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Speaker 1: Him. Welcome back, Carol Markowitz show on iHeartRadio. Clay Travis,

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Speaker 1: he of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network

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Speaker 1: that this show is on, highlighted a new study about happiness,

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Speaker 1: and he pointed out that the happiness index has hit

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Speaker 1: an all time low and that that number is largely

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Speaker 1: driven by young people.

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Speaker 2: The United States overall happiness index, to the extent that

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Speaker 2: they track this hit a all time low, and it's

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Speaker 2: being driven by people under the age of thirty. And

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Speaker 2: I would bet that it's women under the age of

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Speaker 2: thirty overwhelmingly who are unhappy. And I think it's hard

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Speaker 2: not to believe at this point that all of this

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Speaker 2: isn't directly connected to social media. I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: go look at the charts overall mental health rates. Now

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Speaker 2: certainly COVID didn't help, but overall mental health rates just

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Speaker 2: collapsed about twenty fourteen when social media became prevalent in

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Speaker 2: everybody's lives. Yeah, and I think we're going to find

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Speaker 2: out that this is like the nicotine or cigarettes of

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Speaker 2: our generation, where we allowed these phones and these social

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Speaker 2: media apps, particularly for young people, to really kind of

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Speaker 2: lead us astray in terms of our life's pursuit.

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Speaker 1: Now, he's right that it's the phones. But people who

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Speaker 1: have been listening to the show for a while know

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Speaker 1: what I'm going to challenge here. It's not the social media.

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Speaker 1: There is no social media anymore.

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Speaker 3: It used to be.

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Speaker 1: That teenagers would get depressed because their friends would share

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Speaker 1: friends living amazing lives, filtered pictures, great vacations, perfect babies,

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Speaker 1: all of that. That's just not what's happening on the

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Speaker 1: internet anymore. That's not what the kids are watching. We're

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Speaker 1: just all watching TV all the time. It might not

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Speaker 1: be half hour or hour episodes, but these young people

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Speaker 1: are just scrolling through hours of videos. And I said

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have a social life, and I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'd recognize depression if I told you someone

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Speaker 1: watches ten hours of TV a day. But because they

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Speaker 1: do it in bite size, you know, pieces, and they

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Speaker 1: carry it around with them on their phone, we don't

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Speaker 1: see how bad it is. Social media has nothing social

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Speaker 1: about it. And I think we need to see exactly

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Speaker 1: what the problem is in order to fix it. We

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Speaker 1: have to think of it like a little TV we

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Speaker 1: carry around. We have to understand how damaging it is

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Speaker 1: an awkward interaction, you just turned your television on. When

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Speaker 1: you're out, you don't see people taking selfies with their

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Speaker 1: friends anymore. Instead, you still might see like a full

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Speaker 1: different angles. She's a content creator, fine, but there's nothing

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Speaker 1: social about that. And look at least her content is

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Speaker 1: a break from the videos. Instagram, by the way, now

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Speaker 1: few of them do that. It would be something else

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Speaker 1: entirely if young people were still posting pictures of their

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Speaker 1: lunches or their parties or whatever. But they're not. They're

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Speaker 1: happiness levels will increase until we solve that. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Selena Zito. Selena is a Washington Examiner

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Speaker 1: reporter and author of the upcoming book Butler. Hi, Selena

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Speaker 1: is so nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 7: Hi there, how are you?

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Speaker 1: We were just talking offline about how insane it is

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Speaker 1: that we've never met in real life. But I've been

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Speaker 1: a Selena Zito fan like much of the country for

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Speaker 1: a long long time now, and I just think you're

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Speaker 1: fantastic and everything you do is like full of joy

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Speaker 1: and happiness and you're wonderful. Thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 7: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 8: I'm everybody's grandma. No people really, actually everybody's bestie. It's

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Speaker 8: basically the food. Then they maybe read me, but basically

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Speaker 3: I have to tell your listeners though, that I thought

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Speaker 3: you gave me a homework assignment and I obeyed because

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Speaker 7: I don't know how you phrased Ita.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, here are the questions I ask all

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Speaker 1: my guests, and my listeners will know that a lot

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Speaker 1: of the time, the guests won't read the emails, and

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Speaker 1: you'll be able to tell because they'll just be deer

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Speaker 1: in headlights when I ask them, kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: a big question like what do you worry about? And

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Speaker 1: they're like what where did this come from? But Selena

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Speaker 1: sent me back the answers, which was the cutest thing ever.

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Speaker 1: I said, no, no, we're going to talk about it

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Speaker 1: on the show and she said, oh, I thought you

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Speaker 1: gave me a homework assignment, which she then did. She

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Speaker 3: It was late though, Like if it was true homework,

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Speaker 3: I would have answered it that night, but in my

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Speaker 7: Progression, I sent it to you the night before.

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Speaker 1: It was great. I did not read your answers because

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Speaker 1: I want to be surprised.

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Speaker 7: I only even remember them.

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Speaker 1: So the questions will be brand new either way, right,

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Speaker 1: brand new? So how did you get into this world?

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Speaker 1: I know a little bit about your story, but you

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Speaker 1: You were doing this crazy thing where you went out

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Speaker 1: they thought, and that was really groundbreaking. So tell me,

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Speaker 8: So I got into this accidentally and sort of the

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Speaker 8: old fashioned way, the way journalists used to be years ago,

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Speaker 8: and most of them didn't have college degrees, but they

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Speaker 3: All I had. And I also had experiences as a hairdresser,

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Speaker 3: worked for the local newspaper, the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. But

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Speaker 3: I don't know what he saw in me, but he

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Speaker 3: I was there for twenty years. I did this for

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Speaker 3: twenty years, covering local and national politics and culture, and

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Speaker 3: I learned pretty quickly. I think it was the John

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Speaker 3: I can't remember. I knew very quickly that I did

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Speaker 7: Didn't not belong there. I remember calling it. It happened.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, I can't remember. I'm old.

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Speaker 8: I just remember calling my boss from a pay phone

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Speaker 3: All I am doing is spending time with other reporters,

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Speaker 7: You don't get to talk to people. So I'm like,

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Speaker 3: And from that moment on, I only drove to whatever

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Speaker 8: And I used to fly to events, but flying then

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Speaker 3: And so I just started driving. So when I interviewed

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Speaker 1: That is so amazing. I no, I did not know

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Speaker 1: So you're such a champion for Pennsylvania. You clearly love

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're We don't stop working until the second four

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Speaker 3: I can. It was a little bit funny. It's funnier now.

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Speaker 3: It was a little bit funny in the moment. And

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Speaker 3: hear him like they want him to get up and

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Speaker 3: want me to go, but he's like basically saying, I

439
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Speaker 3: need to put my damn shoes on right like his

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Speaker 3: someone had knocked his shoes off. And and I hear

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Speaker 3: one agent CI like okay, all right, like okay, put

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Speaker 3: your shoes.

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Speaker 1: On right, and they get his shoes off. That's so weird.

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Speaker 3: And then he comes off the stage. He goes right

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Speaker 3: past me. There is an agent that holds a gun

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Speaker 3: right in our heads as he's going past. Because they

447
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: still don't know what they don't know. And so I

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00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 3: did not go to Bedminster that day, no, obviously. But

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Speaker 3: he calls me the next morning, bright and early, and

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Speaker 3: before I could say hello, like I didn't even get

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Speaker 3: my hello out, He's like, are you okay? Is Shannon

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Speaker 3: and Mike okay?

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Speaker 7: I'm like and I felt like.

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Speaker 3: Saying, are you freaking kidding me? You do you've just

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Speaker 3: been shot?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe focus on yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. We would ended up talking, I believe seven different

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Speaker 3: times that day. You called me back a lot of

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Speaker 3: times because he kept getting interrupted, obviously obviously, but also

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Speaker 3: just talking about faith, about him making that decision. Like

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Speaker 3: all of that's detailed. All the details of those conversations

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Speaker 3: are in the book.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to read this because he seems a

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Speaker 1: changed person after.

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Speaker 3: She's probably changed her Yeah, as someone that has interviewed

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Speaker 3: him nineteen times, he has definitely a changed hersent. And

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Speaker 3: there's really some poignant moments with him and I after

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Speaker 3: that at different places. They're really powerful. But the book

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Speaker 3: also really gets into like everybody was reading things in

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Speaker 3: other newspapers and thinking one thing might happen, and I

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Speaker 3: kept writing notes, not you'll need to come to Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: It was clear to me that that she stood no chance.

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Speaker 3: Biden definitely didn't stand a chance. Probably, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: will say this unequivocally, would have lost worse than she did. Really,

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Speaker 3: it was clear to me that she was not gonna win.

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Speaker 3: She had no cultural connection to the voters here and.

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Speaker 1: That way where any kind of connection, and I think

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Speaker 1: to any voters she was impossible to really get through to. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, and and you'll find out in the book the

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Speaker 3: first the forward in the book, not the foreword, the

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Speaker 3: first chapter, you'll find out that there was another president

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Speaker 3: that was shot in Butler and it is really intense

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Speaker 3: and that's really really.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, shocking. I can't wait to read it. Butler, And

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Speaker 1: when does it come out again? That comes out of

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Speaker 1: July eighth, but pre order pre order pre orders are important,

487
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Speaker 1: is like this, It's the main thing everybody pre orders

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Speaker 1: Selena's book. It's going to be amazing. You could tell

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Speaker 1: by the story she just told how incredible a storyteller

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Speaker 1: she is. And I just can't wait to read it.

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Speaker 1: So a question that I ask all of my guests

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Speaker 1: is which what do you worry about?

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Speaker 3: So, as I said in my homework sign, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: tend not to work.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, I mean it doesn't mean Italian doesn't worry.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's why you don't worry because it has no power.

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Speaker 3: Worry has absolutely no power. It drains you. It can't

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Speaker 3: do Worry can do nothing to change circumstances. It is

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Speaker 3: just a waste of energy. If you want to, if

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Speaker 3: you have something that's really sort of concerning you, or

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00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: a life struggle that you're trying to work your way through,

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Speaker 3: or even if it's just an issue with your child

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Speaker 3: or your parents or your family or your career, the

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00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: best thing to do is go outside and take a walk.

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Speaker 3: And if faith is important to you, prayer is something

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Speaker 3: that has often gotten me through. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: ever get everything I ask for when I pray, I

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00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: probably only get a tense, But prayer is really really

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Speaker 3: a great way way or being reflective is a great

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Speaker 3: way to uplift that stress, and it helps you understand

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Speaker 3: that there are some things you just don't have control over,

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Speaker 3: and it helps you think about better ways to manage it.

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Speaker 1: What advice would you give your sixteen year old self?

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Speaker 1: What does sixteen year old Selena need to know?

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Speaker 3: All the things you're going to fail at, don't worry

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Speaker 3: about it. They end up being the things that make

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Speaker 3: you successful.

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Speaker 1: What have you failed at?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I've admired so many times.

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Speaker 1: Really, just I see you as like this beloved writer.

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Speaker 1: Like I was thinking about this before our interview, Like

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Speaker 1: the right is very fractured, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: like groups or clicks or whatever, and you just kind

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Speaker 1: of transcend all of that. And so it's surprising to

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Speaker 1: me that you failed at anything.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's because I didn't belong there.

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Speaker 6: You have.

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Speaker 3: We have to recogniz eyes. Failures aren't about not trying

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Speaker 3: hard enough. Failures about it not being a good fit.

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Speaker 3: It's sort of like going on a date with the

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Speaker 3: eurosay your woman and you meet the perfect guy, right,

533
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Speaker 3: and you like, you know, you get along and on

534
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: paper he's great on paper, You're great, but it doesn't

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00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 3: work out like And it's not because either were bad.

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00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: It's because it wasn't a good fit. He's in corporate

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00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: America for two jobs, and I was terrible at it.

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00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: And it was not nothing to do with not working

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Speaker 3: really hard, right, I was just really, really bad. But

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Speaker 3: where I learned so much, and I think what makes

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Speaker 3: me a good writer is observation skills. I have always

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Speaker 3: been a people watcher and it has taught me so much.

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Speaker 3: But also being a waitress, being a hairdresser, being a

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Speaker 3: hockey moms, soccer mom, football mom, my kids played every

545
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: cross mom, my kids played every sport imaginable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one of those. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also understanding place in the world where you are

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00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: and where you're from. A respect for a place, no

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00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: matter where you no matter where you find yourself, helps

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Speaker 3: you become a better writer.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love everything you do. She's so fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Selena Zito, leave us here with your best tip for

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Speaker 1: my listeners on how they can improve their lives. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go one of the three questions. Selena,

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Speaker 1: you wrote out an answer.

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00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: I can go find you right out an answer, and

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Speaker 3: I go back to my second answer. Okay, how do

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Speaker 3: you improve your lives? Take a little care of yourself.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you nothing is better than either a good

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00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: cup of coffee or glass of water or whatever your

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00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: drink of choices shouldn't be alcohol in the morning, and

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Speaker 3: make a walk. Yeah, a fifteen minute walk you walk

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Speaker 3: in your house like it gets your endorphins going, right.

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Speaker 3: And as What's your Name famously said in What's the

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Speaker 3: Movie where she becomes a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I think legally blind. I felt like I knew where

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00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: you were going with this reason. With this food, you're endorphins.

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Speaker 3: If you're if you're working, you're endorpy.

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Speaker 1: People don't kill people. Yeah, And so.

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Speaker 3: Taking that walk, you know, in the first thing in

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Speaker 3: the morning, even if your kids are around the how

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Speaker 3: do circuits around your house, whatever you need to do,

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Speaker 3: get them, get those juices flowing. It helps your mind

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Speaker 3: be clear and had its Exercise is never bad, that's.

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Speaker 1: Right, hear. I wouldn't take the chance myself, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my best advice.

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Speaker 1: I love it. She is Selena Z. You know, she's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Pre Order her new book Butler. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: out in July, but pre order right now so you

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Speaker 1: have it the day it comes out. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Selna Zita, Thank you so.

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Speaker 3: Much for having me. This is fun.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marco

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Speaker 1: which show subscribe