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Speaker 1: What are we even do? What are we even doing?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to what are we even doing? I'm Kyle McLachlin,

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Speaker 1: your host for the Evening. We don't even know it's evening,

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Speaker 1: but I'm your host where we sit down with creatives

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Speaker 1: and we talk about their journey, figure out what makes

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Speaker 1: them tick. We're going to get weird together in a

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Speaker 1: good way. And today, very excited an actor in one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite movies, Shaun Chi Did I pronounce it

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Speaker 1: all right? Yeah? And Legend of the Ten Ten Rings, okay,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Yeah, but also Barbie thank you, yes, indeed, musician, author,

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Speaker 1: former stock image model. We can get into that real deeply, seamoodly.

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Speaker 1: It's so nice to have you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you here much for having me here, Kyle. I

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Speaker 2: prefer the term stock photo legend. That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: I can understand what that would be.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the most probably the best successful stock photo model

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Speaker 2: of all time. I say it, unless I'm mistaken, I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: I would say you are. Can you very few things

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Speaker 1: I can brag? Could you tell me about your name? First?

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Speaker 1: Lou Liu? Yeah, Lou my Chinese.

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Speaker 2: I was born in China, so my name is my

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Speaker 2: name is Liu Smu, and my parents very rightly figured

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Speaker 2: out that no one would would be able to pronounce

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Speaker 2: that here me included. But they also were They also didn't,

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Speaker 2: you know, a lot of immigrant families would give their

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Speaker 2: would give their kids, specifically from from China, would give

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Speaker 2: their kids an English name, and so I could have

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Speaker 2: been like a Simon Liu or a Steve Liu, but

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Speaker 2: they didn't. They held out, and so I was always Simu,

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Speaker 2: and it was it was kind of the bane of

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Speaker 2: my existence for a really long time, because I think

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Speaker 2: when you're young, you just like, at least in the nineties,

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Speaker 2: it was like not cool to be different.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I think that's pretty true when I was

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Speaker 1: going in the sixties. Yeah, not cool. Kyle was challenging.

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Speaker 1: Really oh yeah, oh I would have given anything moved

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Speaker 1: in Kyle.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know now you say and then and then

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Speaker 2: you know, once you join the Screen Actors Guild, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is kind of cool you one and all. It's

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Speaker 2: nice to be yeah. Yeah, when you're on air, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you modify anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've definitely grown to really love my name. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good. It's cool, thank you. Yeah, it's very cool.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I still do have to spell it out every time

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Speaker 2: I'm ordering at Starbucks, though, I'm always like, like I am,

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Speaker 2: or sometimes I don't even say my name, just put

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Speaker 2: do you.

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Speaker 1: Ever put in a fake? I? Sometimes I just say

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Speaker 1: it's Bill. So I start every interview with a question

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Speaker 1: of just about was there a moment for you, kind

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Speaker 1: of a flash of or inspiration where you this is

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Speaker 1: what I either want to do or this is what

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Speaker 1: I should be doing. Yeah, started it, you know, because

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Speaker 1: I know you had a different You've had a different trajectory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, not a not a straight line by

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Speaker 2: any means. Yeah, it was probably like when I first

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Speaker 2: came to Canada, when we first immigrated, and like I

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Speaker 2: half four and a half five, and among amongst other things,

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Speaker 2: you know, watching like Old Spielberg movies and like Star

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Speaker 2: Wars really like formed the basis of my English language, right,

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Speaker 2: So I really kind of was exposed to movies and

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Speaker 2: I think that really caught me and had a profound

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Speaker 2: impact on me. But that being said, I think when

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Speaker 2: when it came time to decide what to.

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Speaker 2: It was like we were a family in you know, Toronto, Canada.

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Speaker 2: We didn't have any connections to the entertainment industry. It

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Speaker 2: was just like so kind of unheard of. I never

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Speaker 2: really gave myself permission to pursue it. So the moment

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Speaker 2: of inspiration that came in my in my actual career

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Speaker 2: was I think answering a Craigslist ad to be an

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Speaker 2: extra on a Geermo del Toro movie that was shooting

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Speaker 2: is kind of like our Wall Street as an accountant

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Speaker 2: at the time, and so I skipped work to do it.

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Speaker 1: I got caught, I got fired, but it was yeah,

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Speaker 1: because no one knows the actual story. They know you

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Speaker 1: were fired, but well it was because you were pursuing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all it's all connect Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Now I was. I was sitting at the you know,

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Speaker 2: It just wasn't wasn't the right situation for me, and

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Speaker 2: I would I would go on Craigslist because I would daydream,

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Speaker 2: whatever higher power of the universe, just like in that moment,

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Speaker 2: they were like looking for Asian extras age twenty to

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Speaker 1: You're like, I was twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is my I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: You name have to be Simu. Yeah, you know, like exactly, exactly, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's my name. It's perfect for me. And I made

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Speaker 1: eleven dollars an hour. You know, you made more than

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Speaker 1: me my first thing. Really, we have a very interesting,

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Speaker 1: strangely similar story really where you said something earlier, you

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Speaker 1: said I didn't give myself permission. Yeah, which was my

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Speaker 1: case as well. It's something I grew up. You know.

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Speaker 1: I did plays in high school and in college and

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Speaker 1: loved it, loved it and felt so comfortable at home.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, but I can't do this, this is

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Speaker 1: not you know, I can't make a living at this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and my parents as well. No connection to the business. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I just you know, it was one of those

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Speaker 1: things where I finally just gave up and said, it's

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Speaker 1: really the only thing I'm good at. I guess it.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny that you the way that you

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Speaker 2: phrase it is that you gave up. It's almost like

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Speaker 2: a surrender to the inevitable right of like always knowing

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Speaker 2: that this this there's this like thing that's building inside you,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, finally just surrender to it.

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Speaker 1: So you had this experience. Yeah, it cost me my job.

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Speaker 1: It cost you your job, Like your parents are like,

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Speaker 1: what the hell? Yeah, I actually didn't tell them for

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Speaker 1: very long. Good for you, that's for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: So I got home that day kind of unemployed, with

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Speaker 2: you know, box of my stuff, and I was like, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: But I had an audition the next day.

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Speaker 2: Weirdly, I had gotten myself into this like student film

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Speaker 2: that part and that student film is out there somewhere,

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Speaker 2: which I deeply regret.

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Speaker 1: But you find that I have a I have a

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Speaker 1: cracked team. Here, get it right now, see if we

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Speaker 1: can do it.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it was like I think it was

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Speaker 2: like racially offensive. We don't have to we don't have

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Speaker 2: to pursue that angle. But I will say, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's there's no regrets. I think you do what you

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Speaker 2: I didn't really have an end goal or a plan.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you did or maybe you didn't, but it was

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Speaker 2: just like, let's just do what. Let's just get the

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Speaker 2: Let's just get on a on a set, and then

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it was as an extra. Sometimes it was unpaid.

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Speaker 1: You did what I think is the most important thing

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Speaker 1: for young actors, which is just work somehow some way,

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Speaker 1: student film friends getting together. I mean, anything you can

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Speaker 1: think that is so incredibly important you were doing intuitively.

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Speaker 1: and I'm wondering did those skills come when when always

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really I think for the for the

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Speaker 2: first few years of my life, like at once I

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Speaker 2: Jacqueline Dobson. Yeah, she she was a big and sink fan.

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Speaker 2: And it's you know, it's like it's it's easy to

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Speaker 2: I was just like, wouldn't it be cool.

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Speaker 1: If I and you tell this a little secret? Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then and then I would like go to these

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Speaker 1: Hip hop dancer. You're like, I think by bye bye

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Speaker 2: Like a like a little bit in there, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a great I mean you were training,

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Speaker 1: you didn't, I mean for something, you know, for something else.

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Speaker 1: It's like I have a skill set that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to use and I've gotten really good at Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it is going to I'm going to use it, you

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah that is It is crazy how I'm

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Speaker 2: in my parents side all the time too, because I

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Speaker 2: you know, I was trying to hide it from them,

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Speaker 2: but they knew, you know, they would see me like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Did they encourage discouraged very much? Discourage all right, actively discouraged. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to throw them under the bus or anything.

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Speaker 1: No, that's I think that you know, parents, everyone they

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Speaker 1: come to they have to come to things in their

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Speaker 1: own time, like my parents were. My mom was actually

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Speaker 2: John Choen, and it was like three box office successes

434
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,920
Speaker 2: at wildly different price points. So you had like a

435
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 2: nine hundred thousand dollars kind of like pseudo indie that

436
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 2: gross seventy five million, and then you had this like

437
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,920
Speaker 2: forty five fifty million dollar Crazy Rich Asians which did

438
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 2: two fifty which was greaty and then and you know,

439
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,239
Speaker 2: obviously Black Panther made a billion, and so it was

440
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 2: just like the world. I mean, as I'm saying, I'm

441
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,879
Speaker 2: feeling sad because this is not the world that we

442
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,200
Speaker 2: live in now, but like everything, and it was such

443
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 2: a celebration of diversity, and and it was on the

444
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,400
Speaker 2: heels of that that Marvel greenlit a chunk Chi movie.

445
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,360
Speaker 2: I did send Yeah, I sent out a tweet like, hey,

446
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,639
Speaker 2: are we you know we're doing this? We're doing this

447
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 2: or what?

448
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:54,640
Speaker 1: Love?

449
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,879
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone ever read it, but I think

450
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,679
Speaker 2: it would. Yeah, it spoke to I was like, oh, no,

451
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 2: that's my dream role. I'm never going to get it.

452
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 2: There'sn't a chance in hell, but that's my dream, right. Yeah,

453
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 2: you know, I refused to kind of have any sort

454
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 2: of hope that it was going to happen for me.

455
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 1: What was your process in how did you? I mean,

456
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 1: was it you know, just kind of banging at the door.

457
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 2: I mean I had a manager at the time who

458
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,159
Speaker 2: was speaking to casting, and maybe the talent pool for

459
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 2: Asian actors just wasn't It's not like insane, you know,

460
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 2: Tom Holland I think very famously had to like audition

461
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 2: against something. This is not the right number, but like

462
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 2: twelve thousand potential Spider Man, right, like I think maybe

463
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 2: I had one one hundred and fifty, which is not

464
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,400
Speaker 2: a small number, but it's still like, you know, it's

465
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,199
Speaker 2: it's significant. March or April I sent in, you know,

466
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 2: my first tape, which was scenes from Goodwill hunting because

467
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: they never shared their actual script, right, And then in

468
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 2: June July I met the director and then a few

469
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 2: weeks later I screen tested, and then two days after

470
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 2: that I got the job. And yeah, it was I

471
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: mean to talk about like a kid from Toronto. Yeah, tense,

472
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: like the whole like first place, you know, Winner Takes All.

473
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: And you had but you've been into business enough to

474
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: know what that meant. And then in some ways when

475
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 1: I auditioned for Doune. I didn't really have a concept

476
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: of what we were talking about and the scope and

477
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 1: the scale. I just was like, Oh, this is an audition.

478
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm an actress. Is a job. I'll go do this job,

479
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: you know. Just yea naivete, you know what I mean? Yeah,

480
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: but having but being kind of knowing how this is

481
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 1: going to change. It's a weird thing, right. It's like

482
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Speaker 1: I always feel like I don't want to look straight

483
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 1: at it. I just want to it's just over here.

484
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: I just want to It's in my periphery and if

485
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: I look at it, it's going to disappear totally. That's

486
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 1: the way I feel about stuff like that. Yeah, And

487
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: the experience was awesome.

488
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: It was I mean of shooting it was.

489
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: It was.

490
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: It's the most incredible experience of my of my life.

491
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: You know.

492
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: We shot it in Sydney, Australia, and I'll never have

493
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 2: that feeling again of just coming to work every day

494
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 2: and like we had such a special bond. I feel

495
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: like all of us in the cast because we all

496
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: knew how important it was.

497
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: Going to be.

498
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, we thought it We thought it would

499
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: make a billion dollars but then you know, the like

500
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: the variants hit and then we were you know, we

501
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: opened at a time where like you couldn't even sit

502
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: next to someone at the at the movie theater, I

503
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: feel like, and a lot of parts of the world.

504
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: But still we managed to scrap together like four hundred

505
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: and four and fifty million.

506
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. It's not bad, that's amazing. I love it.

507
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: I really yeah. I was just like going that. I mean,

508
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: it's weird because I studied when I was growing up,

509
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: another nerdy thing I did. I used to take, I took,

510
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: I studied karate, so I studied a Korean form show

511
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: a con Yeah. It's so funny because I'm like, yeah,

512
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: I share, I share this in a completely different environment,

513
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: you know. So parents are on board, everybody's everybody's good now,

514
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: they're like, wow, thankfully.

515
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: I feel like my parents and I sorted out a

516
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: lot of our issues before the big moment, because I

517
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 2: feel like there would always be a part of me

518
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: that would be like a little bit like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

519
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: now you're on board.

520
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right, really you didn't see that.

521
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: You didn't, yeh exactly exactly. But no, they, to their credit,

522
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 2: I think somewhere in the struggle of it all, they

523
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: started to really understand and were very begrudging became very

524
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: begrudgingly supportive. And so when shann Shi happened, it was

525
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: a really great celebratory moment for all of us, thank goodness.

526
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: And they were, you know, one of the first people

527
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Speaker 2: that I called. And I think a lot of immigrant

528
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: parents don't retire or retire late out of just this

529
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: fear and anxiety of not being able to support their

530
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Speaker 2: kids and be there for their kids, because you know,

531
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: it really comes down to support system, right Like, if

532
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: you immigrate to a new country, you don't know anybody

533
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: who don't speak the language, you have no support system,

534
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: you got no safety net. And so I feel like

535
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: they that kind of anxiety dominates your existence. And so

536
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: I think seeing watching my dad retire he retired during

537
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: the pandemic, and then my mom shortly shortly after, seeing

538
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: them just like get to travel the world, live life

539
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: on their own terms finally and not feel this constant

540
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: burden to like support or provide or sacrifice, you know,

541
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: has been has been a great, a great joy.

542
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, me very satisfying.

543
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: When I'm stuck in a when we're you know, in

544
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: the like Pitch Dark soundstage, seven thirty in the morning,

545
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: and I look at my parents and they're doing the

546
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: Turtle mont Blanc in France. I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

547
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: maybe I'll retire.

548
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And do they come to the side, do they

549
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: do they come and visit? Do they they?

550
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: They come to a few there's they're really really shy

551
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 2: about it.

552
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, said is also just I mean, yeah, it's a lot.

553
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: It's a lot. At the first hour, you're like, okay, yeah, yeah,

554
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm done here.

555
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, on this, on this last show that I did,

556
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: they they came a few times and I timed it

557
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 2: around lunch so there wouldn't be too much like idle

558
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: time and waiting time. But yeah, get them to get

559
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: them to a buffet though, and they'll yeah that's very quick.

560
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I love that. There's this one you're talking about.

561
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: It is that the it's it's called cock Yeah, yeah,

562
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: tell me about that. Is this is going to drop soon? Right? Yeah?

563
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes out. I mean I don't know when

564
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: this this will air, but it comes out December twenty

565
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: seventh on Okay, yeah, okay.

566
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: Very cool. And you you're the star, you're the lead, yeah,

567
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: and EP on it and an EP yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.

568
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: You've had that credit before. I'm thinking not.

569
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: Meaningfully, not meaningful sometimes. I think that that title gets

570
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: thrown around a lot in our industry, and this was

571
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: the first time that I feel like it really meant something,

572
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: meant something to me, it meant something to you know,

573
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: the showrunners and the co creators and producers and so yeah,

574
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: it was this amazing process where I think because being

575
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: an actor on stage it's such a.

576
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: Different feeling than being an actor in film.

577
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: There's a lot more ownership on the stage, control the

578
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: ey of the audience on stage truly. In film it's

579
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: a director's medium's an editors medium. So you're you're a

580
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: paint maybe you're a paint brush at best. Yeah, yes,

581
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 2: you know. And then and then they go and they

582
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: assemble every thing and there's a final product that comes out.

583
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: But like by then you're so far removed from that process.

584
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: As a producer, I mean, it was it was just

585
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: really awesome getting to tell the story, you know, getting

586
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: to be in the writer's room, for example, and to

587
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: listen to people's ideas and to give ideas and then

588
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: to be on set and to you know, it's almost

589
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: like worry about things that were not just my character,

590
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, and just you know, and and and that

591
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: almost in a kind of roundabout way, helped me get

592
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: into character because then I would know why that was there,

593
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: and I would know why that screen was there. And

594
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: so often I feel like, especially on these like you know,

595
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: on these shows, that there's a lot of sets. You know,

596
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: you come and you're like, great, this looks awesome, and

597
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: now you're shooting, and it's like you don't have time

598
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: to really like feel where you are and like ground

599
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: yourself being an actor in TV, and it's just it

600
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: can be such a rushed experience, you know, where.

601
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: As you said, it's like you're sort of in your

602
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: own lane. I don't know if that's exactly with your

603
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: own little pod as an actor. And I agree with

604
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: you in terms of having a larger influence, because it

605
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: does demand that you have to done now. You have

606
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: to understand kind of this every every character story. And

607
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: I think it's helpful because then you say, okay, this

608
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: is this is how I fit into this, yes, And

609
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: then these characters need they're going to need things that

610
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about, and so you sort of

611
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: feed that a little bit.

612
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: It informs the choices that you make yes to serve that,

613
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: and hopefully makes the story better because of it.

614
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: And I think that type of involvement is Yeah, it's

615
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: a step beyond just coming in. I have my lines, great.

616
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and and of course, like our timelines are

617
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: constantly being constricted, you know, they're like, okay, like when

618
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 2: was the last I can't remember when I last had

619
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: a table read a table read, or like a rehearsal

620
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: for something on screen. It's just like, no, you just

621
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 2: show up and yeah, then you do it.

622
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well good, that's I'm excited. This is going to

623
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: be good. It's eight episodes.

624
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's eight episodes. You know, it's like paranoid spy thriller.

625
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I know a little bit of what it is.

626
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: It's sound. It's a very interesting.

627
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Yes, yeah, So I play this X

628
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: Special Forces Analysts. His name is Alexander Hale. He works

629
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: for this kind of like CIA esque organization called the Orphanage.

630
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: And the Orphanage is important because it houses a lot

631
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: of national secrets. They monitor all of the other intelligence agencies,

632
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: the FBI, the NSA, the you know, the CIA, and

633
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: they kind of serve as an internal affairs and they

634
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: also kind of oversee intelligence.

635
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: Operations in the US. And it's fictional.

636
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: It doesn't actually right right, right, but it's cool, and

637
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: we like we kind of like the idea that there

638
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: was like kind of a benevolent deep state. It was

639
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: like kind of discomforting thought for I think Thomas and

640
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Jen the showrunners, and for me just living in kind

641
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: of like a politically messy, messy time knowing I'm like, oh, yeah,

642
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: it'd be nice if there was like a shadowy group

643
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: of people who actually like really cared and had people's

644
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: best interests.

645
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: Be nice.

646
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: So Alexander works for this for this agency, is an analyst, and.

647
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: I like that throw back. You've got some history, you

648
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: can analyst countant.

649
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit slight differences in our pilot, Alexander's

650
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: been experiencing migraines for a while and he comes upon

651
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: this like experimental technology that basically hacks the It's a

652
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: nanotechnology that hacks eyes and ears and so people can

653
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: unwittingly become moles. And he realizes that he's been hacked

654
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: and then he's a mole and that's what he's feeling,

655
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: is yeah, and so it sets into you know, sets

656
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: into play this like big kind of Truman Show esque

657
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: game that he starts to play with his enemy and

658
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: with his end with the Orphanage, where you know, he

659
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: realizes he's been hacked, but he doesn't want to just

660
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: the easiest thing to do would be to say, hey,

661
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: I've been hacked.

662
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Stop.

663
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: But you know, he realizes he's been hacked, and he

664
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: realizes that having a two way link actually can benefit

665
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: them because they can start feeding the enemy false information.

666
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: And so he figures out a way to communicate that

667
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: to the Orphanage without actually communicating it right, And so

668
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: the show is very much about like monitoring, you know,

669
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: it's like about these micro expressions and about what he

670
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: does with his hands while he's looking you know, this way,

671
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: and somehow let the Orphanage know what's going on, and

672
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: then they kind of start to build this false world

673
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: around him where that he has to navigate and kind

674
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: of anticipate what they want him to do.

675
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: Incredibly complex.

676
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, as I'm explaining it, I'm like, oh boy, yeah, no,

677
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: but I'm but as you're talking about it, I'm thinking myself, Yes,

678
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: that is like just.

679
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: A little bit of the research that we did. So

680
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: it feels like it's in your wheelhouse, very much in

681
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: your wheelhouse, just because there are so many things. Just

682
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: just watching some of your social Yeah, I think it

683
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: was coming on the was it the Jennifer Hudson Show,

684
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: and there's they kind of carry you through the oh

685
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: the story tunnel. Yes, I hadn't seen before, and I

686
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: was like, oh, and you have to dance your way

687
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: through and suddenly you're whipping out all the stuff. Oh yeah, yeah. College, yes,

688
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: And I'm like I'm always looking first, like you learn

689
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: certain skills like I went to school for three years

690
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: and training, we learned to do things. We learn't juggling,

691
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: We learn all sorts of different things, always looking like

692
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: hey I know how to do that? Yeah, how can

693
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: we integrate that? And it was so like unexpected and

694
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: just like whoa, that's awesome.

695
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: I was get so embarrassed when people actually watch I

696
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: don't know, it's some you know, because it's like all

697
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: of this happens on my phone. I'm like, oh, I

698
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: see it, and I'm like, oh, that's fine. And then

699
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: when someone actually references I get so embarrassed.

700
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: Well, I just stuck out to me because I was like,

701
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: that was unexpected and very cool. Yeah, and like you

702
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: weren't just kind of faking it. I dance around the

703
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: spirit tunnel to get Yeah, I would be it would

704
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: be tough, but it looks like it's a very cool

705
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: idea because they that's they.

706
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: Bring you into the They bring you and then and

707
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: the crew there are so wonderful and they and they

708
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: make a custom song for you. Yeah yeah right, yeah,

709
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: they we chanting my name and I think they did

710
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: it to Barbie, like I'm a Barbie girl. Oh yeah,

711
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: so it's like I'm in Seaman's world. I sent something.

712
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: Yes, it was cool.

713
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it was really really really sweet. Really make

714
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: you feel special.

715
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: God, I love that you bring up Barbie. I was

716
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: just I mean, I so enjoy Greta is such an

717
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: amazing director. I mean, I don't know her. I've never

718
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: worked with her as an actor, but I just love

719
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: what she does. And when I see her speak, I'm like,

720
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: she is so smart, she's so interesting. She's has a

721
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: very very specific vision and she seems to really I mean,

722
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: she loves the creative dynamics, balancing back and forth. Yea energy. Yeah, yeah,

723
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: your experience on that was was was it awesome? Yeah?

724
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: And she and really in large part because of her Yeah,

725
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: she she really Yes, she does have a very specific

726
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: idea of what she wants, but also what she wants

727
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: is something that's like so malleable and so joyous when

728
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: she makes discoveries. It's not about the ego of being

729
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: right as it is a lot of you know, directors

730
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: that I maybe worked with. It's about we're here, let's

731
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: find something. This is what I think. What do you think? Yeah,

732
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,719
Speaker 2: and then when something happens, it's like the way that

733
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: there's this like really viral clip of I think I

734
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: think it's Certin and Timothy, but I'm not sure.

735
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: But where she's like kiss her you know, do you

736
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: guys know this clip where.

737
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: Greta is standing behind the monitor and she's watching these

738
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: two actors and they're frolicking and she's just laughing like

739
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: she's having the best time. Yeah, And that was Yeah,

740
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: that's that's her on I think on everything that she does.

741
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: It was her on Barbie and it's just we worked

742
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: together really to give Mike Ken his very specific identity,

743
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: you know, as it pertains to Ryan's ken, this idea

744
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: of like being weirdly intimidating or something because he could backflip.

745
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: That's what we like. Yes, that's what we landed on.

746
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: David was very much like that joyful behind the monitor

747
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: watching and even when we didn't have a dune in

748
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: Blue belve we didn't have monitors, he was right there

749
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: by the camera and and just very wrapped, you know,

750
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: and also love just like wanted so much kind of

751
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: one to be there. You know, there's like an umbilical

752
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: cord almost, you feel. And certainly when we did Twin Peas,

753
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: it was a lot of like he would he actually

754
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: created a character for himself so he could come into

755
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: the world of twin people, which I loved, you know

756
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I feel like that with Greta

757
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: there's definitely that really connection, yeah, which is really magical. Yeah.

758
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: I love a director that might ruin a take because

759
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: they're laughing so bad, you know, it's like that's the

760
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: best reason.

761
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree with you. Yeah, And I have worked

762
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: with some directors that are just basically they're just intimidating

763
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: that they come out from behind the curtain and you're like, Okay,

764
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: what which which personality am I going to get? So

765
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: is it is it the calm kind of fund or

766
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: is it the one? Don't you ever you know, Yeah, yeah,

767
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: I hear if you had experiences like that. But it's

768
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: like I've.

769
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: Never, thankfully i've never been yelled at, but I've definitely

770
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: been like, very dryly like, yeah, if you could, if

771
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 2: you could just do what's written, that would be Oh god,

772
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: that would be great.

773
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: And it just it just it just kills your spirit.

774
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: I mean, it's tough because you want. I mean, yeah,

775
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: of course, it's a you know, it's a professional environment,

776
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: so it's not all about fun and games. It's not

777
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: about having the best time. But I do think that

778
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: we tend to do our best work as creatives when

779
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: we feel free.

780
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break and we'll come back.

781
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: We're going to do this game. It's called Simu and

782
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: His Superhero Sidekicks. Okay, great, so this is this is exciting,

783
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: this is great. We're here. I have a cape. You

784
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: have a cape and a mask, and yeah, I don't

785
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: recognize you. I don't even know it's you. Maybe you

786
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: knew this.

787
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: I was a birthday party like superhero oh for some time,

788
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: no kidding.

789
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: During my struggle years.

790
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: So this is really like, it's really taken me back in.

791
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: A good way. Yeah, you're not breaking in a sweat, You're

792
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: not breaking Yeah. No, kids are not physically assaulting me.

793
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: So it's a big win when when yes for those

794
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: for those unlucky for you who are only listening. So

795
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: we are dressed in our superhero costumes. We're both wearing masks,

796
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: very Adam West, very Adam West, and a very cape

797
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: as well. Batman and Rob is Batman and Robin all

798
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: the way. There's no tights, no not so use your imagination.

799
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love this.

800
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: I love the like bright and shiny superhero era campy.

801
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: You know, I just feel like the color pallet just

802
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: keeps getting darker and grittier.

803
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and darker. Let's go back to the and yeah.

804
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's just like black now black and dark and

805
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: no capes.

806
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: You know, no caps. This is a terrible thing. I'm

807
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: a big fan of capes, I said.

808
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: Mine says, bruh, I'm a superhero.

809
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: And mun says I'm the sidekick. So I'm Robbin to

810
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: your Batman.

811
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: It's not true. I feel like, I'm your sidekick.

812
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: Okay, the names, and we're gonna choose our names. But

813
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: first of all, we're gonna remind us. So we're gonna

814
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: do some we're gonna we're doing some superhero readings and stuff.

815
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna find our superhero names. So yeah, we have

816
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: this special chart here. Okay, got it. It's gonna give

817
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: us the first letter of your first name and the

818
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: first letter of your last name. We'll give you your

819
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: superhero name. Okay, got okay, So let's start. Kyle McLoughlin.

820
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: K So my first my superhero name is is Okay, blue?

821
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: And where's the M.

822
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: You are wearing Blue Talent, like the Blue Talent, Blue

823
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: Talent first letter okay, S C S and L the

824
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: Iron Rock.

825
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like that's a good one, supid.

826
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: I think Blue the Iron Rock and the Yeah and

827
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: the Iron Rock and his trusty sidekick Blue Talent, the

828
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 2: Blue Talent.

829
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: These are guys. Yeah, they're they're in Trouble's Superhero Trouble.

830
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: You're an acting coach, you love to do yes, and

831
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: you're going to be teaching Kyle how to be a superhero.

832
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, yeah, these are lines for my projects. So

833
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: the first one is we interface Flintstone. We conceptualize tend

834
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 1: to rise, prioritize. What do you think?

835
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that was really great. That was a really

836
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: great initial delivery.

837
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: Thank you.

838
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a bad first draft. That's good.

839
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: It's good good. I've been doing this for forty years,

840
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: so you know, but.

841
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: I can I feel like you came at it from

842
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: like a really analytical place. A superhero's greatest quality is

843
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: actually their ability to put the everyday man at ease.

844
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: So rather than saying something from an analytical perspective of like,

845
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: you know, this is what we do, it's like, uh,

846
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 2: comfort me with it, comfort me, put me at ease

847
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: with the just the authority and the and the certainty

848
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: of your of your voice.

849
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: Okay, ok, let's right, let's try. Yeah, we interface Flintstone.

850
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: We conceptualize tender.

851
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: Oh okay, prior Oh there's like a flirtatious quality.

852
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, I'm trying to connect, trying to connect ideas.

853
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: Your Okay, your your my first line, which is your

854
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: your line? I must not fear. Fear is the mind killer.

855
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: My first guest would be Doune.

856
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, very good.

857
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: Yes, that like in a marvel.

858
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: Way, a marvely way.

859
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: I feel like, I feel like, again, we've just gone

860
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: to such a minimalistic place. I kind of want to

861
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: do it the like Adam west Well, which also is

862
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: like it's it's more I would say, like more presentational, right,

863
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Speaker 2: And it's more like it's it's like you're performing it

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Speaker 2: on a stage, because you know, superheroes always have audiences,

865
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Speaker 2: so it's like it comes from a place of I

866
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: must not fear. Fear is the mind killer.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: That's confident, very, you know. I like that we're all

869
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 2: about our secret identity. With the mask on, I feel

870
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: like liberating.

871
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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is it.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I have been her dentist for years, but last week

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Speaker 1: I was looking into her mouth and decided to stick

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Speaker 1: my tongue in it. I remember this line, reading it

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00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: and going I remember doing this line and going, this

877
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: is the strangest line. I have been her dentist for years,

878
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: but last week I was looking into her mouth and

879
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: decided to stick my tongue in it, really trying to

880
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: channel Chris Hamsworth.

881
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: But I don't know if I was able to do it,

882
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: because you got to have a bit of the alsie

883
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: Oh no, I've been a dentist for years. Last week lost,

884
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 3: I was looking into her mouth and decided to stick

885
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: my tongue at it.

886
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: You're telling me something.

887
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: I find if I'm reading reading the script right, and

888
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: you read a line and it's something triggers something in me,

889
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: and I suddenly go, oh my god, that's Chris Walker. Yeah.

890
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: The rhythm of the line goes boom right into the

891
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: back of my head. Oh oh, I've been a dentist

892
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, last week, Yeah, you know what I mean. Okay,

893
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: here we go.

894
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like someone's taking a crowbar to my heart.

895
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

896
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously this person's talking about heartbreak, but maybe

897
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: in the superhero context it's an actual crow bar.

898
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: I heart love this choice with it.

899
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it feels like someone's taking a crow bart

900
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: to my heart.

901
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: Oh, let me get let me remove that rob you like.

902
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: Someone's taking a crowbar to my heart.

903
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: That was genius. Who are you? I'm right here, I'm

904
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: right here. Yeah, oh my god. That was funny. But

905
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: a superhero is. Yeah. I think it's part of the

906
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: part of the fun of Marvel is the fun that

907
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: they have and the sort of the ad lib kind

908
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: of nature of it. So when you're in your character

909
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: like that, you you then you can sort of, you know,

910
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: move around a little bit.

911
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: Charlotte, you're making a scene, not like your spine. Yeah,

912
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: you know, I love that, perfect feel. Trey is from

913
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: a very well to do family. He's I think he

914
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: would never be caught slouching the way that I Slauch.

915
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: Howards superhero person, excellent posture. Come now, shot it. You're

916
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: making a scene.

917
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 4: I love I love I saw it. I saw it

918
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: that you guys are very nice. No, I love because

919
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 4: they're so they're superhuman. It's fun when you make them human,

920
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 4: right and kind of have those moments.

921
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: So yes, so we look forward. That's on the twenty seventh, right,

922
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

923
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really excited about it, you know, for the

924
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: first time being an executive producer, which we talked about,

925
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: which is really really exciting. And yeah, just put put

926
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: a lot of myself into into it, and very grateful

927
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: to ever have an opportunity to be number one on

928
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: the call sheet. It's not you know, it doesn't happen

929
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: every day, and now I don't ever take it for granted.

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00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: It's very special and I would imagine this number one.

931
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: There's a responsibility of kind of setting setting the tone, yeah,

932
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: which you which you understand completely.

933
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to. I try to just you know,

934
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: you know, I thrive in states of play. I think

935
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: a lot of us do, and so I think just

936
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: keeping that sense alive as much as you can. Obviously,

937
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a job, and their economic constraints

938
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: and and things that you have to do, and it's

939
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: not always fun every single day every day. But yeah,

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00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: if if you're able to kind of instill just a

941
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: little bit of lightness, I feel like that's.

942
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with go along agree, that's that's a

943
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: perfect thing. All right. That's all the time we have today.

944
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: There's me there's more time in the day. But we're

945
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: we've I got to We've gotta go, we gotta go,

946
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: we got we have got to rescue some people. You're ready,

947
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: Here we go.

948
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Iron Rock there literally.

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Speaker 1: What are we even doing? Is a production of iHeartMedia

950
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: and the Elvis Duran podcast network, hosted by me Kyle

951
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: McLachlin and created and produced by Full Picture Productionists, featuring

952
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: New Yata and artwork by Danica Robinson. For more information

953
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: about the podcast. Please visit our Instagram and TikTok at

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00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:14,279
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