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Speaker 2: your four and zero Minnesota Vikings are headed to London

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Speaker 2: to take on an old enemy and Aaron Rodgers and

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Speaker 2: the Jets. The Jets, the Jets, the Jets. Guys, we

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Speaker 2: is going to join us to talk about Sam Darnold,

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Speaker 2: to talk about the weird, Aaron Rodgers, Jets history, Vikings history,

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Speaker 2: and we even get into a little Carl Anthony Towns,

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Speaker 2: Hey man, thank you for joining the show.

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Speaker 3: What's up, dude, Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: This is a weird emotional week. I think for fans.

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Speaker 2: If four years ago you'd have said, hey man, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be playing in London, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be

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Speaker 2: on the Jets. You still hate him, He's gonna be

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Speaker 2: though you're starting Sam Darnold. Like I think, all the

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Speaker 2: energy around it is pretty it's almost like the Back

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Speaker 2: to the Future Biff timeline, Like what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: It's like a script?

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Speaker 4: Man. I mean, I feel like I I never know.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to walk a mile in a few.

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Speaker 4: Different fan base his shoes, because sometimes being the loser

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Speaker 4: side of New York the Mets, Jets, Nicks Islanders, it

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Speaker 4: feels like not only are we always losing, but it's

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Speaker 4: blah blah, And it's like, how do these Does this

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Speaker 3: Or is it really just me? Or like it can't

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Speaker 4: I'd love to, like, you know, see how how other

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel like my sports life has

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated with fan basis psychology too, and I think

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Speaker 2: It's just it's just terrible. Yeah, So not a lot

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Speaker 4: Then I start to see these, you know, certain teams

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's like because people respect getting there. I think once

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Speaker 4: Badge of honor and uh, and it makes all the difference.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a weird sports purgatory that somebody hilariously

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Speaker 3: It's your ownership.

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Speaker 4: It's it's you know, because you change, you change your

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Speaker 3: It's just over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the expectations be everything. Man, I'm just a guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a guy with a giant arm.

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Speaker 4: Like when and he when Kirk Cousins is done with

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Speaker 4: You're right, It's just like anybody who comes in and

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Speaker 4: I mean again, it was so hard to tell because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know if he has the right

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Speaker 4: You know, we're running the ball all the time and

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Speaker 3: Maybe he's the guy, and it's like bro, that was

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Speaker 4: I mean I remember even with Zach Wilson the Chiefs

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Speaker 4: He like won the crowd, you know, but then you

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Speaker 4: it for Donald definitely, two, maybe three. A Star Is

440
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 4: Born was the headline. All of these guys always had

441
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 4: one game. It was Sanchez, Gino, and maybe one other. Yeah,

442
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 4: Sanchez was kind of like, I mean, he was like

443
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 4: doing it in the playoffs.

444
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's an argument to be made that you.

445
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: Could have run that with saying yeah, yeah, I mean,

446
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 3: you know, he beat he won.

447
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 4: At that point, he had the most playoff road winds

448
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 4: ever with the four wins.

449
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 3: He had Beaten Brady, he had Beaten Manning, he had beaten.

450
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 4: Phil Rivers, he almost beat Roethlisberger, and then Gino had

451
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 4: like one big game and it was like they just kept

452
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 4: running this Star as Born thing, and it was like it,

453
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 4: you know, it's just the one game, guy, It's one game.

454
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: We're just so desperate for it.

455
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 4: So I understand it, but that's what the pressure you know,

456
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 4: it's like a star is born me talking about guys.

457
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 4: I you know, I still know what I'm doing out here.

458
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: Yet You've said you've mentioned the media a few times,

459
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: which is, you know, I think everybody knows about that.

460
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: You know, everybody from you know, Minnesota, Midwest, West Coast,

461
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: we all get that. We've heard it. I think it's

462
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: a different thing when you're actually there.

463
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Speaker 3: I don't think you get it. Yeah, I think you

464
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 3: get it.

465
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: But you get it, but you don't get it. So

466
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: my question about it is like before Patrick Mahomes walked

467
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: into the league, I was, despite my you know, football

468
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 2: disdain for the Green Bay Packers, I was pretty happy

469
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: to make the case that Aaron Rodgers might be the

470
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: most talented quarterback to ever step on a field. I

471
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 2: thought he had Marino's arm with Steve Young's legs. He's

472
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 2: just a bizarre talent. But in Green Bay he aged

473
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: like you know, if you get a shelter dog and

474
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: they're like, he's nineteen and he's good most the time,

475
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: I'm and then every once while you're like, why is

476
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: he growling at that chair? Like that's That's kind of

477
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: how he aged in Green Bay. But the thing was

478
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: you want to talk about like fan bases, psychology, Green Bay,

479
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: for they are the trust fund babies of the like

480
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: they this and they all think everybody's out to get

481
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 2: them and You're like, no, no, the the trophy's named

482
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: after you.

483
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the fact that they're gonna have gone

484
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 4: from what fifteen years or whatever, from far Right into

485
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 4: Rogers right into love. It's like you've never even struggled, man, Like,

486
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 4: no one's got to get you. You've got it, gravy, dude, you.

487
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: Know, you don't even know what the word rant means.

488
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: Get away, get away from me. But so they there

489
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: was this ultimate like how dare you come at Rogers?

490
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: And I think we all knew when Rogers got to

491
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: New York that you know, that experience changes with the media.

492
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: But I'm curious four games in to him actually playing.

493
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: I think if you guys would have snuck away with

494
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: that Bronco's thing, the narrative would be a lot different

495
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 2: than it is right now. But what is what is

496
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: the Aaron Rodgers experience at two and two heading to London.

497
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Speaker 4: First of all, you know, it goes back to the injury,

498
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 4: which was one of just the craziest goddamn things ever,

499
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 4: you know, and those are the moments where you feel

500
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 4: like you're cursed as a fan, where it's like, what

501
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 4: he's out for the season, and that really like changed

502
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 4: I think everything, because you couldn't judge him like one

503
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 4: way or the other, you know what I mean. So

504
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 4: it was like the media was kind of waiting to see.

505
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 4: And you know, that first game we got, we got

506
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 4: our asses handed to our to us like it was

507
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 4: not great. But when he broke out against the Pats,

508
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 4: I think that was going to be his like you know,

509
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 4: jumping off point.

510
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: And then this game was just so same old Jets,

511
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 3: like sloppy. I mean it was in the rain, maybe

512
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 3: you could throw that out.

513
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: But but Broncos might be better. They might be a

514
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: little better than people think they are.

515
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, And but what I noticed was against the Pats.

516
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: Like rogers wheeling and dealing. He looked good out there.

517
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 4: Because against the Niners, it was like every time he

518
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 4: ran the ball, I was like, just lide, go.

519
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 3: Down, go down, going, I throw it out of bounds,

520
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 3: you know.

521
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 4: And then by you know, halfway through the Pats came

522
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 4: I was like, no, this guy is like still able

523
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 4: to scramble and really do it. And then it felt

524
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 4: like against the Broncos, it was like a statue.

525
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 2: I think that was a little bit of the weather.

526
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I think they're not they're not

527
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 4: killing him as much. I think that pats Win gave

528
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 4: him a little bit of grace.

529
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: It'd be funny if they did The Star is Born

530
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: for him, forty years old, off the Pats just him

531
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: with gray and his beard.

532
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be funny. I mean, the media is

533
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: so interesting.

534
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: It's like I remember that for the New York Daily News,

535
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: it was a reporter maniche Mehta, who I think eventually

536
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 4: ended up getting fired. He was always very biased and

537
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: it was very clear he was just looking for headlines

538
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 4: and followers, and if he liked you, he would you

539
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 4: know right, if he hated you, he would pick you apart.

540
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 4: And I think eventually they like I can't remember what

541
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 4: it was, but they found some dirt on him that

542
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: was like, you're actually, you know, not a you know whatever.

543
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: The rules of journalism are like you're you know, you're gone,

544
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: you're violating them. But it was like in this new

545
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 4: era of I want to go make three hundred and

546
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 4: seventy five million dollars like Tom Brady.

547
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 3: I want to be one hundred million dollar man, like

548
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: Stephen A. Smith.

549
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: Like you have to build your own following, you have

550
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: to have your own opinions. You've got to have talk show,

551
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 4: not just like I'm reporting on the team.

552
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: So you know, with the Mets and the Jets, a

553
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 3: little bit of the next but most of the Mets

554
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: and the Jets.

555
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 4: Like the papers and the talk radio are always negative.

556
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 4: Is going to get you more attention. Yeah, the Mike

557
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 4: Francises of the world and the mad Dogs of the world.

558
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 4: If you're making fun of the Jets, you know, half

559
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 4: the city's laughing at them. The other half is the

560
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 4: fans who are like they do this to.

561
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: Me every year.

562
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 4: It's very rare that they're just like they're good, yeah,

563
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: like they're or just like or just like they're okay,

564
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 4: you know, like you're gonna be eight and eight this year,

565
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 4: Like you're okay.

566
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: It's fine, you lose some games.

567
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's usually just like this guy is falling, or

568
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 4: we're gonna put all the pressure in the world on

569
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: your shoulders.

570
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: It's a little different because he's not a rookie. He's

571
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: not young.

572
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 4: It's been just a revolving door of either backups or rookies,

573
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 4: so you don't know like what they're capable of. So

574
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 4: this is kind of like I think even the media knows, like,

575
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 4: you can't get crazy. After one game he lost to

576
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 4: the Broncos. We'll see what happens next week. You know,

577
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: you lose a couple in a row, they're gonna come out.

578
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 4: But I think right now even the media knows to

579
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 4: give him a little bit.

580
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: Of You got to give him a little leeway.

581
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: It's interesting though, there was a moment so cause I

582
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: watched that the end of that Broncos Jets game, so

583
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: when Farv came here after he spent time with you,

584
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: and then he came here. Everybody remembers that first season

585
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: as kind of this magical run.

586
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: Talking about it in Minnesota. Yeah, yeah, well you guys

587
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: are like fourteen and two or something.

588
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: Right, it was. It was nuts. My dad told me

589
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: before that season started, he's like, whatever happens, because we

590
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: didn't know Aaron Rodgers was going to exist, right. I

591
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: think he'd have thought differently if he thought Aaron Rodgers

592
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: was going to exist. But he's like, whatever happens. This

593
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: guy can still play, and you're about to play with

594
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: their most important guy ever. Well, he's still good. He

595
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: goes eat up every minute. But people forget you remember

596
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: when when the heat not one, not two, and then

597
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: they came out and they lose to the MAVs. Right,

598
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: because when you put somebody who the universe revolves around,

599
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: when you stick them in the center of a new situation,

600
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 2: I don't think people give enough credit for how long

601
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: that takes. And even though Aaron's been there for a year,

602
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: this is the first time he's really been in it. So,

603
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: like going back to Farv, it was a really really

604
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: slow start. They were pulling off wins, but it was

605
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: really really slow. And then there was that Niners game.

606
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: The Niners weren't good yet, but with a few seconds left,

607
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: it was that Farv magic. He slid right, he found

608
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: Greg Lewis in the back of the end zone for

609
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: this insane touchdown at the buzzer toe tap, and then

610
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it was the Farv magic. And

611
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: so when you guys were lining up for that field goal,

612
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like right, but I saw the same

613
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: thing you saw against the Patriots, and I was like,

614
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: got I think, get this one, and then he goes

615
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: to London. He has this opportunity, and he still has

616
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: this opportunity, but to play what is right now a

617
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: defense that everybody goes what I don't even understand it,

618
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: Like he's gonna be the first veteran to see this defense.

619
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: I hope he has the worst day of his year

620
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: over there, but I think there's a case to be

621
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: made that this is an ultimate opportunity for him to

622
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: be the guy who kind of quiets a lot of

623
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: that stuff and has one of those moments where you go, oh.

624
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.

625
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: Pats are obviously not, you know, the best team. To me,

626
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: it was still a big step because they're the Patriots.

627
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 4: He had to get over them. But I understand they're

628
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 4: not the best barometer, but it was the Honestly, I

629
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: can't believe I'm gonna say this, but maybe like the

630
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: first time in my life as a Jets fan, certainly

631
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 4: in a long time, that I watched a quarterback dismantle

632
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 4: a defense like that where it was like we got to.

633
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: The point where he was just worried about spreading the

634
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: ball around.

635
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: He wants everybody to get some receptions because he's just

636
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 4: unlocked this thing and he is just burying you guys.

637
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 4: And so when I saw that, I was like, this

638
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 4: is a different sport than what I've been used to watching.

639
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: Like truly, genuinely getting first downs as a Jets fan

640
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: with some of the quarterbacks we've had, was a big deal.

641
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: I mean, the crowd literally goes and that's a Jets

642
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: first down, and we've celebrated.

643
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: I mean there, I can think of many games where

644
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 4: it would be like we haven't crossed midfield.

645
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: Yet, Like truly, I'm not even joking you.

646
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: Here's the thing you went like when we were earlier

647
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: doing like this is my fan base. This is my

648
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: fan base. The fact that you just elocuted that part

649
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: of your team's story is like a deep love for

650
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: memorable first downs. That's wild. We have the missed kicks,

651
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: but if you're over here like just opining over first

652
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: down issues, you win.

653
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: Third down conversions, third down conversions. I'm like, this is

654
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: a thing. We get the first down, like on third down,

655
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: you just get the It.

656
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 4: Was against the Pats, I think it was third and

657
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 4: third and eighteen, third and twenty something, and he just

658
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: like got the first down, and I was like, what

659
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I always go.

660
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: Back to this one game. It was Jets Cardinals. Neither

661
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: team could cross midfield.

662
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: Neither team I think we ended up winning like six three,

663
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: and it was just like, this is not football.

664
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: It's not a real it's not the sport you guys watch.

665
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 4: And then so when I see dismantling like that, I'm like, oh.

666
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: I get it. This is why the NFL is the

667
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: biggest sport in the world. Like that was awesome.

668
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 4: So I hope that this is one of those moments,

669
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: you know where where he kind of, you know, steps

670
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: up and he's that guy, like the relaxed guy already lax,

671
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 4: you know, like relax, we got this.

672
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Well, he kind of had one of those moments on

673
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: Thursday Night Football after. I mean, for you as a

674
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: fan to watch him beat the Patriots and then go

675
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: on there and be like, hey, I know you guys

676
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: are tortured. We're changing it.

677
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm not about but you know what I said,

678
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: I made a video.

679
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: We're reacting to that because I have a series called

680
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: the Goddamn Jets where we're just running through good or bad,

681
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: and I want my quarterback to say that because it

682
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: was the moment on the field with Sala where he

683
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: goes to hug him and he pushed him away, and

684
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 4: a lot of the fans thought he said too soon,

685
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: too soon, like don't celebrate, And in the postgame he

686
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: specified that he was saying two scores because I guess

687
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 4: they have some sort of kind of rule that until

688
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: you're up by two scores, you don't even you know,

689
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 4: don't get don't get comfortable, which to.

690
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: Me, I'm like, that's still not enough. This is the

691
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: New York Jets. Yeah, two scores, you know, we need

692
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: four scores.

693
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: Let's call it the Lincoln rule. Four scores for real.

694
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 4: But he so he had told them because a lot

695
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: of people thought there was a little bit of was

696
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 4: that tension?

697
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: Were they fighting? What was that? He was like, no, no, no, no,

698
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: it's just a rule we have in practice. Got to

699
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 3: be up by two scores.

700
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 4: So he pushed them away and he said that, and

701
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: I was like, that's what I want for my quarterback.

702
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: But for us when they've won eighteen of twenty.

703
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've beat us on Thanksgiving and butt fumbles

704
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: and laughed at us and Belichick with the napkin and

705
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: I see ghosts and all those.

706
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: Things you can celebrate.

707
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: You can celebrate like like you know, you know, you

708
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: got the monkey off your back and maybe that's a

709
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: signal of more things to come. So yeah, there's a bigger, bigger,

710
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 4: you know, for him it's worlds, it's a super Bowl

711
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: or busts. So but for us, I think it's important

712
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: to enjoy the ride a little bit because usually the

713
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: ride has completely.

714
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Sucked before I get you out of here. Even though

715
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: this is a football podcast, we can't not do this

716
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: speaking of that mentality, like that's I'm a diehard Timbrels

717
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: fan my whole life, so last, and you want to

718
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: talk about a tortured fan base. That is the most

719
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: comically your owner signs a contract before surgery that steals

720
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 2: all the draft picks during Kevin Garnett's primes. That's like

721
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: you couldn't even you'd write that into a scripts.

722
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: The known enough that's not like talked about enough. That

723
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: needs to be out there more.

724
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: It's one of the wildest and then it's just debacle

725
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: after debacle after debacle.

726
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 4: Adam Garnet Marbury and I think was spree well there

727
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 4: with them.

728
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: At the same time.

729
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: No, so it was it was Garnett, Marbury and Googliata Rights,

730
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: and then it was spree Well and Cassell. You want, dude,

731
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: here's how funny the tim Wolves are. The tim Wolves

732
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: had their one great previous to last year. Their one

733
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: great year in franchise history was I'm not saying they

734
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: would have beat that weird Karl Malone Gary Payton Lakers team,

735
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: but the fact that one of their three most important

736
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: players was hampered in that series because when they beat

737
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: the Kings to go to the Western Conference Finals, he

738
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: did the Major League Big Ball Dance. He hurt his

739
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: back doing that. Like you want to talk about a

740
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: tortured family. You're telling me that, You're telling me the

741
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: Big Ball Dance cost us our only chance at a

742
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 2: title in twenty years. Yeah.

743
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 4: That was like the Mets with Diaz in the World

744
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: Baseball Plastic so celebrating a meaningless exhibition, he breaks his leg.

745
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: You know, there's so many stories like that.

746
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: I feel like over the years we had guys like

747
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 4: injure themselves with Q tips or fall down the stairs

748
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: of the dugout, or one guy on the Mets.

749
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: Once hurt his back picking up. He's a hunter, he hunt.

750
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: He was picking up like an Elkerson and like hurt

751
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: his back. I was like, what is going on? Is

752
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 3: fell in a hole because a boar was chasing?

753
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: I mean, just things that are like completely they feel

754
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 4: completely made up, and they probably are to be honest,

755
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: probably ridiculous stories cover up the truth or something. But

756
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 4: it's like, I'm happy to hear there's at least one

757
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 4: of the franchise out there that has to deal with it,

758
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: so or not all old.

759
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 2: I love a millionaire that's so stubborn that he won't

760
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: buy an ATV. What are you doing?

761
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 4: Man?

762
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: Put the helck on an age right, You don't need

763
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: to do I know, I know Hicks who have ATVs

764
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: for that exact reason. But you got you got. It's

765
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: it's interesting a lot like Kirk Cousins. The town's thing

766
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: is divisive here. I'm on record. I think you guys

767
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: got a unicorn. I think it'll be really interesting to

768
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: see how he fits in. But what I will tell

769
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: you is for all the complaining people got on him

770
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: about his body language, which bro it's the NBA, Like,

771
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: I don't like it. But if body language is gonna

772
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: be the thing we're gonna talk about in the NBA,

773
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to write a twelve thousand page essay

774
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: about the whole league. But this is a dude who

775
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: never complained, never wanted out his dude, the guy who

776
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: drafted and died. He plays for all these other coaches.

777
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler fights him in practice, like he goes on

778
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: to win the NBA's version of the Walter Peyton Man.

779
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: Like he is such a good, committed human and then oh,

780
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: he's also the greatest big man three point shooter of

781
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: all time and has a put like I think you're

782
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: gonna absolutely love him. What is that? Is that where

783
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: you guys are at?

784
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: I don't know where we're at right now.

785
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: I think the Jalen Brunson Knicks are so likable, like

786
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 4: one of the most likable teams I think in like

787
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: sports history. The Nova Knicks thing is incredible. These guys

788
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 4: are all like literally best friends, all have a history together,

789
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 4: and and Brunson kind of embodies this like, you know,

790
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: he was he was underrated, overrated, under you know, they

791
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 4: thought the contract was too big, they didn't think he

792
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: was a superstar. He's always said that, people said he

793
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 4: was too short, too slow, And he ends up being

794
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 4: you know, absolutely awesome, and they just put around this

795
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: crew of guys that are so so likable, like Hartenstein

796
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: is this like electric guy that reminds me of like

797
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: the old Knicks, and you got a bunch of shooters

798
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: hitting big shots, and I think there was this feeling

799
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 4: of like, let's try to get the job done with

800
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: these guys, you.

801
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: Know, bring back Randall, Let the Nova Knicks.

802
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: You know, they put bridges in the mix, like let's

803
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: get over the hump with that. And I think that's unrealistic,

804
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 4: and I think that's the job of a GM is

805
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: to be like, yeah, listen, it's cute that they all

806
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 4: played for the same college. It's not realistic. Devincenzo had said,

807
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: I don't want to be a bench player. I don't

808
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: want to be relegated to the bench because of these moves,

809
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 4: like I'm not gonna be happy here, so they move

810
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 4: him Randall.

811
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 3: Randall's an interesting player because Randall.

812
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: At times is like unstoppable twenty six and fifteen, like,

813
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 4: you know, one of the best big men, you know, imaginable,

814
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 4: and then in the postseason, you know, disappears, doesn't get

815
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: it done.

816
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 3: Can be a very you know, emotional type of player.

817
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: I'm a little upset about that first round pick. I

818
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 3: feel like they could have maybe got it.

819
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: Love it. That's the thing that's getting That's the thing

820
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: that's keeping me afloat, brother Matt.

821
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 4: Because that that pick is you know, the pistons are dreaded, they're.

822
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: Not good, and it's not incredibly protected, right, I know

823
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 2: it's protected, but what is it top two or three

824
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: something like that.

825
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a good one. It's gonna be

826
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: a good one.

827
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 4: And so there's a little bit of like it also

828
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 4: just came out of nowhere, at least not for me,

829
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: like I for siders, we're talking about it, but everyone

830
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: was like what and then you know Kat tweeting just

831
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 4: like the three dots, like the ellipses. Yeah, I think

832
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: it's going to be something where we look back and go, like,

833
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 4: remember when people the same thing on a smaller scale

834
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: that happened with OG when they when the next traded

835
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 4: quickly and RJ Barrett, people were upset because it was

836
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 4: like these are homegrown and all that, and it's like, oh,

837
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 4: that was like the best trade.

838
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: Out O O G.

839
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: It was flabbergasted by that because that dude is an

840
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: absolute monster.

841
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: And the only other thing I think with Kat is

842
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 4: he does not give off the tough, the toughest of vibes.

843
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: And this team was like gangster.

844
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: The Knicks were like they were they could, they had talent,

845
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 4: but they were also like, you know, we you you

846
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: do not mess with us. And when you lose Hartenstein,

847
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: who's kind of that heart and soul and and ryandall's

848
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 4: one of those guys. And then your replacement is Carl

849
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 4: Anthony Towns, who's like, like, like you said, very gifted,

850
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: but not the most you know, the tough New York

851
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 4: guy we want him to be. But if you're out

852
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: there reigning threes and you're an offensive weapon and everything's.

853
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: Clicking, it all goes away.

854
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's right, weird trade.

855
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: I feel like it's.

856
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: Gonna be one that, uh, you know, hopefully everybody works out.

857
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: It's very rare, but like both teams might end up

858
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 4: looking at it thinking it's all right, I don't.

859
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: Know, it's kind of weird for and nothing's going on there.

860
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 4: I had an inkling was like I'd have thought like

861
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: it was Anthony Edwards, like this is my team and

862
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 4: I don't like this guy.

863
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: No, no, No, he's cat.

864
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 4: Cat is this guy, because like, so that was the

865
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 4: only thing that maybe made sense to me.

866
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: You were the you were the one seed, right or

867
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: the two seed, one seed.

868
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Three seeds, one seed most of this season, like.

869
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 4: Your best season ever. I think you were the one

870
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 4: seed for at least a chunk of the year. Like

871
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, the Wolves, they're one of those teams

872
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 4: where I used to say the Wolves are never gonna

873
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 4: win because.

874
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: They're the Wolves.

875
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 4: They put it together and then they take it away

876
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 4: like it better work.

877
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: Or that's a strange move.

878
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: I think. And I'm not smart enough to conceptualize all this,

879
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: but I think it is with the new Bargaining Agreement,

880
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, if you are over the

881
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: second apron, you just are what you are. You can't trade,

882
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: Like I think the restrictions to move around after that

883
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: are pretty intense. And I think they looked at it going, well,

884
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: we can either run it back exactly like this, and

885
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: that means eventually, will you lose this guy and this

886
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: will change.

887
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: Or I mean, his contract is nuts.

888
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: It's nuts.

889
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 4: It's light but fifty one, fifty five, sixty two and

890
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 4: then sixty seven million a year.

891
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: If the next is crazy, here's what I'll tell you,

892
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna ask you one Viking question so

893
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't get yelled at for turning it into a

894
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: Timbers podcast on the Vikings Dime, But I was there

895
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: is a possibility last year was the best year of

896
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: Kat's career, both from an on the court standpoint, a

897
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: defensive standpoint, but most importantly a maturity standpoint. Okay, it

898
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: was his most sure year, and there is a chance

899
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: that that is the inflection point for him that launches

900
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: him into this new universe. There's a there's a chance

901
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: that halfway through this NBA season, You're gonna send me

902
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: a message and be like, what the dude, how is it? Like,

903
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: there's a chance, especially because he is his pick and

904
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: pop with Brunson, especially with other shooters, And I'm like, ah,

905
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: that is.

906
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: One thing I was thinking of, is like the way

907
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 4: that that offense could be run with all the shooters

908
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: and with Brunson, and then you got this big guy

909
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: who's so versatile, and you got to get somebody to

910
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: really go up against embiid and get the East Like

911
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 4: I think I think we'll look back and be like

912
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 4: remember when we were worried about that. Now in a

913
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: couple more years, when we see what that draft pick is,

914
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 4: it might flip again and you might be like, well,

915
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 4: that's what we won. But for the short term, I

916
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 4: think and I trust. I trust the Knicks runt office

917
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 4: for the first time, and you know, twenty five years,

918
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: Leon Rose has been incredible, so he does, like we

919
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: we ride with him.

920
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: What last thing for you on the game? I'm curious.

921
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: I'm curious about a prediction. If you give one, but one,

922
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: I'd also be curious. And this is like my one

923
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: bully move as a host. But I want to know, like,

924
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: what's the one thing you're worried about? Like when you're

925
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: looking at this Vikings team, what's the one thing that

926
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: you think they do so well or you're so impressed

927
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: by that it is you know, you're ruminating on it,

928
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: Like what's what's the big concern going into this weekend?

929
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: If you leave your own universe of this is what's

930
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: wrong with my team?

931
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Speaker 4: I mean, I I very much believe in I think

932
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 4: sports are this weird combination of of like the most tangible.

933
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: It's live and these guys are playing it and you

934
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 4: never know what's going to happen, while also being mixed

935
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 4: in with like I think it's all scripted and written

936
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 4: in the stars and written in stone, and the fact

937
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: that they're facing Donald's this in a good situation.

938
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: It just has every.

939
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: Like New York media, New York fan base, all that

940
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 4: freaking out over it, Like we went and got Aaron

941
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: Rodgers and and like, look he ended up beating us,

942
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 4: and that that to me has a high potential. And

943
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 4: that's but that's also where I I I think of

944
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 4: like maybe this is where Aaron Rodgers says, like all

945
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 4: of your dumb little superstitions and all those little things,

946
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: like get rid of them, because that doesn't matter anymore.

947
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: But that that's what has me has me most scared

948
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Speaker 4: going in. I mean, you said the defense has been

949
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: lights out as as I understand it, I had not

950
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: really gotten to see them play much. But as I

951
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 4: as I understand it, that's, uh, you know what what

952
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 4: we need to fear right now. And that offense did

953
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 4: not look great against the the Broncos. Again, that was

954
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 4: the weather was was nasty. But I think right now

955
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: he's Rogers is really only comfortable throwing Alan Lazard. I

956
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 4: think like he's still learning everybody else and and that,

957
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 4: so you know that going up against the real solid

958
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: defense would give me pause. But it's that storyline, man,

959
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 4: that's that's that storyline of like the Donald revenge game,

960
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: you know, makes me want to puke just think about it.

961
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Speaker 2: Well, let's let's make sure the storyline of the Aaron

962
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: Rodgers breakout is week six.

963
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, how about we play you know no nobody,

964
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 4: you know, no star, no superstar performances.

965
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Speaker 3: I'll come down to a field home point flip.

966
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 4: We'll see how it happens and maybe the storylines can

967
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 4: can resume next week.

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Speaker 2: You're king, dude.

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Speaker 3: Thank you love it man, Thanks a love.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again to Kevin Clancy for joining the show, and

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Speaker 2: thank you to all of you for joining the show. Also,

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Speaker 2: huge shout out to Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace of

973
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Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings, for helping make this show happen. Hey,

974
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: and we're off next week during the bye, so we'll

975
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Speaker 2: see you Viking fans all again in two weeks