WEBVTT - Setting for a Murder [2]

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the m l K Tapes, a production of

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised. In nineteen sixty six, James Meredith,

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<v Speaker 1>the first person of color to integrate the University of Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 1>decided to go on a two hundred mile march from Memphis, Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>to Jackson, Mississippi. He called it a walk against fear,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was meant to encourage black men and women

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<v Speaker 1>to register to vote. On the second day out on

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<v Speaker 1>the road, Meredith was ambushed and wounded by a white

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<v Speaker 1>man with a shotgun. Meredith was rushed back to a

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<v Speaker 1>hospital in Memphis, his wounds not serious. The following morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King flew in to see him, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend James Lawson, pastor and civil rights leader in Memphis,

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<v Speaker 1>drove out to the airport to pick him up. I

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<v Speaker 1>was met on the concourse by a couple of black

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<v Speaker 1>police officers who were dressed in suits and ties, white

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<v Speaker 1>shirts and ties. They informed me there will be no

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<v Speaker 1>violence in Memphis and King is going to be safe

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<v Speaker 1>in Memphis. Claud Armor, the Commissioner of Fire and Police.

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<v Speaker 1>He is appointed eight officers of the police force in

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<v Speaker 1>Memphis to work with him and accompany him as a

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<v Speaker 1>security unit. For nineteen sixty six on Dr King's office

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<v Speaker 1>cooperated with that black security squad of eight men. They're

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who would not allow him to stay at

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<v Speaker 1>any hotel with balcony sea. They wanted him to be

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<v Speaker 1>inside where they could not keep the scenery clear. Was

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<v Speaker 1>that unit assigned to him on his final visit to Memphis,

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<v Speaker 1>that all black unit. No, it was withdrawn. That security

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<v Speaker 1>union was reassigned. I called the union hall. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of life and death. I said, I think

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<v Speaker 1>these people are planning to kill Dr King. The authorities

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<v Speaker 1>were parade. Oh, we found a gun, the James L.

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<v Speaker 1>Raybod in Birmingham that killed Dr King. Except it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the gun that killed Dr King. James Lvy was upon

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<v Speaker 1>for the official story from My Heart radio intender for TV.

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<v Speaker 1>The plan was to get King to the city because

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted it handled in Memphis. Were dead in incate

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<v Speaker 1>hamon and I have lived with us alone, monsieur, and

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<v Speaker 1>they they skied for me. The Lord told me to

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<v Speaker 1>not the word. I've been wanting to tell it all

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<v Speaker 1>my life. I'm Bill Clayburg and this is d MLK tapes.

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Lawson was a good friend of Martin Luther King,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was one of the first to question the

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<v Speaker 1>official story of the assassination. Lawson will tell us how

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<v Speaker 1>he came to know doctor King and about the things

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<v Speaker 1>he learned that created doubt about the murder. Then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear from people who were in Memphis that faithful day

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<v Speaker 1>and how what they experienced spoke to the very things

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<v Speaker 1>that troubled Reverend Lawson. At the time of King's murder,

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<v Speaker 1>Lawson was the pastor of the Sentinary Methodist Church in Memphis. Lawson,

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<v Speaker 1>like King, was a third generation minister, and he decided

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<v Speaker 1>to fight for racial justice at an early age. When

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<v Speaker 1>he was just twenty two, he sent to federal prison

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<v Speaker 1>for refusing induction into the army. Lawson was locked up

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<v Speaker 1>for a year and then went to India as a missionary.

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<v Speaker 1>It was while he was in India that Laws and

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<v Speaker 1>learned of the Montgomery bus boycott. We spoke last summer.

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<v Speaker 1>The Montgomery bus boycott was on the top news all

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<v Speaker 1>across India the early part of December nine. I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 1>at my desk in my apartment in no for India,

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<v Speaker 1>and the immediate headline that caught my eye in my

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<v Speaker 1>life Negroes in Montgomery Boycott. I knew as I finished

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<v Speaker 1>my term in nineteen fifty six that I were really

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<v Speaker 1>going to return to home and would be involved in

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<v Speaker 1>that campaign. I didn't know where or what, or when

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<v Speaker 1>or who, but I knew it was going to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and it did happened. Lawson met King when he got

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<v Speaker 1>back from India, where he had studied the life and

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<v Speaker 1>methods of Mahatma Gandhi. King was impressed. He urged me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't remember all the words, but he said,

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<v Speaker 1>come now, don't wait. We don't have anyone like you

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<v Speaker 1>in the South, and we need your experience, We need

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<v Speaker 1>your work and help. So Lawson went south, where he

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<v Speaker 1>would lead the lunch counter sit ins in Nashville and

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<v Speaker 1>be arrested as a freedom writer in Jackson, Mississippi. He

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<v Speaker 1>then became the pastor at the Centenary Methodist Church and

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<v Speaker 1>in the summer of six, he joined a group of

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<v Speaker 1>ministers that went to Vietnam to make a report, a

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<v Speaker 1>report critical of the war that he personally sent to

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King. Less than two years after you made

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<v Speaker 1>that report, Dr King then made his speech at Riverside Church,

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<v Speaker 1>the speech that shocked the nation fourth nineteen seven. And

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that I'm America would never invest the necessary

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<v Speaker 1>funds are images in rehabilitation of its poor so long

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<v Speaker 1>as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills

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<v Speaker 1>and money. So I was increasingly compelled to see the

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<v Speaker 1>war as an enemy of the poor and to attack

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<v Speaker 1>it as such. King's opposition to the war might have

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like a practical matter. Money spent on military adventures

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<v Speaker 1>abroad could not be used to help people at home.

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<v Speaker 1>But underneath there was a powerful moral argument that went

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<v Speaker 1>much deeper. We were taking the black young men who

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<v Speaker 1>had been crippled by our society in sending them eight

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<v Speaker 1>thousand miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which

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<v Speaker 1>they had not found in Southwest Georgia and East Holland.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you concur in that speech? Did you agree with

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<v Speaker 1>Dr King? Oh? Absolutely? But his speech was not very

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<v Speaker 1>well received by the overall American media and some people

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<v Speaker 1>in the civil rights movement as well. Is that not true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. We knew in our conversations the extent to

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<v Speaker 1>which they would say he had no business talking about

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<v Speaker 1>which causes the idiocy of our conventional wisdom. In the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, we think that preachers ought not to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about evil. In ninety eight, Memphis, racial tensions were high.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a few decent employment opportunities to open the

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<v Speaker 1>black citizens. Only the most menial work, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>always Underpaidred sanitation workers were the textbook case. A day

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<v Speaker 1>after filthy work, black workers were not allowed to shower

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<v Speaker 1>and change clothes at the garage, but the way workers

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<v Speaker 1>were if it was raining, they were sent home without pay,

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<v Speaker 1>while their white drivers were allowed to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the garage, play cards and stay on the payroll. There

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<v Speaker 1>were constant humiliations, and if you objected to any of it,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be fired. On April one, two black workers in

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<v Speaker 1>Cole Cole and Robert Walker hopped into the back of

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<v Speaker 1>their garbage truck to get out of the rain. It's

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<v Speaker 1>trash compactor supposedly malfunctioned, switching on and they were crushed

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<v Speaker 1>to death, and if the horror of that were not enough,

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<v Speaker 1>the wives and families of the two men were barely compensated.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the last straw, and the sanitation workers walked

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<v Speaker 1>off the job. The city of Memphis declared the strike

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<v Speaker 1>illegal and refused to discuss the workers concerns, and about

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<v Speaker 1>all the workers could do was march and attend rallies.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Reverend Lawson describing what happened during one peaceful

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<v Speaker 1>march that he was leading, a march he had cleared

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<v Speaker 1>with police Chief Holliman. We were walking on the right

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<v Speaker 1>side of the street going south, and these cars came

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<v Speaker 1>from the side streets on the main street and rolled

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<v Speaker 1>up all alongside of us, so that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>long line of police cars, perhaps the length of the walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I noticed some of the cars coming over the

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<v Speaker 1>yellow line and trying to intimidate some of us walking.

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<v Speaker 1>So I turned around and went to the couple of

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<v Speaker 1>the race cars and said, now, look, we had Holloman's

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<v Speaker 1>permission to walk. You guys have designed to provoke an incident,

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<v Speaker 1>so stay where you are. And then it happened again.

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<v Speaker 1>They moved over on the marchers, and this time the

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<v Speaker 1>sanitation workers put their hands in the car, and like that,

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<v Speaker 1>the police cars all of it. Now that line stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers poured out of the cars with cans of the

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<v Speaker 1>base and seated the mace everybody they could place. They

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<v Speaker 1>had some targets they dragged off to a vikingople out

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<v Speaker 1>the river. By how many I had glasses on, So

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<v Speaker 1>they're mad in face. But the march was broken up

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<v Speaker 1>in that fashion. But as the strike entered its second month,

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<v Speaker 1>it moved into something more threatening even than police violence.

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<v Speaker 1>There were now families with no savings and no income

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<v Speaker 1>and no way to put food on the table. The

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<v Speaker 1>strikers badly needed outside help, national attention. So Reverend Lawson

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<v Speaker 1>asked his friend Martin Luther King to come to Memphis

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<v Speaker 1>and speak at a rally. And they were standing room

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<v Speaker 1>only in that meeting. So I suspect that we probably

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<v Speaker 1>had as many as ten the twelve thousand people in

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<v Speaker 1>that sanctuary and in that building. I picked up Dr

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<v Speaker 1>King at the airport and we had to walk through

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<v Speaker 1>mobs of people who were overjoyed that Martin King was

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<v Speaker 1>in Memphis for this strike. So this is a very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful moment for him and for us in the euphoria

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<v Speaker 1>that followed a speech, King agreed to come back to

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<v Speaker 1>Memphis and join in a protest march. When the day came,

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<v Speaker 1>King's plane was delayed and he was a little late

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<v Speaker 1>in getting there. The march began, and King and his

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<v Speaker 1>people arrived and took their place near the front of

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<v Speaker 1>the marchers. But things were not going well. When I

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<v Speaker 1>turned on the main street, I saw just beyond our

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<v Speaker 1>first rank of marshals, who were maybe fifty yards ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of us, I saw in front of them police officers

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<v Speaker 1>in riot deer stretched across that main street in ranks

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<v Speaker 1>of three or four ranks on the side of the street.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're trying to break the store windows. No police

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<v Speaker 1>officer moved to stop them, So I said to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>they are planning again to break up this march. Knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what was coming next, Lawson ran back and demanded that

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<v Speaker 1>King of this party retire. They're coming to get you, Martin,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, and we don't want that. King objected at first,

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<v Speaker 1>but then agreed, and his party retired to the Rivermont

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<v Speaker 1>Hotel with the honest help of a nearby police car.

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<v Speaker 1>Later last in another strike, leaders examined photos that were

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<v Speaker 1>taken that day. According to them, the windows smashing and

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<v Speaker 1>looting had not been done by the marchers, but rather

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<v Speaker 1>by some Beal street low lifes and others they didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>As we heard at the beginning of the episode, from

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the Meredith shooting forward, King had an

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<v Speaker 1>all black security unit when it came to Memphis, but

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, on the King's final visit to the city,

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<v Speaker 1>that unit was not called on to protect him. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>a police detail of four officers under the command of

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<v Speaker 1>Inspector Donald Smith met doctor King at the airport and

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<v Speaker 1>escorted him to the Lorraine Motel, where they remained on

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<v Speaker 1>duty till five in the afternoon. But none of them

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<v Speaker 1>were black, and none of them returned the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>April four, the day the King was murdered. Late in

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<v Speaker 1>the afternoon of April four, Lawson went to the motel

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<v Speaker 1>to report to doctor King about his day in court,

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<v Speaker 1>fighting successfully, as it turned out, for the right to march.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawson left King at around five pm. He was home

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<v Speaker 1>having dinner with his wife when he got the news

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<v Speaker 1>that doctor King had been shot. He then dashed around

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<v Speaker 1>the city trying to keep things calm. But several days

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<v Speaker 1>later he got a strange package in the mail. I

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<v Speaker 1>received the brown envelope and on the inside of it

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<v Speaker 1>the invisible tape. It was wrapped around a bullet. It

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<v Speaker 1>had scribbled on the sheet of paper to the bullet

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<v Speaker 1>woods attached, there is one of these for you. Lawson

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<v Speaker 1>didn't tell anyone other than his wife about the package.

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<v Speaker 1>But a few days later we got a call on

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<v Speaker 1>some matter from police Chief Holloman, and towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the conversation, Holloman said, we understand that you received

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<v Speaker 1>the package in the mail. Lawson, as was his way,

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<v Speaker 1>remained polite, but as he hung up the phone, he wondered,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you know that? And as time went on,

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<v Speaker 1>Lawson was troubled by a few other things he discovered

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<v Speaker 1>after the murder. This is what he had to say

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<v Speaker 1>in I learned that one or two firemen, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got trying to check the next details with living two

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<v Speaker 1>firemen who were into fire station across the street Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>torn the little hotel Black fireman were transferred from that

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<v Speaker 1>station in ways that at least those fireman thought was unusual.

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<v Speaker 1>Big contact at me and Ralph Jackson, all with two

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<v Speaker 1>others about their removal. I learned that Ed Reid, who's

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<v Speaker 1>on surveillance from the fire station, was moved an hour before.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned that patrol cars that were in the region

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<v Speaker 1>when he was there patrolling Allberry made but suddenly disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>with Dora. He found, and after James el Ray had

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<v Speaker 1>been captured, more odd things began to pop into Lawson's head.

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<v Speaker 1>When he found out that Ray was being held in

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<v Speaker 1>a cell where the lights were kept on twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours a day. It brought to his mind sleep deprivations

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<v Speaker 1>used by the North Koreans to break American captives. My

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<v Speaker 1>only regret is that I did not then go and

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to visit him in that cell at

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<v Speaker 1>County Jail. As a pastor, I made a series is

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<v Speaker 1>air in not getting acquainted with James el Ray in

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<v Speaker 1>that cell. And when James finally had his day in

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<v Speaker 1>court and pleaded guilty, Lawson was again disturbed. His plea

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<v Speaker 1>astonished me, and it didn't astonished me from his point

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<v Speaker 1>of view. It estonished me from the official legal court

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<v Speaker 1>point of view. Just why would the local police and

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<v Speaker 1>district attorney, in an assassination of a major USA figure

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<v Speaker 1>not moved to have an open child I've come to

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<v Speaker 1>call this Lawson's question. It's a good one. If this

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<v Speaker 1>case is the big slam dunk that the police and

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<v Speaker 1>d A like to say it was, why the big

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<v Speaker 1>push for the plea? Why wouldn't the d A's office

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<v Speaker 1>pursue a trial to prove without a doubt that James

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<v Speaker 1>OL Ray killed Martin Luther King. As you just heard,

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Lawson felt badly about not having visited Ray while

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<v Speaker 1>he was held captive for eight months before his court day.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lawson would make up for that. He visited Ray

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<v Speaker 1>in jail after he was convicted. He came to know

0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Ray in a way few other men did. Lawson even

0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.719
<v Speaker 1>married Ray in jail and at the end sat with

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<v Speaker 1>him as he awaited death. So what was his measure

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<v Speaker 1>of the man? Of course, the motive that was given

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<v Speaker 1>to Ray was that he hated black people so much

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<v Speaker 1>that he escaped from prison with the sole intention of

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<v Speaker 1>murdering doctor King. That was a lie. That was the

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<v Speaker 1>major lie. Now, remember, I've been fighting racism since age tour,

0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:46.000
<v Speaker 1>so I think I do know racism and a white person.

0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:51.679
<v Speaker 1>I visited James O. Ray, and I found ignorance in

0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:57.879
<v Speaker 1>James O. Rae and some illiteracy, and I found elements

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<v Speaker 1>of a poor white man, but I found no races.

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Lawson, do you believe that James el Ray murdered

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<v Speaker 1>your friend Martin Luther King? James el Ray was a

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<v Speaker 1>pond for the official story. Dr King was not assassinated

0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:38.240
<v Speaker 1>by James el Ray. As Reverend Lawson told us, he

0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.639
<v Speaker 1>noticed some strange activity in the Memphis newspapers in the

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<v Speaker 1>week leading up to King's murder, stories attacking King for

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<v Speaker 1>staying at white owned hotels when there was a perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>good black hotel, the Lorraine, that he could have patronized.

0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:57.000
<v Speaker 1>What was this about, Lawson wondered, where was this coming from?

0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.120
<v Speaker 1>There were, of course good reasons for King to stay

0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.960
<v Speaker 1>at the white hotel, to integrate them, for one, and

0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.400
<v Speaker 1>for another, Lawson says, the King's all black security detail

0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.960
<v Speaker 1>like hotels such as the Rivermont or the Admiral Benbo

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<v Speaker 1>with interior access to rooms that they could secure and guard,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of motels like the Lorraine, whose rooms were accessed

0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:22.960
<v Speaker 1>by an open exterior walkway. But whether because of the

0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.960
<v Speaker 1>attacks in the newspapers or because he just chose to

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<v Speaker 1>be there, King was booked into the Lorraine Motel for

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<v Speaker 1>his final visit to Memphis, but at first he was

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<v Speaker 1>booked into room two O two, which had a ground

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<v Speaker 1>floor entry off an interior alcove, and at the last minute,

0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.320
<v Speaker 1>King's room was changed to three oh six, which was

0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.920
<v Speaker 1>reached by the exposed walkway. So the question is why

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<v Speaker 1>was King's room changed? The person best able to answer

0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.520
<v Speaker 1>that question was Lorraine Bailey, the owner with her husband

0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Lorraine Motel. According to an account from Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Pepper's book The Plot to Kill King, on April two,

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<v Speaker 1>the day before King arrived in Memphis, she told her

0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:08.040
<v Speaker 1>husband that she had been visited by someone she described

0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.960
<v Speaker 1>as an SCLC advanced man, who insisted that King be

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.600
<v Speaker 1>moved to a room overlooking the empty motel swimming pool.

0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 1>But as soon as she heard that doctor King had

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<v Speaker 1>been shot, Lorraine Bailey ran to her room screaming, what

0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.399
<v Speaker 1>have I done? She then suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and

0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.439
<v Speaker 1>never regained consciousness. She died a few days later, and

0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the question of who was behind the room changed remained

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a mystery. But this was not the only odd occurrence

0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.840
<v Speaker 1>taking place near the murder site. Reverend Lawson mentioned a

0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.119
<v Speaker 1>few others like the transfer of the only two black

0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:49.480
<v Speaker 1>firemen assigned a fire station number two, or the two's

0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:53.440
<v Speaker 1>as it was called. The fire station overlooked the motel,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot would be happening in and around that firehouse,

0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:00.439
<v Speaker 1>and the two firemen, as the story goes, being black,

0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.600
<v Speaker 1>were thought to be a risk. But what excuse should

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<v Speaker 1>be used to remove them? According to a witness we

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<v Speaker 1>will hear later, it was decided that the easiest thing

0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:11.280
<v Speaker 1>was to say that a threat had been made on

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.959
<v Speaker 1>their lives? Is that what happened? Well, the fireman can

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<v Speaker 1>tell us in their own words as they respond to

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.760
<v Speaker 1>questions by Attorney Bill Pepper, who represented Coretta Scott King

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.440
<v Speaker 1>and the King family at the civil trial in Memphis.

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<v Speaker 1>First is Norville Wallace, who in thirty seven years of

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<v Speaker 1>service attained the rank of captain, which is why Pepper

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<v Speaker 1>refers to him as chief Fouse. You you were employed

0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.760
<v Speaker 1>by the Menda's fire departments, were a number years true

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.920
<v Speaker 1>years from six Moss when she falls? Did you serve

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<v Speaker 1>as the first one day making ses six? I will

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<v Speaker 1>have November where you at any time transferred out of

0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:02.240
<v Speaker 1>that stage? Were transferred out on eight p m. Of

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<v Speaker 1>the night of the killing or the night before the

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.879
<v Speaker 1>night of the pool? And how were you transferred? How

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.439
<v Speaker 1>do you receive your orders to be transferred out without

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.960
<v Speaker 1>receiving from that game? He should add, going be detailed

0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.440
<v Speaker 1>for thirty three was at the airport? This was the

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<v Speaker 1>nine of April third. You were told by your captain

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:26.159
<v Speaker 1>to go out to the airportage in thirty three? She

0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.880
<v Speaker 1>was Did you ever ask what this was all about? Yes?

0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.359
<v Speaker 1>And then what were you told? Told that head in three?

0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.080
<v Speaker 1>And why would you be friend? Was putting out of bires,

0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess, but there was a thread on your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Say so, the education out of the areas, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't get mad here? How many black firemen were

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<v Speaker 1>signed the number two, just you and the lower Boston

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.399
<v Speaker 1>to Obviously we're learning the nine of one of you

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:06.520
<v Speaker 1>were allowed the right and you never received the satisfactory explanatic.

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<v Speaker 1>Say so, Norville Wallace has transferred out of fire station

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<v Speaker 1>number two to a firehouse out of the airport. He

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 1>is told that the transfer was caused by a threat

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 1>upon his life, and Wallace cannot imagine why anyone would

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.639
<v Speaker 1>wish him harm. So take the explanation that Wallace was

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.359
<v Speaker 1>removed because of a threat to his life. This is

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<v Speaker 1>something real or something made up? Because one might think

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.680
<v Speaker 1>if a real threat had been made, details would be

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<v Speaker 1>provided to the threatened person as a matter of responsible conduct.

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:46.680
<v Speaker 1>If you were fireman Wallace, what might you want to know?

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>How do they know about this threat? Where is it

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:53.680
<v Speaker 1>coming from? Who more than the threatened party deserves to

0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:58.320
<v Speaker 1>know these details? But no details are given, no explanation

0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 1>is offered. In fact, the threat is never mentioned again.

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.959
<v Speaker 1>So does this sound like something real or something made up?

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 1>And as Wallace testified, there was another black fireman at

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the two's, Floyd Newsom, and his story as told from

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the same witness stand, it's quite similar to that, Mr Wallace.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you on duty on the fourth of April

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:27.399
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fire station number two at the time of the

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>assass today, I was from Judy, but I wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>number twos. You were not at the number two I

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:38.119
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be. You were supposed to be at

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the number dudes. If you were at another dude, you

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 1>tell the jury y you were not the number two.

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I was that day because Abler ThReD not able. The

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 1>third obviously called home from our internet at that times

0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>the times, who is struck to me? Not your pot?

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Aren't you the number two on our regular duty to

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 1>note the company? But instead they posed two number thirty months.

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>That was that am gold and crossing possibly in the

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>tent at the time of nine. Did you receive this call?

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:21.399
<v Speaker 1>After ten? After ten a fucking night, you received the

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:26.360
<v Speaker 1>call and orders to go to another five? That's right?

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 1>The next step, what was the emergency that caused you

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to be changed? You to be moved to another fire?

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Surely wasted my emergency it was? And when you went

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 1>to that other station in the next stat did you

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.119
<v Speaker 1>find that you were neat? Also, I was not needed

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 1>my leading not company. That's not company after serious and

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 1>that's somebody else's details of my company in my state.

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 1>So you're telling this course that you were surplus to

0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>requirements where you were said that under man your your

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 1>homecom So there's a video. Ever inquired why you were

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:18.400
<v Speaker 1>assigned away from your station? Yes? What did you learn? Much? Times?

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I was transferred about waiting on it about a quick

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 1>So finally you gotta answer to your question, and you

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 1>were told that you were transferred at the request of

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the Memphis Colsia before any opinion your own about why

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 1>you were transferred, not really, I just know it was

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 1>very unusually necessary, so it had to be done for

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:54.239
<v Speaker 1>some reason. I don't know the reason. And as if

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>there weren't enough strange things going on at the twos

0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>that day, there was something else, some thing that Reverend

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Lawson didn't know about, nor did anyone else, because no

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 1>one in the murder investigation had interviewed Carthel Weeden, the

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>chief of fire Station number two, about what he saw

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 1>that day. Years later, Weedon would come forward and say

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that the morning of the murder, he was approached by

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>two men who flashed army I d and asked to

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<v Speaker 1>be placed on the roof of the firehouse where they

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 1>could photograph the Lorrain Motel. This is Chief Weedon telling

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:31.880
<v Speaker 1>his account of what happened that morning on April fourth. Yea,

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>they have the assassination. Were you approached by to Morrow Lawson?

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>That's what he indicated to the time. Show you any

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.680
<v Speaker 1>military identification? Well, I'm sure the dear I want to

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>hear about there for that. You know, we have a

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of people coming in and that you know, and

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 1>what did they ask you to do? They wanted to

0:27:55.760 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 1>look out for dance, right, okay? They wanted if they

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>want an advantage point in a rent these arm rolls

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>And did you put them somewhere? I put them on

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the roof to the No. To fire station? You put

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 1>these army officers on the roof for the number two

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:21.479
<v Speaker 1>fire stations on fourth of Agos ninetiess year? And were

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>they carrying anything? They had great case station? Did you

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>come to learn that it was in those Greek place?

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Did they tell you that one was in the brief

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>phase they said they wanted to banage point or doing

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>so to photographic where rats you came to believe that

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:47.239
<v Speaker 1>they had camera equipment in those Well that's what they

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>they indicate in doing. I placed the motor root when

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>they yet did you see the leaves? Ris Ween? Has

0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>many law enforcement officers ever asked you about about that?

0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Any rich nobody's ever saw him? To you, this is

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>a simple story, but curious why would two men flashing

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>army I d asked to go to the roof of

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the firehouse so they could photograph the area around the

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Lorraine Motel. Unjust what happened to be the day that

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King was shot? Who were these men what

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 1>were they doing that day? And if there were an

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>innocent explanation, why haven't these men come forward? And where

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>are the photographs that they presumably took. In the previous segment,

0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>we heard the accounts of the two black firemen who

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>were removed from the critically located fire station number two,

0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and from the former chief of that station who told

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>up bringing two men up to the roof so they

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>could photograph the area around the Lorraine Motel. This on

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>a morning where he said a lot of people were

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>coming and going, but something darker still appeared to be

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>taking place within the Memphis Police Department. On his previous

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>visits to Memphis in nineteen sixty eight, Martin Luther King

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>was met and guarded by a special detail of black

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 1>police officers. Reverend Lawson told us of how he was

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>at the airport waiting for doctor King the first time

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 1>that unit made their appearance. He told us how their commander,

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Captain Jerry Williams, promised to keep King safe, but according

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>to Lawson, on King's final visit to that troubled city,

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Williams strangely did not receive the order to form his unit.

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>This is what Captain Williams had to say about it

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>years later, responding to the questions of Attorney Bill Peppers,

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and he bously gonna police department. Actually was how long

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>were you? Was very honest later? When years? And what

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>were you doing in nineteen sevens? At that time I

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>was assigned to them as sign and I would be

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of security party Police department and then women

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>have celebrities or some daystarious accompts to numbers. Kevin Williams,

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>um were you assigned to provide security for Dr Martin

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Luther King whenever he came to Men, Well, for the

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>first two times that he came to my knowledge, I

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>was assigned. I have a very time. I was not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the Earth assiseration, the you assassination in eight

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>and tell us how you would put together? How about

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>security unit that you've had people together? Inspected Dunston, the

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>old security supervisor. He would call me and asked me

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to select a group of officers, possibly nine. I would

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 1>help about sister tatives through you and the coming in.

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Would you stay with doctor King throughout his visit? When yes,

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>how would you provide security? Point? Well, we would get

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 1>his continerary. When you come to the Memphis we would

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 1>meet at the tail port. When he did planned it

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>would be right with him. We would following him to

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>his hotel. If he would go to church first was

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>we would lead to details of the church. Where did

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>he stay overnight? When on one ocagent who stayed up

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>to river, wont and your unit would protect him and

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 1>from my secur to that, yes, or we would go

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in and check the rooms, make sure the telephone on about,

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>check under the bed to check the over where. Then

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I was signed to the officers building the outside of

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 1>this door. We would take times about every two hours

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and would do that. All right, love now and Dr

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>King's lost visit to menis were you asked to form

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>this usual security unit? You know? So you were not?

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Was not? Why were you not absolutely formed at security

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>unit on the lost n So? I don't know. I

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 1>was just alled as somebody as within the assignment when

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>they lack office and label white officers. Did you ever

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 1>ask any questions as to why you weren't something well,

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I did later on altimary timent. But after the assassination,

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>in the aftermath the assassination, while you still were a

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 1>certain officer, did you ever raise that question with any

0:33:54.560 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>on the inside the department, no income wait at the

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>most house black officers, and we didn't took the vers

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>as to why. But nobody knew why. You know, you

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.359
<v Speaker 1>have to realize at that time to tell you, when

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>we used to go, plakers were very supergated. There's a

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.479
<v Speaker 1>lot of I still the situation of change formatically since

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 1>then black people was only talking to black people. White

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>people gone talking the white people. So a lot I

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>still have tea. I don't know, my Woodpool, I just

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't know what the answer that since

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 1>factor gave me was. But you ask, and I just

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:40.399
<v Speaker 1>know who wasn't working on that pay and you were

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>not in a position as an officer in the departments

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:47.479
<v Speaker 1>and black home really be able to ask any money

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and require an anser wrest. But there was a black

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 1>police detective who was working that day. His name was

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 1>ed Reddit and with this black partner, patrolman Willie Richmond,

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 1>he met doctor King at the airport on April third,

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>as an auxiliary to the official security detail that included

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the white officers under Inspector Smith the police. Smith and

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.240
<v Speaker 1>his men in one car and read it and Richmond

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 1>and another escorted King to the Lorraine Motel read it

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>and Richmond were not part of the official detail, so

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.879
<v Speaker 1>after they arrived they went up to the firehouse, where

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 1>from a back window they looked out at the Lorraine.

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 1>They were not so much guarding King as putting him

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 1>under surveillance, making notes as to who came and went.

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 1>It's not clear where Smith's all White details stationed themselves

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>that day. Bill Pepper thinks they mostly hung out at

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the motel office reading newspapers, but we don't know that.

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 1>What we do know is that Smith called headquarters at

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.720
<v Speaker 1>five p m. Asking for permission to end their watch

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>despite numerous and credible threats to King's life. The officers

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>were sent home without any one replacing them, and the

0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:00.399
<v Speaker 1>security detail did not return the next day, the day

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Dr King was murdered, but Reddit did return to his

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>post at the firehouse. On the morning of April four,

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Reddit said there was no sign of Smith or his detail.

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Sometime in the late morning, Willie Richmond rejoined Reddit, but

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it would be a rather strange afternoon. What follows his

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>detective Reddit on the witness stand, answering the questions of

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Bill Pepper, Well, you serve as officer me where did

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you becoming a police Munity Relations officer SA as a

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:38.839
<v Speaker 1>police munity relations officer on your duties. Well, but when

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>we started there was nothing written about us. For we

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.800
<v Speaker 1>developed our long methods and ways of getting this community,

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and it was how do we get the community through

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:52.919
<v Speaker 1>the response to understanding word of us. At the sign

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>of the Sanentation workers strike, were you still working with

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the community and you said involved with amusingly, how did

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>you related the events of going on? Well, I was

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>somewhat pool out to kind of surveyor serve. I thought

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>it sabailas I was given then cop mons do, but

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a bit necessary, and I think

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the whole background idea was too to observe or to

0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 1>find out anyone who made me come into the city

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.959
<v Speaker 1>to disrupt it. That gives you any problems in terms

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 1>of your relationship you had in the community because you've

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>been working with the community and moving into the world,

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:40.360
<v Speaker 1>No one, that's intelligence. We're gett see the contrete everybody

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>you will be And I'm going about it now that

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>there come a time when you were assigned to a

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:51.919
<v Speaker 1>a specific detail at the fire station. Firevation number two.

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 1>What it is about the sibers one that out of

0:37:55.960 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 1>side on hand that I had noticed something was unusual

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>about all right again Rant King, and I noticed there

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:10.359
<v Speaker 1>was nobody else there in the past when we were

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 1>signed about the team. We stayed with him, guarding him

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 1>up down steps and stayed with it. Nobody with him.

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>So I went to cross the street at the fire

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 1>department because we're coming in, and observed greet and I

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>wish he did and who accompanied you? In the will

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:30.920
<v Speaker 1>of the Richmond. He took up a position uh in

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the fire station on the third of April, and from

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 1>the rear of the fire station people were able to

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 1>see the Lorraine would tell about clear and did you

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 1>return with Officer Richmond the next the next day we

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 1>were the next day, as we learned from Station Chief wheten,

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the firehouse was alive with people not normally there. By

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:58.319
<v Speaker 1>official count, there were thirteen policemen inside the firehouse when

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:02.200
<v Speaker 1>King was murdered thirty, but read it was not one

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>of them, because at some time near five o'clock, Lieutenant

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Arkin showed up and told Reddit that the boss wanted

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:12.399
<v Speaker 1>to see him down at headquarters. What four He wouldn't say,

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>So Reddit went with Arkan and Richmond was left still

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 1>watching out the window. When Reddit arrived at headquarters, he

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>was shown to a conference room and was stunned by

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>what he saw. It was like a meeting of the

0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 1>choint chiefs of staff. He said. In this room were

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the heads and seconds of every law enforcement operation in

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the area, Sheriff, highway patrol, army, intelligence, national Guard, you

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 1>name it, it was in the room. Then read it,

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>said the chief. Holloman approached and pointed to a man

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.480
<v Speaker 1>in civilian clothes who he said was with the Secret Service.

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Holloman said this man had flown in from Washington that

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 1>day with news that a contract had been taken out

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 1>on Redditt's life, and that Reddit had to go home immediately.

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Reddit found the scene utterly surreal. Who takes out a

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.279
<v Speaker 1>contract on a lowly police detective and who would fly

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 1>from Washington with such news? And what would the Secret

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Service have to do with it? Returning to Reddit's testimony

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:15.759
<v Speaker 1>at the civil trial, a group of man and I

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 1>was a man once to survive inside the holms. That

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 1>was a man there who had just falling in and

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>that was CONTRACTE. I was going home totally have that.

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 1>It was basically to go back to where I was

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to take care of what the director HOMEO had three

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>bar argamentations about you going home anyway, It's my job

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to take into arm take home. Reddit said he was

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.000
<v Speaker 1>kept at home for the next week, then he was

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 1>told he could return to work. The whole thing was

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>said to be a mix up. The threat was actually

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>on some other black police detective in Knoxville. So detective Reddit,

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>though apparently not the ject of a real contract, was

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the third black man removed from the fire station in

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 1>two days, and the second man removed because of reported

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>threat upon his life. A dangerous time to be working

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 1>at the two's. So a lot of strange stuff going on.

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>And if you lived in Memphis when King was killed

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 1>and we're paying attention like Reverend Lawson, you may have

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>been aware of these odd stories. But most people in

0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:28.240
<v Speaker 1>America were not. And in part this was because James

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 1>el Ray never had a trial, though according to Ray

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 1>and many others, he wanted a trial and always insisted

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:39.399
<v Speaker 1>that he did not shoot Martin Luther King. You heard

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the voices of the men in these stories because we

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 1>jumped ahead thirty years to the civil trial. A lawsuit

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>for wrongful death brought in Memphis and by Coretta Scott King.

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>She no longer believed the official version of her husband's murder,

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and she wanted the evidence of that crime as incomplete

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 1>as it was to be recorded in a courtful law

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.280
<v Speaker 1>so the people coming later could read what the witnesses

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>had to say, or in our case here what they

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>had to say. But we really haven't gone anywhere. We're

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>still in Memphis in nineteen sixty eight looking at some

0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 1>of the strange things that went down the day King

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 1>was killed. We've got fifty years of revelations still in

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>front of us, and that's how this story will continue

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 1>to emerge, piece by piece, year by year, as we

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>hear people overcome their fear or surrender to their conscience.

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 1>So what you've just heard is for openers, for background,

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and as ominous as it all sounds, it's possible that

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 1>there are reasonable explanations for some or all of these events.

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 1>And none of these stories by themselves or even collectively,

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 1>proves that there was conspiracy to murder Dr King. But

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>if these events were table setting for a murder, then

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the finger of guilt would point back to those with

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 1>the power to make these strange things happen. But one

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 1>thing we do know is that these events could not

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.280
<v Speaker 1>have been the doing of James el Ray, who drifted

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 1>into Memphis for the very first time just a few

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>hours before Dr King was shot. What is his story?

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Who or what brought him to Memphis and where was

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:18.399
<v Speaker 1>he when Dr King was killed? Well, James el Ray

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:22.520
<v Speaker 1>will tell you himself, but be warned it's no simple town.

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Next time. On the email K tapes we received a

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>letter dear Mr Haynes, I'm here in jail. I've been

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 1>accused of a murderer. I don't know anything about it.

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Will you please come help me. No, he never did

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:47.279
<v Speaker 1>have no hostility towards any race, not only Blacks, but

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Hispanics or anybody. And we said a lads together and

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.720
<v Speaker 1>he was all maybe, he was all happy and as

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>he had money money on him, so he said, I'm

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 1>going out to berminghended by a late Laul parts you

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 1>have this, he said, I'm working up a Mr. Rawl

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>sadly remember how the rawle came And I'm working for

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.399
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Row or something like that. A boat

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 1>came all the radio saying that the Reverend Martin Laus

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.919
<v Speaker 1>kame and shops so I didn't take too much cant

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 1>on that, but I kept on driving and wasn't too

0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.360
<v Speaker 1>long you have thought. He said, Uh, they were looking

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.399
<v Speaker 1>for a white man and white mustang. And the next

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the shooting my dad, James will really and uh,

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>We're sitting on the floor of that shower stall. And

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.879
<v Speaker 1>the first thing out of anybody's mouth was my dad

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 1>looking at this client of ours and say, who are you?

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:46.720
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