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Speaker 1: What do we have, pristol. Indeed we do. We have many, many,

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Speaker 1: very interesting election results to dig the group, both on

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Speaker 1: going to recount. We will bring you all of that. Also,

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Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorne is part of that. He did lose his seat.

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Speaker 1: but he did lose. Will tell you about all of that. Also,

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Speaker 1: a hopeful read, but maybe an important one nonetheless, But

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Speaker 1: we wanted to start this morning with the big primary

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Speaker 1: on the screen. David McCormick and Memet Oz continue to

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Speaker 1: they wanted to point to about who are who are

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Speaker 1: also defeating the democratic established. Yeah, well, I mean i'd

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Speaker 1: have to see more specifically what you're referring to. In

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Speaker 1: his language always says LGBT. It's like you said it

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Speaker 1: like three times interview are popular though. Okay, fine, Also

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Speaker 1: remember too that is it on the ballotult But remember

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Speaker 1: too that of course these rights are always on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a national election. Of course you have

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Speaker 1: an impact on those things. But let me also say

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Speaker 1: too that I think the cultural grounds have shifted to

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Speaker 1: where there are going to be a lot more questions

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Speaker 1: about abortion rights, where Fetterman is going to be much

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Speaker 1: more in step with you have that one the population

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Speaker 1: than the Republican Party is at this point. And I

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Speaker 1: think he's helped too by the fact that Republicans have

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Speaker 1: nominated someone who was so fringe for the gubernatorial candidate.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how it all ultimately shakes out. But

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Speaker 1: there was another race that was that was very closely

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Speaker 1: watched that pitted Summerly, who is sort of lefty Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders type state rep in the Pittsburgh area, against this

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Speaker 1: union busting lawyer literally on the other side, who was

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Speaker 1: relatively unknown. And this is for an open congressional seat.

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Speaker 1: And originally Summer had been up by double digits, like

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Speaker 1: twenty five points somewhere in that range, and so multiple

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Speaker 1: of these anti Palestine, pro Israel groups came into the race,

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Speaker 1: dropped three million dollars. This is the most money that

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Speaker 1: they spent in any race, and clearly shifted the dynamic

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Speaker 1: and really closed the gap here ultimately. And the ironic

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Speaker 1: thing here too is that it was like, so Summer

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Speaker 1: supports conditioning aid to Israel, which I also support, by

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Speaker 1: the way, but they didn't run ads on that they

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Speaker 1: ran ads saying that she was like not a real

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Speaker 1: Democrat and that she was going to try to undermine

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden all of these sorts of things, which is

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Speaker 1: exactly the playbook that they had run successfully against Nina

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Speaker 1: Turner in the past. Of course, Anina had said like

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Speaker 1: half a bullishit comment which didn't help her and help

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Speaker 1: them to be able to make that case. So they

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Speaker 1: spent millions on this race and as of now, and

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Speaker 1: this is one that's definitely going to a recount because

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Speaker 1: the margin is so narrow. Summer managed to eke this

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Speaker 1: thing out by a few hundred votes, like it is

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Speaker 1: as close as it possibly could be. So she will

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Speaker 1: be a new Squad member, and I think she'll be

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Speaker 1: very well known nationally, not just because she's going to

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Speaker 1: be another edition of to the Squad. This is a

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Speaker 1: blue district, it certainly will be the Democrat who you

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Speaker 1: know ultimately wins in the fall, but also because she

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Speaker 1: definitely has a presence and a charisma, And I wanted

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Speaker 1: to give you guys a little bit of a sense

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Speaker 1: of that because I think you'll be hearing more from

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Speaker 1: her in the future. This is a little bit of

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Speaker 1: her victory speech on the night of the election, and

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Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting how she really carried

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Speaker 1: a largely populous message as well, talking about the multi

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Speaker 1: racial working class and a lot of bread and butter issues.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that clean that they would

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Speaker 1: never be able to say that we can't win on

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Speaker 1: the valuable hour working people. And we can't say that

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Speaker 1: we can't win now really near clean water here cication

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Speaker 1: for everysinger town. They can't say that one when they

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Speaker 1: can't win, can't win to pay throughout this race. That

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Speaker 1: when we build coalitions, that when we cross all over

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Speaker 1: the county, when we cross and build a multi racial,

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Speaker 1: multi generational movement of people of all religious and all

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Speaker 1: genders and law races, all angels, that when we come together,

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Speaker 1: we can't be Scots. That's what everything everything, And I

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Speaker 1: just have such a gratitude we got a lot of

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Speaker 1: So it looks like she ekes it down, like I said,

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Speaker 1: go into a recount. But that was just one. You'll

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Speaker 1: be hearing more from her, no doubt. That was just

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Speaker 1: one of us string of pretty significant victories for the left, though.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got a count Fetterman in that dispatching

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Speaker 1: with Connor Lamb. Connor Lamb's seat now is open open

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Speaker 1: and in the primary, Bernie Delegate also prevailed in his district.

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Speaker 1: You also had let's go ahead and put this next

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Speaker 1: one up on the screen. Looks like this isn't final

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Speaker 1: yet because it's Oregon and it takes a long time

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Speaker 1: for the mail in ballots to come in. But it

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Speaker 1: looks like Kurt Schrader, who was described as the Joe

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Speaker 1: Mansion House, has lost to a progressive challenger, Jamie McLoud Skinner.

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Speaker 1: This is a major upset. I mean, this is an

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Speaker 1: incumbent Democrat who the establishment went all in for. Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden endorses him, and it looks like he's getting waxed

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Speaker 1: by Jamie McLeod Skinner, who you know, ran with the

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Speaker 1: grassroots backing in support. I also watched one of her ads,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know much about the entirety of how

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Speaker 1: she ran her campaigns, however, but the ad that I

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Speaker 1: watched went just eviscerated Trader on his pharmatize. This is

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Speaker 1: the dude, one of the key players in terms of

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Speaker 1: killing the Medicare prescription drug pricing reforms, and she just

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Speaker 1: hammered him for that in this ad. So again a

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Speaker 1: populist appeal that seems to have worked out in this primary.

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Speaker 1: And it's so humiliating for Joe Biden that you wade

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Speaker 1: into this race. He hasn't made many endorsements. You wade

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Speaker 1: into this, you endorse this guy, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is stab you and your agenda in the back, and

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Speaker 1: you still like have zero impact ultimately in the race.

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Speaker 1: There's another interesting one, This one we should probably talk

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Speaker 1: about more at another date because it's a whole layered conversation.

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Speaker 1: But we had talked to Ryan Grimm before about this

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Speaker 1: crypto billionaire who's throwing his weight around to the two

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Speaker 1: to millions in a lot of congressional primaries, especially in

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Speaker 1: particular on the Democratic side. Let's gohad and put this

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Speaker 1: tear sheet up on the screen. Well, his candidate that

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Speaker 1: he spent something like thirteen million dollars to back lost

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't even close to another progressive order candidate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was brutal, like they spent thirteen million

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Speaker 1: dollars to try to try to push forward this sort

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Speaker 1: of like crypto backed candidate. And this is also interesting.

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Speaker 1: Not only did the crypto pack come in for this, dude.

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Speaker 1: But the House Majority pack put a million plus into

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Speaker 1: this race, which is an open primery, like what are

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Speaker 1: you doing? Why are you getting involved in this race

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Speaker 1: at all. Meanwhile, they didn't back Trader, who was an

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Speaker 1: incumbent who probably had a better chance of winning. So

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Speaker 1: the crypto billionaire also goes down to defeat. There were

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Speaker 1: a couple of lefty challenger candidates in North Carolina who

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Speaker 1: also had those millions from the Israeli Israel Pro Israel

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Speaker 1: paks come in that did end up in defeat. But overall,

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at this, it comes back

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Speaker 1: to what I said earlier, which is that the Democratic

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Speaker 1: base is really disgusted with Joe Manchin, and when you

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Speaker 1: can tie a centrist or Corporatis candidate to Mansion, it

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Speaker 1: is a really devastating blow to their electoral chances. And

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Speaker 1: this has got to be a real rebuke of the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration and the way that they have failed to

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Speaker 1: really deliver on their key promises across the board. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. You know that Oregon district in particular, the

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Speaker 1: one of Court Trader, that is actually a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a conservative district. So it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: good test case of you know, progressive rhetoric on whether

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Speaker 1: they get that is true in a GOP area. I

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Speaker 1: know some people from the area and there they think

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Speaker 1: that Kurt was basically the only guy who could win that.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, like you said, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: the Democratic base is just not happy here with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: So they're kind of in a real pickle where their

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Speaker 1: own base is turning against them, but that they're not. Look,

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Speaker 1: they have to nominate candidates then who can also win

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Speaker 1: not only with the base but with everybody else. So

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Speaker 1: it really is it's a top situation for the Democratic

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Speaker 1: establish but we just hate to see it. Also in

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Speaker 1: the crypto community, with there are these things called top signals,

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Speaker 1: as in like that means we're officially at the top.

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Speaker 1: I think Sam Bankman Freed having serious losses is a

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Speaker 1: very big top signal for people. It's like, all right,

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Speaker 1: it's peaked, we all need to get out of it.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on, Mastriano, this is an important one.

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Speaker 1: So the Republicans have truly outdone themselves there. We got

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Speaker 1: to stick back with Pennsylvania and this really deserves its

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Speaker 1: an entire block it's a good test case stop the steal.

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Speaker 1: Does it matter to voters or not? Let's put it

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Doug Mastriano, he is somebody

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Speaker 1: who's shot to national prominence because of his willingness and

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Speaker 1: want to challenge the Pennsylvania election results. He is somebody

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Speaker 1: who came to really embody the grassroots Stop the Steel movement.

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Speaker 1: He's from South central PA. And this is a guy

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Speaker 1: who you know, he says he he says he was

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Speaker 1: never broke the law. It's very it's up in the

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Speaker 1: air exactly why he was passed a police barricade on

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Speaker 1: January sixth, and he said he did absolutely go to

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Speaker 1: the rally, so we know he was there on that day.

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Speaker 1: Mostrano himself flirted with qwanon. You know, we've pointed towards

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Speaker 1: all of the other crazy stuff that he's done, but

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Speaker 1: I think stopped the Steel is arguably the most consequential thing,

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Speaker 1: because look now he's officially the Republican nominee for GOP

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Speaker 1: governor in the state of Pennsylvania, which should be a

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Speaker 1: very easy pickup, and we should take Mostreano. I think

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Speaker 1: at his word, something that we would always point to

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Speaker 1: during actually stop the steel in the Trump is like, look,

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Speaker 1: it's not actually in his hands, you know, all these

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Speaker 1: senators like, it's not out of this stuff any matters.

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Speaker 1: I was like, but look, if an actual governor, who

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Speaker 1: in the state of Pennsylvania, the governor appoints the secretary

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Speaker 1: of State actually did try to decertify their election results

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Speaker 1: or send their own electors, that actually might happen. And

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Speaker 1: that's something that's very real as a possibility. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up there on the screen here from the Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: because it's actually a pretty good analysis. During Trump's twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty efforts, Mastriano explicitly endorsed the idea the state legislature

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Speaker 1: has the quote sole authority to reappoint new electors, given

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Speaker 1: quote mounting evidence that Biden's win was compromised. But Mostriano

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Speaker 1: continues to insist that and he even pushed the Justice

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Speaker 1: Department to issue a issue a guidance that would allow

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Speaker 1: him in order to make sure that he could push

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Speaker 1: the pretext of fraud. Now, this means that Mastriano adheres

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Speaker 1: to the notion that the mere claim of fraud is

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Speaker 1: enough to justify the certification of presidential electors in defiance

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Speaker 1: of the popular vote outcome, and as governor, he would

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Speaker 1: actually be in a position to operationalize this principle because

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of State, who I met, is somebody who

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Speaker 1: certifies the election results, and then the governor is the

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Speaker 1: one who has to sign the certification of the winner's electors,

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Speaker 1: and the state legislature has a constitutional role in determining

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Speaker 1: the quote manner of appointing electors by passing a law

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Speaker 1: that creates this process. So what that basically means is

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Speaker 1: that if a Democrat wins the pen popular vote in

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in twenty twenty four, and Mastriano were to declare

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Speaker 1: widespread fraud, he could actually have his Secretary of State

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Speaker 1: decertify the election results. Now, look where things are currently trending.

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Speaker 1: I don't think a Democrats can win in the state

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Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania, but it's possible, and the mere prospect of

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Speaker 1: it is pretty nuts. And I think that this just

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Speaker 1: shows you that in a highly winnable election inflation, you know,

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Speaker 1: all the cultural tides are turning, there is so much

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Speaker 1: happening on the ground, it's there's never been a better

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Speaker 1: time to be a Republican in this country that they

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Speaker 1: would put up somebody in swing country fifty to fifty

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania who actually wanted to overturn the entire election and

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Speaker 1: would now is asking the voters for the power to

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Speaker 1: do so. So obviously, I think it's completely and totally insane.

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Speaker 1: And this really just shows you the damage that Trump

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Speaker 1: can do to a highly winnable race. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Roy Moore thing was a good example. This is a

641
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Speaker 1: great example too, Yeah, of the run amuck Trump phenomenon

642
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: and what exactly will reak in these races. Now, Look,

643
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: I'm blackpilled enough Crystal to think that this guy could

644
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Speaker 1: still win given the national environment right now, which shows

645
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Speaker 1: you a whole host of other problems in this country. Possible, possible,

646
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: But I do think, I mean, this is a problem

647
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Speaker 1: for Republicans in terms of taking this governor's mansion. And

648
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: it matters a lot because obviously the election stuff that

649
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: you just pointed to, also because of what they might

650
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: do on abortion. It's it's very significant. Also could potentially

651
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: have lead over impacts to the Senate nominee. And if

652
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: you have a very weak candidate the top of the

653
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: ticket for governor, that is not a good thing for

654
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: your other candidates. On the line. I think that I

655
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: hope that we have a reputation here of not being

656
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: alarmist about election and insurrection and any of those things.

657
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: But as you laid it out, that is exactly the case.

658
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: This guy, with his Secretary of State, could literally be

659
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: in the position and have the power to say your

660
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: votes that you cast, all of you Pennsylvanians, we don't

661
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: care about that. We're going to decide who ultimately won

662
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: the state based on even the allegation, unproven allegation of fraud.

663
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Speaker 1: So that is extremely, extremely significant and very very troubling.

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Speaker 1: He also has, you know, I mean, he's far right

665
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: across the board on every issue, including on abortion, which

666
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: I do think will be you know, a significant issue

667
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: in the fall, especially with the statewide ticket. Democrats, I

668
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: don't know what they're thinking here, because as you pointed out,

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Speaker 1: you would not like I think that Republicans have made

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00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: it much more difficult for themselves to be able to

671
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: win in the fall. But have they completely made it impossible? No,

672
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: and Democrats helped to engineer Mastriano's win. Go ahead and

673
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. Now he may have

674
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: won anyway, because ultimately this race was not close, But

675
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: according to Politico, Mastriano's rise can be partly attributed to Democrats.

676
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: They viewed him as the easiest Republican to defeat in

677
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: the general and so the State Democratic Party sent out

678
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: mailers boosting him, helping him rise about other GOP candidates,

679
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: including former Representative lou Barletta. So Democrats wanted to run

680
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: against this candidate. Now, I want you to think about

681
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: their rhetoric about the sort of existential stakes of people

682
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: like this holding power, and yet out of hubris, they

683
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: helped to make this person closer to holding this position

684
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: power Trump. How did that work out with Trump? Now?

685
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: It has worked out in the past, and some instances,

686
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: Claire maccaskell famously helped to get Todd Akin the nomination.

687
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: So listen, they have pulled this maneuver successfully in the past,

688
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: but they are playing with fire here and I think

689
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: it is an incredibly dangerous and foolish thing that they

690
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: have done to prop up this canon. Now again he

691
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: won by such a margin. I don't know that the

692
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: Democrats were the ones that made the difference here, but

693
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: they were a part of giving him the funds when

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00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: he didn't have the funds. Frankly to get him to

695
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: a broader audience and cause his rise. Look, Crystal, I

696
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: just checked average gas price right now in Pennsylvania's four

697
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: dollars and seventy six seven four dollars and seventy six

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Speaker 1: cents a gallon. That's pretty high. Let's say election day

699
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: it's five point fifty. You really think that Doug Mostrano

700
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: still can't win. I do. I mean, I think that

701
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: all he has to say is Joe Biden has made

702
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: the gas price too high, and I'm going to do

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00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: something about it. And if you make things existential enough,

704
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, per your point about existential politics, well, the

705
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: Republicans can talk about existential food and gas inflation, which

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're going to do anything about it,

707
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: but Pennsylvania, frack country, you know, there's a lot of

708
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: there on the line as well. All they have to

709
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: do is at least talk in the election, and that

710
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: seems like a pretty winnable race to me. And there's

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00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: a byproduct of that which, look like you said, they

712
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: elevated somebody who legitimately believes this. So if he does

713
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: win come November, Democrats will have had a part in that.

714
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: And I think that's nuts, It's completely insane. I look

715
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: at this guy, like you said, I want to reiterate

716
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: this because I already know the Trump trolls won't care.

717
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: But for those of you who are on the fence,

718
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: you ever hear about the January sixth committee on the show?

719
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: You ever hear about some stupid ass text messages or whatever? No,

720
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Jenny Thomas, about some of the other ones.

721
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: Do you ever hear about Constant Oh, the Justice Department? Listen?

722
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: In terms of all that stuff, we focus as much

723
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: as we can on the FBI, on the DHS, on

724
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: you know, Foammning division. But this is serious, Like if

725
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: you but first, who's going to be the governor in

726
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: a swing state who legitimately wants to decertify the election results?

727
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: And I think we are willing to call it out

728
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: when it is the most insane and an actual threat

729
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: to democracy. And part of my criticism of the media

730
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: and a lot of people in the Democrats is they

731
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: over use that language and don't say it and cover

732
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: it when it really matters. Here, I think it matters

733
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: a lot, and frankly, I think this is an existential

734
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: threat to the actual integrity of the Pennsylvania vote. So

735
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, this is you'revery bad. You're playing with fire here.

736
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: You're basically trying to tee up a constitutional crisis and

737
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: not like fake like you know, hair on Fire every

738
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: night on cable, to like this, this is a real

739
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: serious problem. And never underestimate the ability of Democrats to

740
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: take something that should be winnable and completely shoot themselves

741
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: and the face, the foot and everywhere else. So watch

742
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: this one. We will keep a close eye on this

743
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: one ultimately. Another one that we wanted to give its

744
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: own special space is Madison Cawthorne, notorious, i would say,

745
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Republican congressman, very young man who kind of came out

746
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: of nowhere, won this Congressional disc or seat. Was wasn't

747
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: it the youngest ever elected congressman. Really seemed like he

748
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: was this big up and coming star and had sort of,

749
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, repeated problems time after time after time. We

750
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: didn't cover all of them here. Frankly, not all of

751
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: them rose to the occasion of being worthy of coverage.

752
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: But just to give you a sort of list, the

753
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: first thing that really sparked the ire of the establishment

754
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: was when he sort of casually floated that he'd been

755
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: invited to orgies and that he'd seen people doing cocaine.

756
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: Do I think that there could be orgies and cocaine

757
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: news happening in this town? Yes? Was he willing to

758
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: name names. No, he quickly got very uncomfortable when he

759
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: was pressed on this, and it very clearly looked like

760
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: he just made it up to make himself look like,

761
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, oh, I'm this crusader exactly. So that happened.

762
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: Then you had multiple instances where he's driving with a

763
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: suspended license. You had two instances where he brings a

764
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: gun to the airport. Then you started having people who

765
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: clearly had previously been aids or friends leaking all sorts

766
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: of things. A picture of him wearing women's lingerie after

767
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's positioned himself as this like manly

768
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: mail whatever, do whatever you want in free time, I

769
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: really don't care. There was a nude video that was

770
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: leak that also was like, I don't really care there anyway,

771
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: there was a lot going on there. Ultimately, go ahead

772
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: and put this tear sheet up on the screen. So

773
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: he did end up losing in the primary. It was

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00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: very close, and his opponent, a state center named Chuck Edwards.

775
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: He really had the backing of a lot of establishment

776
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: Republicans in the state, including Senator Tom Tillis, and ultimately,

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00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, all of this, all of the things that

778
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: had come out about Madison Cawthorne, I think basically convinced

779
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: the Republicans in that district that this guy's just not

780
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: really up to the task of serving as congressman. Right now,

781
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: we're going to go in a different direction. Washington Post

782
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: had a long piece on sort of inside the GOP

783
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: campaign to take down Madison Cawthorn. Go ahead and put

784
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: this up on the screen, they say. The twenty six

785
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: year old congressman has, in his few years in Paul politics,

786
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: sparked public outrage with his support for former President Donald

787
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: Trump's efforts to overturn the twenty twenty election, inflammatory speeches,

788
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: repeated driving and gun infractions, and even a nude video.

789
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: But his falling out, and this is really interesting. His

790
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: falling out with top Republicans in North Carolina and Washington

791
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: also arose from more hum drum blunders such as neglecting

792
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: constituent services and insulting party elders. According to GOP officials

793
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: and operatives in the state. If you go on and

794
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: read this piece, it becomes very clear that really, like

795
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: all of the you know, Atlantis things that report about Madison,

796
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: all that stuff, really the thing that did him in

797
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: was the fact that he wasn't nice enough to Tom

798
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: Tillis and other senior Republican figures. They didn't really care

799
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: about the election stuff. They've got a bunch of members

800
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: of Congress who are doing that sort of nonsense. They

801
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: didn't care about any of his like violations of the

802
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: law or any of that. They didn't like that he

803
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: didn't like bend the knee to them. And I don't

804
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: want to make him say like I'm good with Madison Cawthorne.

805
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: Losing this guy was ridiculous. His politics are extreme. He's

806
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: clearly an unseerious person in terms of being in there

807
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: and actually standing for anything other than his own like

808
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: self aggrandizement and Instagram presence. But it is telling that

809
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: the thing that the GOP actually hated him for was

810
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: that he was not sufficiently deferential. Yeah, you know, I

811
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: think he beclowned himself while he was in office, but

812
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: a lot of people beclown themselves while they're in office, right,

813
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, matc. I mean, Matt Gates is like

814
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: covarding with prostitutes, right, and none of the people down

815
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: there seemed to care. It's very strange how why exactly

816
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: they singled him out and decided to just make sure

817
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: that he was completely going to get out of there.

818
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you have a lot of crazy members of Congress.

819
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: You have people who are going to like white nationalist rallies,

820
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: and people don't seem to care. But somehow this guy

821
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: really got under their skin. So it's one of those where,

822
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of Iran I Rock war. It's

823
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: like I wish both sides the best, but I do

824
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: oh that way. But you know, you see what's happening,

825
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: and I guess the establishment does still have quite a

826
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: bit of power. At the same time. I mean, Trump

827
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: did endorse him, he became him very close to actually winning. Yeah,

828
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: it was narrow, it was incredibly narrow. Who knows, you know,

829
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: he might come back in twenty twenty six, and he

830
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: definitely probably could win. It seems I think he needs

831
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: a break. On a personal level. His life is clearly

832
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: in shambles. He had a divorce after like seven months.

833
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: Like his gun stuff his personal life, all these weird videos,

834
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: people in his life are obviously turning. I guess person

835
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: it was kind of in free fault. His personal life

836
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: is clearly in shambles. You know, just take some time off.

837
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know he likes to go to

838
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: the gun range. Go do that, blow off some steam,

839
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: and just take a seat for a couple of years

840
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: and we'll see where things choc us on yourself, get

841
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: into a good space mental yoga, then we can yeah. Yeah.

842
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Speaker 1: And one other thing I want to say about this

843
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: is like, I mean, it's not like, given my politics,

844
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have somebody who has basically like the

845
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: same bad political stances who's just much quieter about it.

846
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Speaker 1: In this dude, from my view, that's not necessarily in

847
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: that gain, because I mean, Madison was very loud and

848
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: obnoxious about his bad politics, and in some ways that's

849
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: kind of useful if you're someone who opposes that, that's

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00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: a good point. Okay, let's go to the next one.

851
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Speaker 1: This is a very important story. So this is the

852
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: DHS Secretary or the DHS Ministry of Truth. Now there

853
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: are two sides to this story. Both the fact and

854
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: the headline is it's shutting down. So that's good news

855
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: for all of us. But the Misinformation Disinformation for Disinformation

856
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: Governance Board, also known as the Ministry of Truth. Here's

857
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: what's interesting though, Here's how the Washington Post reported it.

858
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. Taylor Lorenz,

859
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: of course, is the one who got the scoop. She

860
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: says how the Biden administration let right wing attacks derail

861
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: its disinformation efforts. A quote unquote pause of the DHS

862
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: newly created board comes after its head Nina Jankowitz, was

863
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: the victim of coordinated online attacks as the administration struggled

864
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: to respond. As you said at the top of our show,

865
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on At the Washington Post?

866
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: The clear headline news of this is Biden administration quote

867
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: unquote pausing aka shutting down the Disinformation god Rent's board

868
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: as a result of public outcry. Just say that. You

869
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: can even characterize it as a bad faith right wing

870
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: attack in your copy if you want to. Why is

871
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: look I'm singing by the Washington Post standards. Yeah, I'm

872
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: not saying I don't think it's my issue. That's my

873
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: issue is it's just not even factually accurate. Yes, there

874
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: was a lot of right wing criticism of her. There

875
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: was also left wing criticism of this thing. There was

876
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: also civil libertarian and civil liberties groups that criticized this board.

877
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: So to just say, oh, this is a right wing

878
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: smear that's not even accurate, like if you're just going

879
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: by the facts and you're supposed to be reporting the news,

880
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of people had concerns over this,

881
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean at this day, you know,

882
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: even saying free speech is apparently coded right wing. But

883
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, even within their twisted framework, this is a

884
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: terrible story. So the background of all of this, obviously,

885
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: Nina JANKOWITCHI worked with the Wilson Board. I played that cringeworthy,

886
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: that cringe worthy video of her, you know, singing Mary

887
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: Poppins about disinformation and how it's quite atrocious. It's one

888
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: of the worst most cringeworthy videos I've ever seen. As

889
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: I said, all as a former theater kid, we need

890
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: to see theater kids mugged by reality. So she is

891
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: somebody who needs to have that happen to her, and

892
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: it finally has. So Nina, please quit the moaning. Myrtle

893
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: band in Harry Potter fan fiction. Quit doing the Mary

894
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: Poppins tiktoks, grow up a little bit now. Exactly what

895
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: happened here is that the Washington Post, though, is reporting

896
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: that this is a result of the Biden administration folding

897
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: to these quote unquote right wing attacks. And what I

898
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: love is that they actually quote a group within this

899
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: Crystal who characterizes this as a right wing attack, as

900
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: the group itself which funded the p tape Steele dossier. Well,

901
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: so I'm like, you are literally quoting a group which

902
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: funded and pushed official disinformation and quoting it and saying

903
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: that this is a result of a right wing attack

904
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: against the so called disinformation board. Just call this what

905
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: it is. It's a censorship board. You want establishment liberal

906
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: point of views to dominate in the United States government

907
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: and on technology platforms have to control the flow of

908
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: information because you don't trust citizens to make up their minds.

909
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: But they can't just come out right and say that,

910
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: So that the frame it is like, oh, we have

911
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: all these concerns, and we've played all those videos before

912
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: where she's like, it's actually liberals who are the ones

913
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: who get censored? And it's like, no, as we said,

914
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: it's not liberals. It's leftists to the extent that anybody

915
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: on the left gets censored whatsoever. And actually it's mainly

916
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: dissonant voices left and right who are always the ones

917
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: who are being kept out of here. So I just

918
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: think it shows you very clearly that the press is

919
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: on the side of the Disinformation Governance Board because they

920
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: don't believe in parsing that and they actually have an

921
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: official point of view as Taylor Lorenz does that she

922
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: wants to dominate on the Internet. So there's a lot

923
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: of troubling things that are happening with this, but you know,

924
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: God bless, I'm glad it's gone. There is so much

925
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: to say about this article. First of all, she doesn't

926
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: even mention the fact that one of the primary issues

927
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: that people took with Nina Jankowitz is that she herself

928
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: was a purveyor of signal misinformation, including buying into the

929
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: whole like, oh, it's the Hunter laptop story is just

930
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: like Russian disinformation, So that's number one. Number two, she

931
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: goes to great lengths to try to convince the audience

932
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: in this piece that these were coordinated attacks, and I

933
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: think that language is very intentional, because if it's a

934
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: coordinate attack like that sounds really nefarious. Then you start

935
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: thinking about bot farms and oh, this is some like

936
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, this is some underhand and dirty trick to

937
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: take down a good woman, when in reality, even what

938
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: she tracks here is just there was a big account

939
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: that posted something critical of the board and of Djankowitz.

940
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: It struck a nerve and people did what they do

941
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: on Twitter and they talked about it. That's not a

942
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: coordinated attack. That's just how Twitter works. And if you

943
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: didn't expect that, you would be mocked for your like,

944
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: you know, cringe Mary Poppins video. I don't know what

945
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: world you're ultimately living in. You could. Also there's the

946
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: dishonest of just framing this is coming from the right,

947
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: which listen, a lot of it came from the right,

948
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: but it was not exclusively from the right. That also

949
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: is very dishonest within this piece. And then the issue

950
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: that I consistently have with Taylor Lorenz is you know what,

951
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: if you want to write this as an opinion piece, fine,

952
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't agree with it. Yes, you're entitled to your perspective.

953
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: This is framed as a news article. It is based

954
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: in zero facts. It is so it is pure propaganda,

955
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: and she tries to convince people that there was this

956
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: coordinated plot which did not exist. So that is really

957
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: really disingenuous. And to the point of like the pieces

958
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: that she leaves out, go ahead and put this New

959
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: York Post piece up on the screen, which you know,

960
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: Mayork Post was actually way more honest here in their portrayal,

961
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: and they say that Biden puts disinfo Mary Poppins on Ice,

962
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: which is funny, but they actually have the honesty to

963
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: point out that, you know, among other things, she had

964
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: the terrible idea of letting verified so blue check Twitter

965
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: users edit other users' tweets. Ye, terrible idea that we're

966
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: getting from this quote unquote expert on misinformation. She repeatedly

967
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 1: tried to spread doubt about New York Posts reporting about

968
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden Centry's laptop, telling the AP in October that

969
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: it should be viewed as a Trump campaign product. She

970
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: also pushed the sense dis debunked claim in twenty sixteen

971
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: that then presidential cannont Donald Trump had a tie to

972
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: Kremlin blank to Alpha Bank, an allegation at the center

973
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: of an ongoing trial of the Clinton campaign lawyer. So

974
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: all of that is fair game. All of it is

975
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 1: fair game. I'm not a big fan of like digging

976
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: up everybody's old tweets and like judging them for life.

977
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: But when it's relevant to the job that you have

978
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: been appointed to, yeah, that actually matters. And of course,

979
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: the last thing I'll say about this that really irritated

980
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: me about this entire conversation, not just Taylor Lorens, but

981
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: especially Taylor Runs is she tries to have it both ways.

982
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: She tries to say, I don't know what people were

983
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: worried about. This board was no big deal. They didn't

984
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: have any real authority and all. So though frame it

985
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 1: is like this is some grave blow to the fight

986
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: for truth. You can't have it both ways. Either the

987
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: board was no big deal and you don't know what

988
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: people cared about it, or this is a big deal.

989
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: It has significant power and so it really matters whether

990
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: it happens or not. You can't have it both ways.

991
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 1: That's a very actually I didn't think about it that way,

992
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: but it's very important. So it's like it, see, there

993
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: was a fake board that didn't matter, or this is

994
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: a big deal that she's been taken down. And you know,

995
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: here's the other thing too, it's not like the Biden

996
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: administration is all of that responsive to criticism. This obviously folded,

997
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: not because I think of just public outcry, but I

998
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: think anybody on the merits could look at this woman,

999
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: what she has said and say, yeah, this is just

1000
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: a bad fit. This is just not going You're not

1001
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: going to be a neutral actor. Exactly. You can't be

1002
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: a neutral actor. You can't be arbiting information for the

1003
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: United States government whenever you were such a clearly partisan actor.

1004
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: It's not just folding to politics, folding to attacks on

1005
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: the merits. It was a terrible idea to have it

1006
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: in the first place, and it was a terrible idea

1007
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: in order to hire her. So it folding is a victory.

1008
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: And I think that anybody in the press should not

1009
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: want a disinformation government's board period. So the fact that

1010
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: they are using it and defending it, and that it's

1011
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: Tailor in particular that makes it somebody who's a proponent

1012
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: of it, just shows you their actual ideology and their

1013
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: I want the government to be responsive to public pas.

1014
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: I wish they rarely are. They actually were responsive to

1015
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: public criticism here, and that is a very good thing.

1016
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: Story such a bad idea and yeah, that segues perfectly

1017
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: that the next story, which is Biden has now announced

1018
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: they are taking some pretty dramatic steps here to try

1019
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: to end the baby formula shortage crisis. Let's take a

1020
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: listen to what you had to say. I know parents

1021
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: all across the country are worried about finding enough infant

1022
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: formula to feed their babies. As a parent and as

1023
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: a grandparent, I know just how stressful that is. I

1024
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: want to provide a few updates on our work to

1025
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: get more formula into the United States and on the

1026
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: store shelves it's available to you today. I'm invoking what

1027
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: they call the Defense Production Act to ensure that manufacturers

1028
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: have the necessary ingredients to make safe, healthy infant formula

1029
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: here at home. The Defense Production Act gives the government

1030
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: the ability to require suppliers to direct needed resources to

1031
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: infant formula manufacturers before any other customer who may have

1032
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: ordered that good. And I'm also announcing Operation Fly Formula

1033
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: that's to be able to speed up the import of

1034
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: infant formula and start getting more formula in stores as

1035
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: soon as possible. I've directed the Department of Defense and

1036
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: the Department of Health and Human Services to send aircraft

1037
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: planes overseas to pick up infant formula that meets US

1038
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: health and safety standards so we can get it on

1039
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: the store shelves faster. And I've directed my team to

1040
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: do everything possible to ensure there's enough safe baby formula

1041
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: and that it's quickly reaching families that need it the most.

1042
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: This is one of my top priorities, and I'll continue

1043
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: to keep you updated on our progress. So too, we're

1044
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: there just to summarize Defense Production Act, to make sure

1045
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: that the ingredients are available long overdue. Glad to see

1046
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: they're doing it now, and flying in formula from Europe,

1047
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: also long overdue. Glad to see they're doing it now.

1048
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: Shows you what the government can do when they actually

1049
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: want to do. Yeah, I mean, look, I better late

1050
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: than ever. That's exactly what I wanted to see happen.

1051
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what I said on our show

1052
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: on Monday. I was like, in both the DPA and

1053
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: go to Europe and fly using military planes, flight over

1054
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: here and give it away to parents. Great, Thank you

1055
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: very much, President Biden. Now do the same thing on

1056
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: gas and on food. That's my only ask. I guess

1057
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: this one is just so discreet and so outrageous, like

1058
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: the idea of parents of tiny little toddlers, especially ones

1059
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: who are working. You know. Actually that was one this

1060
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: made me so upset, which is that you have these

1061
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: moms who don't actually have a lot of maternity leave,

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Speaker 1: so they have to wean their kids off at a

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00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: very early stage, like eight weeks or something like that.

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00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: They literally have to use baby for They don't have

1065
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: a choice we have because they have to go back

1066
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: to work. We have zero guaranteed days of paid maternity

1067
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: leave in this country alone, among develop nations. Zero. So yeah,

1068
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: if you're working, mom, you got to go back to work. Emails,

1069
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: you literally have to go back. So what are they

1070
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: supposed but are you gonna do? Yeah? I mean there

1071
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: are many women who want to breastfeed and are unable to.

1072
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: There are many women who are working and it does

1073
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: not work in their schedule whatsoever. There are people who

1074
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: are adopt babies, don't know if you know about that.

1075
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: There are gay couples who adopt baby. I mean, there

1076
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: are so many reasons why people need formula, why infants

1077
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: need formula, And this was the other thing that really

1078
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: upset me is like the mom shaming that was going

1079
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: on here too, Like you know, you have you could

1080
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: just give them the natural product, shut the f up.

1081
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: That really made me lose my cool, just you know,

1082
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: knowing how difficult and what a strain this can put

1083
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: on families ultimately. But you know, the other piece of

1084
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: this saga is Abbot, which had the recall. And there

1085
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: are only so four manufacturers of baby of baby formula

1086
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: produce about ninety percent of the country supply, so you

1087
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: take one of those offline, it is a big deal.

1088
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: So that's part of the problem here. The FDA has

1089
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: apparently come to some agreement with them to address the

1090
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: safety concerns, but that's probably still going to take months

1091
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: to get that plant and facility back online. I just

1092
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: have to say again how disgusting it is that rather

1093
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: than Abbot doing what they needed to do to keep

1094
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: their plant and equipment safe for the babies who are

1095
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: dependent on their product, they instead decided to give themselves

1096
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: billions of dollars in stock buybacks, which is just the

1097
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: most sociopathic, disgusting example of corporate greed that I have

1098
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: probably ever seen. Yeah, and you know, even in terms

1099
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: of how this all happened, nobody really knows, like even

1100
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: the CDC says there's no conclusive evidence that Abbott was

1101
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: the one response. Obviously, Abbot is pushing that very hard.

1102
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: I have no idea what happened in terms of this,

1103
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: but what I do know is, look, Abbot, you shouldn't

1104
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: be buying back six billion dollars your stock period, and

1105
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: in general, we should have a lot more facilities. Also,

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00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: the regulatory capture on this is something we absolutely have

1107
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: to address. Never thought I'd know this much about baby

1108
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: formula before I had kids, but it's very clear to

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00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: me that European baby formula is far superior to ours.

1110
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: So I actually hope that we have a breakthrough in

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00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: terms of at least ensuring that parents who are in

1112
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: that scenario where they are not able to breastfeed their

1113
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: kids are able to access much more natural and better

1114
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: baby formula recipes on the commercial market, which basically don't

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00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: exist here. That's another you know, this is a very

1116
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: good view into how much of our food supply chain

1117
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: is tainted by these major monopolies and by these who

1118
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: asked and made it. Did you vote that all baby

1119
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: formulas in America have to have plant based soy additives?

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00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: Why is that. No, there's no good explanation except for

1121
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: the fact that there's a big lobby and that these

1122
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: companies have actually used an intense amount of their lobbying

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00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: power to make sure that European natural milk protein baby

1124
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: formula is not available here. There's also apparently a goat

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00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: milk alternative, which is very good. I'm just saying, you know,

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00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: let people give their kids whatever they want as long

1127
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: as it's safe, and it's not going to safe, as

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00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: long I'm not going to poison them, give them, you know,

1129
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: let parents make the decision for themselves. The other problem

1130
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: here is that the FDA funding has been so stripped

1131
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: that it makes it very, very difficult for them just

1132
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: to do the basics of you know, guaranteeing food safety

1133
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: that we expect them to do. And I just have

1134
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: to point out on the hypocrisy front. So they put

1135
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: up they want to vote on awarding twenty eight million

1136
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: dollars additionally to the FDA so that they can beef

1137
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: up their regulatory ability, and Republicans say they are going

1138
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: to vote against it, of course, so it's like, you know,

1139
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: they're out there raising hell about this good it's deserved,

1140
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: but that and they're pointing finger directly at the FDA.

1141
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's been the locus of a lot of

1142
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: the Republican criticism, and then there's like, okay, so let's

1143
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: do something about it, Like nah, yeah, I mean I

1144
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: can look, this is always the issue. Yeah, And actually

1145
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: I do want to say this. So producer James during

1146
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: the show went ahead and checked. There are two bills

1147
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: on the floor in order to pump money into the

1148
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: Baby Formula Formula Supplementation Appropriations Act one hundred and ninety

1149
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: two Republicans voted against it, four Republicans and one Democrat

1150
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: did not vote. Twelve Republicans did buck the House GOP

1151
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: leadership and voted for the bill. So you've got Don Bacon,

1152
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: Brian Fitzpatrick, Anthony Gonzalez, Trey Hollingsworth, John Cotco, Adam Kissinger,

1153
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: David McKinley, Tom Rise, Chris Smith, Michael Turner, Fred Upton,

1154
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: and Anne Wagner. Now that was one bill. There is

1155
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: a second bill also, the Access to Baby Formula Act,

1156
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: which passed by a vote from four hundred and fourteen

1157
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: to nine. So I think that's a different and a

1158
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: separate one. But they did pass the twenty eight million

1159
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: dollars in funding there. But I do think that it

1160
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: is very important to show you that there were a

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01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: lot of Republican talking points at the time of the

1162
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: forty billion dollars Ukraine, which I oppose and which I'm

1163
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: doing entire monologue on. But who said we can't even

1164
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: give baby formula to our kids. But then when they

1165
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: actually can vote to get baby formula, the kids, most

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01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: of them don't even vote for it. And the ones

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Speaker 1: you named were not the people who were loving. No,

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01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: they're not margin were centric. If Marjorie is the one

1169
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: who said that, and I even said, I said, okay, Marjorie,

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01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: let's see it. Let's do it. So there you go,

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Speaker 1: all right, Sager, let's get to your monologue. Then what

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Speaker 1: are you looking at that? Here we go. Well, as

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01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: I've covered here extensively, Finland and Sweden have both officially

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01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: submitted a joint bid to NATO yesterday, in a seismic

1175
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: geopolitical move that will likely have ramifications for decades to come.

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01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: Finnish and Swedish entry into NATO was not even thinkable

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: four months ago. The majorities of both populations did not

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Speaker 1: even want the move. Obviously, what's changed here The Russian

1179
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine. It has spurred both Finland and Sweden

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01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: to try and join NATO, with Switzerland also even considering

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01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: breaking its centuries long commitment to neutrality and considering NATO

1182
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: application as well. But of course a hidden part of

1183
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: the debate is this, Finland and Sweden have no right

1184
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: to join NATO. Nobody has a right to decide that

1185
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: we have to go to nuclear war for them. That

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01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: responsibility is up to us, and it's a sacred one

1187
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: that we considered. Why during the foundation of NATO itself,

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01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: when we extended that protection only to our closest and

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01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: most strategic allies during the Cold War, that extension came

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01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: with conditions, conditions which after the fall of the Soviet

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01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: Union have just simply not been yet. A lot of

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01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: this became political when Donald Trump began talking about this

1193
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, but the story is basic and true.

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, all NATO Alliance countries committed to spending

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01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: at least two percent of their GDP on national defense.

1196
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: Of course, for decades they basically refused to do that,

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01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: especially the largest countries in Europe like Germany and France,

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01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: spending well under two percent while they maintain their massive

1199
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Speaker 1: welfare states. And look, that's fine, You're welcome to do

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01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: what you want, But to do so while the US

1201
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: is underwriting their entire existence, that seems pretty insane. And

1202
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: this has been the status quo in Europe for thirty years.

1203
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: The United States has cared more about the security of

1204
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: the European continent than the Europeans themselves. We have been

1205
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: underwriting tens of billions in weapons defense deployments for a

1206
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: sector of the world whose GDP and national affairs continues

1207
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: to have less and less impact on us and on

1208
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: the global economy every day. It's not nineteen ten anymore.

1209
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: Ask yourself at a basic level, is that fair? Is

1210
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: it just? Or is it not? And then, of course

1211
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: all of this is brushed under the rug. During the

1212
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: Russian invasion of Ukraine. You have all of Europe. They're

1213
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: beating their chest, France and Germany and the UK. They're

1214
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: finally going to step up and actually fulfill their NATO obligations,

1215
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: spending the bare minimum of two percent. That's great, I guess,

1216
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: but the same fundamental dynamic remains today. Really consider this, today,

1217
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: the United States has sent more money to Ukraine than

1218
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: it has to Israel and Egypt. When the Ukrainian aid

1219
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: package does pass the Senate, it will total nearly fifty

1220
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: billion dollars. That is more than we have sent to

1221
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 1: any other country in total since nineteen forty six. Now,

1222
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: perhaps you say, yeah, Sagur, no shit, Russia invaded Ukraine

1223
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: and we support Ukraine. I agree. I think the Ukrainian

1224
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: causes just I hope they win. But let's consider it

1225
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: our nearly fifty billion dollars in the context of what

1226
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: our supposed allies are coughing up. Let's review the United Kingdom,

1227
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: which historically has been willing to spend more than their

1228
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: continental brothers, has not even broken five billion in total

1229
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: assistance to Ukraine. The entire European Union lags behind then,

1230
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: and then in order Poland, Germany, France, Canada, Italy, Norway, Sweden,

1231
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: Japan and Estonia. The Estonia figure is actually the most

1232
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: shocking to me, considering that they literally share a land

1233
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: border with Russia and they have actually been conquered by

1234
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: Russia before. None of the other Baltic members of NATO

1235
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: even cracked the top twelve in terms of donation. Now

1236
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: look to be fair if you include the share of GDP.

1237
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: They certainly have contributed a lot more, even more than

1238
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: we have, But I would posit that absolute dollar terms

1239
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: actually matter a lot. It's outrageous for the United States

1240
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: to be outspending the largest states in all of Europe

1241
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: by a margin of ten to one. They are the

1242
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: ones whose actual physical security is threatened. Take the Baltic

1243
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 1: States and the Europeans at their word. If they legitimately

1244
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: feel like supporting Ukraine, weakening Russia and having a strong

1245
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: NATO is vital to deterring Russia, don't you think they

1246
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: would be spending a hell of a lot more on

1247
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: their national defense and on supporting Ukraine. If there was

1248
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: a country that had the means and the past of

1249
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: Russia on our border and they invaded somebody near us,

1250
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: I'd be up here telling us we need to spend

1251
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: twenty five percent on national defense. And yet these people

1252
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: won't even spend two percent when their physical security is threatened,

1253
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: and when we foot the entire bill to actually support

1254
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: Ukraine that when they're in need, they do it because

1255
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: they can. They know we will foot the bill that

1256
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: we extend and guarantee their physical security with our nuclear arsenal,

1257
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: so that they can continue to spend the lab vishly

1258
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: on their own citizens. It is the scam of the century.

1259
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: It has been now for some time, and I'm pro NATO.

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: It's great as long as they contribute to But they

1261
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: don't and they won't as long as we continue to

1262
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: blindly go along, which brings me to Finland and Sweden.

1263
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: As I've said, I think Finland and NATO are great,

1264
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: or Sweden are great. Despite my brief and disgusting dalliance

1265
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: with Finnish food. I think they deserve peace and security.

1266
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: But their entire claim for joining NATO is that they

1267
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: are afraid of getting invaded by Russia. Totally irrational in

1268
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: my opinion, and I would be if I were them.

1269
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: So again, how much are they spending on their national defense?

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01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: They have one of the largest in all of Europe

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Speaker 1: in Finland, and they still only spend two point three percent.

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Speaker 1: They have committed to more, but look again, if they're

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Speaker 1: gonna think you're gonna get invaded, wouldn't you spend like

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Speaker 1: five or ten? And the answer is no, because their

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Speaker 1: solution is for us to spend three point five percent

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Speaker 1: of our GDP on defense and guarantee their physical security

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Speaker 1: Finland is honestly even worse in twenty twenty. They are sorry.

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Speaker 1: Sweden is honestly worse. In twenty twenty, they spent only

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Speaker 1: one point two percent of their GDP on national defense. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: they claim they're going to raise it to two quote

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Speaker 1: as soon as possible, Yet they submitted a NATO application

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Speaker 1: before even committing to the two percent. Ask yourself, this

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Speaker 1: is it fair for countries with the most robust welfare

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Speaker 1: states on planet Earth to outsource their defense to you,

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Speaker 1: the American taxpayer, who does not have such a welfare state.

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Speaker 1: I think all of us can agree that we have

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Speaker 1: and need an alliance with Western Europe and that we

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Speaker 1: want to see Ukraine obtain victory on the battlefield. But

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Speaker 1: this is not right. This has become a predominantly American

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Speaker 1: led and funded conflict, which really buttresses against the Russian justification.

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Speaker 1: They are claiming that Ukraine in this entire conflict is

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Speaker 1: a proxy thing with Us, rather than Ukrainians and Europeans

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01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: fighting for their physical security. If Europe really thinks it's

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Speaker 1: on a war fitting, they should act like it. The

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Speaker 1: US Congress should not bail them out time after time

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: after time after time, because the day may actually come

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Speaker 1: when Article five does get tripped. And what then, well,

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01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: what then is that these so called allies who have

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Speaker 1: much smaller and lesser capable militaries than us and don't

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Speaker 1: stand a chance, we will once again have to come

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Speaker 1: to their rescue with our overwhelming arms, materiel and lives.

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Speaker 1: We did it before, and the promise was we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: ever have to do it again, but they would help

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01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: us by short shouldering some of the burden. That has

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Speaker 1: simply not been the case. It's not the case today,

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01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: and if the current hysteria remains, it will not be

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Speaker 1: the case tomorrow. And the status quo is not going

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01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: to change. You're getting ripped off as you have been

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01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: for decades. I think that that conflict tells you everything.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. CHRISTL

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01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at? While DEM's fear

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Speaker 1: an extinction level event? That is the headline of a

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Speaker 1: New York Times article describing what might be the ultimate

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01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: showdown in dem on dem violence. Open civil war breaking

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01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: out into the open thanks to the shameless power grab

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01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 1: of one top dem in leadership bigfooting a first term

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Speaker 1: black progressive. Now this is a little bit of inside baseball,

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01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: I confess, but trust me, the drama of it is

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Speaker 1: well worth waiting through the details here. So New York

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01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: has been working through lawsuits to arrive at a new

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Speaker 1: post twenty twenty census congressional district map. An a tentative

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Speaker 1: map has been released, which is likely to be finalized tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But already all hell has broken loose within the New

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Speaker 1: York Congressional Delegation and the National Democratic Party. No fewer

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Speaker 1: than five pairs of incumbent Democrats have been drawn into

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01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: the same districts, putting numerous incumbents on a direct collision course.

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Speaker 1: Among them are Carolyn Maloney, who lives in the same

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Speaker 1: district now as Jerry Nadler, Hakeem Jeffries, who lives in

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Speaker 1: the same district now as Evet Clark, and progressive Jamal Bowman,

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: who lives in the same district as progressive Mondair Jones.

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Speaker 1: Now this is where things get really interesting, because although

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Speaker 1: Jones lives in the same district now as Bowman, the

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Speaker 1: overwhelming bulk of his current district pre new lines was

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Speaker 1: drawn into a different district, New York seventeen, that's going

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: to become really relevant. And in New York there is

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Speaker 1: no law that says you have to live in the

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Speaker 1: district where you're running, So seems like a no brainer.

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Speaker 1: Jones should run in the district that includes more than

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the district that he already represents.

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Speaker 1: But there is a gigantic catch. The current chair of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the d Triple C, Sean

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Speaker 1: Patrick Maloney, the guy who's charged with raising the money,

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: forging the strategy, and wrangling the endorsements to protect Democratic incumbents,

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Speaker 1: he instantly announced that he's going to run in that

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Speaker 1: New York seventeen congressional district. This in spite of the

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Speaker 1: fact that the bulk of Sean Patrick Maloney's current district

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Speaker 1: is in a different newly drawn district where there is

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Speaker 1: no incumbent. So why is he doing that? Because the

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01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,839
Speaker 1: New York seventeen district is a few points more favorable

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Speaker 1: to Democrats than the other district. And apparently the dude

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Speaker 1: who's supposed to be guiding swing district Democrats on how

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01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: to win is so insecure about his own prospects in

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 1: a swing district that he's worried he can't win in

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01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: a district that Biden won by five to eight points.

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Speaker 1: Maloney's move has already pissed off a bunch of people.

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Speaker 1: Here is Politico quote. Maloney's decision to abandon a newly

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Speaker 1: redrawn version of his current swing district and instead run

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Speaker 1: for a sweet seat that includes most of Representative Mandir

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Speaker 1: Jones's turf is raising private concerns from across the party

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Speaker 1: that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chief has put himself

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Speaker 1: in an inappropriate scenario leading the party's mid term strategy

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 1: while potentially battling a fellow member. That is a very

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Speaker 1: diplomatic way of saying the caucus is in total meltdown.

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Speaker 1: Jones is clearly extremely pissed. In an interview, he said,

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Speaker 1: Sean Patrick Maloney did not even give me a heads

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Speaker 1: up before he went on Twitter to make that announcement,

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Speaker 1: And I think that tells you everything you need to

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Speaker 1: know about Sean Patrick Maloney. Wow. Jones has yet to

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Speaker 1: announce though what he is ultimately going to do. Is

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Speaker 1: he gonna run against his fellow progressive or is he

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Speaker 1: going to take on the guy who controls the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Caucus fundraising purse strings. But just think about this. Maloney

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Speaker 1: is supposed to be the person in the caucus most

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Speaker 1: committed to maintaining the Democratic majority, and he has just

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01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: all on his own made it more difficult for Dems

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Speaker 1: to prevail in that already monumental task. Incumbents normally have

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Speaker 1: an engine holding seat, so by crowding himself into Jones's district,

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Speaker 1: he left that other district that he currently represents completely open.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned before, it's a Biden plus five to

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Speaker 1: eight district which he has an incumbent would probably hold

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01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: even in this climate as an open seat, though it

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01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: could easily be in danger of being picked off by Republicans.

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01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: So even the people who claim they're all about the party,

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01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, they look after their

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01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: own interests at the expense of anything and everyone else.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of having no principles, Maloney also threw an some

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Speaker 1: low key racism just for good measure. Here. His allies

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Speaker 1: are arguing that Jones's more quote ideologically suited to the

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Speaker 1: district that Jamal Bowman represents versus the one that already

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Speaker 1: has seventy five percent of his district in it translation

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Speaker 1: being why don't you go represent the black district and

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Speaker 1: leave the white Westchester district to me? Nice segregationist vibes there,

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Speaker 1: which brings me to another point. Think of all the

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Speaker 1: things that these Democratic elites have said about their support

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Speaker 1: for communities of color, and especially their emphasis on representation. Now, personally,

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01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: I care a lot more about whether the policies are

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01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: going to be good for people than which demographic group

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01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: the members of Congress happen to personally reflect. I will

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01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: take Bernie over Kamala every damn day, thank you very much.

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01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 1: But dem party elites, they lean into the representation only

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01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: version of pop progress, the hollowist form of identity politics,

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: at least until they don't imagine how much a white

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01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: leftist would be smeared as racist for jumping into the

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01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: district of a black corporatist. But Sean Patrick Maloney just

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01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: made it much more likely that the caucus becomes less

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Speaker 1: diverse because of him attempting to bigfoot Mande Jones, who

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Speaker 1: happens to be a black man. See, identity politics was

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01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: all well and good until it came to their own power.

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01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 1: Same with the millions being spent by establishment Democrats and

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01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: their allies to destroy progressives, frequently people of color in

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01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: primaries across the country. Summerlee is literally set to be

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: the first black woman to serve in Congress in the

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01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: state of Pennsylvania. Ever, but she has a history of

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: challenging establishment Democrats, so millions in super pac spending from

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01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: top establishment Democratic allies APAC and Democratic Majority for Israel

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01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: that was dumped on her in order to try to

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Speaker 1: prop up a dude who's not only a white guy

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01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: but who also literally led the union busting shop at

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Speaker 1: his corporate law firm. Women of color Erica Davis, Nita Alam,

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01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: and Justice Cisnaros have received similar treatment, as did Jamie

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Speaker 1: McLoud Skinner, who is set to become Oregon's first LGBTQ

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Speaker 1: congress person. Joe Biden even waded into that race to

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01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: endorse her white guy opponent. Again, I don't really care

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01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: who these cannons sleep with or the shade of their

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01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: skin color. Diverse representation is a bonus fine, but it

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01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: does not in any way makeup for bad policy. But

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01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: that is not what the Democrats have been selling you.

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01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: And it's not just an identity that they are completely

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01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: full of. It every single one of these instances I

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01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: just mentioned. They're actually back in candidates who are at

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01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: odds with the policies they claim to support. Go into

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Speaker 1: the mat for the remaining pro life Democrat over a

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01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: pro choice Latina. They lined up behind the now vanquished

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01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: likely Kurt Schrader, who tanked dem drug pricing legislation over

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01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 1: the trailblazing lesbian. And they backed a union busting lawyer

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Speaker 1: over Pennsylvania's first black congresswoman. Why because they got to

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Speaker 1: crush the left. They got to guarantee that all the

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01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 1: little sheep will fall in line and that every vote

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01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: goes in the right direction on the one thing that

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01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: really matters, the leadership votes. Sean Patrick Maloney's little play

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01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: to push out Mandair Jones is just the tip of

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01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: the iceberg of their hypocrisy, their willingness to do anything

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01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: to snuff out any possibility of dissent. Every person of

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01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: good conscience needs to take note. They don't care about identity,

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: they don't care about policy, and they don't care about you.

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01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 1: They just want power at any cost. So, ladies and gentlemen,

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01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: let the dem disarray begin this whole story. And if

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01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue. Become

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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. My very

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01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: popular request joining us now is Peter Zihon. He is

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Speaker 1: the author of the forthcoming book The End of Globalization

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01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: is just the beginning, Mapping the collapse of globalization. It

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Speaker 1: is at the end of the world is beginning? Sorry,

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01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: Mapping the collapse of Globalization. A very thought provoking book.

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Speaker 1: Let's put it up there on the screen. Peter. I've

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Speaker 1: been familiar with your work. I've read some of your

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Speaker 1: previous books. It's really interesting just to talk to you

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Speaker 1: in the context of really a flashpoint in geopolitics. So

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Speaker 1: give us the both preview of the book. In the

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Speaker 1: context of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian and

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01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: Chinese seeming alliance, you know, the current Finnish and Swedish

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Speaker 1: prospect of joining NATO. How does this all track onto

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Speaker 1: your general world world view. The overall theme is that

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01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,520
Speaker 1: we are at the end of an era. That globalization

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01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: was a moment in time that the United States created

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Speaker 1: artificially in order to generate alliance to fight the Cold War,

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Speaker 1: and in the eight elections since the Cold War ended,

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01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: the American population has always gone with the candidate who

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Speaker 1: was less globalist and more populist. That includes Biden. So

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Speaker 1: we've been moving this way for a long time. It's

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Speaker 1: not an aberration, it's a pattern. And without globalization, most

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Speaker 1: of the major economies in the world have to add

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01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: a minimum retool and for many of them that's the

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01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: end of their systems. The other piece is depopulation. We've

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01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:43,480
Speaker 1: finally passed the point where the problem is no longer overpopulation.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that as globalization took hold, everyone everywhere

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01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: was able to move off the farm and into the town.

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Speaker 1: On the farm, kids are free labor, and in the

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Speaker 1: town they're really expensive annoyances and adults aren't dumb, so

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Speaker 1: they have fewer of them. You carry that out for

1482
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: seventy five years, and you don't just run out of children,

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01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: you run out of twenty somethings and forty somethings. Most

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01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: of the major countries of the world have now aged

1485
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: past the point of no return, and this was always

1486
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: going to be the decade where they moved into mass retirement.

1487
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: You play these things two together and the whole system

1488
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,799
Speaker 1: starts to spin apart. The Ukraine War is a piece

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01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: of that. Countries looking to attach themselves to a superior

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: power is a piece of that. The evolution of China, Japan,

1491
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: and Russia are pieces of that. And the whole point

1492
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: of the book is to show what happens on the

1493
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: backside in terms of the major economic sectors, whether it's

1494
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: transport or finance or agriculture. Let me ask you about

1495
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: one little piece of what you said there, which is

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01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: you made the case that Biden is actually more populist

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01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: and less globalist than Trump. What is your sort of layout,

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01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: your view of that, because I think that would go

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01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: against a lot of conventional wisdom. Oh, it certainly does.

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01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: Everyone assumes that Trump, since he was the one who

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01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: threw the fits and break broke trade deals, is the

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01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: one who's the more populist. And I don't mean to

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01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: suggest that he wasn't. He certainly was. But what Biden

1504
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: has done is fundamentally different. Trump would tweet out that

1505
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: we're pulling out of this or that, or we're leveling

1506
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: terroriffs on countries, and then he would walk away. Sometimes

1507
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: he'd even fire the people who were responsible for making

1508
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: those policies happen. Because he was a relatively volatile personality.

1509
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: Biden is coming in and Biden is reinforcing every decision

1510
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: that Trump made on trade with actual code, with actual

1511
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: executive orders, with actual bureaucrats to enforce it. So Biden

1512
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: and Trump, from a foreign economic policy point of view,

1513
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: actually have the two most similar foreign policies in this

1514
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 1: country's history. The difference is that Biden is making it stick.

1515
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: Can you just give one very specific example of that

1516
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: shared China tariffs, the Phase one deal never really but

1517
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: because Trump never really implemented it, all the tariff state

1518
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 1: in place, and Trump and his trades are Catherine Tie

1519
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: have basically extended those into perpetuity and formed a bit

1520
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: of an alliance with some of the other Western countries

1521
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: to make it not just an American thing but global.

1522
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons why companies like Huiwei

1523
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: are facing such a catastrophic problem. Everyone assumed that as

1524
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: soon as the Trump administration went away, this would all

1525
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 1: just fade away, and instead it is now fully embracing

1526
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 1: the American trade law. Right and Peter, I think one

1527
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: of the interesting things you said there was what the

1528
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: end of globalization looks like on the back end. I mean,

1529
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: give us a twenty year or so preview here of

1530
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: going forward, What can Americans see change geopolitically in their

1531
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: lifetimes Given the fact we've already seen such a major

1532
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 1: geopolitical change in what just the last what I'd say,

1533
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: ten years, it's changed the landscape dramatically. It's been a

1534
01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: really last three months from my point of view, that

1535
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,480
Speaker 1: the whole book is on that topic. So, for example,

1536
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,799
Speaker 1: transport is international safety and cheap transport is the foundation

1537
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: of all manufacturing supply chains, the entire global energy market,

1538
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: and the entire global agricultural market. There are now parts

1539
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 1: of the Black Sea that have already become a no

1540
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: go zone, which have taken the world's largest wheat exporter,

1541
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: Russia and the fourth largest wheat export at Ukraine, off

1542
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: the market. The Russians are having a similar problem with

1543
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 1: their fertilizer because it is exported through that same no

1544
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 1: go zone. So we are already looking down the maw

1545
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: of a global wheat crisis that this year is going

1546
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: to ad a minimum triple, probably quadruple wheat prices. At

1547
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: the same time, we have a global fertilizer shortage which

1548
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: is going to reduce yields on a global basis, we're

1549
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: not going to have to wait ten years. We're looking

1550
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: at that right now. Part of the core of your

1551
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: analysis focuses on demographic decline, and you reference that, you know,

1552
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: the fact baby boomers didn't have, you know, nearly as

1553
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: many children, that people keep having fewer and fewer children

1554
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: just in the rich world, but also in the developing world.

1555
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: Could you just make the case for how that works,

1556
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: like you sort of arrive at very catastrophic consequences from

1557
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: this demographic bust, but just get very specific about how

1558
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: this happens and what it actually looks like, and if

1559
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: there are countries that have already gone through this that

1560
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: can kind of serve as a model. Sure, so as

1561
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 1: you move off of the farm and into the city,

1562
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: you have fewer kids. You play that forward for a

1563
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: few decades, and fewer kids becomes fewer young workers, becomes

1564
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: fewer mature workers. I think a great case study is

1565
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,520
Speaker 1: South Korea. South Korea is a country that wasn't industrialized

1566
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: at all, certainly wasn't globalized when it got independence from

1567
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: the Japanese at the end of World War Two. They

1568
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 1: started to develop in nineteen fifty and steadily over the

1569
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: course of the next four decades, they went from the

1570
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: most rural country in the world to the most urbanized

1571
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 1: country in the world. And they're now thirty years after

1572
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: that in an environment where they have more people in

1573
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: their sixties than their fifties, than their forties, than their thirties,

1574
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,879
Speaker 1: than their teens, than children. For a while, that works

1575
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 1: for you, because if you have a lot of workers

1576
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,679
Speaker 1: aged thirty to fifty but not a lot of kids,

1577
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: all the money that is normally spent on school and

1578
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: diapers is instead spent on cars and condos, and you

1579
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: get this massive generation of economic growth from the consumption side.

1580
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 1: At the same time, the higher investment and tax levels

1581
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: from those more mature workers can be building out infrastructure

1582
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: and an industrial plant on the industrial side. And so

1583
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: we've seen this story over and over again in Germany,

1584
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: in Korea and Japan and China. But it's a bit

1585
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 1: of a starvation diet because if you then fast forward

1586
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: another ten years, you're talking about that bulge that right

1587
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: now is in the fifties being in their sixties and

1588
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: then retiring, and in that sort of environment, you just

1589
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 1: have a complete collapse of production and investment and consumption

1590
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: all at the same time, and we're now looking at

1591
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: about half the developing world going through that process right now.

1592
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: So the growth we had from roughly nineteen ninety five

1593
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: roughly twenty fifteen, the fastest economic expansion in human history,

1594
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 1: was about all of them being in that magic demographic

1595
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: moment before they flipped. Now they're flipping, right, and so, Peter,

1596
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: one of the key points I think that you make

1597
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: in the book and have talked along about in the

1598
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: past is just the way that the unique American role

1599
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,919
Speaker 1: of superpower played in the development of the globalization system.

1600
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: Now with the decline of globalization, as you say, energy

1601
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: markets and manufacturing, all of that predicated entirely on the

1602
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 1: free movement of goods. What does a return to an

1603
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: almost more like nineteenth century war for the high seed.

1604
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: I don't mean a physical war, although it could turn

1605
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: certainly turn into that. What does that actually look like

1606
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: in the context also of this demographic decline and consumer

1607
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: a shrinking of US power. Are we going to see

1608
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: the return of great power, conflict of multipolarity within the system.

1609
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: How is that going to play? That's like nine questions there.

1610
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 1: I'll do my best, Okay, So, as populations decline, the

1611
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: capacity for them to participate in normal economic activity collapses

1612
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: because you have to have sufficient young people to get

1613
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: it going, and that's no longer an option for a

1614
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: lot of countries. So the model of capitalism or socialism

1615
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: or fascism or communism or whichever ism you happen to

1616
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: be a fan of, they were all designed for the

1617
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: market getting a little bit bigger every year, and they

1618
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 1: can't cope with a market that's in terminal decline in

1619
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: terms of global affairs if you don't have safety on

1620
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 1: the high seas in the US is the only country

1621
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: that can even pretend to guarantee that the steps that

1622
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: allow for modern manufacturing, supply chains, the complexity that brings

1623
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: us the goods that we use every day, that breaks

1624
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: down in that sort of environment. Individual countries will feel

1625
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: forced or out of a sense of opportunity, to take

1626
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: matters into their own hands and try to generate regional

1627
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: manufacturing hubs, regional spheres of influence. The problem is that

1628
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: the resources you need to fuel a modern industrialized, post

1629
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: globalist world are not equally spread out around the world.

1630
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 1: They're very concentrated. So oil in the Persian Gulf, cobalt

1631
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: and in Congo Nickel and Northern Russia, for example. Not

1632
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: everyone can reach everything. The United States should be pretty

1633
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,839
Speaker 1: much okay because we're going to be combining the Western

1634
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: Hemisphere with maybe the Japanese in Southeast Asia. But for

1635
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 1: everyone else, you're looking at sharply truncated capacity to access

1636
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: the inputs that allow modern life to happen. So we're

1637
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: seeing some of this going on right now with the

1638
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: Ukraine War. There are a number of countries who are

1639
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: completely reliant on globalization to allow them to import energy.

1640
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: China is probably at the top of that list. And

1641
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: in a world where Russian cruit is going offline bit

1642
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: by bit, that means the entire map of where crude

1643
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: can go is going to reshuffle. So it's probably gonna

1644
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: look something like this. As the Russian crewed falls offline,

1645
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: the Europeans, who are their primary customer, are going to

1646
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: go back and reinterface with countries closer to them that

1647
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: they have better relations with, primarily former colonies that's North

1648
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 1: Africa and West Africa. There's enough there plus Norway to

1649
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 1: supply the Europeans, but that means that Russian crud is

1650
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: going offline and North and West African cruit is going offline.

1651
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 1: That means there's not enough left to go to East Asia.

1652
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 1: Now the Japanese have a navy, they can reach the

1653
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: western hemisphere work with the Americans still that supplies in,

1654
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: but China can't. China is a good example of the

1655
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: country that's absolutely screwed from this new sort of environment.

1656
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 1: They've mined most of their own country out and the

1657
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 1: resources that they need from further abroad or concentrate in

1658
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: certain footprints that the Chinese can't reach. So China and

1659
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: a lot of countries in the broader world will not

1660
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: be able to access affordable and ample energy supplies to

1661
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: maintain their current system. And they also can't reach the

1662
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,799
Speaker 1: cobalt and the nickel and the copper that is needed

1663
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 1: to maybe try their hand at the green transition and

1664
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: that sort of environment. You're not just looking at a

1665
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: trade breakdown in East Asia. You're in a population bust.

1666
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: You're looking at a loss of the inputs that are

1667
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 1: necessary to maintain today's economy, much less the future one.

1668
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: And that suggests a screaming reverse and economic activity and

1669
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: de industrialization of the system. That doesn't simply make the

1670
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: Chinese no longer rich, it puts the Chinese in an

1671
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: environment where they have to go back to subsistence rice

1672
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: patty agriculture just to prevent their population from dying out.

1673
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: Some version of this is going to play out in

1674
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: large parts of the world. I'm specifically concerned with sub

1675
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: Saharan Africa, North and North Africa, in the Middle East,

1676
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 1: a little bit in Southeast Asia, I'm sorry, a little

1677
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 1: bit in South Asia, and absolutely in Central Europe. Wow.

1678
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: So talk a little bit more about China, because it's

1679
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: another part that very much goes against conventional wisdom. A

1680
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: lot of your thinking does. But you know the countercases.

1681
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 1: They've got a massive population, they've been very clever about

1682
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the Belton Road initiative. They've been down securing mineral deposits

1683
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 1: in Congo and elsewhere so that they could be ahead

1684
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 1: of the game in terms of the Green revolution, and

1685
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: that they are the US's main geopolitical competitor. Obviously, much

1686
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: of our industrial capacity went to China, and they have

1687
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: all the factory towns now, So what's wrong with that analysis?

1688
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 1: Almost everything. So let's start with the demographic pictures. Since

1689
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: we've already kind of established that the one child policy

1690
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: has been in place for forty years, and that means

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Speaker 1: that the Chinese were running out of thirty year olds.

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Speaker 1: That's just how math works. Anyone who's just that the

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Speaker 1: Chinese think long term or a good at math really

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Speaker 1: needs to take a closer look at their system. Also,

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Speaker 1: with the more recent census data that has come out,

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Speaker 1: they are now admitting grudgingly that they've overcountered their population

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Speaker 1: by in excess of one hundred million people. Now, the

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Speaker 1: Chinese system, as of two years ago, before this new

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Speaker 1: census data had come out, they were already the fastest

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Speaker 1: aging and fastest demographically collapsing country in human history. And

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01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: now with the new data, it suggests that the Chinese

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Speaker 1: population will be less than half of its current size

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Speaker 1: as soon as twenty fifty. So, just from a demographic

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Speaker 1: point of view, this is the last decade of China

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Speaker 1: as a unified nation state. They're a dead man walking.

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Speaker 1: Let's go beyond that, Okay, one belt, one road. This

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01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 1: is an outcome of something that Chinese do with their

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01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: financial system. So we give the Fed a lot of

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01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: crack a crap for monetizing and printing currency and all

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01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: that good stuff. And on average we do print a

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Speaker 1: substantial amount, but the US dollar is used as the

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Speaker 1: lubricant for the world's largest economy. We have another twenty

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Speaker 1: odd currencies in the wider world that are linked to it,

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Speaker 1: and it is the sole currency for international trade and

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01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 1: the primary currency in terms of store of value. As such,

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01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: the American increase in the money supply actually broadly correlates

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01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: with those other factors combined. So do we play a

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01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: little fast and loose with the rules. Sure, we pay

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01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: for that down the road, probably. But the Chinese, which

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01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: is not the Chinese you want, is neither the store

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01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: of value nor the currency of exchange. And yet the

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01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,599
Speaker 1: Chinese in any given month print two to five times

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Speaker 1: as much currency as we do. Their overall money supplies

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01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:47,520
Speaker 1: over twice what ours is, and it's not internationally exchanged

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01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 1: at all. They use that money to lubricate their systems,

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01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: to force capital into any company that might be able

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01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 1: to employ people. So for us, the money supply is

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01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: primarily an economic issue. For them, that's a political one,

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01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 1: and it's treated appropriately. And that means that the Chinese

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01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 1: are brimming with huge volumes of liquidity. And if you're

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01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: someone in the know in China and you have access

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01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 1: to that, it's a gold mine. Because if you can

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01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: get that currency out and exchange it for something else,

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01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 1: anything else, even if the price is ridiculous, that means

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01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 1: you've gotten some capital flight out and you have your

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01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: rainy day fund. That's exactly what one Belt one Road

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01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: is on a global basis. Whenever you see the Chinese

1738
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: bidding eight billion dollars for something that's only worth two

1739
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: billion dollars, that is not a sign of national strength.

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01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 1: That is a sign of a corrupt bureaucrat who is

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01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: establishing his nest egg. And they've now done that on

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01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 1: a global basis. Now, there's lots of other impacts from

1743
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: this over financialization, this hyper five nationalization system, but overall

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01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,520
Speaker 1: it does mean that each individual Chinese company of size

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01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,759
Speaker 1: could not survive in the global environment unless that money

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01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 1: keeps coming. Other their countries have tried various versions of this.

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01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Japan probably is at the top of that list. They're

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01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,560
Speaker 1: the ones who kind of designed the model. But eventually

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01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: you have sufficient exposure that you can't compete and you

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01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 1: start going down a Japanese style economic malais that in

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01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: this case has lasted thirty thirty five years already, and

1752
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: the Chinese are shooting the Japanese economy today is about

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01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: the same size that it was in nineteen ninety four

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01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: before the decline really got going. That is the best

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01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: case scenario for the future of China, a slow, long stagnation,

1756
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of reasons to expect it to

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01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: be a lot worse. Wow, this is really fascinating. This

1758
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 1: is why I love reading your books and why I

1759
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: think everybody should go pre order buy your book right now.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have a link down in the description.

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01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 1: I've gotten a lot out of this conversation. Could talk

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01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: to you for hours, So Peter, thank you so much

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01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 1: for joining us. Really appreciate it. Yeah, it's our pleasure,

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01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: our pleasure, absolutely, all right, guys, thank you much, so

1765
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching our saga. Oh oh

1766
01:33:56,600 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 1: my God loves right. It came across the line last

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01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: night and we could not let the show go. Thank

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01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: you for catching me because I remember it too. This

1769
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 1: is probably one of the most important segments we will

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01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: ever do. Exaggerating but pretty bit of how would you

1771
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: even describe this slip of the tongue Freudian slip, I

1772
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 1: don't know, a little bit of unintentional, brutal honesty, unintentional honesty,

1773
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: very few ways in order to describe it. President George W.

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01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: Bush accidentally saying, imagine one man invading unlawfully Iraq instead

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01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 1: of Ukraine. Let's take a listen. The result is an

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01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:38,759
Speaker 1: absence of checks and balances in Russia and the decision

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01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal

1778
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: invasion of Iraq, I mean, of the Ukraine, a rrect. Anyway.

1779
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 1: The leader goes on to say I'm seventy five, and

1780
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 1: the audience slaughs. There's actually really nothing funny about that.

1781
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 1: That's the part is the worst is I mean, I

1782
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: understand people in the audience are just like uncomfortable, but

1783
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: you destroyed an entire region, You killed hundreds of thousands

1784
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: of civilians, You sent our men and women to fight

1785
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: and die for lies. This isn't it's not funny. And

1786
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 1: the fact that he said that is really something. I mean,

1787
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,560
Speaker 1: it's just something I guess exists. You know, It's like

1788
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: an old programming chip that just came back. I don't know.

1789
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 1: You know, I saw a tweet once which I have

1790
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 1: never agreed more, which is that there Fauci is a

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01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,839
Speaker 1: guy who and I look, I know this sounds ridiculous,

1792
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 1: but just bear with me, which is that Fauci is

1793
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 1: a guy who basically ruined the lives of a lot

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01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 1: of younger people by pushing a certain type of ideology

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01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: and change our world forever. And he said, like George w. Bush,

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01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I could ever shake his hand. And

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01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about that in the context of Bush,

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01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: which is, you know, I've always generally been and aired

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01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: on the side of collegiality, but there are certain types

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01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: of figures like him who ruined so much of what

1801
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: I loved about America and ruined so much about both

1802
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: our I think political awakenings the entire world, I mean

1803
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 1: watching and seeing and I've seen refugee camps and others

1804
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 1: as a result of both the Syrian christ which is,

1805
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, a direct effect of Iraq, and I can't

1806
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I would ever be able to shake

1807
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,640
Speaker 1: George Wish. I don't think I could ever be in

1808
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: a polite society conversation event like that and just laugh hilariously.

1809
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: You know, even today, whenever I see guys like Paul

1810
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: Wolfowitz or Scooter Libby or others, and I've been in

1811
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: the same room I can't even go and speak to them.

1812
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: I literally look at them and I'm like, you ruined

1813
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,519
Speaker 1: this country. You don't even know Douglas Fife, all of

1814
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 1: those look at him, and I'm just like, you did

1815
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: so much damage to the world, to America. You ruined

1816
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 1: so many lives. I know, people who lost limbs, you know,

1817
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 1: in these wars. And that's on at the end of

1818
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: the day. And that he was resuscitated in the Trump

1819
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: era as some sort of like you know, oh, that's

1820
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 1: back when the Republicans were were reasonable. There ain't nothing reasonable.

1821
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 1: You know. You can have a critique of Trump and

1822
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: like accurately portray how bad he is without reviving war

1823
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: criminals like George W. Bush. And so what does it

1824
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 1: mean that that fell out of his mouth when he's

1825
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be talking about Ukraine. I don't know, I

1826
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: don't know. We have to get a psychologist in here

1827
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 1: to say. I mean, it almost makes you like, it

1828
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: just makes you wonder. Clearly that's still very much on

1829
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 1: his mind. On the tip of it. People read I

1830
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:48,480
Speaker 1: read W's biography by Gene Edwards. Gina was a great biographer.

1831
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 1: He wrote a couple of really good ones. Went on

1832
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: FDR went on Grant and he actually did a bio

1833
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: of W. Yeah, and you know, W doesn't think about

1834
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 1: it at all. That's the thing is that is like

1835
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: totally at peace. That's why so surprising to me that

1836
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 1: that fell out of his mouth, because you would almost

1837
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: imagine that happening with someone who actually has some remorse.

1838
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: But this man has never showed for a minute even

1839
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 1: a second of reflection or remorse. I remember some of

1840
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: the reporting at the time too, and you know, take

1841
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 1: it for what it's worth, but reading the letters of

1842
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: soldiers and whatever like, there just wasn't that deep concern,

1843
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: Like it didn't land with him. Well, it would land

1844
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: with him in the context if he would feel very

1845
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: bad for the people, but he was always one hundred

1846
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: percent secure. He has a very strange worldview. He's like

1847
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: got the evangelical born again thing where he's one hundred

1848
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 1: percent secure in his decision making. Even today, would defend

1849
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 1: the decision to invade Iraq, and he's I think that

1850
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 1: he genuinely does sleep very peacefully at night, which you

1851
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,600
Speaker 1: know that bothers me some kind of way. For a

1852
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: lot of the mom's parents, people out there who lost,

1853
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,600
Speaker 1: people who fought and died, not to mention any of

1854
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: the Iraqis as well. So I don't know. I mean,

1855
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: he's always been a complex figure in that probably responsible

1856
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 1: for the single worst foreign policy act in the history

1857
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: of the United States, has no remorse over it whatsoever,

1858
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: and it's still welcome in politicy, resitated not just to

1859
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: give his thoughts but to opine on foreign policy, which

1860
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: is what he's doing. Well, you know, I told you

1861
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: he had that meeting with Zelenski, and I was like, hey, Zelenski,

1862
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 1: that's actually a terrible look, and you should not be

1863
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: with him, Like, you know, you should not be in

1864
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: the business of meeting with people who are invaders, and

1865
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 1: you know Bush is up there. I just think it

1866
01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 1: was a monster. It's such a monstrous act that has

1867
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,760
Speaker 1: been lost in the time in my lifetime, which I

1868
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: didn't even think possible. Back in two thousand and six,

1869
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: I was like, we are going to remember I mean, look,

1870
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: I was a teenager. I'm sure I was like full bluster.

1871
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: I was just like this is so bad, like so awful,

1872
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 1: and yet you know, people here apparently willing to move

1873
01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 1: on the freaking lady and Nicole Wallace, who helped him

1874
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 1: and sold his war propaganda is now on MSNBC Liberal

1875
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Hero Sometimes I actually Prime Time gig. Anyway, there you go. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: w really a very revealing moment. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for watching. We really appreciate it. It was a

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01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:18,600
Speaker 1: great show today. Just thank you all so much for

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Speaker 1: your support. We're thinking about all of you who've stuck

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Speaker 1: with us over the years as we come up on

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