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Speaker 2: All right, do we want to bring Danny Parkins into
Speaker 2: Talk Bears. Let's bring Danny in from Chicago. Danny is
Speaker 2: the most talented young broadcaster I think of the country
Speaker 2: doing radio. Buddy and Nick Wright introduced me years ago.
Speaker 2: Like Nick Wright has a borderline gambling problem. That's why
Speaker 2: I love him. I say that as borderline is time
Speaker 2: that the problem is with the casinos and the books,
Speaker 2: because he actually wins. He comes from a math family,
Speaker 2: so Danny. First of all, I was surprised. I thought
Speaker 2: I thought they would defense Danny with the pick because
Speaker 2: the defensive coach. Coaches can pound the table and kind
Speaker 2: of get Usually, you know, they make two to three
Speaker 2: times what a coach does. But Ryan Poles has so
Speaker 2: much steam now, so much momentum. Eber Flus doesn't so
Speaker 2: my take by getting Roma Donze, that's a Ryan Poles call.
Speaker 2: That's my take.
Speaker 4: Years one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: When Ryan Poles was here, when he got hired, people
Speaker 5: were asking him about team building philosophy, and he said,
Speaker 5: remember where I came from, and that's Kansas City. Because
Speaker 5: he got criticism for his first draft where he didn't
Speaker 5: have a first round pick, taking Kyler Gordon and Jaquan
Speaker 5: Brisker with his two second round picks, and I criticized
Speaker 5: him for not taking a receiver in George Pickens with
Speaker 5: the Jaquan Brisker pick, and he said, remember where I
Speaker 5: came from, which he was basically saying I didn't think
Speaker 5: anyone there was the right guy to take, but I'm
Speaker 5: not going to not support the quarterback. He traded for Slaypool.
Speaker 5: It didn't work. He trades the number one pick he
Speaker 5: wants DJ more attached to it. It does work. He
Speaker 5: trades a fourth round pick for Keenan Allen, he's one
Speaker 5: of the most consistent players in the NFL. And then
Speaker 5: the ninth pick overall comes up and he makes what
Speaker 5: I thought was the obvious pick if he was on
Speaker 5: the board, and he gives Joe Burrow his Jamar Chase.
Speaker 5: You know, these guys have a rookie contract timeline that
Speaker 5: are completely aligned. I know Burrow and Chase wereing back
Speaker 5: to back drafts, but the idea is the same, to
Speaker 5: get Caleb Williams a weapon that he can grow and
Speaker 5: develop with.
Speaker 4: I'm ecstatic.
Speaker 5: This is modern offensive football finally coming to Chicago for
Speaker 5: the first time in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: Whaty nuts?
Speaker 2: John and I were talking about this. When is the
Speaker 2: last rookie quarterback that got this? This is insane.
Speaker 6: Gerald Everett's a throw in. He was the Chargers' best
Speaker 6: tight end, highly productive. Well, we've never seen it for
Speaker 6: a number one overall pick quarterback. We've definitely never seen
Speaker 6: it for that.
Speaker 5: Herbert had a very good situation in LA with Keenan
Speaker 5: Allen and Mike Williams, and you know, he was supported
Speaker 5: with Austin Eckler and Corey Linsley at center and Rashaun
Speaker 5: Slater at tackle, and he set the rookie record for
Speaker 5: passing touchdowns with thirty one. So we have never seen
Speaker 5: it for a number one overall pick to have this
Speaker 5: type of nest to come into and develop, and if
Speaker 5: I may for a second, because Colin, you and I
Speaker 5: talked about this on the show about like how Chicago's
Speaker 5: a place where they've never had offensive success and quarterback
Speaker 5: and goes to die and all of that stuff, and
Speaker 5: that cynicism that Bears fans is well earned. The amount
Speaker 5: of luck that led to this moment is just staggering.
Speaker 5: Week eighteen, two years ago, the Bears needed the Texans
Speaker 5: to beat the Colts, and Davis Mills led a fourteen
Speaker 5: play drive where he converted a fourth and ten and
Speaker 5: a fourth and twenty on the same drive and then
Speaker 5: a two point conversion to give them the number one
Speaker 5: pick in the Bryce Young Draft. They then trade the
Speaker 5: number one pick to the Panthers. The Panthers then have
Speaker 5: to be so bad and they lost four of those
Speaker 5: games by only three points to give them the number
Speaker 5: one pick to be in this position to get Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5: So the stars are finally aligning in Chicago to be
Speaker 5: set up at quarterback and have a good offense and
Speaker 5: potentially a great offense for literally the first time in
Speaker 5: my lifetime with any consistency.
Speaker 2: So Minnesota trades up twenty three to seventeen, Jacksonville slides back,
Speaker 2: Minnesota selects Dallas Turner. So ten minutes ago, John and
Speaker 2: I sort of guessed we predicted we would go on
Speaker 2: a defensive run here. So since latou La two goes
Speaker 2: to Indy Byron Murphy, the small but explosive defensive tackle
Speaker 2: a Longhorn goes to Seattle, it's a real need. Minnesota
Speaker 2: smartly moves up. So you know, Minnesota moved up just
Speaker 2: a little to get JJ McCarthy. Boy, this division's got
Speaker 2: this division's got good personnel that this division is freaking ridiculous.
Speaker 2: You can do a Pro Bowl, offensive Pro Bowl with
Speaker 2: the NFC North that can beat the league. I seriously
Speaker 2: believe that.
Speaker 1: I well, Danny, that's yeah. That's my thing with the Bears.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all in love. I mean, how could
Speaker 1: you not be what they've done. It's not the Packers.
Speaker 1: We know if that quarterback he's playing, they're gonna be good.
Speaker 1: You'd assume their defense can't be as shitty as it's been.
Speaker 1: And the Lions honestly should have beat the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 1: should have been the Super Bowl. So it's you could
Speaker 1: have an excellent, improved team and still be the third
Speaker 1: best team in that.
Speaker 4: Division very I mean it could. It could be a
Speaker 4: ten win team gets third place in this division. It
Speaker 4: could be. It could be three playoff teams that come
Speaker 4: out of the North.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I I think Minnesota and chicag will battle for
Speaker 2: a wildcard spot. I think Detroit still as the best roster.
Speaker 2: I think Green Bays is young, not as good as Detroit's,
Speaker 2: but it's pretty damn interesting offensively. The Packers defense never delivers.
Speaker 2: I couldn't say the last year I thought great defense,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't. The Aaron Rodgers year it was pretty good.
Speaker 2: But they Green Bay does offense better than anybody. They
Speaker 2: can't get the defense right, even though they draft it
Speaker 2: in the first round historically almost every year. So Dallas Turner,
Speaker 2: that was there night.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I wonder with Poles? And I
Speaker 1: wonder if Poles may say this tonight in his press conference,
Speaker 1: because you hit on the Claypool situation. I mean, they
Speaker 1: missed badly on character. And like you said, he came
Speaker 1: from around Ballard and Andy. I mean they value character
Speaker 1: pretty high with their high end guys. I wonder if
Speaker 1: they would have taken Rome over neighbors like Rome was
Speaker 1: the second wide receiver on their board. It wouldn't shock
Speaker 1: me with that at all because his character, from what
Speaker 1: I was told is elite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brock.
Speaker 5: Heword told me that he's one of the two favorite
Speaker 5: players that he's seen at Washington and being about on
Speaker 5: the program in about twenty years. And you know what's
Speaker 5: crazy too, They they kind of telegraphed it, not the Bears,
Speaker 5: but Caleb. Like it came out the other day that
Speaker 5: Tom Pelsaro had it that Roma Dunzay was working out
Speaker 5: with DJ Moore Keenan Allen with Caleb Williams throwing them
Speaker 5: the ball. Caleb and Rome were on the same flight
Speaker 5: from LA to Detroit for the draft. Caleb put on
Speaker 5: Instagram a couple hours before the draft how much he
Speaker 5: liked Roma Dunzay's outfit.
Speaker 4: So I think it might.
Speaker 5: I think it might come out because I mean they've
Speaker 5: been doing install with Caleb Williams, Like, I mean, this
Speaker 5: has been locked up for eight weeks, that Caleb's going
Speaker 5: to be a Bear. It wouldn't shocked me at all.
Speaker 5: If Ryan Poles admits that he asked Caleb Williams for
Speaker 5: input on who he wanted them to take at number nine,
Speaker 5: and so yeah, the character part for Poles, sure, but
Speaker 5: it would not surprise me at all if Caleb Williams
Speaker 5: had at least a say in Roma Dunsay being a
Speaker 5: bear I saw.
Speaker 2: I've been told this by multiple scouts and gms in
Speaker 2: the league that this is the most talented top of
Speaker 2: a draft in years. Brock Bowers goes thirteen, the best
Speaker 2: run blocking offensive tackle in years, goes fourteen to the Saints.
Speaker 2: Byron Murphy goes sixteen. Dallas Turner, who was considered a
Speaker 2: top eight pick, goes seventeen. Guys for years, Danny, I've
Speaker 2: always been told by scouts a good draft, you'll have
Speaker 2: seventeen to eighteen first round players and then it's death Valley.
Speaker 2: I was told this year it was nineteen to twenty. God,
Speaker 2: I'm amazed. My guess is Cincinnati's next guys. I think
Speaker 2: they go wide receiver. You got a defense? Oh no,
Speaker 2: they went and got a Marius Mims. This is the
Speaker 2: first pick I have real questions with not a ton
Speaker 2: of starts. If listen, somebody's gonna bust in the first
Speaker 2: eighteen picks. This one scares me.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna most of the guys will bust, multiple guys
Speaker 5: will bust in the first eighteen picks. I mean, don't
Speaker 5: you think this is maybe just Joe Burrow needs to
Speaker 5: be healthy in order for us to be good.
Speaker 4: Like with Joe, the.
Speaker 1: Bengals love the high weight speed guys too. You know,
Speaker 1: this guy's got eight starts or whatever, a little bit
Speaker 1: of a fly you know. I wouldn't say a flyer
Speaker 1: because it comes from Georgia, but pretty risky, but that's
Speaker 1: kind of their history.
Speaker 5: They take some risks, we yeah, but when Burrow is healthy,
Speaker 5: they win, for sure, win big so so I mean,
Speaker 5: I know everybody apparently want you know, Hendrickson wants to
Speaker 5: be traded and uh t Higgins wants to be traded,
Speaker 5: and guys are getting out of there because you can't
Speaker 5: pay everybody. But I'll roll the dice with a healthy
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow and a healthy Jamar Chase and so if
Speaker 5: this pick helps keep them upright, that's that's not the
Speaker 5: worst thing in the world. The run on offensive players
Speaker 5: was just remarkable, Like we knew, we knew it was
Speaker 5: gonna be the top seven. We're like, oh, maybe it'll
Speaker 5: be the top nine, but what it was the top
Speaker 5: Top fourteen, top right, top fourteen picks.
Speaker 1: You have to wonder if it's gonna start being a trend,
Speaker 1: you know, with the way college football is much more offensive.
Speaker 1: I mean, Ohio State, a historic program, is an offensive program.
Speaker 1: Now Alabama now would do bor gonna beat Lean more offense.
Speaker 1: George is probably the last of a dying breed. Even
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly look at him, Jaden Daniels, Moleague neighbors. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just wonder if this is kind of where we're
Speaker 1: headed as a as a well sport.
Speaker 2: There's two quarterbacks Shahdor Sanders will go very high next year.
Speaker 2: I do think cam Ward at Miami's a fascinating player.
Speaker 2: Saw a ton of them at Washington State. He is
Speaker 2: really electric. There's a third quarterback. Is the Georgia kid
Speaker 2: is I think is he eligible? He's I don't I
Speaker 2: worry about Georgia.
Speaker 4: Hi.
Speaker 2: They literally play with like it's twenty eight NFL guys.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I just don't. It's like JJ McCarthy, Jesus,
Speaker 2: did you ever trail did you ever not have a
Speaker 2: third and two? I mean when was third and fourteen?
Speaker 2: I mean that's like the league.
Speaker 4: I mean JJ McCarthy went a half without being asked
Speaker 4: to throw a football.
Speaker 1: He was Jimmy Garoppolo of college football.
Speaker 2: There's a stat that he only threw the ball and
Speaker 2: I'm I'm this is top of the head, like he
Speaker 2: only threw the ball on third down like thirty four
Speaker 2: times the whole seas or something. I looked at the
Speaker 2: stat and I'm like, oh no, that's not the NFL's
Speaker 2: that's like, well, i mean Alabama quarterbacks, Georgia quarterbacks historically,
Speaker 2: and that Michigan team when you hit eighteen pro players, Like,
Speaker 2: that's why I've defended Michael Pennix Danny with Michigan. I'm like,
Speaker 2: do you know how many good quarterbacks look bad? During
Speaker 2: that fifteen year Alabama Nick Saban defensive run like Cennicks
Speaker 2: was great. I watched him twice against Oregon, like he
Speaker 2: was exceptional. Michigan beat CJ. Stroud, So like, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give you Michigan, you were overwhelmed. I'm okay with that.
Speaker 5: The Pennix thing. I'm sure you guys talked about it
Speaker 5: a ton. It's obviously the biggest surprise pick of the
Speaker 5: draft so far. Brian Baldinger set up to me on
Speaker 5: the show. He was like, I hear Atlanta's taken a
Speaker 5: QB and that they love Penix. This was like ten
Speaker 5: days ago, and I thought it was the dumbest thing
Speaker 5: I had ever heard, because they gave Kirk Cousins one
Speaker 5: hundred million. The last three first round picks are skill
Speaker 5: position guys. The defense is pretty good, but go go
Speaker 5: try to win a division and get a piece for
Speaker 5: right now. But I wonder if they're saying we are good,
Speaker 5: Cousins is gonna make us better and so we're not
Speaker 5: going to be picking in the top ten for the
Speaker 5: next couple of years. So Michael Pennix will learn from
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins, and we'll have an elite quarterback prospect learn
Speaker 5: from Cousins, and then they'll never have to pick in
Speaker 5: the top ten again for the next decade.
Speaker 2: Denny. Basically, they're saying, we're gonna do a Green Bay Packer.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna this is who the guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because Penex I thought was ready to play ay
Speaker 5: one because of his age, but they're gonna make him
Speaker 5: sit for two years at least.
Speaker 2: My guess is he sits for a year ult.
Speaker 4: So well, what Dred million guaranteed your cousin.
Speaker 2: But I know, but they're not paying anybody offensively they've
Speaker 2: I mean, if that's why they went in free agency
Speaker 2: and can get a Rondelle Moore, they can go get
Speaker 2: players they don't have. I mean, Jarrett the defensive lineman's
Speaker 2: making money. They're not paying I mean, they had so
Speaker 2: much money for Kirk, They're not paying very many people.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that owner got so scarred after watching
Speaker 1: the quarterback play these last two years and says, under
Speaker 1: no circumstances, after dealing with Matt Ryan for a decade,
Speaker 1: are we ever dealing with this again? So not only
Speaker 1: was he behind it, I wonder if he kind of
Speaker 1: pushed for it, like just double down on this position
Speaker 1: because watching Desmond.
Speaker 5: Rittoral always have a succession plan, that's interesting, that's possible.
Speaker 4: I mean, that would be an ownership thing.
Speaker 1: And Rohie Morris I was telling Colin think two years
Speaker 1: ago had a front row seat. Stafford went down and
Speaker 1: the whole season got derailed. And now Cousins coming off
Speaker 1: an Achilles. Now it's an expensive Achilles, one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: But still, Danny, we said this Raheem was a head
Speaker 2: coach got fired, why quarterback? He goes to LA he
Speaker 2: becomes Sean mcvay's best friend. McVeigh is in his ear saying, dude,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get another job, but let me just tell you,
Speaker 2: we upgraded off a super Bowl quarterback. You cannot be
Speaker 2: good enough or deep enough at quarterback. And I do
Speaker 2: think Raheem is one of these. You know, these defensive
Speaker 2: coaches wear me out, But I do think Raheem I've
Speaker 2: been told. I mean, he is quick. He is also
Speaker 2: kind of a progressive. He's not one of these, Like
Speaker 2: you know, I watched Pittsburgh Steelers offense sometime. I'm like,
Speaker 2: can you guys run motion? I mean what it looks like.
Speaker 2: I'm watching the NFL network in the eighties. It's like
Speaker 2: there are these defensive coaches, Pete Carroll, I'm like, can
Speaker 2: you can you get an offensive line?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Pete McDermott, they couldn't get a run game for seven years.
Speaker 2: Raheem's not that guy. He's got a little bit. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think Demiko Ryans is the same. He's a
Speaker 2: defensive coach coming from an offensive culture, and I think
Speaker 2: it matters. I think Kyle Shanahan. Demiko comes out and says,
Speaker 2: I get the league, and I think Raheem Morris says,
Speaker 2: I get the league. I'm with McVeigh those guys. By
Speaker 2: the way, has anybody on mcvay's tree not work yet?
Speaker 4: Right? Which is?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's why I wanted the Bears to fire
Speaker 5: eber Fluse and hire someone better than Shane Waldron, although
Speaker 5: he is saying kind of he's on the tree as well.
Speaker 5: He's an old passing game coordinator.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 5: Offense is the way of the league, and obviously if
Speaker 5: you hit it quarterback, it's never a bad pick. It's
Speaker 5: just a shocking allocation of resources with to draft the
Speaker 5: old quarterback with the injuries in terms of a draft prospect,
Speaker 5: when you just signed the old quarterback coming off of
Speaker 5: the big injury like this is a very unconventional thing,
Speaker 5: at least with Jordan Love. It had worked for the
Speaker 5: franchise before and they thought Rogers was done, but then
Speaker 5: Rogers shocked him and won a couple of MVPs. Kirk
Speaker 5: Cousins hasn't played a game for the Falcons and they
Speaker 5: drafted his replacement.
Speaker 2: Okay, Danny Parkins has a book pipeline to the pros.
Speaker 2: It's outstanding. Also, Danny Parkins and Spiegel. It's Chicago. It's
Speaker 2: a big radio hit. I can't believe we got you.
Speaker 2: It's nine to seventeen. You have a family and young children, Hollin.
Speaker 5: I'm in Detroit. It's ten seventeen. I'm in Detroit to
Speaker 5: see the Bears get Caleb Williams and Rome with Tunde.
Speaker 5: I left my four year old and two year old
Speaker 5: to my wife in Chicago. I'm here for the party,
Speaker 5: my man, I can Colin.
Speaker 1: The Bears just won the twenty twenty seven Super Bowl tonight,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm texting.
Speaker 5: I'm texting Nick Wright, taunting him that there's no shame
Speaker 5: in Patrick Mahomes losing to Tom Brady and Caleb Williams
Speaker 5: and Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Okay, like, I'm here as long as you listen.
Speaker 5: If you guys want to get back to the twenties
Speaker 5: of the draft, I'm good to go.
Speaker 4: But my god, thank you for having me on. But yeah,
Speaker 4: to trust me.
Speaker 2: Okay, one more Danny, We're gonna keep you for one
Speaker 2: more pick because okay, this is great. And by the way,
Speaker 2: and I've said this before with Danny, he is so
Speaker 2: talented at what he does. And Nick Wright introduced me
Speaker 2: to him years ago, and he and Nick have this
Speaker 2: poker brain that they can do math very quickly in
Speaker 2: their head. And so I say this as we build
Speaker 2: out our gambling vertical at the volume, Danny's going to
Speaker 2: be a free agent. He's going to be like Danny's
Speaker 2: going to be, He's going to be Kirk Cousins is
Speaker 2: that he's a nice guy. And you know people are
Speaker 2: going to say, well, you know Danny Parkins, and then
Speaker 2: you're going to look up and he's going to have
Speaker 2: forty two touchdowns and seven picks, and he's going to
Speaker 2: go forty two and eight. How were you this year?
Speaker 2: By the way, with your picks?
Speaker 4: I started fifteen and oh against the spread on the
Speaker 4: air in the NFL documented true story started fifteen and
Speaker 4: oh against the spread on.
Speaker 2: The Jason McIntyre's on a heater on NBA. I think
Speaker 2: he's eleven and one.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: It's the greatest feeling in the world when you when
Speaker 5: you feel like you're in the zone. It's you feel
Speaker 5: so much smarter than you are. And I like, had
Speaker 5: our social media guy cut the whole thing together and
Speaker 5: put it out. I'm like, I'm not getting nearly enough
Speaker 5: attention for go at fifteen to oh, and then I
Speaker 5: promptly went zero and six.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jared Verse, I told you John Middlecoff Jared Verse
Speaker 2: to the Rams. So this is a position of need.
Speaker 2: And I had said this earlier. I was on the
Speaker 2: air today when Diana Russini said the Rams were thinking
Speaker 2: of moving up, and I said, it's got to be
Speaker 2: Brock Bauers or Jared Verse. I knew they liked Jared
Speaker 2: Verse a lot, so I watched them at Florida State. Now,
Speaker 2: the competition wasn't as good as the SEC, but I
Speaker 2: thought he was more dominant than when I was Dallas Turner.
Speaker 2: I that was my take. Now he wasn't late too
Speaker 2: late to the UCLA kid. That kid's just a best
Speaker 2: pass rusher on the draft. But this is a real
Speaker 2: position of needs. So now they have a second and
Speaker 2: two thirds, they're gonna they're gonna they want to running
Speaker 2: back a receiver in a defensive tackle. So Jared Verse
Speaker 2: I actually watched some of because Florida State was a
Speaker 2: pretty good football team. This kid starts day one opposite
Speaker 2: of young who they picked up last year from Tennessee.
Speaker 2: So the Rams had two third round picks last year.
Speaker 2: They both hit on the defensive line. They go back
Speaker 2: to the defensive line. Start with you. John thoughts on this.
Speaker 1: Well, they lost Aaron Donald, so you need to get
Speaker 1: some push in the pocket. The other thing is losing
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. I mean, they were right there with Detroit
Speaker 1: easily could have won the playoff game. Think who you
Speaker 1: gotta play? The Niners, Kyle Shanahan party, you got Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: Jared Goff and the Lions, Danny's Caleb Williams and the Bears,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, you know, Dak and Jalen Hurts. All those
Speaker 1: guys beside Jared Goff are relatively mobile, so this makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, this was a guy I would say halfway
Speaker 1: through the season when Florida State was right and high,
Speaker 1: was talked about it as a top fifteen pick. Now
Speaker 1: he ends up going what nineteen, So it's not too
Speaker 1: far off. But I do get a little nervous. And
Speaker 1: again maybe it's old school, like the transfer portal, whatever
Speaker 1: guy's transfer, but this guy did go from Miami to
Speaker 1: Florida State, or Texas to Florida State. He went from
Speaker 1: Albany's he's good. He's a power rusher. The other thing
Speaker 1: with power rushers, you know, it's just you can't throw
Speaker 1: every offensive tackle back into the quarterback. Speed usually translates,
Speaker 1: now you got power. There are good power rushers, but
Speaker 1: like that's his thing. He is not like getting around guys.
Speaker 1: So just so I'm keep an eye on now. I
Speaker 1: give the Rams credit that they hit on a lot
Speaker 1: of picks. And this is, you know, this Sean mcvay's
Speaker 1: first ever first round pick. He's been there since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty four that the first ever first round pick, well.
Speaker 4: Less the FM picks. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The uh, the thing with Verse that worried me a
Speaker 5: bit is what you just alluded to there at the end,
Speaker 5: Like the straight power rusher. And he's old. I think
Speaker 5: he's over two years older than Dallas Turner. Like he's
Speaker 5: two years older than than Latso and Turner. So like
Speaker 5: he he's kind of a man among boys, like pushing
Speaker 5: around nineteen year old sophomores.
Speaker 4: So you can't do that in the NFL, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Dan and John, this is the cutoff. I've been
Speaker 2: told nineteen. They people believe there were nineteen first round picks.
Speaker 2: So a good draft is eighteen. This is a really
Speaker 2: good draft seventeen eighteen, this is nineteen verse. I didn't think.
Speaker 2: I thought Mims would be closer to the borderline because
Speaker 2: I think once you get to the nineteen twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: for instance, Brian Thomas is available. Pittsburgh lost Deontay Johnson
Speaker 2: to Carolina. I think they're going to look, they've done
Speaker 2: a great job historically with wide receivers, and they got
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. Let's get him Pickens. He's got backs the
Speaker 2: tight end from Penn State. But Thomas is a classic
Speaker 2: example of a later first round pick where he doesn't
Speaker 2: have much of a route tree. He's just you know,
Speaker 2: he's classic LSU guy. It's like just insanely hyper athletic,
Speaker 2: not a lot to the route tree. He's an over
Speaker 2: the top guy, which Pittsburgh has done. I think Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: draft's receivers better than anybody in the league, and I
Speaker 2: think new I think green Bay finds good offensive lineman
Speaker 2: in middle un better than anybody in the league. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Brian Thomas as my guest here. But
Speaker 2: I do believe this is the cutoff spot in terms
Speaker 2: of now, these are players with flaws, holes.
Speaker 5: Or less positional value. So like teams will start drafting
Speaker 5: guys to their comfortable playing at guard. You know, Jackson powers.
Speaker 5: Johnson could be a center that goes here and it'll
Speaker 5: be good, but not but not a guy that you
Speaker 5: normally would say in the first round. I I think
Speaker 5: Xavier Worthy little predictions. I know, I'm not staying out
Speaker 5: with you guys. I think Xavier Worthy's a chief. Like
Speaker 5: that guy just screams Chief to me that they'll they
Speaker 5: would try to recreate the Tyreek Hill speed. I mean,
Speaker 5: if he's there, but I just they have a lot
Speaker 5: of needs. Protecting Mahomes is always good. Obviously they lost need.
Speaker 5: They could take a corner.
Speaker 1: But Pittsburgh right here, I mean they just gid Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson deep ball.
Speaker 5: And I mean if he goes in front of Thomas,
Speaker 5: it would surprise me a little bit just because he's like,
Speaker 5: I don't even know that he's one hundred, but his
Speaker 5: highlights are incredible. Yes, he will go over the middle
Speaker 5: like he is. He is a tough one sixty five
Speaker 5: and the dude set the combine record for the forty
Speaker 5: yard dash. I can't wait to see if he works
Speaker 5: in the NFL. He's fun, man, He's very fun. He's
Speaker 5: my favorite guy. Probably left on the board.
Speaker 1: The thing I can't get out of my head. We
Speaker 1: were talking about ten five minutes ago. When you sign
Speaker 1: a quarterback, especially an older quarterback who's not like Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers he names Kirk Cousins, his equity with the new
Speaker 1: fan base is gonna be pretty small. So coming off
Speaker 1: the injury, what if he starts slow, No one in
Speaker 1: Atlanta is gonna want just like throwing Pennix. That's where
Speaker 1: it could get weird, and it could get weird fast.
Speaker 1: If cousins and sometimes cousins. He was playing really good
Speaker 1: before he got injured, but he's had a lot of
Speaker 1: just rough couple weeks stretches. If it starts looking weird,
Speaker 1: he's not really. You know, he's maybe eighty percent rehab
Speaker 1: from the injury. He's never moved great. That situation could
Speaker 1: just get weird fast. I get big picture why they
Speaker 1: did it, But internally in their locker room, you know
Speaker 1: that's it's a risky move.
Speaker 4: It's a risky move.
Speaker 2: Here's something interesting. I think Pittsburgh goes and gets Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas but Miami and Philly are after Pittsburgh. They do
Speaker 2: not need wide receivers. Jacksonville does at twenty three, So
Speaker 2: I guarantee you Jacksonville is praying Pittsburgh doesn't take Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas because Miami and Pitts Philadelphia are stacked.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, Dallas at twenty four. Okay, you
Speaker 2: guys talk, I'm knocking down my eyes are there's no
Speaker 2: fuzz here with me, no alcohol. I got a two
Speaker 2: minute bathroom break please, yeah, yeah, yeah, Danny Parkins, John middlecough.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Do you think do you think.
Speaker 1: We're give me sitting here right now halfway through tonight?
Speaker 1: Give me over underwins right now? And the Bears for
Speaker 1: everyone to be happy, does they have to be above eight?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: The numbers said at eight and a half. They won
Speaker 5: seven last year. They've added Keenan Allen, Gerald Everett, DeAndre Swift,
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams, and Roma Dunza, and upgraded their offensive coaching staff.
Speaker 5: They definitely should hit that over.
Speaker 4: I man C. J.
Speaker 5: Stroud's rookie season last year showed what's possible, and.
Speaker 1: His team wasn't nearly as good as this Bears team.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. So and
Speaker 4: Caleb is so unique.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: We've never seen a player be so comfortable with the
Speaker 5: spotlight because of NIL, because of USC, because of He's
Speaker 5: been basically created in a lab for this moment. He said,
Speaker 5: he woke up today and he felt like it was
Speaker 5: a normal Bay He's getting picked be the number one
Speaker 5: pick in the draft, like he just there's something about
Speaker 5: him that just he's not going to be overwhelmed by
Speaker 5: the moment. So I expect him to be the offensive
Speaker 5: rookie of the year. I expect him to break at
Speaker 5: least one of the Bears records for futility. They've never
Speaker 5: had a four thousand yard passer, the only team in
Speaker 5: the NFL that the only team in the NFL.
Speaker 4: It's never already touchdown quarterback.
Speaker 5: But I mean, honestly, if one of those falls is
Speaker 5: a rookie, you know will make the argument that he's
Speaker 5: already the best quarterback in Bears franchise history.
Speaker 4: So I do think they hit the over at eight
Speaker 4: and a half.
Speaker 1: That's where I think the Bears are fascinating, is you
Speaker 1: compare him to the Texans. I think everyone in the
Speaker 1: league and I don't know where you stand. Would take
Speaker 1: Demko over Aberflus.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean yes, that's in Bobby's flow.
Speaker 1: It clearly has a chance to be like one of
Speaker 1: Shanahan you know minions, it becomes a star offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: So to me, the pressure Poles has had one of
Speaker 1: the great twelve month stretches in like GM history, and
Speaker 1: Caleb even if he had an up and down rookie year,
Speaker 1: it's like he's gonna get time. Obviously that the pressure
Speaker 1: on this coaching staff is pretty immense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Shane Waldron has about as big of a spotlight
Speaker 5: on him as any offensive coordinator could possibly have in
Speaker 5: the league. And he definitely is a more significant figure
Speaker 5: to the Bears than Matt Eberflus because what they can't
Speaker 5: do is do what they've done to the last two
Speaker 5: high pick Paris quarterbacks. John Fox was the head coach
Speaker 5: when they drafted Mitch Trubisky.
Speaker 4: DW.
Speaker 5: Loggins was the offensive coordinator. They fired him after his
Speaker 5: rookie year, so he had to have two systems in
Speaker 5: two years, justin fields drafted by Matt Naggi. Plays before
Speaker 5: they were they wanted to play him, fire him, then
Speaker 5: they hire Luke Getzi as the head coach, two systems
Speaker 5: in two years. There needs to be continuity. So if
Speaker 5: this season goes poorly and they blow it up and
Speaker 5: fire Matt eberflues, hopefully Caleb Williams is so good that
Speaker 5: it's like Justin Herbert who had to deal with you know,
Speaker 5: Anthony Lynn and then different coordinators and you know Staley
Speaker 5: and Kellen Moore and you know he he's been coach proof,
Speaker 5: but it wasted his rookie contract. So the Bears need
Speaker 5: continuity and they that that's like the big vulnerability for
Speaker 5: sure for where they're at right now.
Speaker 2: Danny, where are you in Detroit? It looks like you're
Speaker 2: in a studio where.
Speaker 5: I wish I was in a studio. No, I'm in
Speaker 5: a I'm in an upstairs room. Our radio company like
Speaker 5: rented out a Buffalo Wild Wings and there's like five
Speaker 5: radio stations here and I'm the only one that is
Speaker 5: currently on the air, So everyone else is around me
Speaker 5: kind of drinking and watching the draft and I'm getting
Speaker 5: these takes off with Bill coffin cow Herd.
Speaker 2: Do you have Do you have a cocktail or food
Speaker 2: to assist you in this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've had wings, and you know there's I've maybe
Speaker 5: had I maybe had a celebratory beer after the Odudon's pick.
Speaker 5: But I didn't know how you felt about that, so
Speaker 5: I wanted to you know, I wanted to keep a
Speaker 5: kosher But yeah, it's it's possible that there's a there's
Speaker 5: a beverage right here.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's right, Dane, Okay, absolutely all right.
Speaker 1: The Bears went from a couple of years ago having
Speaker 1: nobody offense to having Dj Moore, Keenan Allen, Roma Dunesay,
Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams offensive tackle.
Speaker 2: Steelers have taken yeah, an offensive tackle. The Steelers have
Speaker 2: taken an offensive tackle Fonto Well yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: listen their offensive line like Buffalo. I keep I like
Speaker 2: the players, and it never gells. So I'm like, at
Speaker 2: some point, what do you make of it? John Yours?
Speaker 2: You don't like the Louis to me?
Speaker 1: The Steelers, It's just I guess they have a little
Speaker 1: more upside now at the quarterback position, but they feel
Speaker 1: like the same thing year in year out, just different names.
Speaker 1: Nine ten wins and one and done in the playoffs, Like,
Speaker 1: what what is any difference this year and this the
Speaker 1: Atlanta situation on steroids. If Russell's boring dunking and dunking,
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna want to say justin field to get in there.
Speaker 1: And then the pressure of that, let's face it, he
Speaker 1: struggles throwing with the pockets unless Arthur Smith can rehabilitate
Speaker 1: him and six months. It feels like there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of hype around this franchise, but I don't
Speaker 1: expect to see much different, especially Burrows healthy, the Ravens,
Speaker 1: even the Browns. They're I mean, hell, they won eleven
Speaker 1: games this year, half of them with Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: So font No is the uh font No is the
Speaker 2: Husky by the way, as you know, yeah, I'm a
Speaker 2: Husky fan.
Speaker 1: He's I'm more guard than tackle.
Speaker 2: Well he was just he's a brawler. He's like the
Speaker 2: first steak.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My take was, I thought the Chargers if they moved down,
Speaker 2: if they moved down to like eleven with Minnesota, they
Speaker 2: would get the Oregon State kid. If they moved down further,
Speaker 2: I thought they would get this kid. He's classic, hardbought,
Speaker 2: just hands on you, brawler, not there's no finesse. He's
Speaker 2: just gonna beat you up. But for the record. That's
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin. That's very Pittsburgh Steeler in that division. That's
Speaker 2: what they that's what.
Speaker 1: You ordered David di Castro years ago, remember from Yeah, Sanford, Danford,
Speaker 1: guy like those players.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the Bears drafted a guy like that
Speaker 5: and they played him at right tackle in Darnell right
Speaker 5: last year and he was he was great all rookie
Speaker 5: right tackle. They drafted Broderick Jones last year in the
Speaker 5: first round, so this is back to back years with
Speaker 5: the first rounds pick at tackle, and Roderck Jones didn't
Speaker 5: start right away for them, So I it'll be interesting.
Speaker 5: I would assume that they think that Broderick's ready to
Speaker 5: go to left tackle and Fatano is going to be
Speaker 5: their right tackle right away. That would that would be
Speaker 5: my guest. But I guess he could slide inside the guard,
Speaker 5: but those are he can absolutely, yeah, he definitely can't.
Speaker 5: But I'm wonder what they're drafting him to do. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's those are just two premium resources on offensive linemen
Speaker 5: in each of the last two years.
Speaker 2: You know, for years and years, there was a real
Speaker 2: kind of knock that the Pac twelve, you know, was
Speaker 2: kind of a second tier conference. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels did play in it. You start looking,
Speaker 2: Panix goes eight, Roma, Dunze goes nine, h goes twelve. God,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of PAC twelve players this year. Indy
Speaker 2: gets one, uh, Sat Scott's just got one. This is
Speaker 2: this is one of the best. This is one oh
Speaker 2: the Saints at fourteen. You may have eight pack twelve players.
Speaker 2: We said this, John and I are a lot of
Speaker 2: packed twelve guys. You're more of a big ten guy.
Speaker 2: This was the best I'd seen the PAC twelve in
Speaker 2: twenty years.
Speaker 4: It was ty praise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why we joined It's why we joined forces.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, exactly, and honestly, big ten football can be unwatchable.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm a fan of good college football, so I
Speaker 5: will be a little fair weather because when I went
Speaker 5: to Syracuse, I saw ten wins in four seasons, uh
Speaker 5: in college football. So my wife went to Clemson, so
Speaker 5: I can tend to be a bit of a fair
Speaker 5: weather college football observer, Like I just want to watch
Speaker 5: the good games and the good teams. But Minnesota, this
Speaker 5: getting JJ McCarthy and Turner in this like they could
Speaker 5: have never dreamed.
Speaker 2: Of that it's crazy crazy could they.
Speaker 4: Could have never dreamed of that? That's a that's an
Speaker 4: unbelievable haul.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is Danny's book, Pipeline of the Pros. It's
Speaker 2: literally ten thirty five where he's at. We do appreciate
Speaker 2: him stopping by. You're awesome. We're going to talk very soon.
Speaker 2: You're kicking butt. Go have another libation. And uh, I
Speaker 2: really appreciate you stopping baugh. You didn't have to do this, and.
Speaker 5: I really I I wanted to, and I knew I
Speaker 5: was in Detroit and I felt like, you know, a
Speaker 5: Colin Cowherd John Middlkoff production needed a presence from the
Speaker 5: team that got the A plus quarterback wide receiver tandem.
Speaker 4: That's you know.
Speaker 5: Kayleb Williams says he wants eight Super Bowls. This is
Speaker 5: where this is the origin story of it happening.
Speaker 2: Okay, Miami went Remember last year they fell apart physically
Speaker 2: on the defensive front. They get Chop Robinson, who again
Speaker 2: a little bit of a flawed player, but tremendous upside.
Speaker 2: Chop Robinson to Miami not a shock. By the way.
Speaker 2: Now we're having a run on defensive players. You're gonna
Speaker 2: see the Clemson corner Wiggins here go pretty quick. I
Speaker 2: think so Chop Robinson in Miami. Miami was a really
Speaker 2: good team late and they literally lost like four to
Speaker 2: five defensive players up they fell. It was a cluster injury.
Speaker 2: So this makes sense.
Speaker 4: John, your thoughts, well, say this for James Franklin.
Speaker 1: He can't beat Ohio State or Michigan, but he sure
Speaker 1: can find NFL players high in the draft. You know,
Speaker 1: talent and recruiting is not James Franklin's issue. I mean
Speaker 1: he gets Blue Chippers. Honestly, It's why a lot of
Speaker 1: Penn State guys get mad at him because it's like,
Speaker 1: with all this talent we have, can we ever beat
Speaker 1: anyone that matters? Like no one cares about beating Rutgers
Speaker 1: in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: I will say, though, if you're gonna, I always had this.
Speaker 1: There's why he's gonna keep a job.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 2: Well, and the air thing is if you ever move
Speaker 2: off him, you know, Oklahoma's had like remember when they
Speaker 2: got what was the guy that missed John Blake? But
Speaker 2: John Blake was an unbelievable recruiter. Stoops took his players
Speaker 2: and won a Natty year two Ron Zook unbelievable recruiter leaves.
Speaker 2: I think it was urban Meyer came in and just crushed.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna have a coach who maybe isn't the
Speaker 2: great x's and o's guy, get a great recruiter because
Speaker 2: the next guy comes in, like I mean, So my
Speaker 2: takeaway is I think James has made Penn State relevant
Speaker 2: and I think that's what Penn State is. If they
Speaker 2: ever move off him, the next guy is going to
Speaker 2: get like sixteen NFL players for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could say it got easier with Harbaugh Leven.
Speaker 1: The problem is Oregon, Washington USC coming into the conference.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Miami, let's face it. I've said over and
Speaker 1: over is that I would not give to us some
Speaker 1: massive contract over the next couple of months. I would
Speaker 1: play this out if you can't win this division. Now,
Speaker 1: the Bills got worse, the Patriots are in shambles, and
Speaker 1: the Jets are a ticking time bomb of a couple
Speaker 1: ham strings. Then all of a sudden their season could
Speaker 1: get derailed. So to me, Miami, we've seen the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, same shit start asked, you know, Peter out.
Speaker 1: As it gets colder, you start playing the better teams.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, they weren't even close down the stretch
Speaker 1: playing the better quarterbacks. So I'm not that into them. Colin,
Speaker 1: I don't know where you stand on the Dolphins. Clearly
Speaker 1: Mike is a good offensive mine, but I can't buy
Speaker 1: into the quarterback and the defensive personnel. I mean, they
Speaker 1: just lost their best player to the Raiders.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Danny Parkins, I want to thank him again for
Speaker 2: coming on the show. What a blast. That was so
Speaker 2: great to get him to drop in with the greatest
Speaker 2: draft in league history by the show.
Speaker 1: What a moment for the Bears tonight. That's cool, It's great.
Speaker 2: I'm fired up.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I love Chicago. Yeah, I think Miami is one of
Speaker 2: those where there's a lot I like about them. Second,
Speaker 2: I love getting.
Speaker 1: Ballot text you back.
Speaker 2: He did, they did very well. They did well. Listen
Speaker 2: man again from about nineteen on Jared ver On, these
Speaker 2: are some flawed players that are really good versus a
Speaker 2: little older. He's a power rusher, Chop Robinson again. People
Speaker 2: see he's a bit of a one trick pony, really good.
Speaker 2: Troy Fonteau is more of a right tackle, a brawl er,
Speaker 2: no finesse to his game. Jacksonville is going to get
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas if he's available. I swear to god, they're
Speaker 2: going to get that wide receiver. What do you think
Speaker 2: Philadelphia does here?
Speaker 1: I think they go with whoever their top corner is
Speaker 1: on the board, whether that's that's going to be Clem's
Speaker 1: Alabama or alb Alabama. Yeah, I wonder if Wiggins is
Speaker 1: a little light. I mean, at one seventy five, the
Speaker 1: draft him, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I think you're right, they're gonna get the
Speaker 2: Alabama kid.
Speaker 1: You know, with all these tackles off the board, I
Speaker 1: think they're they're inclined to always go in the trenches,
Speaker 1: but they've invested a lot in the offensive line. They've
Speaker 1: drafted defensive lineman constantly the last couple of years. I
Speaker 1: think they go dB. This is where sometimes it pays.
Speaker 1: There was a lot like Howie loves making a move,
Speaker 1: but he didn't even have to move in. Whoever his
Speaker 1: top corner is on the board is going to be
Speaker 1: sitting there for him at twenty two. The other thing, Colin,
Speaker 1: sometimes in the twenties, you know, twenty two to twenty
Speaker 1: eight range, you get a guy with some flaws. But
Speaker 1: we've seen the Justin Jeffersons, the TJ. Watts, Like, you
Speaker 1: can get really impact players in this range. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes they're not the most hype guy coming into the draft,
Speaker 1: but you can get elite Pro Bowl guys right in
Speaker 1: this range. And if you do hit on them, guy
Speaker 1: at twenty three is a lot cheaper and the guy
Speaker 1: at seven on your books. So I mean you're only
Speaker 1: paying him a couple million dollars a year for four years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if Philly goes Terry and Arnold, who, by
Speaker 2: the way, was a ninety eight recruit out of one hundred.
Speaker 2: He was a five star corner. What you notice about
Speaker 2: him when you watched Bama play is the really great
Speaker 2: athletes have something and you can't teach it. The super
Speaker 2: twitchy athletes have a change of direction like you'll see
Speaker 2: these corners or those receivers like jet Jet quick. Big
Speaker 2: guys generally don't have it. Arnold, it's cartoonish his ability
Speaker 2: to get fooled and catch up. So he's the best
Speaker 2: corner in this draft. Wiggins is smaller. I think Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: I think this is a pretty honest move. You know,
Speaker 2: they signed their two receivers. They got Saquon Barkley. They've
Speaker 2: spent big money on offense, which, by the way, that's
Speaker 2: where that's where you should spend your money. In twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, I think they're gonna load up on defense.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing. Last couple of years, they've
Speaker 1: only drafted from like two programs, Alabama and Georgia. So
Speaker 1: do not expect, you know, some random school to come
Speaker 1: off the board here. They have not messed with that,
Speaker 1: and they feel good about that strategy, even if some
Speaker 1: of the guys are still a work in progress. They
Speaker 1: are going to lean the elite programs and let it fail.
Speaker 1: If they miss, so be it. But they're not gonna
Speaker 1: miss going with the Toledo, going with kind of a
Speaker 1: smaller Kansas State or whatever. They changed their philosophy a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, just Georgia and Alabama. Like honestly,
Speaker 1: they just stick in the SEC. They drafted half their
Speaker 1: rosters George and Alabama, and even AJ Brown who they
Speaker 1: traded for was an SEC guy who now they've signed
Speaker 1: a multiple contracts. So I would expect the Eagles to
Speaker 1: go Alabama here.
Speaker 2: So let's go twenty two to twenty three, twenty four
Speaker 2: Dallas and then I'll let you go. We started at
Speaker 2: six h four, at seven forty one, we thought we
Speaker 2: were gonna go for forty five minutes. But this is
Speaker 2: so much damn fun. I could do this all day.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna guess Terry and Arld of Philly, Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas to Jacksonville, we gotta stay for the Dallas pick.
Speaker 1: I would say of all the teams in the league,
Speaker 1: I mean, their coach is on the last year of
Speaker 1: a contract, and I get it's not college football, so
Speaker 1: recruiting that still doesn't happen in the pros. That's pretty weird.
Speaker 1: And I actually don't blame them for the way they've
Speaker 1: handled DAK, Like, why don't we just play this out?
Speaker 1: Let's see, why do I have to give you another
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars. Let's see you play
Speaker 1: well in the playoffs. But the McCarthy thing, that thing
Speaker 1: could get weird fast. You bring in Mike Zimmer, who
Speaker 1: you know. Say you this about Dan Quinn. You could
Speaker 1: argue Mike Zimmer might be a better defensive mine, but
Speaker 1: he's an angry curmudgeon who's been a head coach with
Speaker 1: some success. Jerry clearly likes him. Because he's from the
Speaker 1: heyday of the Cowboys. They've lost some talent, kind of pressure.
Speaker 1: I know he's had a good couple of years in
Speaker 1: the regular season, but their regular season is kind of
Speaker 1: irrelevant now. They've been rattling off twelve wins for three
Speaker 1: straight years and then they've been bounced in the first
Speaker 1: round two of the last three years at home. So
Speaker 1: I this Dallas thing now. Luckily, here's the thing you
Speaker 1: would say about Jerry in the operation. They do draft
Speaker 1: pretty well. I mean they have been they have drafted
Speaker 1: pretty well. They don't have a running back. I mean
Speaker 1: you see they're sniffing around Zeke's back in the building.
Speaker 1: I mean they're kind of desperate. And it's not a
Speaker 1: good running back draft. I don't know. I mean their
Speaker 1: offensive skill guys aren't as good as they were a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: I thought it would be a decent running back draft
Speaker 2: a year ago. But Blake Koram's not a first or
Speaker 2: a second round pick anymore. He's not the same running back.
Speaker 2: He's more of a third or fourth off that injury.
Speaker 2: He just does not have the pop I thought. I
Speaker 2: thought he was going to be like a high second
Speaker 2: when I was thanked him.
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite players.
Speaker 2: So here we go.
Speaker 1: Well, you've had the stat forever about Dak's success with
Speaker 1: running the ball right when he has to turn into
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. It fails every time.
Speaker 2: Every time repeat. There's literally a all right, Philly has
Speaker 2: made their pick. There's literally a line of demarcation. If
Speaker 2: he gets like one hundred yards rushing, Dak is an
Speaker 2: A minus quarterback. Under it, he's a C plus.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no Dak's made for Jim Harbaugh style
Speaker 1: of playing right, play defense, run the ball, try to
Speaker 1: throw it under thirty times, or Kyle Shanahan, Mike McCarthy's.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, what he likes to do is play
Speaker 1: like he did in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: throw the ball and not run it, even if he
Speaker 1: technically ran it more than Kellen Moore.
Speaker 2: The Eagles are taking Quinny and Mitchell the Toledos small
Speaker 2: school corner.
Speaker 1: That's shocking.
Speaker 2: People like him.
Speaker 1: He clearly was their top corner on the board Toledo.
Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those you know what's funny, John,
Speaker 2: There's two positions in football, running back and corner. You
Speaker 2: could either play it or you can't. I mean, Sauce
Speaker 2: Gardner Cincinnati was the best player in college football.
Speaker 4: I thought that year.
Speaker 2: It's there's certain positions that are sort of not bust proof,
Speaker 2: but high school to college, college du pro. If you
Speaker 2: can man up a guy in the corner, you're going
Speaker 2: to play the first day on campus. And I tend
Speaker 2: to think running back in corner, even if the situation
Speaker 2: wasn't perfect, Saquon Barkley was going to work everywhere when
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon worked and they were all line was shit
Speaker 2: his first two years in the league. Like I think corner,
Speaker 2: if you look at this kid from Toledo, I don't
Speaker 2: really worry too much in terms of school or competition
Speaker 2: with running back in corner. First of all, there's a
Speaker 2: twitchin a speed aspect. The clock tells you if they
Speaker 2: can play, and I think this kid will end up
Speaker 2: being well. First of all, he's a starter day one
Speaker 2: for this team. They're a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1: I gotta do some more research on him because just
Speaker 1: looking at the first twenty two picks and listen, I
Speaker 1: got my football start at Fresno State, where we had
Speaker 1: a lot of first rounders. Those days are kind of
Speaker 1: over with the transfer portal because the moment you become
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick as a freshman or sophomore,
Speaker 1: these teams come after you. Honestly, the one weird team
Speaker 1: on here before Toledo was University in North Carolina and
Speaker 1: Nick Saban tried to give Drake May five million dollars
Speaker 1: to come play at Alabama. I mean Colin this this
Speaker 1: first round, USC LSU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, LSU, Bama, Washington, Washington,
Speaker 1: Penn State, Oregon, UGA, you know, UCLA, Texas, Bama. It's
Speaker 1: I think get ready for this moving forward because all
Speaker 1: these Power five programs at the high end, they the
Speaker 1: moment you become a high end player as a sophomore,
Speaker 1: they get you on that phone and they say, transferred
Speaker 1: to my program. I'll give you five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And these small schools can't keep the player. So this
Speaker 1: Toledo got. I just don't think we're gonna see much
Speaker 1: of that, and honestly, we'll probably only see it once tonight.
Speaker 1: If Brian Thomas the next guy off the board, that's LSU. Again.
Speaker 1: It's just high end programs were used to we'd have
Speaker 1: some random programs mixed in but now with the tree
Speaker 1: Answer portal and nil at the high end of the draft, man,
Speaker 1: these big programs just have bigger pocketbooks.
Speaker 2: Well, this kid's got almost a forty inch vertical, so
Speaker 2: he's a prospect.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it's kind of weird seeing that I
Speaker 1: got to do some digging, like how he didn't get
Speaker 1: some more phone calls. Maybe he was offered, he stayed loyal,
Speaker 1: I mean not everyone's just jumping ship.
Speaker 2: But well, and the other thing is, again, cornerbacks are interesting.
Speaker 2: So I had talked I think it was Notre Dame
Speaker 2: or somebody played Notre Dame, played Cincinnati and Sauce Gardener.
Speaker 2: This is fuzzy, but like Notre Dame. Basically a source
Speaker 2: told me they just didn't want to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: They did, remember, they did like a home and home
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: And people said, like Brian Kelly at the time, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're just not I think it was Brian Kelly. Was
Speaker 2: it two years ago, Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And Brian's like this, we're not going to throw it
Speaker 2: his side of the ball. It's just we're not going
Speaker 2: to do it. This kid doesn't have prodigious numbers. I
Speaker 2: think he only had a couple of picks. But nobody
Speaker 2: in Toledo's conference is throwing the ball to Quinn and
Speaker 2: Mitchell's side of the ball. So again, cornerback and running back,
Speaker 2: especially corner sometimes you know, teams just don't throw to
Speaker 2: your side of the ball. To be a small school
Speaker 2: first round cornerback who didn't look at tape and go,
Speaker 2: We're going to the other side of the field. So
Speaker 2: don't get too alarmed if you look at his numbers
Speaker 2: and they don't jump off. This is not you know,
Speaker 2: this is not the sec where sometimes you just you
Speaker 2: have to throw at all corners because they're all NFL guys.
Speaker 1: Well, based on roster alone, the Eagles have no excuse assume,
Speaker 1: you know, assuming that they stay relatively healthy, did not
Speaker 1: win the division, right, the Giants, they're not very good.
Speaker 1: Washington's young. The Cowboys shouldn't have won the division last year,
Speaker 1: but the Eagles fell apart. Now, the Eagles are spending
Speaker 1: a lot of money on Fangio and Kellen Moore, and
Speaker 1: there's tangible pressure this year on Jalen Right, he felt
Speaker 1: like he took it a little step back last year.
Speaker 1: It's like who Jacks do.
Speaker 2: Look at this? In twenty twenty one, Mitchell for Toledo
Speaker 2: played Notre Dame as a corner. He had a sack,
Speaker 2: a forced fumble, two fumble recoveries. It's like a corner
Speaker 2: so against good competition. Well, that's like a defensive end.
Speaker 1: When you are a smaller school guy and you have
Speaker 1: those moments against the big programs like saused against Notre
Speaker 1: Dame or this guy when he plays remember Khalil Mack
Speaker 1: at Buffalo played Ohio State and he had three sacks.
Speaker 1: It's like that that that changes your trajectory as a
Speaker 1: prospect because it's hard to evaluate half your games playing
Speaker 1: playing me and you you know, but when you get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to play a top ten, top fifteen program
Speaker 1: as a prospect a smaller school, you can kind of
Speaker 1: change the hype on your own draft trajectory.
Speaker 2: So Brian Thomas, Jacksonville twenty three, that's my hunch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would I would agree?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I mean they lost Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys go wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I see, I could see Dallas trading up one spot
Speaker 2: to who Jacksonville. Brian Thomas just have to Brian Thomas
Speaker 2: go to Jacksonville. We predicted it right, We predicted it
Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes ago. Brian Thomas, wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I think if you're Dallas, you gotta feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about your defense. You got multiple dbs who are impact players.
Speaker 1: You got highly paid guys in your defensive line. All
Speaker 1: the offense, most of the top offensive linemen are off
Speaker 1: the board. I don't know how you don't go skill
Speaker 1: guy here. I mean, besides Cede Lamb, who do you
Speaker 1: feel great about? I guess that Ferguson's a solid tight end,
Speaker 1: but you have no really solid now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think wide receivers the play here. Who's the
Speaker 2: best wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Well, that's probably up for debate. You know a lot
Speaker 1: of people like the Georgia mcconkee, Kid we Worthy weighs
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten pounds. Worthy Worthy Dak do not
Speaker 1: feel like a fit, do they?
Speaker 2: No, Dak's not a terribly accurate thrower and Worthy is tiny.
Speaker 2: You know, it'd be different if you could get like,
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas is a big target, Roma Dunze is a
Speaker 2: big target, Harrison. You can't give me a small target
Speaker 2: with an inaccurate quarterback. You know, if you're gonna have
Speaker 2: a smaller target. Give me a Matt Stafford, Give me
Speaker 2: an Aaron Rodgers. Give me a guy who's a pinpoint thrower, Mahomes,
Speaker 2: a guy that's a little wild. I mean, I just
Speaker 2: don't think Dak's ever been an elite, a plus arm guy.
Speaker 2: I could see Dallas, I'll be honest with you. I
Speaker 2: could see Dallas trading out of this thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could too. I could too. And maybe one
Speaker 1: of those teams. I mean, is this a spot where
Speaker 1: could Kansas City come up? You know, I don't worthy.
Speaker 1: I think has some question marks off the field. Andy.
Speaker 1: They just had that situation with Rice, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if they want to bring multiple question marks
Speaker 1: into that wide receiver room. It's one thing to have one,
Speaker 1: but if you got two of your six guys.
Speaker 2: All right, So, folks, we've been doing this all night.
Speaker 2: This is our final pick for John.
Speaker 1: And I take a shocker of the night.
Speaker 2: Panis Panix at eight. The biggest shocker. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of it's been predictable. I think the fact that
Speaker 2: no defensive players went until the fifteenth pick is historically shocking.
Speaker 2: You know, John, the player that I worry about a
Speaker 2: Marius Mims at Cincinnati is one of those where I'm
Speaker 2: a little gun shy, guy's got no starts that worries me.
Speaker 2: In a division with excellent pass rushes that worries me.
Speaker 2: That's a good defensive division.
Speaker 1: I'd say that the pick that I just and I
Speaker 1: know they had to do it. But Drake May first
Speaker 1: time head coach, who's young, who's been coaching for five years,
Speaker 1: who was a player seven years ago, who has all
Speaker 1: this negativity surrounding the organization, that's a tough spot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about some of these spots. Caleb's in a
Speaker 1: great spot, JJ's in a great spot. Bo Nicks gets
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Drake May gets Jerrod Mayow, Jonathan Kraft and
Speaker 1: no one around him. Gronkowski and Edelman ain't walking through
Speaker 1: that door.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's it is Lean I mean, it's Devonte Parker,
Speaker 2: It's it's is Juju Smiths Schuster.
Speaker 1: Still the Yeah, the conference is good. Think of all
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in that conference. That's tough. Now he technically
Speaker 1: they got Jacoby Brissette. He doesn't have to start right away,
Speaker 1: but you go one in five, who the hell is
Speaker 1: gonna want to watch Jakobe Brissette. You know, so this
Speaker 1: guy is gonna get thrown to the fire. It always happens,
Speaker 1: and he just like.
Speaker 2: New England's New England's O lines. Okay, so my guess
Speaker 2: is New England goes heavy tight end receiver back because
Speaker 2: they went they went big interior. They went three guards
Speaker 2: last year, so the interior O line is good.
Speaker 1: I got another one, which again the guy is a
Speaker 1: fantastic prospect. But Malik Neighbors of the Giants, they have
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, who's awful coming off in a cl and
Speaker 1: de vido. I mean, what that's not gonna work. I
Speaker 1: mean when they drafted Odell Beckham, you know Eli could
Speaker 1: still play and Eli always had a big arm. I mean,
Speaker 1: Neighbors is a down the field, stretched the field speak
Speaker 1: guy Daniel Owns is like a poor man's Alex Smith
Speaker 1: on his best day. It's dunkin and duncan so is.
Speaker 1: They don't have a quarterbacks what. This guy's a good player.
Speaker 1: I get why they drafted him, but the fit for
Speaker 1: the team, I don't know if that's really helping you
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: I mean, it can't hurt. He's he's very much a
Speaker 2: y can't hurt God, there's just so many good players.
Speaker 1: There was that run of once the Colts went with
Speaker 1: Law two, the next top d lineman basically went in
Speaker 1: the next four picks Murphy Turner than Mims, than Verse.
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things where they say you
Speaker 1: wait on the run, and then once the run starts,
Speaker 1: you know you got to get involved. Kind of why
Speaker 1: Minnesota trade it up right away because they could see
Speaker 1: it coming.
Speaker 2: What I'm really fascinated to watch is bo Nix in
Speaker 2: Denver because I literally think he went to the perfect coach.
Speaker 2: I think JJ McCarthy and Bo Nicks have limitations. They
Speaker 2: literally landed in the perfect spot. Bo Nicks is gonna
Speaker 2: play immediately at sixty one college starts. They're not f around.
Speaker 2: They're gonna play Bow next. They're not gonna wait. Bo's
Speaker 2: I had Bow on my show for about twenty minutes,
Speaker 2: talk to him ten minutes off the air before he
Speaker 2: came on and after. Bow's really smart. Bo's dad was
Speaker 2: a coach. He was a five star. Remember he was
Speaker 2: a five star Southern recruit. People forget this Bowl was.
Speaker 1: Remember his first start was against Oregon. Wasn't that game
Speaker 1: against Herbert that was his first ever start. Remember that,
Speaker 1: like twenty nineteen or twenty I do, And it was
Speaker 1: a fantastic game. Came right down the freshman, wasn't he.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think he played really well in that game. Then
Speaker 1: it all kind of was downhill after that.
Speaker 2: True fresh So you was like eighteen years old, Yes,
Speaker 2: he was a freshman. I remember that game and Auburn
Speaker 2: won late and if I recall, bo had a very
Speaker 2: good late drive to win the game for Auburn over Oregon.
Speaker 2: I remember that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not listen. I think he's overdrafted for the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I completely understand the fit with Sean Payton. And
Speaker 1: let's face it, you talk about this all the time
Speaker 1: anyone that fall football does. Where you go and who
Speaker 1: you fit with. You put Brock Purty with girod Mayo,
Speaker 1: No one's talking about Brock party. You put Brock Purty
Speaker 1: with with Kyle Shanahan. Mats Stafford was good no matter
Speaker 1: where he got. You get him to Sean McVay, it's
Speaker 1: lights out right, so you get the hot Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: probably would have been Okay, he gets with Andy Reid
Speaker 1: all time great. So bow Nicks definitely has a chance.
Speaker 1: Remember Sean tried to do that pivot with Taysom, but
Speaker 1: Taysom couldn't throw the ball, but he wanted that athletic guy.
Speaker 1: Now he gets a quarterback that can move like this
Speaker 1: guy can throw Taysom couldn't.
Speaker 2: Really, Hey, Teddy Bridgewater went five and zero backing up Breeze.
Speaker 2: Teddy is closer to a bon Nix in terms of
Speaker 2: size arm strength. So, I mean Peyton's career is Breeze
Speaker 2: Teddy Bridgewater. Bone Nicks is the fit. I was told
Speaker 2: very early that he did prefer Bonnicks to Michael Pennox.
Speaker 2: I was told that very early in the process.
Speaker 1: It's his offense more for sure, He's not.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, listen, Shanahan, like Kirk Cousins, these these
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, they've got fits. I mean,
Speaker 2: like Kyle's very much tied to his play sheet. And
Speaker 2: by the way, so is Sean Payton, so is Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2: Now McVeigh isn't as much, Lufleur isn't as much. But
Speaker 2: some of these offensive guys have a play sheet. And
Speaker 2: that's why this year Caleb with the Battle Line did
Speaker 2: a lot of ad limbings out of Lincoln Riley's playshet
Speaker 2: and so us. He has this kid Miller Moss. He's
Speaker 2: gonna follow the sheet, which I think Lincoln's gonna like.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Kevin O'Connell is really more of a
Speaker 1: disciple the way he thinks about football, more closer to
Speaker 1: Kyle and Sean than he than Sean Payton, than Sean McVay,
Speaker 1: who kind of wants Jean mcvay's a little closer to
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, you know, the way he wants to coach
Speaker 1: and throw it. Its just I'll tell you where to
Speaker 1: throw it. You get rid of the ball, the guy
Speaker 1: will be open. If he's not, go quick to the
Speaker 1: other guy.
Speaker 4: If not, just get rid.
Speaker 1: Of the ball and we'll just call another play. So
Speaker 1: I would imagine Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, the JJ McCarthy bo Knicks, just play under control,
Speaker 1: high completion percentage and do what I tell you, and
Speaker 1: a smart, high character guy's type guys they like. And
Speaker 1: again it's depending on what Andy Reid wants to go deep, right,
Speaker 1: that's historically what he likes to do, So he likes
Speaker 1: a certain type quarterback. Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick or Patrick
Speaker 1: mahomes with a big arm. What makes him so special
Speaker 1: is he can pivot, no problem. You give him Alex Smith,
Speaker 1: he can win eleven games. Most guys kind of struggle
Speaker 1: once they find the middle ground.
Speaker 2: All right, one more pick. We will have been on
Speaker 2: officially two hours. You know what, man, it's been great.
Speaker 6: This thing is.
Speaker 1: What's your guess on how many millions if people watched
Speaker 1: the first hour of this thing with these quarterbacks?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think I think this will be the most
Speaker 2: watch draft easily. And my guess is it will beat
Speaker 2: the NBA games tonight signific destroy them, Yeah, hammer them.
Speaker 2: My guess. Last year had eleven million viewers between the
Speaker 2: two networks. I thought it was my guess it'll be
Speaker 2: closer to thirteen. Now again, Lakers do have an AUDI.
Speaker 2: I mean New York and LA are playing NBA games.
Speaker 2: That doesn't.
Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be the first hour because you Chicago
Speaker 1: dialed in Washington and these are massive markets, right Boston,
Speaker 1: The Giants all in the top. I've at the top
Speaker 1: six like that first forty five minutes of the draft.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was one.
Speaker 2: It peaked all right, Dallas is traded the pick. But dude,
Speaker 2: we have been freaking on it tonight. We predicted Dallas
Speaker 2: would trade the pick. And so the Cowboys traded to
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions. And so how many did they drop?
Speaker 2: Four spots? Three spots?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lions would be picking twenty nine.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they already made their selection. So let's just
Speaker 2: stick around for what Detroit drafts.
Speaker 1: So we You know one thing that worked when I
Speaker 1: was with the Eagles my first year, I got sent
Speaker 1: to Radio City Music Hall and it was cool. You
Speaker 1: remember when the draft was there forever, This traveling circus
Speaker 1: thing they got going feels like a bigger event, doesn't
Speaker 1: it with all these people. I mean, it's it's it
Speaker 1: pops on television.
Speaker 2: They had one hundred fifty thousand people at this two
Speaker 2: hours before. That's what it did. I mean, that doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense. That's like the Obama speech in Chicago.
Speaker 1: It's like this this move by the by the NFL
Speaker 1: League office. Rogers, Ben Genius, it all right.
Speaker 2: Detroit Tarrian Arnold cornerback, absolute need. Jeff Acodo a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago into Ohio State was a kind of
Speaker 2: a bust. So not a surprise at all. They go
Speaker 2: corner again. The outside the Amarus mimes Cincinnati little concerning
Speaker 2: for me. It's a bit of a risk. He didn't
Speaker 2: play much outside of that kind of predictable, I mean,
Speaker 2: so let's go back and review. Michael Pennox to Atlanta
Speaker 2: is the shock of the draft?
Speaker 1: It's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We were talking bo Nick's Denver a month ago that
Speaker 2: that maybe a reach.
Speaker 1: For six months. JJ McCarthy to Minnesota. I think the
Speaker 1: only thing shocking there is that Minnesota didn't have to
Speaker 1: trade too far up and they ended up coming out
Speaker 1: of this draft with both their picks and they got
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, Dallas Turner, they got They gotta feel pretty
Speaker 1: good about that.
Speaker 2: This has been fun, Buddy.
Speaker 1: Enjoyed it. How do you beat the first round of
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? This is this is an adult video,
Speaker 2: adult entertainment for.
Speaker 1: John and I. This is how it really is.
Speaker 2: The only thing missing was a cocktail. Jesus, all right,
Speaker 2: I'll be on FS one tomorrow, John middlecoff three and out, Buddy,
Speaker 2: this is we were gonna go forty minutes. We're two
Speaker 2: hours in.
Speaker 1: If we got a second and third round tomorrow, Colin
Speaker 1: so uh all the podcasts out Friday Night.
Speaker 2: See you, buddy.
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