Speaker 1: I'm a little duvall and this is Conversations with the Podcast.
Speaker 1: Today's guest is an ex convict, recently released after serving
Speaker 1: fourteen years in prison. She's a speaker and master bother ate.
Speaker 1: Let's welcome Angela Wright, live and direct in your ear checked.
Speaker 1: She boy a little duval vibe and decent. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start this shit off quick. I'm gonna start us
Speaker 1: off with somebody I just met. They seeing coolest motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I need to hear your story,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna record that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Who we got with us? What's your name? Tell me
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 3: Uncle Dee? You got Angela c right with you here today?
Speaker 3: Born and raised in New Jersey. Live in Atlanta, Lakewood,
Speaker 3: South Jersey, South Jersey. Yeah it look come from a
Speaker 3: little small town, a two parent home father pastor. Mom
Speaker 3: was a stay at home mom.
Speaker 1: Well, let me first say what made me say, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talk to her? She said, Nigga, I just did
Speaker 1: fair time, I did such and such. I was down
Speaker 1: there with your people's in flood. And then I say,
Speaker 1: oh shit, the fuck the.
Speaker 2: Fuck you do? Fit?
Speaker 1: Damn for wait, don't even tell me, come tell me
Speaker 1: on the goddamn Mike. So before you tell us that,
Speaker 1: let's give a quick backstory and then speed us up
Speaker 1: to where you got to the Dope Game?
Speaker 2: Was it the dope game? Yes? It was the game.
Speaker 3: No, it was the dope game.
Speaker 2: I wish it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fri, you would have got that much time. But
Speaker 1: it don't last as long as But go ahead.
Speaker 3: But like I said, I was born and raised in
Speaker 3: New Jersey, come from a two parent home. Went to
Speaker 3: college here in Atlanta. I went to Clark Atlanta University,
Speaker 3: and once I graduated school, I never cared. I just
Speaker 3: never went back home. I stayed here in Atlanta, and
Speaker 3: that's how I ended up, you know, being here whatever
Speaker 3: I talked, Ye that I graduated in two thousand and two, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: were around the same age.
Speaker 2: I'm older. I was here in ninety six when Olympics came.
Speaker 3: No, I came to school in ninety seven. But I
Speaker 3: graduated in two thousand and two. Oh yeah, I came
Speaker 3: in ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you've been around in a long time, around
Speaker 2: this way a bunch of times, of course, cause I've
Speaker 2: been around. Yeah, finished telling Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, like I said, I taught school. I was a
Speaker 3: school teacher. I taught over at Gideon's Elementary that's on
Speaker 3: the that's where Mechanic Bill is over like on that
Speaker 3: side of town. Taught third grade or whatever. And I
Speaker 3: taught school maybe about two years til I jumped, like
Speaker 3: just said I wasn't teaching no more, and just jumped
Speaker 3: head first in the streets. You know, I started out
Speaker 3: in college.
Speaker 2: Woy because you aren't making enough money in school teaching.
Speaker 3: It wasn't that one day me and the principal end
Speaker 3: up exchanging words. You know, I was young. You gotta
Speaker 3: think back then, back in two thousand and two, it
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of young school teachers. It was still
Speaker 3: like the older school teachers stern. You know, the LNG
Speaker 3: dressing here, it is that it's changing. I'm young, I'm
Speaker 3: then when she was changed, Yeah, I'm wearing my pants fitted.
Speaker 3: I'm not wearing I don't have to wear no long
Speaker 3: dress like I'm a nun. I'm not doing that. And
Speaker 3: then she we would exchange words about that, and then
Speaker 3: she was worried about like the cars that came up
Speaker 3: of the school on my lunch break, to getting just
Speaker 3: worried about the wrong thing, and I ended up going
Speaker 3: off on the one day and in my head, I
Speaker 3: was like, man, I don't even have to take this.
Speaker 3: I make this in three days what I'm making.
Speaker 2: So you already knew you could do that before you.
Speaker 3: Jo, I was already. I was teaching school and in
Speaker 3: the game. I started out counting money for these dudes.
Speaker 3: They used to pay me like five thousand dollars a
Speaker 3: week to count money, package it up. And you know,
Speaker 3: when you package money, you gotta count every denomination, run
Speaker 3: it through the machine.
Speaker 1: All right before you before you make sure everything because
Speaker 1: I don't want to get you in trouble.
Speaker 3: Oh this case is oh gone, okay, we all.
Speaker 1: Want to I just want to make sure. I don't
Speaker 1: like to set people up there. Yeah, people talk, don't
Speaker 1: even really, I'm not lad. I'm not wanting nah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I won't let you put me in the
Speaker 3: trick bag anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But that's how I started out it. You know, just
Speaker 3: got greedy seeing all that money go through my hands,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I can broke with these cocaine.
Speaker 3: He got it he needed. And that's how it started.
Speaker 3: And before you know that, I had cousins down in
Speaker 3: Panama City, Florida. So they started getting they work from
Speaker 3: up here from me.
Speaker 2: And then from Atlanta, Panama. They were from Atlanta, Panama City.
Speaker 3: You got to think about it. Panama City is right
Speaker 3: there at the top of Alabama. It's not down there
Speaker 3: in Miami. It's at the top. So it's only four
Speaker 3: hours away from Atlanta.
Speaker 2: It's quicker to get it.
Speaker 3: It's quicker to get it. Yeah, it's quicker to get it.
Speaker 3: That whole panhandle right there, and then Dothan, Alabama.
Speaker 2: Get y'all was pumping Florida on the low.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Parry, Florida, Yup, yup, Tallahassee that whole panhandle right there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I got in trouble. My case was over the
Speaker 3: pair hand.
Speaker 2: How you got caught up? How you got caught?
Speaker 3: How you think everybody told?
Speaker 2: I know told, But like, what was the Did you
Speaker 2: see it coming?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I seen it coming. I can't even lie. I'm
Speaker 3: a very very spiritual person, and I always believed like
Speaker 3: warning comes before destructions.
Speaker 1: We let me ask you if it's not to cut
Speaker 1: you off, but I did. How many years was you
Speaker 1: was it running? How many years was you.
Speaker 3: Had like a seven year run?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Yep, I had a seven year run.
Speaker 2: That ain't bad.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't bad.
Speaker 2: Live good.
Speaker 3: You know. I had a seven year run. It wasn't
Speaker 3: worth it in the end because I got sentenced to
Speaker 3: thirty years do ball?
Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait wait wait, don't go there yet.
Speaker 2: Oh man, don't shit.
Speaker 3: Shit. Yeah. So okay, so not the not the you know,
Speaker 3: get that part or whatever that spoiler.
Speaker 1: But you know you said how much the most you made?
Speaker 1: Like in one lick and one one one.
Speaker 3: I tell you this one dude from.
Speaker 2: What was you doing? Was you the mule or was
Speaker 2: you like.
Speaker 3: Never m do?
Speaker 2: I look like? Check the fuck you.
Speaker 1: Me and the mule?
Speaker 2: Play with me? Go ahead?
Speaker 3: No, So I can tell you this. This one dude
Speaker 3: from Tallahassee. He used to come to Atlanta, UH three
Speaker 3: times a week and get eleven kilos. Every like every
Speaker 3: three days he came and got eleven kilos. So if
Speaker 3: I was getting them for seventeen to five at the
Speaker 3: time and I'm selling them to twenty four, that goes
Speaker 3: to show.
Speaker 1: You this because and I always wanted this, especially at
Speaker 1: landa niggas, How did y'all figure out who who did
Speaker 1: trust was serving? Because especially Florida niggas. I'm from Florida
Speaker 1: and not know how slammy Florida niggas. So that's why
Speaker 1: I always wondered, like, how did y'all even trust.
Speaker 3: I met him through somebody else? But this was my
Speaker 3: sign that I knew I shouldn't have. I should have
Speaker 3: just stopped dealing with him.
Speaker 2: Is that the one that fucked you over?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Florida niggas? Yeah he won? Yeah yeah, the Florida.
Speaker 3: All the Florida dudes was in court. Marianna, Florida didn't
Speaker 3: even know me. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. So but like
Speaker 3: I said, I'm a spiritual person. So one night I
Speaker 3: was driving and I was looking up in the rear
Speaker 3: view mirror and I was putting some lip gloss on,
Speaker 3: and the spirit said to me, you're going to jail.
Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, it ain't funny, You're going to jail. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And guess what I didn't. Uh. I tried to shake
Speaker 3: it off, but it was already it was already set.
Speaker 3: And I could tell you like a year before that,
Speaker 3: my father, he had came down to visit me, and
Speaker 3: he stayed when it was like the tend Jake's thing
Speaker 3: at the TD Jake's thing, and he told me, he said,
Speaker 3: Ray Charls could see something that's going on. I was like, oh, Daddy,
Speaker 3: you always preaching. I don't want to hear it. I
Speaker 3: don't want to hear it. And uh he called me
Speaker 3: one morning he said, God said you're too high mighty.
Speaker 3: He got to bring you down. I was like, Daddy,
Speaker 3: is too early in the morning. I don't get on
Speaker 3: my phone with that. But guess what, those were my warnings.
Speaker 3: Those were my warnings.
Speaker 2: So but you raised in the good family, how was
Speaker 2: you raised? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Two pairn home. I told you my father was a pastor.
Speaker 3: I'm the least like person that ever I was an
Speaker 3: a b student.
Speaker 2: Was the chase of the money.
Speaker 3: You know what it was. It was being spoiled as
Speaker 3: a child, being spoiled as a child. Not only this
Speaker 3: people people, you know, people get mad when I say this.
Speaker 3: But being a pastor child, you watch how much power
Speaker 3: your father has. You see how people flock to him.
Speaker 3: So that's how I chose my men. You get what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Powerful.
Speaker 3: I like powerful men. I don't like no weak sucker behind.
Speaker 3: I like powerful men. And then and then to see
Speaker 3: the power that how people was drawing to my father
Speaker 3: and stuff naturally growing up, that's how it was, because
Speaker 3: then it's handed down to the kids. Everybody cater to
Speaker 3: the pastor kids. And then I looked just like I
Speaker 3: had at the well back then I grew up, it
Speaker 3: was three of us, but my dad's remarried, so now
Speaker 3: it's it's six of us all together.
Speaker 2: And where was you at?
Speaker 3: I was a middle baby. They call the knee.
Speaker 1: Baby, the one that I always felt. They say, babies
Speaker 1: always feel left out.
Speaker 3: Can't be not with a mouth like mine, Capricorn New
Speaker 3: Year's Day, everything start with me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your jury to the mailbox. I'm fucking with.
Speaker 3: Ship. I did not wear my.
Speaker 2: So what happened? What did it? What did it come down?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: When did when did the drug? The bus come?
Speaker 3: Two thousand and five started in two thousand and five
Speaker 3: A driver got a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: They just came and set.
Speaker 3: You up conspiracy. I got indicted by myself. They came
Speaker 3: back and gave me a superseding indictment and gave me
Speaker 3: the due that I was going with at the time.
Speaker 3: They made him my co defended. And what I did
Speaker 3: not know is he was talking. My boyfriend told.
Speaker 1: On me, nigga, I just saw that on the trip.
Speaker 1: I was just watching that. The nigga, the bitch. Nigga
Speaker 1: told on lady Yea.
Speaker 3: I always tell people like I go to schools now
Speaker 3: and speak to.
Speaker 2: Kids, You like, how the fuck this nigga?
Speaker 3: Because he had already he had got he got caught,
Speaker 3: he had got busted. I wasn't even around. I was in.
Speaker 3: It was All Star weekend two thousand and seven. I
Speaker 3: was in Vegas at the All Star Game. He got caught.
Speaker 3: Somebody like set him up. He had already been in
Speaker 3: trouble before. So you know, the fans worked by a
Speaker 3: point system, so he was automatically facing a mandatory minimum
Speaker 3: of twenty years. And I guess he felt like, man,
Speaker 3: I can't do it. Yeah, get it, get it down.
Speaker 3: And they told him like, we want her, we know
Speaker 3: we just can't get to it. We know who she is.
Speaker 3: Give you give us us, We give you ten years.
Speaker 3: He gave them me.
Speaker 2: Of course, Yeah, did you forgive him?
Speaker 3: So you know you have to in order for God
Speaker 3: to forgive you, you know, you have to.
Speaker 2: Figure how long for you to get over it.
Speaker 3: It took me about I ain't gonna lie about a
Speaker 3: good ten years in prison. I was, you know, I
Speaker 3: was bitter behind it. But and the crazy thing is,
Speaker 3: about three months ago one of my homeboys face timedy,
Speaker 3: he like, and somebody wanted to talk to you, and
Speaker 3: guess who it was. I went crazy because I can
Speaker 3: forgive somebody, but I don't have to deal with you.
Speaker 3: And what audacity do you have to even want to
Speaker 3: say anything to me? Took me away from my son.
Speaker 3: My son was My son was ten when I left.
Speaker 3: If I came home, he was twenty five. I'm got
Speaker 3: nothing to say to you.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: So you did fifteen? I did fourteen year fourteen off
Speaker 1: of twenty three, no.
Speaker 3: Off of thirty?
Speaker 2: What did you?
Speaker 1: What did you when you were when you got locked up?
Speaker 1: What did you think you was looking? Because I know
Speaker 1: you say, all right, I know I'm going to jail.
Speaker 3: I was thinking I get ten years because with the fads,
Speaker 3: it's the mandatory minimums. So I was thinking, I get.
Speaker 2: To why they fucked you up while they said fuck
Speaker 2: you and get your thirds.
Speaker 3: The amount of drugs and I wouldn't cooperate the amount
Speaker 3: of drugs and I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't I got what made you stand tall?
Speaker 3: What make you not stand tall?
Speaker 2: Type shit?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was raised that even as a child, you
Speaker 3: don't tell on your sisters and brothers, and you definitely
Speaker 3: don't point the finger at somebody else because you got caught.
Speaker 3: You don't do that. And yes, my mother, cause you can.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people talk that, but when
Speaker 1: they get they fold under pressure.
Speaker 3: And you know what I tell people, I can see
Speaker 3: how people talk because it is intimidating when you sitting
Speaker 3: at a table and it's nothing but a bunch of
Speaker 3: agents around.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel like.
Speaker 1: I don't fault nobody from being like, if you square,
Speaker 1: I expect you to square ship. Did you see the square?
Speaker 1: Did you see the lame in them? Or did you
Speaker 1: this was some surprising to you from that?
Speaker 2: Nigga?
Speaker 3: I feel like, I honestly feel like like women are
Speaker 3: harder men when it come to it. They men just
Speaker 3: cannot do time.
Speaker 1: I believe, not just that, I believe women are more loyal.
Speaker 1: Yeah women that died about that loyalty. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Men are just loyal as far as
Speaker 1: you feed them. Yeah, women they're starve.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The people gave me thirty years through all as a
Speaker 3: first time non violince offender.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you that, when when that motherfucker said thirty,
Speaker 1: say wait, how many months?
Speaker 3: They tell you how many hundred sixty four months?
Speaker 2: When you heard that, how did your man skills go
Speaker 2: with twelve divided?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly, exactly, That's exactly what I did. In my head.
Speaker 3: I was like, twelve twelve going to thirty six automatically twelve,
Speaker 3: that's three, that's three, that's automatically thirty, get the four.
Speaker 3: You know, all the salavagis left my mind. I was
Speaker 3: just numb.
Speaker 1: I turned around. How long you were drunk? Like you know,
Speaker 1: when you go to jail, you drunk for how many
Speaker 1: was it years?
Speaker 2: Weeks? How long was you drunk?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Days? Couldn't get up? I lay did three like my
Speaker 3: mom and them was calling to jail, making sure like
Speaker 3: she hasn't called home, like what's going on? I couldn't
Speaker 3: get up. I'm like thirty years. I was thirty years
Speaker 3: old at the time. You know in fas you do
Speaker 3: eighty five percent, So I thirty it was automatic twenty
Speaker 3: six years. Then after like that third day, I got up,
Speaker 3: had to dust myself off, and I just was like okay,
Speaker 3: all right, my nickname is Shaye. I was like, Shay,
Speaker 3: you got yourself in this, you have to find a
Speaker 3: way to get yourself out of it. And I just
Speaker 3: had to believe, like how.
Speaker 2: Long did that really come to?
Speaker 1: Where you when you programmed your mind to say I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta eat this time that third day?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I need only three days? What was saying?
Speaker 3: I told myself I had to fight.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say, like a year, like no
Speaker 1: drunk for I know niggas been drunk for six months
Speaker 1: to a year.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, damn, I really ain't
Speaker 2: going nowhere.
Speaker 1: They took my other HOMEBOYD told me it took for
Speaker 1: his birthday to come back around for him to realize, shit,
Speaker 1: I got twelve more of these motherfuckers in here.
Speaker 3: No, I never would give into it. I just used
Speaker 3: to tell myself like something gonna happen, something going break,
Speaker 3: And I just tried to learn everything I could about
Speaker 3: my situation, Like you know, I had to paid attorney,
Speaker 3: told my mom take him seventy five thousand dollars in
Speaker 3: a brown paper, bad cash, and I still had thirty years.
Speaker 3: Then we turned around and paid a pill lawyer another
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand. I lost my director.
Speaker 2: Pell you thank your lawyer fucked you over.
Speaker 3: I can't necessarily say that he messed me over. It
Speaker 3: just wasn't meant. It just wasn't meant. That wasn't the
Speaker 3: way that God seemed fit. And looking back on it,
Speaker 3: I always say, if God had allowed me to get
Speaker 3: five years and be home in three, I would have
Speaker 3: came back home selling the drugs. I would have been, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would have been or scared. I would have came
Speaker 3: back home doing something.
Speaker 1: Because if they do ten years or better, you can't
Speaker 1: get them doing nothing illegal. No more like all my homeboys,
Speaker 1: like they do four five years, they right back in
Speaker 1: the streets.
Speaker 2: Ten years.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get that nigga across that Georgia Florida line.
Speaker 1: Georgia Florida line. But I guess after a while, you
Speaker 1: you think so you so you think by the so
Speaker 1: he said, if you were there four years, you probably
Speaker 1: would have been back out there. Of course, So that
Speaker 1: means so that means it took some time for you
Speaker 1: to say, to learn like, all right, I fucked up.
Speaker 3: It took time for me to even accept responsibility. Because
Speaker 3: for a long time, I would say, if they hadn't
Speaker 3: told on me, they wouldn't have had me.
Speaker 1: I was take pointing somebody, did somebody in there help
Speaker 1: you get to that mindset?
Speaker 3: No, you have to get that on you. I had
Speaker 3: to get there on my own. Prison is prison is
Speaker 3: a horrible environment. And you know, like a lot of people,
Speaker 3: society believes that prison rehabilitates people. Rehabilitation does not take
Speaker 3: place in prison here, point blank. In order for you
Speaker 3: to change your mindset, that has to be up to
Speaker 3: the individual. You have to do it yourself. And like
Speaker 3: I said, you know, I wasn't I'm not slow at all,
Speaker 3: you know, to stretch imagination. Came out of college with
Speaker 3: a three eight. I'm a smart girl, and God gifted
Speaker 3: me with common sense, book sits and street smarts. You know.
Speaker 3: So I just didn't have nobody there. I didn't feel
Speaker 3: like I had anything common with most of the girls,
Speaker 3: and just no, no, I couldn't turn it off. Especially
Speaker 3: it had to get to a point, believe this man,
Speaker 3: It had to get to a point that I had
Speaker 3: to stop listening to g Like anytime Jeez came on,
Speaker 3: it would take me, It would it would take me back.
Speaker 3: I had to stop listening to it. It would take
Speaker 3: me back to that time, like that was our era,
Speaker 3: you know, that whole that whole era that that that was,
Speaker 3: That was my era. That was when Atlanta the Street,
Speaker 3: Yeah that was that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to I had to cut myself off
Speaker 3: from it because I'm like, Shay, you cannot do and
Speaker 3: hear and live out there. Just impossible. You can't. You
Speaker 3: can't be in prison and trying to live outside too.
Speaker 3: You can't do it.
Speaker 2: What did you do the past time? And there? Like
Speaker 2: what I know?
Speaker 1: You said you you studied because you said so, you
Speaker 1: had thirty years and you end up doing how long?
Speaker 3: I did? Fourteen years?
Speaker 2: How did that happen? You did the drug?
Speaker 1: Uh No?
Speaker 3: In two thousand and fourteen, the Censing Commission came out
Speaker 3: with a law all drugs minus two. So it took
Speaker 3: me down two levels. That brought me down to twenty
Speaker 3: one years and ten months. And then when Trump got
Speaker 3: in office, that's how I came home.
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of people believe yep, they.
Speaker 3: You know, people say what they want to say about them.
Speaker 3: I got denied clemency bout the Obama administration. Twice, and
Speaker 3: like I said, I was the poster child that the
Speaker 3: criteria that they put out for I fit. But what
Speaker 3: people don't know is it doesn't just go directly to
Speaker 3: the president. It's changed that it go through And they
Speaker 3: asked to prosecute in office. Do they feel like you
Speaker 3: should get out of prison? Of course the prosecutor not
Speaker 3: gonna feel like I should have got out of So
Speaker 3: it took for Trump to be in office. So you know,
Speaker 3: people hate him and say stuff, But to me, it
Speaker 3: was a gift for me because that's how I got out.
Speaker 3: He signed the First Step Act, and my judge felt like,
Speaker 3: you know, I had did my time and that's how
Speaker 3: I came home.
Speaker 2: So what did you do for them fifteen?
Speaker 1: Because even though fifteen you didn't do thirty fifteen years
Speaker 1: a long motherfucking time.
Speaker 3: You keep adding a year on it.
Speaker 1: I did fourteen, Oh shit, same shit, fourteen fifteen, So
Speaker 1: I can't do fifteen days.
Speaker 3: I worked out, I taught ged classes. At one time.
Speaker 3: I was caught up into prison, a hustle, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, trick, you know, trick to guard to
Speaker 3: bring this and that in for me. And uh then
Speaker 3: I started writing, you know, I started thinking about what
Speaker 3: I was gonna do when I came home, because, like
Speaker 3: I said, in my mind, I was not going to
Speaker 3: do thirty years, and it took ten years for me
Speaker 3: to receive my first reduction. So I begin to plan
Speaker 3: like as if I was getting up tomorrow and leave.
Speaker 3: I had to put in my mind, if you believe
Speaker 3: in it, go home. You gotta start acting like you
Speaker 3: was going home.
Speaker 2: People thought I was crazy.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing you saying, because a lot of
Speaker 1: people gonna talk about and I want you to tell
Speaker 1: me about your first year out. That's usually the toughest
Speaker 1: time because now you it's like the world hits you
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and you got to catch up with it.
Speaker 2: How was that transition for you just getting out of prison?
Speaker 3: Sitting here in front of you only been home two years?
Speaker 2: For real?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been home two years my first year.
Speaker 2: Out, so you're still hitting the ground.
Speaker 3: I'm still running my first year out, I did my
Speaker 3: I launched my t shirt line on my own.
Speaker 2: Came around twenty twenty one. Was you in the pandemic?
Speaker 3: Pandemic? Was that horrible, horrible lockdown all the time we
Speaker 3: couldn't move, We couldn't do nothing.
Speaker 2: What was what was you in Kentucky?
Speaker 3: Got shipped to Lexititon by then? Yeah, I but and
Speaker 3: I would I was still. This is how it worked out.
Speaker 3: I kept a jump rope so when it guards them,
Speaker 3: like you know, after nine o'clock count, they really ain't
Speaker 3: coming around no more. So I'll go right in front
Speaker 3: of my room and jump rope and hula hoo for
Speaker 3: thirty minutes, like to stay in touch. Because I used
Speaker 3: to tell them girls, like it's a competition going on
Speaker 3: out there, y'all ain't gonna be able to compete at
Speaker 3: y'all fat and out of shape because you're sitting around
Speaker 3: eating honey buns. And did you just watching TV and stuff?
Speaker 3: I didn't watch a bunch of junk TV. I watched
Speaker 3: sports and I watched news like I'm a basketball and
Speaker 3: football girl. I did that, and I allowed myself one
Speaker 3: week one hour I mean of junk TV like Real
Speaker 3: Housewives of Atlanta or the Kardashians win that song or whatever.
Speaker 3: But I didn't sit up and just watch stupid TV.
Speaker 2: So finished tell me about now that you got out soon?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, of course, I had to get
Speaker 3: my license all over again so I did of license
Speaker 3: drivers like, yeah, yep, I have been.
Speaker 2: Going about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, passport, I had to get my passport.
Speaker 2: Oh you can get your passport. Yeah, yeah, you get
Speaker 2: your passport. I didn't know you could get your not
Speaker 2: even that quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I got my passport that first year. My case was
Speaker 3: from two thousand and seven. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My homeboy still Oh he got Chad support.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah that's why. Yeah. And and the book that
Speaker 3: I wrote while I was in prison, I published it.
Speaker 3: Yeah I wish I had one here today to give
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't prepared. But uh. My book is called
Speaker 3: pit to Palace Mentality and the subtitle is ten key
Speaker 3: Principles to See your Way through Situation. You could get
Speaker 3: it on Amazon. It's on Amazon, or you could get
Speaker 3: at my website Angela Cright dot com.
Speaker 2: Say it one more time.
Speaker 3: You could get the book it's called pit to Palace Mentality,
Speaker 3: subtitle ten key Principles see your Way through your worst Situation.
Speaker 3: Or you can get it at on my website Angela
Speaker 3: c as in Cat Right and right. It's spelled w
Speaker 3: R I g H T Angela Cright dot com.
Speaker 1: And it's pretty much what it's talking about your life
Speaker 1: and how you overcame, how.
Speaker 3: It it came, and how to help others. Like ten
Speaker 3: key principles Number one I give you, I give you
Speaker 3: a principal. Number one is you have to accept responsibility
Speaker 3: regardless to whatever situation you ever find yourself in, like
Speaker 3: you have to take responsibility for the part art that
Speaker 3: you played in it too. Don't become bitter. You can't
Speaker 3: be bitter. Nothing comes out of bitter. Nothing comes out
Speaker 3: of bitterness but brokenness, you know. And then number three
Speaker 3: is move If you think about it, everything in the
Speaker 3: world has movement, water, the wind, trees, everything has movement.
Speaker 3: So you have to you have to stay moving no
Speaker 3: matter what. Yeah, no matter what.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So now now that you're here, now you're here with
Speaker 1: up what you need? Ask me some questions, Ask me
Speaker 1: what you need, what's on your mind, what you're going through,
Speaker 1: if you need advice with anything in life, I'm here
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: What am I going through right now?
Speaker 1: I would say, even with are you trying to like
Speaker 1: you said, you still running?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still running. And my goal right now for
Speaker 3: this year is before this this year is out, that
Speaker 3: I want to start a podcast. So unk maybe you
Speaker 3: could tell me, give me some pointers of what I
Speaker 3: need to do.
Speaker 1: Podcasts like stand up. Just start doing it. It's really
Speaker 1: that simple, you know what I'm saying. It's microphone now.
Speaker 1: I can't teach you how to builded and stuff. That's
Speaker 1: where you come in. And I don't like to give
Speaker 1: people advice or anything. I like it because I don't
Speaker 1: think you should listen to nobody. You just pay attention,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I don't like to give advice.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm like I could shadow you every day.
Speaker 1: I'm talking as far as like as far as like
Speaker 1: career wise, I like to give advice to life, okay,
Speaker 1: but with career, I could just tell you just do it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Just do it like you're
Speaker 1: doing that. Stay and what you just said a setting,
Speaker 1: go stay emotion, Stay emotion. Even if it don't do something,
Speaker 1: it's still practice, it's still repetition. I got this far
Speaker 1: as just consistency, staying consistent, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So another thing that I look at, you know now
Speaker 3: that that home is that I just feel like many
Speaker 3: these days have a lot of women tendencies to me.
Speaker 3: So so like how do I how do I get
Speaker 3: with the time that the time now of these men,
Speaker 3: because it just.
Speaker 2: Is it the older men you talking about the younger men.
Speaker 3: We definitely not talking. I'm not stunning. The younger men
Speaker 3: are just they're lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, But even the older.
Speaker 3: To me, they are like I.
Speaker 1: Can see how you say that too, especially when you've
Speaker 1: went and been down for fifteen and so you used
Speaker 1: to a manly man and the fact that you had
Speaker 1: to come on. I know, it's like a it's like
Speaker 1: a culture shock.
Speaker 3: So how do I adjust to this climate, you know,
Speaker 3: like with the men with the hookahs like that. I
Speaker 3: just don't. I just don't like it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you one thing about me when it
Speaker 1: comes to advice. If I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I don't know, man, because like
Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know who gave, but I know who ain't.
Speaker 1: And it's meat, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I don't have no problem with it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I see the problems happening
Speaker 1: with our black women. They getting the bad end.
Speaker 2: In the stick, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, because there's only so many of us in
Speaker 1: this motherfucker, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: they get the band and the stick. So and like,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends that's good, good black women,
Speaker 1: that's successful her, and it's hard for them to find
Speaker 1: me and I be and I'd be like, I want
Speaker 1: to find it, but it ain't no niggas out here.
Speaker 1: So I don't really have no advice when it comes
Speaker 1: to what to do for these niggas, because all these
Speaker 1: niggas ain't like me said, I'm a great nigga, flip flop.
Speaker 1: What I'm not flip floped. I'm what everybody is. One minute,
Speaker 1: I give a fuck one minute I don't flip flop. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's in a good way. Some shit you should
Speaker 1: give a fuck about.
Speaker 2: Some shit you shouldn't, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I just I just don't know about men because
Speaker 1: I be confused because I don't. I don't really pay
Speaker 1: attention to niggas. I'm not fucking them so you would,
Speaker 1: so I don't really be knowing. You know, how I
Speaker 1: found about niggas threw bitches and fuck it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it'd be like, what the fuck y'all deal with this?
Speaker 1: Because that's why I tell mom, like, you know, you
Speaker 1: with the ship right there, because you don't have to
Speaker 1: deal with none of this ship these that you're dealing.
Speaker 2: With, You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I got another question. What what would you
Speaker 3: say is the best way for a woman to really
Speaker 3: understand a man, because you know, y'all don't really express yourself.
Speaker 1: Pay attention to the same thing like a woman like
Speaker 1: you got to pay attention to what a woman do?
Speaker 1: You just pay attention to communicate asks, don't assume asks them.
Speaker 2: That's what I think. Are you in a relationship now?
Speaker 3: I got somebody I care about, you care about, but
Speaker 3: what I care about we bump pigs.
Speaker 2: Do y'all communicate?
Speaker 3: I think communication could be probably better on my end
Speaker 3: because I'm the type of person I go off.
Speaker 2: Is that coming from your background?
Speaker 3: No, I've always been like that, Like if you if
Speaker 3: you was to if you asked me something I told
Speaker 3: you and then you asked me again, and I got
Speaker 3: to say this same thing I'm yelling a second time
Speaker 3: to the top of my lungs.
Speaker 2: You got kids. You say, oh, you say you got
Speaker 2: a son? Yes? Son? Do you do that to him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? He knows I'm gonna yell. He'll be like, never mind,
Speaker 3: You're just gonna yell.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they're to teach you about yourself?
Speaker 1: Because like you, cause you know this about yourself? Why
Speaker 1: haven't you tried to change it? What have you tried
Speaker 1: to check yourself?
Speaker 2: I do be saying on myself.
Speaker 3: No, sometime when I have an outburst and I yell,
Speaker 3: I say to myself, Shaye, why did you just yell
Speaker 3: like that?
Speaker 2: And do you acknowledge it right then and nip it
Speaker 2: in the bullet.
Speaker 3: I don't apologize. I'm stubborn, which is another problem, which
Speaker 3: is it's another problem.
Speaker 2: But you gotta work on them problems.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: But you gotta start working. You gotta. You gotta put
Speaker 2: forth effort right now. I will. I'm I gonna do
Speaker 2: right now something.
Speaker 1: You got to bite the bullet, I know, especially if
Speaker 1: you say you wanted people like ain't nobody finishes?
Speaker 2: Bah, you gonna you gotta bite the bullet.
Speaker 3: And then to another thing about me. I have such
Speaker 3: a strong personality, you know, and I'm like tomboy. I like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm I'm like a nigga because I've been
Speaker 3: so much, you know, so I think.
Speaker 2: Too that whe the right the right man.
Speaker 1: There's some like I told my old lady, she's like that,
Speaker 1: but right around me, she turned to a puppy.
Speaker 3: He softens me. He does do that, and he's the
Speaker 3: total opposite. That's what I'm trying, something new to my
Speaker 3: whole entire life.
Speaker 1: I've always dated and you dated people that was on
Speaker 1: that's gonna always fight. You need somebody solt because they
Speaker 1: gonna calm you down. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just think, I don't know. I just think,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: How long y'all been dating?
Speaker 3: Eight months?
Speaker 2: Eight months?
Speaker 1: Y'all still chilling, y'all still just let it play out,
Speaker 1: don't let you do. It's because from what you're said, so,
Speaker 1: he's doing the right's youth. Sometimes you know it's you
Speaker 1: for the most part, it's.
Speaker 3: Me, but it's also him too, because he's so laid
Speaker 3: back and like, no, not like like me, Like yeah,
Speaker 3: I would. I want him to be laid back, but
Speaker 3: I don't want you to have that nachial lot like
Speaker 3: like something don't bother you. When it's bothering you, you
Speaker 3: need to say it bothered you, don't act like it.
Speaker 2: Don't bother you about is it something your relationship about me?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, so if I went
Speaker 3: out of town and I ain't call like the whole weekend,
Speaker 3: just tell me.
Speaker 2: Why you ain't called because he had pissed me. Ship.
Speaker 2: She's tripping, man, you're tripping man.
Speaker 1: Don't be just starting ship, especially what you just starting ship?
Speaker 2: Fu.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the man.
Speaker 2: Don't be for what what you got here. I been
Speaker 2: with some pity.
Speaker 3: Because he said I always he was venting, and I
Speaker 3: interjected myself.
Speaker 1: He spoke to you, and then now you said he
Speaker 1: needs to talk to you, and you see what happens.
Speaker 2: It's huge, niggas.
Speaker 3: It's something my uncle gonna do.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 3: Now down and open up and ask you.
Speaker 1: And this is the way you love. It's tough love.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, don't run that. Don't run that good
Speaker 1: man off.
Speaker 3: Yeah he works, he has a job.
Speaker 1: You just said, it's hard to find niggas out here.
Speaker 1: He's soft as niggas. And come on, don't don't lose that.
Speaker 1: Don't lose that.
Speaker 3: It's just an adjustment too, you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: I've always dated drug dealers, you know, so it's just.
Speaker 1: An adjust It took adjustment for me to be around
Speaker 1: square guy because to me, if you were in the
Speaker 1: street niggas, you was just I couldn't hang with Like
Speaker 1: I'm not disrespectful.
Speaker 2: I just felt like you ain't supposed to be all right.
Speaker 2: But that ain't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know what, what what I've learned is
Speaker 3: he's not corny. You know, he's not corny. It's it's
Speaker 3: just an adjustice for me. Yeah, it's just adjustment.
Speaker 1: So you just got to do the adjusting. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's all it is, just to just reevaluate. Just check yourself.
Speaker 1: You gotta check yourself. You ain't gotta let everybody know
Speaker 1: you're checking yourself. But you know when you're wrong, because
Speaker 1: I know you know you're wrong because you just said
Speaker 1: I such and such and such and such.
Speaker 2: You know you're wrong. So check yourself before you get
Speaker 2: this nigga to check up out of you. Because if he.
Speaker 1: If he was og and he stuck, I mean he's established,
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna deal with no stress. That's the last
Speaker 1: thing we want. This is you on you you will
Speaker 1: say fuck it because it's another girl that's hoping to
Speaker 1: find a good nigga, you know, not to act like
Speaker 1: we like like we could do what we want to
Speaker 1: do backt the same time, it's it's just too much.
Speaker 2: Out here to be around here, be stressed out. So
Speaker 2: don't do that to your people.
Speaker 3: All right. So my takeaway is adjustment.
Speaker 2: Adjust, adjust, Adjust and check yourself.
Speaker 3: Adjust and check myself.
Speaker 2: It's my action. So adjust, No say check fuck adjust, check.
Speaker 3: Yourself, check myself.
Speaker 1: Oh your good man, check out his head busted the
Speaker 1: white meat? Yeah you, but no, man, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Couse anything else you want to ask anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got my takeaway.
Speaker 1: You got your takeaway, and you can pull out that
Speaker 1: to everything in life too, not just your relationship. It's
Speaker 1: an everything in life because, like you say, you're still
Speaker 1: on the ground running, because especially in this game, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be people that's gonna say some shit to rub
Speaker 1: you the wrong way, and especially if you've been a ship,
Speaker 1: you don't tolerate no.
Speaker 2: Disrespect at all.
Speaker 1: But you got to sometimes say you know what, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, because you ain't gonna gain ship
Speaker 1: from what you're gonna do. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So you gotta say, you know what, fuck this ship.
Speaker 1: It's a bigger purpose. It's a bigger thing. This little
Speaker 1: ship here. I dealt with way worse shit than this shit.
Speaker 1: So fuck And like you say, they square out here.
Speaker 1: That's what makes it even easier. You know, you were
Speaker 1: so used to being around tough shit that you want
Speaker 1: to be. But then when you get around the squall
Speaker 1: shit and they do ship the square away that tough shit.
Speaker 2: Don't work around that ship. So you gotta be you
Speaker 2: gotta kind of soften that ship up and take that
Speaker 2: street ship. All that shit we was tall, were young,
Speaker 2: it's worthless when you get this age. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Being aggressive, being tough, being being hard, it's worthless when
Speaker 1: you get this age. It is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So and sometimes too, like when you're saying, like a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes feeling the older you get it, don't
Speaker 1: be femin it's us. I think man gets you get
Speaker 1: more understanding and soft and an emotion. You touch into
Speaker 1: your emotions. And I used to see it a lot too.
Speaker 1: When when I used to see my og the niggas
Speaker 1: is older and member like Man, that nigga acting soft,
Speaker 1: But it wasn't that. It's just you get older and
Speaker 1: you see it for what it is, because I see
Speaker 1: me now.
Speaker 2: The older I get, the more I cry. I be
Speaker 2: crying about simple ship.
Speaker 1: You cry with movies, not movies, but like happy shit,
Speaker 1: like when people do happy shit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when I cried.
Speaker 1: I post about Michael J. Fox today and I cried
Speaker 1: about that motherfucker, yeah, because I was like, Man, this
Speaker 1: motherfucker's a tough motherfucker to be going through all this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just I admire him going through the what do
Speaker 1: he got the Parkerson this season? For him to still
Speaker 1: have the same the same energy and still be happy,
Speaker 1: still make jokes thirty years because he had had that
Speaker 1: shit for a long time. And then I just saw
Speaker 1: an interview He's like, yeah, still here and I'm tired
Speaker 1: of it. I don't know how long i can do it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, he's been fighting this shit for
Speaker 1: thirty years. So stuff like that be making me cry
Speaker 1: where I wouldn't have cried when I was younger, But
Speaker 1: now it's just simple happy shit make me cry. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like if some tough shit I
Speaker 1: turned back to I can tough shit. That shit don't
Speaker 1: bother me, like when Nigga's talking. That shouldn't even be
Speaker 1: soft shit to.
Speaker 2: Make me cry.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got my takeaway.
Speaker 2: You have to take away check myself. All right, Well,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: I hope you have a great journey in your life,
Speaker 1: not just your career, just your life.
Speaker 2: You know, what's your end game? Let me ask you that,
Speaker 2: what's your endgame in life?
Speaker 3: My end game is to leave my son and them
Speaker 3: in a better position than when I then I came
Speaker 3: into the world into I really want to tackle that
Speaker 3: mass incarceration, you know, tackle that mass incarceration, that butcidivism rate.
Speaker 3: I'm so passionate about kids, do Walter. It's just you know,
Speaker 3: at nature, you want to do it for the people. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, And it's it's way. It's not even about me.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just a vest with that God is using. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not about me at all, and I understand that,
Speaker 3: you know, so I move myself out of the equation.
Speaker 3: I just want to help this generation to.
Speaker 2: You know why.
Speaker 1: It's smart too, because first you said your kid he's
Speaker 1: gonna be grown. Then you gotta find another purpose, not
Speaker 1: just that, but you found purpose outside of all that.
Speaker 2: But you're programming it now. I remember what I was
Speaker 2: saying about programming.
Speaker 1: You already programming because that time gonna come when your
Speaker 1: son gonna say, all right, I don't need you mama
Speaker 1: no more and fly your grandkids they ain't gonn But
Speaker 1: you still got purpose and everything else for your own
Speaker 1: personal fulfillment. And that's where you're gonna find it.
Speaker 2: Are you good?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you got to go to school, you know.
Speaker 2: Just control that goddamn temple, right, just control that ship?
Speaker 2: You good?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, I gotta control my temp You're good.
Speaker 1: Keep that nigga around because he gonna control it. She
Speaker 1: ain't want to hear that all at y'all this bit.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listen to another episode of Conversation with Me,
Speaker 1: Little Duval.
Speaker 2: We got this bitch.
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