1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Hi guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us, 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. A beautiful brunette, 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: thirty three year old mom seemingly vanishes into thin air. 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: We know that just doesn't happen. Of course, they're the claims. 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Oh she went away with a new and very secret lover. 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: Oh she took time to herself to quote clear her head. 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: B s. This woman, Michelle Parker, had never done any 8 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: such thing in her life. In fact, this woman is 9 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: so together, holding down multiple jobs, even going back to 10 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: school and taking care of her children like wonder woman. 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: This woman is not going to disappear with some unknown 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: unidentified as of yet spotted by anyone lover. She's not 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: shocked up in some motel. She didn't take a quote 14 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: break from her family, her children, delight of her life. 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: What happened to Michelle Parker? I'm Nancy Grace. This is 16 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: Killers amongst Us. Thank you for being with us. Take 17 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at WSH two. I've been 18 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: doing pretty good, you know, but when I saw that, 19 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: it makes me cry. Yvonne Stewart spoke with us at 20 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: her Ravito salon about the two and a half minute 21 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: video Orlando Police just released today of her daughter Michelle 22 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: Parker look down towards a drive through window. Police say 23 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: this is Michelle Parker going through a Kentucky Fried Chicken 24 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: restaurant in fern Park on November seventeenth at twelve to 25 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: twenty two pm. The video is three hours prior to 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: her taking her kids. She's in the vehicle alone, no 27 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: one's in there, so this is even proud of her 28 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: picking up the kids this same evening, her parents reported 29 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: Michelle Parker missing. Parker's mother hopes the video problems more 30 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: leads to her daughter's whereabouts. It may. I mean, you 31 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: never know what tips could come in when people see 32 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: that today. You just always have to have hope that 33 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: somebody knows something. I mean, somebody will remember her and 34 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: call I hope they do. Last seeing driving through a KFC. 35 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: You know what, how many times have cases been cracked 36 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: by drive through windows. I'm just thinking right now of 37 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: the case of Drew Peterson caught at a drive through 38 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: the night his fourth wife Stacy goes missing. It goes 39 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: on and on and on. What significance of what significance 40 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: is this drive through video at a KFC. She's by herself, 41 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: she's in her vehicle, no problems, nothing's wrong. So how 42 00:02:54,680 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: does she suddenly disappear? With me and all Star Hal 43 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute, crime 44 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: scene expert, doctor Jen Mann, therapist, host of The Doctor 45 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: Jen Show on series XM, author of The Relationship Fix. 46 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: John w Deal, personal injury lawyer on the team Michelle 47 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: Parker and highly involved in the case. But first, let's 48 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: go to Bianca Prieto, freelance journalist, former Orlando Sentinel criminal 49 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: justice reporter. Before you comment, I want to nail down 50 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: the timeline. Maybe this is going to help. Take a 51 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: listen to our friend Matt Gutman at ABC. Parker was 52 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: last scene around two pm Thursday, dropping her kids off. 53 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: At about four pm, her brother received a short text 54 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: from her, but she never showed up for her six 55 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: pm bartending shift. Her iPhone last pin at a cell 56 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: phone tower at eight pm, then total silence. At this point, 57 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: her eleven year old calls his grandmother, Yvonne Stewart, to 58 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: ask where's mom and her son? All the said is 59 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: mamat the salon or like no, honey, she wants to 60 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: drop off the babies. She should be home, she should 61 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: be taken an up. Well, i've seen her since since 62 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: I got home from school. The flag was raised by 63 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: the eleven year old boy who called grandma. So Bianca Prieto, 64 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: formerly with Orlando Sentinel, we now know that the timeline 65 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: is not clear because we don't even know that she's 66 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: missing until her eleven year old son calls grandma. What happened? 67 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: He calls his grandma says, hey, have you seen MoMA. 68 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: I haven't heard from her. I don't know where she's at. 69 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: Typically they would talk every day after school, and he 70 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: just hadn't heard from her. Grandma notices that's abnormal, and 71 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: she raises a plaguancas, hey, where is my daughter? We 72 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: haven't seen seen her, we haven't heard from her. What's 73 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: going on? You know what that's called? That is called 74 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: routine evidence. Cheryl McCollum, I don't mean routine evidence in 75 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: the since that it's um sp your routine evidence that 76 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: comes into court. I mean evidence of someone's routine. I 77 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: remember every single day we were latchkey kids. When we 78 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: would get home, I would call my mom at work 79 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: and tell her we were all home, and she would 80 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: tell me what time she was going to get home 81 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: that night for dinner from work. You know, that routine 82 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: lasted through my whole life. My mom would call me, 83 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: even when I was a prosecutor, at six o'clock in 84 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: the morning when she got to work to make sure 85 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: I was up. I was okay, I was on my 86 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: way to work. And when I would be coming home 87 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: from work late at night, I would call my mom 88 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: and dad. That type of routine cannot be discounted. And 89 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: here even the eleven year old little boy, he hasn't 90 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: ever heard of routine evidence, but he knows something's wrong. Nancy. 91 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: These patterns are critical because, as you said, even the 92 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: eleven year old son knows something is not right. Mama 93 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: would be here when I got home from school. So 94 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: these routine evidence, these patterns are extraordinarily important to law enforcement. 95 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: As soon as I see a break in a pattern 96 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: when I'm work in a case, I stay right there 97 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: until I can answer that question straight out to John W. Deal. 98 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: You can find him at Johnwdal dot com, PI lawyer 99 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: on the Parker case, John jump In. As far as patterns, 100 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: this was a family that was always in touch. You know, 101 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: this was in the type of a person to just 102 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: disappear for days at a time or hours at a time. 103 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: They were constantly in contact the extended family, the brother, 104 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: the sister, grandmother, von Stewart. So this was out of 105 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: the ordinary, even just in the way they communicated with 106 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: each other, to have this blank time period which raised 107 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: everybody's suspicions and red flags right away. And doctor gen 108 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: Man joining us a therapist, host of the Doctor Jen series, 109 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: sex sim author of a new book, The Relationship Fixed. 110 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: Doctor gen question, I don't like discounting that feeling that 111 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: witnesses and victims get around the time of a crime. 112 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: When I received a call from my fiance's sister, I 113 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: knew immediately. I just knew that Keith was dead. I 114 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: don't know how I knew, but I knew. This little 115 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: eleven year old boy he knows something's wrong. What is that? 116 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: I mean? Six senses are often discounted in our world 117 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: of black and white and science. But what do you 118 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: make of it? Well, it's a combination of things. And 119 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, Gavin Debecker, who's a security expert, talks a 120 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: lot about the gift of fear and how we kind 121 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: of instinctually taken information on an unconscious level. You walk 122 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: into a room and something is at a place. You 123 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: may not consciously go, oh, the cup was moved, but 124 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: your unconscious sends you a warning signal that says something 125 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: is wrong here. And a lot of the time that's 126 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: how we get our gut instincts. This is a kid 127 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: who knew his mom well, she was raising him. She 128 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: was a very active, involved, hands on mom, super responsible. 129 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: When she doesn't show up, he's going to have that 130 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: instinct something is wrong. Now, there's also what you're talking 131 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: about in the case of your fiance, that sometimes we 132 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: just have this link to someone that is indescribable that 133 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: gives us kind of a sense that it's kind of 134 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: a sixth sense, that it's you can't really explain with science, 135 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: you can't really explain with you know things that we 136 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: know of, but it just exists. And we've all had 137 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: that experience or know someone who has, and it's important 138 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: to oh us to listen to that guy. And you're 139 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: so right. The eleven year old son knows something's wrong 140 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: and calls Grandmam and say, hey, where's Mom. Then we 141 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: find out she doesn't show up for her shift at 142 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: one of her mini jobs. As a bartender at six pm. 143 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: Straight back out to Bianca Prieto, freelance journalist formerly with 144 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: The Orlando Sentinel on the criminal justice bait. Let's nail 145 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: down the timeline as we know it. There's big holes 146 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: in it, but what do we know at this juncture. 147 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: So we know that Michelle was last seen her ound 148 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: noon going through the drive through. She allegedly sends a 149 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: text or a text is sent from her phone to 150 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: her brother, and her son doesn't hear from her after school, 151 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: which is totally unusual. She's supposed to show up at 152 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: a really popular bar where she's a bartender at six o'clock, 153 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: and she doesn't show up. No one's heard from her, 154 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: and so at about eight pm, I guess that's the 155 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: last time her phone was pinging. That means it was on, 156 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: but nobody's heard from her since that text went out 157 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: at four o'clock. So we've got her at twelve to 158 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: twenty two at a KFC drive through. Everything's fine then, 159 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: by let's just say lexustrapolate three to thirty three hours 160 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: later when her eleven year old gets off school. Mommy 161 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: is gone. In the space of three hours, this gorgeous 162 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: young brunette mom seemingly just disappears. What do you make 163 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: of the time, Aline sheer, I'm gonna call him the 164 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: Townhime is so critical because there's a short period of 165 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: time that she would have actually gone missing. So what 166 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: we know is she goes through the drive through at KFC, 167 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: but she doesn't show up for work. So that's a 168 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: short window where something happened on her. Guys, immediately the 169 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: alarm is sounded, take a listen to our friends. At 170 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: Fox thirty five, hundreds of volunteer spent the day on foot, 171 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: handing out flyers, family and clothes. Friends walking for miles, 172 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: checking every corner for Michelle, every dumpster. You're like, oh, Michelle, 173 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: I hope you're not in here. Baby, I hope you're 174 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: not in here. And you get up and you crawl 175 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: on top of stuff and you look and you're like, okay, 176 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: this one's leminadd you're not here. Brother's bread and Dustin 177 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: staying strong for their sister. So I used to every 178 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: day you don't want to wake up and figure it'll 179 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: be your sister. You'll be going to look for it. 180 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: Just hurts using maps and driving these ATVs around. They've 181 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: been turning everything they find over to investigators. We found 182 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: a lot of possible things today and nothing. I mean, 183 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: it's all got to get tested and stuff like that. 184 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: So we can't or we can't say what's what. I'm 185 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: just imagining her brothers, Brett and Dustin, her mother out 186 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: there literally beating the bushes trying to find missing mom. 187 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: Michelle Parker an absolute stunning beauty, then a break in 188 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: the case. Take a listening to Bob Keeling Awesh news too. 189 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: Michelle Parker, the mother of three children, disappeared. This is 190 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: newly released video of her hummer pulling up to a 191 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: red light at Conroy and Vineland Road that very night. 192 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: So this is what we know. You're hearing the latest 193 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: regarding her commer. Remember have you ever seen those cars? 194 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: It looked like that looked like they've been shrink wrapped 195 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: with advertising. Hers was with her business Glow Glow, and 196 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: the video shows her car pulling up to a red 197 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: light and then moving on. Now, they call at nighttime, 198 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: but this is four hours after her text that day 199 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: around two o'clock, so it's about six o'clock. The car 200 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: is in what area, straight out to Bianca Prieto. Where 201 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: was the red light. The red light is over near 202 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: the Mall of Millennium, which is an upscale mall, and 203 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: it's about twenty minutes from where she had dropped off 204 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: her kids. Oh lord, Bianca Prieto, you just put chills 205 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: down my spine. I just finished a new book. It's 206 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: on Amazon, Don't be a victim, And I devote a 207 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: lot of time to safety while shopping and parking garage 208 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: in parking lots and parking decks near malls, dangers of malls. 209 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: You being at the mall with your children at the mall, 210 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, that's near the Mall of the Millennium. That's 211 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: a huge mall that raises all sorts of specters about 212 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: what may have happened to her. You're talking about thousands 213 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: of people that come and go from that area every day. 214 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: So again, if somebody were following her, if somebody had 215 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: been stalking her from her job, if there was some 216 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: type of road rage incidents, You've got a lot of 217 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: people in that area, man, you're not kidding, and not 218 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: just in that area, living there, but in that area 219 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: just to go to the mall, Okay, with nothing better 220 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: to do all day long than mall crawl hanging out 221 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: at the mall. Who saw her? And I want to 222 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: talk about her vehicle. Back to Bianca Prieto, formerly Orlando 223 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: Sentinel criminal justice reporter, tell me about why her hummer 224 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: is so distinctive. So she was driving this big hummer 225 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: and it had details on the back of it that 226 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: advertised her airbrush tanning business she worked in. She had 227 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: many jobs and one of those was to go to 228 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: people's homes and give them airbrush tens. Well, everybody was 229 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: working looking for this big black suv with the details 230 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: on it. You know, Bianca Prieto, You're right, you can't 231 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: miss it. The whole back window of her hummer, it's 232 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: a blackcomer, has a giant advertisement on it glow and 233 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: then a phone number and I think a website. You 234 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: really can't miss it. That's very significant. Let me give 235 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: you an example, Cheryl McCollum, do you recall the recent 236 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: case of Molly Tibbots. The college girl and she goes 237 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: home to her boyfriend's home, he's out of town. She 238 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: decides to go jogging, disappears. This insane search launched for 239 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: Molly Tibbots, and it was only when residential video camp 240 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: security cams, cops are gathered and cops notice a vehicle 241 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: and all they see is the car go back and 242 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: forth a couple of times. They notice a distinctive marking 243 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: on the side of the car, like a big scratch. 244 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: That's what I think it turned out to be. Why 245 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: was the car going back and forth and back and 246 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: forth very slowly where Molly was believed to have been 247 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: running jogging that night. They tracked down that car based 248 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: on the make, the model, the year, what they the color, 249 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: and they find the vehicle with the same scratches down 250 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: the side of the car. I mean in this case, 251 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: this hummer, first of all, a big black commer is 252 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: identifiable enough, but she's got a huge sign on the 253 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: back glow Mobile airbrush tanning and the phone number. You 254 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: can't miss it, Cheryl, that call would be recognizable as 255 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: soon as anybody saw the back of that car. It 256 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: takes up the entire back. Lindow, I want to go 257 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: to John w Deal at Johnwedel dot com, high profile 258 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: personal injury lawyer who is on team Michelle Parker. You 259 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: know this woman did everything she could to push forward. 260 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: She's a single mom. She's got these children, I think 261 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: three children, she's holding down multiple jobs. She started her 262 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: own business of airbrush channing at home. That means and 263 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: you know you've got her phone number right there on 264 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: the back of her hummer. That means she's going into 265 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: homes of people she doesn't know to make a living. 266 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: How do I know she wasn't meeting somebody at them all, 267 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: following them home? How do I know somebody didn't pull 268 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: up beside her at her red light, see that phone 269 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: number and say, wow, she's beautiful and car What can 270 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: you tell me about her personality? How she was trying 271 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: so hard to make it in this world? Right? She was, 272 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: you know, a very outgoing, bubbly personality, you know, the 273 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: type person we admire pulling themselves up from their bootstraps 274 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: and supporting their family. You know, always work and definitely 275 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: was a visible person. She had a job in a 276 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: busy bar. She had this thing where she would meet 277 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: many different people. But when then you look at that, 278 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: is this the type of person who voluntarily just disappears 279 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: or decides, hey, I'm going to take a trip. About 280 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: telling anybody those two things don't add up at all. 281 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't add up. And also to you, Cheryl McCollum. 282 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: It's like an advertisement. Here I am, look at me, 283 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: here's my phone number. Now you'd think it would be 284 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: a great advertisement, but for her it may have signaled 285 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: her kidnap very easily. Again, if you've got a mobile 286 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: tan and somebody calls you up and says, hey, meet 287 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: me at this address, you don't know. Maybe the house 288 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: has just been broken into or abandoned. It could be 289 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: a very very scary situation with me. Cheryl McCollum, director 290 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: of Coldcase Research Institute. You can find her at coldcasecrime 291 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: dot org. Just the other day, John David and I 292 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: were in the car and we came up at a 293 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: red light behind a home pet grooming and between the cat, 294 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: the dog and the two guineas, you know you have 295 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: to cut. You have to trim the guineas to nails, Cheryl. 296 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: A little known fact. Yeah, I have hell and they 297 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: try to get away desperately. The whole time you're doing it, 298 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: they shed like crazy. It's it's just an experience you'd 299 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: never forget. Usually I have to try to hold him 300 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: and feed him a piece of lettuce while Lucy and 301 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: John David try to trim their nails. I'm like, oh 302 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: my stars, I can't do this again. So we pull 303 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: up behind this vehicle that says we come to your home, 304 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: degree and pets. We called and called and called. Guess what, 305 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: They're booked up for the next six months, So we 306 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: had to do it. Long story short, we were just 307 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: sitting in traffic and happen to see this number and 308 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: call them and we're ready to, you know, let the people, 309 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: let the woman enter our home. But that's the same 310 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: scenario as Michelle Parker, who saw that car, who saw 311 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: that number, very very distinctive and it leads to more questions. 312 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: Listen to Lead Detective Mike Mureshi. What we're gonna be 313 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: releasing is red light video of Michelle Parker's hummer on 314 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: the evening that she disappeared, and at eight fifty five 315 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: that night at the intersection of Violent and Conroy, which 316 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: is approximately three quarters of a mile from where the 317 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: hummer was ultimately discovered the next day. In the video, 318 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: you'll see that there is the car is not following anybody, 319 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: No one is following the car, and the globe stickers 320 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: that made it so prominent are no longer on the 321 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: vehicle at that time. At eight fifty five pm, and 322 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: we are we are presuming that it was parked. It 323 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: goes in the direction of Walden Circle where it was 324 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: was found, and we're presuming it was parked therely shortly thereafter. 325 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: So the car is found. Bianca Prieto, formerly with Orlando 326 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: Sentinel Crime and Justice, tell me about where and when 327 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: the car is found. The hummer, the hummer that everybody 328 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: was looking for. It was found the next day and 329 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: the stickers that were very prominent had been removed. It 330 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: was actually located in an apartment complex near the Mall 331 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: at Millennia, which is an upscale mall. When you say 332 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: near the mall at Millennia and you say upscale, I 333 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: also write about that in my book Don't Be a Victim, 334 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: because people get lulled and you know, you're walking by 335 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: Sacks Fifth Avenue and Nordstrom and Chanel and Gucci, all 336 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: these really expensive design or stores and fancy restaurants. You're 337 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: kind of lulled into a false sense of community, a 338 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: false sense of security at these high price malls, luxury malls. 339 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: That is so not true. There is no sense of 340 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: security when people are traveling miles and miles to get 341 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: to the mall people that you don't know. But the 342 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: banner here is the car is found hidden away, tucked 343 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: away amongst all the other cars in an apartment complex 344 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: across from this big mall. And significantly John wdal Pi Lawyer, 345 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: all of the advertisements glow mobile, airbrush, channing in the 346 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: phone number, it's all been removed right, correct, correct, And 347 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: that was another thing. You know, there was some thought of, well, 348 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: was this just somebody carjacker or a rapt Not too often, 349 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: especially with a Hummer, that it's just going to be 350 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: driven a distance and then the car somehow or the 351 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: stickers are removed. That doesn't make a lot of sense 352 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: as far as that, and that also points especially with 353 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: the stickers being taken off, starts to looking a lot 354 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: more like thou play. Oh, definitely and think through it, 355 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. Not random well, because you know, a random 356 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: attack her would just grab her, rob her or rape 357 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: her and shoot her in the parking lot and take off. 358 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: Who's going to take time to think? Wow, they're gonna 359 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: find this carphile he glos decals on the back. Not 360 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: only do they take extra time removing it, but they 361 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: know there's some connection to that they know she didn't 362 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: borrow a car, They know she didn't stop working that 363 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: business a year ago. They know that phone number is 364 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: still significant. You know another thing, Let me go out 365 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: to our therapist, our specialist, doctor jen Mann. It tells 366 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: me something about who took her. It's someone that a 367 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: was not afraid that they were going to be caught 368 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: scraped or spotted on surveillance videos scraping that decal off, 369 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: So it was not scraped off there to get it off, 370 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: they had to scrape it. I'm sure it's a giant, 371 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: giant advertisement on the back of her car. So they're 372 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: here in an apartment complex. Where do you want to 373 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: hide something? Some won't be found in plane view. It's 374 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: like leaving a stolen car at the airport. Who's going 375 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: to be backing it in, you know, Batman style? Who's 376 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: ever gonna find it there? What does that tell you 377 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: about whoever took her? It makes me think that whoever 378 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: did it, either wherever they were in plain sight, they 379 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: belonged there, and that they were someone who people knew, 380 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: so they would say, oh, yeah, of course this person's here, 381 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: he lived in the neighborhood, or someone who's incredibly narcissistic 382 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: and thinks I can get away with anything. Meanwhile, the 383 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: search is ongoing. Take a listen to chopper reporter Dan McCarthy. 384 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: Wish to see on right now you can see the 385 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: Orange County Sheriff's Command center in the parking lot here 386 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: at the community that center just self the curry Ford Road. 387 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: Pretty impressive sight here. A lot of people, a lot 388 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: of activity going on. We can unseeing. About twenty minutes 389 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: ago we actually saw some dogs going through the woods 390 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: with their trainers. I imagine unfortunately their dogs designed to 391 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: sniff out a dead body. They're walking through the woods 392 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: right now. We've also heard they have ATVs in the area. 393 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: They're probably fifty to one hundred people in this here, 394 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: searching the woods, searching the canal, searching the water. We 395 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: have not seen any divers going to the water again. 396 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: Back tou Cheryl McCollum, Director of the Coldcase Research Institute 397 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: at Coldcasecrime dot org. Cheryl McCollum. While this search is 398 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: going on by land by air, tell me about what's 399 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: being done to process the hummer. They're gonna look for 400 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: hair fingerprints that maybe belong to the victims that are 401 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: out of place. Things on the passenger side. They're gonna 402 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: swab that steering wheel for DNA. They're gonna look for 403 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: fingerprints on the window, maybe the review Mira, the outside 404 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: of the door. They're gonna look for blood. Unfortunately, they're 405 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: gonna look for anything that might have been brought into 406 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: that vehicle and left, like a weapon or some type 407 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: of burglary tool. They're gonna look obviously for whatever scrapes 408 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: that off the back. Did he leave anything in that 409 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: car that could tell who he is? Now we know 410 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: the car is being processed as a search goes on 411 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: for missing mom Michelle Parker. But wait a minute. A 412 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: woman like Michelle Parker, who is single mom, taking care 413 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: of her children, juggling two jobs, juggling school as well, 414 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: she's got to have a cell phone. I haven't heard 415 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: a word about that. Where is the cell phone? Here's 416 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: a clue. Take a listen to Lee Detective Mike Mureshi. 417 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: This is an important part of a timeline that we've had. 418 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: We know it at three twenty that day, November seventeenth 419 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: of twenty eleven, that Michelle dropped off the twins on 420 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: Golden Rod Road at almost four thirty, she sent a 421 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: text to her brother Dustin's, indicating that she was at 422 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: Waterford and at that time she utilized a cell tower 423 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: near the summer on at Hoffner. And now we know 424 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: that her hummer was at the intersection of Violent and 425 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: Conroy at nine o'clock and was was parked there fairly 426 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: short shortly thereafter, So at five o'clock her phone is 427 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: still turned on, still powered up, and used at a 428 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: particular cell tower. But where's the phone and more importantly, 429 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: where is Michelle Nancy Grace Killers amongst us signing off 430 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: goodbye friend.