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Speaker 1: All right, Matt Strom got traded from the Phillies to

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Speaker 1: the Royals. You just heard Ken Rosenthal talk about it,

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Speaker 1: and Kratz is our Philly expert. He knows this team. Well,

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Speaker 1: so what happened here? Kratz? I mean, the Royals get

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Speaker 1: a great, very durable, reliable reliever, not a closer, but

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Speaker 1: leverage situations. Royals have been very active. The part that

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Speaker 1: I think we should start with is why are the

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Speaker 1: Phillies trading away a guy who's making seven and a

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Speaker 1: half million dollars this year and could be a very

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Speaker 1: valuable part of what three headed monster in terms of

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Speaker 1: left handed pitching that they have in that bullpen, which

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Speaker 1: is a nice luxury to have. The answer appears to

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Speaker 1: be a little money saving, but also some issues between

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Speaker 1: him and the team. We didn't get further details yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we will, but mackelb reported on how they're

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Speaker 1: is a growing rift between him and the team.

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Speaker 2: Who knows, I mean, obviously Matt gil wrote it, so

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Speaker 2: you know there's definitely some where there's smoke, there's fire.

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Speaker 2: But without talking to Strom, which I have a hard

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Speaker 2: time believing he's not gonna come on the show at

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Speaker 2: some point to talk about it, because he's very open

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Speaker 2: about things. When you're open and you're opinionated about things

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Speaker 2: and also you're good, sometimes that rubs people the wrong way.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes as a player you do need to check

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Speaker 2: yourself in the things that you say, But as coaches

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Speaker 2: sometimes you need to check yourself too and understand that, Hey,

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Speaker 2: you know what, players are going to say things in

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Speaker 2: the heat of the battle, in the heat of emotional

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Speaker 2: ups and downs of the season, and you know when

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Speaker 2: you hear there's like rifts from the front office or

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Speaker 2: coaching staff. Come on, man, Like you're talking about a

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Speaker 2: guy who was an All Star in twenty four. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he kind of had a down year compared to twenty

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Speaker 2: four All Star season, but I mean his twenty four

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Speaker 2: Except in his twenty four season he had like almost

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Speaker 2: it was a little over two months where he didn't

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Speaker 2: throw significant innings for you. And to me, it's it's

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Speaker 2: a prime case of what happened to the Phillies bullpen

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Speaker 2: last year. Yes, they added Johann Duran, but they had

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Speaker 2: already lost Jose Avlado.

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Speaker 3: Anytime you have to push all.

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Speaker 2: Your relievers up a little bit, you put them in

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Speaker 2: situations that maybe they would have been more successful had

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Speaker 3: Hit this part of the lineup.

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Speaker 2: And I think this trade pretty much was gonna happen

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Speaker 2: once they signed Brad Keller. Ironically, Brad Keller comes in,

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Speaker 2: used to be with the Royals, then Strom it used

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Speaker 2: to be of the Royals, is out. So you it's

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Speaker 2: funny how you know. It's a cyclical world in baseball.

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Speaker 2: But the strong trade and what Matt Gelb said is

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Speaker 2: interesting to me that they're willing to because we heard

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Speaker 2: some riffs about Costianos too, and we'll get to that

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Speaker 2: a little later. But they feel like those things need

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Speaker 2: to be cleaned up. And if that's the case, good

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Speaker 2: for the Phillies for trading a really good player. If

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Speaker 2: they truly felt like it was going to be an issue.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like strong Man. I've always liked him, you know,

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Speaker 4: I like hitting lefties. I remember facing him a bunch

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: It was like, oh, it looks so good and then whoop.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm any other team finding a way,

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Speaker 4: if I know about a guy like this, god, I

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Speaker 4: would you know, trade him for who womever? But another

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Speaker 4: great left handed pitcher. Ye know, what's what's going on

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Speaker 4: there in Philly town? Man, There's there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: little rifts going on, whether it's with coaching staff or

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Speaker 4: to be more to this story, like you said, because

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Speaker 4: there's always there's always something else. And you know, if

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Speaker 1: And I know Strom can get out lefties and righty's

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Speaker 1: and he is one of the what was it, it's

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Speaker 1: you still got two there. And remember they just replaced him.

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Speaker 1: not like they're losing a guy in the bullpen that

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Speaker 1: When you're paying eleven million dollars per season for a

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Speaker 1: we just spent eleven million bucks on brad Keller. We've

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's one of those things that

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Speaker 2: legit reliever like this until we know we have somebody

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Speaker 2: replace them. And ultimately, at the end of a season

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Speaker 2: And maybe they felt like they needed more to be

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Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think topper Rob Thompson, the

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Speaker 2: only base like this guy kills righty's. He you know,

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Speaker 1: Yep, and Kansas City has gotten a lot better the

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Speaker 3: Is it enough?

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Speaker 2: And everyone's gonna say the Ale Central is winnable. These

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Speaker 2: And it's tough to find slug in Kaufman. Like you

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Speaker 2: dudes that hit dingers in Kaufman, now we're talking a

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Speaker 2: different level. Even more so that doubles hitter, the doubles

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Speaker 1: And maybe one more big boy bat I mean Mike

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, one more like that. Either of those

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: I think the ongoing theme, as you've said one hundred

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Speaker 4: get one more big bat, and I think that's for

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Speaker 4: every single team. But yes, Marte, I've seen one of

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Speaker 4: the furthest policy's ever hit. When I played against him

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Speaker 4: So yeah, as long as you're doing something, teams are

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Speaker 4: but ultimately it seems like the same team's over and

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Speaker 3: What are the Royals okay? Trading?

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Speaker 2: Obviously, we have Rex Huddler on the other day and

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Speaker 2: a little we're worried about his you know, his makeup,

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Speaker 2: I didn't see the name of who it was Stonemas,

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Speaker 1: I don't know prout right now. Finally, Oh, a news

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. He's a writer. Jess Castianos

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Speaker 1: Jess Nick's wife posted, Oh, you guys would love it.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a future Nick Castiano's appearance on Foul

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Speaker 2: Look, Nick Castianos is outs above average, all the range

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Speaker 2: stuff everything. It's not very nice to Nick. You also

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Speaker 2: want to look up on Baseball Reference how many airs

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Speaker 2: I want to run this guy out of town. You

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Speaker 3: Maybe?

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Speaker 2: Is he winning a goal? Glove and right field? That's

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Speaker 2: leans right onto it. They're like, oh yeah, yeah, look

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Speaker 2: look at this terrible, terrible, terrible. Go watch him play,

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Speaker 2: Go watch him play, see where he starts for every play.

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Speaker 2: And then I went you to make your own evaluation.

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Speaker 4: I agree, I agree totally. You you are spot on

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Speaker 4: He gets to these balls and he's a great player.

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Speaker 4: That's been him. He speaks up about things, and there's

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Speaker 4: If he can't handle that, then move on. But he

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Speaker 4: Put him in right field. I there's two types of

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Speaker 2: And he also they're gonna we're gonna get We're gonna

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Speaker 2: And I think Nick truly believed he should have been

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Speaker 2: up with like Manny Machado play. You know, they all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still a big league ballplayer for me. If

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it'd say Nick Castianos.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, So those guys are just working in two

432
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Speaker 1: different worlds right now in terms of how can I

433
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Speaker 1: look at that.

434
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Speaker 4: If you can hit, I'm taking you over, you know,

435
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 4: an they've both.

436
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Speaker 1: Had no tail over. Yeah, but they're I'm just saying

437
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,719
Speaker 1: those two guys like there's a difference, but I just

438
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 1: don't think it's as much bit of a difference as

439
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Speaker 1: most of the public views.

440
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Speaker 2: There's also a difference in playing left field and right field.

441
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: I was crying for tay Oscar to play left field

442
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 2: last year. I thought they were doing him a disservice

443
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 2: because they had Confordo, who they just kept putting out there,

444
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 2: and they could have possibly upgraded in right field and

445
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: pushed Tayo where I think left field. Not to get

446
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: into the intricacies of it, but left field you can

447
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 2: mitigate a lot of the issues that right fielders are

448
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: getting dinged on the range and outs above average.

449
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Speaker 1: And then one more thing to comment on your batting

450
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Speaker 1: average situation. Do you guys know how many players hit

451
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Speaker 1: thrown three hundred or better this year internationally? No total

452
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Speaker 1: that hit three hundred better than When you say like,

453
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Speaker 1: because I agree, I still talk to plenty of fans

454
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Speaker 1: that watch the sport regularly and bring up batting average

455
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Speaker 1: so frequently like, oh, it isn't even it close to

456
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Speaker 1: three hundred. I'm like, bro, do you know how many

457
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: people hit three hundred in the big leagues this past season?

458
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Speaker 1: Give me a guest.

459
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: Guys this past season, I'm the National League was one.

460
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Speaker 2: I know that Trey Turner was less than.

461
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Speaker 1: Five seven total three hundred or better. Like Yondi Diaz

462
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: hit three hundred on the dot, Trey Turner three oh four,

463
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Speaker 1: Jeremy Paniea three oh four, George Springer three oh nine,

464
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Speaker 1: and we had three to eleven for Boba Schett and

465
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Speaker 1: Jacob Wilson and Judgy at three thirty one. That's it.

466
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Speaker 4: We had. Those guys had injuries too, so they missed

467
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Speaker 4: some time as well.

468
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean they were still hitters. But my

469
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Speaker 1: point is qualified, that's fucking how many people hit three

470
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Speaker 1: hundred anymore? Like relax when people are oh, it isn't

471
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Speaker 1: it you know even to eighty right the league average?

472
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Speaker 1: I think right now, what is it? Krats two forty

473
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Speaker 1: five or something like that, I'd still be part of

474
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Speaker 1: average most teams it was, Yeah, it.

475
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Speaker 2: Would be a trickle lower and it definitely is in

476
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Speaker 2: on base percentage. And Nick had it down year this year,

477
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Speaker 2: there's no doubt. But you're also talking about a guy

478
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Speaker 2: who can contribute at a higher level than what he

479
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: has in the last two years.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna deny that.

481
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 2: Nobody's and you know, my Philly Twitter account is going

482
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 2: to get get you know, roasted for saying that. But

483
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: the reality is you do want the best player out there.

484
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: Just be careful when you ask for an upgrade because

485
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: the grass isn't always greener. That's all I'm gonna say.

486
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Speaker 2: With getting rid of Nick Costianos.

487
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Speaker 1: The news is fast and furious today, let's get to

488
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: a manual class popping back up in the news. And

489
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: this story came out right before the show started, so

490
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Speaker 1: I did not read the full article yet, but we

491
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Speaker 1: like to bring it as soon as we can, and

492
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Speaker 1: I'll give you bits and pieces. The article from Evan

493
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Speaker 1: Drelik and Zach Maizel and The Athletic is titled before

494
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: Betting Probe MLB caught a manual Class A breaking cell

495
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: phone rules built for the sign stealing era, and it

496
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: talks about how Evan and Zach learned that MLB had

497
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: reprimanded Class A for impermissible cell phone use at least

498
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Speaker 1: once before knowledge of the entire betting scandal that came out.

499
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Speaker 1: And we know all about that story. We've done plenty

500
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Speaker 1: of videos on that, so you can look back. I mean,

501
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: he was involved allegedly, right, there's court case coming up

502
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: in helping betters on certain pitches that he was manipulating

503
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Speaker 1: to win bets. So the indictment here does cite an

504
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Speaker 1: instance of Luis Ortiz using his cell phone. He's the

505
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Speaker 1: other guy in that case, right or Te's and Class

506
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Speaker 1: A both will be in front of a court at

507
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Speaker 1: some point soon. But it was a Class A who

508
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Speaker 1: I guess apparently was using his cell phone. I'm kind

509
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: of learning this stuff as we go, But thoughts on

510
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: this one, guys, and could we show the other Evandralic

511
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: tweet or I can read it because I think that's

512
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Speaker 1: important context here, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, while we bring that up, Scott, Like I, when

514
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: I read the court case or when I read the indictment,

515
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: it said Class A minutes before going on to the

516
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: field made a phone call too. And I forget the

517
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: person's name, but made a phone call. I don't and

518
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Speaker 2: I didn't look more into it when I first read that,

519
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: I was like you mean minutes before he went out

520
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: to be on the field in like the sixth inning,

521
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: or did we mean like he had his cell phone

522
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Speaker 2: in the bullpen? Like I feel like we kind of

523
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: heard this, but then it kind of got glossed over.

524
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: So for this to come out to japers days, come.

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Speaker 1: On, I'll give you a little more here before Todd

526
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: Father time in so Evan Drelik said, MLB kept hearing

527
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: player complaints about the restrictions on cell phone usage that

528
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: was put in for sign stealing, so the league agreed

529
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: with the union before this past season to a change.

530
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Speaker 1: Cell phones were now allowed in clubhouses during games for

531
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Speaker 1: personal use. That wasn't the case because we had sign

532
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: stealing happening illegally within the game itself. We had issues

533
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: with phones being used in the past. So they were like, hey,

534
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: you can't use your phone during games, Todd Father. Here's

535
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: the problem. Players are like, yo, I might need to

536
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: use my phone for personal use during a game. There's

537
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Speaker 1: a lot of shit going on during life, and sometimes

538
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: the game can take three four hours. I mean, I

539
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: know they're shorter now so we're on an average too

540
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: and change, but you know what I'm saying, it could

541
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Speaker 1: be that day or somebody sick or whatever it is,

542
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: and you're not in the game and you need it,

543
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: so it starts to get dicey. Real life interferes with

544
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Speaker 1: what's going on with them trying to police sign stealing,

545
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: so they pushed that back. But then I guess class

546
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: they got caught before the betting probe doing other things

547
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: that were not following the league.

548
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: Rules the proto call, and and he got caught for

549
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: peds earlier in his career. So if we're talking about

550
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Speaker 2: all the things he got caught for, that's just a

551
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: lot that to it.

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Speaker 3: Thought.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I remember coming out of a game when they

554
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: first started doing that. You know, I got subbed in sixth,

555
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 4: seventh inning for a pinch hit or whatever. Going back

556
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: and trying to get changed, there was a guy in

557
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: there looking every little movie you did, and it was

558
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 4: it was kind of like you're like, come home, man,

559
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 4: I can't just take a peek at myself home, but

560
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 4: you don't.

561
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: Want to do it.

562
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Speaker 4: But yeah, if if he was doing this before games

563
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 4: and checking his phone and talking to people before even

564
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 4: before he went out there, man, it's tough because you know,

565
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: this just shows you about what was really happening, and

566
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 4: how big of this was and how problematic this was

567
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: for him. So oh man, it just seems there's more

568
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: turns and twists as we move forward here into close

569
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Speaker 4: to the baseball season.

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Speaker 1: How do you handle this krats in general, the cell

571
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: phone situation during games, because you know, I know some

572
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: fans are going to be watching this and go put

573
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: your fucking phone down for three hours. It's not like

574
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: they're sitting in the dugout with this. But can you

575
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: take us through the everyday nois of a major league

576
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: game and how sometimes you know, yeah, ship hops up,

577
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: that gets real. Your kid's got a one oh two

578
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: fevers in the hospital and you're out of the game

579
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: now and you want to get an update from your wife.

580
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: Like stuff like that happens pretty frequently. There's a lot

581
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Speaker 1: of players in the big leagues tell me I'm wrong.

582
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: No, that happens, one hundred percent. No, that happens.

583
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Speaker 2: I got called out of a spring training game one

584
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Speaker 2: time and somebody called the club, or my wife had

585
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: called the clubby and the club he came and got

586
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: me off the field, and you know, my son was

587
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: going into the hospital. This is back in like two

588
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: thousand and nine or ten, I forget.

589
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: But.

590
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Speaker 2: I would also be on the camp, the side of

591
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: the camp of get off your phone, like I don't

592
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: need you to be on your phone at work. Like

593
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: people who say, well, I need to be on my

594
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: cell phone are probably not that productive at work. Like

595
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: if you're always on your cell phone, I think there's

596
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: issues with that. But I also think in the middle

597
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Speaker 2: of a game, I don't think there's a lot that

598
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: you need to be on your phone. For the cases

599
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: you're talking about. Yes, I'll remember the late Jeremy Gonzalez

600
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: with an I. He was a pitcher. He was in

601
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Speaker 2: Triple A. He was trying to we were playing in Syracuse.

602
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: He was trying to get over. I think he went

603
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: to Korea or Japan. I'm not sure, but part way

604
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: through the season he was pitching. He would start. He

605
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: would come in after every single inning he pulled his

606
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: cell phone out, and I remember it because I'm like, man,

607
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: that's a big cell phone. All I had was a

608
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Speaker 2: flip phone at the time, and he's.

609
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Speaker 3: Like, I got to back it, yelling at it. I'm

610
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: yelling at something. Put it down. He'd go back out

611
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: and I was like, is he is he gonna do

612
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: that again? They go, Bro, you gotta come up here.

613
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: He's gonna yell it again next.

614
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: Inning, between innings, yell, yelled, yelling, whoever. He was yelling

615
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: at every single start. It was like ritual for him.

616
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: He was on his phone. I was like, it's maybe

617
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: a little bit too much. I like, I don't think

618
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: guys need to be on their cell phones. I have

619
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: a hard time, besides those emergencies, thinking you need to

620
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 2: be on your phone during a game. That's even if

621
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: it's a four hour game. Sorry, Like that's you, that's

622
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Speaker 2: your workday.

623
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Speaker 1: Right, So basically, you know you have the monitors, right,

624
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: I think they The article says there's three of them

625
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: now that are at games that are making sure that

626
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: there's no sign stealing.

627
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: There's one in the there's one in the video room.

628
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: There's one usually in the batting cages, which kind of

629
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: like connect the clubhouse, dugout video room, and then there's

630
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: one up in the clubhouse.

631
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Speaker 1: Okay, so with all of that, I mean, this might

632
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: already be happening. It's Hey, I've got an emergency situation

633
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with. Can I grab my phone and go

634
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: off to the side and make or something's okay. Yeah,

635
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: that's like, let's just have the human element here. This

636
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: is the human element.

637
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally that we have.

638
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't know enough about it, honestly, I'm

639
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: kind of learning as we go. It just sounds like,

640
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, they were already on Class a's case, and

641
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean the article it's long, so I just didn't

642
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: get to all of it. But you've got people in

643
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: there like, yeah, I think if someone's violating federal law

644
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: on facing jail time, they're not too concerned about MLB's

645
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: little rules about cell phones. So this is just an

646
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: outlier case. This guy is a rule breaker in the

647
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: past with certain things, and now an alleged law breaker

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Speaker 1: on a very big case that I'm sure is not

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Speaker 1: the last time I'm worried to cover