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Speaker 4: Like that is truly like everything that we're talking about

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Speaker 4: And see, someone who does that again, probably is not

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Speaker 1: I mean it's so wrong with by the way, I

438
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Speaker 1: don't know, why are you being so weird? Indies are

439
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Speaker 1: like so uh, you know, keep making a problem. Yeah,

440
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: just deal with the pain, thank you. That is what

441
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: that show is about.

442
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Speaker 2: That's that's so genius. I remember watching the second season

443
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: be like, oh, that's it. Hit me what this show

444
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: is about. I was like, this is about the obsession

445
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: we all have with avoiding pain, and it's going to

446
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: become a nightmare Unplanet Earth because it's like that's part

447
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Speaker 2: of what being like, like your your body is built

448
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 2: to feel pain for a reason. Yeah.

449
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like all that frictionlessness is basically putting us in

450
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Speaker 4: a trash chute to hell.

451
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Going so fast, so going

452
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Speaker 2: so fast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we don't want to get out of the

454
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Speaker 1: warm bathtub, like yeah, so we're just sitting there just

455
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Speaker 1: waiting to death.

456
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

457
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is something you think is overrated?

458
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Speaker 2: Fucking piling all on saying the same stupid bullshit online

459
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Speaker 2: when somebody gets mad about something. Timothy Challomey says the

460
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Speaker 2: stupid thing about ballet and opera, and eight million people

461
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: need to say the same fucking critique. Yes, he's annoying.

462
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Speaker 2: I said it on the last episode I visited. Do

463
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: you know that already? Like people didn't like Wuthering Heights,

464
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: who cares so one person has a critique of it?

465
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Speaker 2: Now you have to say the same fucking critique eight

466
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Speaker 2: thousand times you think that the movie is racist? Like,

467
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: repeating the same idea online over and over and over

468
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 2: again is not a form of cultural criticism. Sure, it

469
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Speaker 2: is completely like it. It's intellectually bankrupt. It's boring. It

470
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: is virtual singling. Even Dojakat, who I adore, had to

471
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Speaker 2: publicly go out and be like I was sort of

472
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Speaker 2: virtue singling when I piled on about Timothy Challamey. It's

473
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Speaker 2: like enough already, when you hear enough of a something,

474
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Speaker 2: you should have a wit in your head and come

475
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Speaker 2: up with another idea and then say that, yeah, right,

476
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Speaker 2: you should say something original. I mean, this is last

477
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: time I was on your show, I said, I have

478
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: an article being published about heated rivalry and it's coming

479
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: out in June, and it's basically because so many people

480
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: needed to filate that show that I was like, Okay,

481
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: somebody needs to offer an aggressive counter reading because you

482
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 2: guys are unhinged and you need to fucking relax, right right,

483
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Speaker 2: right right. And I love what somebody said online in

484
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: a meme. They said, oh, that show is exactly like

485
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Speaker 2: a gay ill relationship today because people are obsessed with

486
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: it for six weeks and then they ghosted, which is

487
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: exactly true, exactly true. But I just think like this

488
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Speaker 2: idea that people think it's interesting or compelling to keep

489
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Speaker 2: repeating the same problem online over and over and over again,

490
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Speaker 2: intervening in debates where you have nothing original to say,

491
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Speaker 2: like is it completely go get busy, go read books,

492
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Speaker 2: come up with an original idea, and then when you

493
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Speaker 2: do say something.

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Speaker 4: Right, I think there's so much of like because like

495
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Speaker 4: now social interactions are just like, well, what did you

496
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Speaker 4: post on this website about the thing? On any topic

497
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Speaker 4: that the mere participation is seen as like, well, I

498
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Speaker 4: participated in the thing because I fired that tweet off

499
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Speaker 4: or I posted that story or whatever.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point.

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Speaker 4: And it's like that's not sure, but also like you

502
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Speaker 4: don't need that's that's also not where we're living.

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Speaker 2: We'll also just not do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,

504
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: like it's been said before, Like, Okay, somebody said they

505
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Speaker 2: feel that the casting of Weathering Heights is racist, got it. Okay,

506
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Speaker 2: that's a position one can argue with or against or whatever.

507
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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah. To keep repeating it as

508
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Speaker 2: though it is now an interesting point, when in fact

509
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Speaker 2: there's lots of counter arguments, including the fact like as

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Speaker 2: one of my friends who studies the Bronti Sisters, one

511
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Speaker 2: of my brilliant friend Anthony Michael Dougustino, is actually writing

512
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Speaker 2: about the response to Weathering Heights, and he's like, did

513
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Speaker 2: you guys all think that the Bronti sisters were like

514
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Speaker 2: great anti racists to the nineteenth century? They're part of

515
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Speaker 2: the fucking landed gentry. Yeah, there's arties you think they

516
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Speaker 2: were making. Yeah, Like, by the way, is there is

517
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Speaker 2: an adaptation of Weathering Heights in which the main character

518
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Speaker 2: is black. Why aren't you guys talking about that? Why

519
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: aren't you watching it? Why aren't you advertising it and

520
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: circulating it? Needing to then highl on to a single reading,

521
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Speaker 2: Like I just thought the other day, the idea that

522
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Speaker 2: there was even such a thing as discourse about Tiana

523
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Speaker 2: Taylor's reaction positive reaction to Amy madigan winning the oscar,

524
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Speaker 2: the fact that that became a thing that people had

525
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: to talk about and then she had to publicly say

526
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Speaker 2: it is good sportsmanship to celebrate, like people have lost

527
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: the plot. You need to get a life, You need

528
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: to go out engage with people, have really production conflict

529
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: and live your life. Yeah. Yeah, Brian was saying, not

530
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Speaker 2: having an opinion is also sometimes a good idea, like

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Speaker 2: sometimes taking the time to be like, you know what,

532
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Speaker 2: maybe I don't need to have anything to say about this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, maybe I need to. I'm good, especially if

534
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Speaker 4: it's not existential. It's like I feel like it's how

535
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Speaker 4: we get the illusion of community. Sometimes it's like the

536
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 4: the soilent green like of our you know, like it's

537
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: the false like leftover food paste, the bug mash from

538
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Speaker 4: the snow piercer, you know, like it's what we have

539
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 4: as sustenance to replace what we used to have, which

540
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: is like you know, sloppy, messy, frictional contact with our

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Speaker 4: fellow people. And just like the adventure of a day,

542
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Speaker 4: like where you're bouncing off of other people and interacting

543
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Speaker 4: with them. And now because we don't have that opportunity

544
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 4: or because it's being designed and like optimized in quotes,

545
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Speaker 4: out of our day to day lives, we have the

546
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Speaker 4: ability to express opinions that like vote one way or

547
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Speaker 4: another on some shit that has been like prepackaged one.

548
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Speaker 2: Way or another, like the idea that in a world

549
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Speaker 2: as complex as this, when we have pop psychology and

550
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: we talk about emotions and internal family systems and psychedelics

551
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: and all these things that we literally think that we

552
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: can just love or hate something is so boring, like

553
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Speaker 2: that's what people do. They're just like I'm obsessed or

554
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: I hate it, and I'm like, that is the least

555
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Speaker 2: of what it means to be a human. Like most

556
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: things that I adore in the world, I feel deeply

557
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: conflicted about and deeply confused and mixed, and some parts

558
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: of them I'm really fascinated by. Something's confused me and

559
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: like I just don't understand this need as that we're

560
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: all so bored, when we're so anemic, we're so starved

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Speaker 2: for engagement with the world that Basically what happens is

562
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Speaker 2: we're like I need to feel pure love or pure

563
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Speaker 2: hate in order to actually feel like I'm feeling something,

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Speaker 2: but otherwise I'm flatlined. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I am obsessed with that take truly, Miles,

566
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Speaker 1: you hate it?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Pretty mid? Those are pretty mid? Yeah, pretty mad. I'll

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Speaker 2: work on it.

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Speaker 1: Everything is a ESPN now for people like non sports fans.

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Speaker 1: That's how ESPN's process of sports now is. Just like

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Speaker 1: they get one person up who's like Lebron James is

573
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Speaker 1: the best player of all time, and then another person's

574
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Speaker 1: like Lebron's a bomb.

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Speaker 2: Like it's just yeahmal that you.

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Speaker 1: Actually have some testing that says he's a literal goat

577
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Speaker 1: made oft ship.

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Speaker 2: What are you sorry, engagement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break and we'll come back

580
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Speaker 1: and talk about this weird healthscape.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back and we're back, and this is.

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Speaker 1: This is not breaking news. You know, the metaverse has

583
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: been a failure for a long time. Anyone who is

584
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Speaker 1: of the opinion, you know, we that there is like

585
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: an official stance from people that like the billionaires.

586
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: Know best and like this is yeah, you know, just

587
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: just let cook.

588
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, the future let him cook our planet.

589
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: Truly, let them cook all of us.

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00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: And for anybody who has that idea just meta versus

591
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: a great counter point to that, and that he just

592
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: dumped billions and billions, like tens of billions of dollars

593
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Speaker 1: into this idea that everybody would want to go live

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00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: in a virtual reality simulation where nobody had legs and

595
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: you couldn't really do anything interesting. They are unwinding their

596
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Speaker 1: position from that, But I just want to take a

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Speaker 1: look back because somebody named Barry Malone was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to remind people of what the energy

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Speaker 1: was when they launched this. Was it like five ten

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Speaker 1: years ago?

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Speaker 2: How long ago is five? I thought it was like

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Speaker 2: five minutes ago. I know it.

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Speaker 4: Because it was definitely a right around down the pandemic,

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Speaker 4: the beginning of the pandemic, because there was suddenly like

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Speaker 4: what if we didn't have to live in physical space anymore? Sure,

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Speaker 4: it was kind of like the that was the pisdemic

607
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: was like pitch was made frictionless by our sort of

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Speaker 4: our lockdown era.

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Speaker 2: No. I thought it was so weird, but I mean

610
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Speaker 2: very on trend for all of these billionaires and these

611
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 2: companies that it was at the very moment that they

612
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: were being brought into hearings with the with Congress about

613
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Speaker 2: how they were negatively affecting children about all of that

614
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: stuff they had, like the what is it the whistleblower?

615
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: That was the moment that they were like, actually, we're

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Speaker 2: going to say that we're God. Actually we've decided that

617
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: our response to this criticism is we're going to create

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Speaker 2: an entire area meta meta meaning like overarching, right, we

619
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: are the God universe. And I was like, wow, that

620
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: tells you everything. Yes, welcome to my world.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to I don't know if it's

622
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Speaker 1: going to be too hard to come across, but I

623
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Speaker 1: do just want to like watch a couple seconds of

624
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Speaker 1: this with you guys and just get the sense of

625
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: like Suderberg, right, sucker Nerd, Yeah, and what one of

626
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Speaker 1: his employees just behaving, As Barry Malone said in the

627
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Speaker 1: in the tweet, just two humans having a perfectly natural conversation.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: October twenty twenty one, probably sounds like this show.

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Speaker 5: Now, deb from our studios team is joining me. Dev

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Speaker 5: do you want to take us through some of the

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Speaker 5: exciting games in the pipeline for Quest.

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Speaker 1: Wow, she's doing like these weird hand gestures. But again

634
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Speaker 1: she explodes our she explodes when she says absolutely. It

635
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Speaker 1: is the subtlety of like a silent film actor, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the gestures are like yeah, absolutely, Mark, It's between

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Speaker 1: a silent film actor and a cheerleader.

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Over the years, we've had the opportunity to work with

641
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Speaker 1: incredible developers like Vertigo Games, the studio behind fan favorite

642
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Speaker 1: Arizona Sunshine.

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00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 5: I love Arizona right, Arizona Sunshine, you know what, And

644
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 5: that game basically got me and my friends through the

645
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Speaker 5: first few months of the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. That's mainly what I wanted to get to.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, I feel see. It's just so bizarre.

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Speaker 1: Wow, it's just this weird hyper reality where it's like,

649
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Speaker 1: how do we how do we avoid ever having to

650
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Speaker 1: do this because we clearly don't know how to do this,

651
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Speaker 1: which is have a face to face conversation and appear

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Speaker 1: normal and human. I know everybody probably has that same

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Speaker 1: feeling that they hate being around other people. Let's create

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Speaker 1: a world where they can just like look at other

655
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Speaker 1: weird blobs of color instead of actually interact with human beings.

656
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Speaker 4: I wonder if, like in the beginning, the director of

657
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 4: it was like, fuck, this is this looks like shit, man,

658
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: Like these people are so boring. He's like, all right,

659
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 4: maybe maybe add some more gesticulation here and that'll that'll

660
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: go bigger. Guys might wacky, but just go harder, go

661
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: harder on the gesticulation.

662
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: And that's his going hard. That's like the hardest that

663
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: Suckerberd can go.

664
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Speaker 4: It is like speaking louder with like just wider eyes.

665
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 2: That's so great. Yes, you Sun. That got me through

666
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 2: the first early days of the pandemic.

667
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 4: With my friends who I just relocated to my island

668
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: where we could create our own community that was shut

669
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 4: off from the rest of the sick world. Oh man,

670
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 4: well repe to the metaverse.

671
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad, great, great use of resources.

672
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't think it's going away. I remember, don't

673
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: mind at all.

674
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, the pitches were crazy in the beginning, Like we

675
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 7: have a whole meta Manhattan. You can buy real essip

676
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 7: and right now I've just bought the entirety of Dumbo

677
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 7: for eight hundred dollars.

678
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: Now I own that.

679
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: So let's say maybe jay Z wants to have an

680
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 4: album release party in the metaverse. Well, what cooler area

681
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: could you do that than in Dumbo? And now I

682
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 4: own that he's gonna have to pay me to have

683
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: his event there. And it's like people were earnestly saying

684
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: that about this shit, like you were somehow you're like

685
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: a meta landlord now, and people like, no one's fuck

686
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 4: did you see me?

687
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: I just literally yawned, Yeah, that's what happened. Yeah, that's

688
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: what happened. That your body had the correction. Yeah. They

689
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: are banking on the fact that if they make real

690
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: life miserable enough for all of us, that we will

691
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: want to escape into the fictional universes that they produce

692
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: in order to avoid the world that they have wrecked.

693
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, you can keep

694
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: moving in that direction, and we can keep doing the

695
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: slippery slow but like you are not going to in

696
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: a matter of a few decades actually reverse million of

697
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: years of human evolution towards being a social being. It

698
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: may be that human beings become less social over time.

699
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: It may be that we become more isolated. It may

700
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: be that we evolve in a way to move away

701
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: from each other. That's going to take millions more years

702
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: like these. I love the level of hubris that they

703
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: think that with some corporate bullshit and some infrastructure and

704
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 2: that they're that they're going to like remodel the entire

705
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: basis of the human when like evolution is a process

706
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: so beyond their ability to think about it's just like girls.

707
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: It's like a effort because their fear is that we

708
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 4: force them to live in the world we're in, and

709
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 4: we want them to live, you know, that's exactly that

710
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: we're like, actually, no, guess what we're going to ask

711
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 4: you get to come join us. You're going to join us, motherfucker.

712
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: And I think that's the sort of motivation is I

713
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 4: think most people should look at. It's like, well, why

714
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 4: they they are trying to force their world on us.

715
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 4: We can also force our world on them in terms

716
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 4: of like something a little more or equitable, something that

717
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: these motherfuckers don't exist in the way they do right now.

718
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: They want us to go away. They don't want us

719
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: out in this like this is a great example. They

720
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: want us to go to like some virtual place and

721
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: like so getting out in the streets and doing something

722
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: is their biggest fear. That's the one thing they can't

723
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: deal with. So they're creating a virtual place for us to.

724
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: Go absolute literally that you know, Jack, what you were

725
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: saying earlier about you know, it's so easy for us

726
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: to blame ourselves all the time, for our actions to

727
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: be like, I need to get off social media. I

728
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: need to not buy into this. But I love what

729
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 2: my colleague, Caroline Levine, a brilliant scholar at Cornell, she says,

730
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: But the reality is, while yes, technically we're all complicit

731
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah blah blah, there are an identifiable

732
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: group of a very small number of human beings who

733
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: have made the most massively negative impacts on the planet.

734
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: You can identify the people who are the presidents and

735
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: CEOs of like Exon and Enron and this or whatever,

736
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: and those people have created this night, and it is

737
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: possible for us to hold them accountable if we wanted to,

738
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: which were really terrible at this very At this moment.

739
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm pitching we name hurricanes after them, like we need

740
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: to start shaming them. We need, yes, we need better ideas.

741
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 4: It needs to be vivid, it needs to Pokemon cards

742
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: need to be like the Ola garcs. You're like, they're like, yeah, bro,

743
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: I know, I'm all.

744
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: I know, I'm all to them. All still works, but

745
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: I think be shamed, I.

746
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: Think just as a communication method because they they certainly

747
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: don't want to be named. You know, they've been spending

748
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: a lot of money, they've they got Donald Trump elected

749
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: to like make sure that they don't get named in

750
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: the epsteam files and ship like that. So like they're

751
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: working on it. So I feel like they don't don't

752
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: want it to happen, and therefore my enemy like the

753
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, in sports, the thing you want to be

754
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: doing is the thing that your opponent, in their gut

755
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: does not want you to be doing, you know, and

756
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: that's how you know you're making the right strategic decision.

757
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's we know what they don't

758
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: want us to do about how they spend their money, right,

759
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: and so that's what we need to be doing.

760
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: We need to be blaming.

761
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't know. We don't know the names of

762
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: like Lee Raymond or Darren Woods. We know Rex Tillerson

763
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 4: because he mobiles and went there. But I just named

764
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 4: three heads of Exxon Mobile, you know what I mean?

765
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: And those are those names. You might as well be like,

766
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: who the who. Yeah, but guess what these people are

767
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: sitting at the fucking levers and I think that's what

768
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 4: it is. It's like, at the very least, their their

769
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: sense of anonymity needs to go.

770
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a really good point. That's very well said.

771
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: The very first people who knew about climate change ex

772
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: mobile and they were like, how do we solve this problem?

773
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: What do you mean like stop climate change?

774
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: No?

775
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: No, no, how do we solve this problem of like

776
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: people knowing about it? You're like finding out about it

777
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: and thinking we're bad guys. I do just want to

778
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: talk about these same motherfuckers because in the context of uh,

779
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: there's just another their viral robot fuck up in the

780
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: in the US at a San Jose restaurant. There's like

781
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: a robot in a Zootopia too, bib just like doing

782
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: a dance and just like starts hitting the dishes and

783
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: they like can't get it to stop dancing.

784
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 2: And like hitting dishes and stuff.

785
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: And it's just like it honestly feels like when you're

786
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: holding somebody back in a fight, like a drunk person

787
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: in like a bar brawl or something like they just

788
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: like won't it won't stop dancing and I just want

789
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: to I don't think we talked about it at the time,

790
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: but China had a robot display.

791
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: Yes, for like the New Year. It was for the

792
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: New Year, and it was incredible. It was just everything

793
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: that our robots are.

794
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: Like when when you see Elon Musk be like and

795
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: my robot just learned kung fu, No big deal, And

796
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: then his robot gets out and you're like, is your

797
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: robot like a drunk? Is it like a seventy three

798
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: year old drunk person? This is what they are intending

799
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: to do, Like this shit is this shit is.

800
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 4: Doing backflips like a showtime dancer on a New York subway.

801
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doing backflips. They're like do it. They're spinning

802
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: part in the air une basically it's Chenune but robots. Yeah,

803
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: and it's yeah.

804
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: I just there's one part in the video from their celebrate,

805
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: like from what their robots are doing where a kid

806
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: like accidentally lands a like because they're doing martial arts

807
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: next to like children who are really good at martial arts,

808
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: and a like one of the children like lands on

809
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: a stick that the robot's holding, and in our world,

810
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: like that is what like that robot starts wobbling around

811
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: drunkenly like fifteen seconds and like has to be lifted

812
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: off the stage.

813
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: I see these videos. I can't even believe this is real.

814
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that technology could do this.

815
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: I just know that, yeah, I do, just well, I

816
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: think this is like the sort of thing that is

817
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: not being made clear to people, that the current conspiracy

818
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: by billionaires to like break our society, like not like

819
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: that's not the end goal. The end goal is just

820
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: for them to continue to get richer and richer. But

821
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: what they have effectively done is like broken any sort

822
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: of like meritocracy or you know, ability for our technology

823
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: to progress in an efficient manner. Like those things have consequences,

824
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: Like the US is just like falling way the fuck

825
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: beyond behind.

826
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: You know this is so powerful what you've just said,

827
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: because I'm usually right, like I'm like a lowly popular

828
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: culture study scholar. Oh and I study the robot going crazy.

829
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: This is the one from like a couple of days

830
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: ago in the US cut down, Yeah America, And it

831
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: just looks hammered uh sorts like hitting like knocking the toddlers,

832
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: and then the woman who's like controlling with their phone

833
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: like is up there and like trying to get it

834
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: to stop, but they like can't get.

835
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: It to Okay, that's horrific. It's gonna say. No, I

836
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: was just gonna say, like, you know, on the one hand,

837
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: I live in this world where I study like the

838
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: politics of popular culture and gender and sexuality or whatever,

839
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: and yet I'm able to see at the larger level

840
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: that like the incredible white supremacies than a phobia anti

841
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: immigrant sentiment, all of this stuff, the America first logic

842
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: that's sort of like we only want it to be

843
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: people that we like everybody needs to get out, we

844
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: don't want to have to deal with the world is

845
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: literally undermining the very fabric of our ability to participate

846
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: in global politics. It actually means that we might be

847
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: more susceptible to invasion, my military invasion, Like we may

848
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 2: actually be undercutting our basic military ability to protect our

849
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: borders not from immigrants, but from military incursion.

850
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: But all the shit they're supposed to care about.

851
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how people can't see that we

852
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: live in a global world order where you have to

853
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 2: have allies globally who respect you and your way of life,

854
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: and that like it's just this in a bit is

855
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: myopia that sort of I said it last time I

856
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: visited you guys. It's a baby like like yeah, like

857
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: this kind of self destructive, like we just want our

858
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: nice things that we want everybody to get the fuck out.

859
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: It's like we don't understand that we need to be

860
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: in a collective group mindset. But working together globally.

861
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: We're all that mega dude on the corner of being

862
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: like are you serious right now? And then you drive

863
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: them home?

864
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: But what again? So I'm sorry walking home. It's truly that.

865
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that lack of confrontation that's led us here

866
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: because we're being led by the very people who can't

867
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: acknowledge their own shortcomings, their own vulnerabilities, and that's been

868
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 4: intoxicating to people that also feel powerless and don't want

869
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 4: to acknowledge of vulnerabilities. And it's like this self feeding

870
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 4: thing that now, like to your point, it does explain

871
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 4: why we are here now because all the people who

872
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 4: are decision makers are like, wait, we could be doing better.

873
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: No fuck that dude, just fucking cut turn ourselves off

874
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 4: to that focus on our shit, because I'm not going

875
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 4: to live in a world where we've fallen way behind.

876
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: But it's too late. I mean, it's happened.

877
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll

878
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: talk about AFROMN and blood Sport.

879
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 2: We'll be right back and we're back. We're back.

880
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: I have not thought about AFROMN very often in the past.

881
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: When did because I Got high come out like late nineties.

882
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: Early two thousands, like early two thousands.

883
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so probably over twenty years. I haven't thought a

884
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: whole lot about AFROMN. Two thousand is when it came out,

885
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: two thousand, twenty five, twenty six years I have that's

886
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: not true, because I've definitely heard from people being like

887
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: Afroman actually like makes some interest in music, like after the.

888
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: Fact, like he's always fun. Yeah, yeah, that sounds kind of.

889
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 4: Cool, tongue in cheek comedy thing going on, you know

890
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 4: is one song Palmdal come back to me. Just talking

891
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: about pomp was just like great, we love it, we

892
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 4: love it.

893
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: But yeah.

894
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty two, he was in the news because

895
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 4: the cops in Ohio raided his house on the suspicion

896
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 4: of drug trafficking and kidnaping, and the officers broke down

897
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: his door snooped around during this raid. Afroman wasn't there,

898
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 4: but his surveillance cameras in the house and around the

899
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 4: house captured at all and it turns out there was

900
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 4: nothing at all in the house that indicated there was

901
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 4: anything nefarious going on, and then no charges were filed

902
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 4: because it was all based off of some bullshit. So Afroman,

903
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 4: you know, it doesn't sound like the police but all

904
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: reserve judgment. But that doesn't doesn't sound right. I feel

905
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 4: like you're you're off here something. No, no, there's no

906
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 4: way they just went into aggressive without a shred of evidence.

907
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: Not it can't be. But he wasn't.

908
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 4: Afroman wasn't having it, so he decided to fuck with

909
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: them by making some music videos out of the surveillance

910
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 4: footage where these people are in his house, raiding his home,

911
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 4: and where he makes fun of these cops. One track,

912
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 4: Lemon pound Cake, went viral and this was the beginning

913
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 4: of like the cops and like wait, what the fuck

914
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: is this guy doing? And he made many out many

915
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 4: songs about some of these cops that raided his house,

916
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: like personally being like there's one that's like Randy Walters

917
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 4: is a son of a bitch, like this is what

918
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: his house like, that's like one. There's another one called

919
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 4: lemon pound cake because he was talking about when the

920
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: cops raided his house. There was this one officer who

921
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: kept eyeing his like pound cake that was.

922
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: On the counter. Oh my god, it was just like hungry.

923
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, like is he just like up way the clipp

924
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 8: It's just so funny. He's talk because I have been there,

925
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 8: like I do feel seen but raid. But he just

926
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 8: does a double take at this lemon pound cake on

927
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 8: the counter.

928
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: What was that.

929
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: So he's put out all these songs and you know

930
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: there's another one about it, like hey, they kicked to

931
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 4: my door. He's like, I want to try and pay

932
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 4: for this ship. And he got sued because they're like,

933
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 4: there he's defaming us, he's lying about us. And it

934
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: went to trial, and you know, fortunately his First Amendment

935
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 4: rights were upheld and they're like, sorry, cops, you got

936
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: no fucking case.

937
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: Wow.

938
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: This is what the lawyer for the police was arguing.

939
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 4: But first of all, the sheriff's deputies claimed those videos,

940
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 4: which have garnered hundreds of thousands of us actually millions

941
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 4: at this point, have caused quote humiliation, ridicule, mental distress, embarrassment,

942
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 4: and loss of reputation.

943
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: Also to your point, Miles, these videos were probably seen

944
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: by like one hundred thousand people tops before they decided

945
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: to bring this legal action.

946
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, streisan defect. So this is what the lawyer said

947
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: in the closing arguments, quote, mister Foreman, who's that's Afroman's

948
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 4: legal name, perpetuated lies intentionally, repeatedly over three and a

949
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: half years on the internet about these seven brave deputy sheriffs.

950
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 4: Mister Foreman did it intentionally. Mister Foreman knew that what

951
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 4: he posted on the internet were lies. So mister Foreman

952
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: is legally wrong. So they're saying we need to be

953
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 4: paid damages and stop using the video. Well it ended

954
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 4: Afroman emerged victorious. Yeah, and it was hilarious too because

955
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 4: Afroman was wearing head to toe stars and stripes like

956
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: suits every day and his lawyer was like, they're like,

957
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: look what he's saying is a joke, Like this is

958
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 4: his social commentary, and even said quote, look at that suit.

959
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 4: Does this look like a man who thinks that everybody's

960
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 4: going to assume that everything he's saying is a fact.

961
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 3: That's that's genius. Yeah, and they're like legs no, actually yeah,

962
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: And there's this one there's like a clip of the

963
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: trial because you know, if they're showing evidence, like they're

964
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: gonna play the whole clip, you know what I mean.

965
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: So in this one instance, this one officer is like

966
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: sobbing because they're like playing this music video that he

967
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 3: made about her that was thirteen minutes long. So this

968
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 3: things just like rolling fucked up, and this this cop

969
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 3: is like on the stand sobbing to really make a

970
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: you know, make a meal out of the whole like

971
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 3: I've been humiliated.

972
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I understand, hard to watch, hard to watch again,

973
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 4: I get it. And unfortunately they're like we.

974
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: See right through those tiers and.

975
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 4: It's like they're sorry, this guy, you fucking rated the house.

976
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 4: You're on his cameras and he has a First Amendment, right,

977
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 4: he's not. You know, do you what do you want

978
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 4: us to do?

979
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: If you guys on a basic logistical level of getting

980
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: like real serious, this idea that the police generally do

981
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: not view themselves as like employees that the people you're like, so,

982
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: why does your feeling of embarrassment that this person made

983
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: a video about you trump? But that person's right? Yeah,

984
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: So like why is why is it normalized that like

985
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 2: the police are basically above the law or like your

986
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: the feelings that the police matter more. It's like, at

987
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're a public you are

988
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: committed yourself. Yeah, to be a public servant like you,

989
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: it's gonna suck. Like these jobs suck. It sucks to lead,

990
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: it sucks to be representative of people. You have to

991
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: do what they want. So this thing that is like,

992
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 2: we don't care about the rights of the person whose

993
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: house we broke into. We care about the fact that

994
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: he made us look bad. And it's like you could

995
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: have avoided that entire That's like what I was facinted

996
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: about is how much the police fuck with people.

997
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they view them as they view them as an

998
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: enemy combatants, say, I mean, they're armed with the same

999
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: technology as US soldiers who are over you know, doing

1000
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: violent colonialism around the world, and they have that same

1001
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: mentality and have for decades and decades and decades. And

1002
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: they don't live in the communities that they police. You know,

1003
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: they're coming in from outside of those communities and just

1004
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: doing violence. And I'm sure one thing that really gets

1005
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: their goat is having a black man who has a

1006
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: lot of success. Yeah, yeah, and just being like, where

1007
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: where did that first raid come from in the first place,

1008
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, like I'd love to see someone needs a

1009
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: FOI of the fuck out of that because they said

1010
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: it was from like a I think Afroman said it

1011
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: was like a tip from just some person, random person,

1012
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: and I think that was just enough to be like, oh,

1013
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: you're black and visible. Yeah.

1014
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 4: And this is what he said too afterwards. This is

1015
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 4: what Afroman said. He's like again, like to everyone's point,

1016
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: He's like, this wouldn't have happened if the raid didn't happen.

1017
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: This is what he said.

1018
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: Quote all of this is their fault. If they had

1019
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 4: it wrongly raided in my house, there would be no lawsuit,

1020
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 4: there would be no songs. They're suing me for their mistake.

1021
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: The fundamental misunderstanding of that thing called the First Amendment

1022
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: right a free speech. I mean that we've really arrived

1023
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: at a place where basically people in power are like, no,

1024
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: but free speech except for everybody else, just for us.

1025
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: You don't get to say what you want. But except

1026
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: for us. You know, it's just like he could do

1027
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: whatever he wants. He has it on videotape. It's defamation.

1028
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 2: If it's a lie, it's it's literally there on. It's

1029
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: just I can't it's so exhausting. What are you in

1030
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: the supervillain arc? Who? Who? Who is the supervillain?

1031
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 7: Like?

1032
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: What haircut is the super villain to go up against

1033
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: the Is it the combover or something like that, like

1034
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: combover versus afro man?

1035
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Who seems the super.

1036
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: Villain who brought down these charges on afromn? Is it

1037
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: the combover? Is it the horseshoe pattern, male pattern? Baldness?

1038
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 4: Could be that, it could be like could even like

1039
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 4: fash wave fash wave undercut hairstyle.

1040
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they do love that.

1041
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: The you know.

1042
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 4: That's oh my god. Hey, hey, what are we gonna

1043
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 4: do today, Miles?

1044
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 2: What can we do?

1045
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 4: What you want to point to one of the hairstyles?

1046
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: Uh?

1047
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? How about this?

1048
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 4: This is the older sto please thank you?

1049
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: We like know those references. Now Nazism has made a

1050
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: full comeback. We know the visual iconography, we know it's

1051
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: like having a full moment.

1052
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, it's just crazy. Yeah, it's I

1053
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 4: just saw this thing today that like the California Republican Party.

1054
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 4: They just have they in instituted a new policy of

1055
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 4: no groupers because they like they're seeing like the souper,

1056
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 4: because I mean, I think most conservatives now realize it's

1057
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 4: like a lot of Nazis actually, Like for the people

1058
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: who were ignorant about it, now they have to have

1059
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: like stated like, yeah, no Nazi really what we're talking about?

1060
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: Yeah for us here, but yeah, it's coming back. And

1061
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 4: there's also a clip I saw like people in Saint

1062
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 4: Patrick's day, like a bus full of kids like New Orleans,

1063
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: like like throwing up the Roman salute.

1064
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: Off the bus and being cheeky.

1065
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 4: But again, I'm sure this is also born out of

1066
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: you know, relationships home environments where confrontration is just like

1067
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 4: not really a thing, like.

1068
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: What the fuck are you thinking? It's just like, hey,

1069
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 2: I don't let's must do that, Okay.

1070
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: I do just want to talk about one of the

1071
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: weird weirdest film news stories of twenty twenty six so far.

1072
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: A twenty four is remaking blood Sport. The studio that

1073
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: gave us Moonlight and Everything Everywhere all at once, is

1074
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: tackling the eighties action movie that made John Jean Claude

1075
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 1: Van dam a star, and like when it was first

1076
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: announced that this remake was happening, Everyone's like, wait, that

1077
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: that's Donald Trump's favorite movie. And it was right around

1078
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: the time when he was like, I want to see

1079
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: Rush Hour four. That's why, like I'm letting the WB

1080
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: like or fucking paramount take over all of Hollywood. So

1081
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: you know, it was when he was starting to put

1082
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: his thumb on the scale. That is ultimately all he

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Speaker 1: cares about, right is, like, you know, being in charge

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Speaker 1: of the Kennedy Center. So a lot of people are like,

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Speaker 1: they're remaking his favorite movie, Like this is sad. It's

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Speaker 1: clearly an attempt to appease him. But a twenty fours

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Speaker 1: project is going to be written and directed by MICHAELA.

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Speaker 2: Cole.

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Speaker 1: I may destroy you fame like an amazing work of

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Speaker 1: art and chewing them yeah, which suggests that the Blood

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Speaker 1: Sport remake might actually be first of all good, second

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Speaker 1: of all, might be a bit like a palm full

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Speaker 1: of salt in Donald Trump's eyes, to quote a moment

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Speaker 1: from the movie that was that movie right where they put.

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Speaker 2: Salt, which I had rewatched it. I just that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's one of the handful of figures

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Speaker 2: that made me realize that I was homosexual. Who was

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Speaker 2: a kid? Yeah, one of a handful of people that

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Speaker 2: I saw on TV And I was like, oh mg.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very very handsome man, very like a great dancer too,

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Speaker 1: like that, that's what that was. His background was as

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Speaker 1: a dancer. And they were like, I bet we could

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Speaker 1: make these dance moves look like martial arts and movies essentially.

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Speaker 2: Is he Gile? Wasn't he Gile in Street Fighter? Tell Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And let's not forget Cammy, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Car Oh that's wild. Yeah, yeah, Oh my god. I

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Speaker 2: have to go back and watch the original.

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Speaker 1: The original, by the way, is inspired by the dubious

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Speaker 1: real life experiences of a guy named Frank Duke's d

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Speaker 1: u X, who is like, basically just like Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: if Donald Trump wasn't born as a you know, one

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Speaker 1: hundred millionaire, right, he's it's just like a scam artist

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Speaker 1: who like sues everybody. We'll probably get suited for just

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Speaker 1: saying this, but yeah, he uh yeah. But anyways, I'm

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Speaker 1: very intrigued by what she's gonna do with this because

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Speaker 1: he is so Donald Trump is I could see Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump being a character of this movie because she's doing

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Speaker 1: mma fighting at the White House, you know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 1: could this be a movie that takes place in our

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Speaker 1: reality where blood sport already exists, you know, and is

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Speaker 1: the favorite movie of Donald Trump? And then it's the

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Speaker 1: story of somebody who like manages to infiltrate those UFC

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Speaker 1: White House lawn fights and like st starts a revolution

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Speaker 1: or something. I'm just saying, that's that's a free pitch, Mikaela.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've got something way, way, way, way way

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Speaker 1: better than that.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know. But well, we'll stay tuned.

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Speaker 6: We don't know, but it's gonna be I can't imagine

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Speaker 6: he's gonna be bad. Yeah, let us know, give me

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Speaker 6: some more details. Yes, Ramsey, such a pleasure having you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a pleasure to be here. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for having me.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you, read you all

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Speaker 1: that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: People can find me at nerd from the Future on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: and my podcast is on anywhere you get your podcasts, Spotify, Apple.

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Speaker 2: I will have a new season of my podcast coming

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Speaker 2: out starting at Thursday, April ninth, and then people can

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Speaker 2: visit my website Ramseyfawas dot com all the information about

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Speaker 2: my work. And the last thing I want to plug

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Speaker 2: is I teach a little workshop at the Esslin Institute

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Speaker 2: every summer. I'll be doing it at the beginning of June.

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful it's the picture of my background is Esslin,

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Speaker 2: and it's like a consciousness expansion or retreat.

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Speaker 1: Such an incredible place, Amian Grove thing. It's like, oh related,

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Speaker 1: it's like near there, right, but it might be.

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Speaker 2: It's it's like off the it's like jutting off of

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Speaker 2: the edge of Big Sir, California, like right at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of Big Sir, a little bit below Carmel. It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: It's been around since nineteen sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It was part of the Human Potential movement. It's a

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Speaker 2: wellness retreat and tons of people from around the world

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Speaker 2: go there. So many people to teach and to learn.

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Speaker 2: And I'm teaching a little seminar called the Thrill of Groundlessness,

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Speaker 2: learning to flow through life without absolutes. So if you

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Speaker 2: want to let go of some things, hell yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: going to do that over five days. It'll be really

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Speaker 2: beautiful and you can find information about that on my website. Amazing.

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Speaker 1: Is there a work a media you've been enjoying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just watched the show Ponies on Peacock with

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Speaker 2: Haley Blu Richardson and Amelia Clark. They have to say,

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Speaker 2: it's really genius. It's all about the Cold War, which

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: is what I trained to be a Cold War cultural historian. Nice,

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01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: it's all about gender and it starts just being the

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Speaker 2: screwball comedy about these two women whose husbands are in

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Speaker 2: the CIA. They both die while they're in Russia, and

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Speaker 2: then they get recruited into the CIA. The two women

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01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: sort of like find out what happened to their husbands,

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Speaker 2: and by the time you did to episode four, there's

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Speaker 2: like a moment where you're like, oh, this is actually genius.

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01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: This is actually a really smart show about women in

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Speaker 2: the Cold War, about like them, it's all about their friendship,

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01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: it's all about like what it meant to navigate this

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Speaker 2: moment in American history as women, and they're just like

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Speaker 2: by the end, you're obsessed with them and you're like,

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Speaker 2: this is such a brilliantly crafted character study. So I

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Speaker 2: love that show. It really came out of nowhere because

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Speaker 2: I haven't been enjoying almost anything that I'm watching. And

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Speaker 2: I just saw it and I was like, wow, this

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Speaker 2: is like, I ate it up.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch Plurbus, by the way, that sounds awesome.

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Speaker 2: I know it's genius, and I have tried to watch

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Speaker 2: it five times. Oh really, you can get through it

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Speaker 2: five times? I cannot get through it. She's a gee

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Speaker 2: and listen, she's a genius. The show's genius. I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get the whole conceit. I get that it's about Ai.

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Speaker 2: I get that it's a critique of our society. He

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01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: builds shows around intensely unlikable characters. That's true, and I

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01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: already don't like so many people in this fucked up world.

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01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: I don't need to watch shows about people like that.

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01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 2: Like I don't need to watch Breaking Bad. I get

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: that it's genius. I don't need to watch you know, Dexter,

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01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: Like there's already enough fucked up people. I don't need

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Speaker 2: all the characters to be fun and lovable, but I

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01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: just I don't. She's insufferable. And like, I know, by

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01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 2: the end there's an arc, and I'm sure maybe one

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01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: day I'll get there, but I'm like, I just at

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Speaker 2: some point I just was like, I can't with this.

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Speaker 2: It's I Yeah, I hate to say, I feel so bad.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a bad media watcher. But I Severance,

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Speaker 2: to me is what Corbis couldn't be for me.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: To me, Severance does the critique, but it does it

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Speaker 2: in a way where I'm so invested in the characters

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Speaker 2: and I love them so much and I'm just totally fascinated.

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Speaker 2: I can't stop watching it. So yeah, so forgive me.

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Speaker 2: I know, blasphemy. No, I was gonna get it's people, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: I thought somebody was like, it's very avant garde and

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01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: like black Box theater, but like, I find it kind

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Speaker 1: of watchable even though she is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, intentionally, I just didn't.

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Speaker 4: Even like, Yeah, I wasn't even like it wasn't even

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01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 4: runn me the wrong way. It just didn't capture me.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what. And I wasn't even like

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01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: I was like, man, all right.

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Speaker 1: Miles, where can people find you? Is there a workimedia

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01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 4: Find me everywhere? At Miles of Gray. I'm talking about

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Speaker 4: ninety day Fiance over at four twenty day Fiance check

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Speaker 4: that pot out And also if you want to hear

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Speaker 4: me just scream about the English Premier League. I'm doing

1224
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Speaker 4: that on eight IT Footy with Jamel Johnson and Chris Martin.

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Speaker 4: A piece of media I like is from Instagram, This

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Speaker 4: video from Alex G.

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Speaker 2: Murdoch.

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Speaker 4: It says white women naming their cats and just these names.

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Speaker 4: They're spot on, cheat, mo chi, n.

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Speaker 2: Sushi, so sak.

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Speaker 4: So many Japan, so spot on.

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Speaker 1: My kids did name our dog one of those things. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it was their decision and I did left them.

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Speaker 2: It's so fucking them.

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Speaker 1: They would raise them. It's just their favorite ice cream

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01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: as Mochi ice cream. So that's that's where it came from.

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01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 4: But that I mean, like, look, it's everywhere Bro's.

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01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: It's undeniable. It's undeniable. I'm waiting for something, you know.

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01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 2: It's a really good name for an animal. My brother

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Speaker 2: and I are obsessed with the fact that we met

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Speaker 2: someone who named their dog party party. I think that's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: That is already good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: My grandparents their dog was called dog d Og.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, that's really fun. That was the dog.

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Speaker 4: Yeahog is like d o G, where's Ogg?

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Speaker 2: That was?

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Speaker 1: That's really cutef God, I'm so mad at my kids

1249
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: coming from name try harder, so I tell them every morning.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter, Jack Underscore O'Brien, on

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Speaker 1: Blue Sky, Jack ob one, and on Instagram Jack Underscore,

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Speaker 1: Oh Underscore, Briannence.

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Speaker 2: I know, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't even remember all my Just search Jack O'Brien

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Speaker 1: on there and you might be able to find me.

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Speaker 1: I liked Connor O'Malley's iris Zionism post another just crazy.

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Speaker 1: You know, we we've talked about pipe rock theory, we've

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Speaker 1: talked about slugs, everyone's everyone's a fucking idiot except me,

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Speaker 1: And now there's there's a new one called ira Zionism.

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Speaker 1: That is really people got to go back to Ireland.

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Speaker 1: All our people need to go back to Ireland. As

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Speaker 1: the premise it starts and then and then. Another tweet

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Speaker 1: I liked was from Rebecca Alter who said someone should

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Speaker 1: give Connor O'Malley twenty million dollars USD and yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 1: just let let him go go off king. You can

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Speaker 1: find us on Twitter and Blue at Daily's Eekeeist. Where

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: at the Daily Zekeist. On Instagram, you can go to

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Speaker 1: the description of this episode. Wherever you're listening to it

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01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: and they're at the bottom you will find the footnotes,

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Speaker 1: which is where we link off to the information that

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Speaker 1: we talked about in today's episode. We also link off

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Speaker 1: to a song that we think you might enjoy, Myles,

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Speaker 1: is there a song that you think the people might enjoy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a track called French Kiss. It's by

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Speaker 4: the producer Judgment G, who I think is like a

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Speaker 4: Russian FONK producer, and the rapper Shining Breeze, who I

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Speaker 4: believe is rapping in German.

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Speaker 2: But it's good. What's this? What's this?

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Speaker 4: Because I think that's what's fun about fonk, Like this

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01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 4: sort of like genre that's like, you know a lot

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01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 4: of people. It takes so much inspiration from Memphis rap,

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01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 4: like nineties Memphis rap, like early three six Mafia kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff. So everybody's flowing into way you're trying to

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Speaker 4: think it not like and but they do it in

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Speaker 4: German or Russian or whatever, and wow, so it's familiar

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01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 4: and like, I don't know what the fuck they're saying,

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01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 4: so forgive me if they're saying so wildly offensive shit.

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01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 4: But I don't speak German. But this is Wrench Gifts

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01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 4: by Judgment G. And Shining Breeze with two z's.

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Speaker 1: All right, we will link off to that in the footnote.

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Speaker 1: The Daily Ze is the production of iHeartRadio. For more

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast. Wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's

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Speaker 1: going to do it for us.

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Speaker 2: This week.

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Speaker 1: We've got a highlight reel of this week's episodes dropping

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Speaker 1: tomorrow the Weekly Zeitgeist, and then Monday morning we will

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Speaker 1: have the Iconograph where we are going to take a

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Speaker 1: deep dive into Bart Simpson.

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Speaker 2: The history of Bart Simpson. Very fun conversation, so.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to y'all. Then have a great weekend. Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Bye, so much, guys, so good to be with you.

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Speaker 4: The Daily zeit Guys is executive produced by Catherine Law.

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Speaker 2: Co produced by Bay Wayne, co produced by Victor Wright,

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Speaker 2: co written by Jam McNab, and edited and engineered by

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Speaker 2: Brian Jeffries