's much weirder
Speaker 1: now because we've got a look at the calendar. What
Speaker 1: where's where's every w w E pay per view this year?
Speaker 1: Emanating from we don't even know we don't even know
Speaker 1: everywhere that they're emanating from. Like a several years ago,
Speaker 1: I knew where all these pay per views were coming
Speaker 1: from over the course of the year. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what he's talking about. But that just sounds like
Speaker 1: an excuse to me, because you don't know where you're
Speaker 1: gonna go and you're not sure what your future is
Speaker 1: getting to be. I mean, why would you not schedule
Speaker 1: out four months or six months or eight months or well? Like,
Speaker 1: what is the strategy on not letting the people know
Speaker 1: when your dates are going to be. You're the industry leader,
Speaker 1: you're the worldwide leader, You're the one who sets the tone.
Speaker 1: You're the one who gets to have the pick of
Speaker 1: a letter on your weekend, right, Like, what is that about?
Speaker 1: You know, it's very interesting to me because I don't
Speaker 1: think it matters whatsoever. If you had a product that
Speaker 1: was hot, you'd have these buildings in advance and we
Speaker 1: wouldn't even have any question about this. So I I
Speaker 1: don't see what the advantages of not announcing it other
Speaker 1: than you're unsure if your dates, you're worried about other competition,
Speaker 1: You're worried about other things. A little bit too much
Speaker 1: I would would assume that's just me. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: But the strategy here is exactly and how it how
Speaker 1: it actually benefits them MJF and Warlow hometown boy Warlow,
Speaker 1: it says here will be on Wednesday's Beach Break edition
Speaker 1: of Dynamite in Cleveland. Tony Conna Nelson News during his
Speaker 1: weekly appearance on Busted Open, saying that wherever CM Punk goes,
Speaker 1: both men seem to follow, and vice versa. Punk his
Speaker 1: schedule to speak on tonight's show as well. Punk has
Speaker 1: been angling for a match with MGF for months, with
Speaker 1: the ladder throwing obstacles in his way. Like Wardlow and
Speaker 1: Sean Spears, Undefeated, Punk picked up wins over both men
Speaker 1: in recent weeks, with Punk saying he will continue to
Speaker 1: derail mgf's title hopes as long as he refuses to
Speaker 1: face him. So tonight on the show, Adam Cole and
Speaker 1: Orange Cassidy in a lights out match. Can they do
Speaker 1: better than Solo? Sakoa and Boa? Last night on n
Speaker 1: x T, Cody Rhodes, Sammy Gavara TNT title Unification Ladder
Speaker 1: Match Jericho, say Tanna and Ortiz against Daniel Garcia and
Speaker 1: two point oh Red Velvet versus leyla Hirsch and his
Speaker 1: noted see Him Punk and Britt Baker all doing promos tonight.
Speaker 1: So it's a beach break in the freezing cold Cleveland, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Is Johnny Gargano gonna be there tonight? What do you
Speaker 1: think if I were him? I wouldn't show up in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's his hometown and everything, but
Speaker 1: I would be embarrassed because you know Cleveland and all.
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, it's burying the people of Cleveland
Speaker 1: for no good reason here the same way. M JF
Speaker 1: will do that tonight. Hopefully Wardlow turns on them. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't think about the Gargano aspect of it. I
Speaker 1: kind of forgot about it, really, But it would make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense now, wouldn't It's so they absolutely
Speaker 1: could do that. It would be interesting if he did
Speaker 1: come on board. You know, again, they are bringing a
Speaker 1: lot of people on it once here. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: It's interesting this, you know, recycling of of a w
Speaker 1: right now with the contracts coming from n XT in
Speaker 1: people's thirty days and things like that, whatever, their their
Speaker 1: issues are running out, and a lot of these names
Speaker 1: that have been on the roster now for two years
Speaker 1: coming do. It's just it's an interesting time right now
Speaker 1: to see what things are going to shake out as
Speaker 1: a at a moment. Observer Live again the show. Brian
Speaker 1: Elba is here Wrestling Observer Live. I'm mixing for VV
Speaker 1: also of a Wrestling Observer dot Com. It's sad about
Speaker 1: That's what I'm being weird. Yes you are. Let's see here. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at I just got this email. H Brandon.
Speaker 1: Thurston's got peaked minutes for episodes since in September nine
Speaker 1: for Dynamite, Ross McDon and Rampage. I gonna have to
Speaker 1: look at this. I see where m JF ranks on
Speaker 1: here because he likes to brag that he's the highest
Speaker 1: rated you know whatever on the thing of the jigger.
Speaker 1: So yeah, higher than Darby. M JF Yeah, bigger mover
Speaker 1: and shaker yeah, and fm JF, no joke is is
Speaker 1: maybe the biggest ratings mover. Well, I'm not by surprised
Speaker 1: by necessarily surprised by that. I was just trying to
Speaker 1: with a guy like that, well, trying to think of
Speaker 1: some other people in his realm who else never shut
Speaker 1: up about it. Darby, Well you think c M punk
Speaker 1: Daniel Brian Brian Danielson, So hate w W for that,
Speaker 1: by the way, to hell with you forever, lifetime forever
Speaker 1: with the Daniel Briant thing. When I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson as it should be, let'll be asking about
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with Gargan. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: a there's multip both factors involved here. One, he may
Speaker 1: not even go to a W. We don't know for
Speaker 1: sure right now. I mean most people figure he's going
Speaker 1: to but I mean he might make a deal to
Speaker 1: go back to n x T. So until he shows
Speaker 1: up somewhere, we don't know where he's gonna go. That's
Speaker 1: number one. Number two. I mean, I don't know when
Speaker 1: Kandice is due date is, but it's got to be
Speaker 1: like soon. And you know, Kyle O'Reilly, he just became
Speaker 1: a father, but he showed up and he's made all
Speaker 1: of his dates. So I mean everyone's different. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe Johnny Gargano was like, well, you know, it's it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't know. Maybe he'll be there,
Speaker 1: maybe he won't. Maybe it has to do with the pregnancy.
Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't. Maybe he's not gonna go there, maybe
Speaker 1: he is. I don't know what's going on, but there's
Speaker 1: certainly has not been like, uh, it's not like you know,
Speaker 1: CM punk and and Brian Danielson where it was like
Speaker 1: hint hint, hint hint hint hint that there has been
Speaker 1: zilch in terms of Johnny Gargano. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on, but well, at some point we'll know
Speaker 1: when way the other. But for right now, we are
Speaker 1: not playing the Johnny Gargano. You know, if you ask me,
Speaker 1: what does my guts say about tonight? What does my
Speaker 1: guts say? That's what I'm gonna what's my gut biomes
Speaker 1: saying right now? You guts? Yes, it's saying you're not
Speaker 1: going to be there. No, I'm not reporting, I said
Speaker 1: my gut. My gut's not even reporting it. Yes, my
Speaker 1: abs reporting, I do not. I don't think he's going
Speaker 1: to be there tonight, but maybe you will be. Are
Speaker 1: you down to one big ab yet? Do you ever
Speaker 1: get that back from the boat? Did you do so
Speaker 1: much eating one big ab? Yes? I don't know about
Speaker 1: you and everybody. There ain't nobody that had a six
Speaker 1: pack that after one week of eating was all of
Speaker 1: a sudden rotund. It's been a lot. It's been more
Speaker 1: than anybody vote for weeks weeks out here, Dad and
Speaker 1: about and being upset about changes in edual changes in
Speaker 1: your life going to throw you all off. Wasn't sure
Speaker 1: how you were living, just asking. Brendan Thurston j D
Speaker 1: notes here on his YouTube ratings analysis stream, mentioned the
Speaker 1: first minute of Dynamite the other week on TBS. The
Speaker 1: first minute of Dynamite one point seven two million viewers
Speaker 1: because the Big Bang theory lead in is massive, and
Speaker 1: so they need to one seven two million. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they need to do what they can to attempt to capture.
Speaker 1: By the way, should I say that number one more
Speaker 1: time because that's interesting? One point one point seven two million. Meanwhile, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Raw Monday one point seven seven million average oh point
Speaker 1: four six in eighteen forty nine, putting it in first
Speaker 1: place in eighteen forty nine for the night on cable. Now,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, everybody, here's the thing. This number is
Speaker 1: the highest number that they have done in a while. However,
Speaker 1: this was the first week that there was no football competition,
Speaker 1: so uh, that's not a great number. That's not a
Speaker 1: huge bounce back. The third hour was the least viewed hour,
Speaker 1: but the droplets argy with viewers over fifty man in
Speaker 1: particular gain an hour three, which is rare. Our three
Speaker 1: was the highest in eighteen forty nine, even though women
Speaker 1: fell during the show. One would hope for it. Says
Speaker 1: here a ten percent increase across the board coming off
Speaker 1: a rating against a huge football game. The key games
Speaker 1: were slightly below that. The show was up nine percent
Speaker 1: in total viewers from last week only six percent in
Speaker 1: eighteen forty nine, fell seven percent in eighteen of thirty
Speaker 1: four from last week's episode against the NFL playoffs. How
Speaker 1: do you manage that as compared to the same week
Speaker 1: last year, down three percent in viewers, twelve percent in
Speaker 1: eighteen forty nine, six percent and eighteen to thirty four. However,
Speaker 1: the number of homes getting the USA network is down nine,
Speaker 1: so it's closer to even if you go by percentages
Speaker 1: of people who actually get the station, and that total
Speaker 1: viewer numbers based on that in an eighteen and thirty
Speaker 1: four are up, eighteen and forty nine would be slightly down.
Speaker 1: Number two show below Deck on Bravo one point three
Speaker 1: five million and a point four in eighteen and forty
Speaker 1: nine Holy Smokes first a third hour movement for Raw
Speaker 1: we had one point eight two million first hour, one
Speaker 1: point eight eight million second hour, and the drop to
Speaker 1: one point five nine million in the third hour. So
Speaker 1: theoretically this should they should be right around one point
Speaker 1: seven million for Royal Rumble and WrestleMania season and then
Speaker 1: we'll see where it goes from there. But not a
Speaker 1: huge bounce back. But there was a bounce back, so
Speaker 1: there you go. I tried to watch Below Deck, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought there was gonna be I thought there was
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot more cheap clapping and a whole
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff going on for the amount of
Speaker 1: attention that that show gets. And really that's like an
Speaker 1: MTV show that just happens to be on Bravo or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I mean, there is very minimal drama
Speaker 1: on that show that really is that enthralling to me?
Speaker 1: That should be that enthralling as opposed to pro wrestling.
Speaker 1: Almost insulted by this as a as a long time
Speaker 1: pro wrestling fan that this this I don't know, O
Speaker 1: C on the water or whatever it is, that this
Speaker 1: thing has gotten over the way that it has. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some attractive people on it. You know,
Speaker 1: there's just there's cheap enough situations I can see for
Speaker 1: some viewers. But I cannot believe that this thing has
Speaker 1: lasted so long with the ratings that it gets. Then again,
Speaker 1: one point seven five million people basically one in three
Speaker 1: quarters a million people watching reruns on Basic Cable of
Speaker 1: Young Sheldon or the Hell of the Show is, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. That also blows my mind, very very impressed
Speaker 1: by these mainstream television numbers here with these awful shows.
Speaker 1: I gotta watch Below Deck Mediterranean, everybody and review it
Speaker 1: here on this program. It seems there's been requests for that.
Speaker 1: I know, it's not three hours. You can probably relate
Speaker 1: to the Captain Will Salty and see this is this
Speaker 1: is the difference, everybody. You wanna know why Below Deck's
Speaker 1: doing so well because it's only hour or whatever. Below
Speaker 1: Deck Mediterranean was a three hour show and ain't getting
Speaker 1: no new viewers. That's a barrier of entry. But I
Speaker 1: I will consider watching one episode of Below Deck Mediterranean
Speaker 1: to complain it to can you guys to compare it
Speaker 1: to Monday Night Raw? Give us something out of this
Speaker 1: archive of below Deck that is worth watching. Though, I'm
Speaker 1: willing to give this thing another shot, but like, give
Speaker 1: us one that's supposed to be like this is the
Speaker 1: premium example of what this show was all about. Somebody
Speaker 1: send us that. If we're gonna do a review of
Speaker 1: this thing and figure it out. I want the best
Speaker 1: from these people. Give it to us. And oh I
Speaker 1: will not have Oreo the Orca review below Deck, although
Speaker 1: actually probably be a pretty good person to review it.
Speaker 1: But you don't. You don't come cheap. It's problem. He's
Speaker 1: now he's a diva. He's a diva whale. Well maybe
Speaker 1: because you hit him too, by the way you alten
Speaker 1: him during the Christmas party. Maybe you have some apologies
Speaker 1: that are in order. Alright, we've got No, I'm not
Speaker 1: watching the quintessential Below Deck episode. I'm gonna watch the
Speaker 1: one that aired on the most recent one. No, watch
Speaker 1: the quintessential What the hell? You starting with something average
Speaker 1: off the street? Four? What is supposed to be so
Speaker 1: good about I'm trying to come. I told you about
Speaker 1: this show. It doesn't work. Give me something, Give me
Speaker 1: what makes this show so good? I'm trying. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do a fair comparison with Rob Monday since Below
Speaker 1: Deck came in second. So that's the one I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 1: Can you chill out a little before you have an
Speaker 1: aneurysm on the air? Ring of Honor? Announced Wednesday, they're
Speaker 1: launching their own Hall of Fame to coincide with their
Speaker 1: twentieth anniversary. Four inductees. We'll make up it's an augural class,
Speaker 1: with the first inductee announced this Monday and the following
Speaker 1: three Mondays. I mean, it's got to be like what
Speaker 1: punk Joe Danielson, who else, well, wrestler wise or just
Speaker 1: people wise. Doug Gentry. Doug Gentry would probably be you
Speaker 1: know right there, but a heron. The thing is it
Speaker 1: could be so many people when you go back in
Speaker 1: the day, and you know Riscos, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Xavier the Briscoe, they'll put him in the Hall of Fame. Homicide, Um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot. I mean, Jimmy Ray if you wanted to,
Speaker 1: you can put in Jimmy Ray for his you know,
Speaker 1: with with not on all Thmicide says here, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know Steen and Sennerico obviously maybe uh, you'll have to
Speaker 1: wait on them for a little while. But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I mean again, if you there's Doug Gentry,
Speaker 1: there's Bob Artest, there is I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe Bob Artesting wouldn't one. But there's so
Speaker 1: many names that go back that you know wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 1: be I mean, there's just so many. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to put in Kentuck Obashi is a special
Speaker 1: guest this year because he happens to be here and
Speaker 1: what he meant, you could, if you were dragon Gate guys,
Speaker 1: you could because of the influence. I mean, we wouldn't.
Speaker 1: We've been talking a lot about WrestleMania Weekends and what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do with n x D. I mean, the
Speaker 1: reason we have WrestleMania Weekends is because Ring of Honor
Speaker 1: attached itself to these, you know, to these w w
Speaker 1: E weekends and the dragon Gate guys coming over and
Speaker 1: what was it right, oh, five oh six? So I
Speaker 1: can't remember what it was now, it's been so long now.
Speaker 1: It kind of changed the whole game and gave people
Speaker 1: a new thing to go to. So, I mean, there
Speaker 1: are so many people, wrestler wise, behind the scenes that
Speaker 1: absolutely could be. They could be honored for this. I
Speaker 1: mean there there's a ton so I'm not sure who
Speaker 1: the first four are going to be or how they're
Speaker 1: gonna do it, but I I gotta be honest, I'm
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly all four things like this in the INNY Wrestling
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and people kind of paying homage and
Speaker 1: honor and respect to the roots. Back at a moment
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Speaker 1: Having to know Rocky Romero is feeling great good. I
Speaker 1: had a mild case of COVID thankfully, and he'll be
Speaker 1: back here on the show in a few weeks talk
Speaker 1: and all sorts of fun stuff. So very very good
Speaker 1: news to hear there, alright, n x T two point
Speaker 1: Oh everybody, Oh man, do you watch this show? Mike?
Speaker 1: Of course you didn't, And there's a lot of good stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd go that far. So we
Speaker 1: had ms K beating Jack at Time, which was a
Speaker 1: very very good match. Can you believe it? MSK and
Speaker 1: Jack at Time had a good match. MSK one. They
Speaker 1: have moved on in the Dusty Cup. We had an
Speaker 1: update on Zoe Stark. She's still injured and she's not
Speaker 1: gonna be in the Women's Dusty Cup. So she told
Speaker 1: Io to get a new partner. Eo said, I don't
Speaker 1: want a new partner, so Zoe was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you only like me for a partner, and then Daddy's
Speaker 1: girl walked up and it led to Tiffany Stratton versus
Speaker 1: Eo Shari. Later we had a bunch of vignettes and
Speaker 1: then we had a segment which actually was a great
Speaker 1: segment was Santos Escobar and Legato del Fantasma cutting a
Speaker 1: promo on braun Breaker, and then braun Breaker came out
Speaker 1: and just one on three, like the world's biggest baby
Speaker 1: face just got right in their face and said, you
Speaker 1: want to challenge me, let's do it right now, and
Speaker 1: Escobar said, we do this on my time and he
Speaker 1: backed away. But man, how many times you have to
Speaker 1: say this braun Breaker is a home run, guaranteed on
Speaker 1: the main roster, and you know who's not but should be.
Speaker 1: And I still just cannot, for the life of me
Speaker 1: figure this out because all they want and it's right
Speaker 1: for their face Santos Escobar is. He's such a superstar.
Speaker 1: He looks great, speaks perfect English. They want this, this
Speaker 1: Hispanic character, but he's just flip flopping around down here
Speaker 1: in n x T as they push forty six year
Speaker 1: old Ray Mystereo on the main roster, and they're got
Speaker 1: to find another Ray. The whole group, the whole package,
Speaker 1: could be on the main roster is a main roster act.
Speaker 1: It could have been there a long time ago. It
Speaker 1: just this goes back to what I say over and
Speaker 1: over again about this company and brown people and a
Speaker 1: lot It just it's it's just it's insulting. It's insulting
Speaker 1: to have a guy at the level of Phantasmo to
Speaker 1: have him there and because hopefully I'm calling him that
Speaker 1: again soon, because I don't mean his contract is over
Speaker 1: and we're done with this stupid name Santos Casco bar
Speaker 1: and he can go back to being Alpha. Just this
Speaker 1: drives me nuts. You all you want you have a
Speaker 1: clientele that comes back to you constantly, over and over again.
Speaker 1: After you give them Alberto del Rio, then pull it away,
Speaker 1: or you give them this person, you pull it away,
Speaker 1: or you go back to Ray Mysterio Junior over and
Speaker 1: over again because Mtico was too annoying for you and
Speaker 1: you don't know how to put over Grandma to Leak.
Speaker 1: Grandma to Leak was there for three or four years
Speaker 1: doing nothing, doing nothing, not being marketed at all, being
Speaker 1: treated like a bum, being treated like a joke. One
Speaker 1: of the biggest stars and one of the best wrestlers
Speaker 1: in the entire world when he joined the Msscara Dorada
Speaker 1: with a bunch of guys who he was used to
Speaker 1: working with, and that's what she did to him. And
Speaker 1: now we've we've legatta. Why why because Escobar isn't tall enough,
Speaker 1: Because like Swerve wasn't tall enough. Like those were two
Speaker 1: guys that were being put against each other. That should
Speaker 1: have been your future. It should have been bringing in
Speaker 1: new fans and should have been waking up all fans
Speaker 1: and say it just it pisces me off because there's
Speaker 1: levels and layers to this that get extra annoying when
Speaker 1: you pull back the onion and it sucks. Solo Zakoa
Speaker 1: and Boa had a no DQ falls can anywhere match
Speaker 1: is alright. They hit each other with a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't bad. Like if you like guys
Speaker 1: hitting each other with stuff. It was good, but it
Speaker 1: was like nothing to it really. Duke Hudson beat Guru
Speaker 1: Raje and then Dante Chen came out and they had
Speaker 1: a pull apart and Hudson chop blocked his leg, his
Speaker 1: injured leg. So that seems to be a feud. We
Speaker 1: had an explanation by uh, yep, he's still Gunther, but
Speaker 1: he's no longer gun their Stark. He's just Gunther, and
Speaker 1: I guess technically he never was gunt their Stark, although
Speaker 1: they trademarked the name because he was supposed to be
Speaker 1: gun thro Stark. I got a better idea. Let's just
Speaker 1: call him Gunther, So he explained, get this, he said,
Speaker 1: the name by which I am known, we're worldwide, the
Speaker 1: name that my parents gave me, named after my grandfather.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, now it's time to let the pass die.
Speaker 1: That's how he explained changing his name. So now he's
Speaker 1: gun Thir. Yeah, already, we had Kaylee Ray, Indie Heartwell
Speaker 1: and Persia Parata beating a toxic attraction in a six
Speaker 1: woman at tag Uh. This match went on, it went
Speaker 1: too long. I got the heat on Indie Heartwell for
Speaker 1: about by my estimation was six hours, and then they
Speaker 1: did much stuff there at the end. Hey, listen, if
Speaker 1: you watch Raw ten of the match with the Bushwhackers
Speaker 1: way worse than this one. Then we had grizzled young
Speaker 1: Vets meeting Chase University Andre Chase and Body Hayward. As
Speaker 1: the debut of Bodie Hayward. I think this is a
Speaker 1: second match, and and I can't say that he was
Speaker 1: like good or anything like that, but he was super
Speaker 1: over with this crowd. And uh, you know they do
Speaker 1: that thing in football where they can run really fast
Speaker 1: and then you drop down and then you jump up
Speaker 1: and you run really fast and you dropped down. He
Speaker 1: does that for a spot like the people's elbow. He
Speaker 1: gets over the guy, he runs and he does a
Speaker 1: standing splash, doesn't even jump, He just like falls on him.
Speaker 1: And then he runs and he falls on him. Places
Speaker 1: going nuts for this guy. High is he getting these
Speaker 1: knees up because your coach always get those knees up,
Speaker 1: of the knees up before he drops down. Nobody's chanting
Speaker 1: knees up, knees up, so they must be up high enough, alright.
Speaker 1: And then von Wagner ran in and uh he beat
Speaker 1: up Chase University. They lost the Chase University's not advancing
Speaker 1: the tournament. And Robert Stone is now managing von Wagner.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been cut like and this is no offense
Speaker 1: Robert Stone, but for a company that does not value
Speaker 1: managers whatsoever, they've preated him like a joke. He's for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, he exists, even though he doesn't have any
Speaker 1: clients and he has nothing of like to add to
Speaker 1: his resume or nothing even on his resume. With this guy,
Speaker 1: he's still there. It's like Malcolm Bivens in a way.
Speaker 1: And I'm happy that Malcolm's there because I love Stokely
Speaker 1: Hathaway and everything. But it's like, if these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be up on the main roster and you have
Speaker 1: no faith in managers and you don't care about managers
Speaker 1: and you think they're superfluous, why are these two guys
Speaker 1: there like with everybody else who they've cut like? It
Speaker 1: just I it boggles my mind. You know. The only
Speaker 1: time they're putting a value on managers is in developmental
Speaker 1: Because the Creed brothers don't speak, and I mean what
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: none of what they do make sense, especially after talking
Speaker 1: about the people they've released and some of the people
Speaker 1: that they use like garbage. Yeah, here shry and dad,
Speaker 1: he's a girl, Tiffany Stratton and uh again I don't
Speaker 1: want to see this match was good, but I think
Speaker 1: this was Tiffany Stratton's like third match ever and EO
Speaker 1: Sharai is great, so this match was fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, if you like to see people carry
Speaker 1: other people, I mean, you know, Shari did a great
Speaker 1: job here, Pinder with the moon salt. People online left
Speaker 1: and Tiffany look good. Taking pictures of Tiffany Stratton, who
Speaker 1: looks fantastic, I mean she's a fitness model and everything,
Speaker 1: so she's gonna look fantastic and an I G model
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But like taking pictures of this
Speaker 1: and talking about the match as if and I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it yet, so as if we're all liars about
Speaker 1: Tiffany Stratton and Brian is a liar about Tiffany Stratton. Yo,
Speaker 1: she can go so well as if she wasn't in
Speaker 1: the ring of people plan match. A lot of people
Speaker 1: on the internet don't know anything about anything because I
Speaker 1: was never that guy that said you're a keyboard warrior,
Speaker 1: you've never in the ring. But when you write something
Speaker 1: like that, you're a keyboard warrior who's never been in
Speaker 1: the ring. There's a reason that this match was good,
Speaker 1: and the reason is it's n x T. They get
Speaker 1: in the ring and they practice the match over and
Speaker 1: over again for the for a week, and she was
Speaker 1: in there with EO Sharai. Well, of course it's better
Speaker 1: Cameron Grimes beat Tony D'Angelo. Hey, there's another one, Tony D'Angelo.
Speaker 1: This guy is no braun breaker. But for a guy
Speaker 1: that's had less than ten matches, and granted, you have
Speaker 1: a week to practice and you're in there with Cameron Grimes,
Speaker 1: he did a good job and this was a pretty
Speaker 1: good match. Cameron Grimes is great and uh, Cameron got
Speaker 1: the win with cave in, and so it's going to
Speaker 1: be Cameron Grimes versus Carmelo Hayes for the North American
Speaker 1: title at the Vengeance Day show and then the the
Speaker 1: end of the show, brown Breaker is going to leave.
Speaker 1: And uh, it's actually clever earlier because Legato was doing
Speaker 1: this interview and they said they're about to leave the building,
Speaker 1: and then one of them said, you know this. Braun
Speaker 1: Breaker says, I'm the first one here and I'm the
Speaker 1: last one to leave, so we're gonna stay here a
Speaker 1: little longer tonight. And sure enough, bron Breakers the last
Speaker 1: guy to leave the building. And so he's he's in
Speaker 1: the parking lot and Legato del Fantasma all three of
Speaker 1: them confront him, and what does he do. He starts
Speaker 1: taking his stuff off. He goes, let's go right now
Speaker 1: with one on three in the parking I'll take all
Speaker 1: you three on. And they're about to beat him up,
Speaker 1: but guess who shows up Tomasso Chompa. So now Tamaso
Speaker 1: Champa and braun Breaker have mutual respect and they will
Speaker 1: be facing Legato del Phantasma. So as far as I
Speaker 1: get X two point, oh show go. This was better
Speaker 1: than usual. It's a better show than usual. I don't
Speaker 1: know it's gonna be better than Beach Break, but well,
Speaker 1: I mean, look with how you describe the ending there.
Speaker 1: Once again, they are getting there, their star pupil ready
Speaker 1: for the main roster because he's going to have a
Speaker 1: tag team partner who he has an uneasy relationship with,
Speaker 1: and really, when he gets down to next week, even
Speaker 1: though they have mutual respect for each other, Brian, Can
Speaker 1: they co exist? Bro? You should have watched the show
Speaker 1: because there was none of that. Tomasa Champ has showed up.
Speaker 1: They squared off against these two guys you know what
Speaker 1: the show you know, show ended. They looked at each other,
Speaker 1: they nodded, bump, big fist, bump, and they're bros now.
Speaker 1: So no, this is not the usual stupid storyline of
Speaker 1: can they That could be next week, but it's not right.
Speaker 1: They are coexisting. So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: bury something that hasn't occurred. I'll bury it if it occurs.
Speaker 1: I don't recall you mentioning something that was very important
Speaker 1: coming out of last night show, O'Brien, very very important,
Speaker 1: apparently to a lot of people out here. Okay, I
Speaker 1: did not hear you mentioned the name of Ali J.
Speaker 1: Did you mention the name of ali J? Yeah, she
Speaker 1: did a concert here on this show. I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: I heard she was dressed. Uh, let's say suggests suggestively
Speaker 1: with that, Well, they want you to know that she
Speaker 1: is curvacious. I it's actually kind of funny because yeah,
Speaker 1: I know anything about al e J. I'm an old man.
Speaker 1: But um and I have three times the number followers
Speaker 1: on Twitter. But regardless, she went out there yesterday. Now
Speaker 1: she's only up to fifty six fifty. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: fifty six fifties. I thought it was like in thet
Speaker 1: Do roll right now it's fifty four. That's the thing
Speaker 1: is what was smoke? What was that ext good for everybody?
Speaker 1: Look at that flex? Anyways? Can I get to my point?
Speaker 1: She goes out there, she starts doing her thing, and
Speaker 1: the places boon her like crazy, but then she kept going,
Speaker 1: didn't let it fluster. She has you know, did her
Speaker 1: whole performance and by the end they're like, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: They cheered her. So she needs to be a worker.
Speaker 1: Well did they get that crowd hypnotized by the bounce
Speaker 1: that was taking place throughout the whole thing? But anyway,
Speaker 1: I'd like to see here that our our chivalrous UH
Speaker 1: New Japan Strong champion that is filthy Tom Lawler respects
Speaker 1: this woman purely for her musical knowledge and UH appreciates that.
Speaker 1: So there you go, a gentleman that is filthy Tom Waller.
Speaker 1: Tom is a gentleman and a father. This person here
Speaker 1: says so Walter's parents named him Volter. But now he
Speaker 1: is moving on and changing his name to Gunther because
Speaker 1: he's standing on his own two feet. What did he
Speaker 1: just move out? Horrible, it says, horrible. Explanation it is,
Speaker 1: it's stupid. Yeah, well, you know what. Usually they don't
Speaker 1: even give an explanation. Usually they go coming to the
Speaker 1: ring Eo del Fantasma and he starts coming to the ring,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, on the big screen it
Speaker 1: just goes, Santos has Cobar and then that's his new
Speaker 1: name from now on. That's to say how they do it,
Speaker 1: that's traditioned with wwww F. That's not not unusual. Back
Speaker 1: in the mom Observer Live are the show right now?
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Speaker 1: w beach break And I got a double check this
Speaker 1: because someone texted me the temperature. But I gotta see
Speaker 1: this for myself. Let's see Cleveland, Ohio. Sixteen degrees right
Speaker 1: now feels like six. You never been out in sixteen
Speaker 1: degree Whether you're like, oh man, it feels like six,
Speaker 1: that's what it is right now. By the time the
Speaker 1: show begins, it will be nine nine degrees, not nine
Speaker 1: o'clock nine degrees for beach break tonight, with a wind
Speaker 1: chill advisory from seven pm to eleven am Thursday, so
Speaker 1: very cold wind chills expected. Windschills as low as fifteen
Speaker 1: below zero. The cold wind shills could result in hypothermia
Speaker 1: if precautions are not taken. Use caution when traveling outside
Speaker 1: where appropriate. Clothed link clothing, a hat, and gloves. According
Speaker 1: to the National Weather Service, were a sweater. Don't brawl
Speaker 1: outside right now, m calle. I'm not looking forward to this.
Speaker 1: This is supposedly supposed to be hitting me at my
Speaker 1: beach on Friday night, and they're talking about three to
Speaker 1: five inches of snow, thirty mile per hour winds. And
Speaker 1: that's at night on Friday. They're calling for the same
Speaker 1: thing on Saturday, except there may be higher winds. So
Speaker 1: you can keep all of that, y'all. This weather you
Speaker 1: guys use your weather channel. App i ate this thing
Speaker 1: because you go down to the bottom and it says
Speaker 1: next seven days, the warmest day of the week forty
Speaker 1: two on Tuesday, coolest day of the week fourteen on Saturday,
Speaker 1: next sunnyday none. It's a metaphor or something for this show.
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