1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the m l K Tapes, a production of 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: expressed in this podcast are solely those of the podcast 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: author for individuals participating in the podcast, and do not 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: represent those of iHeart Media, Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: Listener discretion is advised. In nineteen sixty six, James Meredith, 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: the first person of color to integrate the University of Mississippi, 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: decided to go on a two hundred mile march from Memphis, Tennessee, 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: to Jackson, Mississippi. He called it a walk against fear, 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: and it was meant to encourage black men and women 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: to register to vote. On the second day out on 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: the road, Meredith was ambushed and wounded by a white 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: man with a shotgun. Meredith was rushed back to a 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: hospital in Memphis, his wounds not serious. The following morning, 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King flew in to see him, and the 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: Reverend James Lawson, pastor and civil rights leader in Memphis, 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: drove out to the airport to pick him up. I 18 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: was met on the concourse by a couple of black 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: police officers who were dressed in suits and ties, white 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: shirts and ties. They informed me there will be no 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: violence in Memphis and King is going to be safe 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: in Memphis. Claud Armor, the Commissioner of Fire and Police. 23 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: He is appointed eight officers of the police force in 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: Memphis to work with him and accompany him as a 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: security unit. For nineteen sixty six on Dr King's office 26 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: cooperated with that black security squad of eight men. They're 27 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: the ones who would not allow him to stay at 28 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: any hotel with balcony sea. They wanted him to be 29 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: inside where they could not keep the scenery clear. Was 30 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: that unit assigned to him on his final visit to Memphis, 31 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: that all black unit. No, it was withdrawn. That security 32 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: union was reassigned. I called the union hall. I said, 33 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: a matter of life and death. I said, I think 34 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: these people are planning to kill Dr King. The authorities 35 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: were parade. Oh, we found a gun, the James L. 36 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: Raybod in Birmingham that killed Dr King. Except it wasn't 37 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: the gun that killed Dr King. James Lvy was upon 38 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: for the official story from My Heart radio intender for TV. 39 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: The plan was to get King to the city because 40 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: they wanted it handled in Memphis. Were dead in incate 41 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: hamon and I have lived with us alone, monsieur, and 42 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: they they skied for me. The Lord told me to 43 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: not the word. I've been wanting to tell it all 44 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: my life. I'm Bill Clayburg and this is d MLK tapes. 45 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: Reverend Lawson was a good friend of Martin Luther King, 46 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: and he was one of the first to question the 47 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: official story of the assassination. Lawson will tell us how 48 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: he came to know doctor King and about the things 49 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: he learned that created doubt about the murder. Then we'll 50 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: hear from people who were in Memphis that faithful day 51 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: and how what they experienced spoke to the very things 52 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: that troubled Reverend Lawson. At the time of King's murder, 53 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: Lawson was the pastor of the Sentinary Methodist Church in Memphis. Lawson, 54 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: like King, was a third generation minister, and he decided 55 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: to fight for racial justice at an early age. When 56 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: he was just twenty two, he sent to federal prison 57 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: for refusing induction into the army. Lawson was locked up 58 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: for a year and then went to India as a missionary. 59 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: It was while he was in India that Laws and 60 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: learned of the Montgomery bus boycott. We spoke last summer. 61 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: The Montgomery bus boycott was on the top news all 62 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: across India the early part of December nine. I'm sitting 63 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: at my desk in my apartment in no for India, 64 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: and the immediate headline that caught my eye in my 65 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: life Negroes in Montgomery Boycott. I knew as I finished 66 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: my term in nineteen fifty six that I were really 67 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: going to return to home and would be involved in 68 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: that campaign. I didn't know where or what, or when 69 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: or who, but I knew it was going to happen, 70 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: and it did happened. Lawson met King when he got 71 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: back from India, where he had studied the life and 72 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: methods of Mahatma Gandhi. King was impressed. He urged me, 73 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: and I can't remember all the words, but he said, 74 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: come now, don't wait. We don't have anyone like you 75 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: in the South, and we need your experience, We need 76 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: your work and help. So Lawson went south, where he 77 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: would lead the lunch counter sit ins in Nashville and 78 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: be arrested as a freedom writer in Jackson, Mississippi. He 79 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: then became the pastor at the Centenary Methodist Church and 80 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: in the summer of six, he joined a group of 81 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: ministers that went to Vietnam to make a report, a 82 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: report critical of the war that he personally sent to 83 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King. Less than two years after you made 84 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: that report, Dr King then made his speech at Riverside Church, 85 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: the speech that shocked the nation fourth nineteen seven. And 86 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: I knew that I'm America would never invest the necessary 87 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: funds are images in rehabilitation of its poor so long 88 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills 89 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: and money. So I was increasingly compelled to see the 90 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: war as an enemy of the poor and to attack 91 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: it as such. King's opposition to the war might have 92 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: sounded like a practical matter. Money spent on military adventures 93 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: abroad could not be used to help people at home. 94 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: But underneath there was a powerful moral argument that went 95 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: much deeper. We were taking the black young men who 96 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: had been crippled by our society in sending them eight 97 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: thousand miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which 98 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: they had not found in Southwest Georgia and East Holland. 99 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: Did you concur in that speech? Did you agree with 100 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: Dr King? Oh? Absolutely? But his speech was not very 101 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: well received by the overall American media and some people 102 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: in the civil rights movement as well. Is that not true. 103 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: That's true. We knew in our conversations the extent to 104 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: which they would say he had no business talking about 105 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: which causes the idiocy of our conventional wisdom. In the 106 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: United States, we think that preachers ought not to talk 107 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: about evil. In ninety eight, Memphis, racial tensions were high. 108 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: There were a few decent employment opportunities to open the 109 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: black citizens. Only the most menial work, and that was 110 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: always Underpaidred sanitation workers were the textbook case. A day 111 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: after filthy work, black workers were not allowed to shower 112 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: and change clothes at the garage, but the way workers 113 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: were if it was raining, they were sent home without pay, 114 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: while their white drivers were allowed to go back to 115 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: the garage, play cards and stay on the payroll. There 116 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: were constant humiliations, and if you objected to any of it, 117 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: you'd be fired. On April one, two black workers in 118 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: Cole Cole and Robert Walker hopped into the back of 119 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: their garbage truck to get out of the rain. It's 120 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: trash compactor supposedly malfunctioned, switching on and they were crushed 121 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: to death, and if the horror of that were not enough, 122 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: the wives and families of the two men were barely compensated. 123 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: It was the last straw, and the sanitation workers walked 124 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: off the job. The city of Memphis declared the strike 125 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: illegal and refused to discuss the workers concerns, and about 126 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: all the workers could do was march and attend rallies. 127 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: This is Reverend Lawson describing what happened during one peaceful 128 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: march that he was leading, a march he had cleared 129 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: with police Chief Holliman. We were walking on the right 130 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: side of the street going south, and these cars came 131 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: from the side streets on the main street and rolled 132 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: up all alongside of us, so that there was a 133 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: long line of police cars, perhaps the length of the walk. 134 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: Then I noticed some of the cars coming over the 135 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: yellow line and trying to intimidate some of us walking. 136 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: So I turned around and went to the couple of 137 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: the race cars and said, now, look, we had Holloman's 138 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: permission to walk. You guys have designed to provoke an incident, 139 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: so stay where you are. And then it happened again. 140 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: They moved over on the marchers, and this time the 141 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: sanitation workers put their hands in the car, and like that, 142 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: the police cars all of it. Now that line stopped. 143 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: Officers poured out of the cars with cans of the 144 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: base and seated the mace everybody they could place. They 145 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: had some targets they dragged off to a vikingople out 146 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: the river. By how many I had glasses on, So 147 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: they're mad in face. But the march was broken up 148 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: in that fashion. But as the strike entered its second month, 149 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: it moved into something more threatening even than police violence. 150 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: There were now families with no savings and no income 151 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: and no way to put food on the table. The 152 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: strikers badly needed outside help, national attention. So Reverend Lawson 153 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: asked his friend Martin Luther King to come to Memphis 154 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: and speak at a rally. And they were standing room 155 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: only in that meeting. So I suspect that we probably 156 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: had as many as ten the twelve thousand people in 157 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: that sanctuary and in that building. I picked up Dr 158 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: King at the airport and we had to walk through 159 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: mobs of people who were overjoyed that Martin King was 160 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: in Memphis for this strike. So this is a very 161 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: powerful moment for him and for us in the euphoria 162 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: that followed a speech, King agreed to come back to 163 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: Memphis and join in a protest march. When the day came, 164 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: King's plane was delayed and he was a little late 165 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: in getting there. The march began, and King and his 166 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: people arrived and took their place near the front of 167 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: the marchers. But things were not going well. When I 168 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: turned on the main street, I saw just beyond our 169 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: first rank of marshals, who were maybe fifty yards ahead 170 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: of us, I saw in front of them police officers 171 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: in riot deer stretched across that main street in ranks 172 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: of three or four ranks on the side of the street. 173 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: But we're trying to break the store windows. No police 174 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: officer moved to stop them, So I said to myself, 175 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: they are planning again to break up this march. Knowing 176 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: what was coming next, Lawson ran back and demanded that 177 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: King of this party retire. They're coming to get you, Martin, 178 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: he said, and we don't want that. King objected at first, 179 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: but then agreed, and his party retired to the Rivermont 180 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: Hotel with the honest help of a nearby police car. 181 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: Later last in another strike, leaders examined photos that were 182 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: taken that day. According to them, the windows smashing and 183 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: looting had not been done by the marchers, but rather 184 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: by some Beal street low lifes and others they didn't know. 185 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: As we heard at the beginning of the episode, from 186 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: the time of the Meredith shooting forward, King had an 187 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: all black security unit when it came to Memphis, but 188 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: for some reason, on the King's final visit to the city, 189 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: that unit was not called on to protect him. Instead, 190 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: a police detail of four officers under the command of 191 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: Inspector Donald Smith met doctor King at the airport and 192 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: escorted him to the Lorraine Motel, where they remained on 193 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: duty till five in the afternoon. But none of them 194 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: were black, and none of them returned the next day, 195 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: April four, the day the King was murdered. Late in 196 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: the afternoon of April four, Lawson went to the motel 197 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: to report to doctor King about his day in court, 198 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: fighting successfully, as it turned out, for the right to march. 199 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: Lawson left King at around five pm. He was home 200 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: having dinner with his wife when he got the news 201 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: that doctor King had been shot. He then dashed around 202 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: the city trying to keep things calm. But several days 203 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: later he got a strange package in the mail. I 204 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: received the brown envelope and on the inside of it 205 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: the invisible tape. It was wrapped around a bullet. It 206 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: had scribbled on the sheet of paper to the bullet 207 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: woods attached, there is one of these for you. Lawson 208 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: didn't tell anyone other than his wife about the package. 209 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: But a few days later we got a call on 210 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: some matter from police Chief Holloman, and towards the end 211 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: of the conversation, Holloman said, we understand that you received 212 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: the package in the mail. Lawson, as was his way, 213 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: remained polite, but as he hung up the phone, he wondered, 214 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: how did you know that? And as time went on, 215 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: Lawson was troubled by a few other things he discovered 216 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: after the murder. This is what he had to say 217 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: in I learned that one or two firemen, and I 218 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: got trying to check the next details with living two 219 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: firemen who were into fire station across the street Kenny 220 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: torn the little hotel Black fireman were transferred from that 221 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: station in ways that at least those fireman thought was unusual. 222 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Big contact at me and Ralph Jackson, all with two 223 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: others about their removal. I learned that Ed Reid, who's 224 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: on surveillance from the fire station, was moved an hour before. 225 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: I learned that patrol cars that were in the region 226 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: when he was there patrolling Allberry made but suddenly disappeared 227 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: with Dora. He found, and after James el Ray had 228 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: been captured, more odd things began to pop into Lawson's head. 229 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: When he found out that Ray was being held in 230 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: a cell where the lights were kept on twenty four 231 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: hours a day. It brought to his mind sleep deprivations 232 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: used by the North Koreans to break American captives. My 233 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: only regret is that I did not then go and 234 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: find a way to visit him in that cell at 235 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: County Jail. As a pastor, I made a series is 236 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: air in not getting acquainted with James el Ray in 237 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: that cell. And when James finally had his day in 238 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: court and pleaded guilty, Lawson was again disturbed. His plea 239 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: astonished me, and it didn't astonished me from his point 240 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: of view. It estonished me from the official legal court 241 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: point of view. Just why would the local police and 242 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: district attorney, in an assassination of a major USA figure 243 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: not moved to have an open child I've come to 244 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: call this Lawson's question. It's a good one. If this 245 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: case is the big slam dunk that the police and 246 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: d A like to say it was, why the big 247 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: push for the plea? Why wouldn't the d A's office 248 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: pursue a trial to prove without a doubt that James 249 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: OL Ray killed Martin Luther King. As you just heard, 250 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: Reverend Lawson felt badly about not having visited Ray while 251 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: he was held captive for eight months before his court day. 252 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: The Lawson would make up for that. He visited Ray 253 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: in jail after he was convicted. He came to know 254 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: Ray in a way few other men did. Lawson even 255 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 1: married Ray in jail and at the end sat with 256 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: him as he awaited death. So what was his measure 257 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: of the man? Of course, the motive that was given 258 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: to Ray was that he hated black people so much 259 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: that he escaped from prison with the sole intention of 260 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: murdering doctor King. That was a lie. That was the 261 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: major lie. Now, remember, I've been fighting racism since age tour, 262 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: so I think I do know racism and a white person. 263 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: I visited James O. Ray, and I found ignorance in 264 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: James O. Rae and some illiteracy, and I found elements 265 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: of a poor white man, but I found no races. 266 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: Reverend Lawson, do you believe that James el Ray murdered 267 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: your friend Martin Luther King? James el Ray was a 268 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: pond for the official story. Dr King was not assassinated 269 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: by James el Ray. As Reverend Lawson told us, he 270 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: noticed some strange activity in the Memphis newspapers in the 271 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: week leading up to King's murder, stories attacking King for 272 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: staying at white owned hotels when there was a perfectly 273 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: good black hotel, the Lorraine, that he could have patronized. 274 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: What was this about, Lawson wondered, where was this coming from? 275 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: There were, of course good reasons for King to stay 276 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: at the white hotel, to integrate them, for one, and 277 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: for another, Lawson says, the King's all black security detail 278 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: like hotels such as the Rivermont or the Admiral Benbo 279 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: with interior access to rooms that they could secure and guard, 280 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: instead of motels like the Lorraine, whose rooms were accessed 281 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: by an open exterior walkway. But whether because of the 282 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: attacks in the newspapers or because he just chose to 283 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: be there, King was booked into the Lorraine Motel for 284 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: his final visit to Memphis, but at first he was 285 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: booked into room two O two, which had a ground 286 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: floor entry off an interior alcove, and at the last minute, 287 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: King's room was changed to three oh six, which was 288 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: reached by the exposed walkway. So the question is why 289 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: was King's room changed? The person best able to answer 290 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: that question was Lorraine Bailey, the owner with her husband 291 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: of the Lorraine Motel. According to an account from Bill 292 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: Pepper's book The Plot to Kill King, on April two, 293 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: the day before King arrived in Memphis, she told her 294 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: husband that she had been visited by someone she described 295 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: as an SCLC advanced man, who insisted that King be 296 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: moved to a room overlooking the empty motel swimming pool. 297 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: But as soon as she heard that doctor King had 298 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: been shot, Lorraine Bailey ran to her room screaming, what 299 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: have I done? She then suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and 300 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: never regained consciousness. She died a few days later, and 301 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: the question of who was behind the room changed remained 302 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: a mystery. But this was not the only odd occurrence 303 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: taking place near the murder site. Reverend Lawson mentioned a 304 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: few others like the transfer of the only two black 305 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: firemen assigned a fire station number two, or the two's 306 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: as it was called. The fire station overlooked the motel, 307 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: and a lot would be happening in and around that firehouse, 308 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: and the two firemen, as the story goes, being black, 309 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: were thought to be a risk. But what excuse should 310 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: be used to remove them? According to a witness we 311 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: will hear later, it was decided that the easiest thing 312 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: was to say that a threat had been made on 313 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: their lives? Is that what happened? Well, the fireman can 314 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: tell us in their own words as they respond to 315 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: questions by Attorney Bill Pepper, who represented Coretta Scott King 316 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: and the King family at the civil trial in Memphis. 317 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: First is Norville Wallace, who in thirty seven years of 318 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: service attained the rank of captain, which is why Pepper 319 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: refers to him as chief Fouse. You you were employed 320 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: by the Menda's fire departments, were a number years true 321 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: years from six Moss when she falls? Did you serve 322 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: as the first one day making ses six? I will 323 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: have November where you at any time transferred out of 324 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: that stage? Were transferred out on eight p m. Of 325 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: the night of the killing or the night before the 326 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: night of the pool? And how were you transferred? How 327 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: do you receive your orders to be transferred out without 328 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: receiving from that game? He should add, going be detailed 329 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: for thirty three was at the airport? This was the 330 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: nine of April third. You were told by your captain 331 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: to go out to the airportage in thirty three? She 332 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: was Did you ever ask what this was all about? Yes? 333 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: And then what were you told? Told that head in three? 334 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: And why would you be friend? Was putting out of bires, 335 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: I guess, but there was a thread on your life. 336 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: Say so, the education out of the areas, that's what 337 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: it doesn't get mad here? How many black firemen were 338 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: signed the number two, just you and the lower Boston 339 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: to Obviously we're learning the nine of one of you 340 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: were allowed the right and you never received the satisfactory explanatic. 341 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: Say so, Norville Wallace has transferred out of fire station 342 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: number two to a firehouse out of the airport. He 343 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: is told that the transfer was caused by a threat 344 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: upon his life, and Wallace cannot imagine why anyone would 345 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: wish him harm. So take the explanation that Wallace was 346 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: removed because of a threat to his life. This is 347 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: something real or something made up? Because one might think 348 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: if a real threat had been made, details would be 349 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: provided to the threatened person as a matter of responsible conduct. 350 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: If you were fireman Wallace, what might you want to know? 351 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: How do they know about this threat? Where is it 352 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: coming from? Who more than the threatened party deserves to 353 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: know these details? But no details are given, no explanation 354 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: is offered. In fact, the threat is never mentioned again. 355 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: So does this sound like something real or something made up? 356 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: And as Wallace testified, there was another black fireman at 357 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: the two's, Floyd Newsom, and his story as told from 358 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: the same witness stand, it's quite similar to that, Mr Wallace. 359 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: Where are you on duty on the fourth of April 360 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: nineteen fire station number two at the time of the 361 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: assass today, I was from Judy, but I wasn't the 362 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: number twos. You were not at the number two I 363 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: was supposed to be. You were supposed to be at 364 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: the number dudes. If you were at another dude, you 365 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: tell the jury y you were not the number two. 366 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: I was that day because Abler ThReD not able. The 367 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: third obviously called home from our internet at that times 368 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: the times, who is struck to me? Not your pot? 369 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: Aren't you the number two on our regular duty to 370 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: note the company? But instead they posed two number thirty months. 371 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: That was that am gold and crossing possibly in the 372 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: tent at the time of nine. Did you receive this call? 373 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: After ten? After ten a fucking night, you received the 374 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: call and orders to go to another five? That's right? 375 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: The next step, what was the emergency that caused you 376 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: to be changed? You to be moved to another fire? 377 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: Surely wasted my emergency it was? And when you went 378 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: to that other station in the next stat did you 379 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: find that you were neat? Also, I was not needed 380 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: my leading not company. That's not company after serious and 381 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: that's somebody else's details of my company in my state. 382 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: So you're telling this course that you were surplus to 383 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: requirements where you were said that under man your your 384 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: homecom So there's a video. Ever inquired why you were 385 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: assigned away from your station? Yes? What did you learn? Much? Times? 386 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: I was transferred about waiting on it about a quick 387 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: So finally you gotta answer to your question, and you 388 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: were told that you were transferred at the request of 389 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: the Memphis Colsia before any opinion your own about why 390 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: you were transferred, not really, I just know it was 391 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: very unusually necessary, so it had to be done for 392 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 1: some reason. I don't know the reason. And as if 393 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: there weren't enough strange things going on at the twos 394 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: that day, there was something else, some thing that Reverend 395 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: Lawson didn't know about, nor did anyone else, because no 396 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: one in the murder investigation had interviewed Carthel Weeden, the 397 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: chief of fire Station number two, about what he saw 398 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: that day. Years later, Weedon would come forward and say 399 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: that the morning of the murder, he was approached by 400 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: two men who flashed army I d and asked to 401 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: be placed on the roof of the firehouse where they 402 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: could photograph the Lorrain Motel. This is Chief Weedon telling 403 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: his account of what happened that morning on April fourth. Yea, 404 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: they have the assassination. Were you approached by to Morrow Lawson? 405 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: That's what he indicated to the time. Show you any 406 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: military identification? Well, I'm sure the dear I want to 407 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: hear about there for that. You know, we have a 408 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: lot of people coming in and that you know, and 409 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: what did they ask you to do? They wanted to 410 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: look out for dance, right, okay? They wanted if they 411 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: want an advantage point in a rent these arm rolls 412 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: And did you put them somewhere? I put them on 413 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: the roof to the No. To fire station? You put 414 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: these army officers on the roof for the number two 415 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: fire stations on fourth of Agos ninetiess year? And were 416 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: they carrying anything? They had great case station? Did you 417 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: come to learn that it was in those Greek place? 418 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: Did they tell you that one was in the brief 419 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: phase they said they wanted to banage point or doing 420 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: so to photographic where rats you came to believe that 421 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 1: they had camera equipment in those Well that's what they 422 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: they indicate in doing. I placed the motor root when 423 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: they yet did you see the leaves? Ris Ween? Has 424 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: many law enforcement officers ever asked you about about that? 425 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: Any rich nobody's ever saw him? To you, this is 426 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: a simple story, but curious why would two men flashing 427 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: army I d asked to go to the roof of 428 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: the firehouse so they could photograph the area around the 429 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: Lorraine Motel. Unjust what happened to be the day that 430 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King was shot? Who were these men what 431 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: were they doing that day? And if there were an 432 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: innocent explanation, why haven't these men come forward? And where 433 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: are the photographs that they presumably took. In the previous segment, 434 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: we heard the accounts of the two black firemen who 435 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: were removed from the critically located fire station number two, 436 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: and from the former chief of that station who told 437 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: up bringing two men up to the roof so they 438 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: could photograph the area around the Lorraine Motel. This on 439 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: a morning where he said a lot of people were 440 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: coming and going, but something darker still appeared to be 441 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: taking place within the Memphis Police Department. On his previous 442 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: visits to Memphis in nineteen sixty eight, Martin Luther King 443 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: was met and guarded by a special detail of black 444 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: police officers. Reverend Lawson told us of how he was 445 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: at the airport waiting for doctor King the first time 446 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: that unit made their appearance. He told us how their commander, 447 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: Captain Jerry Williams, promised to keep King safe, but according 448 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: to Lawson, on King's final visit to that troubled city, 449 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: Williams strangely did not receive the order to form his unit. 450 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: This is what Captain Williams had to say about it 451 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: years later, responding to the questions of Attorney Bill Peppers, 452 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: and he bously gonna police department. Actually was how long 453 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: were you? Was very honest later? When years? And what 454 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: were you doing in nineteen sevens? At that time I 455 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: was assigned to them as sign and I would be 456 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: in charge of security party Police department and then women 457 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: have celebrities or some daystarious accompts to numbers. Kevin Williams, 458 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: um were you assigned to provide security for Dr Martin 459 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: Luther King whenever he came to Men, Well, for the 460 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: first two times that he came to my knowledge, I 461 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: was assigned. I have a very time. I was not 462 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: talking about the Earth assiseration, the you assassination in eight 463 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: and tell us how you would put together? How about 464 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: security unit that you've had people together? Inspected Dunston, the 465 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: old security supervisor. He would call me and asked me 466 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: to select a group of officers, possibly nine. I would 467 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: help about sister tatives through you and the coming in. 468 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: Would you stay with doctor King throughout his visit? When yes, 469 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: how would you provide security? Point? Well, we would get 470 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: his continerary. When you come to the Memphis we would 471 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: meet at the tail port. When he did planned it 472 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: would be right with him. We would following him to 473 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: his hotel. If he would go to church first was 474 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: we would lead to details of the church. Where did 475 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: he stay overnight? When on one ocagent who stayed up 476 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: to river, wont and your unit would protect him and 477 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: from my secur to that, yes, or we would go 478 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: in and check the rooms, make sure the telephone on about, 479 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: check under the bed to check the over where. Then 480 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: I was signed to the officers building the outside of 481 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: this door. We would take times about every two hours 482 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: and would do that. All right, love now and Dr 483 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: King's lost visit to menis were you asked to form 484 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: this usual security unit? You know? So you were not? 485 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: Was not? Why were you not absolutely formed at security 486 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: unit on the lost n So? I don't know. I 487 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: was just alled as somebody as within the assignment when 488 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: they lack office and label white officers. Did you ever 489 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: ask any questions as to why you weren't something well, 490 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: I did later on altimary timent. But after the assassination, 491 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: in the aftermath the assassination, while you still were a 492 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: certain officer, did you ever raise that question with any 493 00:33:54,560 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: on the inside the department, no income wait at the 494 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: most house black officers, and we didn't took the vers 495 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: as to why. But nobody knew why. You know, you 496 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: have to realize at that time to tell you, when 497 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: we used to go, plakers were very supergated. There's a 498 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,479 Speaker 1: lot of I still the situation of change formatically since 499 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: then black people was only talking to black people. White 500 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: people gone talking the white people. So a lot I 501 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: still have tea. I don't know, my Woodpool, I just 502 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what the answer that since 503 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: factor gave me was. But you ask, and I just 504 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: know who wasn't working on that pay and you were 505 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: not in a position as an officer in the departments 506 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 1: and black home really be able to ask any money 507 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: and require an anser wrest. But there was a black 508 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: police detective who was working that day. His name was 509 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: ed Reddit and with this black partner, patrolman Willie Richmond, 510 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: he met doctor King at the airport on April third, 511 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: as an auxiliary to the official security detail that included 512 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: the white officers under Inspector Smith the police. Smith and 513 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 1: his men in one car and read it and Richmond 514 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: and another escorted King to the Lorraine Motel read it 515 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: and Richmond were not part of the official detail, so 516 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: after they arrived they went up to the firehouse, where 517 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: from a back window they looked out at the Lorraine. 518 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: They were not so much guarding King as putting him 519 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: under surveillance, making notes as to who came and went. 520 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: It's not clear where Smith's all White details stationed themselves 521 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: that day. Bill Pepper thinks they mostly hung out at 522 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: the motel office reading newspapers, but we don't know that. 523 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: What we do know is that Smith called headquarters at 524 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: five p m. Asking for permission to end their watch 525 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: despite numerous and credible threats to King's life. The officers 526 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: were sent home without any one replacing them, and the 527 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: security detail did not return the next day, the day 528 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: Dr King was murdered, but Reddit did return to his 529 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: post at the firehouse. On the morning of April four, 530 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: Reddit said there was no sign of Smith or his detail. 531 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: Sometime in the late morning, Willie Richmond rejoined Reddit, but 532 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: it would be a rather strange afternoon. What follows his 533 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: detective Reddit on the witness stand, answering the questions of 534 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: Bill Pepper, Well, you serve as officer me where did 535 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: you becoming a police Munity Relations officer SA as a 536 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: police munity relations officer on your duties. Well, but when 537 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: we started there was nothing written about us. For we 538 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: developed our long methods and ways of getting this community, 539 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: and it was how do we get the community through 540 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: the response to understanding word of us. At the sign 541 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: of the Sanentation workers strike, were you still working with 542 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: the community and you said involved with amusingly, how did 543 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: you related the events of going on? Well, I was 544 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: somewhat pool out to kind of surveyor serve. I thought 545 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: it sabailas I was given then cop mons do, but 546 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: I thought it was a bit necessary, and I think 547 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: the whole background idea was too to observe or to 548 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: find out anyone who made me come into the city 549 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,959 Speaker 1: to disrupt it. That gives you any problems in terms 550 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: of your relationship you had in the community because you've 551 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: been working with the community and moving into the world, 552 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: No one, that's intelligence. We're gett see the contrete everybody 553 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: you will be And I'm going about it now that 554 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: there come a time when you were assigned to a 555 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 1: a specific detail at the fire station. Firevation number two. 556 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: What it is about the sibers one that out of 557 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: side on hand that I had noticed something was unusual 558 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: about all right again Rant King, and I noticed there 559 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: was nobody else there in the past when we were 560 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: signed about the team. We stayed with him, guarding him 561 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: up down steps and stayed with it. Nobody with him. 562 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: So I went to cross the street at the fire 563 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: department because we're coming in, and observed greet and I 564 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: wish he did and who accompanied you? In the will 565 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: of the Richmond. He took up a position uh in 566 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: the fire station on the third of April, and from 567 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: the rear of the fire station people were able to 568 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: see the Lorraine would tell about clear and did you 569 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: return with Officer Richmond the next the next day we 570 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: were the next day, as we learned from Station Chief wheten, 571 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: the firehouse was alive with people not normally there. By 572 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 1: official count, there were thirteen policemen inside the firehouse when 573 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: King was murdered thirty, but read it was not one 574 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: of them, because at some time near five o'clock, Lieutenant 575 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: Arkin showed up and told Reddit that the boss wanted 576 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,399 Speaker 1: to see him down at headquarters. What four He wouldn't say, 577 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: So Reddit went with Arkan and Richmond was left still 578 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: watching out the window. When Reddit arrived at headquarters, he 579 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: was shown to a conference room and was stunned by 580 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: what he saw. It was like a meeting of the 581 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: choint chiefs of staff. He said. In this room were 582 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: the heads and seconds of every law enforcement operation in 583 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: the area, Sheriff, highway patrol, army, intelligence, national Guard, you 584 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: name it, it was in the room. Then read it, 585 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: said the chief. Holloman approached and pointed to a man 586 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: in civilian clothes who he said was with the Secret Service. 587 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: Holloman said this man had flown in from Washington that 588 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: day with news that a contract had been taken out 589 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: on Redditt's life, and that Reddit had to go home immediately. 590 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: Reddit found the scene utterly surreal. Who takes out a 591 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: contract on a lowly police detective and who would fly 592 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: from Washington with such news? And what would the Secret 593 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: Service have to do with it? Returning to Reddit's testimony 594 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: at the civil trial, a group of man and I 595 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: was a man once to survive inside the holms. That 596 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: was a man there who had just falling in and 597 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: that was CONTRACTE. I was going home totally have that. 598 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: It was basically to go back to where I was 599 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: to take care of what the director HOMEO had three 600 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: bar argamentations about you going home anyway, It's my job 601 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: to take into arm take home. Reddit said he was 602 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: kept at home for the next week, then he was 603 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: told he could return to work. The whole thing was 604 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: said to be a mix up. The threat was actually 605 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: on some other black police detective in Knoxville. So detective Reddit, 606 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: though apparently not the ject of a real contract, was 607 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: the third black man removed from the fire station in 608 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: two days, and the second man removed because of reported 609 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: threat upon his life. A dangerous time to be working 610 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: at the two's. So a lot of strange stuff going on. 611 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: And if you lived in Memphis when King was killed 612 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: and we're paying attention like Reverend Lawson, you may have 613 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: been aware of these odd stories. But most people in 614 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 1: America were not. And in part this was because James 615 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: el Ray never had a trial, though according to Ray 616 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: and many others, he wanted a trial and always insisted 617 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 1: that he did not shoot Martin Luther King. You heard 618 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: the voices of the men in these stories because we 619 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: jumped ahead thirty years to the civil trial. A lawsuit 620 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: for wrongful death brought in Memphis and by Coretta Scott King. 621 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: She no longer believed the official version of her husband's murder, 622 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: and she wanted the evidence of that crime as incomplete 623 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: as it was to be recorded in a courtful law 624 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 1: so the people coming later could read what the witnesses 625 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: had to say, or in our case here what they 626 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: had to say. But we really haven't gone anywhere. We're 627 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: still in Memphis in nineteen sixty eight looking at some 628 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: of the strange things that went down the day King 629 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: was killed. We've got fifty years of revelations still in 630 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 1: front of us, and that's how this story will continue 631 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: to emerge, piece by piece, year by year, as we 632 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: hear people overcome their fear or surrender to their conscience. 633 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: So what you've just heard is for openers, for background, 634 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: and as ominous as it all sounds, it's possible that 635 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: there are reasonable explanations for some or all of these events. 636 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: And none of these stories by themselves or even collectively, 637 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: proves that there was conspiracy to murder Dr King. But 638 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: if these events were table setting for a murder, then 639 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: the finger of guilt would point back to those with 640 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: the power to make these strange things happen. But one 641 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: thing we do know is that these events could not 642 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 1: have been the doing of James el Ray, who drifted 643 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: into Memphis for the very first time just a few 644 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: hours before Dr King was shot. What is his story? 645 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 1: Who or what brought him to Memphis and where was 646 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,399 Speaker 1: he when Dr King was killed? Well, James el Ray 647 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: will tell you himself, but be warned it's no simple town. 648 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: Next time. On the email K tapes we received a 649 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: letter dear Mr Haynes, I'm here in jail. I've been 650 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: accused of a murderer. I don't know anything about it. 651 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: Will you please come help me. No, he never did 652 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 1: have no hostility towards any race, not only Blacks, but 653 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: Hispanics or anybody. And we said a lads together and 654 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,720 Speaker 1: he was all maybe, he was all happy and as 655 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: he had money money on him, so he said, I'm 656 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: going out to berminghended by a late Laul parts you 657 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: have this, he said, I'm working up a Mr. Rawl 658 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: sadly remember how the rawle came And I'm working for 659 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 1: a guy named Row or something like that. A boat 660 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: came all the radio saying that the Reverend Martin Laus 661 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 1: kame and shops so I didn't take too much cant 662 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: on that, but I kept on driving and wasn't too 663 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: long you have thought. He said, Uh, they were looking 664 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: for a white man and white mustang. And the next 665 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: one of the shooting my dad, James will really and uh, 666 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: We're sitting on the floor of that shower stall. And 667 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,879 Speaker 1: the first thing out of anybody's mouth was my dad 668 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: looking at this client of ours and say, who are you? 669 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The mL K Tapes, a production 670 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio intended for TV. This podcast is 671 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: not specifically endorsed by the King Family or the King 672 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: of State. D email K Tapes is written and hosted 673 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,880 Speaker 1: by Bill Claper. 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