Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're still
Speaker 1: reeling over Meryl Streep's cameo in the SNL fifty special
Speaker 1: and Eddie Murphy as Tracy Morgan and the return of
Speaker 1: Linda Richmond.
Speaker 2: Y'all, I'm for klemped talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you
Speaker 2: a topic.
Speaker 1: Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island discuss.
Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, February eighteenth, and on today show, we'll be
Speaker 1: chatting with one of our absolute faves, Sam Muis, former
Speaker 1: US women's national team player, an editor in chief and
Speaker 1: host of the Women's Game podcast on the Men.
Speaker 2: And Blazers Network. We'll talk about the US roster for the.
Speaker 1: She Beliefs Cup, head coach Emma Hayes, desire to reimagine
Speaker 1: women's soccer, and a whirlwind off season full of weddings.
Speaker 1: Plus college hoops gets a ranking shakeup, it's a major award,
Speaker 1: and we get a little petty tender gress.
Speaker 2: It's all coming up right after this Welcome back slices.
Speaker 2: Here's what you need to know today.
Speaker 1: In hoops news, The Naysmith Basketball Hall of Fame announced
Speaker 1: the finalists for its class of twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 1: Sue Bird, Maya Moore, and Sylvia Fowls all.
Speaker 2: Made the cut.
Speaker 1: Byrd is a four time WNBA champ and a five
Speaker 1: time Olympic gold medalist with Team USA. She was also
Speaker 1: a thirteen time w All Star, good for the most
Speaker 1: appearances in league history. Moore won two golds with Team
Speaker 1: USA and played just seven seasons in the w but
Speaker 1: was a four time champ and a six time All Star.
Speaker 1: Fowls is a four time gold medalist, two time WNBA
Speaker 1: champ in a two time finals MVP. Molly Bolan, a
Speaker 1: star in the first ever women's Pro Basketball League, is
Speaker 1: also a finalist, and Jennifer Azy, who played in both
Speaker 1: the w and the American Basketball League, is as well.
Speaker 1: Fun fact, Yukon star Azy Fudd is named after Jennifer Azy.
Speaker 1: Next step will be the Nasmith Honors Committee considering these names,
Speaker 1: and then the new class will be announced on April fifth.
Speaker 1: At the NCAA Men's Final four to college hoops this
Speaker 1: weekend was Chaos.
Speaker 2: Number seven.
Speaker 1: Yukon made a statement against number four South Carolina, knocking
Speaker 1: off the game Cocks in Columbia eighty seven fifty eight.
Speaker 1: Yes you heard me right, eighty seven to fifty eight.
Speaker 1: That was a twenty nine point shalacking. And the aforementioned
Speaker 1: Azy Fudd, a grad student guard who's missed numerous games
Speaker 1: throughout her career due to injury, looked like the best
Speaker 1: player on the floor. She led the Huskies with twenty
Speaker 1: eight points and hit six threes in the win. Red Scherd,
Speaker 1: senior Page Beckers and freshman Sarah Strong added double doubles,
Speaker 1: the former posting twelve points in ten assis and the
Speaker 1: latter sixteen points and thirteen rebounds. Beckers also moved up
Speaker 1: to number eleven Connecticut's all time scoring list during the game.
Speaker 1: Here's the call moments after it happened, right in front
Speaker 1: of the player she passed on the list, Rebecca Lobo.
Speaker 2: Take a listen.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a significant bucket there. Oh sorry, partner,
Speaker 3: Date Becker is just poet by you.
Speaker 1: We need the mister.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 3: We were going to cut the crassed off at eleven,
Speaker 3: but we thought alters updates the page. Backer's down two
Speaker 3: thy one hundred and thirty six points, accounting just twenty
Speaker 3: behind D on that list as well.
Speaker 2: That's impressive, by the way.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Rebecca Lobo because she keeps me giggling
Speaker 1: with her posts about her kids. So remember a few
Speaker 1: months ago she got the late night text from her
Speaker 1: daughter in college who said, quote, what was the deal
Speaker 1: with the gold medal and starting the WNBA and stuff?
Speaker 1: I need it for an assignment end quote. Well, this
Speaker 1: time it was a friend of her daughter who texted
Speaker 1: her using her married name Russian and said, quote, hi,
Speaker 1: missus Russian, you just got mentioned in conversation with my friends,
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm friends with the family, and my
Speaker 1: friend goes to be honest, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: She was still alive. I am dead. Please keep sharing
Speaker 2: these kids, keeping you humble. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Right after the Yukon SC game number three, Texas hosted
Speaker 1: number five LSU and an SEC clash and set the
Speaker 1: Tiger's home holding the sixty five fifty eight l just
Speaker 1: their second loss of the season. Friend of the Show
Speaker 1: in Longhorn, sophomore Madison Booker paced Texas with a sixteen
Speaker 1: point ten board double double, while senior guard Rory Harmon
Speaker 1: added five assists and ten points, including a couple clutch
Speaker 1: buckets down the stretch. Also got a shout out Lsusannissa Moro.
Speaker 1: She had fifteen points and twenty rebounds in the losing effort.
Speaker 1: That's her fifth straight game in double digits and her
Speaker 1: fourth twenty rebound game of the season. Over in the ACC,
Speaker 1: number ten NC State and number twelve UNC went down
Speaker 1: to the wire in Chapel Hill, Tar Hills pulled out
Speaker 1: a sixty six to sixty five upset thanks to two
Speaker 1: big free throws by Grace Townsend with less than five
Speaker 1: seconds left in the game. Sophomore guard Brnia Kelly set
Speaker 1: a new career high in the win and led UNC
Speaker 1: with twenty three points, including five made threes. Also, we
Speaker 1: can't forget the big one last Thursday night in the
Speaker 1: Big ten, number six USC upsetting Number one UCLA at
Speaker 1: the Galen Center seventy one to sixty, the Bruins'.
Speaker 2: First loss of the season.
Speaker 1: Trojan sophomore sensation Juju Watkins was unbelievable in that game,
Speaker 1: thirty eight points, eleven rebounds, eight blocks, and five assists
Speaker 1: per ESPN. That performance made are the first Division One
Speaker 1: player of any gender in the last twenty seasons with
Speaker 1: at least thirty five points, five blocks, and five assists.
Speaker 1: And speaking of sensational performances. How about Vanderbilt's MICHAELA. Blakes,
Speaker 1: who scored a Division one women's freshman record fifty five
Speaker 1: points on Sunday in a ninety eight eighty eight OT
Speaker 1: victory over Auburn. That was her second fifty plus point
Speaker 1: performance of the season. Freshmen, y'all, unbelievable. Top twenty five
Speaker 1: seating has totally changed thanks to all those contests, so
Speaker 1: we'll link to this week's restructured AP Top twenty five
Speaker 1: in our.
Speaker 2: Show notes More hoops.
Speaker 1: We know the unrival players are still out of breath
Speaker 1: from the one v one tournament, but they got to
Speaker 1: get back out there for regular season. Three on three
Speaker 1: play tonight Rose versus Vinyl at seven thirty Eastern and
Speaker 1: Phantom versus Laces at eight thirty eastern. You can catch
Speaker 1: those games on TNT now. The one v one Queen
Speaker 1: Nafisa Collier two hundred thousand dollars richer after her victory
Speaker 1: on Friday, and her lunar owls teammates heavier in the
Speaker 1: wallet by ten thousand each. Thanks to her dub They
Speaker 1: get to enjoy the spoils of victory a little longer.
Speaker 1: They don't return to play till Friday to the Mats
Speaker 1: and the Bars. Friday wasn't just Valentine's Day, it was
Speaker 1: also the Super Bowl of NCAA Gymnastics. The nation's two
Speaker 1: best programs, number two LSU and number one Oklahoma went
Speaker 1: head to head down in Baton Rouge, and the Tigers
Speaker 1: took down the Sooners by a margin of just zero
Speaker 1: point three seven five. LSU posted Season I scores involved
Speaker 1: and on the floor in the win, and it was
Speaker 1: OU's first loss of the twenty twenty five season to lacrosse.
Speaker 1: The WL Championship series is over and the Boston Guard
Speaker 1: are the first champions in league history. Boston down the
Speaker 1: New York Charging twenty two to seventeen on Monday for
Speaker 1: the win. Still waiting to hear what's next for the
Speaker 1: league with the Pick, some videos we've seen of fans
Speaker 1: swarming players like Guard captain Charlotte North postgame make us
Speaker 1: super hopeful for what lies ahead. The Maryland charm were
Speaker 1: eliminated from competition on Saturday, but in the postgame press conference,
Speaker 1: goalkeeper Kaylee Waters expressed her gratitude for the opportunity to
Speaker 1: suit up. It was pretty moving listen to this.
Speaker 5: I held my head walking out, but I saw these girls,
Speaker 5: heard these girls calling my name asking for autographs. I
Speaker 5: don't know why I'm getting worked up, but you know,
Speaker 5: so I wanted to stay out there and do the
Speaker 5: autographs because I felt better than being in the locker
Speaker 5: room and thinking about possibly not having another game. You know,
Speaker 5: the game just means a lot on and off the field,
Speaker 5: and I think this experience has really allowed myself and
Speaker 5: everyone to connect with what's out there. It's brought the
Speaker 5: crowd to us. It's really put it in our hands
Speaker 5: the impact and influence that we have. So I really
Speaker 5: just thank everyone for being here, everyone who put this on.
Speaker 5: You know, win or lose. I'd rather have the opportunity
Speaker 5: to lose than not.
Speaker 2: Play at all.
Speaker 5: So thank you, Paul, Rachel, Mike, everyone for this who
Speaker 5: made this possible.
Speaker 1: Well, you're tugging on our heart strengths, Kaylee, so agree,
Speaker 1: and I hope there's more for this league in these players.
Speaker 1: If you want to check out either of those WL videos,
Speaker 1: will throw them in the show notes. Finally, in Dude Hoops,
Speaker 1: MNBA All Star Weekend came and went, and if you
Speaker 1: ask me, I still haven't found the formula to top
Speaker 1: WNBA All Star This year's festivities featured a lot of
Speaker 1: remixes on old formats, some that work better than others,
Speaker 1: but what stood out to us was there was no
Speaker 1: stuff Curry, Sabring and Escu three.
Speaker 2: Point shootout rematch now.
Speaker 1: When asked why the league chose not to bring back
Speaker 1: the contest that broke the internet, MNBA Commissioner Adam Silver
Speaker 1: said it felt forced this year in contrast to the
Speaker 1: sort of organic way things unfolded in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: They couldn't find a way to top it, they said,
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 1: I think if Caitlin Clark had been in, that would
Speaker 1: have been the step up that they were looking.
Speaker 2: For from last year.
Speaker 1: But Clark said she wants her three point contest debut
Speaker 1: to be at the WNBA All Star Game in her
Speaker 1: team's home city of Indye this summer, and honestly, we
Speaker 1: love that she's save in that juice and that attention
Speaker 1: for the women's game. A quick note to share with
Speaker 1: our beloved slices.
Speaker 2: Our little show.
Speaker 1: Not yet even a year old, just got some big news.
Speaker 1: We're nominated in the Best Sports Podcast category for the Ambies,
Speaker 1: the Podcast Academy's Awards for Excellence and Audio. We're up
Speaker 1: against some other wonderful nominees, including a few friends who
Speaker 1: are now obviously enemies, Jamel Hill, Pablo Torre, Rich Eisen.
Speaker 1: The awards are March thirty first and in Chicago this year,
Speaker 1: with the hilarious and wonderful Tig Nataro hosting. Now, this
Speaker 1: is a relatively new award show, just the fifth iteration,
Speaker 1: but we're told it's a major award, so we're big
Speaker 1: happy about it. Send us your good juju for the win.
Speaker 1: And while we're celebrating good show news, I will be
Speaker 1: at the iHeart Podcast Awards in Austin, Texas on March
Speaker 1: tenth to receive one of the three Icon Awards, paying
Speaker 1: tribute to the creators, organizations and podcasts that have made
Speaker 1: groundbreaking industry contributions. So I'm getting the twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: Social Impact Award for championing equity and sports. It's coverage,
Speaker 1: equal pay for female athletes, and better investment in women's
Speaker 1: sports infrastructure.
Speaker 2: I am super.
Speaker 1: Honored and I can't wait for that, and just grateful
Speaker 1: that the show is so new and already being recognized.
Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. Okay, that's enough patting ourselves on the back.
Speaker 1: I mean for now at least. I'm sure we'll do
Speaker 1: it in the future, but we got to take a
Speaker 1: quick break when we come back. Sam mwis Queen of
Speaker 1: the Women's Game, our favorite soccer pod, both the Friendlies
Speaker 1: and the Good Vibes FC episodes.
Speaker 2: She's gonna join.
Speaker 1: Us to get another stamp on her Good Game punch card.
Speaker 2: That's next joining us again.
Speaker 1: She's a former professional soccer player, World Cup winner, Olympic
Speaker 1: bronze medalist, three time NWSL champion, at NCAA champion. She's
Speaker 1: now the host of the Fantastic The Women's Game podcast,
Speaker 1: part of the Men in Blazer's digital network, The Tower
Speaker 1: of Power, Mother of Finn Wedding Attendee of the Year
Speaker 1: it's Sammy Mwis.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Sam, Hi.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I don't think I do Wedding
Speaker 4: Attendee of the Year. I think that award exclusively goes
Speaker 4: to a listenaer who went to literally every single wedding
Speaker 4: that we saw this off season.
Speaker 2: I love to hear that because I love a lessonnaire.
Speaker 1: But she's also you know, she's uncle there, you like
Speaker 1: you just I love that everybody wants her there and that.
Speaker 2: She knows to be there. That's fine. I know here.
Speaker 1: I know that brings us to the wedding speed round,
Speaker 1: which is actually what we're starting with. How many did
Speaker 1: you go to this offseason?
Speaker 4: I went to three, which is not very many, considering
Speaker 4: two of them where Lynn Williams is Lynn bian Doola's.
Speaker 1: See, we're all working on that. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: new names to remember. What's the wildest thing you saw
Speaker 1: one of those three weddings.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the wildest, but I thought
Speaker 4: the coolest thing was at Steph McCaffrey's wedding. They played
Speaker 4: man I Feel like a Woman, like right after they
Speaker 4: walked down the aisle after doing their vows, and like
Speaker 4: it was right after the ceremony, so everybody was like surprised,
Speaker 4: and it was like such a fun first dance song
Speaker 4: that like everybody kind of got up and was just
Speaker 4: singing and dancing and it was like the coolest post
Speaker 4: vow moment ever. It was really sweet.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: And also, of course Lynn wearing a wedding dress that
Speaker 1: her father in law made her by my I mean, I.
Speaker 4: Know what both weddings and her husband Marlee also wore
Speaker 4: suits that his father had. Crazy was such a beautiful gesture.
Speaker 4: And I just love Marley's dad so much. He's like
Speaker 4: one of my favorite people ever.
Speaker 2: That's so cute.
Speaker 1: Okay, which one of those three ceremonies. Did you have
Speaker 1: the biggest headache?
Speaker 4: After Oh my god, Lynn's First Lynn's first wedding? I
Speaker 4: had an ungodly amount of There were these pink margaritas
Speaker 4: and like, and I don't usually drink margarita's, but they
Speaker 4: were so good and I just kept it was like
Speaker 4: a whole scene. But after Steph McCaffrey's I did, I
Speaker 4: was a little bit ill. I was, I was talking
Speaker 4: you went hard.
Speaker 2: Last one?
Speaker 1: Do you have a go to wedding gift or you
Speaker 1: just like straight off the registry?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 4: First Steph McCaffrey, who's like one of my oldest like
Speaker 4: kind of childhood friends, she's like from my area. I
Speaker 4: got them a guest book from the museum in Boston
Speaker 4: where they got engaged, and then like the guests like
Speaker 4: signed in the cover. So that was like a beautiful,
Speaker 4: creative gift that I was actually really proud of. And
Speaker 4: then for Lynz, I actually think I just thought my
Speaker 4: gift was going to both and going to California and Australia.
Speaker 4: So I didn't actually get her anything else.
Speaker 1: Fair fair, just like just frame the ticket that you
Speaker 1: had to buy to face out exactly. Okay, So things
Speaker 1: were very different the last time you were on the show.
Speaker 1: You were on last August alongside Coast Becky Sowerbrun. Becky
Speaker 1: hadn't yet retired, the US hadn't yet won gold in Paris.
Speaker 1: We didn't yet know via the off season that Nicki
Speaker 1: Stanton pee's a little every time she does a slide tackle.
Speaker 1: There's just these were much simpler times. Now we have
Speaker 1: Emma Hayes as our Lord and savior.
Speaker 2: It's official.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows uh someone who's getting married or retiring, and
Speaker 1: we're speeding toward the first big event of the year,
Speaker 1: which is the She Beliefs Cup.
Speaker 2: So let's start there.
Speaker 1: What stood out to you about the roster drop for
Speaker 1: this upcoming She Believes Cup.
Speaker 4: First and foremost, the balance of player who were on
Speaker 4: the Olympic roster last year, plus a bunch of young, new,
Speaker 4: exciting players. I think there's four first time call ups.
Speaker 4: Claire Hutton from Kansas City, who I've really been rooting
Speaker 4: for is like a fellow midfielder. I'm excited for her.
Speaker 4: Yasmin and Ryan I think has been making a statement
Speaker 4: in the NBBSL and is continuing to get these call ups,
Speaker 4: so I'm excited for her. The sisters Alyssa and Giselle Thompson.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you have a special place
Speaker 1: in your heart for the first pair of sisters since
Speaker 1: the Muies.
Speaker 4: I do have a special vismer. I'm really rooting for them.
Speaker 4: It's such a fun and unique experience to be in
Speaker 4: national team camp with your sister. And I actually had
Speaker 4: them both on my podcast together at the end of
Speaker 4: last year, which was just so fun. I think that
Speaker 4: dynamic is just really special and something really only three
Speaker 4: pairs of sisters ever, us the Thompson's and the Fairs
Speaker 4: can kind of say that we've experienced. So I'm excited
Speaker 4: for them and proud of them. And then the other
Speaker 4: thing is the goalkeeper. I think that's kind of the
Speaker 4: big storyline heading into this camp.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Ready, I know, I'm not ready to say goodbye to
Speaker 4: a listener. We still get to see in Chicago, So
Speaker 4: you're lucky, you're going to be there, but seeing Jane
Speaker 4: Campbell come back, who has a lot of experience with
Speaker 4: this team, she's been to multiple Olympics. Seeing Mandy McGlynn
Speaker 4: who's back in, who's been making a statement with the
Speaker 4: Utah Royals, and then seeing Valentellis Joyce, who's going to
Speaker 4: be a training player. She's not on the game roster,
Speaker 4: but she's been doing great for Man United. We know
Speaker 4: her name when she played for Seattle, but she's been
Speaker 4: crushing it across the pond. So I'm excited to see
Speaker 4: if she can continue to get these call ins.
Speaker 1: So much pressure at that position, Like there can be
Speaker 1: an incredible player at any position on the field that
Speaker 1: retires or moves on, and everyone's going to mourn their departure,
Speaker 1: but no one's going to be like all eyes on
Speaker 1: whoever's there quite the same way as the goaltender that
Speaker 1: steps into that position post Alyssenaire. Every little mistake, every
Speaker 1: little moment is going to be so overanalyzed. I feel
Speaker 1: for those players stepping into that legacy. Of all the
Speaker 1: young players you mentioned four uncapped and ten players with
Speaker 1: four or fewer caps, any of those are particular that
Speaker 1: you're looking at that you're like Oh, I can't wait
Speaker 1: for us to get a good look at this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean this forward's list has such a great balance.
Speaker 4: I think obviously we're missing Triple Espresso, Sophia Trinity mal
Speaker 4: not coming into this camp again. But what's really exciting
Speaker 4: about this is again that same balance I mentioned before.
Speaker 4: Players who have experience are coming back into camp Kat Maccario,
Speaker 4: Lynn Biandolo, but then there's just this array of new
Speaker 4: player as Ali sent Noor, who's actually from my hometown
Speaker 4: at Hanson, Massachusetts. I'm so excited to see her name
Speaker 4: on this list. Lily Johannes, who has a little bit
Speaker 4: of experience the Pasal team, but she's this huge young
Speaker 4: storyline who moved to the Netherlands, plays for i AX,
Speaker 4: could have maybe played for the Netherlands national team, but
Speaker 4: chose the US and we're all so excited to have her.
Speaker 4: So I'm really focused, I think on this midfield's kind
Speaker 4: of array of talent to see how Jadenshaw is doing.
Speaker 4: I hear that she's doing so great in the North
Speaker 4: Carolina Courage preseason, but we really missed out on seeing
Speaker 4: her last year's Olympics. After such a great kind of
Speaker 4: start to twenty twenty four, So I'm excited to see
Speaker 4: if Jadenshaw can kind of showcase herself back in that
Speaker 4: top form after dealing with what I imagine was a really
Speaker 4: difficult injury during the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got me so excited remembering.
Speaker 1: Some of these names that like we've gotten a little
Speaker 1: taste of and then either because of injury otherwise, like
Speaker 1: Lily Johannes is such an incredible story and getting to
Speaker 1: see some of that, I'm.
Speaker 2: Really really excited about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned that there's also some vets, including Emily's Sonnet.
Speaker 1: She's gonna get her one hundred caps celebration before the
Speaker 1: match against Columbia.
Speaker 2: Do you have a fave Sonnet story?
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Well, first of all, I have been
Speaker 4: trying to get this name. Sonnet believes cup to catch
Speaker 4: on because I this is her tenth. She believes there
Speaker 4: have been ten tournaments on every single one nobody else's.
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody else has done that. Obviously, she's
Speaker 4: won seven of them, so this could be her eighth.
Speaker 4: Whenever I think about Sonnet, we have so many memories together,
Speaker 4: her and Rose, like pulling pranks on me in the
Speaker 4: Bellamar Hotel in Manhattan Beach during national team camp, scaring
Speaker 4: me in the stairwell sharing goldfish night. Like, Sonnet is
Speaker 4: one of my oldest friends, and I do have a
Speaker 4: very vivid picture in my mind when we were alternates
Speaker 4: at the twenty sixteen Olympics together. It was really where
Speaker 4: our friendship went through its most trying time. It was
Speaker 4: really difficult to be an alternate. And we were running
Speaker 4: sprints just me and Sonnet after a practice because we
Speaker 4: weren't playing in the games. We didn't get what we
Speaker 4: needed in the practice because it wasn't meant for us,
Speaker 4: and we just looked at each other, like, someday we
Speaker 4: are gonna be so grateful that we were here and
Speaker 4: that we were doing these goddamn sprints right now, And
Speaker 4: I think it's it's right now. Sauna getting our one
Speaker 4: hundredth cap is such a huge deal to me because
Speaker 4: I never reached that milestone. But to have somebody that
Speaker 4: I really was arm in arm with my whole career
Speaker 4: on the national team, from like the lowest of times
Speaker 4: to the best of times, that's Saun it for me,
Speaker 4: and so for her to reach it, I feel this
Speaker 4: like it's really this huge monumental moment for her, and
Speaker 4: I'm just so proud of her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, her body is your body.
Speaker 1: She's carrying the dre on for you, and she is in.
Speaker 2: The way that you were unable to.
Speaker 4: She is she's got those good nies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Goodniees.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Emma Hayes and the recent
Speaker 1: reporting around her goal to sort of fundamentally re imagine
Speaker 1: women's soccer from coaching to performance scientists to data analysts
Speaker 1: to marketing exacts. She wants to lead everyone that is
Speaker 1: connected into the women's game in any way in a
Speaker 1: thought exercise that sort of asks what would this look
Speaker 1: like if we weren't copying the men's game and if
Speaker 1: we actually designed everything from drills to uniforms to marketing
Speaker 1: for women. This was incredible to hear and to see
Speaker 1: her thoughts on this.
Speaker 2: What was your take on it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lynn Williams and I, lind Bian dol and I
Speaker 4: talked a lot about this on our episode of Good Vibes.
Speaker 4: We're so excited. I think that women's soccer in the
Speaker 4: US has been waiting for a kind of three hundred
Speaker 4: and sixty degree approach to our sport, our bodies, our
Speaker 4: experience to really be implemented, and I think Emma is
Speaker 4: right to say that for so long, studies for soccer
Speaker 4: players have been based on a seventy kilogram male athlete
Speaker 4: playing in England, and that's the only data that we have.
Speaker 4: And so for Emma to come in and really spearhead
Speaker 4: this change and this kind of what will be a
Speaker 4: trickle down effect in the program in US Soccer and
Speaker 4: the NBCL, even in the Super League, it's like it's
Speaker 4: been a long time coming and I feel so grateful
Speaker 4: to Emma for realizing how important this is. I think
Speaker 4: one of my biggest takeaways what was that she wants
Speaker 4: to implement this board of people who will oversee players
Speaker 4: when they're with the national team, with they're with their
Speaker 4: club teams, when they're when they're at home training, because
Speaker 4: I think that the communication between national team and club
Speaker 4: team has always been a little bit off, and I
Speaker 4: think that for a group of people to be overseeing
Speaker 4: the whole well rounded athlete and considering what's best for
Speaker 4: them where they are in their mental cycle, how much
Speaker 4: they're traveling going back and forth from club to country,
Speaker 4: I think it's just a huge deal and it's so
Speaker 4: important that Emma is implementing this. Now we have this
Speaker 4: break in the cycle, she can get a lot done.
Speaker 4: We have this thirty million dollar gift from Michelle King,
Speaker 4: and that's really going to, I think, support this movement
Speaker 4: to improve the experience for women athletes in the us
Speaker 4: ACA program.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way you're talking about it has me thinking
Speaker 1: about this interesting nuance where you're both humans and products,
Speaker 1: because ultimately, if you had essentially two major businesses that
Speaker 1: shared an important product, they would have to communicate about
Speaker 1: that product. And in this sense, there hasn't been great
Speaker 1: communication from the national team to the clubs about what's
Speaker 1: going to make that product work right. And we saw
Speaker 1: it unfortunately after the Olympics with some players that had
Speaker 1: plans to come back to the NWSL and couldn't because
Speaker 1: of injuries that they felt were sustained with their national
Speaker 1: team because of mishandling. And so that is the same
Speaker 1: case that has to happen here in terms of the
Speaker 1: US communicating with clubs. I also think, you know, when
Speaker 1: you are not intentional about seeing the ways things are
Speaker 1: made for men, it's easy to miss them. And when
Speaker 1: you suddenly decide to take your gaze and look at
Speaker 1: it and say, what might have been made with men
Speaker 1: in mind is the default. It suddenly becomes clear everywhere.
Speaker 1: There's this great book in Visible Women. It's about exposing
Speaker 1: like data bias in a world that's designed for men,
Speaker 1: in all the spaces that we don't even think about
Speaker 1: it as simple as like what temperature.
Speaker 2: Rooms are and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like she's like applying that mindset
Speaker 1: to this. And one thing she said is she wants
Speaker 1: you to ask soccer to have a distinct women's coaching
Speaker 1: education department, so the licenses would be specifically tailored to
Speaker 1: women's soccer, so physiologically, anatomically, technically, tactically.
Speaker 2: Psychologically, socially, and emotionally, which.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, duh, I know. I mean, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the sports bra. It's like, yeah, duh, why
Speaker 1: didn't we have a bar that you could go to
Speaker 1: that had all the women's sports? And now I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: do why don't we have licenses specific.
Speaker 2: To women's sports? Because one thing this feels like to
Speaker 2: me is this could be.
Speaker 1: The step that we need to help solve the problem
Speaker 1: of abuse and toxicity that's so rampant in women's soccer,
Speaker 1: Like having people have to get actual training specific not
Speaker 1: just to soccer, but to women.
Speaker 2: Does that feel like to you that could be this
Speaker 2: important step?
Speaker 4: I think that, I mean, this mindset and this approach
Speaker 4: to the women's game is certainly leading us along a
Speaker 4: better path towards preventing abuse and harassment, like we have
Speaker 4: just recently been talking so much about with the settlement
Speaker 4: fund coming home with the Nbasel. And I think to
Speaker 4: your point earlier Emma's inclusion of this licensing for coaches
Speaker 4: to be trained and licensed for the women's game, there
Speaker 4: are tactical differences in the game. I was reading in
Speaker 4: this article about the expected goals ratio that has been
Speaker 4: studied in the men's game doesn't always apply in the
Speaker 4: same way to the women's game. And why is that?
Speaker 4: We have no idea and we should figure that out,
Speaker 4: even as much as the type of hotels that the
Speaker 4: team is staying in to account for our women gathering
Speaker 4: in social spaces differently than the men are, and can
Speaker 4: we consider that when we're putting our team here for
Speaker 4: a month, shouldn't we consider the spaces that we're being
Speaker 4: social And I find it so fascinating and I'd love
Speaker 4: to read that book that you suggest. I think we
Speaker 4: can all learn so much more about this because we
Speaker 4: do all kind of go through our lives not even
Speaker 4: realizing how much of the world is designed for men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, put the link to the book in the
Speaker 1: show notes. Everyone should read. It's everything from like crash
Speaker 1: Dummies to you know, science studies and medical studies and everything,
Speaker 1: and how much there is intention behind everything. Just because
Speaker 1: it arrives to us already done doesn't mean that somebody
Speaker 1: didn't plan it when they started it. I have a
Speaker 1: quick question for you that I've asked a number of
Speaker 1: people in the soccer space, and I'm wondering if you
Speaker 1: have a brilliant thought on it. I know that there's
Speaker 1: abuse across girls and women's sports of every kind, but
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it feels to me like soccer has
Speaker 1: a prevalence that's different. And a lot of the spaces
Speaker 1: it might be an overseeing body or one person who
Speaker 1: manages an entire national team that's the problem. But in soccer,
Speaker 1: it's like, how does this happen on so many teams
Speaker 1: in so many spaces, in so many countries.
Speaker 2: And I'm my.
Speaker 1: Theory, which is terrible, probably, but is that there's a
Speaker 1: subjectivity to the sport that allows coaches to use their
Speaker 1: power dynamic differently, like with five starters in basketball, and
Speaker 1: a very clear idea of like who's out there doing
Speaker 1: the best. It's a little harder to threaten someone with
Speaker 1: benching or to not play them and claim that it's
Speaker 1: for a valid reason, versus with soccer. There's a lot
Speaker 1: more players. You can claim it's a strategic difference or
Speaker 1: that someone's just not a fit.
Speaker 2: Is that part of it?
Speaker 1: Is there more power in the coach to make those
Speaker 1: decisions and hold them over players.
Speaker 4: I don't have any opposition to what you just said.
Speaker 4: I haven't necessarily thought about it in terms of the
Speaker 4: subjectivity of the sport, but I find that interesting. I've
Speaker 4: heard Tobin Heath talk about this before and describe it
Speaker 4: as kind of US soccer having a monopoly on the dream.
Speaker 4: And when you're a little girl and you are watching
Speaker 4: the national team play, there was as I was growing
Speaker 4: up and a lot of players in my generation, there
Speaker 4: was one path to get to that team. There was
Speaker 4: one way to do it. You had to go through
Speaker 4: the system. You had to get called into the youth
Speaker 4: national teams. You had to go to a good college,
Speaker 4: you had to play in whatever league was available and
Speaker 4: put up with whatever abuses were going on, and you
Speaker 4: had to do all of these right and career steps
Speaker 4: while being watched by US Soccer to then make the
Speaker 4: national team. There's only one path. And that's kind of
Speaker 4: how I've maybe thought about why it has seemed more
Speaker 4: rampant in our sport or more prevalent right now. I
Speaker 4: also think we have been going through this reckoning and
Speaker 4: we are dealing with it head on, and it feels
Speaker 4: very much so out there and in the media right now,
Speaker 4: and I think that for the future and the growth
Speaker 4: of the game, we are grappling with it, and that
Speaker 4: is in the hopes that in the future it will
Speaker 4: get better and go and we can prevent it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna have to have like a round table
Speaker 1: of the soccer minds and maybe folks from other sports too,
Speaker 1: because I'm interested in hearing like if they all got
Speaker 1: together and talked, would they be able to root out
Speaker 1: some of the primary reasons and could we work on
Speaker 1: either the pipelines or the people in charge in those
Speaker 1: places or whatever to help stop it in all the
Speaker 1: different sports and spaces. Have you heard from players playing
Speaker 1: under Emma about how this approach and her view on
Speaker 1: things is already clear in the way she coaches or
Speaker 1: works with them.
Speaker 4: Well, so it's funny that you asked that. I did
Speaker 4: just recently talk to Lynn about this, and she was saying, Yes,
Speaker 4: they're doing a lot of new menstrual cycle tracking, and
Speaker 4: that was something that even when I was on the
Speaker 4: national team maybe five six years ago, we were starting
Speaker 4: to implement that. I mean, we always had these surveys
Speaker 4: that we filled out every morning to kind of track
Speaker 4: our wellness and how we were feeling, and the menstrual
Speaker 4: cycle started to become part of that. But Linn says,
Speaker 4: they're talking more about the science of when you're in
Speaker 4: this phase of your cycle, you actually don't need to
Speaker 4: lift as heavy because the stimulus on your body is
Speaker 4: just as much since your body is being drained by
Speaker 4: maybe where you are in your cycle. So I think
Speaker 4: that as they start to do more work in that area,
Speaker 4: that will tie into nutrition, understanding when you're ovulating, understanding
Speaker 4: what changes you need to make throughout your cycle. So
Speaker 4: she said specifically that in that area some of those
Speaker 4: changes have been made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I actually moderated a panel at the Gatorade Sports Science
Speaker 1: Institute with like the leading global expert on that, and
Speaker 1: the research is still not good enough to make sweeping changes,
Speaker 1: but it's useful to track and think about. And there
Speaker 1: are some teams and clubs that have gone public with
Speaker 1: saying that we're going to try to practice based on
Speaker 1: when people are ovulating and sinking, and they found that
Speaker 1: there's actually not a lot of good research behind doing that,
Speaker 1: but there is plenty to be learned by studying the
Speaker 1: parts of the cycle and how they affect lifting and
Speaker 1: everything else. Kate Ackerman, who's a doctor who works with
Speaker 1: the WUSAYE lines that got a massive grant to try
Speaker 1: to understand this stuff, particularly women's bodies in elite performance,
Speaker 1: is kind of helping wrangle all these different people that
Speaker 1: are studying that. And I'll be fascinated to see if
Speaker 1: the US women's national team ends up getting enough research
Speaker 1: to contribute to things like that at the highest level,
Speaker 1: because part of it is there's just a dearth of
Speaker 1: data in the women's space to actually provide enough to
Speaker 1: know that you can move forward with decisions about how
Speaker 1: something like ovulating might affect your performance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think even this comment that Emma made, how
Speaker 4: she only called into goalkeepers for on three player roster,
Speaker 4: that's unusual. Normally on a twenty three player roster there
Speaker 4: would be three. But even Emma saying I wanted an
Speaker 4: extra field player because these players are still in preseason
Speaker 4: and I need access to more subs, even that, to
Speaker 4: me is Emma showing her awareness of where these players
Speaker 4: are at in their year, in the cycle of their year.
Speaker 4: They're coming off of an offseason. Sure, they had this
Speaker 4: January camp, they had the futures camp. They are in
Speaker 4: preseason with their club teams, but how many of these
Speaker 4: players are ready to play ninety minutes three games in
Speaker 4: a row.
Speaker 2: Fair?
Speaker 4: It was so smart of Emma. And it stinks to
Speaker 4: be the third goalkeeper who's not going to be on
Speaker 4: the game rosters. But it's showing this thoughtfulness from Emma
Speaker 4: that I don't know that we've seen before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you think of specific ways that this approach
Speaker 1: being around in your playing days might have affected you?
Speaker 1: I mean she mentioned everything from media understanding how social
Speaker 1: media photographs that go public might affect players, to coaches.
Speaker 2: Being sensitive to women's says.
Speaker 1: She's like, is there a moment that you remember from
Speaker 1: your career, or you know, if specific great, if bigger
Speaker 1: picks are fine, but like where you're like, it would
Speaker 1: have been great if the people in charge had thought
Speaker 1: about this as a women's sport.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. I mean the pictures thing, I totally
Speaker 4: stand by. I think that it's so interesting just the
Speaker 4: whole media landscape that I've learned so much more about
Speaker 4: it now as a editor in chief of a women's
Speaker 4: soccer vertical. But it is so interesting that like, somebody
Speaker 4: who works for the team can take a picture of
Speaker 4: you and post it and you never get to see it,
Speaker 4: and what if you have a double chin right, or
Speaker 4: your hair looks bad or you don't like it, or
Speaker 4: your legs don't look the way you want them to.
Speaker 4: And so I think for her to even be thinking
Speaker 4: of that minuscule of a detail and just thinking about
Speaker 4: these athletes as people and as whole people who these
Speaker 4: athletes on the national team today have to worry about
Speaker 4: their media appearance and they're how they're being portrayed. And
Speaker 4: I think that it's just such an important distinction. And
Speaker 4: I the more I learn about Emma and hear her
Speaker 4: talk about this stuff, the more, I'm like, Wow, the
Speaker 4: national team is in such great hands, I think for me,
Speaker 4: and this is something I've been pretty open about. I
Speaker 4: never was I got a chronic injury in twenty seventeen
Speaker 4: that was always going to be a part of the
Speaker 4: rest of my career, and I never really felt like
Speaker 4: the communication to manage what was always going to be
Speaker 4: an injury that was going to get worse and worse
Speaker 4: and worse as I went. Nobody ever really fully explained
Speaker 4: it to the other side, explained what my load was,
Speaker 4: explained how we could make my career last longer, to
Speaker 4: the point where four years later I played my last
Speaker 4: game and nobody really could do anything about it. I
Speaker 4: just got run into the ground. It happens, but it's
Speaker 4: super unfortunate, and I do think that had there been
Speaker 4: better communication and more awareness of the situation that I
Speaker 4: was in with cartilage damage and a knee that was
Speaker 4: getting worn down, my career could have been longer.
Speaker 1: That's hard, Yeah, I mean so much of it is
Speaker 1: just a desire to be aware of things like that
Speaker 1: of every aspect, and to your point about the players
Speaker 1: and the photographs, like a lot of people might kind
Speaker 1: of roll their eyes and be like, that's part of
Speaker 1: being in the public view or do men say that?
Speaker 1: And the problem is is that there is an oversized
Speaker 1: emphasis on the esthetic part of being a woman in
Speaker 1: the world, and whether we want to feel that way
Speaker 1: about it or not, it is a reality that it
Speaker 1: can affect our careers, and it can affect sponsorships, that
Speaker 1: it can affect the way people see you. And so
Speaker 1: many of the photographers are male, and so many of
Speaker 1: the people making the decisions are not aware of it,
Speaker 1: like I was part of I was on the board
Speaker 1: for the Gateway Women's Advisory Board for all of its
Speaker 1: years of existence, and we actually had a breakout session
Speaker 1: once where we went through dozens and dozens of sport
Speaker 1: photographs and picked the ones that we felt like actually
Speaker 1: the player would like, showed them in action, all these
Speaker 1: other things, and gave guidance for Gatoray to give back
Speaker 1: to their photographers on shoots based on those of us
Speaker 1: in the media, those of us were professional athletes in
Speaker 1: the room. All of that, because it does matter whether
Speaker 1: you want to roll your eze or not, Like, there
Speaker 1: is an oversized impact on women in terms of representation
Speaker 1: in that way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just I's thinking about it.
Speaker 4: I know, and the other part of that for me,
Speaker 4: I was just talking about this with my team the
Speaker 4: other day. The women in sport have always been forced
Speaker 4: into caring more about this kind of taking the wall down,
Speaker 4: showing our lives on social media, worrying about our appearance,
Speaker 4: worrying about do people like my personality? Because the paychecks
Speaker 4: haven't been coming from the sport, they've been coming from
Speaker 4: how do brands like me? How does my audience like me?
Speaker 4: How much engagement am I getting does this company want
Speaker 4: to work with me? So historically we have always had
Speaker 4: more of a concern to appear better in photographs and
Speaker 4: to kind of market ourselves off the field, because the
Speaker 4: industry has rewarded us for that in a way that men,
Speaker 4: male athletes don't usually have to worry about.
Speaker 1: Completely agree, my male colleagues at ESPN would always be like,
Speaker 1: I don't envy that you have to spend your time
Speaker 1: in hair and makeup, and I also understand that you
Speaker 1: do because I'm on those same comments that you get
Speaker 1: that are like, you know, I hate the earrings today
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, thanks. I actually had like a
Speaker 1: meme save that just said Anna wintour or is that
Speaker 1: you and I would send it.
Speaker 2: To every old man that would be like, I don't
Speaker 2: like your outfit. I'm like, okay, a a win tour,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, you have to waste your time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I could be researching for the show that
Speaker 1: you and I are both going to go on and
Speaker 1: getting more data and facts to say, and said I
Speaker 1: have to sit and make sure that like no one's
Speaker 1: gonna say that like I look fat today or whatever. Anyway, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have a couple more questions. I know we're running
Speaker 1: out of time here. I want to get your reaction
Speaker 1: to the NWSL's five million dollar player compensation fund. Do
Speaker 1: you feel confident that the league has now put enough
Speaker 1: measures in place to deal with both current issues like
Speaker 1: in San Diego and Utah and prevent future issues?
Speaker 4: You know, I think that again, in hearing from Lynn,
Speaker 4: compared to when I was playing in the league, it
Speaker 4: sounds like there already are more guardrails, more access to HR,
Speaker 4: more clear reporting channels in place. I think that this
Speaker 4: settlement and the oversight of the Attorney's General who investigated
Speaker 4: and then came to these terms with the NBSL, that
Speaker 4: oversight that they're providing. I think is a lot of
Speaker 4: incentive for the league to follow the guardrails that have
Speaker 4: been set in place. I think some of those things
Speaker 4: are these very clear reporting channels, background checks on coaches
Speaker 4: and athletic trainers. The NDBSL has to send updates status reports.
Speaker 4: If there has been misconduct, they have to send that up.
Speaker 4: And so I think that it is a strong incentive,
Speaker 4: a financial incentive, and also just like a public opinion
Speaker 4: incentive for the NDBSL to be successful in meeting these
Speaker 4: new standards, reporting on them successfully, and making sure that
Speaker 4: this doesn't happen again in the future. I think that
Speaker 4: there is no way to say that nothing is ever
Speaker 4: going to happen again, but my hope is that if
Speaker 4: it ever did, God forbid, it would be handled better
Speaker 4: than it has been handled in the past. I think
Speaker 4: one other point that I've been really interested in hearing
Speaker 4: about is the protections for the front office staff. I
Speaker 4: feel as a player we are so protected by our
Speaker 4: players associations. We are given resources, they have our back
Speaker 4: if something in our contract and being met. The Players Association,
Speaker 4: the union, that collective power is there for us, and
Speaker 4: sometimes I do worry that front office staff who could
Speaker 4: equally be in vulnerable positions. This is also their dream
Speaker 4: to work in professional women's soccer. I have seen firsthand
Speaker 4: front office and support staff be in similarly horrible situations
Speaker 4: that they shouldn't be in, and I hope now that
Speaker 4: these HR guardrails are there for them. That is my hope.
Speaker 4: But without the backing of the union, I do sometimes
Speaker 4: worry that it's possible for those situations to continue. And
Speaker 4: I don't know enough about it to say for sure,
Speaker 4: but I do hope that moving forward that this settlement
Speaker 4: fund and the guardrails that have been put in place
Speaker 4: will be enough to make this league safer.
Speaker 1: That's certainly what we saw in San Diego, and when
Speaker 1: I was with the Red Stars, there was no HR right.
Speaker 1: Things like that that are important, you know. Another kind
Speaker 1: of I think tentacle of all of that is protecting
Speaker 1: the players or porting the players with an understanding of
Speaker 1: the space that they're currently in. We just had Congressman
Speaker 1: Laurie Trehannon and we talked about how there are so
Speaker 1: many outspoken folks that are speaking against trans athletes, but
Speaker 1: more often than not, professional women's athletes are actually in
Speaker 1: favor of inclusion and science backed and inclusive policy. Do
Speaker 1: you have a sense about why we maybe haven't seen
Speaker 1: many players in the NWSL speak up. It's like it
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like something we've seen a big stance
Speaker 1: on other than the armbands and gestures like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm interested as well. Do I like your idea
Speaker 4: of perhaps the league providing more education on how to
Speaker 4: speak about these topics. I think that in my experience
Speaker 4: as a player, when you're making a public statement, you
Speaker 4: want to feel really prepared because you are putting your
Speaker 4: words out there knowing that they will be disagreed with
Speaker 4: by some. I think for myself, when I am speaking
Speaker 4: on an issue, I do so because I believe that
Speaker 4: it is the right thing to say, and I believe
Speaker 4: that having a platform and getting to talk about women's
Speaker 4: sports all the time requires that I also speak to
Speaker 4: the things that I feel strongly about. I am really
Speaker 4: interested in the idea of the league or the clubs
Speaker 4: providing more education, media training, access to information about what's true.
Speaker 4: Why should we not be concerned about this? Why how
Speaker 4: can we talk about it in this way?
Speaker 1: I mean, because like with Trump's executive order, now it
Speaker 1: feels like there's going to be a lot more things
Speaker 1: that professional women athletes actually have the lived experience to
Speaker 1: talk about and would be the strongest and best voices
Speaker 1: to speak out about what actually is needed in the
Speaker 1: women's sports space, what resources are missing, as opposed to
Speaker 1: a lot of the folks that are just dudes who
Speaker 1: are using it as a political cudgel.
Speaker 4: I completely agree. I think it's really important, and I
Speaker 4: hope that as you know, this kind of political should
Speaker 4: show that we're in healthscape, healthcape. I hope and I
Speaker 4: do trust a lot of my former teammates, our colleagues
Speaker 4: in this space that we will continue to use our
Speaker 4: platforms to advocate for what's right, to advocate for trans rights.
Speaker 4: But I also will say that for young players in
Speaker 4: the league, we have some sixteen year olds in the league,
Speaker 4: maybe they do need that education, those access to media
Speaker 4: training ac us on how to speak about this, how
Speaker 4: to engage with it on social media, how to engage
Speaker 4: with it in our lives. I have gone through a
Speaker 4: lot of, you know, social justice situations throughout my playing career,
Speaker 4: and I have cultivated my own opinions in my own
Speaker 4: ways of addressing them. But I think a lot of
Speaker 4: players are a lot younger and have not been through
Speaker 4: those situations yet, and they do perhaps need to gain
Speaker 4: some experience in speaking about them privately and publicly.
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Speaker 1: Okay, only because we should end on a slightly lighter note.
Speaker 1: What coffee brand should NWSL Boston sell in the stadium?
Speaker 4: I mean, you gotta sell Duncan. I know, I know
Speaker 4: that some people are going to think that that is
Speaker 4: not good. There are some incredible local coffee shops in
Speaker 4: the Boston area. Mad House Coffee is awesome. I don't
Speaker 4: know if they make their own, you know, kind of beans,
Speaker 4: but I do love that place. But you gotta have Duncan.
Speaker 4: It's just so Boston. It's so Boston.
Speaker 1: You're truly a Boston gal. Your your allegiance to Duncan.
Speaker 1: Next time we have you, we'll talk about too many
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Speaker 4: As a Boston girl, I do hope that they can,
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Speaker 4: out what brand that they want to portray. And I'm
Speaker 4: rooting for them. I love Boston and I hope it
Speaker 4: goes well. I'm here for it.
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