1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Is everyone in your family right handed? Yeah, everyone in 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: my immediate family, but both my grandparents were left handed. Interesting, 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: my mom is a south paw, but everybody else I 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: think normal, non demonic normal. Oh, my mom's the only 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: freak in my family. Very untrue. We all got it 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: from her, hi Mom. Well, closer and closer we get 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: to Halloween, it's speaking of demons. Yeah. All the left 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: handed people come out on Halloween and they feel they 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: blend in. They feel maybe I'll dress up as left 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: handed this year. That would really creep people out. Kids 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: would come up on the porch. Yeah, I would hand 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: him candy with my left hand and they'll scream and 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: run away. What a freak. It's just one of those costumes. 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: You think everything is normal and then left hand I 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: should You're the laziest costume. I also wouldn't be able 16 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: to do it very well. My left hand is useless completely. 17 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: I can do nothing with my left hand. I can't 18 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: write with my left hand, but I feel like I 19 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: do other things with it. I mean I type with it. 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: I was going to say it does the left side 21 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: of the keyboard, okay, um or a game controller, you know, 22 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: like just just hang there no, no, I don't let 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: it atrophy. But if you, if you were like quick, 24 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: use your left hand to accomplish this basic task or 25 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: the world will end. Like I'm very sorry everyone, but 26 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: we had a good run. That's it. Goodness I do 27 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: when I paint my nails, When I paint my right hand, 28 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: it's markedly worse I paint my left hand. You know, 29 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: it's just not side of my brain that I exercise 30 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: very much. I do feel like it's probably something you 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: can with a concerted effort, learned, sure extress. Maybe I 32 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: feel like those whatever, those neurons, those nerves, those signals 33 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: are already like hardened into place at my age, Like 34 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: I don't think hard. Yeah, there's no flexibility in like 35 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: the signals my brain is sending at this point, realized 36 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: brain as hard as a rock. Definitely. Point is it's 37 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: Halloween almost, it's Friday. Uh, feeling good, feeling spooky. That 38 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: means we've got two more recryptulous stories to tell you, 39 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: and we have a great one for you today. Very 40 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: excited about this one. The year is four, the place 41 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: Ireland spooky. Dame Alice Kitler was on her fourth husband 42 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: and all her stepchildren were pissed at her forgetting all 43 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: of their various dad's money after they die. But when 44 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: her fourth husband started getting mysteriously ill, they decided Alice 45 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: was disposing of her husband's in the most expedient way 46 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: she could, with the help of a demon, of course, 47 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: But it was her maid Petronella to me who would 48 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: suffer most from their accusations. Let's hear about Dame Alice Kitler, 49 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: the first recorded person to be condemned for witchcraft in Ireland. 50 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: Let's go hated friends, Eli, and welcome to Hell. There's 51 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: no matchmaking a romantic you were lying in crypt. I 52 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: love my dear demonic too, but if there's a sputed 53 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: with the ship entroduction and I have three. Alice Kitler 54 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: was born in twelve sixty three and kill, Kenny County, Ireland, 55 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: to Kenny County. Her family were will to do merchants 56 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: and she made a good marriage in twelve eighty to 57 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: William Outlaw. But I know I love it. Another wealthy 58 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: merchant and money lender, money lender named Bill Outlaw. Sure, yeah, 59 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: I'll borrow some money from Bill Outlet. Uh where did 60 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: this money come from? Bill Outlaw? No reason, just asking, 61 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: no questions asked, goes both ways, sir. They had one 62 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: son together, also named William Outlaw because that's a pretty 63 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: cool name. Sure, I understand why you might. Will passed 64 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: that one on Bill Outlaw Jr. And they possibly had 65 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: a daughter named Rose as well, but that's not certain. 66 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: But after only five years together, Papa Outlaw died and 67 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: Alice and her son inherited all his money and property 68 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: opened a tavern called Kitler's Inn, which is still an 69 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: operation today, and they were on their own for a 70 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: few years until thirteen o two when she married her 71 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: second husband, Adam Blunked, another money lender. He had children 72 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: from a previous marriage, like Alice, so they had like 73 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: a Brady Bunch situation going on. Nice combined mixed family. Now, 74 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: their marriage did start off a little rocky. It's not 75 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: recorded exactly why, but there must have been some mysterious 76 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding William outlaw seniors death, because Alice and Adam 77 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: faced brief accusations of murdering him together, but they both 78 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: had some powerful friends in the area. The accusations didn't 79 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: stick and I didn't last long. Alice's son, William Outlaw, 80 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: was declared an adult thirteen o three, and he even 81 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: became the mayor of Kilkenny in thirteen o five. Now, 82 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: he and his mother participated in the family business of 83 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: money lending, with William declaring in thirteen o three that 84 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: he was guarding three thousand pounds of their money. Now, 85 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: this is a time when a day's wage for a 86 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: laborer was between one and one and a half pennies 87 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: per day Damns would make. Yeah, and he's got three 88 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: thousand pounds. I love this penny and a half. Imagine 89 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: getting your raise, your halfpenny raised more. Pardon your best hat. 90 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: I got my happenny raised. Heady, We're going down to 91 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: the pub test celebrate. Who finally a mom worth some money? 92 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: A modest substance. I told mom one day he'd get 93 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: that happenny raise. He's like, drink, are on me? Just 94 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: one drink. We're all gonna share it. Blitter glass please. Okay. 95 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: So the money lending, the merchant trade business, this was booming. Yes, 96 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: Now Alice's combined little family, the Outlaws and the Blund's, 97 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: they were doing all right. They had a whole life 98 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 1: of prosperity. They were living large. Yeah, doing fine. Until 99 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: around seven when Adam blund died, Alice's stepchildren were dismayed 100 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: to discover that their father had signed over all his money, jewels, 101 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: and property to his stepson William Outlaws and canceled all 102 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: William's debts to him. Alice and William would get everything. 103 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: The Blundy bunch were suspicions. They said, this don't all right. 104 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: Why would their father leave no provision for them in 105 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: favor of a non blood relation. Did they suck? I know, right, 106 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: maybe they sucked because I mean maybe they sucked because 107 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: no moves were made against Alice quite yet. So they 108 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: were like Dad had a lot of reasons, stayed each 109 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: and everyone. I'm writing you outoy, will and I'm giving 110 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: it all to be stepson. Yes, may money's called going 111 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: to the outlaws, the knives out situation like you know what, 112 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: actually don't like any of y'all. Now. By thirteen o nine, 113 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: Alice had married her third husband, Richard Duval. He was 114 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: a wealthy landowner in County Tipperary. I hope he was 115 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: in better health, just like I gotta check up before 116 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: I marry again, right, I mean a twice widowed woman. 117 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: Maybe there's no suspicion because a lot of times. It 118 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: doesn't say how old any of these guys are there, 119 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: but I was like, surely she married older men, probably 120 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: especially her first husband, because that's just common at the time. 121 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: So maybe it was like, well whatever, they were probably 122 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: old enough to be your father. And he eventually died, 123 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: just like normal ship husbands die, oh the time. Now, 124 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: in her marriage with Richard Daval, she gained a few 125 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: more step children, including her new husband's eldest, also named 126 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: Richard Deval. Not a lot of originality in their naming. 127 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: It was like, it's like the Targarians, all right, but 128 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: so confusing though We've got seven names and we just 129 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: try and cycle through them. Not that, but Ray boots 130 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: and sequels with these guys. And it was Richard Jr. 131 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: Who would kick off the trouble with Alice because when 132 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: Papa Deval passed away in we all predicted he would, 133 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: Alice decided to use the legal system against the Devall 134 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: children to get her widows dower. A widow's dower is 135 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: basically money that a wife is entitled to in order 136 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: to support herself after her husband's death, and that's kind 137 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: of in case he he forgot to make a will 138 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: and didn't make any provision for her, so that she 139 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: would normally inherit whatever he want it or two. So 140 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: usually the default widow's dower was about one third of 141 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: the husband's estates. Now, clearly Alice had not gotten Papa 142 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: d Vall to sign everything over to her or her 143 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: son William outlaw by the time he died, so she 144 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: had taken up with the courts. But this might have 145 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: been a mistake on her part because Devall's children, particularly 146 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: Richard Jr. Were furious about this. Without her interference, they 147 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: would have inherited their father's money and property. But Alice 148 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: managed to snatch it up through the legal system, and 149 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: she wasn't worried. She got her dower and she just 150 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: moved right on. In fact, she married again in the 151 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: same year, this time to a man named John Lapore 152 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: p o e R. But he was not John l 153 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: p o o R. He was and he also had 154 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: some children of his own from a previous marriage. So 155 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: she's got so many stuff children. Man, at this point, 156 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: this is the modern family I'd like to watch. Now. 157 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: By now, Alice is fifty three years old, so she 158 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be married for the traditional reasons. Right, 159 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: She's got her own money, she runs her own business 160 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: with her son William. She's comfortably established, and she's past 161 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: child marrying age. But who's the same. She might have 162 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: just wanted some companionship. Of course, she might have met 163 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: this guy and he was super charming and she loved him. Yeah, 164 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: that's perfectly reasonable. Why not happens all the time exactly. 165 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: She could just want someone hand to hold in her 166 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: golden years, feed the pigeons something. But it was Hella 167 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: suspicious to everyone when John, a few years into their marriage, 168 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: started getting sick. He was weak and emaciated, His hair 169 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:57,239 Speaker 1: and nails were falling out. These were symptoms of arsenic poisoning, 170 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: and he started complaining to children about his health. He 171 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: even confided his suspicions, then, maybe Alice is poisoning me 172 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: right now. But even so, shortly before his death in 173 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: four he changed his will to favor Alice and her 174 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: son William Law, cutting out his other children completely. So 175 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: the Lapoor's decided to reach out to the Divalls and 176 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: the Bloody bunch and say, hey, you know, you all 177 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: don't have any reason to think that your step mom 178 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: killed your dad's do you. And of course They all 179 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: had the same exact reasons. Absolutely have the same reason 180 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: to say it. But yes, I think she did kill 181 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: him because only Alice and her son William profited from 182 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: their debts. So the step children decided that Alice was 183 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: a cold blooded killer, and she was marrying and discarding 184 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: wealthy husbands so she and her son could get the 185 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: Irish black widow. That's right. So what do you do 186 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: when an older woman crosses you and it's hundreds Well, 187 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: there's one obvious course of action. You accuse her of witchcraft, 188 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: of course, no brainer. Now we should note that men 189 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: and women back then were being accused of witchcraft. It 190 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: wasn't as much of a gendered term then as it 191 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: is now. Still predominantly fell on women, definitely, yeah, but 192 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: was it was not exclusively a term referring to women. Now, 193 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: all these step children decided that Alice had been using 194 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: some kind of sorcery to attract her husband's and get 195 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: them to sign over all their worldly property to her 196 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: and her son. But at the time witchcraft actually had 197 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: different connotations. Now, paganism might have been largely stamped out 198 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: by this point, but it's still had strong roots and 199 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: for medieval people Witchcraft was not only real, but he 200 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: was actually pretty important. Like poor people who couldn't afford 201 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: doctors would rely on medicines that were made by quotes 202 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: good witches through their work with herbalism and what they 203 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: called white magic. But those witches were also like a 204 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: convenient scapegoat when something went wrong. So even though they're like, oh, 205 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm feeling ill, to go down and see the witch 206 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: and see what they've got for me to take, and 207 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: then they take something and they're like, oh, I don't 208 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: feel so good now, or you know that I got no, 209 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: I got diarrhea. That witch she hursed me, and she's like, 210 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: that's what the pust's supposed to do. Yeah, it's getting 211 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: out for all the stuff that can you feel bad, 212 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: all those poison berries. Yet ate the dumbass. So you 213 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: never knew being a witch people love you one day, 214 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: people hate you the next day. Sounds a lot like 215 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: being a podcaster. Um oh yeah, real, they're really coming 216 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: after us. But according to History Ireland dot com, the 217 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: accusation of witchcraft was usually treated as pretty much a 218 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: petty criminal offense. So the kids in accusing her are 219 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: probably thinking, yeah, Alice left to go pay some fines, 220 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: she'll give us some of our money back, and then 221 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: maybe she will spend a year or two in jail. 222 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: Worst case scenario, just a cute little witchcraft accusation. Everybody 223 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: does it, no problem. But the attitude towards witchcraft was 224 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: taking a hard turn, led by the Church, and we 225 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: will find out more about that right after this commercial 226 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: break welcome back, which is for a long time, the 227 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: Church actually had no official position on magic um. It 228 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: just didn't believe magic existed, Like, yeah, it's just some 229 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: folk rituals and superstitions, nothing serious. Who cares what you're 230 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: telling me that the Church didn't like something, So they 231 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: just pretended it didn't exist. Sure, hard to believe, I know, 232 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: but that's what they did. So it wasn't until the 233 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: late thirteenth century that they began to view magical rituals 234 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: with suspicion. Pope Alexander the Fourth decided in twelve that 235 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: the Church should probably handle all accusations of witchcraft because 236 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: it's smacked of heresy, so it shouldn't be left to 237 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: secular They hate heresy. It was like the thing they 238 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: hate the most. It's the number one thing they hate, 239 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: and that actually paved the way for the inquisition. Witchcraft 240 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: started to be tied to Satan worship. Um people started 241 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: to believe that witches got their powers from demons that 242 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: they would call into the physical realm and then bind 243 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: to them in various ways, and how they got their power. 244 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: You're telling me that the church didn't like something so 245 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: they decided to say that it was satan worship. I 246 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: hate to lob wild accusation at the church, but in 247 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: this case, Yeah, it's very clear that that's exactly. I 248 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: guess that this would be the only time they ever 249 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: did that. Just the ones though, Yeah, exactly. They really 250 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: learned from this one. Now. Even though the Inquisition wouldn't 251 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: really heat up pun intended for another century or so, 252 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: there were some adherents to church law who were very 253 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: enthusiastic about prosecuting these witchcraft charges, including the guy Alice's 254 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: stepchildren took their accusations to the Bishop of Ossory, Richard Lidredd. Wow, 255 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: between him and the outlaws, everybody's just really living up 256 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: to their names here. Richard L. Dread had been made 257 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: a bishop thanks to Pope John the twenty Is that 258 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: real that many John's Yeah, it's now that's what I 259 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 1: called Pope. Well, Pope John was real scared of witches 260 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: because back when John was just a bishop, someone had 261 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: tried to assassinate him using poison and sorcery, or probably 262 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: just poison is my guess. So he was convinced that 263 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: witches were out to get him. He told everyone that 264 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: under his watch, witchcraft was heresy and the inquisitors should 265 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: investigate any charges of witchcraft using any means necessary. If 266 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: anyone was caught studying, practicing, or even talking about using witchcraft, 267 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: they would be excommunicated. Now, Richard Ladrette was like drooling 268 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: about this. This sound yes, Pope John, Yes, say more. 269 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: There can be no stone intended for order. So he 270 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: was on board, and he was this really over zealous 271 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: kind of guy, total teacher's pet right, and he believed 272 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: in the ultimate authority of the church and their right 273 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: to apply their authority with what have a thought they wanted. 274 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: So when Richard Jr. And all the other stepchildren came 275 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: to him with their accusations, they were like, Hey, our 276 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: stepmom's a witch. Why don't you go slap her on 277 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: the wrist? Ladrette was more than ready to help prosecute 278 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: her and anyone in her orbit to the full extent 279 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: of the law, and this included all of the servants 280 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: who worked at Kitler's in they were seen as followers 281 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: of Alice Kitler. They laid out seven accusations against Alice. 282 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: One denying the how are of Christ and of the Church, 283 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: because during this period of history, if you were not, 284 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: like if you renounced your faith or you said you're 285 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: questioning anything, you were basically seen as shifting toward devil worship. 286 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: It was like you were with God or you were 287 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: with the devil. There's no other place for you to go. 288 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: Number two cutting up animals to scatter at crossroads as 289 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: sacrifices the demons. I kind of wonder about this one, 290 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: because really they saw some like animal parts at crossroads. 291 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: I don't think they necessarily did. I guess I think 292 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: they could have just said it. They could have just 293 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: said it, I'm just gonna have chicken. Yeah, we already 294 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: cleaned it up right. Three having them sex with the 295 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: incubus Robin or Robert artisan. This is a demon. The 296 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: incubus was a demon. The incubus's name is Robert. Yes, 297 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: I think that's why I love Robin, because it's a 298 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: derivative of Robert. I guess he's like Robin. Now. This 299 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: demon took the form of a cat, a shaggy dog, 300 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: or a black man, usually depicted as a Theopus, the 301 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: mystical founder of Ethiopia. Okay, they were like, we need 302 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: to make sure there's some racist ship in here too. 303 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: It's been a while since we've been racist. I imagine 304 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: that they're talking to they're talking to Richard the Dread 305 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: and they're like, and the demon. Sometimes he would show 306 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: up as a cat and Richard the dreadline and they're like, oh, 307 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: sometimes it was a shaggy dog, got anything else? And 308 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: sometimes he would be our black back. Oh my goodness. 309 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: Done before healing the church keys and holding secret coven 310 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: meetings with her followers at night, including her maid Petronella 311 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: Demi and many others, burning candles without permission, heinous crime, 312 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: and holding rituals to undermine and awe overpower the church. 313 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: Five asking demons were invited on witchcraft, no asking. If 314 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: you've got to do it, you better do it yourself. 315 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: Alice is like, well, who am I supposed to ask? 316 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: I'll still have dear dear Abberdon, my son and I 317 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: are having a bit of a spat. And the sixth 318 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: accusation laid against Alice bewitching and killing her husband's to 319 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: take their money for herself and her son, William Outlaw. 320 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: It's right there in his name. That one seems like 321 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: the most obvious, probably the most legit charge of the seventh. 322 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: She definitely been tried to kill, killed at least one 323 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: of those guys, and probably all of them. I think 324 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: she did do station nothing, she damn Okay, alright, alright, 325 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: gloves are off, We're out of the train now, okay. 326 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: And the seventh and final accusation was that she and 327 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: her followers had placed the intestines and internal organs of roosters, 328 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: what words, nails cut from dead bodies, and the hair 329 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: from the buttets and clothes of boys who had died 330 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: before being saptized, mixed all of these and the decapitated 331 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: skull of a Robert, and then created potions that incited 332 00:23:54,600 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: people to love, hate, kill, and afflict Christians. Why incredible stuff? 333 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: What a what an ingredients list? Imagine showing up at 334 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: the Farber's market with that. Let's see, I need some roosters. Okay, 335 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: you've got chickens that's fine, that's fine. Um, how about 336 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: some worms. Okay, maybe bait shop kind of stuff. Um, 337 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: you got any nails cut from dead bodies. While you're 338 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: on those bodies, you flip over to the buttocks and 339 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: get me some of the hair. Yeah, I need butt 340 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: hair from an unbaptized boys. But I've dout tot frog 341 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: hair of and baptized boys at a little car to mom. 342 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: In fact, some of those ingredients were actually immortalized in 343 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: William Butler Yates poem nineteen hundred and nineteen. So let's 344 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: hear that section with just a quick stop in poetry corner. 345 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: But now wind drops, dust settles thereupon there lurches past 346 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: his great eyes without thought, under the shadow of stupid 347 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: straw pale locks, that insolent fiend Robert Artisan, to whom 348 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: the love lord Lady Kitler brought bronzed peacock feathers, red 349 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: combs of her cocks. He's like saying roosters, But what 350 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean is people sticks in her hands. She did 351 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: do it with this guy. Also, Also, I love these 352 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: stupid blonde hair. That's ugly blonde hair. So well, that 353 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: was sexy stuff for La Darette. He proceeded to immediately 354 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: a call for Alice's arrest. He wrote to the King 355 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: Chancellor in Ireland, citing the decreetl inquisitiontionis from and this 356 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: stated that for the protection of the faith, secular powers 357 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: needed to obey bishops and arrest any accused and deliver 358 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: them into the power or prisons of the bishops. Now, 359 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: History Ireland dot Com writes, quote la Drede quoted this 360 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: decreetle on every possible occasion. Therein lay the seeds of 361 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: conflict because the secular powers, which was like the legal 362 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: system in Ireland, they didn't think that they should have 363 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: to arrest anyone simply on the word of the bishop. Right, 364 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: the church and state battle going on here, and the 365 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: true struggle here wasn't really about Alice at all. It 366 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: was actually about how much authority the church should have 367 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 1: over the law. And unfortunately for Ladred, the chancellor he 368 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: wrote to was Roger Outlaw, Alice's first husband's brother, and 369 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: he was actually on Alice's side. I guess he didn't 370 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: think she killed his brother, or he didn't like him 371 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: either way enough that it was like that's my family, 372 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: and who then are you? Yeah, it worked out so 373 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: that instead of immediately arresting Alice like Leadrette wanted. Roger 374 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: told him to go kick Rocks. He's like, nobody, I 375 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: don't want to hear from you again. Okay, you and 376 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: your silly hat can go yes right now. Obviously Leadrede 377 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: is like, no, I'll never dropped this case. Our immortal 378 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: souls are in peril, and I demand you hand over 379 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: the witch Alice Kitler in the name of the Pope, 380 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: Daddy John, I mean Pope John the Second. I love 381 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: that Pope, and the Pope loved him back who they 382 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: were just birds of a feather, had a good thing 383 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: going on. So Roger outlaws like okay, okay, sure, saying 384 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: let me do that. Oh whoopsie doodle. Turns out there's 385 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: nothing Roger can do until he held a public prosecution, 386 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: excommunicated all the accused witches, and also let forty days 387 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: go by. Roger was like, I'm reading through everything. Sorry, 388 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: section appendix nine subsection, but inc was probably still wet 389 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: on it because he had written it out. So the 390 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: dreads like okay, fine, and he immediately sent a summons 391 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: for Alice to appear before him for judgment. But Alice 392 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: had already fled from Kilkenny, probably to Dublin, likely to 393 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: Roger Outlaws own house. So on the day that Alice 394 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: was supposed to appear, Rogers sent advocates to kill Kenny 395 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: in her place to speak on her half. Okay, But 396 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: even though she wasn't there, Ladred followed the legal procedure 397 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: to the letter and excommunicated Alice and also charged her son, 398 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: William Outlaw, with herresy as well as harboring and protecting heretics. 399 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: And he announced a date when William would also have 400 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: to appear before him, you know, to be judged and excommunicated. 401 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: But Ldred should maybe have done his homework because the 402 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: centechal a k a. The leading legal official a k a. 403 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: The head bitch in childe was Arnold Lapore, another powerful 404 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: friend of the Kittler. No way her like fourth husband's relative. 405 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah wow, felt if I just marry everyone in town, 406 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: relatives with everyone, everyone will be in my family and 407 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: they cannot speak against me in the court of law. Damn. 408 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: Alice was thinking ahead. She's real canny now. Unlike Roger, 409 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: Arnold did not respond to Ladred was legal runarounds. Instead, 410 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: he just arrested the bishop and imprisoned him until William's 411 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: court data passed. Arnold was like, I tolerate no bitches. 412 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm ambishops. Excuse me, man, the lapours they don't look 413 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: around now. History Ireland explained that this was actually a 414 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: pretty dangerous move for Arnold de Paul because there was 415 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: in eleven thirty nine ecclesiastical law forbidding the laying of 416 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: violent hands on monks or clerics, and only the Pope 417 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: himself could absolve someone of this crime because it was 418 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: so serious. So Ladredd decided to make sure that he 419 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: had every single receipt for this little transgression when the 420 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: Sheriff Stephen Lapore family affairs go. When he arrived with 421 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: his men, ladredde took the warrant and he showed it 422 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: to everyone present, and he said, excuse me, do you 423 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: recognize the seal on the warrant as belonging to Arnold Lapore. 424 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: I just want to get some witnesses here. This is 425 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: Arnold's warrants, right, you see it? You see it? I 426 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: see it, okay, And then he put the warrant in 427 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: his pocket so that he could use it to prove 428 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: Arnold's offense in court. When Sheriff Stephen Lapore suggested that 429 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: he simply pay the medieval equivalent of bail. Ladredde refused 430 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: because you see, that would have been an admission that 431 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: Arnold was entitled to arrest him. It's like when you 432 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: apologize for something, and it's like you're admitting that you 433 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: did wrong. So then once Ladred was in jail, he 434 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: placed his diocese under interdict, and this meant that as 435 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: long as he was imprisoned, no marriages, burials, or baptisms 436 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: could happen under his diocese, like his whole area. It 437 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: was like, I'm freezing funerals. You ain't getting baptized. Tell 438 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: your babies that I'm so sorry, but they're not going 439 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: to heave until I get out of jail. You got 440 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: a problem, I'll tell you who to take it up with. 441 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: And this was a real problem because medieval people had 442 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: a total and absolute belief in hell. So this is 443 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: a really serious thing to have this internet fully afraid 444 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: that like a baby could die on baptized burning hell, 445 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: that they could bury, could be buried without their last 446 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: rites or something like, you know, they're very scared. Yeah. Now, 447 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: Ladred also decided to have the host brought to him 448 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: and in case you're like me and you're not Catholic, 449 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: and you have no idea what this meant. The host 450 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: is unleavened bread that represents the body of Christ. I 451 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: know some churches they take it very literally. Yep, and 452 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: they that's when you take communion, right, when you get 453 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: some in your mouth, in the body of Christ and 454 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: the blood of Christ with the wine and transubstantiation. Is 455 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: that that this bread is quite literally Jesus's body, Yes, 456 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: and this wine is quite literally jesus blood. Um. Now, 457 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: Ladrette had this super bread brought to him, and by 458 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: having it with him in prison, he was literally saying 459 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: that Lapore was in prisoning Jesus. Yeah, which is you know, 460 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: maybe a thing that medieval people didn't like. And Arnold 461 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: Lapore didn't like it either. He said, did you a 462 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: little bit so Arnold? You know, Arnold's not gonna take 463 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: that line down. And he decided instead to send a 464 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: crier around town like, Hey, I've got this really annoying 465 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: bishop and custody. Anyone else got a complaint they'd like 466 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: to make about Richard Ladred, Bishop of Ossory. Come on 467 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: over sign my petition on change dot org. I'm collecting 468 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: complaints about this asshole. I mean, he probably did want 469 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: to have like a pile of evidence against him so 470 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: that he could be like, this guy's you know, you 471 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: need to just kick him out once, out of my place, 472 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: out of my face. And William Outlaw, who was probably 473 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 1: you know, having some personal feelings about how the dread 474 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: was coming after him mom, he went digging and found 475 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 1: an old accusation against Richard Ladred that had already been 476 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: like canceled and quashed out irrelevant now. So William had 477 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: it written out nice and fresh, and then he rubbed 478 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: his shoes on it to make it look aged again. 479 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: I don't think it's funny that he went to all that. 480 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: It was like, I need him to be able to 481 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: read it, but also it has to look old. I 482 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: don't know anyway. So then he brought this old complaints 483 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: to Arnold the Poor and said the bishop should have 484 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: to answer these charges in a secular court. And Ladred 485 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: was like, no, I don't have to do a damn 486 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: thing unless it's in front of the King of England, 487 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: and even then I don't have to answer the charges 488 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 1: of any excommunicated man. So finally Arnold sent his own uncle, 489 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: who was also a bishop to release the dread from prison. 490 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: He'd only been in their seventeen days. It's not like 491 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: he was there for a year, seventeen of the most 492 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: annoying days of Oh I gotta get rid of But 493 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: the dred refused to leave. He said, quote, it will 494 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: not do for a bishop in prisons for his faith 495 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: in Christ to walk out of this prison as if 496 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: he were a thief for murderer, which I just love 497 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: that he's acting like he was imprisoned for his faith 498 00:35:51,719 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: instead of being like a total annoying. Instead, Richard set 499 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: for all his vestments and he walked out of his 500 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: cell in his full bishop regel. He wanted people to 501 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: see they locked up a bishop. Oh yeah, he knew 502 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: the power of theater. Yeah. Now, as soon as he 503 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: was free, Ladrette immediately summoned Alice and William to answer 504 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: for their heresy, but he was tripped up by a 505 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: royal writ arriving, and it demanded that he come to 506 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: Dublin and explain just why you put your diocese on 507 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: an interdite, as well as to answer complaints that Arnold 508 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: Lapoarre had made against him. Now, Ladrette tried to get 509 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: out of it by sending a proctor in his place, 510 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: saying that, well, in order to get to Dublin, I'd 511 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: have to go through Arno Lapore's lands, and I'm afraid 512 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: for my safety. He's been very main to me, but 513 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: his excuse was not accepted. He said, pick up your 514 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: skirts and get over here. His ecclesiastical superior lifted his 515 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: interdite his diocese. He said, we're getting the we're getting 516 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: the babies baptized. Again, enough of the shenanigans, like, calm down, Richard, 517 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: get back to work. But old Richard Loodred was very 518 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: stubborn and he would not let this issue go honestly 519 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: at this point, probably because it was just so personal. Yeah, 520 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: he hated Alison Williams so much. Oh they got me 521 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: locked up. People be laughing at me. He is humiliated 522 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: by them. Oh yeah. His ego was bruise, very bruise, 523 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: and he had a very very large ego, and he 524 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that Alison william regretted crossing him. 525 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: He may have lost the battle, but there would be more, 526 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about all that right after this commercial break. 527 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: We had to come back to the show. You heretics, 528 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: so Richard Ladred decided to just stir up some ships 529 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: that he loves doing that. So as soon as Arnold 530 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: Lapour's court was in session in Kilkenny, Ladrede showed up 531 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: uninvited in his full bishop outfit, carrying the host and 532 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: the inquisitionis decrete hole that he loved so much, and 533 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: he was accompanied by a bunch of monks and like 534 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: his entire cathedral chapter, basically just brought his whole squad 535 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: along and was really feeling himself forced his way into 536 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: Arnold's court. Arnold was not amused. He ordered the bishop's ejection, 537 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: calling him quote an ignorant, low born vagabond from England. 538 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,479 Speaker 1: And he also told the bishop that he should face 539 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: his own criminal trial for all these shenanigans and church overreach, 540 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: which I think was the real issue for Arnold's I 541 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: think less so was he really that worried about Alice 542 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: and more he was like, this isn't to your fucking business, 543 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: So what are you doing here? I gotta county to run. Here, 544 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep the law in order, and you're 545 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 1: coming in here with your insanity and your magic books, 546 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: kicking dirt all over me, and your English and your English, 547 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: and your English get out of my Then Ldred held 548 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: up the host saying, whoa, whoa, whoa. That Christ should 549 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: be said to stand the bar, a thing unheard of 550 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: since he stood tchial before conscious pilots the drama. I 551 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: love him holding the loaf of bread in the air 552 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: and like, how dare you do this to Jesus? Not? 553 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this guy should have just been for 554 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: the stage, you know what I mean? He was playing 555 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: this part to the hill. Oh my god. Then he 556 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,760 Speaker 1: also he pulled out his decreed all and he's like, Arnold, 557 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: I know you can read a little, but I'll read 558 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: this out loud, just so there's no confusion and you 559 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: can't act like you didn't know what I was talking about. 560 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: Later at and Arnold's not like that, like dis battle 561 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: they're doing. This is like a fun I feel like 562 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: everyone there was probably just like look like they're at 563 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 1: a tennis match. You're like, they're there there, there, there's bookies, 564 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: they're taking bed. This is the coolest courtroom ever. I 565 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: got a day's wage on the bishop. All right, that's 566 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: one and a half pennies on the bishop. A day's wage. 567 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: What he a fool? But we'll be rich if we win. 568 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,959 Speaker 1: Shame used to do a happening, I beg of you. 569 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: So Arnold was like, oh, each ship I know how 570 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 1: to read, got really mad and told him, quote, take 571 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: your decrets church and preach your sermons there are wow, 572 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: before trying to have him forcibly removed. But Ladred was 573 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: carrying the host, so any assault on him was also 574 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: an assault on the body of Christ. So eventually ladredde 575 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: left on his own after ordering one more time that 576 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: Arnold Lapore arrest Alice Kitler and William Outlaw this this relic, 577 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: this this bread of invulnerability, like you can't touch me 578 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: as long as I'm holding this piece of bread. I 579 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,240 Speaker 1: know it is outrageous. I mean all respect to anyone's 580 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: religious beliefs, there's nothing wrong with that. It's just this 581 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: idea that he can just carry it with him wherever 582 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: he goes and that makes him untouchable. I know. But 583 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: I had to wonder because they also mentioned that in 584 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: order to arrest someone, you had to actually play like 585 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,720 Speaker 1: the sheriff had to place his hand on the horse's 586 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: bridle or put his staff on them, and that was 587 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: how you arrested. So I'm like, sure, there's a lot 588 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: of symbolism in little in things, and I guess it 589 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: was important for people to take that pretty literally so 590 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: that you could actually have those agreements without having anything 591 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: written down and stuff. But like, come on, it's a 592 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: loaf of like what if he just left it forgot? 593 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: Like he lives the church and I left the host. 594 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: Let's stop by baker like quick, grab a wafer, like 595 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: he could just get any bread and say. But I 596 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: think that's what Arnold, just like the bishop could say anything, 597 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: and this guy's clearly he has a personal vendetta at 598 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 1: that point, Like so even if Alice did kill some folks, 599 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: she should face justice. But come on, man, like any 600 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: bishop could name anyone and I would just have to 601 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: stand aside and without any complaints. That's not cool, like 602 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: some kind of witch hunt, like some kind of well. 603 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: At this point, Alice Kitler sued Ladrette for defamation of 604 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: character and for excommunicating her, even though she hadn't been present, 605 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: and the bishop was summoned to the court in Dublin 606 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 1: once again. But once again, Richard Ladrette said, new, I'm 607 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 1: sending a proctor in my stead. He'll explain my case. 608 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: He wouldn't show up in Dublin until he was sure 609 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: that he had support, and finally he got his wish 610 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: when he received a royal letter summoning him to appear 611 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: at the Parliament in Dublin, which would also be attended 612 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: by a bunch of other bishops. So Ladrette showed up, 613 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: probably again his full bishop cause play, and William and 614 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: Arnold showed up too, dressed in the livery of the 615 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: centis show. So basically they showed up like Allison high 616 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: Tower in her green gown, like I mean business this 617 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: My clothes are a symbol and you bet you best beware. Yeah, 618 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: it is my house. Now they both got a chance 619 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: to argue their case, with Arnold telling the court quote, 620 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: as you well know, heretics have never been found in Ireland, 621 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: which has all we's been called the Island of Saints. 622 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: Now this foreigner comes from England and says we are 623 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: all heretics and excommunicates. Defamation of this country affects every 624 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: one of us, so we must all unite against this man. 625 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: But it was obvious that the case was gonna go 626 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 1: in the Dread's favor. After all, there were a bunch 627 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: of bishops there. In their view insulting and attacking a 628 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: bishop or any member of the clergy could not be 629 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: tolerated and was a direct attack on Church and God himself. 630 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: They're like, well, if they stopped Richard now, then I 631 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: won't be able to do this exact same thing later. 632 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: What if I want to do some overreach as a 633 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: treat So Ladred was informed that he could pursue his 634 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: case against Alice William and all the other accused heretics 635 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: and Kilkenny and basically do whatever he wanted to them. 636 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: According to historic Kilkenny Dock m Alice William many of 637 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: her friends and servants were held in medieval dungeons in 638 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: Kilkenny for the trial, and Ladrede ordered them whipped through 639 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: the streets, after which Alice Kitler would be burned at 640 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: the stake. But Roger Outlaw, the chancellor and relative of 641 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,439 Speaker 1: Alice and Williams, had other plants and in the dead 642 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: of night, Alice's guards were beaten senseless and she was free. 643 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: Other sources, including History Ireland, says that Alice was never imprisoned, 644 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: that she fled for England or Flanders with her maid 645 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: Petronelle's daughter Basilia with her before they ever got a 646 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,359 Speaker 1: chance to jail her, which kind of makes more sense 647 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: to me, because I don't know why Roger Outlaw would 648 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 1: only free Alice and no one else like her sons 649 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: still there, everybody else that you know. I just mean, 650 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: it's that's very true. So maybe you just got out 651 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, the central character, right, the one most likely 652 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: to killed right right, I can see that too, Yeah, 653 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: or the one that would be the biggest symbol for 654 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: the Church's power if he did kill her, because again 655 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: he's he's like, I gotta make sure this doesn't see 656 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: through to the end, or they're going to feel like 657 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,399 Speaker 1: they can do whatever they want to us. Yeah, either way, Yeah, 658 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 1: either way. Dame Alice Kittler left Ireland, never to be 659 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:29,399 Speaker 1: heard from again, flying away on the broom, pointed hat 660 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: cackling into the night. Never touched me, but her less 661 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,479 Speaker 1: wealthy and influential friends and servants still had to face 662 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: Ladredd's justice, including Petronella dem Richard. Ladredde examined all his 663 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,280 Speaker 1: accused and used the inquisition, a law that allowed torture 664 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 1: because secular law did not. Petronella was tortured into confessing 665 00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: that she had witnessed and participated in devilish rituals. She 666 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: gave detailed descriptions of Alice having sex with the demon 667 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: old Bob Artisan, Bob Artisan sounds of the Toyota company, 668 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: Bob Artisans for dealership. Petronella also gave details of all 669 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 1: the potions and everything that they had made together, her 670 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: and the demon. She also said that Alice had put 671 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 1: magical ointment on a beam of wood that enabled both 672 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,800 Speaker 1: women to fly and get this, a pipe with ointment 673 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 1: on it was found by Alice's bedside, providing Ladrede a 674 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: potent piece of evidence against Alice's devilish doings. But in 675 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: a surprise twist that you're probably already thinking, many modern 676 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: scholars believe that this pipe it was not actually a 677 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 1: magical broomstick or a wand, but in fact, this cylindrical 678 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: objects laying on her nights and covered in slippery goo 679 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: was actually a dildo. Yeah, it's own kind of Now. Look, 680 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: maybe Petronella and Alice both had never really had any 681 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: good sex before, so the first time either one of 682 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: them orgasm, they were like, I'm flying hundred feet in 683 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: the air. Or it could just be that Alice actually 684 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: finding pleasure in sex was enough for the bishop to 685 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: prosecute and called demonic right because sex was a duty 686 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: and a chore for women and that they undergo this 687 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 1: just for procreation and no other reason, damn it. So 688 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,959 Speaker 1: it could be that, or maybe it's just another untruthful, 689 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: unreliable confession born of torture. As we all know torture, 690 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: it does not give you reliable confessions. So Petronella might 691 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: have just been saying whatever she thought. Ladredd wanted to 692 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 1: hear obviously to get out of you know, being tortured, okay, seriously. 693 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,839 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, William Outlaw was arrested as well, but his 694 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: powerful friends forced the dread to bring his sentence down 695 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: from flogging and burning to a simple penance. This actually 696 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: wasn't that uncommon at the time because Harrisy was seen 697 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: as a struggle with the devil. It wasn't something irredeemable, 698 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: so if you were accused, that's why it was sort 699 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: of a petty thing. It wasn't meant to be some 700 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: kind of horrible demonship. It was it was something, Oh, 701 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,000 Speaker 1: you you need to come back to the light, so 702 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,800 Speaker 1: they would give you a lot of religious exercises, or 703 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 1: you would have to go to mass a lot or 704 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,359 Speaker 1: something in order to like come on back to come 705 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: on back to Jesus, Billy or whatever read formatnis. It 706 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: does make sense because if they're like, the devil is 707 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: the strongest force of evil in the universe, and it's 708 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: always trying to convince you to do bad things, and 709 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 1: it's very hard to resist him. And then somebody does 710 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: something devilish and they're like, you're the worst? How dare 711 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 1: you like you just said that it's hard to resist 712 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: this guy? So that let we know, this is a 713 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 1: very human struggle with how much we want vengeance and 714 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: people to be punished for their crimes, and how much 715 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,799 Speaker 1: we want them to be rehabilitated and shown compassion and 716 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: mercies so that they can become better. I think we 717 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 1: always have a really hard time walking that line. Do 718 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:40,480 Speaker 1: any line? Honestly, Moderation is not Yeah, So this is 719 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 1: what William got. He was told that he had to 720 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,799 Speaker 1: hear three masses every day for a year, he had 721 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 1: to give food to the poor, and he had to 722 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,320 Speaker 1: pay to have the roof of St. Kennie's Cathedral covered 723 00:50:53,400 --> 00:51:00,400 Speaker 1: in lead? Were they worried about Superman looking at side? 724 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 1: How do they want les? They wanted to let roof. 725 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: That's a very good question. Actually, they were like, in 726 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: case we need a fallout shelter, right, fourte century nuclear 727 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,400 Speaker 1: bombs might be dropping soon. We never know what you 728 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:26,160 Speaker 1: expect from the Normans. But William, all William outlaw, you know, 729 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,919 Speaker 1: he's incorrigible. And it wasn't long before the Dred heard 730 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 1: that William wasn't doing any of that ship. He probably 731 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 1: went to three masses the first day and to the 732 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: second day, and they're like, completely on the Yeah, I 733 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 1: got it, I heard you the first time. Three times 734 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 1: a day. That's a lot. It is a lot. I mean, 735 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: come on, but I mean it was supposed to be 736 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,319 Speaker 1: a punishment, I guess. But man, they really had nothing 737 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: to do back then. Who was holding three masses a day? 738 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,239 Speaker 1: Listen that they did nothing but pray. Let me tell 739 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: you those nuns and monks they wake up to like 740 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: three am just to go very quick before they go 741 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: back to bed. Ah the Lord's work. So anyway, le 742 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: Dred was like, how dare you special the face of 743 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,919 Speaker 1: my authority once again, and he had him imprisoned once more, 744 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,840 Speaker 1: this rascally rabbit. Now that same day that William was 745 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: imprisoned again, Petronella de Meath was flogged publicly six times, 746 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: her crimes and sentence were read out publicly, and she 747 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,600 Speaker 1: was burned at the stake for heresy on November three. Now, 748 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,240 Speaker 1: considering that Alice and her friends were the first people 749 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,319 Speaker 1: condemned of witchcraft in Ireland, it's likely that the way 750 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: the case was carried out and the punishments that are 751 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: meeted out to the accused set the precedent for how 752 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,120 Speaker 1: all other witchy cases were going to be tried. From 753 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,840 Speaker 1: then on. The burning of witches would last in Ireland 754 00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 1: until eighteen. Ladredde Ever explained why Petronella faced such a 755 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,759 Speaker 1: harsh sentence when everyone else accused were given penances or 756 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: maybe just whipped but then released. It seems like probably 757 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: his personal feelings got in the way here and he 758 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: was just willing to do anything to Alice's closest confidante 759 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: in Leo, with being able to actually burn Alice herself. 760 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,400 Speaker 1: Or maybe he thought that this extremely harsh punishment would 761 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: make the other accused heretics realize that he meant business 762 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,840 Speaker 1: and it worked with William at least. William asked the 763 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 1: bishop to come visit him in prison, and then he 764 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: went down on his hands and knees to beg for 765 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 1: mercy in front of a bunch of clergy and other people. 766 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,640 Speaker 1: Ladred probably really enjoyed this uh site because William had 767 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: had him imprisoned and stuff, so he was like, yes, 768 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,200 Speaker 1: keep begging me, so he did release him. Um. He 769 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,600 Speaker 1: also increased Williams penances. He now required him to visit 770 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 1: the Holy Land by the first available boat, and increased 771 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 1: the amount of the cathedral's roof that he had to 772 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,360 Speaker 1: cover in ledge. But in thirty two the roof of 773 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,920 Speaker 1: the cathedral completely caved in under the weight of the ledge. 774 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 1: Was this heavenly irony or was it a magical reminder 775 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,400 Speaker 1: that Alice was still out there consorting with demons and 776 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: ready to kill again. You probably have in the irony. 777 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: It was probably covering your roof in the lead. I 778 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,719 Speaker 1: feel like that's right there. You've asked for it. But 779 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 1: if you listen carefully on a full moon in Kilkenny County, 780 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: you can still hear Alice cackling into the winds looking 781 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,440 Speaker 1: for her next wealthy husband. So if you're a wealthy 782 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: irishman in Kilkenny County, beware be aware of Dame Alice. Kidlerkler, kiddler, 783 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:15,760 Speaker 1: kiddler cool, such a fun story story, sane, which is hers, 784 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,759 Speaker 1: which isn't weirdos which isn't weirdo? This one and the 785 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,400 Speaker 1: dread was such a drama queen. Oh my god, what 786 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,000 Speaker 1: a character. He continued to be in trouble a lot 787 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,240 Speaker 1: of his life too, in and out with the king 788 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: and so on, because he was such a goody two shoes. 789 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 1: Don't just act like this for a little while, but 790 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 1: this is your whole thing, Yes, this is your whole thing. 791 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: And he was just so like, how dare about it? 792 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,239 Speaker 1: Seems like he was just very like just took things 793 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,160 Speaker 1: really personally. He was very defensive and just like, well, 794 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,359 Speaker 1: he's always ready to be offended. He's such a good 795 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: like TV villain because he's one of these characters that 796 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:58,960 Speaker 1: clearly nobody likes. Nobody actually likes him, but he's managed 797 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: to like manipulate him self into such a powerful position 798 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 1: that he's got people backing him up all the time. 799 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: And he has some layers because you know that he's 800 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,200 Speaker 1: pretty sincere. Yeah, I mean he probably was. He definitely 801 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: had personal feelings, but at least in the beginning, he's like, 802 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,200 Speaker 1: oh no, this is like a real problem for the church. 803 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,799 Speaker 1: I've got to like take ki gotta stamp out that 804 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: witchcraft at the source types that you know, type vibes, 805 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,360 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I'm sure to him the whole time 806 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: he was doing the right thing. I hope after he died, 807 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,480 Speaker 1: Jesus grabbed him, took him aside and was like, you 808 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,759 Speaker 1: can't just pick up my bread and walk and wave 809 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 1: it around and tell everybody that can't touch you because 810 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,000 Speaker 1: you're holding on Like I didn't ask for that, dude. 811 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 1: I am not your human shield, your bread shield, bread shields. 812 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: Give me some of that bread. Also, I never took communion. 813 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I have either. I went to Catholic 814 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 1: the thing once where they were doing it. I remember 815 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,520 Speaker 1: being young, and I was like I didn't know if 816 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,960 Speaker 1: I could go or not, or if I was if 817 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,759 Speaker 1: it was weird, or if I did or didn't. So 818 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 1: I think I just kind of slumped down in my seat, 819 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,960 Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I'm supposed to go, but 820 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 1: I was, you know, with a friend's family that went 821 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 1: to church. My parents never took me. Yeah, I don't. 822 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: I think I did this similar where I was like, 823 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,160 Speaker 1: well I'm this, I'm not sure that this is my religions, 824 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,920 Speaker 1: so I'm not sure it would be appropriate for me 825 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 1: to take part, right, So yeah, I think I was 826 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 1: definitely like sitting there, like is it weird if I go? 827 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,160 Speaker 1: Or is it wrong? Or what? You know? If I don't, 828 00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 1: it's it weird if I don't do. I'm like, you know, 829 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,800 Speaker 1: ten eleven years old, do I want to get some 830 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,160 Speaker 1: of that wine? I don't want to get some of 831 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,640 Speaker 1: that I wanted even though it's not good. It's probably 832 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: not good, right, It's got to be the cheapest wine, right, 833 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: I guess probably depends on the church. Maybe it depends 834 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,080 Speaker 1: on the church. There's like really fancy churches with some 835 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 1: persecco rose. Well, this is a great story. Uh yeah, 836 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,000 Speaker 1: I did have its spookiness because these witches murders and 837 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,520 Speaker 1: the torture and burning fun and it must be said, 838 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: I really do think Alice was totally a murderer. I 839 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:20,000 Speaker 1: think she No, I really do think she sad some justice. 840 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,200 Speaker 1: Because that's the other thing that's a little spooky about 841 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,920 Speaker 1: this is the class implications. Because she was wealthy and 842 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 1: she was influential, she had no you know, all the 843 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: right connections. She completely escaped punishment, but her maid, who 844 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 1: likely if she did anything, did it at the behest 845 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:46,960 Speaker 1: of Alice, got incredibly punished, like insanely over the top punished. 846 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: So it's it's a little hard because he knew he 847 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: could do it to her, nobody would care. He's like, well, 848 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,120 Speaker 1: who's going to come for her? No one. I mean 849 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 1: I get the brutal example, I get to set with 850 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,919 Speaker 1: like no consequences basically, whereas Alice some of her family 851 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 1: and friends could come for me. I mean, all this 852 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 1: help Alice Scott over all these years, and she's like 853 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,640 Speaker 1: the local money lender. How many people you think she 854 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,800 Speaker 1: was just like, hey, you say what I need you 855 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: to say, and maybe I'll take a little bit off 856 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 1: of your debt. They're good point, you know, very good point. 857 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,400 Speaker 1: Or I'll give you that loan you've been asking for. Yeah, 858 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,600 Speaker 1: she had a lot of power, yeah, I think so 859 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,920 Speaker 1: the power to kill, and again like just her family 860 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,640 Speaker 1: and stuff. And then also all of the emotion about 861 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,360 Speaker 1: like this is Ireland, what are you doing here? So 862 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 1: out of here, let us do our own thing our way, 863 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,680 Speaker 1: even though that probably wasn't very fair either, because as 864 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,000 Speaker 1: we see, she had all her family and friends just 865 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,880 Speaker 1: like killing all these people and im poverishing these step 866 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,520 Speaker 1: children with no there just like you. Let us use 867 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,600 Speaker 1: our corrupt legal system and don't bring your corrupt bishop 868 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,960 Speaker 1: legal system into it. We don't need to corrupt legal 869 00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,680 Speaker 1: systems going on. At the same time, got enough on 870 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 1: my hands. We don't want to double in our troubles. 871 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to be dublin our troubles. Wow, put 872 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:17,360 Speaker 1: a card in it, uh, with apologies to the good 873 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:24,040 Speaker 1: people of Ireland. It's always on this show. I should 874 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,080 Speaker 1: have thrown that in the beginning that if you were 875 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 1: still here, we're deeply sorry, deeply sorry. Oh bad. Well, 876 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,320 Speaker 1: thank you so much everybody. This was a really fun one. 877 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,960 Speaker 1: I love this story. Such good characters, those are the 878 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,080 Speaker 1: best ones. It's just where these people are just so 879 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,480 Speaker 1: memorable and they stand out so much and horrible. I mean, 880 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm not like excited that any of these people existed, 881 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 1: but but it is a fun story to tell in 882 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,480 Speaker 1: its own dark weak So I hope you enjoyed it 883 01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,440 Speaker 1: as much as we did. Please reach out and let 884 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,960 Speaker 1: us know lots or any suggestions you may have for 885 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,919 Speaker 1: future episodes, just anything you've got on your mind. Hollad 886 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,840 Speaker 1: we read it and enjoy. It's ridic Romance at gmail 887 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,400 Speaker 1: dot com. That's right, Find us on Twitter and Instagram. 888 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm at Oh great, it's Eli. I'm at Dynamite Boom 889 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,600 Speaker 1: and the show is at ridic Romance. And we've got 890 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,400 Speaker 1: one more very exciting RECRYPTU list to bring you on 891 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,400 Speaker 1: Halloween Day, I believe. So we're excited to bring you that, 892 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,360 Speaker 1: and then we'll be back to uh some more typical 893 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,920 Speaker 1: stories of ours there, they're never typical. We'll catch it 894 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:41,000 Speaker 1: the next one. I love you more friends. Time to leave, 895 01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:46,880 Speaker 1: but we rise again. Hallows, we're your friends. You know 896 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 1: that put treads and play for them. I'll show deal 897 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:52,000 Speaker 1: us ro