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Speaker 1: What is going on everybody? John Middle cop with a

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Speaker 1: little Go Low pod Baby talking PG eight Tour talking

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Speaker 1: Sadi Golf talking my Man and Lefty Phil Mickelson. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Timing could not have been any more PERFECTO just released

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Speaker 1: a statement. I just read it. It's long, very long,

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Speaker 1: unlike DJ who released a statement through the PGA Tour,

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Speaker 1: Bryson who released a statement of those little pain Stewart

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Speaker 1: hat emblem which was really stupid. I'll dive into both those. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and some thoughts on this whole sided league and where

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Speaker 1: we're going. Thoughts on Tiger Woods, who obviously just hosted

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Speaker 1: a tournament at Rivieria. Looks Bry looked good, had some

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Speaker 1: positive things to say to Jim Nance and honestly made

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Speaker 1: me think a little differently than uh my my take

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Speaker 1: on him playing has been. And then a couple of things,

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Speaker 1: just watching Victor Hovlin and Collin more Kawa at Golo

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Speaker 1: I gotta get more consistent posting just my thoughts, the golf, tournament, film, Michelson,

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Speaker 1: anything that happens in golf. I'm just gonna start posting

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Speaker 1: that is going to be the goal. And uh, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jason Sobel just covered golf for decades. Joins us the

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Speaker 1: program every single week and we'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the Honda um, Shane Lowry, Brooks, kept Billy Horschell,

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Speaker 1: little lefty, little grinder, um love gambling. I hit a

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. The Honda Little Florida Swing, the Honda

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Speaker 1: and this will lead right into old PHILM Michelson. The

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Speaker 1: purse at the Players this year, for those that don't know,

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Speaker 1: and I think sometimes listen, we all it's human nature

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Speaker 1: Guys like Phil Mickelson helps subsidize a large percentage of

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Speaker 1: Joaquin Neeman just made two million dollars? Hell, I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: When he won the Major in two thousand twenty one

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Speaker 1: but I would drop the hammer because Phil Mickelson tried

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Speaker 1: to screw other people. He tried to ruin the PGA Tour,

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Speaker 1: that past history and say, all right, well, there's a

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Speaker 1: reason why he's played well, and so uh, maybe we

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Speaker 1: back him and maybe we find some good numbers on

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Speaker 1: players who weren't necessarily on the radar screen over the

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Speaker 1: last two months. Kay, let's start with the guy you

430
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Speaker 1: like the most. I don't want to screw up his name,

431
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Speaker 1: so so you hit it and tell me what you

432
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Speaker 1: like them. I've been working so much on this name

433
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: because you can't pick the guy to win, and then

434
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: absolutely butcher the name Christian from South Africa. I think

435
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: I got that that one right. I think that was

436
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: kind of like a snowflake. Every time it comes out

437
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Speaker 1: of your mouth. Each one is just a little bit different.

438
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Speaker 1: But I like this guy because first of all, he's

439
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: very good. Ted the Green good ball striker, but you're

440
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Speaker 1: gonna need the combination of not just good ball striking,

441
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: but hey, you're gonna miss some of these greens too.

442
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to be able to get up and down.

443
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: This is not gonna be a birdie fest. Only four

444
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Speaker 1: times in the last fifteen years have we seen a

445
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Speaker 1: winner who was double digits under par. Happened last year

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Speaker 1: with Matt Jones at twelve, but second place was just

447
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Speaker 1: seven under. So Matt Jones was really the outlier last year.

448
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna be difficult conditions. We're not gonna see a

449
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Speaker 1: whole lot of birdie, So just getting up and down

450
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Speaker 1: from around those greens canna be very important. Biz Adan

451
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Speaker 1: Hoot is very good at it. Of his three wins

452
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Speaker 1: on the DP World Tour used to be the European Tour.

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Speaker 1: Two of them came in very difficult scoring conditions, and

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Speaker 1: so I like the fact that he plays some of

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Speaker 1: his best off when conditions are tougher, when you're not

456
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Speaker 1: making a ton of Birnie, so there should be a

457
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: nice natural fit. I like the number that he came

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Speaker 1: out at this week. I don't love it. I would

459
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Speaker 1: have liked something close to the sixty six to one.

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Speaker 1: It's the fifty to one where he's at in most

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Speaker 1: books right now, but I'll take what I can get. Well,

462
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Speaker 1: before we get into a guy Keith Mitchell, there's one

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Speaker 1: here before, and you've been on the last month. He's

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Speaker 1: been playing good golf when I think tough golf course

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Speaker 1: is scrappy. Guy Brian Brian Harmon went to Georgia, right,

466
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Speaker 1: so he's he's from the South. Uh. You know you

467
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Speaker 1: mentioned him in your article. You gotta like Brian Harmon

468
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Speaker 1: to have, you know, forty one a little high. I

469
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Speaker 1: think you like more seventy to one or something sixty

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Speaker 1: five to one. But given the field, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: like him a lot this week, along with Russell Henley,

472
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Speaker 1: who's surprisingly not in this field. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people getting burned in those one and done pools

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Speaker 1: who have picked Russell Henley before the year started because

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Speaker 1: he's got a great record here. But along with Henley,

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Speaker 1: I look at Harmon is one of the players whose

477
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Speaker 1: results haven't quite lived up to his performance. It's over

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Speaker 1: the past twelve to eighteen months. I think Harmon's actually

479
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Speaker 1: played better than than the actual results have shown, and

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Speaker 1: so I expect some they call it positive regression in

481
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Speaker 1: other sports. I always feel like that's sort of some

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Speaker 1: sort of double negative. But I do understand the feeling

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Speaker 1: behind that, which is, hey, at some point he's going

484
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Speaker 1: to play really well as he's been playing, and he's

485
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Speaker 1: gonna instead of finishing in eleventh place, is going to

486
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Speaker 1: have a first or second or third place out there.

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Speaker 1: So I think something good is lingering right around the

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Speaker 1: corner for Brian Harmon one of my favorite guys to

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Speaker 1: watch from around the greens. He's got great hands, great touch.

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Speaker 1: Some of the other guys if you're looking to sort

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Speaker 1: of whether it's a fantasy lineup and you're looking at

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Speaker 1: stack certain types of players, but Harmon, Shane Lowry, Song

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Speaker 1: j M, Christian Bazaden, who uh those are some of

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Speaker 1: the players, Patrick Reid, uh some of the best players

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Speaker 1: from around the green. So if you're looking at just

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Speaker 1: for guys to say, okay, well, if that's sort of

497
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Speaker 1: the narrative this week, then you're not gonna make a

498
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Speaker 1: lot of birdies and you can't make bogeys when you

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Speaker 1: miss the greens. I want guys that can get it

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Speaker 1: up and down. Those are five guys right off the

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Speaker 1: top of my head. Now, granted there are five of

502
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Speaker 1: the more popular players, five guys with some shorter odds

503
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: this week, but five guys were really good around the greens.

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Speaker 1: I think Patrick Reid is an interesting name because when

505
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Speaker 1: you look at the favorites in this tournament, obviously there's

506
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Speaker 1: not a lot of firepower really besides like Kepka and

507
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Speaker 1: and Sunjay. Even Tommy Fleetwood has not played well. I

508
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Speaker 1: think last I saw Patrick's like sixty one, but he is,

509
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Speaker 1: in fairness, he's been terrible. So I mean, is this

510
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Speaker 1: is there value? There? Is it? Like? Until he shows anything,

511
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: you can't touch him because he's He's a disaster right now,

512
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Speaker 1: you know, John, I I thought so too. Look, he's

513
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Speaker 1: not playing his best golf, but he missed the cut

514
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Speaker 1: in his last start before that. There are a bunch

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Speaker 1: of like kind of middle like a forty something of

516
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Speaker 1: fifty something. He was fifteen I think of the Century

517
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Speaker 1: Tournament of Champions to start the year. I mean, it

518
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: hasn't been great. He's not knocking on the door for

519
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Speaker 1: a victory, but look, it's certainly changed the price tag

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Speaker 1: on him. Do you want Tommy Fleetwood, who has never

521
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Speaker 1: won on the PGA Tour and told state side at

522
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Speaker 1: fourteen to one, or do you want Patrick Read it

523
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Speaker 1: more than four times the odds at sixty two one,

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Speaker 1: a guy who's a proven winner on the p g

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Speaker 1: A Tour. Look, I don't think that Patrick Read's gonna wait.

526
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Speaker 1: I he is not my favorite player on the board,

527
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Speaker 1: But you give me that big a number on a

528
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Speaker 1: guy who's won the Masters before, was one a bunch

529
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Speaker 1: of other big time events. Yeah, I'll take a little

530
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Speaker 1: piece of that. I think it's a really good number

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Speaker 1: for Read. The books are essentially begging you to play him.

532
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Speaker 1: This week. You you wrote that you like Billy Horshell

533
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Speaker 1: the top five, and really, I think Billy's played really

534
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: well over the last like twelve fifteen months, and obviously

535
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Speaker 1: he played really well last year on this kind of swing. Uh,

536
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Speaker 1: He's just a guy that I mean, is a crazy

537
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Speaker 1: you know, obviously the top five odds, but what about

538
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Speaker 1: him to win this tournament? Do you think would you

539
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Speaker 1: be shocked to see him in the mix come the weekend? No,

540
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Speaker 1: I think he'll be in the mix. I like more

541
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Speaker 1: for a top five than outright this week. Uh, you know,

542
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: just give me a little leeway there at the top

543
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: of the board. But uh, it's exactly what I was

544
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Speaker 1: talking about at the beginning here, John, where the guys

545
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Speaker 1: going from the West coast to the East coast. Billy

546
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Speaker 1: Horshel has played pretty well on the West Coast, which

547
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: is not his preferred place to go play. The fact

548
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Speaker 1: that he's not coming off three or four misscuts in

549
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: a row, he's not coming off some poor performances and

550
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Speaker 1: then goes over. Okay, well, now we can bank on

551
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Speaker 1: him back in Florida. He's actually finished I believe, sixth

552
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Speaker 1: and eleven in his last two starts, and now he

553
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: goes back to a place where he knows really well.

554
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: He's got only two top ten finishes and nine previous

555
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: starts at the Honda. I would have expected Billy to

556
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: be playing a little better, have a little bit better

557
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: record at PGA National, But I like him a lot

558
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: this week. I think he's playing some good golf. I

559
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: think he's inspired, he's motivated. Billy's a fiery guy. And

560
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: we might get into some of the other players near

561
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: the top of this board, John who might be a

562
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: little motivationally challenged this week. But Billy is a guy

563
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: that always goes out there playing with some fire, playing

564
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: with some great playing with some integrity. So I do

565
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 1: think that it's gonna be a nice week for him.

566
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Speaker 1: I think it really makes sense to play Billy Horshell

567
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Speaker 1: this week. Well, before we hit record, you kind of

568
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: talked me out of Brooks Kepta. Could you give me

569
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: some of your logic on that one. Yeah, that might

570
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Speaker 1: have been the guy I was referring to when I

571
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: said motivationally challenged. Okay, let's break this down a little bit.

572
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: I haven't done the research, but I would say that,

573
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, and this is a little maybe conspiracy theory,

574
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: But whenever Chase Keptka seems to get an exemption into

575
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Speaker 1: a tournament and Brooks is there, I feel like Brooks

576
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: is doing his a little favorite of baby Bro and

577
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: maybe not going out there completely motivated to play his

578
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Speaker 1: best golf, and we all know what Brooks is about.

579
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: Brooks is about showing up to the four majors every

580
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Speaker 1: single year and played his best golf when it means

581
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: the most. Now, last week, you missed the cut, but

582
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: I could have seen in a scenario Brooks kept kind

583
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: of motivated to play. Okay, the top ten players in

584
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: the world are here, That's what the big headline was

585
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: coming in and Brooks was outside the top ten, saying, Hey,

586
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Speaker 1: you don't think I'm a top ten player, let me

587
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: show you what I got this week, zero top ten

588
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: players in the field. I just think brooks Kept is

589
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: gonna show up and go, really, I'm playing against all

590
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: these guys pass I'll see in AUGUSTA. My only pushback

591
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: would be, I look, because someone had mentioned this, the

592
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: players is a twenty million dollar purse and that's not

593
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: very far away, and he does need to dial it

594
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: in a little bit because I would imagine he's gonna

595
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: treat that bad boy like the fifth Major has a

596
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: lot of people do, but him specifically. He is a

597
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: guy that you know notoriously likes his cash and uh so,

598
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't give you more on that. Yeah,

599
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: so uh. And last, but not least, a guy we've

600
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Speaker 1: talked about over the weeks Alex Norn, who he finished

601
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: third year, wasn't three years ago. Uh. He's played good

602
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: golf just this year obviously. That that power fade to

603
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: me is just is beautiful. And when he's putting, he's

604
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: really good. So he's a guy that maybe not to

605
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: win this tournament, but top five, top ten in that

606
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: mix for you, Yeah, I'll sprinkle a little on him

607
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: outright as well. I think Alex Doran has a little

608
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: bit of inequity. It's been a long time uh coming

609
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: for Alex Norn to win on the PGA Tour certainly

610
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me this week. And he tends to play

611
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: his best golf on tough courses very much how I

612
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: described Bazaden Hoot. He's a guy that isn't gonna go

613
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: twenty eight under, isn't gonna go absolutely crazy and shoot

614
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: four rounds of sixty three on a week when everyone's

615
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: going low. But on a week when it's tough conditions,

616
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: when the wind is blowing, when you've really got to

617
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: dial in and plot your way around the golf course.

618
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: I think Alex Norn is a really smart play coming

619
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Speaker 1: off three straight made cuts, including a share of six

620
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: place just two weeks ago at the w M Phoenix Open.

621
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Speaker 1: Before I get you out of here, I'm a big

622
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: NFL draft guy, and a big reason is because I

623
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: love seeing highly touted guys go to the pros and

624
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: then become stars. And I think golf has some parallels

625
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: to that. Obviously over the years with Phil and Tiger

626
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: and then some of the guys that are my age

627
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 1: in their mid to late thirties, Hunter Mahan, you know

628
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: some of those guys, and then obviously Rory a t Speed.

629
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: But these two kids in Colin Morrikawa and Victor Hovelind,

630
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean, there was obviously a lot of hype behind him,

631
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: and you know, Collins accomplished a little bit more. But

632
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: to me, I watched him and go Victors not like

633
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: that far behind him, right, I mean it's you've been

634
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: around this sport for a long time. I mean, is

635
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: it crazy how how good these two guys are. Yeah,

636
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: it's a little bit. First of all, John, I thought

637
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Speaker 1: you're gonna ask me to break down the NFL draft.

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Speaker 1: I thought that's where you're going with this. We'll get

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Speaker 1: into that in a couple of weeks. Thing here, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll do that in a few weeks then, But no,

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. Uh. When I was first

642
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Speaker 1: asked to remember two and a half years ago or

643
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Speaker 1: whatever it was, they turned pro alongside Justin Saw and

644
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Speaker 1: Matthew Wolf and the big question at that point was,

645
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Speaker 1: all right, you get one of them for the next ten, fifteen,

646
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Speaker 1: twenty years, whatever it was, and which one do you pick?

647
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Speaker 1: And at the time I remember saying, I think Victor

648
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Speaker 1: Hovlin's got a little a little more on the gas

649
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Speaker 1: pedal than Colin Morrico or Matthew Wolf. I I just

650
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Speaker 1: thought Victor Hovland would be the player. Of course, Uh,

651
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Speaker 1: a year and a half later, that looks foolish when

652
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: Colin morcow is a two time major champion already. But

653
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Speaker 1: now Hovelin's in the top five in the world, and look,

654
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Speaker 1: he's really, really, really good. There's still things that Hoveland

655
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Speaker 1: can improve upon, which I let which is what I

656
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Speaker 1: really like about him. You look at some of the

657
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: players in the top ten right now and you say

658
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Speaker 1: they're about as good as they're gonna be. I mean, yeah,

659
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Speaker 1: they can go win more tournaments, but I don't know

660
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Speaker 1: that their games can get measurably better. I look at

661
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Speaker 1: Hovland and I said, well, he can get better with this.

662
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Speaker 1: He can get better certainly around the greens. There are

663
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Speaker 1: things he can do to improve on him his game

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Speaker 1: right now. So being a top five player with a

665
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Speaker 1: little room before he hits that ceiling, I think it's

666
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Speaker 1: a really good sign. As far as Morikawa, I wrote

667
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Speaker 1: about it this past weekend after the Genesis Invitational. But

668
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Speaker 1: for so long we in the golf game, we're asked,

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Speaker 1: you know, who's the most underrated player out there? And

670
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Speaker 1: the smart answer, or maybe the smarty answer was Tiger

671
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Speaker 1: Woods like you, basically the point being, you don't understand.

672
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Speaker 1: You think he's really, really good. You think he's one

673
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Speaker 1: of the greatest ever. You think maybe he's the goat,

674
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Speaker 1: he's better than we actually realize, and so, uh, you

675
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Speaker 1: can make the case for a long time that Tiger

676
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Speaker 1: was underrated. I would make the same case about more

677
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Speaker 1: Kawa right now that he is the number two player

678
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Speaker 1: in the world. But because he doesn't hit three fifty

679
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Speaker 1: off the team, because he doesn't roll in birdie putts

680
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Speaker 1: every single time he's up there, because there's nothing controversial

681
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: about him. There's nothing that makes us uh talk about

682
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: him on social media, doesn't go viral. He's just a nice, mature,

683
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Speaker 1: young kid with a great golf swing. I would make

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Speaker 1: the case that Colin Morikawa is one of, if not

685
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Speaker 1: the most underrated player on the PGA Tour right now,

686
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Speaker 1: just for the sense that I don't think everyone quite

687
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Speaker 1: understands how good he is. I don't think he gets

688
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Speaker 1: credit for everything he's accomplished at the very young age

689
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Speaker 1: of twenty four years old, and he's still just getting better. Yeah,

690
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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't need to be Billy Casper to

691
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Speaker 1: watch him play and go, this guy's got a chance

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Speaker 1: to you know, the nicholas Is, the Tigers, the Trevinos,

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Speaker 1: the Fils like he's I mean, looking where he's already

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Speaker 1: at right now, and how old is years old? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just the skuy is. What what he did last

696
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Speaker 1: week with his wedges on Sunday, We're just as someone

697
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Speaker 1: who struggles with the sandwich in their hand was remarkable

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Speaker 1: to wash it. I will speak of the players Championship.

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Speaker 1: I reserve the right to change this over the next

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Speaker 1: few weeks, but I'm looking very, very heavily at Colin Morricala,

701
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Speaker 1: who's the game's I think pre eminent ball striker right now.

702
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Speaker 1: Put him right there with Justin Thomas at the top

703
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Speaker 1: of that list. I'm looking very heavily at Moricawa for

704
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Speaker 1: the players, and I might not jump off when we

705
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Speaker 1: get to Augusta either. For the masters. He could just

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Speaker 1: start rattling up some tournaments like a like a young

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Speaker 1: guy years ago did early on in his career. Thanks Jason,

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Speaker 1: have a great week, looking forward to uh the Honda

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Speaker 1: and then the Arnold Palmer. Absolutely. Thanks John. Okay, let's

710
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Speaker 1: get a little male act at go Lo Pod. At

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Speaker 1: Golo Pod, I've got a head cold going right now.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you could be a Macron two point Oh.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I didn't get sick for years,

714
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Speaker 1: and now I've been sick twice in a month. Hey, John,

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Speaker 1: question for the pod. I've heard the n O you

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Speaker 1: guys talk about the broadcast. I'm curious if you have

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Speaker 1: any thoughts around how golf can improve the viewer experience. Personally,

718
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Speaker 1: it drives me nuts when I can only watch the

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Speaker 1: future group or a future whole. I don't ever get

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Speaker 1: the sense of what actually is happening at the tournament. Well,

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Speaker 1: I agree with them. Nick Fouldo is god awful. Nick

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Speaker 1: Fouldo as basically your big analysts gots to go. I

723
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Speaker 1: would have said, as Phil, but now film might get banished,

724
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Speaker 1: so who knows. But maybe Ricky I could see Ricky

725
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Speaker 1: doing that. Nick Fouldo, for being one of the greatest

726
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Speaker 1: players of all time, is absolutely terrible on television. I

727
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: mean really really, brad Ad brings nothing to the table,

728
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Speaker 1: says nothing. Greg Norman I remember when Fox hired him

729
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Speaker 1: equally as bad shows you just because you're a good

730
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Speaker 1: player doesn't mean you're good at this. Like talking for

731
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Speaker 1: a living is not easy, and Nick Faldo cannot do it.

732
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Speaker 1: He's awful at it. Norman was worse, but Nick Fouldo

733
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Speaker 1: is really bad. Now here's where I will defend golf.

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Speaker 1: You know, in football or basketball, the action is just

735
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: it's ongoing, right, Everyone is in the same spot, so

736
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Speaker 1: you can just show the video of the football play.

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Speaker 1: That's all that's going on in the football game. In golf,

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Speaker 1: you know, Monday or Thursday through Sunday, there's dudes on

739
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Speaker 1: different holes, so it's it's impossible to do it perfectly.

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Speaker 1: There is no perfect golf broadcast because you can say, well,

741
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Speaker 1: you focus too much on the leaders on Saturday. What

742
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Speaker 1: about the other guys? You know? I don't know. I

743
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Speaker 1: don't have a I don't have a correct answer, but

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Speaker 1: I think they do a pretty good job. And also

745
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Speaker 1: like listen their ads on my podcast. Guess what I

746
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: like money. Guess what CBS and NBC do. They paid

747
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: a shipload of money for the rights to the PGA Tour,

748
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: so the only way to make that money back is

749
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Speaker 1: they gotta play advertisement like or they wouldn't have it

750
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Speaker 1: just the cost of doing business. I don't have a

751
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Speaker 1: perfect answer. It doesn't bother me that much. I just

752
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Speaker 1: enjoy watching it. Sometimes the you know, the commercials can

753
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Speaker 1: piss you off, but I would say that Faldough makes

754
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Speaker 1: me Fellado is just really really bad. He's just not

755
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Speaker 1: good as a golf fan. Should we be concerned about

756
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Speaker 1: the Saudi League? Honestly, I don't really care where the

757
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Speaker 1: top guys play as long as we get to watch

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Speaker 1: them compete every weekend. My biggest concern is that the

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Speaker 1: star players will get split between the PGA and STL,

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Speaker 1: leading to a lower quality viewing product. Well, that's ultimately

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Speaker 1: what Phil wanted filling the Sadi's wanted to steal top

762
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Speaker 1: guys and take them away from the PGA Tour and

763
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Speaker 1: ultimately bleed the PGA toward dry. They didn't get it

764
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Speaker 1: done at least right now. You know, money talks, so

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they're totally dead, but yeah, that that

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Speaker 1: made me nervous. For sure. You start losing Bryson. I

767
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: know you know you, rory A Ram, I know all

768
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Speaker 1: these guys are staying. But my point is that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would have It would have crippled the PGA Tour.

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Speaker 1: The PGA Tour is as strong as it starts and

771
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Speaker 1: will never have a bigger star than Tiger, but right

772
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Speaker 1: now it has some star power. Long time listener of

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Speaker 1: Three and Out wanted to see if you had any

774
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Speaker 1: thoughts on Burns and answer long shots to win this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I like Joaki Niemen. I like Joaki Neiman to win.

776
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Speaker 1: You like that? Uh God? I love gambling on golf

777
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: two things, love the NFL in the game of golf.

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Speaker 1: This question is about Kepka. I really like him, but

779
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Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to back him in anything but a major.

780
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Speaker 1: He said that nothing gets him excited except majors in

781
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Speaker 1: professional golf. To me, that's the guy that's always been

782
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: good at everything he puts himself into. The Bryson feud

783
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: was great for him. Extra motivation, even if it's manufactured,

784
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: is something MJ needed it. Tiger probably had it. My

785
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Speaker 1: question is this Brooks love golf enough to continue grinding

786
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: or will it become uninspired and leave the game or

787
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Speaker 1: possibly fall off. That's a good question. I mean when

788
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Speaker 1: I watched Brooks play, like at the TPC Scottsdale, the

789
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Speaker 1: waste management, I thought he was trying pretty hard. He

790
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: just didn't play that well. He was trying to win

791
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Speaker 1: that tournament. And you could argue, well, there's two people there.

792
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Speaker 1: He's a bright light sky. It was easy to get

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Speaker 1: up for it, and that's fair. Uh yeah. I mean

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Speaker 1: if you if you don't love something, it's hard to

795
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Speaker 1: grind at it and stay really good to meet. An

796
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Speaker 1: underrated part about Kepca he actually he doesn't practice. He

797
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: clearly does. He's too good at golf to not grind

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Speaker 1: at it. So I I do think he likes playing golf.

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Speaker 1: You know what, We usually like doing stuff we're good at.

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Speaker 1: You know why, because we get credit for that. We

801
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: get paid for that. There's so much money out there

802
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: on the PGA tour right now, why wouldn't you want

803
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Speaker 1: to keep playing and making money? Brooks Kepca can make

804
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Speaker 1: a load of cash. The tenth that ribb for my

805
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: money is a top three driveable par four in the world.

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Speaker 1: If I ever get out there to attend, I'd be

807
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Speaker 1: a lock to be at the tenth. I agree, that's

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Speaker 1: where I would hang out. I would take my chair,

809
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: I'd sit there and I'd watch guys attempt to play

810
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: that whole. It's not very easy. Go lopot is great,

811
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Speaker 1: even though I don't like golf, but I always listen.

812
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Speaker 1: It might start betting on some of your suggestions. We

813
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: talked about it. Who I'm gonna put money on. I

814
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: think this week is Lowry, Kepta, Harmon, Billy Hoo and

815
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Speaker 1: Alex Norn. I think those are my guys. Lowry, Harmon,

816
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Speaker 1: Billy ho Norn, probably like top five and probably kept

817
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: it would be the one will be the one horse

818
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Speaker 1: that I pick. I couldn't take son j M and

819
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Speaker 1: I'll tend to one. Tommy Fleetwood, I mean, are you

820
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: kidding me? I also Patrick read a one is kind

821
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Speaker 1: of intriguing. I'm not gonna lie. Actually might bet dad too. Okay,

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Speaker 1: have a good weekend. Hell I mean, I'll see you

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Speaker 1: for the three and out on Friday, and um, talk

824
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Speaker 1: to you soon. See up the volume.