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Speaker 1: Hard to believe, but free agency is right around the corner.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Birg Gang. On today's show, Zach Kershman joins me.

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Speaker 1: The number is twenty, as in twenty unrestricted free agents.

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Speaker 1: We've give you the names, breakdown the physician groups that

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Speaker 1: may see the most change. Also some news and headlines

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Speaker 1: that might have gotten lost or overshadowed because of the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight fifty and

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Speaker 1: it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Who to Baker? What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 1: He's it again, So more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craigcriolo.

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Speaker 1: So this is how quickly the NFL calendar flips to

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Speaker 1: the next As in the next event, we are three

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Speaker 1: days removed from Super Bowl fifty nine, only three days

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Speaker 1: yet today marks one month, one month until the free

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Speaker 1: agent signing period begins February twelfth. We're talking here. March

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Speaker 1: twelfth is the next quote unquote ten pole events for

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Speaker 1: the National Football League. What are you talking about. We're

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Speaker 1: two weeks away from the contract for completely, you're going

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Speaker 1: about the combine. Yeah, you're absolutely right. My bad. So

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Speaker 1: two weeks from the combine, two weeks from free agency. Yea.

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Speaker 1: So again, you can't even go a month without something

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Speaker 3: But I think that you don't realize the combine is

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Speaker 3: That's a free agency You have that date circled on

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Speaker 3: it no longer becomes speculation. It becomes tracks and deals

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Speaker 1: You're right, Yeah, it's amazing because you can't go a

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Speaker 1: single month, sometimes not even several weeks without something NFL

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Speaker 1: the twelfth, the two day negotiating period, the quote unquote

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Speaker 1: legal tampering in the NFL doesn't like that, so they

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Speaker 1: call it negotiating period. That's when teams are permitted to

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Speaker 1: I mentioned one month from today as we speak here

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Speaker 1: free agent primers began on Acycardinals dot com, which I

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Speaker 1: believe you have a hand in writing, Zach Ershon.

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Speaker 3: Not just a hand I write it, I put it together.

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Speaker 3: It's it's pretty cool because you're starting to look at

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that it's going to happen in free agency.

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Speaker 1: There are four free agents to be on the edge.

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Speaker 1: That are twenty seven offense, ten defense, and three special teams.

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Speaker 1: It's a good argument, and there's no right or wrong

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Speaker 3: recovery to do. Even after he came back onto the field,

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Speaker 3: he did not log a single full practice on the

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Speaker 3: injury report. Every single practice he had from when he

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Speaker 3: came back in Week thirteen against the Minnesota Vikings, every

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Speaker 3: single practice from that point forward was a limited participation.

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Speaker 3: You want to see you bring Justin Jones in, you

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Speaker 3: bring Balond Nichols in, an you draft Darius Robinson. The

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Speaker 3: defensive line room just based off the previous year looks

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Speaker 3: entirely different with just those three guys there on that

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Speaker 3: starting defensive line. However, when you have all these injuries

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Speaker 3: and none of those guys played together, the three of

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Speaker 3: them because Darius was out, and then Justin Jones and

446
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Speaker 3: Blond Nichols played two games together before Justin Jones went

447
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Speaker 3: out with the injury against the Detroit Lions in Week three,

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Speaker 3: it all starts to change. So while I do expect

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Speaker 3: for there to be additions made to the room, whether

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Speaker 3: it be through the draft or through the through free agency,

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Speaker 3: you do already have a core group of players that

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Speaker 3: you expected something from in twenty twenty four that you

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Speaker 3: now get to see if it equates anything in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five, certainly a room that will be addressed. Another room

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Speaker 1: that will be addressed. And I was saying this a

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Speaker 1: year ago, and it wasn't really addressed outside of the draft,

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Speaker 1: but that is outside linebacker, the edge position. Baron Browning,

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Speaker 1: Victor d McCage, Dennis Gardak, and Julian Oquara are all

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Speaker 1: free agents to be the new name in that outside

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Speaker 1: linebacker's room. From twenty twenty three, Xavier Thomas flashed at times.

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Speaker 1: Baron Browning was a mid season. Addition, so do you

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Speaker 1: bring Browning back? Do you bring anyone else back? Certainly

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Speaker 1: that's another room that if you have health, I EO.

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Speaker 1: Darius Robinson, who might stand up along the edge and

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Speaker 1: be that outside quote unquote pass rusher a little bit

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Speaker 1: more as opposed to having his hand in the dirt,

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Speaker 1: but d line edge certainly. I think not breaking any

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Speaker 1: news here, but that front seven. Again, it's been talked

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Speaker 1: a lot about during the season, It's been talked a

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Speaker 1: lot about in the offseason, and it will continue to

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Speaker 1: be talked about until we actually see it materialize in

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Speaker 1: the regular season.

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Speaker 3: You also have to include Luketa as a restricted free agent,

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Speaker 3: so the Cardinals have the opportunity to bring him back.

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Speaker 3: But the other guys you mentioned are unrestricted free agents.

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Speaker 3: You have a guy like Dennis Gardek, who means a

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Speaker 3: lot to this team, but he's coming off a serious

478
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Speaker 3: knee injury. What does that look like? We similar to

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Speaker 3: the conversation we had about Will Hernandez. Just the severity

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Speaker 3: of these injuries, the outside linebacker room has been discussed

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Speaker 3: a lot. You could also throw a guy like Mac

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Speaker 3: Wilson into that list at ed rusher because of how

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Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals utilize him. However, when you look at

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Speaker 3: the free agency primers that I'm putting together on azcardls

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Speaker 3: dot com, mac Wilson's going to go in the inside

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Speaker 3: linebacker room because that's technically what he's what he's listed at.

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Speaker 3: With that being said, though, yes, you address the edge

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Speaker 3: rusher room a tiny bit by bringing in a guy

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Speaker 3: like Baron Browning kind of in an audition out of

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Speaker 3: the trade deadline, because you know he's gonna be an

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Speaker 3: unrestricted free agent and you want to see what you're

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Speaker 3: able to what you're able to get out of him

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Speaker 3: after the trade deadline. And and because of that, I

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Speaker 3: thought you saw some really solid flashes from Baron Browning

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Speaker 3: coming from the Denver Broncos. In the beginning. It was

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Speaker 3: a little bit slow, but he was able to get

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Speaker 3: a pair of sacks, and you know, I thought did

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Speaker 3: a really solid job at stuff in the run every

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Speaker 3: now and then. It's just it's generating that consistency that

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Speaker 3: you need to compliment guy like Xavin Collins. If you're

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Speaker 3: going to be having those two guys start and keep.

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Speaker 1: In mind that outside linebacker, that edge position within this

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Speaker 1: Nick Rowlis defense, it's not just rushing the quarterback. It's

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Speaker 1: setting the edge, it's helping stop the run, it's dropping

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Speaker 1: into coverage a little bit different than what typically you

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Speaker 1: think of an outside linebacker. So at least what we've

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Speaker 1: seen for two seasons now is they want versatility among

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Speaker 1: their edge players. Yeah, someone who can be on the

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Speaker 1: field for all three downs, not just come in on

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Speaker 1: third down and say go get the opposing quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Something you hear all the time when an opponents talk

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Speaker 3: about Nick Rollis's defense is just the disguises that they're

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Speaker 3: able to bring out there because of the unique formations.

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Speaker 1: That they have.

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Speaker 3: And when I was listening throughout the Super Bowl, it

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Speaker 3: was very similar to what the guys were saying about

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Speaker 3: Steve Spagnola's Chiefs defense. Just disguises the different sort of

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Speaker 3: fronts that you have. You'll have a guy like Charles

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Speaker 3: Amene who is a defensive end and has his hand

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Speaker 3: in the dirt all the time, sometimes has the ability

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Speaker 3: to drop back into coverage. You have that also with

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Speaker 3: a guy like Darius Robinson because when he was in college,

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Speaker 3: he was everything. He had his hand in the dirt,

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Speaker 3: He had no problem being in that nine technique, staying

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Speaker 3: all the way on the outside and being able to

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Speaker 3: rush the quarterback or drop back into coverage. The comparisons

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Speaker 3: are slim because Steve Spagnola is one of the greatest

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Speaker 3: defensive coordinators of all time and Nick Rollis is the

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Speaker 3: youngest defensive coordinator of all time. But it's not to

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Speaker 3: say that their schemes are not at least a little

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Speaker 3: bit similar, because they are.

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Speaker 1: It's funny we talk about these three position rooms offensive line,

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Speaker 1: defensive line, and edge and then you look at many

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Speaker 1: of the mock drafts out there, and what are the

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Speaker 1: positions that are being mocked to the Cardinals with that

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Speaker 1: sixteenth pick. Well, it's offensive line, it's defensive line, and

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Speaker 1: it's edge rusher. Because everyone sees what we see and

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Speaker 1: those are the main needs. And again, can you address

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Speaker 1: them in the draft. Yes, but free agency is what

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Speaker 1: starts the off season, not the draft. But it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: surprise me if you see both free agency and the

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Speaker 1: draft as far as adding to either the O line,

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Speaker 1: D line, or outside linebacker.

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Speaker 3: Or I did see ESPN out a mock draft that

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Speaker 3: we were taking a cornerback a sixteenth overall pick. So

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be the guy to tell him

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Speaker 3: that he's wrong, but but he's wrong. Look, it's a

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Speaker 3: clear need you no matter how good your offensive line is,

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Speaker 3: you're always going to want to have that depth that

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Speaker 3: because of the injuries that happened to the line on

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Speaker 3: both sides, you want to be able to have that

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Speaker 3: depth pieces that are able to just pop in. And

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Speaker 3: you don't sense much of a drop off for the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: It's the same exact thing you hope for that and

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Speaker 3: it's positive when you have guys like Kelvin Beacham that

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Speaker 3: are able to jump in. I give a lot of

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Speaker 3: kudos to a guy like Isaiah Adams for being able

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Speaker 3: to pop in on the right side of the line

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Speaker 3: and take over for Will Hernandez when Will went down

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Speaker 3: with his injury, and towards the second half of the season,

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Speaker 3: you start to see a little bit of a different

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Speaker 3: Isaiah Adams, a little bit more of that Maller, a

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Speaker 3: little bit more of the reason why they drafted him,

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Speaker 3: and not just the guy that was celebrating and running

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Speaker 3: down the field with his guys. He was running down

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Speaker 3: and celebrating with intention and with purpose because he also

567
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Speaker 3: had a hand in some of these scores. But with

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Speaker 3: that being said, Ed Rusher, in my opinion, is going

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Speaker 3: to be the number one need.

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Speaker 1: Some other free agents of notes, Kaisier White, Chris Barnes

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Speaker 1: inside linebacker, wide receiver. You've got Zay Jones at pascal,

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Speaker 1: and then the three specialists Matt praetor Aaron Brewer and

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Speaker 1: Michael Pollardi. Will see certainly if for me, if if

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Speaker 1: Aaron Brewer wants to continue playing and bringing him back

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Speaker 1: until he shows you that he's unable to do it again.

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Speaker 1: He was my box Score player of the year, beyond

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Speaker 1: the box Score Player of the Year, just because again

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Speaker 1: and tell me a bad snap this season you can't.

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Speaker 1: And again, that's something that's a role that no one

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Speaker 1: pays attention to unless there's a problem.

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Speaker 3: Look, you brought in Joe Shimko for training camp. You

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Speaker 3: had a competition and the vet Aaron Brewer one of

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Speaker 3: the few Cardinals to have a Super Bowl ring in

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Speaker 3: his closet and it's him and Shaun Murphy bunting. But

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Speaker 3: you brought a young guy, Joe Shimko out of North

586
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Speaker 3: Carolina State getting ready to compete. Aaron Brewer beat him out.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see again what happens the Cardinals with twenty

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Speaker 1: unrestricted free agents. March twelfth is when the free agents

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Speaker 1: signing period begins, and there's gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 1: news and a lot of people trying to connect dots,

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Speaker 1: which has already happened considering where Jonathan Ginn and Nick

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Speaker 1: Raulis were before they arrived in Arizona and the number

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Speaker 1: of free agents the Eagles have. But that's that's what

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Speaker 1: anyone does. You try to figure out, all right, what's

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Speaker 1: the relationship, where's the history? And it is something that

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Speaker 1: is that relationship doesn't make sense to continue at another stop.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where we're at right now.

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Speaker 3: We're back in speculation season, so all these things are

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Speaker 3: going to be a part of the conversation during the season.

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Speaker 3: The whole There was a bunch of tweets sent out

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Speaker 3: about Hassan Reddick and the Cardinals making a trade to

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Speaker 3: bring back, you know, their former first round pick because

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Speaker 3: of his experience with John at the Gannon. It's not

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Speaker 3: to say that doesn't happen during free agency, because once again,

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Speaker 3: free agency, you never know what is going to end

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Speaker 3: up happening. But it's also to say that while things

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Speaker 3: might seem obvious and one plus one might equal to

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Speaker 3: sometimes one point five plus point five Craig equals to

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Speaker 3: You'll get there somehow, but it doesn't always have to

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Speaker 3: be the simple way out. Is that the math that

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Speaker 3: they taught you at Penn State, that's the math. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're not wrong. I didn't really do well at math.

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Speaker 3: Math's not my math, not my thing. And I was

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Speaker 3: even overthinking one five I'm adding them together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well we'll just stick to writing.

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Speaker 3: I'm proud I didn't pull out my phone until you

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Speaker 3: actually do it on the calculator.

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Speaker 1: Free Agent primer is underway on asycardinals dot com. Come

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Speaker 1: up first as outside linebackers and you'll go position by

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Speaker 1: position correct yep.

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Speaker 3: We'll have tight ends and quarterbacks next on deck and

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Speaker 3: in the hole, and then after that the rest of

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Speaker 3: the schedule is also going to be on any of

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Speaker 3: the primers, and you get the opportunity to go back

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Speaker 3: and look at previous primers because we'll have them win

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Speaker 1: Stock would expect nothing less from Uzek before we head

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Speaker 1: on out of here on this Wednesday, wanted to go

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Speaker 1: over some news that I think kind of got lost

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Speaker 1: and overshadowed because of the Super Bowl. That certainly news

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Speaker 1: that affects the Cardinals, not directly, but indirectly, especially when

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Speaker 1: you look within the NFC West. Is Matthew Stafford, who

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Speaker 1: is signed through twenty twenty six, going to be back

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Speaker 1: with the Los Angeles Rams all of a sudden there

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Speaker 1: is trade speculation? Is he at thirty seven, sixteen years

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Speaker 1: in the league? Will there be a fifth season with

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Speaker 1: the Rams? Again? I mean, find me an alternative based

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Speaker 1: off what he showed you this past season, and I

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Speaker 1: would expect him to be back. But that's something that

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Speaker 1: has been out there in the ether, if you will.

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Speaker 1: As far as Matthew Stafford's future, whether it's in Los

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Speaker 3: I expect him to be back. I think he's the

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Speaker 3: type of guy that he means a lot to that team.

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Speaker 3: And if you're already going to potentially be losing a

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Speaker 3: guy like Cooper Cup, you need some of that veteran

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Speaker 3: presence in your offense. You can't just have a guy

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Speaker 3: like Pookin Nakou in his second year now going into

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Speaker 3: his third be that leader. The offensive line is very

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Speaker 3: different than when it was when you had a guy

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Speaker 3: like Big Andrew Whitworth, out there. So I think you

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Speaker 3: need to have a guy like Matthew Stafford now for

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Speaker 3: the Cardinal's sake. I hope they get they get rid

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Speaker 3: of him, and they bring somebody else in and then

655
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Speaker 3: that quarterback ends up losing. But hey, if only I

656
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Speaker 3: wrote the script for this past season.

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Speaker 1: You are a good writer. You're just not quite that

658
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Speaker 1: good to be right Roger NFL script. You bring up

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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. The Rams, according to Cupp, have told him

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Speaker 1: that they will seek to trade him. Deebo Samuel, according

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Speaker 1: to reports, say the forty nine Ers have granted him

662
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Speaker 1: permission to find a Trey partner, which does make sense.

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Speaker 1: He's in the final year of his three year contract,

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Speaker 1: did not have a great twenty twenty four and then

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Speaker 1: the Niners re signed or extended Brandon Ayuk, Juwan Jennings

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Speaker 1: and then drafted Rocky Piersoll. Seems like a numbers game

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Speaker 1: within the forty nine ers. So again, Matthew Stafford, Cooper Cup,

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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel, players that have haunted the Cardinals over a

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Speaker 1: number of games, Well we see that again in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five, potentially potentially nine.

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Speaker 3: And there's always gonna be discussions about the Seattle Seahawks,

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Speaker 3: and what are they going to do with their quarterback

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Speaker 3: in Gino Smith. So the NFC West, I think all

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Speaker 3: teams saw how competitive it was, how it was truly

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Speaker 3: up for anybody going down to the last three games

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Speaker 3: of the season. I mean, the Cardinals were leading that

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Speaker 3: division for quite a bit of time that I think

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Speaker 3: all these teams have a window open to cracking the

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Speaker 3: playoffs and leading their division and representing the NFC West

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Speaker 3: in the postseason. So I expect to see some urgency

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Speaker 3: all around side of the NFC West. Some opponents this season.

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Speaker 3: The Saints finally filled their head coaching vacancy Kellen Moore,

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Speaker 3: the former Eagles offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals will be in New Orleans in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Cardinals facing three first time head

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Speaker 1: coaches this season, Brian Schottenheimer in Dallas, Liam Cohen in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore in New Orleans. So, by the way,

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Speaker 1: all three of those coaches, as I look, all offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinators in their previous stop. So it seems like offense

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Speaker 1: at least amongst those. There were seven hires in this

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Speaker 1: coaching cycle, but the Cardinals facing three of the seven

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Speaker 1: and all former offensive coordinators.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the wave nowadays. You know offensive guys, and

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Speaker 3: I think when you have a guy like Johnathan Gannon

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Speaker 3: who comes in, it adds a difference in terms of

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Speaker 3: your team's identity. I think when you look at the offenses,

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Speaker 3: you want to see a little bit more flashy in

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Speaker 3: your face. But defense, it's the It's the hard nosed

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Speaker 3: guys that are able to go get it down in

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Speaker 3: the trenches. And I think that's what the diference between

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Speaker 3: the defensive guys and offensive guys. I'm looking at the

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Speaker 3: schedule from this past season, Dan Quinn first year head coach,

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Speaker 3: and then you had Jim Harbaugh, first year head coach.

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Speaker 1: Differences is they've done they had done it before in

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Speaker 1: the past.

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Speaker 3: But ye're right, yeah, so then you have those you

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Speaker 3: have those guys, and then I'm looking here, you have

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Speaker 3: Gerd Mayo, Mike McDonald from the Seahawks, Dave Canalis at

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Speaker 3: the Panthers. So it's less this upcoming year, but the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals definitely have faced a lot of new head coaches

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Speaker 3: in the previous two seasons.

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Speaker 1: Question, when the Cardinals hosts the Tennessee Titans, are they

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Speaker 1: going to be hosting the number one overall pick because

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Speaker 1: according to reports, Tennessee is open to trading that selection.

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Speaker 1: And if you were Tennessee, Will Levis is your quarterback

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Speaker 1: under contract. But do you like a cam Ward or

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Speaker 1: a Shoulde Sanders or a generational talent in Travis Hunter

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Speaker 1: or Abdull Carter. Do you like that wide receiver, slast

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Speaker 1: cornerback or the edge rusher, which we spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time talking about the edge rush position. But I'm

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Speaker 1: curious on what Tennessee decides to do between now and

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Speaker 1: April when they are on the clock.

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Speaker 3: If they are going to be on the clock, that's

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Speaker 3: the important thing. It's going to be that if they're

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Speaker 3: on the clock, I don't expect you know, I look

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Speaker 3: at the Giants and the Raiders as being two teams

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Speaker 3: they both want a quarterback. Well, New York's ahead of them.

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Speaker 3: And you also start to think about the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: Who's to say that if they decide to keep a

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Speaker 3: guy like Miles Garrett and not trade him away, that

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Speaker 3: you don't pair him with Abdul Carter. You have probably

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Speaker 3: one of the best defensive end dougals in the nation

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. So Look, if I'm Tennessee, I'm definitely

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Speaker 3: accepting those phone calls and seeing what's being offered my way.

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Speaker 1: Titans pick one, Brown's two Giants three. You brought up

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. He has privately and publicly asked for a trade.

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Speaker 1: There are questions about Max Crosby and MICHAEH. Parsons. I

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Speaker 1: certainly don't see the Cowboys who the Cardinals will play

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Speaker 1: in Dallas this upcoming season. I do not see the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys getting rid of Michael Parsons. But those are three

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Speaker 1: big defenders certainly along that front seven, that perhaps have

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Speaker 1: new homes in twenty five. Maybe not. And then the

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Speaker 1: big news on Super Bowl Sunday was that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: and the Jets have agreed to go their separate ways,

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Speaker 1: which brings up the topic of Devontae Adams. Does that

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Speaker 1: mean that his time in New York is no more?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of big quote unquote names out

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Speaker 1: there and whether or not they find new teams or not,

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Speaker 1: or this stay with their current team. Again, this is,

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Speaker 1: as you said, it's the speculation season, not only with

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Speaker 1: free agency but the draft as well.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's I'm not questioning what Aaron Glenn's gonna do.

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Speaker 3: He seems to be the type of guy that will

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Speaker 3: let you know what he's gonna end up doing. He

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Speaker 3: was very vocal from the jump about speaking with Aaron

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Speaker 3: Rodgers and coming up with the decision. And only a

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Speaker 3: week later we heard what that decision was, and it's

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Speaker 3: that they're expecting to move on from from their eighteen year.

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Speaker 1: Veteran or however he's been in a long time. He's

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Speaker 1: been in the league for a while, two decades upwards

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Speaker 1: of two decades. Just say that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's insane how long he's been in the league.

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Speaker 3: But there was a drop off for Aaron Rodgers. The

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Speaker 3: Cardinals saw that when they played them in Week ten

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Speaker 3: where they hosted the New York Jets at State Farm

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Speaker 3: Stadium before the bye. It was not the same guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering if it's just time for Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: to quote unquote right off into the sunset. But again,

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Speaker 1: if he wants to play, then, as you hear players

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Speaker 1: talk about, play until they tear that uniform off of you.

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Speaker 1: Because once once you're done, you're done, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: get back. And then do you have an outlet after

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Speaker 1: you're done playing because this is your life and it's

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Speaker 1: three sixty five, twenty four seven, trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: what do I do after playing? You see it?

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Speaker 3: I just listened to Jason Kelcey and Travis Kelsey talking

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Speaker 3: about it and hearing Travis Kelcey talk about how he

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Speaker 3: let the team down and there were reports about there

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Speaker 3: were reports about it potentially being his last game where

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Speaker 3: at least his time to.

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. Who knows how long that's gonna last.

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Speaker 3: And listening to Travis kelce not just the disappointment after

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Speaker 3: losing the Super Bowl, but also just knowing, like he said,

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Speaker 3: I need to take a second to think about it

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Speaker 3: because of how long he's been playing the postseason. Those

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Speaker 3: are three extra games added to the schedule. It means

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Speaker 3: your your offseason is shorter. It takes a toll on

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Speaker 3: the body. And I think for Aaron Rodgers you start

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Speaker 3: to see that as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what happened two years ago today on

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Speaker 1: February twelfth, two thousand and three. I'm sorry, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: not twenty I was a year and a half years

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Speaker 1: old at the.

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Speaker 3: Was it the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty seven? Yes? At State Farm stadium. It was.

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Speaker 3: That was the start of the Chiefs dynasty in the

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes era.

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Speaker 1: It also started the Jonathan ginn And era with the

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Speaker 1: Aarzona car.

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Speaker 3: Well that's going to be tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that game and that was his final

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Speaker 1: quote unquote, was his final day. This was his final

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Speaker 1: day with Philadelphia. He's hed.

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Speaker 3: He decided to stay in Paradise, and and I don't

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Speaker 3: blame him. It's it's pretty nice out here.

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Speaker 1: Yet you're leaving here. We have a long weekend, and

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Speaker 1: where are you headed? I see, no one believes me

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Speaker 1: for this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there is a parade going on in Philadelphia, in

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Speaker 3: my hometown. However, we've had a long weekend booked for

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Speaker 3: a long time. So yes, there will be a parade

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Speaker 3: happening in the same city that I live in. I

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Speaker 3: will not be at this parade per se, but it

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Speaker 3: is all right outside my front door.

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Speaker 1: See, and you will go. Look, I'm very excited for

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Speaker 1: Let me let me just let me just say this.

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Speaker 1: We it's very I did this one with Danny Sirek

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Speaker 1: a lot when she came over from the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Your past history of the Philadelphia Eagles, it's very fun.

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Speaker 1: All and tongue in cheek. Yet everyone is a fan,

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Speaker 1: and there's no problem with being a fan and rooting

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Speaker 1: for your team and then celebrating when your team does well.

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Speaker 1: So I might joke about it, but it is. And again,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're going back to Philadelphia based off

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Speaker 1: a parade being scheduled on Friday as opposed to when

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Speaker 1: they were hoping maybe it was gonna be on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: but whether has delayed it to Friday or the forecast

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Speaker 1: has delayed it until Friday. So hey, if you go, great,

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Speaker 1: enjoy it with your family and friends. If you don't,

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Speaker 1: although say, if you do go to the parade, I

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Speaker 1: would not recommend wearing Cardinals gear.

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Speaker 3: Well that is definitely a given. I don't have a

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Speaker 3: lot of warm Cardinals gear anyway, and it is twenty

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Speaker 3: degrees back at home. Look, I agree, it's definitely nice

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Speaker 3: to be a fan. Still, I'm a fan of the sport,

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Speaker 3: but I'm also I love the city of Philadelphia. It's

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Speaker 3: where I was born and raised, and it's been trying

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Speaker 3: time with the plane crash that happen right outside my

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Speaker 3: house in Philadelphia, only about five minutes away, and to see,

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Speaker 3: you know, the mayor. Even though she can't spell. She

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Speaker 3: talks about you know, one city, one Philadelphia, like one United,

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Speaker 3: and I'm excited to be in the area to hear

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Speaker 3: how the city is coming together. That I care about

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Speaker 3: more than the fact that there's gonna be you know,

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Speaker 3: seventy five dudes on floats that just played in a

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Speaker 3: football game.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me just say this for the record. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: and based off the long weekend and how the schedule works,

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Speaker 1: you and I will be here in one week's time

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Speaker 1: ahead of the scouting combine. And whether or not you

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Speaker 1: would like to give the Bird Gang a full report

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Speaker 1: on the parade and everything that went down in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 1: I'll leave that up to you. We will see if

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Speaker 1: anything noteworthy happens. I don't expect another Jason Kelsey speech

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Speaker 1: to be given on the I'm pretty sure they're still

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Speaker 1: speaking at the our museum. I don't know. I haven't

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Speaker 1: looked at the parade route, so I can't even tell you.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say this, as we always hear from head

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Speaker 1: coach is going into the bye week, don't be the guy,

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Speaker 1: and I am him, but I'm not that guy. We

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Speaker 1: kid because we care. On that note, we will put

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Speaker 1: all in on. This edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented

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Speaker 1: by Hyundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals has always

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mamanro, our associate

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Speaker 1: producer Coddy Fincher. For Zach Kershman, I'm Craig rial Lou.

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