1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: He's heard on News Talk eleven and ninety nine point 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: three WBT and Charlotte, North Carolina. Please welcome Brett Winterble 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: filling in for Clay and Buck. 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: And it is great to be here with this incredible audience. 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 2: Smart audience, clever audience, a great audience all the way around. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 3: I'm not sucking up. 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: I'm not trust me, I'm an early adopter in that regard. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: It is great to be with you. We are expecting 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: to be visited by our good friend Scott McEwan. The 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: American Sniper movie is ten years old, and we got 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff we're going to talk about with 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: Scott because he is a guy who pays very close 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 2: attention to the trends and the things that are out 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: there in terms of the dangers, right and the scary 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: stuff that's out there. Plus at the same time, he's 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: also he's got a bunch of novels that he's done, 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: including some great stuff for young people as well. You know, 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: it's difficut called sometimes too to try to find something 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: that's gonna help build character and that sort of stuff. Uh, 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: that's it's always such a big, big deal when you 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: get folks who who enjoy certain things, uh, specifically about 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: the about the military and how the military affects the 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: lives and the freedoms for us. And that's one thing 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to with President Trump coming back into office, 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: because I do believe he has a great deal of 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: respect and love for those men and women who risk 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: everything with with almost noah plom and that is that 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: is something that is such an important point. These are 29 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: not people who necessarily come from means, though some may. 30 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: These are people who have a heart for service in 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: some of the most dangerous places around around the world. 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: And I want to welcome to the program. 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: Let's, uh, let's check in with my good friend Scott McEwan, 34 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: author of so many great books, but most importantly American Sniper. 35 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: Hey, Scott, how are you well. 36 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 4: I'm good, Brett, Thank you, Thanks you for having me on. 37 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pleasure to have you on the program. 38 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 4: Here. 39 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: Look, when when you were writing this, this book, uh, 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: and you were working with Chris Kyle and the movie 41 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: that would that would come Beyond, did you ever expect 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: that this would be as big a story as it 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: has been. 44 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 4: No way you could expect that, especially in the circumstances 45 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 4: that you know that this book was written and how 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: Chris and I started the project. Basically, he and I 47 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 4: were friends and drinking buddies, and you know, I've heard 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: all the stories from him and his seal team buddies 49 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 4: that I would go out with on occasion, and I 50 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 4: thought to myself, this is really this generation's band of brothers. 51 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 4: This is you know, this warfighter generation, you know, digging 52 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 4: back to World War Two and epic scenes like that, 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 4: and I thought, this story has to be told. But 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: none of us had any idea that it was going 55 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 4: to be as big as it was, or that the 56 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 4: you know, the movie and everything afterwards would happen. 57 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: You know, you've you've done a number of of of 58 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: you know. 59 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: Nonfiction books right Eyes on Target, American Commander. You have 60 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: a great feel for these people who then are willing 61 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: to sacrifice literally everything in very dangerous places, and you've 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: written amazing stuff like like like your novels and the 63 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: the stuff for the young kids as well. How does 64 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: that continue to drive you because you know, we went 65 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: through about four dark years here with the president that 66 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: didn't seem to have a rudder for this country. How 67 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: do you kind of shake through that when you've seen greatness, 68 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: do you expect it again? 69 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 4: You know, I think the analogy can be drawn, and 70 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 4: I was just thinking of that before I came in 71 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: the show between American Sniper and say, for example, the 72 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 4: re election of Donald Trump. And the reason I say 73 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 4: that is this, there's a group of people in this 74 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: country that love this country, period, no matter what, and 75 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: they're not going to stand for the country being run down, 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 4: the country being denigrated. All the things that we've seen 77 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 4: over this last four years I think really personally affected people, 78 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: and it certainly affected me. And there's a group of 79 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: people out there that love stories like American Sniper and 80 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 4: Chris's story because at the end of the day, he 81 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 4: was a patriot. He just loved this country and he 82 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 4: wanted to give his life and ultimately did get his 83 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 4: life for this country, as well as many of his 84 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: comrades you know, that were at war with him, not 85 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 4: just the Seals, all the people men and women that 86 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 4: fought for this country, you know, during the Sandbox Wars. 87 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 4: I like to call him, and you know, they're the 88 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 4: same people, and I think it's the same group of 89 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 4: people that love stories like American Sniper and love to 90 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 4: see somebody like Trump, who you know, who may have 91 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 4: his flaws like we all do, sure, but we still 92 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: know that he backs his country before anything else. And 93 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 4: that's the same story as Chris Kyle. 94 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: And and so let me ask you this question, and 95 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: you could take it in any direction you want. 96 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: You know a lot of special operators. 97 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: You've you've spent time at you know, hundreds thousands of 98 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: hours with these folks when you're around them. And the 99 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 2: question that I would ask you is this, are these 100 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: fundamentally special people or are these people that are just 101 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: a regular person doing an incredible thing? How do you 102 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: kind of ascribe that mission to them? 103 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: Scott. 104 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 4: The way I'd like to describe it is all of 105 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 4: us have the ability maybe to do the things that 106 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 4: these these men and women do with a special Operations community, 107 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: it's it's a limited group maybe that can do that physically, 108 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: but mentally. These people have devoted themselves to this country 109 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: and to their cause, and they just tap into that 110 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: thirty percent more in the gas tank that all of 111 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 4: us have. But they know how to tap into that 112 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 4: thirty percent more Because when you think you're done, you're 113 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 4: not done. There's thirty percent more you can call upon 114 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 4: and that's what they do. They push it to the limit. 115 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 4: They trust their comrades, they know what it is to 116 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 4: be a team, and they know what it is to 117 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 4: be from a great organization. And I think that's very 118 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 4: true of most of America, that people really do love 119 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 4: this country, and when we're tected, we can be pushed 120 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: that extra thirty percent. 121 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: So what do you expect looking forward in this next administration. 122 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: I've had conversations with people who say, you know, I 123 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: don't want my kids going in under Joe Biden. You know, 124 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 2: we watched what happened in Afghanistan, et cetera. Do you 125 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: think there will be a revival of patriotism and people 126 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: wanting to get into the ranks or is DEI still 127 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: sort of. 128 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: Kind of a sticking point? Wait? How do you assess 129 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: the future here? Scott? 130 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 4: I think there's been a sea change, And you know, Brett, 131 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 4: I put it from that from my own personal experience, 132 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 4: and you know, I've seen it with both people being 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 4: willing to speak out and and let's just say, question 134 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 4: these attitudes, these DEI beliefs, things of that nature. But 135 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 4: also from a personal level, you know, I'm not liberty 136 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 4: to disclose the studio that is going to do my 137 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 4: Sniper Leafs project. But I've had all four books optioned 138 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: recently by a major studio. Awesome, you know, And and 139 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 4: you know what the change is, I believe, and interest 140 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: also in you know, City of Death and Camp Valor, 141 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: is that people now want to hear good stories. And 142 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 4: I think that the let's just say, the Hollywood people 143 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: or maybe the media people realize that maybe it's time 144 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: to start looking at those people and support what they 145 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 4: believe in as well. And that's really what American Sniper 146 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 4: was because I had so many people tell me, Look, 147 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: I wouldn't go to the movies for ten years before 148 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: American Sniper, and I haven't been since because that's the 149 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: only movie that I really loved because it loved America. 150 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: And that's an interesting concept, is that people feel like 151 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 4: they now have a license and the ability to go 152 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 4: out and say, you know what, it's okay to love 153 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 4: this country. It's okay to teach that to our children. 154 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: It's okay to say we can be the exceptional country 155 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 4: on Earth. 156 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: So when you look at the world today, obviously we're 157 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: no longer in the sort of battles that we were. 158 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: You know, a decade ago and even beyond, the world 159 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: is still an incredibly dangerous place. How do we get 160 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: back on the right foot, and how do we utilize 161 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: power in the appropriate way but never get caught again 162 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: like what happened in Afghanistan at the Abbey Gate. 163 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 4: Yeah. I think what's important is to have leadership, and 164 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 4: I believe that this leadership that we've just elected has 165 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: that belief. Look, if we're going to commit our men 166 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 4: and women to a battle, no matter where it is 167 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: on this planet, and the cause has got to be right, 168 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 4: we have to have the finable goals and we have 169 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 4: to make it in America's interests. I think at times 170 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: we get caught into these things and maybe pushed in 171 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: directions that we shouldn't be pushed. But as long as 172 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 4: we keep those attitudes in minds that we're doing this 173 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 4: for us, We're not going to commit our troops to 174 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 4: situations where we're going to lose men and women for 175 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: the wrong cause. But we're going to defend the interests 176 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 4: of this country. And as simplistic as that sounds, that's 177 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 4: what we got to do. Because there's bad guys all 178 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 4: over the world all the time, and you know, the 179 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 4: United States is the light. We're the light. And where 180 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 4: we're weak, look at what happens in Ukraine, look at 181 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 4: what happens in Syria, and look at what happens in 182 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: you know, in the in the Goal On Heights, and 183 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 4: you know, with the Israeli situation. When we're weak, people 184 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 4: know we're weak, and we're more strong. It takes a 185 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 4: whole different message to the world in my opinion. 186 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: Sitting with Scott mcew and author of American Sniper and 187 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: so many other amazing, amazing books and stories and. 188 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: All of this. 189 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: So let me ask you this. You're you're somebody. Uh, 190 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 2: you're you're an attorney. Uh, you're somebody who's a great writer. 191 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: You look at all of this stuff. There's been a 192 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: very deep erosion in the United States of America over 193 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: the last four years. Weaponization of government, weaponization of justice, 194 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. Can we get it back on track? 195 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: And what does that look like? 196 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: We have to get it back on track. There's no choice. 197 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 4: I mean, it's because the bottom line is, you know, 198 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: I've got kids, other people have kids, whatever else. We've 199 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 4: had a great I personally have had a great life. 200 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 4: You know, whatever else, but we got to leave it. 201 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 4: We got to leave something for the next generation. And 202 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 4: the only way we can do that is to bring 203 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 4: it back and to get it back on track. And 204 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: it's going to be difficult, and we're going to have 205 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 4: to tighten our belts. We've got to deal with some 206 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 4: financial issues and some other issues around the world. But 207 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 4: this is America. You know, we're here for a reason 208 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 4: and we can do whatever we want as long as 209 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 4: we collectively put our mind to it. There's nothing on 210 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 4: earth that can withstand it. 211 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: Scott mcew and I always get smarter when I talk 212 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: to you, man, and it's always a pleasure to spend 213 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: time with you. 214 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: Where do people go if they want to reach out 215 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: to you? 216 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 2: Catch up with you and maybe you know, we'll get 217 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: get some thoughts from you. 218 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 4: Gottmatune dot com is my website and that's probably the 219 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 4: best place. I've got messaging systems there, et cetera. And 220 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 4: you know, I just want to say to the people 221 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: before we go, we got twenty twenty five coming up. 222 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 4: Let's let's put our heads down and think the ways 223 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 4: we can make this country better, because we've got the 224 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 4: administration that can do it. Let's support the people that 225 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 4: support this country and support our military always because they're 226 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 4: out there doing jobs for us, and if we stick 227 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 4: to it, we're going. 228 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 3: To be fine, outstanding, great stuff. 229 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 5: Man. 230 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 2: I always appreciate you. I hope you have a very 231 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: happy new Year and I'll look forward to catching up 232 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: again real soon. 233 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 6: Man. 234 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Scott, happy. 235 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: Here, Happy new year. Absolutely, that's Scott McEwen. I'm Brett 236 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: Wooter bull in for Clay and Buck. We'll be back 237 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: right after. 238 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 7: This news and politics, but also a little comic relief. 239 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 7: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the vree 240 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 7: iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts, and. 241 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: I am Brett. 242 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: What we'll in for Clay and Buck. Great to be 243 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: with you on the program today. So the weaponization of 244 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 2: government one of the last things we talked about with 245 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: Scott McEwan. Weaponization of government, all the shenanigans that went 246 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: on over the period of the last four years, trying 247 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: to throw people into prison, trying to throw people into jail, 248 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: trying to seize your your your gas stove. Remember all 249 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: that crazy stuff that was coming down the pipe. 250 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: So look at this for a. 251 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: Moment here and I want you to think, are you 252 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 2: still angry about the weaponization of government? And was Is 253 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: this a unique sort of occasion, Is this what has 254 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: happened is unique or has this happened before? 255 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 5: Well? 256 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: Is a guy named David Rubinstein. 257 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: He's a huge investment guy, does a lot of appearances 258 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 2: on Bloomberg News, etc. And he sort of addressed this 259 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: over the weekend talking to one of the reporters out 260 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 2: there doing an interview with him. And I want to 261 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: fire this up. Go ahead, Mike cut number is it one? 262 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: Five? 263 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 4: What is it? 264 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: Oh? 265 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 8: There's been a couple of times when people really were 266 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 8: afraid that the next person coming in that was the 267 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 8: opposite party would really hurt the country in many ways. Clearly, 268 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 8: my former boss, Jimmy Carter really feared Ronald Reagan. He 269 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 8: thought that Ronald Reagan was going to do undo many 270 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 8: of the things that Carter had done. Obviously, Reagan won 271 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 8: by a landslide. And we've seen other times when this 272 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 8: has happened as well. So for example, when FDR won 273 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 8: the first time, Herbert Hooper could not believe that this man, 274 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 8: Herbert Hooper had been such a distinguished American before he 275 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 8: was president and while he was, and he had problems, 276 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 8: but he was a very distinguished person. He never took 277 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 8: FDR seriously, and FDR didn't really take Hoover that seriously. 278 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 8: He refused to really meet with him essentially, or met 279 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 8: with him briefly, and they just didn't want anything to 280 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 8: do with each other. 281 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 9: You mentioned Grover Cleveland. There's not a chapter in the 282 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 9: book about Grover Cleveland. Is there anything that retroactively fascinates 283 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 9: you about the Cleveland presidency now that Trump has returned 284 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 9: to office, or are you similarly fascinated by the time 285 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 9: in which he was president the Guild to. 286 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 8: Day Grover Cleveland was a Democrat, former governor of New York, 287 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 8: very well respected, but he lost the election in eighteen 288 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 8: eighty eight, and he came back in eighteen ninety two. Now, 289 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 8: one of the things we don't really know is whether 290 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 8: a president, when he has a second term after he's 291 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 8: been out of office, whether he'll be fresher, whether he'll 292 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 8: bringing better people in, whether he'll be more experienced. For example, 293 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 8: Grover Cleveland's second term was reasonably successful, and maybe Trump's 294 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 8: will be as well. 295 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 9: One of the things the nation struggled with this last 296 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 9: eighteen months or so was the College of Politics and 297 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 9: the law. Do you think there are any lessons to 298 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 9: be learned from this clash and the politics that came 299 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 9: from the clash of trying to indict and try someone 300 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 9: who had been president of the United States and was 301 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 9: aspiring to that office. 302 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 8: Again, I think there is a feeling among many people 303 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 8: that it wasn't a good idea to indict the president 304 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 8: of the United States. I think the trial in New 305 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 8: York where Trump was convicted, I think really helped him 306 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 8: in his election effort. And I think there are many 307 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 8: people who are Trump supporters who believe that the indictments 308 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 8: that came out of the Special Prosecutor Jack Smith were 309 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 8: really political as well. And so I think there's both 310 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 8: sides feel that the other side is really talking past 311 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 8: each other. The people who are in the just Department 312 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 8: now feel that these indictments were fair and correct and 313 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 8: have special prosecutor and so forth. The Trump people believe 314 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 8: they were completely political. 315 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, they have come out and shown themselves. We know 316 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: who these folks are, and those are the people that 317 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: are gonna have to try to change the system. I 318 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: got a lot of doubts about this. I'm worried about this, 319 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: and I'm still angry about all these prosecutions. It doesn't 320 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: seem to make sense, but it has set a very 321 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: very dangerous bar and it's not anything that should have 322 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: ever ever happened. And the reality is there's going to 323 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: be a come up. And so as a result of 324 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: how this all came to pass, how mad are you 325 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: about this? Eight hundred two eight two two eight a 326 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: two eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. 327 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: My name is Brett Winterbole. I'm in for Clay and 328 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: Buck on the Clay and Buck Show. 329 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines of Truth. 330 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: Please welcome back Brett Winterble, filling in for Clay and Buck. 331 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: It's great to be with you. I am Brett Winterbowle. 332 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: Let's jump out on the phones. Let's go talk to 333 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: Jim in San Diego. Jim, welcome to the program. 334 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 5: Yes, Hi, how are you Brett? They want to give 335 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 5: yeah some background on who I am. 336 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: Cottage the listeners with me. 337 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: Jim in San Diego is a legendary caller here at 338 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: WBT in Charlotte. He's a great American patriot who knows 339 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: things and likes to share. 340 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: So what's on your mind today. 341 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 5: Jim, Yeah, I like to evangelize its Originally why I 342 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 5: called into your show at WBT is well actually to 343 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 5: KFMB when you're in KFMB. I was concerned about the 344 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 5: direction things were going. And once Trump won and got 345 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 5: the upper hand, you can see the writing on the wall. 346 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 5: You know, this is a thing that happened to me. 347 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 5: I wanted to talk about when Carter was president. I 348 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 5: was formative. My formative years began as a young adult 349 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 5: when he became president, and I had to go out 350 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 5: and navigate the world as a teenager and make the 351 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 5: transition to the real world. And it was a real 352 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 5: culture shop. You know, it was a real dichotomy at 353 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 5: the time, because first you're being told constantly the bombardment, 354 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 5: is being told that the vice president and the president 355 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 5: are a crook. And then on the other hand, they're 356 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 5: telling you that if you keep good grades, you keep 357 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 5: getting good grades in school, you'll be able to become 358 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 5: president someday. So we had this schism that we had 359 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 5: to have in our mind. And once we Macarter became president, 360 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 5: the manifestations of the things that the economy, the things 361 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 5: that were brewing the chickens that were coming home to 362 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 5: roost started happening. I started pursuing my trade at the 363 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 5: same time when interest rates started going up, and my 364 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: trade just happens to do with have a lot to 365 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 5: do with the housing industry. So it made a big 366 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 5: difference as to the availability of opportunities that are out 367 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 5: there because of the spike in interest rates when he 368 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 5: became president, and then that led to fourteen percent unemployment, right, 369 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 5: And I can remember, yeah, going myself to the unemployment line, 370 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 5: standing in the unemployment line, filling out the papers and 371 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 5: everything because I'm told I'm being told by people, this 372 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 5: is your money. You paid into this, They owe you 373 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 5: this money, right, and not really thinking beyond that, but 374 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 5: knowing that I'm not being employed with any kind of 375 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 5: continuity and what is going on. So it was a 376 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 5: it was a rough time to jump off the vote 377 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 5: you semistically, so when. 378 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: You go, when you go from that point in time 379 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: and then Reagan is elected, are are you instantly happy 380 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 2: with the results of the Reagan economy? 381 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 10: Now? 382 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 5: Actually, me personally, I was still a little bit confused 383 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 5: about my political outlook. I did not have it written 384 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 5: in stone yet. But I can tell you my brother 385 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 5: became a businessman. He started an insulation company, and I 386 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 5: would visit him during holidays and what have you, and 387 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 5: he started telling me, He started allocuting me on why 388 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 5: the Republican ideologue works, why the Democrat diologue is bankrupt. 389 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 5: And also too, I had to you were curious about 390 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 5: how did the Republicans then get involved in this situation 391 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 5: where their president was being had to resign with under 392 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 5: the force of impeachment. And once you look back and 393 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 5: see that basically you had people that were acting basically 394 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 5: the American secret police. Yeah, that you understood that were 395 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 5: lifelong friends him and Jerry Edgar Hoover. 396 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 3: Sure, but I appreciate the call. 397 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 2: Jim, thank you very much for breaking that down, especially 398 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: the fourteen percent unemployment. That was a terrible stain on 399 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: American history. That you should see it go that high. 400 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: It's crazy. The American economy is ordered in a way 401 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: where anybody can succeed, but not everybody is going to 402 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: get the same chance. And what happens with these progressives 403 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: is they are demanding everybody get the exact same chance. Well, okay, 404 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: all you have to do is look at the NFL. 405 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: There are certain quarterbacks that are you know superstars, right 406 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. And then there are quarterbacks who are on 407 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: the decline, and you can name a number of those. 408 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 2: And then there are some who play a couple of games, 409 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 2: they get hurt, they get cut, it just doesn't. 410 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: Work for them. But that's an economy, right. 411 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: You have an economy in the NFL, you have an 412 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: economy in the world of business, economy in the universities. 413 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 2: You have an economy in a variety of different places. 414 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: But what we as Americans need more than anything is 415 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,239 Speaker 2: for government to get out of the way. Because the 416 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: more paperwork you have to file, the less clients you 417 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 2: get to see. And that's the great frustration. And then 418 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: you have somebody like Donald Trump become the President of 419 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: the United States. He runs for the job, he runs 420 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: for the office, and he is successful at getting elected. 421 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: You have COVID happen. The economy gets hammered. 422 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: People decide they're going to go out in the streets 423 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: and riot because they don't like Donald Trump. They don't 424 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: like the circumstances that are happening in the country. They 425 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: don't like the things that are going on. And you 426 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: get a guy like Joe Biden who tells everybody. He's 427 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: a moderate, and he's the furthest thing from that. You 428 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: think about all of this stuff that we have lived 429 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: through just since twenty sixteen, just since twenty sixteen, eight years, 430 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: and we have seen the highest of the highs and 431 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: the lowest of the lows. And the press, the press 432 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: told you there were no lows. 433 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: There were no lows. Everything was great. 434 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 2: And think about the lies that they have told you 435 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: in the intervening time when Donald Trump was running again 436 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: for the presidency. 437 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 3: Bloodbath. Anybody remember bloodbath? 438 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: Trump's remarks being taken out of a context, one of 439 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: the legacy media's favorite pastimes. By the way, this is 440 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: all stuff that was posted up by Sean Fleetwood over 441 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: at the Federalist Blood Bloodbath. Bloodpath wasn't about violence. Bloodbath 442 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: was about the business. 443 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: Model that was out there. 444 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 2: It wasn't going to be a bloodbath if Trump didn't 445 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: get elected. It was going to be an economic blood 446 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: bath if Democrats won the House. The war on Scotis, 447 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 2: Remember all the stuff they did with Clarence Thomas and 448 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: Samuel Alito, and how hysterical the New York Times got. 449 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: They were panicked hiding Biden's cognitive decline. They worked overtime 450 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 2: on that. How about Project twenty twenty five. Have you 451 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 2: guys been connected with the Project twenty twenty five. That's 452 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: a dangerous thing out there. Nobody's talking about this anymore. 453 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: Borders are what borders are. We don't need a borders are. Oh, 454 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris was the borders are until she wasn't. How 455 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: about Donald Trump's Arlington Cemetery visit. Remember that everybody was outraged, 456 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: gold Star families were outraged all but it. 457 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 3: Was all a lie. It was all a lie. 458 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: And so you have been lied to consistently, I mean, 459 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: in the last two weeks of that election, Hitler, Hitler, 460 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 2: the boond, the Hitler rally, all the Hitler rallies. 461 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 3: None of that happened. None of that happened. The media has. 462 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: Consistently lied to you for I mean generations. But it 463 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: just ramped it up even more in this last election, 464 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: and it took them so far off their mission that they. 465 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 3: Didn't know what to do. They have no idea what 466 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: to talk about. 467 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 4: Now. 468 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: They're scared, they're fearful, they're angry, but more than anything else, 469 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 2: for the first time in my entire life, they're demoralized 470 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: that has never manifested, maybe since Reagan in nineteen eighty one. 471 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: But the media is demoralized now and. 472 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: That's because the American people roll their eyes, ignore what 473 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: they're saying, and there's no coming back from this. The 474 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: great institution have been laid low because of the lies 475 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: they sewed. Eight hundred two A two two eight A two. 476 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 2: My name is Brett witterble in for Clay and Buck. 477 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: It's pleasure to be here. 478 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this, saving America one thought 479 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: at a time. 480 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 7: And Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the 481 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 7: free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your. 482 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: Podcasts, and it is the Clay A. 483 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 2: Butts Show. Brett Witterbole sitting in, grateful to be with you. 484 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: Eight hundred and two A two to eight A two. 485 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: Let's go out and talk to some of the great 486 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: people who have been patiently holding on. Let's go to 487 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: Tom in North Carolina. Tom, welcome to the program. 488 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 10: Hey, great great show. Greetings from interstate forty. I'm traveling 489 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 10: eastpac Virginia, but I'm traveling down through North Carolin at moment. 490 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 3: Safe travels. 491 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 10: Thank you very much. I really enjoyed your previous calls, 492 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 10: particularly those who talked about when Carters president. To see, 493 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 10: I was a senior when Reagan was elected, and it 494 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 10: was interesting after the election how many of us in 495 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 10: high school became subtly politically aware. So not much more 496 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 10: to say about the Carter thing, but I just found 497 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 10: their conversation be very, very interesting and very parallel to 498 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 10: my experience at that time. 499 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: That's great. 500 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 10: The one thing I was going to bring up that 501 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,719 Speaker 10: I mentioned to your screener was that what I've been 502 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 10: finding interesting is that it seems like on a daily, 503 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 10: daily occurrence, excuse me, divide, administration seems to be doing 504 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 10: everything they can to undermine I think what will happen 505 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 10: on January twentieth. What I hope is that executive orders 506 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 10: from forty seven will be able to undo some of 507 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 10: those actions. But I'm a little unclear if that can occur, 508 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 10: and perhaps you might. 509 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 4: Be able to help me with that. 510 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, there are a number of things that are 511 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 2: going to happen. In fact, let me use the occasion 512 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 2: of your call with the issue you're talking about. Me 513 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: CUTT number six, Mike, this is Tom Homan, and he's 514 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: talking directly about this go. 515 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 11: We're not waiting. I've already been to the border several times. 516 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 11: I've already met with Governor Abot what we can do 517 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 11: for Texas. I met with National Sheriff's Associates Association when 518 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 11: they can do it for use. I've talked to a 519 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 11: foreign Minister of Canada, and I've been out to Arizona 520 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 11: talking to the sheriffs out there. So we're not waiting 521 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 11: for January twentieth. We're going to try to secure the 522 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 11: board as quick as you can. We already started work 523 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 11: on those plans. 524 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: And my sense there, Tom, is that that's happening across 525 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: the administration. They're pre writing all of these executive orders 526 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: to undo the stuff that that Biden did, because you 527 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: only get that first opportunity to show that you've been 528 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: able to get this thing done, and I think that's 529 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: ultimately what's going to happen. 530 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 4: Tom. 531 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: I appreciate the call, and safe travels on your way 532 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: to Virginia. Let's go to Pete in Connecticut. Pete, welcome 533 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: to the program. 534 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you very much. Great show. By the way, 535 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 6: I just wanted to make a distinction between legal and 536 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 6: illegal immigration with my brothers and I escape communists Albania 537 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 6: thirty six years ago, it was illegal to leave the 538 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 6: country and we winded up in what used to Yugoslavia 539 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 6: at that time in a refugee camp. We were processed 540 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 6: there for nine months. Background investigation was conducted, medical examination, 541 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 6: and we had to find a sponsor to come to 542 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 6: the United States. And we did it legally, We did 543 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 6: it properly, and we were proud to do it. The 544 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 6: proudest day of my life was the day when I 545 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 6: became an American citizen. And now what we see nowadays 546 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 6: is that we are enticing people to come to United 547 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 6: States illegally for the benefits that we offered to them, 548 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 6: instead of Americanism, pursuing the American dream and searching for 549 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 6: freedom and opportunity. And I find that to be insulted 550 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 6: into even us who were not born here, who chose 551 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 6: to come here illegally. 552 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: Would you go so far as to say, maybe you 553 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: don't get any benefits when you come in and we 554 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: do it like it was in the twenties and the thirties, 555 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: and people had to I have a personal sponsor who 556 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: was fiduciarily responsible. 557 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely. When I went to college here in New York, 558 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 6: I paid for my own tuition, but we do nowadays 559 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 6: we're penalizing American citizens and rewarding illegals. I live in 560 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 6: the state of Connecticut, and if you're illegal, you get 561 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 6: in state question. But if my nieces and nephews who 562 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 6: live in New York decided to move up and go 563 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 6: to Yukon, they will pay out of state question. And 564 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 6: they are American born citizens. We are penalizing American born 565 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 6: citizens and rewarding people for coming year illegual they get 566 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 6: greater benefits than we do. And by having a sponsor, 567 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 6: we had to do that. Unless we had a sponsor 568 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 6: to who was willing to take us in and support 569 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 6: us until we were able to support ourselves, we were 570 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 6: not able to come to the United States, and they 571 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 6: should be that way. 572 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question on the way out 573 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: the door. 574 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: Here great great, great stuff that you're telling us, how 575 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 2: long did it take you to really get up on 576 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: your feed after you emigrated into the United States? Like, 577 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: how long of a period of time was that? 578 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 6: It took a few months Because the first job we 579 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 6: landed was in Michigan. When we started flipping burgers, there 580 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 6: was plenty of work to do at that time to say, 581 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 6: an entry level position where we were making minimum wage, 582 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 6: but we were able to feed ourselves and pay the bills. 583 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 6: Eventually I was able to go to college. I went 584 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 6: to law school in Manhattan, pass the boar, became an attorney. 585 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 6: I mean, you can do these things on your own 586 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 6: as long as the government stays out of it. Because 587 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 6: what the government is doing right now, they are trying 588 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 6: to create a permanent underclass in the United States, and 589 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 6: the Democrats are doing that because they need that voting 590 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 6: block that is dependent on the government. The biggest threat 591 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 6: to the Democrats and the liberals all over the world 592 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 6: is when people become independent from the government, because that's 593 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 6: when they become absolute. We don't need the government if 594 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 6: we are able to provide for ourselves the moment the 595 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 6: government provides for us. They had this command and control 596 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 6: over the population. That's what they did in Eastern Europe, 597 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 6: That's what they did in Russia. That's what they did 598 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 6: all over these failed liberal policies and systems that we 599 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 6: have seen over the years, whether they are Russia, Cuba, Albania, whatever, 600 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 6: you go, Pete. 601 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: I am so happy that you're in the United States. 602 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you're an American and that your 603 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: family is here. I really appreciate you giving us that 604 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: that perspective because it's something that is way too overlooked. 605 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: And God bless you and your family, and thank you 606 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: for checking in on the show today, sir, you very much. 607 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: A happy New Year to you. Is well, look that 608 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: that's the whole. That's the whole sauce. That's the secret sauce. 609 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: Right there is the idea of Okay, you don't have 610 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: to give me everything. In fact, we should incentivize people 611 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: to not take stuff out of the box. There are 612 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: tons of jobs that are available out there, and I 613 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: know you know. 614 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 3: Work is not right. 615 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: It's not okay to to work and to do labor 616 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: and to try to climb up the ladder. 617 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 3: But think about it. Think about it. 618 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: The average American kid that wants to go out and 619 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: get a job has to start just like he was flipping. 620 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: Get a little better, become a manager, go to another company, 621 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: work your way up. That's the American dream. It's not easy, 622 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 2: it's hard, but it makes you realize how special a 623 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: place this country is. All Right, coming up, I'm gonna 624 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 2: give you some great sound. And also, don't forget we're 625 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: taking your phone calls. Eight hundred two eight two two 626 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: eight eight two. I am Brett Wooterbow. You're listening to 627 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: the Clay and Buckshell.