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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're still

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Speaker 2: Y'all, I'm for klemped talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you

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Speaker 1: Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island discuss.

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, February eighteenth, and on today show, we'll be

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Speaker 1: chatting with one of our absolute faves, Sam Muis, former

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Speaker 1: host of the Women's Game podcast on the Men.

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Speaker 2: And Blazers Network. We'll talk about the US roster for the.

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Speaker 1: She Beliefs Cup, head coach Emma Hayes, desire to reimagine

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Speaker 1: women's soccer, and a whirlwind off season full of weddings.

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Speaker 1: Plus college hoops gets a ranking shakeup, it's a major award,

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Speaker 1: and we get a little petty tender gress.

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Speaker 2: It's all coming up right after this Welcome back slices.

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Speaker 2: Here's what you need to know today.

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Speaker 1: In hoops news, The Naysmith Basketball Hall of Fame announced

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Speaker 1: the finalists for its class of twenty twenty five, and

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Speaker 1: Sue Bird, Maya Moore, and Sylvia Fowls all.

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Speaker 1: Byrd is a four time WNBA champ and a five

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Speaker 1: appearances in league history. Moore won two golds with Team

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Speaker 1: Fowls is a four time gold medalist, two time WNBA

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Speaker 1: the w and the American Basketball League, is as well.

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Speaker 1: Fun fact, Yukon star Azy Fudd is named after Jennifer Azy.

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Speaker 1: Next step will be the Nasmith Honors Committee considering these names,

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Speaker 1: and then the new class will be announced on April fifth.

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Speaker 1: At the NCAA Men's Final four to college hoops this

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Speaker 1: weekend was Chaos.

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Speaker 1: Yukon made a statement against number four South Carolina, knocking

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Speaker 1: Yes you heard me right, eighty seven to fifty eight.

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Speaker 1: That was a twenty nine point shalacking. And the aforementioned

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Speaker 1: senior Page Beckers and freshman Sarah Strong added double doubles,

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Speaker 1: to number eleven Connecticut's all time scoring list during the game.

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Speaker 1: Here's the call moments after it happened, right in front

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Speaker 1: of the player she passed on the list, Rebecca Lobo.

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Speaker 3: Date Becker is just poet by you.

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Speaker 3: We were going to cut the crassed off at eleven,

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Rebecca Lobo because she keeps me giggling

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Speaker 1: Right after the Yukon SC game number three, Texas hosted

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Speaker 1: we'll link to this week's restructured AP Top twenty five

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Speaker 2: Show notes More hoops.

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Speaker 1: We know the unrival players are still out of breath

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Speaker 1: Nafisa Collier two hundred thousand dollars richer after her victory

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Speaker 1: now the host of the Fantastic The Women's Game podcast,

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Speaker 1: part of the Men in Blazer's digital network, The Tower

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Speaker 1: of Power, Mother of Finn Wedding Attendee of the Year

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Speaker 1: it's Sammy Mwis.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Sam, Hi.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I don't think I do Wedding

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Speaker 4: Attendee of the Year. I think that award exclusively goes

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Speaker 2: I love to hear that because I love a lessonnaire.

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Speaker 1: But she's also you know, she's uncle there, you like

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Speaker 2: She knows to be there. That's fine. I know here.

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Speaker 1: I know that brings us to the wedding speed round,

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Speaker 1: which is actually what we're starting with. How many did

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Speaker 4: I went to three, which is not very many, considering

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Speaker 1: See, we're all working on that. There's a lot of

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the wildest, but I thought

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Speaker 1: And also, of course Lynn wearing a wedding dress that

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Speaker 4: Know what both weddings and her husband Marlee also wore

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Speaker 1: Okay, which one of those three ceremonies. Did you have

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Speaker 2: It's official.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows uh someone who's getting married or retiring, and

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Speaker 1: which is the She Beliefs Cup.

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Speaker 4: First and foremost, the balance of player who were on

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Speaker 4: when they're with the national team, with they're with their

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Speaker 4: club teams, when they're when they're at home training, because

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Speaker 4: I think that the communication between national team and club

439
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Speaker 4: team has always been a little bit off, and I

440
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Speaker 4: think that for a group of people to be overseeing

441
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Speaker 4: the whole well rounded athlete and considering what's best for

442
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Speaker 4: them where they are in their mental cycle, how much

443
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Speaker 4: they're traveling going back and forth from club to country,

444
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Speaker 4: I think it's just a huge deal and it's so

445
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Speaker 4: important that Emma is implementing this. Now we have this

446
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Speaker 4: break in the cycle, she can get a lot done.

447
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Speaker 4: We have this thirty million dollar gift from Michelle King,

448
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Speaker 4: and that's really going to, I think, support this movement

449
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Speaker 4: to improve the experience for women athletes in the us

450
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Speaker 4: ACA program.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the way you're talking about it has me thinking

452
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Speaker 1: about this interesting nuance where you're both humans and products,

453
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Speaker 1: because ultimately, if you had essentially two major businesses that

454
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Speaker 1: shared an important product, they would have to communicate about

455
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Speaker 1: that product. And in this sense, there hasn't been great

456
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Speaker 1: communication from the national team to the clubs about what's

457
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Speaker 1: going to make that product work right. And we saw

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Speaker 1: it unfortunately after the Olympics with some players that had

459
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Speaker 1: plans to come back to the NWSL and couldn't because

460
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Speaker 1: of injuries that they felt were sustained with their national

461
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Speaker 1: team because of mishandling. And so that is the same

462
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Speaker 1: case that has to happen here in terms of the

463
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Speaker 1: US communicating with clubs. I also think, you know, when

464
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Speaker 1: you are not intentional about seeing the ways things are

465
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Speaker 1: made for men, it's easy to miss them. And when

466
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Speaker 1: you suddenly decide to take your gaze and look at

467
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Speaker 1: it and say, what might have been made with men

468
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Speaker 1: in mind is the default. It suddenly becomes clear everywhere.

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Speaker 1: There's this great book in Visible Women. It's about exposing

470
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Speaker 1: like data bias in a world that's designed for men,

471
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Speaker 1: in all the spaces that we don't even think about

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Speaker 1: it as simple as like what temperature.

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Speaker 2: Rooms are and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like she's like applying that mindset

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Speaker 1: to this. And one thing she said is she wants

476
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Speaker 1: you to ask soccer to have a distinct women's coaching

477
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Speaker 1: education department, so the licenses would be specifically tailored to

478
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Speaker 1: women's soccer, so physiologically, anatomically, technically, tactically.

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Speaker 2: Psychologically, socially, and emotionally, which.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, duh, I know. I mean, it's kind

481
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Speaker 1: of like the sports bra. It's like, yeah, duh, why

482
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Speaker 1: didn't we have a bar that you could go to

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Speaker 1: that had all the women's sports? And now I was like, yeah,

484
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Speaker 1: do why don't we have licenses specific.

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Speaker 2: To women's sports? Because one thing this feels like to

486
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Speaker 2: me is this could be.

487
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Speaker 1: The step that we need to help solve the problem

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Speaker 1: of abuse and toxicity that's so rampant in women's soccer,

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Speaker 1: Like having people have to get actual training specific not

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Speaker 1: just to soccer, but to women.

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Speaker 2: Does that feel like to you that could be this

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Speaker 2: important step?

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Speaker 4: I think that, I mean, this mindset and this approach

494
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Speaker 4: to the women's game is certainly leading us along a

495
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Speaker 4: better path towards preventing abuse and harassment, like we have

496
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Speaker 4: just recently been talking so much about with the settlement

497
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Speaker 4: fund coming home with the Nbasel. And I think to

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Speaker 4: your point earlier Emma's inclusion of this licensing for coaches

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Speaker 4: to be trained and licensed for the women's game, there

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Speaker 4: are tactical differences in the game. I was reading in

501
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Speaker 4: this article about the expected goals ratio that has been

502
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Speaker 4: studied in the men's game doesn't always apply in the

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Speaker 4: same way to the women's game. And why is that?

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Speaker 4: We have no idea and we should figure that out,

505
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Speaker 4: even as much as the type of hotels that the

506
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Speaker 4: team is staying in to account for our women gathering

507
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Speaker 4: in social spaces differently than the men are, and can

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Speaker 4: we consider that when we're putting our team here for

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Speaker 4: a month, shouldn't we consider the spaces that we're being

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Speaker 4: social And I find it so fascinating and I'd love

511
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Speaker 4: to read that book that you suggest. I think we

512
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Speaker 4: can all learn so much more about this because we

513
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Speaker 4: do all kind of go through our lives not even

514
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Speaker 4: realizing how much of the world is designed for men.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, put the link to the book in the

516
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Speaker 1: show notes. Everyone should read. It's everything from like crash

517
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Speaker 1: Dummies to you know, science studies and medical studies and everything,

518
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Speaker 1: and how much there is intention behind everything. Just because

519
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Speaker 1: it arrives to us already done doesn't mean that somebody

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Speaker 1: didn't plan it when they started it. I have a

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Speaker 1: quick question for you that I've asked a number of

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Speaker 1: people in the soccer space, and I'm wondering if you

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Speaker 1: have a brilliant thought on it. I know that there's

524
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Speaker 1: abuse across girls and women's sports of every kind, but

525
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it feels to me like soccer has

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Speaker 1: a prevalence that's different. And a lot of the spaces

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Speaker 1: it might be an overseeing body or one person who

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Speaker 1: manages an entire national team that's the problem. But in soccer,

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Speaker 1: it's like, how does this happen on so many teams

530
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Speaker 1: in so many spaces, in so many countries.

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Speaker 2: And I'm my.

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Speaker 1: Theory, which is terrible, probably, but is that there's a

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Speaker 1: subjectivity to the sport that allows coaches to use their

534
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Speaker 1: power dynamic differently, like with five starters in basketball, and

535
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Speaker 1: a very clear idea of like who's out there doing

536
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Speaker 1: the best. It's a little harder to threaten someone with

537
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Speaker 1: benching or to not play them and claim that it's

538
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Speaker 1: for a valid reason, versus with soccer. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: more players. You can claim it's a strategic difference or

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Speaker 1: that someone's just not a fit.

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Speaker 2: Is that part of it?

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Speaker 1: Is there more power in the coach to make those

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Speaker 1: decisions and hold them over players.

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Speaker 4: I don't have any opposition to what you just said.

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Speaker 4: I haven't necessarily thought about it in terms of the

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Speaker 4: subjectivity of the sport, but I find that interesting. I've

547
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Speaker 4: heard Tobin Heath talk about this before and describe it

548
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Speaker 4: as kind of US soccer having a monopoly on the dream.

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Speaker 4: And when you're a little girl and you are watching

550
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Speaker 4: the national team play, there was as I was growing

551
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Speaker 4: up and a lot of players in my generation, there

552
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Speaker 4: was one path to get to that team. There was

553
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Speaker 4: one way to do it. You had to go through

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Speaker 4: the system. You had to get called into the youth

555
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Speaker 4: national teams. You had to go to a good college,

556
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Speaker 4: you had to play in whatever league was available and

557
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Speaker 4: put up with whatever abuses were going on, and you

558
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Speaker 4: had to do all of these right and career steps

559
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Speaker 4: while being watched by US Soccer to then make the

560
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Speaker 4: national team. There's only one path. And that's kind of

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Speaker 4: how I've maybe thought about why it has seemed more

562
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Speaker 4: rampant in our sport or more prevalent right now. I

563
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Speaker 4: also think we have been going through this reckoning and

564
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Speaker 4: we are dealing with it head on, and it feels

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Speaker 4: very much so out there and in the media right now,

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Speaker 4: and I think that for the future and the growth

567
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Speaker 4: of the game, we are grappling with it, and that

568
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Speaker 4: is in the hopes that in the future it will

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Speaker 4: get better and go and we can prevent it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna have to have like a round table

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Speaker 1: of the soccer minds and maybe folks from other sports too,

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Speaker 1: because I'm interested in hearing like if they all got

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Speaker 1: together and talked, would they be able to root out

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Speaker 1: some of the primary reasons and could we work on

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Speaker 1: either the pipelines or the people in charge in those

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Speaker 1: places or whatever to help stop it in all the

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Speaker 1: different sports and spaces. Have you heard from players playing

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Speaker 1: under Emma about how this approach and her view on

579
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Speaker 1: things is already clear in the way she coaches or

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Speaker 1: works with them.

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Speaker 4: Well, so it's funny that you asked that. I did

582
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Speaker 4: just recently talk to Lynn about this, and she was saying, Yes,

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Speaker 4: they're doing a lot of new menstrual cycle tracking, and

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Speaker 4: that was something that even when I was on the

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Speaker 4: national team maybe five six years ago, we were starting

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Speaker 4: to implement that. I mean, we always had these surveys

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Speaker 4: that we filled out every morning to kind of track

588
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Speaker 4: our wellness and how we were feeling, and the menstrual

589
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Speaker 4: cycle started to become part of that. But Linn says,

590
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Speaker 4: they're talking more about the science of when you're in

591
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Speaker 4: this phase of your cycle, you actually don't need to

592
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Speaker 4: lift as heavy because the stimulus on your body is

593
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Speaker 4: just as much since your body is being drained by

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Speaker 4: maybe where you are in your cycle. So I think

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Speaker 4: that as they start to do more work in that area,

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Speaker 4: that will tie into nutrition, understanding when you're ovulating, understanding

597
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Speaker 4: what changes you need to make throughout your cycle. So

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Speaker 4: she said specifically that in that area some of those

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Speaker 4: changes have been made.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I actually moderated a panel at the Gatorade Sports Science

602
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Speaker 1: Institute with like the leading global expert on that, and

603
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Speaker 1: the research is still not good enough to make sweeping changes,

604
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Speaker 1: but it's useful to track and think about. And there

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Speaker 1: are some teams and clubs that have gone public with

606
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Speaker 1: saying that we're going to try to practice based on

607
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Speaker 1: when people are ovulating and sinking, and they found that

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Speaker 1: there's actually not a lot of good research behind doing that,

609
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Speaker 1: but there is plenty to be learned by studying the

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Speaker 1: parts of the cycle and how they affect lifting and

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Speaker 1: everything else. Kate Ackerman, who's a doctor who works with

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Speaker 1: the WUSAYE lines that got a massive grant to try

613
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Speaker 1: to understand this stuff, particularly women's bodies in elite performance,

614
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Speaker 1: is kind of helping wrangle all these different people that

615
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Speaker 1: are studying that. And I'll be fascinated to see if

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Speaker 1: the US women's national team ends up getting enough research

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Speaker 1: to contribute to things like that at the highest level,

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Speaker 1: because part of it is there's just a dearth of

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Speaker 1: data in the women's space to actually provide enough to

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Speaker 1: know that you can move forward with decisions about how

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Speaker 1: something like ovulating might affect your performance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think even this comment that Emma made, how

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Speaker 4: she only called into goalkeepers for on three player roster,

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Speaker 4: that's unusual. Normally on a twenty three player roster there

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Speaker 4: would be three. But even Emma saying I wanted an

626
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Speaker 4: extra field player because these players are still in preseason

627
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Speaker 4: and I need access to more subs, even that, to

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Speaker 4: me is Emma showing her awareness of where these players

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Speaker 4: are at in their year, in the cycle of their year.

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Speaker 4: They're coming off of an offseason. Sure, they had this

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Speaker 4: January camp, they had the futures camp. They are in

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Speaker 4: preseason with their club teams, but how many of these

633
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Speaker 4: players are ready to play ninety minutes three games in

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Speaker 4: a row.

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Speaker 2: Fair?

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Speaker 4: It was so smart of Emma. And it stinks to

637
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Speaker 4: be the third goalkeeper who's not going to be on

638
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Speaker 4: the game rosters. But it's showing this thoughtfulness from Emma

639
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Speaker 4: that I don't know that we've seen before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can you think of specific ways that this approach

641
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Speaker 1: being around in your playing days might have affected you?

642
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Speaker 1: I mean she mentioned everything from media understanding how social

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Speaker 1: media photographs that go public might affect players, to coaches.

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Speaker 2: Being sensitive to women's says.

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Speaker 1: She's like, is there a moment that you remember from

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Speaker 1: your career, or you know, if specific great, if bigger

647
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: picks are fine, but like where you're like, it would

648
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Speaker 1: have been great if the people in charge had thought

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Speaker 1: about this as a women's sport.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. I mean the pictures thing, I totally

651
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Speaker 4: stand by. I think that it's so interesting just the

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Speaker 4: whole media landscape that I've learned so much more about

653
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Speaker 4: it now as a editor in chief of a women's

654
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Speaker 4: soccer vertical. But it is so interesting that like, somebody

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Speaker 4: who works for the team can take a picture of

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Speaker 4: you and post it and you never get to see it,

657
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Speaker 4: and what if you have a double chin right, or

658
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 4: your hair looks bad or you don't like it, or

659
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Speaker 4: your legs don't look the way you want them to.

660
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Speaker 4: And so I think for her to even be thinking

661
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Speaker 4: of that minuscule of a detail and just thinking about

662
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Speaker 4: these athletes as people and as whole people who these

663
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: athletes on the national team today have to worry about

664
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Speaker 4: their media appearance and they're how they're being portrayed. And

665
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Speaker 4: I think that it's just such an important distinction. And

666
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Speaker 4: I the more I learn about Emma and hear her

667
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Speaker 4: talk about this stuff, the more, I'm like, Wow, the

668
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: national team is in such great hands, I think for me,

669
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Speaker 4: and this is something I've been pretty open about. I

670
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Speaker 4: never was I got a chronic injury in twenty seventeen

671
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: that was always going to be a part of the

672
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Speaker 4: rest of my career, and I never really felt like

673
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Speaker 4: the communication to manage what was always going to be

674
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Speaker 4: an injury that was going to get worse and worse

675
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Speaker 4: and worse as I went. Nobody ever really fully explained

676
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Speaker 4: it to the other side, explained what my load was,

677
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Speaker 4: explained how we could make my career last longer, to

678
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Speaker 4: the point where four years later I played my last

679
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 4: game and nobody really could do anything about it. I

680
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 4: just got run into the ground. It happens, but it's

681
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 4: super unfortunate, and I do think that had there been

682
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Speaker 4: better communication and more awareness of the situation that I

683
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Speaker 4: was in with cartilage damage and a knee that was

684
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Speaker 4: getting worn down, my career could have been longer.

685
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Speaker 1: That's hard, Yeah, I mean so much of it is

686
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: just a desire to be aware of things like that

687
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Speaker 1: of every aspect, and to your point about the players

688
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: and the photographs, like a lot of people might kind

689
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: of roll their eyes and be like, that's part of

690
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Speaker 1: being in the public view or do men say that?

691
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Speaker 1: And the problem is is that there is an oversized

692
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Speaker 1: emphasis on the esthetic part of being a woman in

693
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Speaker 1: the world, and whether we want to feel that way

694
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: about it or not, it is a reality that it

695
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: can affect our careers, and it can affect sponsorships, that

696
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Speaker 1: it can affect the way people see you. And so

697
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: many of the photographers are male, and so many of

698
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Speaker 1: the people making the decisions are not aware of it,

699
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Speaker 1: like I was part of I was on the board

700
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Speaker 1: for the Gateway Women's Advisory Board for all of its

701
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Speaker 1: years of existence, and we actually had a breakout session

702
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Speaker 1: once where we went through dozens and dozens of sport

703
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Speaker 1: photographs and picked the ones that we felt like actually

704
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Speaker 1: the player would like, showed them in action, all these

705
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Speaker 1: other things, and gave guidance for Gatoray to give back

706
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Speaker 1: to their photographers on shoots based on those of us

707
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Speaker 1: in the media, those of us were professional athletes in

708
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Speaker 1: the room. All of that, because it does matter whether

709
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Speaker 1: you want to roll your eze or not, Like, there

710
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Speaker 1: is an oversized impact on women in terms of representation

711
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Speaker 1: in that way.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I just I's thinking about it.

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Speaker 4: I know, and the other part of that for me,

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Speaker 4: I was just talking about this with my team the

715
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Speaker 4: other day. The women in sport have always been forced

716
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Speaker 4: into caring more about this kind of taking the wall down,

717
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: showing our lives on social media, worrying about our appearance,

718
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 4: worrying about do people like my personality? Because the paychecks

719
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Speaker 4: haven't been coming from the sport, they've been coming from

720
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Speaker 4: how do brands like me? How does my audience like me?

721
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Speaker 4: How much engagement am I getting does this company want

722
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Speaker 4: to work with me? So historically we have always had

723
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Speaker 4: more of a concern to appear better in photographs and

724
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Speaker 4: to kind of market ourselves off the field, because the

725
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Speaker 4: industry has rewarded us for that in a way that men,

726
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Speaker 4: male athletes don't usually have to worry about.

727
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Speaker 1: Completely agree, my male colleagues at ESPN would always be like,

728
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Speaker 1: I don't envy that you have to spend your time

729
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Speaker 1: in hair and makeup, and I also understand that you

730
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Speaker 1: do because I'm on those same comments that you get

731
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Speaker 1: that are like, you know, I hate the earrings today

732
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Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, thanks. I actually had like a

733
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Speaker 1: meme save that just said Anna wintour or is that

734
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Speaker 1: you and I would send it.

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Speaker 2: To every old man that would be like, I don't

736
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Speaker 2: like your outfit. I'm like, okay, a a win tour,

737
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Speaker 2: but like, yeah, you have to waste your time.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I could be researching for the show that

739
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Speaker 1: you and I are both going to go on and

740
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Speaker 1: getting more data and facts to say, and said I

741
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Speaker 1: have to sit and make sure that like no one's

742
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Speaker 1: gonna say that like I look fat today or whatever. Anyway, Okay,

743
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Speaker 1: we have a couple more questions. I know we're running

744
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Speaker 1: out of time here. I want to get your reaction

745
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Speaker 1: to the NWSL's five million dollar player compensation fund. Do

746
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Speaker 1: you feel confident that the league has now put enough

747
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: measures in place to deal with both current issues like

748
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Speaker 1: in San Diego and Utah and prevent future issues?

749
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Speaker 4: You know, I think that again, in hearing from Lynn,

750
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Speaker 4: compared to when I was playing in the league, it

751
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: sounds like there already are more guardrails, more access to HR,

752
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: more clear reporting channels in place. I think that this

753
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Speaker 4: settlement and the oversight of the Attorney's General who investigated

754
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: and then came to these terms with the NBSL, that

755
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 4: oversight that they're providing. I think is a lot of

756
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Speaker 4: incentive for the league to follow the guardrails that have

757
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 4: been set in place. I think some of those things

758
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 4: are these very clear reporting channels, background checks on coaches

759
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: and athletic trainers. The NDBSL has to send updates status reports.

760
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 4: If there has been misconduct, they have to send that up.

761
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Speaker 4: And so I think that it is a strong incentive,

762
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Speaker 4: a financial incentive, and also just like a public opinion

763
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: incentive for the NDBSL to be successful in meeting these

764
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Speaker 4: new standards, reporting on them successfully, and making sure that

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Speaker 4: this doesn't happen again in the future. I think that

766
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Speaker 4: there is no way to say that nothing is ever

767
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Speaker 4: going to happen again, but my hope is that if

768
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Speaker 4: it ever did, God forbid, it would be handled better

769
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Speaker 4: than it has been handled in the past. I think

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Speaker 4: one other point that I've been really interested in hearing

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Speaker 4: about is the protections for the front office staff. I

772
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: feel as a player we are so protected by our

773
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Speaker 4: players associations. We are given resources, they have our back

774
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 4: if something in our contract and being met. The Players Association,

775
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 4: the union, that collective power is there for us, and

776
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Speaker 4: sometimes I do worry that front office staff who could

777
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: equally be in vulnerable positions. This is also their dream

778
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 4: to work in professional women's soccer. I have seen firsthand

779
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: front office and support staff be in similarly horrible situations

780
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Speaker 4: that they shouldn't be in, and I hope now that

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00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 4: these HR guardrails are there for them. That is my hope.

782
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Speaker 4: But without the backing of the union, I do sometimes

783
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: worry that it's possible for those situations to continue. And

784
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Speaker 4: I don't know enough about it to say for sure,

785
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: but I do hope that moving forward that this settlement

786
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 4: fund and the guardrails that have been put in place

787
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 4: will be enough to make this league safer.

788
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Speaker 1: That's certainly what we saw in San Diego, and when

789
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I was with the Red Stars, there was no HR right.

790
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: Things like that that are important, you know. Another kind

791
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: of I think tentacle of all of that is protecting

792
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: the players or porting the players with an understanding of

793
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: the space that they're currently in. We just had Congressman

794
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Speaker 1: Laurie Trehannon and we talked about how there are so

795
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Speaker 1: many outspoken folks that are speaking against trans athletes, but

796
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: more often than not, professional women's athletes are actually in

797
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: favor of inclusion and science backed and inclusive policy. Do

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00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: you have a sense about why we maybe haven't seen

799
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: many players in the NWSL speak up. It's like it

800
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem like something we've seen a big stance

801
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: on other than the armbands and gestures like that.

802
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm interested as well. Do I like your idea

803
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 4: of perhaps the league providing more education on how to

804
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 4: speak about these topics. I think that in my experience

805
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: as a player, when you're making a public statement, you

806
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: want to feel really prepared because you are putting your

807
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 4: words out there knowing that they will be disagreed with

808
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 4: by some. I think for myself, when I am speaking

809
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: on an issue, I do so because I believe that

810
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 4: it is the right thing to say, and I believe

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Speaker 4: that having a platform and getting to talk about women's

812
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 4: sports all the time requires that I also speak to

813
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 4: the things that I feel strongly about. I am really

814
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: interested in the idea of the league or the clubs

815
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Speaker 4: providing more education, media training, access to information about what's true.

816
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: Why should we not be concerned about this? Why how

817
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 4: can we talk about it in this way?

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Speaker 1: I mean, because like with Trump's executive order, now it

819
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: feels like there's going to be a lot more things

820
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Speaker 1: that professional women athletes actually have the lived experience to

821
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: talk about and would be the strongest and best voices

822
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Speaker 1: to speak out about what actually is needed in the

823
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Speaker 1: women's sports space, what resources are missing, as opposed to

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00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the folks that are just dudes who

825
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: are using it as a political cudgel.

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Speaker 4: I completely agree. I think it's really important, and I

827
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Speaker 4: hope that as you know, this kind of political should

828
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: show that we're in healthscape, healthcape. I hope and I

829
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Speaker 4: do trust a lot of my former teammates, our colleagues

830
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Speaker 4: in this space that we will continue to use our

831
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Speaker 4: platforms to advocate for what's right, to advocate for trans rights.

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Speaker 4: But I also will say that for young players in

833
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 4: the league, we have some sixteen year olds in the league,

834
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 4: maybe they do need that education, those access to media

835
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Speaker 4: training ac us on how to speak about this, how

836
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Speaker 4: to engage with it on social media, how to engage

837
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Speaker 4: with it in our lives. I have gone through a

838
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: lot of, you know, social justice situations throughout my playing career,

839
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Speaker 4: and I have cultivated my own opinions in my own

840
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: ways of addressing them. But I think a lot of

841
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 4: players are a lot younger and have not been through

842
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 4: those situations yet, and they do perhaps need to gain

843
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: some experience in speaking about them privately and publicly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Sam Muis Broadcast School will be launching weekend.

845
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Speaker 6: Classes with head Professor Sarah Space, overseen by Roger Bennett,

846
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 6: who somehow manages to make every topic joyful even when

847
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 6: he's calling people out for their shit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, only because we should end on a slightly lighter note.

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Speaker 1: What coffee brand should NWSL Boston sell in the stadium?

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Speaker 4: I mean, you gotta sell Duncan. I know, I know

851
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 4: that some people are going to think that that is

852
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 4: not good. There are some incredible local coffee shops in

853
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: the Boston area. Mad House Coffee is awesome. I don't

854
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: know if they make their own, you know, kind of beans,

855
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 4: but I do love that place. But you gotta have Duncan.

856
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 4: It's just so Boston. It's so Boston.

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Speaker 1: You're truly a Boston gal. Your your allegiance to Duncan.

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Speaker 1: Next time we have you, we'll talk about too many

859
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: balls and we'll see if you're getting any inside meetings

860
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: over there to help transform their launch and get them

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Speaker 1: on the right side. Of things so that when they

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Speaker 1: come back out to the public, everybody is excited and

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00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: enthusiastic about that expansion team.

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Speaker 4: As a Boston girl, I do hope that they can,

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of recapture their fan base and figure

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Speaker 4: out what brand that they want to portray. And I'm

867
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 4: rooting for them. I love Boston and I hope it

868
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 4: goes well. I'm here for it.

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Speaker 2: Sam, You're the best. Thanks so much for the time.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to get back to listening to your show,

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00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: both the Friendlies and the Good Vibes editions.

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