WEBVTT - Our Lord and Savior Emma Hayes with Sam Mewis

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're still

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<v Speaker 1>reeling over Meryl Streep's cameo in the SNL fifty special

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<v Speaker 1>and Eddie Murphy as Tracy Morgan and the return of

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<v Speaker 1>Linda Richmond.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all, I'm for klemped talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you

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<v Speaker 2>a topic.

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<v Speaker 1>Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Tuesday, February eighteenth, and on today show, we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>chatting with one of our absolute faves, Sam Muis, former

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<v Speaker 1>US women's national team player, an editor in chief and

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<v Speaker 1>host of the Women's Game podcast on the Men.

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<v Speaker 2>And Blazers Network. We'll talk about the US roster for the.

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<v Speaker 1>She Beliefs Cup, head coach Emma Hayes, desire to reimagine

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<v Speaker 1>women's soccer, and a whirlwind off season full of weddings.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus college hoops gets a ranking shakeup, it's a major award,

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<v Speaker 1>and we get a little petty tender gress.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all coming up right after this Welcome back slices.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what you need to know today.

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<v Speaker 1>In hoops news, The Naysmith Basketball Hall of Fame announced

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<v Speaker 1>the finalists for its class of twenty twenty five, and

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<v Speaker 1>Sue Bird, Maya Moore, and Sylvia Fowls all.

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<v Speaker 2>Made the cut.

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<v Speaker 1>Byrd is a four time WNBA champ and a five

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<v Speaker 1>time Olympic gold medalist with Team USA. She was also

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<v Speaker 1>a thirteen time w All Star, good for the most

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<v Speaker 1>appearances in league history. Moore won two golds with Team

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<v Speaker 1>USA and played just seven seasons in the w but

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<v Speaker 1>was a four time champ and a six time All Star.

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<v Speaker 1>Fowls is a four time gold medalist, two time WNBA

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<v Speaker 1>champ in a two time finals MVP. Molly Bolan, a

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<v Speaker 1>star in the first ever women's Pro Basketball League, is

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<v Speaker 1>also a finalist, and Jennifer Azy, who played in both

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<v Speaker 1>the w and the American Basketball League, is as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun fact, Yukon star Azy Fudd is named after Jennifer Azy.

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<v Speaker 1>Next step will be the Nasmith Honors Committee considering these names,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the new class will be announced on April fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>At the NCAA Men's Final four to college hoops this

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<v Speaker 1>weekend was Chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>Number seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yukon made a statement against number four South Carolina, knocking

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<v Speaker 1>off the game Cocks in Columbia eighty seven fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you heard me right, eighty seven to fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a twenty nine point shalacking. And the aforementioned

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<v Speaker 1>Azy Fudd, a grad student guard who's missed numerous games

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<v Speaker 1>throughout her career due to injury, looked like the best

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<v Speaker 1>player on the floor. She led the Huskies with twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight points and hit six threes in the win. Red Scherd,

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<v Speaker 1>senior Page Beckers and freshman Sarah Strong added double doubles,

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<v Speaker 1>the former posting twelve points in ten assis and the

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<v Speaker 1>latter sixteen points and thirteen rebounds. Beckers also moved up

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<v Speaker 1>to number eleven Connecticut's all time scoring list during the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the call moments after it happened, right in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the player she passed on the list, Rebecca Lobo.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a listen.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of a significant bucket there. Oh sorry, partner,

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<v Speaker 3>Date Becker is just poet by you.

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<v Speaker 1>We need the mister.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>We were going to cut the crassed off at eleven,

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<v Speaker 3>but we thought alters updates the page. Backer's down two

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<v Speaker 3>thy one hundred and thirty six points, accounting just twenty

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<v Speaker 3>behind D on that list as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's impressive, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to Rebecca Lobo because she keeps me giggling

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<v Speaker 1>with her posts about her kids. So remember a few

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<v Speaker 1>months ago she got the late night text from her

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<v Speaker 1>daughter in college who said, quote, what was the deal

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<v Speaker 1>with the gold medal and starting the WNBA and stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>I need it for an assignment end quote. Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>time it was a friend of her daughter who texted

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<v Speaker 1>her using her married name Russian and said, quote, hi,

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<v Speaker 1>missus Russian, you just got mentioned in conversation with my friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, I'm friends with the family, and my

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<v Speaker 1>friend goes to be honest, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>She was still alive. I am dead. Please keep sharing

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<v Speaker 2>these kids, keeping you humble. It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Right after the Yukon SC game number three, Texas hosted

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<v Speaker 1>number five LSU and an SEC clash and set the

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<v Speaker 1>Tiger's home holding the sixty five fifty eight l just

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<v Speaker 1>their second loss of the season. Friend of the Show

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<v Speaker 1>in Longhorn, sophomore Madison Booker paced Texas with a sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>point ten board double double, while senior guard Rory Harmon

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<v Speaker 1>added five assists and ten points, including a couple clutch

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<v Speaker 1>buckets down the stretch. Also got a shout out Lsusannissa Moro.

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<v Speaker 1>She had fifteen points and twenty rebounds in the losing effort.

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<v Speaker 1>That's her fifth straight game in double digits and her

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<v Speaker 1>fourth twenty rebound game of the season. Over in the ACC,

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<v Speaker 1>number ten NC State and number twelve UNC went down

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<v Speaker 1>to the wire in Chapel Hill, Tar Hills pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>a sixty six to sixty five upset thanks to two

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<v Speaker 1>big free throws by Grace Townsend with less than five

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<v Speaker 1>seconds left in the game. Sophomore guard Brnia Kelly set

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<v Speaker 1>a new career high in the win and led UNC

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<v Speaker 1>with twenty three points, including five made threes. Also, we

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<v Speaker 1>can't forget the big one last Thursday night in the

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<v Speaker 1>Big ten, number six USC upsetting Number one UCLA at

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<v Speaker 1>the Galen Center seventy one to sixty, the Bruins'.

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<v Speaker 2>First loss of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Trojan sophomore sensation Juju Watkins was unbelievable in that game,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight points, eleven rebounds, eight blocks, and five assists

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<v Speaker 1>per ESPN. That performance made are the first Division One

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<v Speaker 1>player of any gender in the last twenty seasons with

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<v Speaker 1>at least thirty five points, five blocks, and five assists.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of sensational performances. How about Vanderbilt's MICHAELA. Blakes,

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<v Speaker 1>who scored a Division one women's freshman record fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>points on Sunday in a ninety eight eighty eight OT

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<v Speaker 1>victory over Auburn. That was her second fifty plus point

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<v Speaker 1>performance of the season. Freshmen, y'all, unbelievable. Top twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>seating has totally changed thanks to all those contests, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll link to this week's restructured AP Top twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>in our.

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<v Speaker 2>Show notes More hoops.

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<v Speaker 1>We know the unrival players are still out of breath

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<v Speaker 1>from the one v one tournament, but they got to

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<v Speaker 1>get back out there for regular season. Three on three

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<v Speaker 1>play tonight Rose versus Vinyl at seven thirty Eastern and

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<v Speaker 1>Phantom versus Laces at eight thirty eastern. You can catch

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<v Speaker 1>those games on TNT now. The one v one Queen

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<v Speaker 1>Nafisa Collier two hundred thousand dollars richer after her victory

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday, and her lunar owls teammates heavier in the

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<v Speaker 1>wallet by ten thousand each. Thanks to her dub They

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<v Speaker 1>get to enjoy the spoils of victory a little longer.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't return to play till Friday to the Mats

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<v Speaker 1>and the Bars. Friday wasn't just Valentine's Day, it was

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<v Speaker 1>also the Super Bowl of NCAA Gymnastics. The nation's two

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<v Speaker 1>best programs, number two LSU and number one Oklahoma went

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<v Speaker 1>head to head down in Baton Rouge, and the Tigers

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<v Speaker 1>took down the Sooners by a margin of just zero

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<v Speaker 1>point three seven five. LSU posted Season I scores involved

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<v Speaker 1>and on the floor in the win, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>OU's first loss of the twenty twenty five season to lacrosse.

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<v Speaker 1>The WL Championship series is over and the Boston Guard

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<v Speaker 1>are the first champions in league history. Boston down the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Charging twenty two to seventeen on Monday for

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<v Speaker 1>the win. Still waiting to hear what's next for the

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<v Speaker 1>league with the Pick, some videos we've seen of fans

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<v Speaker 1>swarming players like Guard captain Charlotte North postgame make us

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<v Speaker 1>super hopeful for what lies ahead. The Maryland charm were

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<v Speaker 1>eliminated from competition on Saturday, but in the postgame press conference,

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<v Speaker 1>goalkeeper Kaylee Waters expressed her gratitude for the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>suit up. It was pretty moving listen to this.

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<v Speaker 5>I held my head walking out, but I saw these girls,

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<v Speaker 5>heard these girls calling my name asking for autographs. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know why I'm getting worked up, but you know,

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<v Speaker 5>so I wanted to stay out there and do the

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<v Speaker 5>autographs because I felt better than being in the locker

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<v Speaker 5>room and thinking about possibly not having another game. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>the game just means a lot on and off the field,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think this experience has really allowed myself and

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<v Speaker 5>everyone to connect with what's out there. It's brought the

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<v Speaker 5>crowd to us. It's really put it in our hands

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<v Speaker 5>the impact and influence that we have. So I really

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<v Speaker 5>just thank everyone for being here, everyone who put this on.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, win or lose. I'd rather have the opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>to lose than not.

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<v Speaker 2>Play at all.

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<v Speaker 5>So thank you, Paul, Rachel, Mike, everyone for this who

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<v Speaker 5>made this possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're tugging on our heart strengths, Kaylee, so agree,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope there's more for this league in these players.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to check out either of those WL videos,

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<v Speaker 1>will throw them in the show notes. Finally, in Dude Hoops,

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<v Speaker 1>MNBA All Star Weekend came and went, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>ask me, I still haven't found the formula to top

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<v Speaker 1>WNBA All Star This year's festivities featured a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>remixes on old formats, some that work better than others,

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<v Speaker 1>but what stood out to us was there was no

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<v Speaker 1>stuff Curry, Sabring and Escu three.

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<v Speaker 2>Point shootout rematch now.

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<v Speaker 1>When asked why the league chose not to bring back

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<v Speaker 1>the contest that broke the internet, MNBA Commissioner Adam Silver

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<v Speaker 1>said it felt forced this year in contrast to the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of organic way things unfolded in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't find a way to top it, they said,

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if Caitlin Clark had been in, that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the step up that they were looking.

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<v Speaker 2>For from last year.

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<v Speaker 1>But Clark said she wants her three point contest debut

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<v Speaker 1>to be at the WNBA All Star Game in her

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<v Speaker 1>team's home city of Indye this summer, and honestly, we

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<v Speaker 1>love that she's save in that juice and that attention

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<v Speaker 1>for the women's game. A quick note to share with

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<v Speaker 1>our beloved slices.

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<v Speaker 2>Our little show.

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<v Speaker 1>Not yet even a year old, just got some big news.

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<v Speaker 1>We're nominated in the Best Sports Podcast category for the Ambies,

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<v Speaker 1>the Podcast Academy's Awards for Excellence and Audio. We're up

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<v Speaker 1>against some other wonderful nominees, including a few friends who

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<v Speaker 1>are now obviously enemies, Jamel Hill, Pablo Torre, Rich Eisen.

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<v Speaker 1>The awards are March thirty first and in Chicago this year,

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<v Speaker 1>with the hilarious and wonderful Tig Nataro hosting. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a relatively new award show, just the fifth iteration,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're told it's a major award, so we're big

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<v Speaker 1>happy about it. Send us your good juju for the win.

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<v Speaker 1>And while we're celebrating good show news, I will be

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<v Speaker 1>at the iHeart Podcast Awards in Austin, Texas on March

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<v Speaker 1>tenth to receive one of the three Icon Awards, paying

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<v Speaker 1>tribute to the creators, organizations and podcasts that have made

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<v Speaker 1>groundbreaking industry contributions. So I'm getting the twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>Social Impact Award for championing equity and sports. It's coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>equal pay for female athletes, and better investment in women's

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<v Speaker 1>sports infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>I am super.

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<v Speaker 1>Honored and I can't wait for that, and just grateful

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<v Speaker 1>that the show is so new and already being recognized.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty awesome. Okay, that's enough patting ourselves on the back.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean for now at least. I'm sure we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>it in the future, but we got to take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break when we come back. Sam mwis Queen of

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<v Speaker 1>the Women's Game, our favorite soccer pod, both the Friendlies

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<v Speaker 1>and the Good Vibes FC episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>She's gonna join.

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<v Speaker 1>Us to get another stamp on her Good Game punch card.

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<v Speaker 2>That's next joining us again.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a former professional soccer player, World Cup winner, Olympic

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<v Speaker 1>bronze medalist, three time NWSL champion, at NCAA champion. She's

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<v Speaker 1>now the host of the Fantastic The Women's Game podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Men in Blazer's digital network, The Tower

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<v Speaker 1>of Power, Mother of Finn Wedding Attendee of the Year

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<v Speaker 1>it's Sammy Mwis.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, Sam, Hi.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much. I don't think I do Wedding

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<v Speaker 4>Attendee of the Year. I think that award exclusively goes

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<v Speaker 4>to a listenaer who went to literally every single wedding

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<v Speaker 4>that we saw this off season.

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<v Speaker 2>I love to hear that because I love a lessonnaire.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's also you know, she's uncle there, you like

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<v Speaker 1>you just I love that everybody wants her there and that.

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<v Speaker 2>She knows to be there. That's fine. I know here.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that brings us to the wedding speed round,

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<v Speaker 1>which is actually what we're starting with. How many did

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<v Speaker 1>you go to this offseason?

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<v Speaker 4>I went to three, which is not very many, considering

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<v Speaker 4>two of them where Lynn Williams is Lynn bian Doola's.

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<v Speaker 1>See, we're all working on that. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>new names to remember. What's the wildest thing you saw

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<v Speaker 1>one of those three weddings.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it's the wildest, but I thought

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<v Speaker 4>the coolest thing was at Steph McCaffrey's wedding. They played

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<v Speaker 4>man I Feel like a Woman, like right after they

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<v Speaker 4>walked down the aisle after doing their vows, and like

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<v Speaker 4>it was right after the ceremony, so everybody was like surprised,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was like such a fun first dance song

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<v Speaker 4>that like everybody kind of got up and was just

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<v Speaker 4>singing and dancing and it was like the coolest post

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<v Speaker 4>vow moment ever. It was really sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, of course Lynn wearing a wedding dress that

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<v Speaker 1>her father in law made her by my I mean, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Know what both weddings and her husband Marlee also wore

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<v Speaker 4>suits that his father had. Crazy was such a beautiful gesture.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just love Marley's dad so much. He's like

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<v Speaker 4>one of my favorite people ever.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, which one of those three ceremonies. Did you have

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest headache?

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<v Speaker 4>After Oh my god, Lynn's First Lynn's first wedding? I

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<v Speaker 4>had an ungodly amount of There were these pink margaritas

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<v Speaker 4>and like, and I don't usually drink margarita's, but they

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<v Speaker 4>were so good and I just kept it was like

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<v Speaker 4>a whole scene. But after Steph McCaffrey's I did, I

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<v Speaker 4>was a little bit ill. I was, I was talking

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<v Speaker 4>you went hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Last one?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a go to wedding gift or you

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<v Speaker 1>just like straight off the registry?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what?

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<v Speaker 4>First Steph McCaffrey, who's like one of my oldest like

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<v Speaker 4>kind of childhood friends, she's like from my area. I

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<v Speaker 4>got them a guest book from the museum in Boston

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<v Speaker 4>where they got engaged, and then like the guests like

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<v Speaker 4>signed in the cover. So that was like a beautiful,

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<v Speaker 4>creative gift that I was actually really proud of. And

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<v Speaker 4>then for Lynz, I actually think I just thought my

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<v Speaker 4>gift was going to both and going to California and Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>So I didn't actually get her anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair fair, just like just frame the ticket that you

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<v Speaker 1>had to buy to face out exactly. Okay, So things

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<v Speaker 1>were very different the last time you were on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You were on last August alongside Coast Becky Sowerbrun. Becky

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't yet retired, the US hadn't yet won gold in Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't yet know via the off season that Nicki

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<v Speaker 1>Stanton pee's a little every time she does a slide tackle.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just these were much simpler times. Now we have

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<v Speaker 1>Emma Hayes as our Lord and savior.

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<v Speaker 2>It's official.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows uh someone who's getting married or retiring, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're speeding toward the first big event of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the She Beliefs Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start there.

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<v Speaker 1>What stood out to you about the roster drop for

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<v Speaker 1>this upcoming She Believes Cup.

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<v Speaker 4>First and foremost, the balance of player who were on

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<v Speaker 4>the Olympic roster last year, plus a bunch of young, new,

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<v Speaker 4>exciting players. I think there's four first time call ups.

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<v Speaker 4>Claire Hutton from Kansas City, who I've really been rooting

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<v Speaker 4>for is like a fellow midfielder. I'm excited for her.

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<v Speaker 4>Yasmin and Ryan I think has been making a statement

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<v Speaker 4>in the NBBSL and is continuing to get these call ups,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm excited for her. The sisters Alyssa and Giselle Thompson.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, do you have a special place

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<v Speaker 1>in your heart for the first pair of sisters since

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<v Speaker 1>the Muies.

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<v Speaker 4>I do have a special vismer. I'm really rooting for them.

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<v Speaker 4>It's such a fun and unique experience to be in

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<v Speaker 4>national team camp with your sister. And I actually had

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<v Speaker 4>them both on my podcast together at the end of

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<v Speaker 4>last year, which was just so fun. I think that

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<v Speaker 4>dynamic is just really special and something really only three

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<v Speaker 4>pairs of sisters ever, us the Thompson's and the Fairs

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<v Speaker 4>can kind of say that we've experienced. So I'm excited

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<v Speaker 4>for them and proud of them. And then the other

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<v Speaker 4>thing is the goalkeeper. I think that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 4>big storyline heading into this camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>Ready, I know, I'm not ready to say goodbye to

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<v Speaker 4>a listener. We still get to see in Chicago, So

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<v Speaker 4>you're lucky, you're going to be there, but seeing Jane

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<v Speaker 4>Campbell come back, who has a lot of experience with

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<v Speaker 4>this team, she's been to multiple Olympics. Seeing Mandy McGlynn

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<v Speaker 4>who's back in, who's been making a statement with the

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<v Speaker 4>Utah Royals, and then seeing Valentellis Joyce, who's going to

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<v Speaker 4>be a training player. She's not on the game roster,

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<v Speaker 4>but she's been doing great for Man United. We know

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<v Speaker 4>her name when she played for Seattle, but she's been

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<v Speaker 4>crushing it across the pond. So I'm excited to see

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<v Speaker 4>if she can continue to get these call ins.

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<v Speaker 1>So much pressure at that position, Like there can be

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible player at any position on the field that

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<v Speaker 1>retires or moves on, and everyone's going to mourn their departure,

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<v Speaker 1>but no one's going to be like all eyes on

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<v Speaker 1>whoever's there quite the same way as the goaltender that

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<v Speaker 1>steps into that position post Alyssenaire. Every little mistake, every

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<v Speaker 1>little moment is going to be so overanalyzed. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>for those players stepping into that legacy. Of all the

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<v Speaker 1>young players you mentioned four uncapped and ten players with

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<v Speaker 1>four or fewer caps, any of those are particular that

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at that you're like Oh, I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>for us to get a good look at this one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I mean this forward's list has such a great balance.

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<v Speaker 4>I think obviously we're missing Triple Espresso, Sophia Trinity mal

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<v Speaker 4>not coming into this camp again. But what's really exciting

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<v Speaker 4>about this is again that same balance I mentioned before.

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<v Speaker 4>Players who have experience are coming back into camp Kat Maccario,

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<v Speaker 4>Lynn Biandolo, but then there's just this array of new

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<v Speaker 4>player as Ali sent Noor, who's actually from my hometown

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<v Speaker 4>at Hanson, Massachusetts. I'm so excited to see her name

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<v Speaker 4>on this list. Lily Johannes, who has a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>of experience the Pasal team, but she's this huge young

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<v Speaker 4>storyline who moved to the Netherlands, plays for i AX,

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<v Speaker 4>could have maybe played for the Netherlands national team, but

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<v Speaker 4>chose the US and we're all so excited to have her.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm really focused, I think on this midfield's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of array of talent to see how Jadenshaw is doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I hear that she's doing so great in the North

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<v Speaker 4>Carolina Courage preseason, but we really missed out on seeing

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<v Speaker 4>her last year's Olympics. After such a great kind of

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<v Speaker 4>start to twenty twenty four, So I'm excited to see

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<v Speaker 4>if Jadenshaw can kind of showcase herself back in that

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<v Speaker 4>top form after dealing with what I imagine was a really

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<v Speaker 4>difficult injury during the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you just got me so excited remembering.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these names that like we've gotten a little

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<v Speaker 1>taste of and then either because of injury otherwise, like

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<v Speaker 1>Lily Johannes is such an incredible story and getting to

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<v Speaker 1>see some of that, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Really really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you mentioned that there's also some vets, including Emily's Sonnet.

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<v Speaker 1>She's gonna get her one hundred caps celebration before the

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<v Speaker 1>match against Columbia.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a fave Sonnet story?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god. Well, first of all, I have been

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get this name. Sonnet believes cup to catch

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<v Speaker 4>on because I this is her tenth. She believes there

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<v Speaker 4>have been ten tournaments on every single one nobody else's.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think anybody else has done that. Obviously, she's

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<v Speaker 4>won seven of them, so this could be her eighth.

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<v Speaker 4>Whenever I think about Sonnet, we have so many memories together,

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<v Speaker 4>her and Rose, like pulling pranks on me in the

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<v Speaker 4>Bellamar Hotel in Manhattan Beach during national team camp, scaring

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<v Speaker 4>me in the stairwell sharing goldfish night. Like, Sonnet is

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<v Speaker 4>one of my oldest friends, and I do have a

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<v Speaker 4>very vivid picture in my mind when we were alternates

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<v Speaker 4>at the twenty sixteen Olympics together. It was really where

0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.399
<v Speaker 4>our friendship went through its most trying time. It was

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<v Speaker 4>really difficult to be an alternate. And we were running

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<v Speaker 4>sprints just me and Sonnet after a practice because we

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<v Speaker 4>weren't playing in the games. We didn't get what we

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<v Speaker 4>needed in the practice because it wasn't meant for us,

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<v Speaker 4>and we just looked at each other, like, someday we

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<v Speaker 4>are gonna be so grateful that we were here and

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<v Speaker 4>that we were doing these goddamn sprints right now, And

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's it's right now. Sauna getting our one

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<v Speaker 4>hundredth cap is such a huge deal to me because

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<v Speaker 4>I never reached that milestone. But to have somebody that

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<v Speaker 4>I really was arm in arm with my whole career

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<v Speaker 4>on the national team, from like the lowest of times

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<v Speaker 4>to the best of times, that's Saun it for me,

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<v Speaker 4>and so for her to reach it, I feel this

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<v Speaker 4>like it's really this huge monumental moment for her, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just so proud of her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, her body is your body.

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<v Speaker 1>She's carrying the dre on for you, and she is in.

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<v Speaker 2>The way that you were unable to.

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<v Speaker 4>She is she's got those good nies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Goodniees.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about Emma Hayes and the recent

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<v Speaker 1>reporting around her goal to sort of fundamentally re imagine

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<v Speaker 1>women's soccer from coaching to performance scientists to data analysts

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<v Speaker 1>to marketing exacts. She wants to lead everyone that is

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<v Speaker 1>connected into the women's game in any way in a

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<v Speaker 1>thought exercise that sort of asks what would this look

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<v Speaker 1>like if we weren't copying the men's game and if

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<v Speaker 1>we actually designed everything from drills to uniforms to marketing

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<v Speaker 1>for women. This was incredible to hear and to see

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<v Speaker 1>her thoughts on this.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your take on it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Lynn Williams and I, lind Bian dol and I

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<v Speaker 4>talked a lot about this on our episode of Good Vibes.

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<v Speaker 4>We're so excited. I think that women's soccer in the

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<v Speaker 4>US has been waiting for a kind of three hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and sixty degree approach to our sport, our bodies, our

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<v Speaker 4>experience to really be implemented, and I think Emma is

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<v Speaker 4>right to say that for so long, studies for soccer

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<v Speaker 4>players have been based on a seventy kilogram male athlete

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<v Speaker 4>playing in England, and that's the only data that we have.

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<v Speaker 4>And so for Emma to come in and really spearhead

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<v Speaker 4>this change and this kind of what will be a

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<v Speaker 4>trickle down effect in the program in US Soccer and

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<v Speaker 4>the NBCL, even in the Super League, it's like it's

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<v Speaker 4>been a long time coming and I feel so grateful

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<v Speaker 4>to Emma for realizing how important this is. I think

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<v Speaker 4>one of my biggest takeaways what was that she wants

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<v Speaker 4>to implement this board of people who will oversee players

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<v Speaker 4>when they're with the national team, with they're with their

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<v Speaker 4>club teams, when they're when they're at home training, because

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<v Speaker 4>I think that the communication between national team and club

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<v Speaker 4>team has always been a little bit off, and I

0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 4>think that for a group of people to be overseeing

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<v Speaker 4>the whole well rounded athlete and considering what's best for

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.520
<v Speaker 4>them where they are in their mental cycle, how much

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<v Speaker 4>they're traveling going back and forth from club to country,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's just a huge deal and it's so

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<v Speaker 4>important that Emma is implementing this. Now we have this

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.040
<v Speaker 4>break in the cycle, she can get a lot done.

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<v Speaker 4>We have this thirty million dollar gift from Michelle King,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's really going to, I think, support this movement

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<v Speaker 4>to improve the experience for women athletes in the us

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<v Speaker 4>ACA program.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the way you're talking about it has me thinking

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.320
<v Speaker 1>about this interesting nuance where you're both humans and products,

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:24.280
<v Speaker 1>because ultimately, if you had essentially two major businesses that

0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.960
<v Speaker 1>shared an important product, they would have to communicate about

0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.720
<v Speaker 1>that product. And in this sense, there hasn't been great

0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.480
<v Speaker 1>communication from the national team to the clubs about what's

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 1>going to make that product work right. And we saw

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<v Speaker 1>it unfortunately after the Olympics with some players that had

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<v Speaker 1>plans to come back to the NWSL and couldn't because

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<v Speaker 1>of injuries that they felt were sustained with their national

0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.680
<v Speaker 1>team because of mishandling. And so that is the same

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:48.920
<v Speaker 1>case that has to happen here in terms of the

0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:53.240
<v Speaker 1>US communicating with clubs. I also think, you know, when

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you are not intentional about seeing the ways things are

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>made for men, it's easy to miss them. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you suddenly decide to take your gaze and look at

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<v Speaker 1>it and say, what might have been made with men

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.159
<v Speaker 1>in mind is the default. It suddenly becomes clear everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this great book in Visible Women. It's about exposing

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<v Speaker 1>like data bias in a world that's designed for men,

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<v Speaker 1>in all the spaces that we don't even think about

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<v Speaker 1>it as simple as like what temperature.

0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Rooms are and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I feel like she's like applying that mindset

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<v Speaker 1>to this. And one thing she said is she wants

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<v Speaker 1>you to ask soccer to have a distinct women's coaching

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.960
<v Speaker 1>education department, so the licenses would be specifically tailored to

0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:30.200
<v Speaker 1>women's soccer, so physiologically, anatomically, technically, tactically.

0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Psychologically, socially, and emotionally, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, duh, I know. I mean, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like the sports bra. It's like, yeah, duh, why

0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:39.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't we have a bar that you could go to

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<v Speaker 1>that had all the women's sports? And now I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do why don't we have licenses specific.

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<v Speaker 2>To women's sports? Because one thing this feels like to

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<v Speaker 2>me is this could be.

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<v Speaker 1>The step that we need to help solve the problem

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<v Speaker 1>of abuse and toxicity that's so rampant in women's soccer,

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<v Speaker 1>Like having people have to get actual training specific not

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<v Speaker 1>just to soccer, but to women.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that feel like to you that could be this

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<v Speaker 2>important step?

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<v Speaker 4>I think that, I mean, this mindset and this approach

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 4>to the women's game is certainly leading us along a

0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 4>better path towards preventing abuse and harassment, like we have

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.680
<v Speaker 4>just recently been talking so much about with the settlement

0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:16.679
<v Speaker 4>fund coming home with the Nbasel. And I think to

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<v Speaker 4>your point earlier Emma's inclusion of this licensing for coaches

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<v Speaker 4>to be trained and licensed for the women's game, there

0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:28.480
<v Speaker 4>are tactical differences in the game. I was reading in

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<v Speaker 4>this article about the expected goals ratio that has been

0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.760
<v Speaker 4>studied in the men's game doesn't always apply in the

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 4>same way to the women's game. And why is that?

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<v Speaker 4>We have no idea and we should figure that out,

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<v Speaker 4>even as much as the type of hotels that the

0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 4>team is staying in to account for our women gathering

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 4>in social spaces differently than the men are, and can

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.520
<v Speaker 4>we consider that when we're putting our team here for

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<v Speaker 4>a month, shouldn't we consider the spaces that we're being

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 4>social And I find it so fascinating and I'd love

0:23:58.040 --> 0:23:59.720
<v Speaker 4>to read that book that you suggest. I think we

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:01.720
<v Speaker 4>can all learn so much more about this because we

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.120
<v Speaker 4>do all kind of go through our lives not even

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 4>realizing how much of the world is designed for men.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, put the link to the book in the

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 1>show notes. Everyone should read. It's everything from like crash

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Dummies to you know, science studies and medical studies and everything,

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and how much there is intention behind everything. Just because

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 1>it arrives to us already done doesn't mean that somebody

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't plan it when they started it. I have a

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:25.359
<v Speaker 1>quick question for you that I've asked a number of

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:26.919
<v Speaker 1>people in the soccer space, and I'm wondering if you

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 1>have a brilliant thought on it. I know that there's

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.399
<v Speaker 1>abuse across girls and women's sports of every kind, but

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, it feels to me like soccer has

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.360
<v Speaker 1>a prevalence that's different. And a lot of the spaces

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 1>it might be an overseeing body or one person who

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>manages an entire national team that's the problem. But in soccer,

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:47.360
<v Speaker 1>it's like, how does this happen on so many teams

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 1>in so many spaces, in so many countries.

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:49.880
<v Speaker 2>And I'm my.

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.919
<v Speaker 1>Theory, which is terrible, probably, but is that there's a

0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:55.719
<v Speaker 1>subjectivity to the sport that allows coaches to use their

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 1>power dynamic differently, like with five starters in basketball, and

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.120
<v Speaker 1>a very clear idea of like who's out there doing

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 1>the best. It's a little harder to threaten someone with

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>benching or to not play them and claim that it's

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:09.439
<v Speaker 1>for a valid reason, versus with soccer. There's a lot

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 1>more players. You can claim it's a strategic difference or

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 1>that someone's just not a fit.

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Is that part of it?

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Is there more power in the coach to make those

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>decisions and hold them over players.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have any opposition to what you just said.

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 4>I haven't necessarily thought about it in terms of the

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:28.640
<v Speaker 4>subjectivity of the sport, but I find that interesting. I've

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 4>heard Tobin Heath talk about this before and describe it

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 4>as kind of US soccer having a monopoly on the dream.

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 4>And when you're a little girl and you are watching

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.440
<v Speaker 4>the national team play, there was as I was growing

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 4>up and a lot of players in my generation, there

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 4>was one path to get to that team. There was

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:47.200
<v Speaker 4>one way to do it. You had to go through

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 4>the system. You had to get called into the youth

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 4>national teams. You had to go to a good college,

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 4>you had to play in whatever league was available and

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 4>put up with whatever abuses were going on, and you

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 4>had to do all of these right and career steps

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 4>while being watched by US Soccer to then make the

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 4>national team. There's only one path. And that's kind of

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 4>how I've maybe thought about why it has seemed more

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 4>rampant in our sport or more prevalent right now. I

0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 4>also think we have been going through this reckoning and

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 4>we are dealing with it head on, and it feels

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 4>very much so out there and in the media right now,

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 4>and I think that for the future and the growth

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 4>of the game, we are grappling with it, and that

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 4>is in the hopes that in the future it will

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 4>get better and go and we can prevent it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna have to have like a round table

0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>of the soccer minds and maybe folks from other sports too,

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>because I'm interested in hearing like if they all got

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.120
<v Speaker 1>together and talked, would they be able to root out

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>some of the primary reasons and could we work on

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 1>either the pipelines or the people in charge in those

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>places or whatever to help stop it in all the

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>different sports and spaces. Have you heard from players playing

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 1>under Emma about how this approach and her view on

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>things is already clear in the way she coaches or

0:26:58.119 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>works with them.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so it's funny that you asked that. I did

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 4>just recently talk to Lynn about this, and she was saying, Yes,

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 4>they're doing a lot of new menstrual cycle tracking, and

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 4>that was something that even when I was on the

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:14.199
<v Speaker 4>national team maybe five six years ago, we were starting

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 4>to implement that. I mean, we always had these surveys

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 4>that we filled out every morning to kind of track

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 4>our wellness and how we were feeling, and the menstrual

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.400
<v Speaker 4>cycle started to become part of that. But Linn says,

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 4>they're talking more about the science of when you're in

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 4>this phase of your cycle, you actually don't need to

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 4>lift as heavy because the stimulus on your body is

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 4>just as much since your body is being drained by

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 4>maybe where you are in your cycle. So I think

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 4>that as they start to do more work in that area,

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 4>that will tie into nutrition, understanding when you're ovulating, understanding

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 4>what changes you need to make throughout your cycle. So

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 4>she said specifically that in that area some of those

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:52.959
<v Speaker 4>changes have been made.

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting.

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I actually moderated a panel at the Gatorade Sports Science

0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Institute with like the leading global expert on that, and

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the research is still not good enough to make sweeping changes,

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's useful to track and think about. And there

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 1>are some teams and clubs that have gone public with

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 1>saying that we're going to try to practice based on

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>when people are ovulating and sinking, and they found that

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>there's actually not a lot of good research behind doing that,

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 1>but there is plenty to be learned by studying the

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 1>parts of the cycle and how they affect lifting and

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>everything else. Kate Ackerman, who's a doctor who works with

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the WUSAYE lines that got a massive grant to try

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>to understand this stuff, particularly women's bodies in elite performance,

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 1>is kind of helping wrangle all these different people that

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 1>are studying that. And I'll be fascinated to see if

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 1>the US women's national team ends up getting enough research

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to contribute to things like that at the highest level,

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>because part of it is there's just a dearth of

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>data in the women's space to actually provide enough to

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>know that you can move forward with decisions about how

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>something like ovulating might affect your performance.

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think even this comment that Emma made, how

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 4>she only called into goalkeepers for on three player roster,

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.239
<v Speaker 4>that's unusual. Normally on a twenty three player roster there

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 4>would be three. But even Emma saying I wanted an

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 4>extra field player because these players are still in preseason

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 4>and I need access to more subs, even that, to

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 4>me is Emma showing her awareness of where these players

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 4>are at in their year, in the cycle of their year.

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 4>They're coming off of an offseason. Sure, they had this

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 4>January camp, they had the futures camp. They are in

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 4>preseason with their club teams, but how many of these

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 4>players are ready to play ninety minutes three games in

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 4>a row.

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Fair?

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 4>It was so smart of Emma. And it stinks to

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 4>be the third goalkeeper who's not going to be on

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 4>the game rosters. But it's showing this thoughtfulness from Emma

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 4>that I don't know that we've seen before.

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can you think of specific ways that this approach

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>being around in your playing days might have affected you?

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean she mentioned everything from media understanding how social

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>media photographs that go public might affect players, to coaches.

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Being sensitive to women's says.

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 1>She's like, is there a moment that you remember from

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>your career, or you know, if specific great, if bigger

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 1>picks are fine, but like where you're like, it would

0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>have been great if the people in charge had thought

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 1>about this as a women's sport.

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think. I mean the pictures thing, I totally

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 4>stand by. I think that it's so interesting just the

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 4>whole media landscape that I've learned so much more about

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 4>it now as a editor in chief of a women's

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 4>soccer vertical. But it is so interesting that like, somebody

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 4>who works for the team can take a picture of

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 4>you and post it and you never get to see it,

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 4>and what if you have a double chin right, or

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 4>your hair looks bad or you don't like it, or

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 4>your legs don't look the way you want them to.

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 4>And so I think for her to even be thinking

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 4>of that minuscule of a detail and just thinking about

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 4>these athletes as people and as whole people who these

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 4>athletes on the national team today have to worry about

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 4>their media appearance and they're how they're being portrayed. And

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 4>I think that it's just such an important distinction. And

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 4>I the more I learn about Emma and hear her

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 4>talk about this stuff, the more, I'm like, Wow, the

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 4>national team is in such great hands, I think for me,

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 4>and this is something I've been pretty open about. I

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 4>never was I got a chronic injury in twenty seventeen

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 4>that was always going to be a part of the

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 4>rest of my career, and I never really felt like

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 4>the communication to manage what was always going to be

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 4>an injury that was going to get worse and worse

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 4>and worse as I went. Nobody ever really fully explained

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 4>it to the other side, explained what my load was,

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 4>explained how we could make my career last longer, to

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 4>the point where four years later I played my last

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 4>game and nobody really could do anything about it. I

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 4>just got run into the ground. It happens, but it's

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 4>super unfortunate, and I do think that had there been

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 4>better communication and more awareness of the situation that I

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 4>was in with cartilage damage and a knee that was

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 4>getting worn down, my career could have been longer.

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 1>That's hard, Yeah, I mean so much of it is

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>just a desire to be aware of things like that

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>of every aspect, and to your point about the players

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>and the photographs, like a lot of people might kind

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of roll their eyes and be like, that's part of

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>being in the public view or do men say that?

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 1>And the problem is is that there is an oversized

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>emphasis on the esthetic part of being a woman in

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the world, and whether we want to feel that way

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>about it or not, it is a reality that it

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 1>can affect our careers, and it can affect sponsorships, that

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>it can affect the way people see you. And so

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>many of the photographers are male, and so many of

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:22.959
<v Speaker 1>the people making the decisions are not aware of it,

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 1>like I was part of I was on the board

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>for the Gateway Women's Advisory Board for all of its

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>years of existence, and we actually had a breakout session

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>once where we went through dozens and dozens of sport

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 1>photographs and picked the ones that we felt like actually

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the player would like, showed them in action, all these

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>other things, and gave guidance for Gatoray to give back

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to their photographers on shoots based on those of us

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>in the media, those of us were professional athletes in

0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the room. All of that, because it does matter whether

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you want to roll your eze or not, Like, there

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>is an oversized impact on women in terms of representation

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<v Speaker 1>in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I just I's thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, and the other part of that for me,

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<v Speaker 4>I was just talking about this with my team the

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<v Speaker 4>other day. The women in sport have always been forced

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 4>into caring more about this kind of taking the wall down,

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 4>showing our lives on social media, worrying about our appearance,

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 4>worrying about do people like my personality? Because the paychecks

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 4>haven't been coming from the sport, they've been coming from

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 4>how do brands like me? How does my audience like me?

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 4>How much engagement am I getting does this company want

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 4>to work with me? So historically we have always had

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 4>more of a concern to appear better in photographs and

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 4>to kind of market ourselves off the field, because the

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.239
<v Speaker 4>industry has rewarded us for that in a way that men,

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 4>male athletes don't usually have to worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>Completely agree, my male colleagues at ESPN would always be like,

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't envy that you have to spend your time

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 1>in hair and makeup, and I also understand that you

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>do because I'm on those same comments that you get

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>that are like, you know, I hate the earrings today

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, okay, thanks. I actually had like a

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>meme save that just said Anna wintour or is that

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>you and I would send it.

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>To every old man that would be like, I don't

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 2>like your outfit. I'm like, okay, a a win tour,

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 2>but like, yeah, you have to waste your time.

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I could be researching for the show that

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>you and I are both going to go on and

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>getting more data and facts to say, and said I

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>have to sit and make sure that like no one's

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna say that like I look fat today or whatever. Anyway, Okay,

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>we have a couple more questions. I know we're running

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>out of time here. I want to get your reaction

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>to the NWSL's five million dollar player compensation fund. Do

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you feel confident that the league has now put enough

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 1>measures in place to deal with both current issues like

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>in San Diego and Utah and prevent future issues?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think that again, in hearing from Lynn,

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<v Speaker 4>compared to when I was playing in the league, it

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 4>sounds like there already are more guardrails, more access to HR,

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 4>more clear reporting channels in place. I think that this

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 4>settlement and the oversight of the Attorney's General who investigated

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 4>and then came to these terms with the NBSL, that

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 4>oversight that they're providing. I think is a lot of

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 4>incentive for the league to follow the guardrails that have

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 4>been set in place. I think some of those things

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:08.280
<v Speaker 4>are these very clear reporting channels, background checks on coaches

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 4>and athletic trainers. The NDBSL has to send updates status reports.

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.479
<v Speaker 4>If there has been misconduct, they have to send that up.

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 4>And so I think that it is a strong incentive,

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 4>a financial incentive, and also just like a public opinion

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 4>incentive for the NDBSL to be successful in meeting these

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:30.880
<v Speaker 4>new standards, reporting on them successfully, and making sure that

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 4>this doesn't happen again in the future. I think that

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.399
<v Speaker 4>there is no way to say that nothing is ever

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.399
<v Speaker 4>going to happen again, but my hope is that if

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.479
<v Speaker 4>it ever did, God forbid, it would be handled better

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 4>than it has been handled in the past. I think

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 4>one other point that I've been really interested in hearing

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 4>about is the protections for the front office staff. I

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 4>feel as a player we are so protected by our

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.959
<v Speaker 4>players associations. We are given resources, they have our back

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 4>if something in our contract and being met. The Players Association,

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 4>the union, that collective power is there for us, and

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 4>sometimes I do worry that front office staff who could

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 4>equally be in vulnerable positions. This is also their dream

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 4>to work in professional women's soccer. I have seen firsthand

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 4>front office and support staff be in similarly horrible situations

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 4>that they shouldn't be in, and I hope now that

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 4>these HR guardrails are there for them. That is my hope.

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 4>But without the backing of the union, I do sometimes

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 4>worry that it's possible for those situations to continue. And

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:36.879
<v Speaker 4>I don't know enough about it to say for sure,

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 4>but I do hope that moving forward that this settlement

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:42.359
<v Speaker 4>fund and the guardrails that have been put in place

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.280
<v Speaker 4>will be enough to make this league safer.

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.839
<v Speaker 1>That's certainly what we saw in San Diego, and when

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I was with the Red Stars, there was no HR right.

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Things like that that are important, you know. Another kind

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>of I think tentacle of all of that is protecting

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>the players or porting the players with an understanding of

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 1>the space that they're currently in. We just had Congressman

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Laurie Trehannon and we talked about how there are so

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>many outspoken folks that are speaking against trans athletes, but

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 1>more often than not, professional women's athletes are actually in

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 1>favor of inclusion and science backed and inclusive policy. Do

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 1>you have a sense about why we maybe haven't seen

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>many players in the NWSL speak up. It's like it

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:29.240
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't seem like something we've seen a big stance

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 1>on other than the armbands and gestures like that.

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm interested as well. Do I like your idea

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:40.360
<v Speaker 4>of perhaps the league providing more education on how to

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:44.399
<v Speaker 4>speak about these topics. I think that in my experience

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 4>as a player, when you're making a public statement, you

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 4>want to feel really prepared because you are putting your

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 4>words out there knowing that they will be disagreed with

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 4>by some. I think for myself, when I am speaking

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 4>on an issue, I do so because I believe that

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.400
<v Speaker 4>it is the right thing to say, and I believe

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 4>that having a platform and getting to talk about women's

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 4>sports all the time requires that I also speak to

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 4>the things that I feel strongly about. I am really

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 4>interested in the idea of the league or the clubs

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:20.280
<v Speaker 4>providing more education, media training, access to information about what's true.

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 4>Why should we not be concerned about this? Why how

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 4>can we talk about it in this way?

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because like with Trump's executive order, now it

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:28.919
<v Speaker 1>feels like there's going to be a lot more things

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>that professional women athletes actually have the lived experience to

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>talk about and would be the strongest and best voices

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.360
<v Speaker 1>to speak out about what actually is needed in the

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>women's sports space, what resources are missing, as opposed to

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the folks that are just dudes who

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 1>are using it as a political cudgel.

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 4>I completely agree. I think it's really important, and I

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 4>hope that as you know, this kind of political should

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 4>show that we're in healthscape, healthcape. I hope and I

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 4>do trust a lot of my former teammates, our colleagues

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 4>in this space that we will continue to use our

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:07.959
<v Speaker 4>platforms to advocate for what's right, to advocate for trans rights.

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:11.320
<v Speaker 4>But I also will say that for young players in

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 4>the league, we have some sixteen year olds in the league,

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 4>maybe they do need that education, those access to media

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 4>training ac us on how to speak about this, how

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:21.280
<v Speaker 4>to engage with it on social media, how to engage

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 4>with it in our lives. I have gone through a

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 4>lot of, you know, social justice situations throughout my playing career,

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 4>and I have cultivated my own opinions in my own

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 4>ways of addressing them. But I think a lot of

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 4>players are a lot younger and have not been through

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 4>those situations yet, and they do perhaps need to gain

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 4>some experience in speaking about them privately and publicly.

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Sam Muis Broadcast School will be launching weekend.

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 6>Classes with head Professor Sarah Space, overseen by Roger Bennett,

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<v Speaker 6>who somehow manages to make every topic joyful even when

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 6>he's calling people out for their shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, only because we should end on a slightly lighter note.

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>What coffee brand should NWSL Boston sell in the stadium?

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you gotta sell Duncan. I know, I know

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 4>that some people are going to think that that is

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 4>not good. There are some incredible local coffee shops in

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 4>the Boston area. Mad House Coffee is awesome. I don't

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 4>know if they make their own, you know, kind of beans,

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 4>but I do love that place. But you gotta have Duncan.

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.240
<v Speaker 4>It's just so Boston. It's so Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>You're truly a Boston gal. Your your allegiance to Duncan.

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Next time we have you, we'll talk about too many

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>balls and we'll see if you're getting any inside meetings

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.839
<v Speaker 1>over there to help transform their launch and get them

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>on the right side. Of things so that when they

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>come back out to the public, everybody is excited and

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 1>enthusiastic about that expansion team.

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 4>As a Boston girl, I do hope that they can,

0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, kind of recapture their fan base and figure

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 4>out what brand that they want to portray. And I'm

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:05.799
<v Speaker 4>rooting for them. I love Boston and I hope it

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 4>goes well. I'm here for it.

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.879
<v Speaker 2>Sam, You're the best. Thanks so much for the time.

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to get back to listening to your show,

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 1>both the Friendlies and the Good Vibes editions.

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>We love all of them, so thanks for giving us

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 2>some time.

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much to Sam for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Marian De Swart.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Game, Sam, Good Game, Naysmith Hall of Fame finalists

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<v Speaker 1>you quote unquote visionaries who managed to build a world

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<v Speaker 1>full of invisible bias towards men. Good Game with Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Spain is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with

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<v Speaker 1>Production by Wonder Media Network, our producers are Alex Azzie

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<v Speaker 1>and Misha Jones. Our executive producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz,

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<v Speaker 1>Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Our editors are Emily Ugh,

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<v Speaker 1>Jones and I'm Your host Sarah Spain